I watch ten minutes of the DVR'd episodes and delete it with no remorse.
________________________________ From: angelababycat <asrobin...@mindspring.com> To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com Sent: Fri, February 19, 2010 11:32:45 AM Subject: [scifinoir2] Re: 'Heroes' Never Recovered From Its First Break The last 5 eps are hogging space in my DVR, yet I can't bring myself to watch even when desperately surfing channels for something other than skiing or ghost hunting to watch. As I think someone else mentioned in a previous discussion, the carnival stuff killed it for me. I really do want to see the part about Clair outing herself, but how much more torture must I endure just to see that!?! Why does this keep happening to our shows? Angela --- In scifino...@yahoogro ups.com, "Mr. Worf" <HelloMahogany@ ...> wrote: > > I think that they just ran out of steam and didn't have a well thought out > story line that would last this long. They stopped doing all of the cool > things that attracted people to the show. It was as if they changed the > format of the show without really changing anything and it broke the show. > > Its like turning a comedy show into a drama. > > On Wed, Feb 17, 2010 at 2:01 AM, Tracey de Morsella < > tdli...@... wrote: > > > > > > > CANCEL â€" They destroyed the magic long ago. I do believe that the change > > in tone started in the middle of the first season, but I did like the whole > > first season. Thereafter with all the new characters introduced who were > > never developed by disappeared and all the story twists, I hung around out > > of loyalty from the first season for a while, hoping that the past glory > > would return, this season, I couldn’t muster up the energy to turn the > > channel or to watch it on Hulu. > > > > > > > > It jumped the shark long ago…. A fate worse than the series finale of > > Battlestar Gallactica. Who would have thought it possible. > > > > > > > > *From:* scifino...@yahoogro ups.com [mailto:scifinoir2@ yahoogroups. com] > > *On > > Behalf Of *Mr. Worf > > *Sent:* Wednesday, February 17, 2010 1:46 AM > > *To:* scifino...@yahoogro ups.com > > *Subject:* Re: [scifinoir2] 'Heroes' Never Recovered From Its First Break > > > > > > > > > > > > At this point I think that the series has too many issues. They have turned > > Sylar into a repented "hero" with a dark past. Claire has outed herself to > > the world and now they run the risk of falling into that strange void of no > > where to go from here. > > > > They left a few holes in the plot that they never really explained. Its > > just a mess. Do they deserve a renewal? I dunno. > > > > On Wed, Feb 17, 2010 at 1:23 AM, Tracey de Morsella < > > tdli...@... wrote: > > > > > > 'Heroes' Never Recovered From Its First Break Series creator outlines his > > feelings on the evolution of NBC show on the bubble > > http://www.airlocka lpha.com/ node/7129 > > > > When you think of NBC's[image: > > http://images. intellitxt. com/ast/adTypes/ 2_bing.gif]<http://www.airlocka > > lpha.com/ node/7129>"Heroes," you can't help but think of a younger, less > > emotionally certain Peter > > Petrelli[image: http://images. intellitxt. com/ast/adTypes/ > > 2_bing.gif]<http://www.airlocka lpha.com/ node/7129>standing on the roof of > > a building with Mohinder's enigmatic narration on > > the nature of life's mysteries. > > > > Those were the good days. > > > > Now, the series has evolved to a point where it is barely recognizable from > > its debut season (both in terms of characters and pace), and the ratings > > have plummeted. Where did the series go wrong, if it indeed went wrong in > > the first place? > > > > Fans have their opinions and series creator Tim Kring has his own. > > > > However, to Kring, the series never fully recovered after its first break > > following the initial 11 episodes. "Fallout," the 11th episode of the > > series, originally premiered on Dec. 4, 2006, after which the series went on > > a festive vacation before returning to the screens on Jan. 22, 2007. > > > > "We took about four days off between Season 1 and 2 -- we never stopped > > writing," Kring told The AV Club. "Same directors, same actors, same > > everything. So when someone says they don’t like Season 2, it’s like, > > 'Well, > > that was yesterday.' We don’t have a sense that the seasons are divided by > > ideas or timeframes; it’s just this big long continuum." > > > > Kring said the first season can be divided into two places. Then "Heroes" > > took a seven-wrrk break, and the audience simply never came back. > > > > "The first 16 episodes was the part