I have the book on DNS scripting, but I have not looked at it. If there is the possibility of some financial return (however minor) I would be interested in helping during my spare time.
Jonathn > On Mar 5, 2015, at 20:38, Dennis via Scripting > <[email protected]> wrote: > > this would be interesting. > > On 3/5/2015 8:33 PM, Sean Farrow via Scripting wrote: >> Hi, >> >> I'm thinking about doing this, so if anyone is really interested, lets talk >> and see what happens. >> I've got a lot of code that would mean we could talk directly to dns, and we >> may even be able to make some lower versions work. >> Cheers >> San. >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: Scripting >> [mailto:scripting-bounces+sean.farrow=seanfarrow.co...@lists.window-eyes.com] >> On Behalf Of Chip Orange via Scripting >> Sent: 04 March 2015 23:27 >> To: 'Dave Bahr'; 'Window-Eyes Scripting List' >> Cc: Window-Eyes App Discussion List >> Subject: RE: need help need to use Window-Eyes with Dragon Naturally >> speaking home addision please read >> >> Thanks sooo very much Dave for all that info! (this is definitely a >> keeper). >> >> No real argument about buy DNS/pro (it's much much better supported; there >> is no support for the MS speech product). >> >> However, this forces you into a different screen reader (which you may not >> like), and a diferent company with different support policies (which you may >> really not like); so, if you're going to spend money, how about buying >> DNS/pro and then paying a scripter to make it work with Window-Eyes for you? >> >> If you have a little extra money Jim, turn your hiring of a scripter into a >> salable product, and make your money back! I don't know how much extra >> you'd have to pay someone beyond what they'd need to do just for you, but if >> it's affordable, or if you can create some deal where there's profit sharing >> instead of billable hours, then you've turned a need and a problem for you >> into a business to keep you employed. >> >> So, there's suddenly a lot here worth thinking about. >> >> Chip >> >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: Dave Bahr [mailto:[email protected]] >> Sent: Wednesday, March 04, 2015 8:51 AM >> To: Chip Orange; Window-Eyes Scripting List >> Subject: Re: need help need to use Window-Eyes with Dragon Naturally >> speaking home addision please read >> >> all, >> >> just saw your message. Just my opinion, if you're going to pay a scriptor to >> do that work for WSR, might as well spend the money and get dns pro. It >> works on a modified version of vb script so if you know vb, theoretically >> you could just learn the different commands. Chip just as a fyi, vocola does >> work with dragon but uses a python -based language which I think utilizes >> the gdk framework which isn't accessible with window-eyes. I do agree though >> that a few people making some money off of scripting would help, if only >> because it takes a lot of work, chip's word advanced features app is a great >> example, I don't know what I did without it, honestly. >> >> Also, there is a product that interacts with dragon natspeak called >> knowbrainer, k n o w brainer, that has a simplified scripting language to >> make it easier to program dns to do what you want. I know the developers on >> that one and it's pretty accessible thanks to my feedback and a lot of beta >> testing. They also offer the product free to anyone who has a physical >> disability. So that's an option as well. >> www.knowbrainer.com is the site with a very active and friendly user forum >> as well. hth, >> >> On 3/3/2015 6:39 PM, Chip Orange via Scripting wrote: >>> Hi Dennis, >>> >>> I think you and Dave are talking about different scripts. >>> >>> The DNS pro version allows you to write scripts for it, using it's own >>> language. The windows speech recognition utility, which is available >>> in Windows vista and later for free as a part of Windows, also has >>> this same scripting ability, and it is free. So, if money is a >>> problem, you could >> try >>> whatever you have in mind using WSR (by installing the separate macros >>> utility for it called WSRMacros). You must download WSRMacros from >>> MS, it is not built into Windows as the speech recognition is. >>> >>> I do have an app named WSR which is meant to show someone the basic >>> idea >> as >>> to how you would combine scripts for Window-Eyes, with scripts for the >>> speech recognition, to make a hands-free system for a blind person >>> which will respond to