Re: external GSM antenna

[Joerg Reisenweber]

Am Do  31. Juli 2008 schrieb Dale Schumacher:
> On Wed, Jul 30, 2008 at 1:11 PM, Joerg Reisenweber <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> 
wrote:
> > The GSM-connector to be found near one of the screws (see [disassembling 
Neo
> > 1973] in wiki) is:
> > MURATA MM8430-2610RB3 SMD RF TEST PORT
> >
> > For a nice fitting adapter see attached photo and:
> > http://www.google.de/search?q=MXHS83QE3000
> 
> Just to avoid (more) confusion.  The photo called "gps-adapter.jpg" is
> actually a GSM adapter, not GPS, right?

Yep, was late when I took the photo. Sorry.
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Re: numptyphysics ipk

[Michael Kluge]

> > Point taken. Do you think enough things will be worked out over the
> > next few days such that it can be demoed at LinuxWorld?
>
> I'm not responsible for the numptypyhsics port but what I can tell
> from the source is it should be quite easy to tailor this to the
> OpenMoko dimension ..

Responsibility ;) I did it once. Take it, submit patches. Talk to the 
author :) Have fun. The port is not 'mine'. We should just sync what we do so 
that we don't waste resources by having two people working in parallel fixing 
the smae things twice. But I will not fix things the next two weeks as I am 
on a camp ground.


Michael

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Re: bitbake and patches

[Sander van Grieken]

On Wednesday 30 July 2008 13:29:26 Michael Kluge wrote:
> Hi,
>
> I am trying to create a bb recipe. I check out the sources I need per svn
> and need to apply some patches afterwars (copying files over to the svn
> tree). The patches (=new files) are sitting side by side within the same
> dir as the bb file. During do_patch there is no pointer to the directory
> with the bb files. How do I get my patches to the destination path with
> do_patch() ?

I think you must create a real patch using diff. And you dont need an absolute 
path, the patch only needs to be relative to the code tree's root.

Sander


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Re: numptyphysics ipk

[Jay Vaughan]

> Point taken. Do you think enough things will be worked out over the  
> next few days such that it can be demoed at LinuxWorld?


I'm not responsible for the numptypyhsics port but what I can tell  
from the source is it should be quite easy to tailor this to the  
OpenMoko dimension ..

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Re: What will the GTA03 have? and other quick questions...

[Robert William Hutton]

Charles-Henri Gros wrote:
>> Check out OSM project http://www.openstreetmap.org/ They have a good
>> thing going.
> 
> Tangogps already uses that.
> 
> opkg install tangogps

The package from the repository is a bit ancient.  I recommend you get 
the latest version from the tangogps website.  Among other things it has 
the ability to download and store maps so that you can use them when not 
connected to the internet.

http://www.tangogps.org/gps/cat/Download

Cheers,

Rob

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Re: ASU - opkg upgrade - is it possible to exclude some packages?

[Charles-Henri Gros]

Torfinn Ingolfsen wrote:
> Hi,
> 
> On Wed, Jul 30, 2008 at 7:59 AM, Charles-Henri Gros
> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>>> Is there a way to tell 'opkg upgrade' to upgrade everything except the 
>>> kernel?
>> I just removed /etc/opkg/neo1973.conf
>>
> 
> Thanks!
> Well, that worked. Sort of:
> 
> Collected errors:
>  * ERROR: Cannot satisfy the following dependencies for neod:
>  *  libpulse0 (>= 0.9.10) *

Can't help with that, sorry.
> 
>> I don't really see how it could be useful, and it takes care of this
>> particular problem.
> 
> I'm just worried that I will be removing something I need in the
> future. At a quick glance, that repository is the only one with
> kernels and kernel modules in it.

It's not:
om-gta02-feed.conf has kernels for gta02 (freerunner)


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Re: Flash ASU

[Charles-Henri Gros]

Evgeny Ginzburg wrote:
> Scott wrote:
>> Why do the latest ASU folders not have the kernel or root file system 
>> files?
>>
> AFAIK if they are no changed, they don't appear again.

Couldn't we get symlinks to the old ones or something? Having to click
on all the days until you find a directory with the right files is annoying.

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Re: What will the GTA03 have? and other quick questions...

