Isn't that why Deity made ballpeen hammers and '74 Lincoln Continentals (with extra-large trunks)? ;-)
"If all the world's a stage and all the people merely players, who in bloody hell hired the director?" -- Charles L Grant http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fQUxw9aUVik To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com From: hellomahog...@gmail.com Date: Fri, 19 Feb 2010 14:10:36 -0800 Subject: Re: [scifinoir2] Re: 'Heroes' Never Recovered From Its First Break The problem is that great scripts can be written but the people doing the decision making don't have the smarts to do anything with them. On Fri, Feb 19, 2010 at 1:59 PM, Martin Baxter <truthseeker...@hotmail.com> wrote: Mr Worf, once again you prove that we need to be doing the writing in H'Wood... "If all the world's a stage and all the people merely players, who in bloody hell hired the director?" -- Charles L Grant http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fQUxw9aUVik To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com From: hellomahog...@gmail.com Date: Fri, 19 Feb 2010 13:39:44 -0800 Subject: Re: [scifinoir2] Re: 'Heroes' Never Recovered From Its First Break Fast forward through the episodes. Many of them are useless and move the plot only incrementally. The Sylar/Peter thing bugs me although it was interesting. The Claire outing herself thing is the last couple of minutes of the last episode of the season. My question is what is the use of having people with superpowers and no one uses them? Everyone wants to "fit in." Peter could have quite literally made himself into Superman but they backed away from it. When the series started I thought that it was going to take the direction of being sort of a live action superhero universe where costume heroes come alive. Or at least show the beginnings of a world like that. On Fri, Feb 19, 2010 at 8:32 AM, angelababycat <asrobin...@mindspring.com> wrote: The last 5 eps are hogging space in my DVR, yet I can't bring myself to watch even when desperately surfing channels for something other than skiing or ghost hunting to watch. As I think someone else mentioned in a previous discussion, the carnival stuff killed it for me. I really do want to see the part about Clair outing herself, but how much more torture must I endure just to see that!?! Why does this keep happening to our shows? Angela --- In scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com, "Mr. Worf" <hellomahog...@...> wrote: > > I think that they just ran out of steam and didn't have a well thought out > story line that would last this long. They stopped doing all of the cool > things that attracted people to the show. It was as if they changed the > format of the show without really changing anything and it broke the show. > > Its like turning a comedy show into a drama. > > On Wed, Feb 17, 2010 at 2:01 AM, Tracey de Morsella < > tdli...@... wrote: > > > > > > > CANCEL â€" They destroyed the magic long ago. I do believe that the change > > in tone started in the middle of the first season, but I did like the whole > > first season. Thereafter with all the new characters introduced who were > > never developed by disappeared and all the story twists, I hung around out > > of loyalty from the first season for a while, hoping that the past glory > > would return, this season, I couldn’t muster up the energy to turn the > > channel or to watch it on Hulu. > > > > > > > > It jumped the shark long ago…. A fate worse than the series finale of > > Battlestar Gallactica. Who would have thought it possible. > > > > > > > > *From:* scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com [mailto:scifino...@yahoogroups.com] *On > > Behalf Of *Mr. Worf > > *Sent:* Wednesday, February 17, 2010 1:46 AM > > *To:* scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com > > *Subject:* Re: [scifinoir2] 'Heroes' Never Recovered From Its First Break > > > > > > > > > > > > At this point I think that the series has too many issues. They have turned > > Sylar into a repented "hero" with a dark past. Claire has outed herself to > > the world and now they run the risk of falling into that strange void of no > > where to go from here. > > > > They left a few holes in the plot that they never really explained. Its > > just a mess. Do they deserve a renewal? I dunno. > > > > On Wed, Feb 17, 2010 at 1:23 AM, Tracey de Morsella < > > tdli...@... wrote: > > > > > > 'Heroes' Never Recovered From Its First Break Series creator outlines his > > feelings on the evolution of NBC show on the bubble > > http://www.airlockalpha.com/node/7129 > > > > When you think of NBC's[image: > > http://images.intellitxt.com/ast/adTypes/2_bing.gif]<http://www.airlockalpha.com/node/7129>"Heroes," > > you can't help but think of a younger, less emotionally certain Peter > > Petrelli[image: > > http://images.intellitxt.com/ast/adTypes/2_bing.gif]<http://www.airlockalpha.com/node/7129>standing > > on the roof of a building with Mohinder's enigmatic narration on > > the nature of life's mysteries. > > > > Those were the good days. > > > > Now, the series has evolved to a point where it is barely recognizable from > > its debut season (both in terms of characters and pace), and the ratings > > have plummeted. Where did the series go wrong, if it indeed went wrong in > > the first place? > > > > Fans have their opinions and series creator Tim Kring has his own. > > > > However, to Kring, the series never fully recovered after its first break > > following the