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From: Scripting
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m] On Behalf Of Doug Lee via Scripting
Sent: Tuesday, May 30, 2017 4:32 PM
To: Tom Kingston; Window-Eyes Scripting List
Subject: Re: migrating apps
Speaking as a professional JAWS scripter, I admit I'm surprised to
hear you needed 22 files for what sounds like a simple script.
Typically you would have these:
- A jss file, which compiles to a jsb file, for the code itself.
We'll count
that as two. You type your code into the jss file and the JAWS
Script Manager makes the jsb file when you compile it.
- A jsd file for the help text for the scripts. Handled
automatically by the JAWS Script Manager in many cases.
- A jkm file for key mappings. Handled automatically by the Script
Manager in many cases.
You may also include a jcf file for configuration options and/or a
jdf file for dictionary entries, though I doubt your script set for
Window-Eyes had the latter. If you want to name graphic icons, you
could use a jgf file.
Frames, though rarely used these days, would involve a jff and a jfd
file; but again, I doubt those would be involved in your project.
I'm still a ways from 22. :-)
On Tue, May 30, 2017 at 04:20:46PM -0400, Tom Kingston via Scripting
wrote:
JAWS scripting is a proprietary mish mash of this that the other and
his brother. So there's no such thing as real world resources such
as with Python.
I wrote the Window-Eyes script for Reaper and was then surprised to
find that the JAWS script was not locked up. So I downloaded it and
took a quick look. I couldn't believe that what I did in one small
VBS file, an XML file, a set file, and a we file required 22 files
to be done in JAWS.
Needless to say, I have no interest in learning a proprietary
scripting method. And I suspect it will probably seem nonsensical to
a real programmer's mind. But that's just speculation. It comes from
an experience years ago when a friend of mine wanted to learn JAWS
scripting. Knowing nothing about it I assumed that at least the
common denominators of virtually all programming languages would
apply. Boy was I wrong. My understanding is that it has become at
least somewhat more conventional. But unless all else fails it's not
a mess I wish to drown in.
Regards,
Tom
On 5/30/2017 10:54 AM, Dennis Long via Scripting wrote:
What about scripting for Jaws?
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om] On Behalf Of Jonathan Cohn via Scripting
Sent: Tuesday, May 30, 2017 10:53 AM
To: Chip Orange; Window-Eyes Scripting List
Subject: Re: migrating apps
Mr Lee of NVAccess / NVDA proposed on twitter yesterday having a
one day class on scripting NVDA. I guess it is time to learn Python.
Anybody interested in doing a set of regular discussions like Chip
did way back to migrate our common knowledge into NVDA scripting
knowledge? I wonder how difficult it would be to have an NVDA that
emulates the favorite parts of WindowEyes. I expect the hardest
part considering that NVDA doesn't appear to have a virtual mode
would be the User Windows functions but then it seems that
WindowEyes wasn't
supporting that very aggressively.
Best Wishes,
Jonathan Cohn
On Fri, May 26, 2017 at 7:01 PM Chip Orange via Scripting <
scripting@lists.window-eyes.com
<mailto:scripting@lists.window-eyes.com>> wrote:
Hi David,
You could look at the possibility of running your app as a Windows
VBScript rather than a Window-Eyes VBScript. You'd have to do
without the WE dialogs and all the other WE features of scripting
which we all used, but if you don't make use of these features
very much, you might be able to get a Windows VBScript version to run.
If you could, this would be the easiest way to get some apps
converted
away from WE.
VBScript does have some very basic input and output commands (you
can display a dialog and get a string response from the user),
this could possibly be enough for your needs. It has no
equivalents to MSAA or Windows etc., so nothing which assisted you
with accessibility is likely to run.
Of course, Window-Eyes will continue to run for some indefinite
amount of time ... and I'd be glad to share the source code to
Remind Me Where with anyone who'd like to try tinkering with it
while it
does.
If you wanted to keep something big like it is running, I would
guess learning VB.net <http://VB.net> might be the closest to what
you're used to.
Like Richard, I feel something like the end of Animal Farm as well.
Take care,
Chip
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Sent: Monday, May 15, 2017 11:49 AM
To: Aaron Smith; Window-Eyes Scripting List
Subject: migrating apps
I do understand that an app that has been developed under the
great scripting capability of WineEyes, will not be possible to
simply plug in under Jaws. At least, it is my understanding, that
Jaws has its own dedicated scripting system.
Still, a number of apps, both officially released and many that I
have developed for my personal usage, would be a great miss when
migrating.
Whenever the migrating will be. Smile.
Now, is there a way for me, to make my apps become stand-alone, in
the sense that they could be run under any screen reader? That
they still would be using features like the UI capabilities and
other functionality of for instance GWToolkit? I do understand,
that apps that make great usage of, or directly works with
internal features of WinEyes, may not be possible to run under any
other screen readers, since they won't have any functionality to
hook on to. But an app like for instance the "remind me where",
that Chip Orange developed, and which base its main functionality
on information from the net, and greatly on the UI environment of
WinEyes scripting, sould such a program be possible to make go
general? Sure I could have thought of a good number of other apps
that I have come to rely on, and which would have been great to see under other
screen readers.
Guess my basic question is, what would I need to do in my app
code, to make it possible to run outside the WinEyes environment,
if that is at all possible? And if realistic, does there exist any
sample code that I can look at, so as to see it done in practicality?
Thanks,
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