[Charles-Henri Gros]

Robin Häggqvist wrote:
> 4) GPS
> Will I be able to keep maps updated for free?
> Will it be possible to make use of google maps, in the sense of having
> the indications on how to get from A to B?
> 
>  
> Check out OSM project http://www.openstreetmap.org/ They have a good
> thing going.

Tangogps already uses that.

opkg install tangogps

See also thread a few days ago about map pre-caching.

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Re: [EMAIL PROTECTED] - non-response

[Liyueh Shen]

Dave,

Please email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Thanks.

steve wrote:
> Everyone is buried in mail.
>
> What can I do for you 
>
> -Original Message-
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> Hello
> I'm wondering has anyone receieved any response from [EMAIL PROTECTED] in
> the last two weeks? I'm trying to get openmoko to resubmit info for shipping
> so I can claim back provincial sales tax for my group but 3 emails to sales@
> since the Friday before last and one email to a specific person I won't name
> @openmoko have resulted in no replies.
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Re: trying to buy a freerunner in taipei?

[yangm]

Setup a branch in Hongkong is a best solution for China mainland.



2008/7/31 carmen r <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>

> On Thu Jul 31, 2008 at 10:31:29AM +0800, MKL23 wrote:
> >
> > What is the requirements to become a distributor?
> > A firm? Or personal workshop?
>
> you know how in a major city you can find a handful of little stores
> usually operated by someone from China or Taiwan, and grab the latest ASUS,
> or MSI (or FIC) mobo?
>
> itd be great if those places had some openmoko stock
>
> im pretty shocked there isnt one in Taipei?
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Re: wiki database error

[BrendaWang]

Hi, Guys:
Our IT already fix this.
Does it still happened?

Brenda

matt joyce ??:
> I also got an error, trying to save a minor change.
>
> Database error
>
>  From Openmoko
> Jump to: navigation 
> , 
> search 
> 
> A database query syntax error has occurred. This may indicate a bug in 
> the software. The last attempted database query was:
>
> (SQL query hidden)
>
> from within function "SearchMySQL4::update". MySQL returned error "126: 
> Incorrect key file for table './wikidb/searchindex.MYI'; try to repair 
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Re: [EMAIL PROTECTED] - non-response

[Liyueh Shen]

Dave,

Please email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Thanks.

Webshop order related questions can be addressed to this email as well -

Payment issue
Change/cancel of order
Shipping status
DOA/Repair/Return

-Liane

steve wrote:
> Everyone is buried in mail.
>
> What can I do for you 
>
> -Original Message-
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>
> Hello
> I'm wondering has anyone receieved any response from [EMAIL PROTECTED] in
> the last two weeks? I'm trying to get openmoko to resubmit info for shipping
> so I can claim back provincial sales tax for my group but 3 emails to sales@
> since the Friday before last and one email to a specific person I won't name
> @openmoko have resulted in no replies.
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> Dave
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RE: trying to buy a freerunner in taipei?

[Lin Mac]

I'm surprised too, especially here in Taiwan, where openmoko is located.
Steve said that "Or become a disty and turn a problem into prosperity", but 
there is no information about how to.


Best Regards,
Mac Lin


> Date: Wed, 30 Jul 2008 23:16:03 -0400
> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> To: community@lists.openmoko.org
> Subject: Re: trying to buy a freerunner in taipei?
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> On Thu Jul 31, 2008 at 10:31:29AM +0800, MKL23 wrote:
>>
>> What is the requirements to become a distributor?
>> A firm? Or personal workshop?
>
> you know how in a major city you can find a handful of little stores usually 
> operated by someone from China or Taiwan, and grab the latest ASUS, or MSI 
> (or FIC) mobo?
>
> itd be great if those places had some openmoko stock
>
> im pretty shocked there isnt one in Taipei?
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Updating freerunner to latest snapshot (WAS: Re: )

[Robert William Hutton]

Lynn Nguyen wrote:
> Where do you guys get your snapshots? I think I would like to just 
> reflash the openmoko. These are the steps I originally took... Does 
> anyone know if I am actually doing it right?

