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From: Scripting
[mailto:scripting-bounces+dennisl1982=gmail....@lists.window-eyes.com] On
Behalf Of Doug Lee via Scripting
Sent: Tuesday, May 30, 2017 4:32 PM
To: Tom Kingston; Window-Eyes Scripting List
Subject: Re: migrating apps
Speaking as a professional JAWS scripter, I admit I'm surprised to
hear you
needed 22 files for what sounds like a simple script. Typically you would
have these:
- A jss file, which compiles to a jsb file, for the code itself.
We'll count
that as two. You type your code into the jss file and the JAWS Script
Manager makes the jsb file when you compile it.
- A jsd file for the help text for the scripts. Handled automatically
by the
JAWS Script Manager in many cases.
- A jkm file for key mappings. Handled automatically by the Script
Manager
in many cases.
You may also include a jcf file for configuration options and/or a
jdf file
for dictionary entries, though I doubt your script set for
Window-Eyes had
the latter. If you want to name graphic icons, you could use a jgf file.
Frames, though rarely used these days, would involve a jff and a jfd
file;
but again, I doubt those would be involved in your project.
I'm still a ways from 22. :-)
On Tue, May 30, 2017 at 04:20:46PM -0400, Tom Kingston via Scripting
wrote:
JAWS scripting is a proprietary mish mash of this that the other and his
brother. So there's no such thing as real world resources such as with
Python.
I wrote the Window-Eyes script for Reaper and was then surprised to find
that the JAWS script was not locked up. So I downloaded it and took a
quick
look. I couldn't believe that what I did in one small VBS file, an
XML file,
a set file, and a we file required 22 files to be done in JAWS.
Needless to say, I have no interest in learning a proprietary scripting
method. And I suspect it will probably seem nonsensical to a real
programmer's mind. But that's just speculation. It comes from an
experience
years ago when a friend of mine wanted to learn JAWS scripting. Knowing
nothing about it I assumed that at least the common denominators of
virtually all programming languages would apply. Boy was I wrong. My
understanding is that it has become at least somewhat more
conventional. But
unless all else fails it's not a mess I wish to drown in.
Regards,
Tom
On 5/30/2017 10:54 AM, Dennis Long via Scripting wrote:
What about scripting for Jaws?
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From: Scripting
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On Behalf Of Jonathan Cohn via Scripting
Sent: Tuesday, May 30, 2017 10:53 AM
To: Chip Orange; Window-Eyes Scripting List
Subject: Re: migrating apps
Mr Lee of NVAccess / NVDA proposed on twitter yesterday having a one
day class on scripting NVDA. I guess it is time to learn Python.
Anybody interested in doing a set of regular discussions like Chip did
way back to migrate our common knowledge into NVDA scripting
knowledge? I wonder how difficult it would be to have an NVDA that
emulates the favorite parts of WindowEyes. I expect the hardest part
considering that NVDA doesn't appear to have a virtual mode would be
the User Windows functions but then it seems that WindowEyes wasn't
supporting that very aggressively.
Best Wishes,
Jonathan Cohn
On Fri, May 26, 2017 at 7:01 PM Chip Orange via Scripting <
scripting@lists.window-eyes.com
<mailto:scripting@lists.window-eyes.com>> wrote:
Hi David,
You could look at the possibility of running your app as a Windows
VBScript rather than a Window-Eyes VBScript. You'd have to do
without the WE dialogs and all the other WE features of scripting
which we all used, but if you don't make use of these features very
much, you might be able to get a Windows VBScript version to run.
If you could, this would be the easiest way to get some apps converted
away from WE.
VBScript does have some very basic input and output commands (you
can display a dialog and get a string response from the user), this
could possibly be enough for your needs. It has no equivalents to
MSAA or Windows etc., so nothing which assisted you with
accessibility is likely to run.
Of course, Window-Eyes will continue to run for some indefinite
amount of time ... and I'd be glad to share the source code to
Remind Me Where with anyone who'd like to try tinkering with it
while it
does.
If you wanted to keep something big like it is running, I would
guess learning VB.net <http://VB.net> might be the closest to what
you're used to.
Like Richard, I feel something like the end of Animal Farm as well.
Take care,
Chip
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On Behalf Of David via Scripting
Sent: Monday, May 15, 2017 11:49 AM
To: Aaron Smith; Window-Eyes Scripting List
Subject: migrating apps
I do understand that an app that has been developed under the great
scripting capability of WineEyes, will not be possible to simply
plug in under Jaws. At least, it is my understanding, that Jaws has
its own dedicated scripting system.
Still, a number of apps, both officially released and many that I
have developed for my personal usage, would be a great miss when
migrating.
Whenever the migrating will be. Smile.
Now, is there a way for me, to make my apps become stand-alone, in
the sense that they could be run under any screen reader? That they
still would be using features like the UI capabilities and other
functionality of for instance GWToolkit? I do understand, that apps
that make great usage of, or directly works with internal features
of WinEyes, may not be possible to run under any other screen
readers, since they won't have any functionality to hook on to. But
an app like for instance the "remind me where", that Chip Orange
developed, and which base its main functionality on information from
the net, and greatly on the UI environment of WinEyes scripting,
sould such a program be possible to make go general? Sure I could
have thought of a good number of other apps that I have come to rely
on, and which would have been great to see under other screen readers.
Guess my basic question is, what would I need to do in my app code,
to make it possible to run outside the WinEyes environment, if that
is at all possible? And if realistic, does there exist any sample
code that I can look at, so as to see it done in practicality?
Thanks,
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