Thanks Neal, I really appreciate you being willing to reflect back and re-evaluate :-)
Rob On Jun 15, 2013, at 3:10, Neal Clark <[email protected]> wrote: > 3 responses: > > matt: thank you for providing a much needed voice of reason. well, really > only i needed it, so make that a personal thanks. > > josh fox: i apologize for what i said. > > sdruby: i apologize for flipping out on our mailing list. i get really angry > when businessmen use these ridiculous 'rockstar' and 'ninja' metaphors. i > feel like it disrespects the craft and falsifies the potential utility of all > of us, and discourages beginners. > > i try my best to be diplomatic. i won't forget the knee-jerk response i gave > to josh in this thread. i have reflected on my anger, and i will try my best > to hold myself to a higher standard of communication going forward. > > thanks. > > -n > > On Fri, Jun 14, 2013 at 6:20 AM, Matt Aimonetti <[email protected]> > wrote: >> wow... take it easy guys. Let's try to avoid personal attacks. >> >> >> On Fri, Jun 14, 2013 at 11:57 AM, Neal Clark <[email protected]> >> wrote: >>> I apologize if I'm being opaque. >>> >>> I think you're full of shit. >>> >>> >>> On Fri, Jun 14, 2013 at 2:47 AM, Neal Clark <[email protected]> >>> wrote: >>>> What specifically is your definition of "the extras"? >>>> >>>> please describe your experience as a software engineer, or ninja, or >>>> ninja rockstar, or rockstar. >>>> >>>> where did you learn your licks or star-throwing abilities, and how long >>>> did you use them? >>>> >>>> >>>> On Fri, Jun 14, 2013 at 2:43 AM, Josh Fox <[email protected]> wrote: >>>>> Neal, thanks for taking the poll. >>>>> >>>>> The silly terminology was all tongue-in-cheek >>>>> <330.gif> >>>>> , and yes, I tried hard to keep it short-and-sweet. >>>>> >>>>> As for the ridiculous term "IT peasant" (I think I made that up): I >>>>> actually think that quite a few top developers don't do the "extras." >>>>> >>>>> They focus on doing their jobs well, learn new skills and meet colleagues >>>>> in the context of their jobs. But the relative proportion of each type >>>>> is an interesting question that I'm trying to learn more about. >>>>> >>>>> Josh >>>>> On Fri, Jun 14, 2013 at 12:30 PM, Neal Clark <[email protected]> >>>>> wrote: >>>>>> I took your idiotic, reductive, manager-fashion-word survey. I'm an "IT >>>>>> Peasant," apparently. >>>>>> >>>>>> I guess I should publish more open source code. I should apparently >>>>>> obsess over it, so as to gain the interest in know-nothings. >>>>>> >>>>>> for those who haven't taken the survey, the questionnaire places all of >>>>>> us into 1 of 3 categories: >>>>>> >>>>>> 1. "Ninja Rockstar" >>>>>> 2. "Rockstar" >>>>>> 3. "IT Peasont" >>>>>> >>>>>> (vomit, on all three counts) >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> On Fri, Jun 14, 2013 at 2:08 AM, Josh Fox >>>>>> <[email protected]="mailto:[email protected]";>> wrote: >>>>>>> > As a nice follow up, when you article is up can you ping the thread >>>>>>> > again? >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Yup, I'll do that. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Josh >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Writer: Business Insider/Brazen Careerist >>>>>>> Founder, FiveYearItch.com >>>>>>> >>>>>>> On Thu, Jun 13, 2013 at 7:59 PM, Zach g <[email protected]> wrote: >>>>>>>> As a nice follow up, when you article is up can you ping the thread >>>>>>>> again? Would love to read the results. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> On Jun 13, 2013, at 3:00 AM, Josh Fox <[email protected]> wrote: >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Hi all, >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> For an article I'm writing (for Brazen Careerist/Business Insider), >>>>>>>>> I'd like to ask: >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Do you do the ninja thing -- pardon the gawdawful expression ☺ ? >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> How common is it really to commit open-source code, rack up >>>>>>>>> StackOverflow karma, and continually learn new technologies? Or do >>>>>>>>> people just "do their jobs"? >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> I'm guessing that a small proportion of active bloggers gives us an >>>>>>>>> exaggerated sense of these things; or maybe it really is common. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> I put together a quick three-question poll. I made it to be fun to >>>>>>>>> answer, and when you do it, you can see where you stand. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Regards, >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Josh >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Writer: Business Insider/Brazen Careerist >>>>>>>>> Founder, FiveYearItch.com >>>>>>> >>>>>>> -- >>>>>>> >>>>>>> -- >>>>>>> SD Ruby mailing list >>>>>>> [email protected] >>>>>>> http://groups.google.com/group/sdruby >>>>>>> --- >>>>>>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google >>>>>>> Groups "SD Ruby" group. >>>>>>> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send >>>>>>> an email to [email protected]. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> -- >>>>>> -- >>>>>> SD Ruby mailing list >>>>>> [email protected] >>>>>> http://groups.google.com/group/sdruby >>>>>> --- >>>>>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google >>>>>> Groups "SD Ruby" group. >>>>>> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send >>>>>> an email to [email protected]. >>>>>> >>>>>> For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> -- >>>>> -- >>>>> SD Ruby mailing list >>>>> [email protected] >>>>> http://groups.google.com/group/sdruby >>>>> --- >>>>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups >>>>> "SD Ruby" group. >>>>> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an >>>>> email to [email protected]. >>>>> For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. >>>>> >>>>> >>>> >>> >>> -- >>> -- >>> SD Ruby mailing list >>> [email protected] >>> http://groups.google.com/group/sdruby >>> --- >>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups >>> "SD Ruby" group. >>> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an >>> email to [email protected]. >>> For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. >>> >>> >> >> -- >> -- >> SD Ruby mailing list >> [email protected] >> http://groups.google.com/group/sdruby >> --- >> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups >> "SD Ruby" group. >> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an >> email to [email protected]. >> For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. >> >> > > -- > -- > SD Ruby mailing list > [email protected] > http://groups.google.com/group/sdruby > --- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "SD > Ruby" group. > To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an > email to [email protected]. > For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. > > -- -- SD Ruby mailing list [email protected] http://groups.google.com/group/sdruby --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "SD Ruby" group. 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