initial 11 episodes. "Fallout," the 11th episode of the > > series, originally premiered on Dec. 4, 2006, after which the series went on > > a festive vacation before returning to the screens on Jan. 22, 2007. > > > > "We took about four days off between Season 1 and 2 -- we never stopped > > writing," Kring told The AV Club. "Same directors, same actors, same > > everything. So when someone says they don’t like Season 2, it’s like, > > 'Well, > > that was yesterday.' We don’t have a sense that the seasons are divided by > > ideas or timeframes; it’s just this big long continuum." > > > > Kring said the first season can be divided into two places. Then "Heroes" > > took a seven-wrrk break, and the audience simply never came back. > > > > "The first 16 episodes was the part everybody talks about," he said. > > > > After that 16th episode, "Heroes" delved deeply into the mythology of the > > mysterious Company, and eventually built toward an explosion-filled season > > finale ... and that became a problem for the show. > > > > "The other thing is, you can only be shiny and new one time," Kring said. > > "Also in that first season, we probably should have done two volumes or > > three volumes, smaller stories. I think people would have gotten used to the > > fact that we tell a story in volumes that have a beginning, a middle, and an > > end. Because we didn’t, and we ended with sort of a finale, it felt like, > > 'Well, I guess that’s over.' > > > > "So how do you go back to saving the world again? In reality, that was an > > issue for me. I was very interested in the origin story of where these > > characters came from â€" that first blush of discovery. It’s the most fun > > to > > write, and ultimately it’s the most interesting for the audience." > > > > But Kring previously apologized for the direction that "Heroes" took in its > > second season, right? Wrong. According to Kring, his comments were taken out > > of context and although he may wish to do some things differently he claims > > he did not apologize for any creative decision the series has made. > > > > "No, I was standing on the picket line when Jeff Jensen [from *Entertainment > > Weekly* called me," he said. "And he said, 'Would you have done anything > > different?' Nobody had ever asked me that before. So I answered really > > honestly, 'There isn’t a day that goes by where I wouldn’t do 10,000 > > things > > differently.' People think you’re making some precise widget, some > > scientific little thing, but instead it’s filled with human error and > > guesswork. So I mentioned a few things, but they published it as I > > 'apologized to my audience.' I got sandbagged." > > > > Kring was also keen to discuss the change of pace in the fourth season of > > the series, specifically the elongation of character arcs. There have been > > instances this year where a pivotal piece in a character's back story is > > revealed only to be discarded for weeks until there is a time to revisit > > it.. This change hasn't been an accident, but instead an act of necessity > > due to the high number of characters that make up the series. > > > > "That’s a product of a few things," Kring said. "First of all, there are > > only so many storylines you can actually do. The first season, there were > > six or seven â€" little bit of this, little bit of that. The haiku type of > > storytelling was effective when characters had very separate storylines. My > > idea was for them to stay apart for as long as possible. The network wanted > > them to be together on the second episode, and we really fought that. Once > > characters start crossing, you can do fewer stories." > > > > The trick to making a show more cost-efficient is by telling fewer stories > > per episode, he said. "When you have a certain number of characters, you're > > facing a mathematical reality that not every character can be in every > > episode. So some have to sit out." > > > > There is still no word on whether or not "Heroes" will receive a pickup for > > another season -â€" or in any other format for that matter -â€" which means > > that > > if Season 4 is the last page-defying adventure, the show has ended without a > > proper conclusion. > > > > Krings's full interview can be found at The AV Club by clicking > > here<http://www.avclub.com/articles/tim-kring,37975/> > > . > > > > > > > > > > > > * > > > > E-mail message checked by Spyware Doctor (7.0.0.514) > > Database version: 6.14380 > > http://www.pctools.com/spyware-doctor-antivirus/<http://www.pctools.com/en/spyware-doctor-antivirus/> > > > > * > > > > > > > > > > -- > > Celebrating 10 years of bringing diversity to perversity! > > Mahogany at: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/mahogany_pleasures_of_darkness/ > > > > > > > > > > > > * > > > > E-mail message checked by Spyware Doctor (7.0.0.514) > > Database version: 6.14380 > > http://www.pctools.com/spyware-doctor-antivirus/<http://www.pctools.com/en/spyware-doctor-antivirus/> > > * > > > > > > * > > > > E-mail message checked by Spyware Doctor (7.0.0.514) > > Database version: 6.14380 > > http://www.pctools.com/spyware-doctor-antivirus/<http://www.pctools.com/en/spyware-doctor-antivirus/> > > * > > > > > > > > > > -- > Celebrating 10 years of bringing diversity to perversity! > Mahogany at: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/mahogany_pleasures_of_darkness/ > -- Celebrating 10 years of bringing diversity to perversity! 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