RE: test
At 08:44 PM 10/24/02, Nick Arnett wrote: Once you're dung, we can test. To see if the satellite phone still works, like they did in "Jurassic Park 3"? --Ronn! :) "Bathroom humor is an American-Standard." ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
RE: test
At 08:44 PM 10/24/02, Nick Arnett wrote: So, get somebody to ding you. [ ] Offending *me* or Julia won't do it, because I'm a tester, not a testee. Offend somebody else. At 09:02 PM 10/24/02, William Taylor wrote: Is your cat declawed? If this were a cat care list, that would do it. Just mentioning that word is generally enough to set off a passionate flame war that will consume the list for the next several days. --Ronn! :) , D.J. =^.^= (declawed on the front by a previous owner, but it doesn't seem to bother him--also he is nudging my elbow as I try to type), and Midnight =^.^= , Spot (1992-96), and Andy (1989-99) (all of which have/had all their natural complement of claws) ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
Re: mobile phones
At 10:47 PM 10/24/02, The Fool wrote: LONDON (Reuters) - Italian scientists have raised new health concerns about the safety of using mobile phones, with research showing radio waves from the handsets makes cancerous cells grow more aggressively. I think that they still pose a far greater danger to pedestrians and the drivers of other cars. (No, I don't think all mobile phone use is unsafe, nor that they should be prohibited. I just have encountered several drivers when I was in one of the above categories at whom I would have liked to have shouted "Hang up the phone and pay attention to your driving" -- but of course they had their windows rolled up, too. And before you ask, yes, I have one. I generally do not answer it if it rings while I am driving -- when I have a chance to pull over, I look at the "missed call" display and call them back if it is likely to be important. If I need to place a call while driving, I use one of those hands-free devices. I prefer the ones that have both the speaker and the microphone in the earplug -- not only do I get better results with the other person hearing and understanding me with one of those than with the type with a separate microphone on a boom, but I can inform the person I am calling that I am talking to them through my ear . . . and that that is probably not the worst orifice one could be talking through.) --Ronn! :) I always knew that I would see the first man on the Moon. I never dreamed that I would see the last. --Dr. Jerry Pournelle ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
Re: test
At 03:48 PM 10/23/02, J. van Baardwijk wrote: At 15:49 22-10-2002 -0700, Debbi Harrell wrote: I've sent 2 messages (re: the UN) in the past 15 minutes, but they haven't made it - at least to my computer. I get the impression that there is something wrong with either Nick's server or with his Internet connection. I have noticed in the last two days that messages I send to the List sometimes take *hours* before they arrive. Some of the messages I sent in the last two days never even made it at all. Nick, whassup? Jeroen "Must be those bloody Gremlins again" van Baardwijk Must be. Last night, some messages I sent to another list didn't seem to go through for hours, while others I sent a few minutes earlier and a few minutes later appeared quickly. Remember what you said the other day about trying the same thing on computers and getting different results? --Ronn! :) I always knew that I would see the first man on the Moon. I never dreamed that I would see the last. --Dr. Jerry Pournelle ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
Re: mobile phones
On Thu, Oct 24, 2002 at 10:47:39PM -0500, The Fool wrote: > When Fiorenzo Marinelli and his colleagues at the National Research > Council in Bologna exposed leukemia cells in the laboratory to 48 > hours of continuous radio waves they initially killed the cancer cells > but then made the surviving tumor cells replicate more rapidly. They _killed_ most of the cells? What was the power level? Must be much higher than cell phones. -- "Erik Reuter" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> http://www.erikreuter.net/ ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
Re: The UN
On Fri, Oct 25, 2002 at 12:59:37AM -0500, Julia Thompson wrote: > (And I'll feel better about *my* response if I get confirmation from > Erik at some point.) You are right as usual, Julia. The UN Security Council needs 9 yea's and no vetos from any of the 5 permanent members to pass. Since Dan implied the 5 permanent members would vote yes, then there were 4 more yea's required, which is what I was referring to. -- "Erik Reuter" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> http://www.erikreuter.net/ ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
Re: Cat fights, was test
