Hi, I'm thinking about doing this, so if anyone is really interested, lets talk and see what happens. I've got a lot of code that would mean we could talk directly to dns, and we may even be able to make some lower versions work. Cheers San.
-----Original Message----- From: Scripting [mailto:scripting-bounces+sean.farrow=seanfarrow.co...@lists.window-eyes.com] On Behalf Of Chip Orange via Scripting Sent: 04 March 2015 23:27 To: 'Dave Bahr'; 'Window-Eyes Scripting List' Cc: Window-Eyes App Discussion List Subject: RE: need help need to use Window-Eyes with Dragon Naturally speaking home addision please read Thanks sooo very much Dave for all that info! (this is definitely a keeper). No real argument about buy DNS/pro (it's much much better supported; there is no support for the MS speech product). However, this forces you into a different screen reader (which you may not like), and a diferent company with different support policies (which you may really not like); so, if you're going to spend money, how about buying DNS/pro and then paying a scripter to make it work with Window-Eyes for you? If you have a little extra money Jim, turn your hiring of a scripter into a salable product, and make your money back! I don't know how much extra you'd have to pay someone beyond what they'd need to do just for you, but if it's affordable, or if you can create some deal where there's profit sharing instead of billable hours, then you've turned a need and a problem for you into a business to keep you employed. So, there's suddenly a lot here worth thinking about. Chip -----Original Message----- From: Dave Bahr [mailto:[email protected]] Sent: Wednesday, March 04, 2015 8:51 AM To: Chip Orange; Window-Eyes Scripting List Subject: Re: need help need to use Window-Eyes with Dragon Naturally speaking home addision please read all, just saw your message. Just my opinion, if you're going to pay a scriptor to do that work for WSR, might as well spend the money and get dns pro. It works on a modified version of vb script so if you know vb, theoretically you could just learn the different commands. Chip just as a fyi, vocola does work with dragon but uses a python -based language which I think utilizes the gdk framework which isn't accessible with window-eyes. I do agree though that a few people making some money off of scripting would help, if only because it takes a lot of work, chip's word advanced features app is a great example, I don't know what I did without it, honestly. Also, there is a product that interacts with dragon natspeak called knowbrainer, k n o w brainer, that has a simplified scripting language to make it easier to program dns to do what you want. I know the developers on that one and it's pretty accessible thanks to my feedback and a lot of beta testing. They also offer the product free to anyone who has a physical disability. So that's an option as well. www.knowbrainer.com is the site with a very active and friendly user forum as well. hth, On 3/3/2015 6:39 PM, Chip Orange via Scripting wrote: > Hi Dennis, > > I think you and Dave are talking about different scripts. > > The DNS pro version allows you to write scripts for it, using it's own > language. The windows speech recognition utility, which is available > in Windows vista and later for free as a part of Windows, also has > this same scripting ability, and it is free. So, if money is a > problem, you could try > whatever you have in mind using WSR (by installing the separate macros > utility for it called WSRMacros). You must download WSRMacros from > MS, it is not built into Windows as the speech recognition is. > > I do have an app named WSR which is meant to show someone the basic > idea as > to how you would combine scripts for Window-Eyes, with scripts for the > speech recognition, to make a hands-free system for a blind person > which will respond to Window-eyes specific commands (which is what a > blind voice user needs; you need to be able to tell it to read the > line, or the window, > or other things Window-Eyes does for you, and the only way to do so is > to use its scripting language, not the one which comes with the screen reader). > > This is why Dave is bringing up the DNS/pro issue; it would make this > task for Dragon much easier if you could script both it and the screen reader. > However, since DNS/pro costs so much, if I were someone who had the > time to > script it, I'd try with the free WSR first just to see what it was like. > > In either case, I believe a scripter could sell his scripting product which > turns Windows into a speaking and listening platform for a blind user > who uses Window-Eyes. > > I offer my WSR app, as it is, for free (all rights making it freeware) > to anyone who wants to start by using it. My only reservation is that > I am sorry, but I don't have a lot of time to help someone do this. > > Here is the outline of what I believe needs to be done however, in > case anyone wants to work with WSR: > * get my WSR app. I have added a copy of the WSRMacros installer to > my app, > and so if my app fails, you just install the WSRMacros.msi which comes with > the app (at the moment it's having an issue launching the installer > for some > people, it may be a 64-bit issue). > * read about and learn WSR; separately, read about and learn the WSR > macro language. join the yahoo groups email list for MS-speech. They > have a lot of experts on WSR, and they have a download for tons of > very sophisticated speech macros which