Developing it for both would be awesome. -----Original Message----- From: Scripting [mailto:scripting-bounces+dennisl1982=gmail....@lists.window-eyes.com] On Behalf Of Steve Nutt via Scripting Sent: Wednesday, May 31, 2017 3:35 AM To: 'Steve Nutt'; 'Window-Eyes Scripting List' Subject: RE: migrating apps
Come to think of it, even developing it for NVDA would be really cool. I have both. All the best Steve -----Original Message----- From: Scripting [mailto:scripting-bounces+steve=comproom.co...@lists.window-eyes.com] On Behalf Of Steve Nutt via Scripting Sent: 31 May 2017 08:34 To: 'Tom Kingston' <tom.kings...@charter.net>; 'Window-Eyes Scripting List' <scripting@lists.window-eyes.com> Subject: RE: migrating apps Hi Tom, I'd love for you to migrate your excellent Sound Forge script to JAWS. I realise what time it would take you to do it, but I'd certainly be your first donator or buyer if you sold it. All the best Steve -----Original Message----- From: Scripting [mailto:scripting-bounces+steve=comproom.co...@lists.window-eyes.com] On Behalf Of Tom Kingston via Scripting Sent: 31 May 2017 04:39 To: Window-Eyes Scripting List <scripting@lists.window-eyes.com> Subject: Re: migrating apps Thanks Marlon. Much appreciated. Regards, Tom On 5/30/2017 10:28 PM, Marlon Brandão de Sousa wrote: > Hi, > > The fact that the most comprehensive Guide is not easily found is been > addressed together with the authors. But here you go > https://github.com/nvdaaddons/DevGuide/wiki/NVDA-Add-on-Development-Gu > id > <https://github.com/nvdaaddons/DevGuide/wiki/NVDA-Add-on-Development-G > uide>e > > I recommend that you and all other listers who have interest in NVDA > scripting read this documentation and subscribe to the NVDA dev List > and send them your feedback. They are really looking for this kind of > input and they are really wiling to help new scripters! > Obrigado, > Marlon Brandão de Sousa > > Em 30 de mai de 2017, às 22:42, Doug Lee via Scripting > <scripting@lists.window-eyes.com > <mailto:scripting@lists.window-eyes.com>> escreveu: > >> I read your initial message as saying you would have to create 22 >> files for a JAWS script. The scripts to which you refer, which seem >> far more comprehensive just based on what I know of some of the files >> involved, incorporate code libraries to simplify app-specific tasks. >> The HSC and MSAA files in particular would appear to fit into this >> category. That is an indication of a specific scripter's choice of >> file organization but not an indication of what is required for JAWS >> scripting. :-) >> >> I hope this is helpful, and also that it is taken in the educational >> spirit in which it is intended. Any new environment can be >> frustrating, especially when one encounters it amid an urgent need to >> master it quickly. >> >> On Tue, May 30, 2017 at 06:39:39PM -0400, Tom Kingston via Scripting >> wrote: >> On 5/30/2017 4:38 PM, Dennis Long via Scripting wrote: >>> I agree it's far fewer than 22 files. >> >> Then count these files, which is what's included in the download. >> HSCRemoteServerFetch.jsb >> HSCRemoteServerFetch.jsd >> hsc_msaa.jsh >> msaa.jsh >> reaper.jbs >> reaper.jcf >> reaper.jkm >> reaper.jsb >> reaper.jsd >> reaper.jsm >> reaper.JSS >> reaper.sil >> reaper_host32.JCF >> reaper_host32.jsb >> reaper_host32.JSS >> reaper_host64.JCF >> reaper_host64.jsb >> reaper_host64.JSS >> snow_MSAA.jcf >> snow_MSAA.jsb >> snow_MSAA.jsd >> snow_MSAA.jss >> >>> >>> -----Original Message----- >>> From: Scripting >>> [mailto:scripting-bounces+dennisl1982=gmail....@lists.window-eyes.co >>> m] On Behalf Of Doug Lee via Scripting >>> Sent: Tuesday, May 30, 2017 4:32 PM >>> To: Tom Kingston; Window-Eyes Scripting List >>> Subject: Re: migrating apps >>> >>> Speaking as a professional JAWS scripter, I admit I'm surprised to >>> hear you needed 22 files for what sounds like a simple script. >>> Typically you would have these: >>> >>> - A jss file, which compiles to a jsb file, for the code itself. >>> We'll count >>> that as two. You type your code into the jss file and the JAWS >>> Script Manager makes the jsb file when you compile it. >>> - A jsd file for the help text for the scripts. Handled >>> automatically by the JAWS Script Manager in many cases. >>> - A jkm file for key mappings. Handled automatically by the Script >>> Manager in many cases. >>> >>> You may also include a jcf file for configuration options and/or a >>> jdf file for dictionary entries, though I doubt your script set for >>> Window-Eyes had the latter. If you want to name graphic icons, you >>> could use a jgf file. >>> Frames, though rarely used these days, would involve a jff and a jfd >>> file; but again, I doubt those would be involved in your project. >>> >>> I'm still a ways from 22. :-) >>> >>> On Tue, May 30, 2017 at 04:20:46PM -0400, Tom Kingston via Scripting >>> wrote: >>> JAWS scripting is a proprietary mish mash of this that the other and >>> his brother. So there's no such thing as real world resources such >>> as with Python. >>> I wrote the Window-Eyes script for Reaper and was then surprised to >>> find that the JAWS script was not locked up. So I downloaded it and >>> took a quick look. I couldn't believe that what I did in one small >>> VBS file, an XML file, a set