At 09:34 PM 10/24/02, Deborah Harrell wrote: --- [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > Is your cat declawed? ??? Neither cat is declawed - I must say that I find that an offensive practice, like cropping dogs' ears for 'fashion.' Kia would be dead if he didn't have weapons, as one day last month I heard him _screaming_ and ran outside to find him holding off a fox. In my front yard! Not yet sunset! The Right To Bear Arms Maru Right after I answered the earlier messages in this thread, I went out to the car to get some papers I needed to grade before this mornings classes. As usual, Midnight followed me out the door and toward the driveway. However, after I got the car door open, I heard screaming coming from behind the house, and went to find Midnight and another cat going at it on the patio. I pried them apart--as best I could tell in the dark, the other cat looked more or less Siamese and, though I didn't recognize it, it's obviously some neighbor's cat as it seemed well-cared-for and used to handling (didn't try to scratch or bite me when I pried him off Midnight because by that time the other cat was on top--and the other cat took off. Neither of them seemed to have any obvious injuries. Now if I could only get Midnight to understand that it is because such incidents can happen that is why I carried him to the vet Monday morning for his rabies and FeLV and other shots -- he was NOT happy to go and spent the rest of the day after we got home sulking. D.J., of course, watched the whole thing from the window . . . --Ronn! :) , D.J. =^.^= , and Midnight =^.^= , Spot (1992-96), and Andy (1989-99) ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
RE: Italian author slams Islam's 'hate' for West
At 21:30 23-10-2002 -0400, Joe Hale wrote: This author makes a good point. People who claim Islam is a religion of peace are turning a blind eye to history. If Islam was a religion of peace there would never have been a Battle of Tours. The Moslems are currently fighting the Christians, Jews, and Hindus, and they are responsible for blowing up the Buddhist statutes in Afghanistan. They can't get along with anybody. This is not a religion of peace. Are you really that intolerant, or just extremely ignorant? Islam's history is not one of peace and only peace, but the same can be said about that other major religion: Christianity. The aggressive actions of Muslems in current times are not typical for Islam; they are the actions of a relatively small number of Muslim-fundamentalists who misinterpret the Koran -- in pretty much the same way the Christian fundamentalists misinterpret the Bible. Islam itself is a religion of peace and tolerance; it is the words and actions of a few fanatics who give Islam a bad reputation. Look beyond that. Jeroen "Intolerance towards intolerance" van Baardwijk __ Wonderful-World-of-Brin-L Website: http://www.Brin-L.com ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
RE: The UN
At 21:05 23-10-2002 -0500, John Horn wrote: > >That is to say, by that rule, England should have done nothing while > >Hitler took over Austria, Czechoslovakia, and Poland. > > England does not have borders with those countries, so when Hitler > attacked them, England was not under attack. So what about mutual defense treaties? Are those wrong? No, of course not. But rushing to the aid of an invaded country with which you have a mutual defense treaty is something wildly different from attacking a country because of a suspicion that said country *might* have (or *might* be developing) weapons of mass destruction which it then *might* use against you. So far the US has failed to produce a shred of evidence about Iraq developing and/or producing WMD's. Others have already argued why Saddam Hussein is only going to use those weapons when he knows his personal end his near and has nothing to lose. Are there no situations in which a preemptive attack might be warranted? There might be, but no such situation has presented itself so far. Jeroen "Make love, not war" van Baardwijk __ Wonderful-World-of-Brin-L Website: http://www.Brin-L.com ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
Re: Question for everyone
At 21:21 24-10-2002 -0500, Robert Seeberger wrote: > The eventual accomplishment would be John Giorgis cleaning up his act > and starting to behave like a civilised adult. Whatever it was that John did (long forgotten by almost everyone by now) That would mean that I am one of very few people on this list who have a *functioning* short-term memory... it certainly didnt call for the endless fits spits and pity parties the list is subjected to...by you. Well, if Giorgis would actually behave like a decent, civilised person, there would be no reason for me to criticise his behaviour. But unfortunately... And you have not even seen all of it; you should read the bullshit I have received off-list from him over the years. Believe me, arrogant stuff like "What part of stripping "Brin" from subject headers didn't you understand?" is pretty much the least aggressive of his off-list posts. (That line was the subject header of an otherwise empty post, received a few days ago after I had forgotten to remove the word "Brin" from the subject header of one of my posts). Your childish and churlish behavior is far worse than anything you have accused John of. So, criticising someone for is misbehaviour is worse than the misbehaviour itself? After about 2 years of this you should have some clue as to how unreasonable your bitching is and how completely unrealistic your expectations are. I think my "bitching" (more correctly: my criticism) is quite reasonable. But as for my expectations, you are right: it is completely unrealistic to expect that Giorgis will ever improve his attitude, get down from his high horse and start behaving like an intelligent, mature and civilised person. I am interested in hearing diverse opinions, even those that I find antagonistic to my worldview, so I can appreciate what you bring to political discussions. But when you go off on John with such zeal, with unasked for frequency, The frequence of my criticism happens to equal the frequency with which Giorgis shows his usual questionable behaviour. So, essentially, if you want things to improve you will have to get him to shape up. and unfortunate poor judgement, What poor judgement? Have I been having the wrong impressions about Giorgis? He regularly shows arrogance, refuses to answer questions, refuses to back his claims, tends to launch personal attacks, etcetera. Should I have considered all that to be *acceptable*, perhaps even *desirable* behaviour, rather than considering it unwanted behaviour? Jeroen "How long till Hell freezes over?" van Baardwijk __ Wonderful-World-of-Brin-L Website: http://www.Brin-L.com ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