Window-eyes specific commands (which is what a >>> blind voice user needs; you need to be able to tell it to read the >>> line, or the >> window, >>> or other things Window-Eyes does for you, and the only way to do so is >>> to use its scripting language, not the one which comes with the screen >> reader). >>> >>> This is why Dave is bringing up the DNS/pro issue; it would make this >>> task for Dragon much easier if you could script both it and the screen >>> reader. >>> However, since DNS/pro costs so much, if I were someone who had the >>> time >> to >>> script it, I'd try with the free WSR first just to see what it was like. >>> >>> In either case, I believe a scripter could sell his scripting product >> which >>> turns Windows into a speaking and listening platform for a blind user >>> who uses Window-Eyes. >>> >>> I offer my WSR app, as it is, for free (all rights making it freeware) >>> to anyone who wants to start by using it. My only reservation is that >>> I am sorry, but I don't have a lot of time to help someone do this. >>> >>> Here is the outline of what I believe needs to be done however, in >>> case anyone wants to work with WSR: >>> * get my WSR app. I have added a copy of the WSRMacros installer to >>> my >> app, >>> and so if my app fails, you just install the WSRMacros.msi which comes >> with >>> the app (at the moment it's having an issue launching the installer >>> for >> some >>> people, it may be a 64-bit issue). >>> * read about and learn WSR; separately, read about and learn the WSR >>> macro language. join the yahoo groups email list for MS-speech. They >>> have a lot of experts on WSR, and they have a download for tons of >>> very sophisticated speech macros which let you give your pc >>> unbelievably vague commands, and >> it >>> figures out what you mean, and speaks any answer you need. >>> * Investigate a free open source WSRMacros add-on package named Vocola >>> (I never had time to look into it; it's supposed to expand the >>> scripting capabilities of WSR). >>> * You may want to purchase a utility for yourself named something like >>> the WSR toolkit (or perhaps the WSRMacros toolkit). This writes >>> macros automatically for you, using a wizard UI, and may help you in >>> developing >> the >>> macros you need. I believe it offers some tutorials as well on macros. >>> * Define all the Window-Eyes verbal commands a blind user would need, >> using >>> the WSR macros and/or Vocola. These utiltimately will need to cause >>> Window-Eyes to do something, so look at the macro examples with my WSR >>> app to see how that's done. >>> * Fill out (I mean finish writing) the WSR app so it speaks any >>> inaccessible dialogs displayed by WSR (it does speak a few, but >>> there's >> more >>> work to be done). >>> * Decide if this is donated work or if you want to sell it; if you >>> want to sell it, learn to use the WESign app from AI so that you can >>> properly tie >> a >>> licensed copy of your app to a particular copy of Window-Eyes. It's >>> my belief that seeing a few people making money by writing WE apps, is >>> what >> is >>> needed to really make WE take off, so all you people who want >>> everything free, Please be understanding about the need for this and >>> for having to pay for someone's work. >>> >>> I will copy this to the scripting list, and Jim, if you really want >>> this, you may want to consider hiring a scripter from this list and >>> paying them >> to >>> develop this for you. The only other way for you to get a voice >>> operated >> pc >>> which talks back to you is for you to buy jaws, then buy DNS/pro, and >>> then buy the J-say (or whatever they are called) macros to make DNS >>> speak. You are looking at many thousands of dollars, so it may be >>> well worth it to >> pay >>> a scripter to develop for you. >>> >>> Hth, >>> >>> Chip >>> >>> >>> -----Original Message----- >>> From: Apps >> [mailto:[email protected]] >>> On Behalf Of Dennis via Apps >>> Sent: Sunday, February 15, 2015 10:22 PM >>> To: Dave Bahr; Window-Eyes App Discussion List; K4NKZ JIM >>> Subject: Re: need help need to use Window-Eyes with Dragon Naturally >>> speaking home addision please read >>> >>> Dave why would DNS pro be better? Why can Scripts be made for this >>> and not the home addition? Just curious. >>> >>> On 2/15/2015 6:04 PM, Dave Bahr via Apps wrote: >>>> You'd be better getting dns pro, honestly. You can then make scripts >>>> for dragon to do what you need. >>>> On 2/14/2015 7:46 AM, K4NKZ JIM via Apps wrote: >>>>> hi, let