everybody talks about," he said. > > > > After that 16th episode, "Heroes" delved deeply into the mythology of the > > mysterious Company, and eventually built toward an explosion-filled season > > finale ... and that became a problem for the show. > > > > "The other thing is, you can only be shiny and new one time," Kring said. > > "Also in that first season, we probably should have done two volumes or > > three volumes, smaller stories. I think people would have gotten used to the > > fact that we tell a story in volumes that have a beginning, a middle, and an > > end. Because we didn’t, and we ended with sort of a finale, it felt like, > > 'Well, I guess that’s over.' > > > > "So how do you go back to saving the world again? In reality, that was an > > issue for me. I was very interested in the origin story of where these > > characters came from â€" that first blush of discovery. It’s the most fun > > to > > write, and ultimately it’s the most interesting for the audience." > > > > But Kring previously apologized for the direction that "Heroes" took in its > > second season, right? Wrong. According to Kring, his comments were taken out > > of context and although he may wish to do some things differently he claims > > he did not apologize for any creative decision the series has made. > > > > "No, I was standing on the picket line when Jeff Jensen [from *Entertainment > > Weekly* called me," he said. "And he said, 'Would you have done anything > > different?' Nobody had ever asked me that before. So I answered really > > honestly, 'There isn’t a day that goes by where I wouldn’t do 10,000 > > things > > differently. ' People think you’re making some precise widget, some > > scientific little thing, but instead it’s filled with human error and > > guesswork. So I mentioned a few things, but they published it as I > > 'apologized to my audience.' I got sandbagged." > > > > Kring was also keen to discuss the change of pace in the fourth season of > > the series, specifically the elongation of character arcs. There have been > > instances this year where a pivotal piece in a character's back story is > > revealed only to be discarded for weeks until there is a time to revisit > > it.. This change hasn't been an accident, but instead an act of necessity > > due to the high number of characters that make up the series. > > > > "That’s a product of a few things," Kring said. "First of all, there are > > only so many storylines you can actually do. The first season, there were > > six or seven â€" little bit of this, little bit of that. The haiku type of > > storytelling was effective when characters had very separate storylines. My > > idea was for them to stay apart for as long as possible. The network wanted > > them to be together on the second episode, and we really fought that. Once > > characters start crossing, you can do fewer stories." > > > > The trick to making a show more cost-efficient is by telling fewer stories > > per episode, he said. "When you have a certain number of characters, you're > > facing a mathematical reality that not every character can be in every > > episode. So some have to sit out." > > > > There is still no word on whether or not "Heroes" will receive a pickup for > > another season -â€" or in any other format for that matter -â€" which means > > that > > if Season 4 is the last page-defying adventure, the show has ended without a > > proper conclusion. > > > > Krings's full interview can be found at The AV Club by clicking > > here<http://www.avclub. com/articles/ tim-kring, 37975/> > > . > > > > > > > > > > > > * > > > > E-mail message checked by Spyware Doctor (7.0.0.514) > > Database version: 6.14380 > > http://www.pctools. com/spyware- doctor-antivirus /<http://www.pctools. > > com/en/spyware- doctor-antivirus /> > > > > * > > > > > > > > > > -- > > Celebrating 10 years of bringing diversity to perversity! > > Mahogany at: http://groups. yahoo.com/ group/mahogany_ pleasures_ > > of_darkness/ > > > > > > > > > > > > * > > > > E-mail message checked by Spyware Doctor (7.0.0.514) > > Database version: 6.14380 > > http://www.pctools. com/spyware- doctor-antivirus /<http://www.pctools. > > com/en/spyware- doctor-antivirus /> > > * > > > > > > * > > > > E-mail message checked by Spyware Doctor (7.0.0.514) > > Database version: 6.14380 > > http://www.pctools. com/spyware- doctor-antivirus /<http://www.pctools. > > com/en/spyware- doctor-antivirus /> > > * > > > > > > > > > > -- > Celebrating 10 years of bringing diversity to perversity! > Mahogany at: http://groups. yahoo.com/ group/mahogany_ pleasures_ of_darkness/ >