Re: test
At 21:23 24-10-2002 -0500, Robert Seeberger wrote: > >We're testing manual "dinging." > > Would you mind using someone else's posts for that, please? Thank you. > My how bossy you are! Nah. If I were bossy, I would have *told* him, rather than *ask* him, to use someone else's posts for it. Jeroen "The Boss" van Baardwijk __ Wonderful-World-of-Brin-L Website: http://www.Brin-L.com ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
Re: Question for everyone
J. van Baardwijk wrote: > That would mean that I am one of very few people on this list who have a > *functioning* short-term memory... > after I had forgotten to remove the word "Brin" from the subject header of > one of my posts). ;-) ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
Re: Question for everyone
J. van Baardwijk wrote: >> "What part of stripping "Brin" from subject headers didn't you understand?" The big question is: "Did you answer the question, or evade the issue???" Remember, he is probably just trying to help you to improve. Ray. ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
Re: Pop vs. soda
Deborah Harrell wrote: > > --- Julia Thompson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > http://www.ugcs.caltech.edu/~almccon/pop_soda/ > > > > They have a *map* showing the geographical > > distribution of terms. > > Do they have another map showing political affiliation > with respect to what one calls a carbonated beverage? > :) No. You could suggest that to them, though. :) Julia ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
RE: brin: war
De : The Fool [mailto:kneem@;fyiowa.infi.net] > Mr. JDG is perfectly happy to have his special brand of trvth forced on > people by the government, irrespective of whether abortion etc. is right > or wrong, he would have the government force his particular views on > everyone. He, being a good catholic, would probably prefer a return to > the absolute power of the popes. I'd advise against simple characterization based on race, religion, sex or anything else for that matter. Catholic does not equal fanatic. Being a Catholic does not mean that I agree with every other Catholic or even everything the church says. The Catholic church has evolved in the past and will evolve again in the future. It will do so because Catholics have opinions and need their religion to keep up with the times. In the past masses were celebrated in latin. In the future, we might get women priests. In the meantime, I'm pretty much fed up with the caricatural way my religion is depicted in American media. Jean-Louis Catholic, yet pro-choice, pro-contraception, etc. ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
Re: br!n: war
Note that JDG's and Jean-Louis' posts had "brin:" in the subject line. Those messages were being forwarded to David Brin, who asked not to have any messages sent to him (unless urgent) until after the election. ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
Re: br!n: war
Erik Reuter wrote: > > Note that JDG's and Jean-Louis' posts had "brin:" in the subject > line. Those messages were being forwarded to David Brin, who asked > not to have any messages sent to him (unless urgent) until after the > election. Actually, JDG has put "brin" in the subject line only once since Dr. Brin last made the request to remove it, and he re-posted soon after asking folks to respond to the version that had "brin" stripped out of the subject line. (Of course, someone else responded to the version that still had "brin" in the subject line, despite the request not to do so.) The post with "brin" in the subject line that Jean-Louis was responding to was posted by The Fool. It just happened to mention JDG in the part that Jean-Louis quoted. Right now, Dr. Brin is on "nomail", so he's not getting the posts. But we really need to watch the subject lines. All of us, myself among the "especially" crowd. Let's practice by taking it out of ALL subject lines until the election. If you're replying to something that had "brin" in the subject line, take it out before you hit send. Thanks! Julia who will be monitoring posts and noting who might need frequent reminders when the good doctor returns ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
Re: br!n: war
On Fri, Oct 25, 2002 at 11:56:07AM -0500, Julia Thompson wrote: > Actually, JDG has put "brin" in the subject line only once since Dr. > Brin last made the request to remove it, and he re-posted soon after Actually, twice from the first time DB asked it to be removed (DB asked more than once, the first request I saw was Oct 21 at about 18:00 ET), but you are right that I was thinking of the Fool's post and not JDG's when I wrote that. Sorry, John. > Right now, Dr. Brin is on "nomail", so he's not getting the posts. But That's good to know. -- "Erik Reuter" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> http://www.erikreuter.net/ ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