file, and a we file required 22 files >>> to be done in JAWS. >>> Needless to say, I have no interest in learning a proprietary >>> scripting method. And I suspect it will probably seem nonsensical to >>> a real programmer's mind. But that's just speculation. It comes from >>> an experience years ago when a friend of mine wanted to learn JAWS >>> scripting. Knowing nothing about it I assumed that at least the >>> common denominators of virtually all programming languages would >>> apply. Boy was I wrong. My understanding is that it has become at >>> least somewhat more conventional. But unless all else fails it's not >>> a mess I wish to drown in. >>> Regards, >>> Tom >>> >>> >>> On 5/30/2017 10:54 AM, Dennis Long via Scripting wrote: >>>> What about scripting for Jaws? >>>> >>>> -----Original Message----- >>>> From: Scripting >>>> [mailto:scripting-bounces+dennisl1982=gmail.com@lists.window-eyes.c >>>> om] On Behalf Of Jonathan Cohn via Scripting >>>> Sent: Tuesday, May 30, 2017 10:53 AM >>>> To: Chip Orange; Window-Eyes Scripting List >>>> Subject: Re: migrating apps >>>> >>>> Mr Lee of NVAccess / NVDA proposed on twitter yesterday having a >>>> one day class on scripting NVDA. I guess it is time to learn Python. >>>> Anybody interested in doing a set of regular discussions like Chip >>>> did way back to migrate our common knowledge into NVDA scripting >>>> knowledge? I wonder how difficult it would be to have an NVDA that >>>> emulates the favorite parts of WindowEyes. I expect the hardest >>>> part considering that NVDA doesn't appear to have a virtual mode >>>> would be the User Windows functions but then it seems that >>>> WindowEyes wasn't >>> supporting that very aggressively. >>>> >>>> Best Wishes, >>>> >>>> Jonathan Cohn >>>> >>>> On Fri, May 26, 2017 at 7:01 PM Chip Orange via Scripting < >>>> scripting@lists.window-eyes.com >>>> <mailto:scripting@lists.window-eyes.com>> wrote: >>>> >>>>> Hi David, >>>>> >>>>> You could look at the possibility of running your app as a Windows >>>>> VBScript rather than a Window-Eyes VBScript. You'd have to do >>>>> without the WE dialogs and all the other WE features of scripting >>>>> which we all used, but if you don't make use of these features >>>>> very much, you might be able to get a Windows VBScript version to run. >>>>> If you could, this would be the easiest way to get some apps >>>>> converted >>> away from WE. >>>>> >>>>> VBScript does have some very basic input and output commands (you >>>>> can display a dialog and get a string response from the user), >>>>> this could possibly be enough for your needs. It has no >>>>> equivalents to MSAA or Windows etc., so nothing which assisted you >>>>> with accessibility is likely to run. >>>>> >>>>> Of course, Window-Eyes will continue to run for some indefinite >>>>> amount of time ... and I'd be glad to share the source code to >>>>> Remind Me Where with anyone who'd like to try tinkering with it >>>>> while it >>> does. >>>>> If you wanted to keep something big like it is running, I would >>>>> guess learning VB.net <http://VB.net> might be the closest to what >>>>> you're used to. >>>>> >>>>> Like Richard, I feel something like the end of Animal Farm as well. >>>>> >>>>> Take care, >>>>> >>>>> Chip >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> -----Original Message----- >>>>> From: Scripting >>>>> [mailto:scripting-bounces+lists3717=comcast.net@lists.window-eyes. >>>>> co >>>>> m] >>>>> On Behalf Of David via Scripting >>>>> Sent: Monday, May 15, 2017 11:49 AM >>>>> To: Aaron Smith; Window-Eyes Scripting List >>>>> Subject: migrating apps >>>>> >>>>> I do understand that an app that has been developed under the >>>>> great scripting capability of WineEyes, will not be possible to >>>>> simply plug in under Jaws. At least, it is my understanding, that >>>>> Jaws has its own dedicated scripting system. >>>>> >>>>> Still, a number of apps, both officially released and many that I >>>>> have developed for my personal usage, would be a great miss when >>> migrating. >>>>> Whenever the migrating will be. Smile. >>>>> >>>>> Now, is there a way for me, to make my apps become stand-alone, in >>>>> the sense that they could be run under any screen reader? That >>>>> they still would be using features like the UI capabilities and >>>>> other functionality of for instance GWToolkit? I do understand, >>>>> that apps that make great usage of, or directly works with >>>>> internal features of WinEyes, may not be possible to run under any >>>>> other screen readers, since they won't have any functionality to >>>>> hook on to. But an app like for instance the "remind me where", >>>>> that Chip Orange developed, and which base its main functionality >>>>> on information from the net, and greatly on the UI environment of >>>>> WinEyes scripting, sould such a program be possible to make go >>>>> general? Sure I could have thought of a good number of other apps >>>>> that I have come to rely on, and which would have been great to see under >>>>> other screen readers. >>>>> >>>>> Guess my basic question is, what would I need to do in my app >>>>> code, to make it possible to run outside the WinEyes environment, >>>>> if that is at all possible? 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