me tell you whats up! >>>>> 1, I can do any keybord commands needed to run my computer! so I >>>>> don't need voice input to control the computer. that is why I don't >>>>> need Dragon Naturally speaking pro. >>>>> >>>>> 2, I have disslexeya! so I am a bad speller! so bad that the spell >>>>> checkers in programs like word, outlook, and thunderbird, don't know >>>>> what I am trying to spell! >>>>> 3, new to Window-Eyes, so I do not know how to write, make, or use aps! >>>>> 4, Window-Eyes tec subport said that I should go to jaws if I wanted >>>>> to useDragon Naturally speaking! but I am trying to get away from jaws! >>>>> 5, so I need to use Dragon Naturally speaking home addision. >>>>> 6, when traning Dragon, I need an ap with a hot key that will start >>>>> looking from the top of the screen down for print of 1 color with >>>>> the back ground of an nother color, like plack on light-blue. then >>>>> it would read the next 3 to 5 words. to tell me what to read. >>>>> 7, when dictateing, I need a ap that will read what I am dictateing >>>>> back to me, a santence at a time. >>>>> >>>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> Any views or opinions presented in this email are solely those of the >>>> author and do not necessarily represent those of Ai Squared. >>>> >>>> For membership options, visit >>>> >>> >> http://lists.window-eyes.com/options.cgi/apps-window-eyes.com/dennisl1982%40 >>> gmail.com. >>>> For subscription options, visit >>>> http://lists.window-eyes.com/listinfo.cgi/apps-window-eyes.com >>>> List archives can be found at >>>> http://lists.window-eyes.com/private.cgi/apps-window-eyes.com >>>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> Any views or opinions presented in this email are solely those of the >> author >>> and do not necessarily represent those of Ai Squared. >>> >>> For membership options, visit >>> >> http://lists.window-eyes.com/options.cgi/apps-window-eyes.com/lists3717%40co >>> mcast.net. >>> For subscription options, visit >>> http://lists.window-eyes.com/listinfo.cgi/apps-window-eyes.com >>> List archives can be found at >>> http://lists.window-eyes.com/private.cgi/apps-window-eyes.com >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> Any views or opinions presented in this email are solely those of the >> author and do not necessarily represent those of Ai Squared. >>> >>> For membership options, visit >> http://lists.window-eyes.com/options.cgi/scripting-window-eyes.com/dcbahr1%4 >> 0gmail.com. >>> For subscription options, visit >> http://lists.window-eyes.com/listinfo.cgi/scripting-window-eyes.com >>> List archives can be found at >> http://lists.window-eyes.com/private.cgi/scripting-window-eyes.com >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Any views or opinions presented in this email are solely those of the author >> and do not necessarily represent those of Ai Squared. >> >> For membership options, visit >> http://lists.window-eyes.com/options.cgi/scripting-window-eyes.com/sean.farrow%40seanfarrow.co.uk. >> For subscription options, visit >> http://lists.window-eyes.com/listinfo.cgi/scripting-window-eyes.com >> List archives can be found at >> http://lists.window-eyes.com/private.cgi/scripting-window-eyes.com >> _______________________________________________ >> Any views or opinions presented in this email are solely those of the author >> and do not necessarily represent those of Ai Squared. >> >> For membership options, visit >> http://lists.window-eyes.com/options.cgi/scripting-window-eyes.com/dennisl1982%40gmail.com. >> For subscription options, visit >> http://lists.window-eyes.com/listinfo.cgi/scripting-window-eyes.com >> List archives can be found at >> http://lists.window-eyes.com/private.cgi/scripting-window-eyes.com >> > _______________________________________________ > Any views or opinions presented in this email are solely those of the author > and do not necessarily represent those of Ai Squared. > > For membership options, visit > http://lists.window-eyes.com/options.cgi/scripting-window-eyes.com/jon.c.cohn%40gmail.com. > For subscription options, visit > http://lists.window-eyes.com/listinfo.cgi/scripting-window-eyes.com > List archives can be found at > http://lists.window-eyes.com/private.cgi/scripting-window-eyes.com _______________________________________________ Any views or opinions presented in this email are solely those of the author and do not necessarily represent those of Ai Squared. 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