Re: br!n: war
In a message dated 10/25/2002 9:31:05 AM US Mountain Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: << Subj: Re: br!n: war Note that JDG's and Jean-Louis' posts had "brin:" in the subject line. Those messages were being forwarded to David Brin, who asked not to have any messages sent to him (unless urgent) until after the election. >> Love it! Way better than what I was doing. (Nirb) Hats off to Erik. ..hey. Hay! Stop that Noor! It's got my hat! William Taylor ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
RE: br!n: war
Erik Reuter wrote: > > Note that JDG's and Jean-Louis' posts had "brin:" in the subject > line. Those messages were being forwarded to David Brin, who asked > not to have any messages sent to him (unless urgent) until after the > election. Sorry about that, I didn't check: my bad. Jean-Louis ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
Re: Question for everyone
"J. van Baardwijk" wrote: > > At 16:19 23-10-2002 -0700, Matt Grimaldi wrote: > > >The way it was phrased left that impression in my mind, and suggested a > >series of thoughts which were, oh, let's say unflattering, that the rest > >of the list should feel guilty for not doing exactly what you thought > >they should, and so on, it gets worse from there. > > > >What positive thing were you trying to accomplish by saying that? > >I certainly can't think of any. > > The initial accomplishment would be people pointing out to John Giorgis > that his behaviour, oh, let's put it nicely, leaves something to be desired? > > The eventual accomplishment would be John Giorgis cleaning up his act and > starting to behave like a civilised adult. So then you *were* trying to push a guilt trip on us. Grr... If that's really *all* you were trying to do, you have a lot to learn about writing arguments intended to produce an action from the reader. BTW, there *has* been some improvement in JDG's behavior, which you've apparently ignored. Less than a year ago, such an argument would have degraded into personal attacks within a week. -- Matt ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
Hallowe'en
I'm going to a Hallowe'en party this weekend. My potential costumes include Harry Potter's Hagrid, a bearded lady or just a plain old mummy. Anybody else getting dressed up in the next few days? Jean-Louis "Next year, I'm a Jophur!" Couturier ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
Re: Hallowe'en
Jean-Louis Couturier wrote: > > I'm going to a Hallowe'en party this weekend. My potential costumes include > > Harry Potter's Hagrid, a bearded lady or just a plain old mummy. > > Anybody else getting dressed up in the next few days? Well, if Sammy will tolerate being put in a Tigger outfit (no mask, just pants and a top with a hood), he'll be Tigger. (He likes orange. I'd have gotten him a pumkin outfit if I could have found one in his size after I decided I *would* get something to dress him in for Halloween.) I have an assortment of black dresses to choose from, and managed to get a plain black pointed cap, so I get to answer the door to trick-or-treaters dressed as a duck^H^H^H^Hwitch. > Jean-Louis "Next year, I'm a Jophur!" Couturier I'd like to see *that*! :) Julia ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
Re: br!n: war
Julia Thompson wrote: > > Let's practice by taking it out of ALL subject lines until the > election. > I agree! This means that I will be able to put brin: back on Monday - if there's still Free Internet in this Communist Country Alberto Monteiro ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
Re: br!n: war
Alberto Monteiro wrote: > > Julia Thompson wrote: > > > > Let's practice by taking it out of ALL subject lines until the > > election. > > > I agree! This means that I will be able to put brin: > back on Monday - if there's still Free Internet in > this Communist Country > > Alberto Monteiro I think he meant Wed. 06-NOV-2002 at the earliest. -- Matt ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
RE: Hallowe'en
>> Jean-Louis "Next year, I'm a Jophur!" Couturier De : Julia Thompson [mailto:julia@;zurg.net] > I'd like to see *that*! :) I'll take pictures. I figure hula-hoops for structure with air chambers for toruses. Have 1 torus with eyes, 1 with antenna, I'll dip one or two with perfumes (vanilla would be good). There is one big drawback though, and it's that drinking might be a problem. Jean-Louis A torus with straws... ... sure way to a hangover. ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
Re: Hallowe'en
In a message dated 10/25/2002 2:17:23 PM US Mountain Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: << >> Jean-Louis "Next year, I'm a Jophur!" Couturier De : Julia Thompson [mailto:julia@;zurg.net] > I'd like to see *that*! :) I'll take pictures. I figure hula-hoops for structure with air chambers for toruses. Have 1 torus with eyes, 1 with antenna, I'll dip one or two with perfumes (vanilla would be good). There is one big drawback though, and it's that drinking might be a problem. >> Um, do you mean drinking, or the inevitable results from drinking. If the results, they sell them things at truck stops. Almost a week ago, I emailed the good Dr. Brin about putting a human inside of a Traeki. Another dirty trick. Unlike a mile long Traeki magnetic cannon, this might be a practical idea, as in smuggling humans past the Jophur. No answer from Dr. Brin; he must have been packing already. William Taylor --- Built like a Garthling--not many other choices. ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