let you give your pc > unbelievably vague commands, and it > figures out what you mean, and speaks any answer you need. > * Investigate a free open source WSRMacros add-on package named Vocola > (I never had time to look into it; it's supposed to expand the > scripting capabilities of WSR). > * You may want to purchase a utility for yourself named something like > the WSR toolkit (or perhaps the WSRMacros toolkit). This writes > macros automatically for you, using a wizard UI, and may help you in > developing the > macros you need. I believe it offers some tutorials as well on macros. > * Define all the Window-Eyes verbal commands a blind user would need, using > the WSR macros and/or Vocola. These utiltimately will need to cause > Window-Eyes to do something, so look at the macro examples with my WSR > app to see how that's done. > * Fill out (I mean finish writing) the WSR app so it speaks any > inaccessible dialogs displayed by WSR (it does speak a few, but > there's more > work to be done). > * Decide if this is donated work or if you want to sell it; if you > want to sell it, learn to use the WESign app from AI so that you can > properly tie a > licensed copy of your app to a particular copy of Window-Eyes. It's > my belief that seeing a few people making money by writing WE apps, is > what is > needed to really make WE take off, so all you people who want > everything free, Please be understanding about the need for this and > for having to pay for someone's work. > > I will copy this to the scripting list, and Jim, if you really want > this, you may want to consider hiring a scripter from this list and > paying them to > develop this for you. The only other way for you to get a voice > operated pc > which talks back to you is for you to buy jaws, then buy DNS/pro, and > then buy the J-say (or whatever they are called) macros to make DNS > speak. You are looking at many thousands of dollars, so it may be > well worth it to pay > a scripter to develop for you. > > Hth, > > Chip > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Apps [mailto:[email protected]] > On Behalf Of Dennis via Apps > Sent: Sunday, February 15, 2015 10:22 PM > To: Dave Bahr; Window-Eyes App Discussion List; K4NKZ JIM > Subject: Re: need help need to use Window-Eyes with Dragon Naturally > speaking home addision please read > > Dave why would DNS pro be better? Why can Scripts be made for this > and not the home addition? Just curious. > > On 2/15/2015 6:04 PM, Dave Bahr via Apps wrote: >> You'd be better getting dns pro, honestly. You can then make scripts >> for dragon to do what you need. >> On 2/14/2015 7:46 AM, K4NKZ JIM via Apps wrote: >>> hi, let me tell you whats up! >>> 1, I can do any keybord commands needed to run my computer! so I >>> don't need voice input to control the computer. that is why I don't >>> need Dragon Naturally speaking pro. >>> >>> 2, I have disslexeya! so I am a bad speller! so bad that the spell >>> checkers in programs like word, outlook, and thunderbird, don't know >>> what I am trying to spell! >>> 3, new to Window-Eyes, so I do not know how to write, make, or use aps! >>> 4, Window-Eyes tec subport said that I should go to jaws if I wanted >>> to useDragon Naturally speaking! but I am trying to get away from jaws! >>> 5, so I need to use Dragon Naturally speaking home addision. >>> 6, when traning Dragon, I need an ap with a hot key that will start >>> looking from the top of the screen down for print of 1 color with >>> the back ground of an nother color, like plack on light-blue. then >>> it would read the next 3 to 5 words. to tell me what to read. >>> 7, when dictateing, I need a ap that will read what I am dictateing >>> back to me, a santence at a time. >>> >>> >> _______________________________________________ >> Any views or opinions presented in this email are solely those of the >> author and do not necessarily represent those of Ai Squared. >> >> For membership options, visit >> > http://lists.window-eyes.com/options.cgi/apps-window-eyes.com/dennisl1982%40 > gmail.com. >> For subscription options, visit >> http://lists.window-eyes.com/listinfo.cgi/apps-window-eyes.com >> List archives can be found at >> http://lists.window-eyes.com/private.cgi/apps-window-eyes.com >> > _______________________________________________ > Any views or opinions presented in this email are solely those of the author > and do not necessarily represent those of Ai Squared. > > For membership options, visit > http://lists.window-eyes.com/options.cgi/apps-window-eyes.com/lists3717%40co > mcast.net. > For subscription options, visit > http://lists.window-eyes.com/listinfo.cgi/apps-window-eyes.com > List archives can be found at > http://lists.window-eyes.com/private.cgi/apps-window-eyes.com > > _______________________________________________ > Any views or opinions presented in this email are solely those of the author and do not necessarily represent those of Ai Squared. > > For membership options, visit http://lists.window-eyes.com/options.cgi/scripting-window-eyes.com/dcbahr1%4 0gmail.com. > For subscription options, visit http://lists.window-eyes.com/listinfo.cgi/scripting-window-eyes.com > List archives can be found at http://lists.window-eyes.com/private.cgi/scripting-window-eyes.com _______________________________________________ Any views or opinions presented in this email are solely those of the author and do not necessarily represent those of Ai Squared. 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