just a few on fedora. i like the eye candy (i know, i feel ashamed) but i
tried loading blackbox on it, using the redhat 9.0 RPM, it loaded, but it is
not listed on th GDM screen as an option. i have read a few others having
nightmares loading other common apps such as gaim....

what about mandrake? is it stable enough for a production desktop
workstation?
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From: "Mike Schieuer" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Thursday, December 11, 2003 2:29 PM
Subject: Re: [sclug-generallist] BSD


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Has anyone gotten any hard facts on Fedorra?  I just downloaded the iso's
and
am planning on putting it into production.  I know Ted stated that he'd read
a few things.  But a ton of people look to be jumping off the Red Hat boat
because of change...  I guess I have a hard time believing that it's that
unstable.  Most of the actual functions of the OS aren't Red Hat specific.
So are people saying that some of the GNU code is unstable in the OS???
From
a business stand point we've been down the road of commercial unix and
hopefully that's not a road I have to see again for a REALLY long time.  Any
vendor supported linux might as well be a SCO or Digital or HP.  In
responses
to Jason's post, all distros are supported...  Maybe not by one company with
a 24x7 tech support line.  But all the distros seem to keep current.  If
your
looking for that 800 number to call on a Friday night at 7:30 a commercially
boxed OS is going to be your only solution from a business perspective.  And
when you look at that pricing and support packages, I'd be willing to bet
the
ol Red Hat doesn't look to bad.  And that doesn't even get into the hardware
aspect of commercial unix.

I guess I'm looking for more facts about what is wrong with Fedorra.


Mike



On Thursday 11 December 2003 11:56, Jason Newman wrote:
> What is your preference for Linux? Due to Redhat's licensing changes we
are
> currently seeking a Linux OS that is supported and continuing to monitor
> it's security. Redhat seems to be winning the race with the downfall of
the
> price. Thoughts?
>
> Jason
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Ryan T. Patterson [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Sent: Thursday, December 11, 2003 9:20 AM
> To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Subject: Re: [sclug-generallist] BSD
>
>
> OpenBSD is often making the bleeding edge security-based goodness
> available quickly.  Their packet filter, pf, rivals many of the
> commercially available firewall solutions. The OS is always undergoing
> audits to ensure its as secure as it can be.  The OpenBSD folks also
> reject applications that aren't "free" enough license-wise.
>
> I've used *BSDs for ages it seems that OpenBSD just keeps winning in my
> eyes.  I have oodles of OpenBSD boxes on a variety of hardware
> platforms.  I also have a couple hundred Linux-based systems and a
> compliment of FreeBSD boxes.
>
> I stick to *BSDs because they just work when and where I need them to.
>
> --Ryan
>
> On Wed, Dec 10, 2003 at 08:58:44PM -0600, Aaron Sloan wrote:
> > Just like many of the open source projects, there is a plentiful source
> > of documentation.  www.freebsd.org
> > You can also join the freebsd list serve for newbies, which is very
> > busy.
> > http://www.freebsd.org/search/search.html#mailinglists
> > Please search the mailing list archives first from above. Almost every
> > question has been asked and answered. However, some answers just leave
> > you with more questions.... but use the information they give you and do
> > some more searching.  If you don't like a challenge, freebsd or *BSD is
> > not for you.
> > That is what makes it fun for myself. The nuts and bolts of how it is
> > compiled, run, and the options, oh the options.. hours of good clean
> > fun.
> > If I wanted it to just start up and run, I'd run one of those fancy
> > installers in linux or, god forbid, M$.
> > OpenBSD is doing some advanced things in security.
> > http://www.deadly.org/
> > The stuff that gets me up in the morning.
> >
> > Good morning,
> > Aaron
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