RE: Hallowe'en
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: >> There is one big drawback though, and it's that drinking might >> be a problem. William Taylor wrote : > Um, do you mean drinking, or the inevitable results from drinking. If the > results, they sell them things at truck stops. I meant drinking. You can't just have your head popping out of a stack now can you? So getting a glass next to your lips can be tricky with a couple of toruses between your maouth and said glass. The solution would be a torus with straws, but drinking alcohol through a straw often leads to abuse and a rough following day. Jean-Louis ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
Re: Hallowe'en
Jean-Louis Couturier wrote: > > [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: > >> There is one big drawback though, and it's that drinking might > >> be a problem. > > William Taylor wrote : > > Um, do you mean drinking, or the inevitable results from drinking. If the > > results, they sell them things at truck stops. > > I meant drinking. You can't just have your head popping out of a stack > now can you? So getting a glass next to your lips can be tricky with > a couple of toruses between your maouth and said glass. The solution > would be a torus with straws, but drinking alcohol through a straw often > leads to abuse and a rough following day. Especially if you down an entire fifth of scotch in that manner. At least, that's what was reported to me by the friend who did that once Can you do some sort of sideways trap-door for your hand to go out? You could grab the glass that way, and then drink inside the stack. Julia ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
Re: Hallowe'en
In a message dated 10/25/2002 2:50:11 PM US Mountain Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: << I meant drinking. You can't just have your head popping out of a stack now can you? So getting a glass next to your lips can be tricky with a couple of toruses between your maouth and said glass. The solution would be a torus with straws, but drinking alcohol through a straw often leads to abuse and a rough following day. >> Vlen [sp?] the glass through the rings. Maybe your arms could be rubber glove waldos that can be inflated when you have an arm inside drinking. If anyone says that's not how a Jophur drinks, just say that you're planning to give birth to a hangover. William Taylor P.S. Avoid anyone dressed as a French tire maker's mascot. ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
RE: Hallowe'en
De : Julia Thompson [mailto:julia@;zurg.net] > Can you do some sort of sideways trap-door for your hand to go out? You > could grab the glass that way, and then drink inside the stack. That could be an idea. I was thinking to have an "arms" torus made out of stuffed cloth which would mean that my arms would always be out. Your idea would make things easier. Jean-Louis ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
Re: Hallowe'en
In a message dated 10/25/2002 3:02:06 PM US Mountain Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: << Especially if you down an entire fifth of scotch in that manner. >> Funny. Why do I think a Jophur would prefer vodka or uso [sp?] William Taylor -- Non drinker by way of instant migraine. ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
RE: Italian author slams Islam's 'hate' for West
I would like to believe "it's just a few fanatics who give Islam a bad reputation". However the roaring silence of the so called majority speaks volumes about where their sympathy lies. Also the Moslem Fundamentalists are not "misinterpreting the Koran". They are not stupid. They know how to read. Their interpretation is just as valid as the moderate's interpretation. (There is no "Pope" in Islam to settle these issues.) And I never claimed that other religions don't have their militant streaks. I merely said that in today's world it is the Moslems who seem to be fighting everyone else. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:brin-l-bounces@;mccmedia.com] On Behalf Of J. van Baardwijk Sent: Friday, October 25, 2002 10:10 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: Italian author slams Islam's 'hate' for West At 21:30 23-10-2002 -0400, Joe Hale wrote: >This author makes a good point. People who claim Islam is a religion of >peace are turning a blind eye to history. If Islam was a religion of >peace there would never have been a Battle of Tours. The Moslems are >currently fighting the Christians, Jews, and Hindus, and they are >responsible for blowing up the Buddhist statutes in Afghanistan. They >can't get along with anybody. This is not a religion of peace. Are you really that intolerant, or just extremely ignorant? Islam's history is not one of peace and only peace, but the same can be said about that other major religion: Christianity. The aggressive actions of Muslems in current times are not typical for Islam; they are the actions of a relatively small number of Muslim-fundamentalists who misinterpret the Koran -- in pretty much the same way the Christian fundamentalists misinterpret the Bible. Islam itself is a religion of peace and tolerance; it is the words and actions of a few fanatics who give Islam a bad reputation. Look beyond that. Jeroen "Intolerance towards intolerance" van Baardwijk __ Wonderful-World-of-Brin-L Website: http://www.Brin-L.com ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
