3 responses: matt: thank you for providing a much needed voice of reason. well, really only i needed it, so make that a personal thanks.
josh fox: i apologize for what i said. sdruby: i apologize for flipping out on our mailing list. i get really angry when businessmen use these ridiculous 'rockstar' and 'ninja' metaphors. i feel like it disrespects the craft and falsifies the potential utility of all of us, and discourages beginners. i try my best to be diplomatic. i won't forget the knee-jerk response i gave to josh in this thread. i have reflected on my anger, and i will try my best to hold myself to a higher standard of communication going forward. thanks. -n On Fri, Jun 14, 2013 at 6:20 AM, Matt Aimonetti <[email protected]>wrote: > wow... take it easy guys. Let's try to avoid personal attacks. > > > On Fri, Jun 14, 2013 at 11:57 AM, Neal Clark <[email protected]>wrote: > >> I apologize if I'm being opaque. >> >> I think you're full of shit. >> >> >> On Fri, Jun 14, 2013 at 2:47 AM, Neal Clark <[email protected]>wrote: >> >>> What specifically is your definition of "the extras"? >>> >>> please describe your experience as a software engineer, or ninja, or >>> ninja rockstar, or rockstar. >>> >>> where did you learn your licks or star-throwing abilities, and how long >>> did you use them? >>> >>> >>> On Fri, Jun 14, 2013 at 2:43 AM, Josh Fox <[email protected]> wrote: >>> >>>> Neal, thanks for taking the poll. >>>> >>>> The silly terminology was all tongue-in-cheek >>>> <330.gif> >>>> , and yes, I tried hard to keep it short-and-sweet. >>>> >>>> As for the ridiculous term "IT peasant" (I think I made that up): I >>>> actually think that quite a few top developers *don't* do the >>>> "extras." >>>> >>>> They focus on doing their jobs well, learn new skills and meet >>>> colleagues in the context of their jobs. But the relative proportion of >>>> each type is an interesting question that I'm trying to learn more about. >>>> >>>> Josh >>>> On Fri, Jun 14, 2013 at 12:30 PM, Neal Clark >>>> <[email protected]>wrote: >>>> >>>>> I took your idiotic, reductive, manager-fashion-word survey. I'm an >>>>> "IT Peasant," apparently. >>>>> >>>>> I guess I should publish more open source code. I should apparently >>>>> obsess over it, so as to gain the interest in know-nothings. >>>>> >>>>> for those who haven't taken the survey, the questionnaire places >>>>> all of us into 1 of 3 categories: >>>>> >>>>> 1. "Ninja Rockstar" >>>>> 2. "Rockstar" >>>>> 3. "IT Peasont" >>>>> >>>>> (vomit, on all three counts) >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> On Fri, Jun 14, 2013 at 2:08 AM, Josh Fox <**[email protected]** >>>>> ="mailto:[email protected]";>> wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> *> As a nice follow up, when you article is up can you ping the >>>>>> thread again?* >>>>>> >>>>>> Yup, I'll do that. >>>>>> >>>>>> Josh >>>>>> >>>>>> Writer: *Business >>>>>> Insider<http://blog.fiveyearitch.com/p/three-articles-fiveyearitch-business.html> >>>>>> /Brazen Careerist <http://blog.brazencareerist.com/author/joshfox/>* >>>>>> Founder, *FiveYearItch.com <http://fiveyearitch.com/>* >>>>>> >>>>>> On Thu, Jun 13, 2013 at 7:59 PM, Zach g <[email protected]> wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>>> As a nice follow up, when you article is up can you ping the >>>>>>> thread again? Would love to read the results. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> On Jun 13, 2013, at 3:00 AM, Josh Fox <[email protected]> wrote: >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Hi all, >>>>>>> >>>>>>> For an article I'm writing (for Brazen Careerist/Business Insider), >>>>>>> I'd like to ask: >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Do you do the ninja thing -- pardon the gawdawful expression* ☺* ? >>>>>>> >>>>>>> How common is it really to commit open-source code, rack up >>>>>>> StackOverflow karma, and continually learn new technologies? Or do >>>>>>> people >>>>>>> just "do their jobs"? >>>>>>> >>>>>>> I'm guessing that a small proportion of active bloggers gives us an >>>>>>> exaggerated sense of these things; or maybe it really is common. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> I put together a *quick three-question >>>>>>> poll*<http://blog.fiveyearitch.com/p/for-article-for-brazen.html>. >>>>>>> I made it to be fun to answer, and when you do it, you can see where you >>>>>>> stand. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Regards, >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Josh >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Writer: *Business >>>>>>> Insider<http://blog.fiveyearitch.com/p/three-articles-fiveyearitch-business.html> >>>>>>> /Brazen Careerist <http://blog.brazencareerist.com/author/joshfox/>* >>>>>>> Founder, *FiveYearItch.com <http://fiveyearitch.com/>* >>>>>>> >>>>>>> -- >>>>>> -- >>>>>> SD Ruby mailing list >>>>>> [email protected] >>>>>> http://groups.google.com/group/sdruby >>>>>> --- >>>>>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google >>>>>> Groups "SD Ruby" group. >>>>>> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, >>>>>> send an email to [email protected]. >>>>>> >>>>>> For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> -- >>>>> -- >>>>> SD Ruby mailing list >>>>> [email protected] >>>>> http://groups.google.com/group/sdruby >>>>> --- >>>>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google >>>>> Groups "SD Ruby" group. >>>>> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send >>>>> an email to [email protected]. >>>>> >>>>> For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> -- >>>> -- >>>> SD Ruby mailing list >>>> [email protected] >>>> http://groups.google.com/group/sdruby >>>> --- >>>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google >>>> Groups "SD Ruby" group. >>>> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send >>>> an email to [email protected]. >>>> For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. >>>> >>>> >>>> >>> >>> >> -- >> -- >> SD Ruby mailing list >> [email protected] >> http://groups.google.com/group/sdruby >> --- >> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups >> "SD Ruby" group. >> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an >> email to [email protected]. >> For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. >> >> >> > > -- > -- > SD Ruby mailing list > [email protected] > http://groups.google.com/group/sdruby > --- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "SD Ruby" group. > To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an > email to [email protected]. > For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. > > > -- -- SD Ruby mailing list [email protected] http://groups.google.com/group/sdruby --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "SD Ruby" group. 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