What I did was flash my freerunner to the latest milestone, from here:

http://downloads.openmoko.org/releases/Freerunner/

Instructions here:

http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Flashing_the_Neo_FreeRunner

Then upgraded all the packages:

# this has to be done on the terminal on the openmoko
opkg update
opkg upgrade dropbear &

# this can then be done from ssh
opkg upgrade

Note that currently this clobbers your kernel, so you need to restore it 
by getting the latest kernel from here (or similar, newer place):

http://buildhost.openmoko.org/daily/freerunner/200807/

It'll be called uImage-2.6.24-om-gta02.bin

Then follow these instructions to flash it onto your freerunner:

http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Flashing_the_Neo_FreeRunner#Flashing_the_Kernel

Once you've done all this, you'll have the latest root filesystem with 
the latest kernel.  But don't do an opkg upgrade again until the kernel 
package problems are sorted out.

> I noticed that on this, the time is never right, could it be because of 
> the images I got? Where can get the correct images if this is the case?

http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Getting_Started_with_your_Neo_FreeRunner#Setting_date_and_time

> Also, where do people get their ipkg feeds? Like, what sources are 
> listed in your /etc/ipkg.conf and /etc/ipkg/*.conf files?

Just the default here, works fine.

-Rob

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Re:

[Lynn Nguyen]

Just following the steps that were on the wiki hehe. I didn't know you could
do that. So apparently there are 3 different images that we can have on the
phone, the GTK, ASU, and FSO. What is the most stable one and what do most
people use to develop on? What do people prefer?

On 7/30/08, Angus Ainslie <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> On Wed, Jul 30, 2008 at 10:03 PM, Lynn Nguyen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
>> Hmm are there any benefits to booting from an sd card? I think I would
>> prefer not to if possible.
>>
>> Where do you guys get your snapshots? I think I would like to just reflash
>> the openmoko. These are the steps I originally took... Does anyone know if I
>> am actually doing it right?
>>
>> 1. download images from
>> http://buildhost.openmoko.org/OM2007.2/tmp/deploy/glibc/images/neo1973/?C=M;O=D
>>
>> 2. flashing kernel:
>> # sudo su
>> #  ./dfu-util -a kernel -d 0x1457:0x5119 -R -D
>> /home/lynn/moko/flash/uImage-2.6.22.5-moko11+svnr3238-r8-neo1973.bin
>>
>>
>
> You are flashing a neo 1973 not a freerunner , right ?
>
>
>
>>
>> 3. flashing rfs
>> # sudo ./dfu-util -a 5 -d 0x1457:0x5119 -R -D
>> /home/lynn/moko/flash/OpenMoko-openmoko-image-glibc-ipk-P1-Snapshot-20071121-fic-gta01.rootfs.jffs2
>>
>>
>>
>>
>
> Why not use -a rootfs instead of -a 5 ?
>
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Re:

[Angus Ainslie]

On Wed, Jul 30, 2008 at 10:03 PM, Lynn Nguyen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> Hmm are there any benefits to booting from an sd card? I think I would
> prefer not to if possible.
>
> Where do you guys get your snapshots? I think I would like to just reflash
> the openmoko. These are the steps I originally took... Does anyone know if I
> am actually doing it right?
>
> 1. download images from
> http://buildhost.openmoko.org/OM2007.2/tmp/deploy/glibc/images/neo1973/?C=M;O=D
>
> 2. flashing kernel:
> # sudo su
> #  ./dfu-util -a kernel -d 0x1457:0x5119 -R -D
> /home/lynn/moko/flash/uImage-2.6.22.5-moko11+svnr3238-r8-neo1973.bin
>

You are flashing a neo 1973 not a freerunner , right ?


> 3. flashing rfs
> # sudo ./dfu-util -a 5 -d 0x1457:0x5119 -R -D
> /home/lynn/moko/flash/OpenMoko-openmoko-image-glibc-ipk-P1-Snapshot-20071121-fic-gta01.rootfs.jffs2
>
>
>
Why not use -a rootfs instead of -a 5 ?
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using ipkg

[Lynn Nguyen]

Hello,

I was wondering, could someone explain to me exactly how ipkg is used? What
is the point of specifying

 

in the /etc/ipkg.conf file when it seems to use the repositories listed in
/etc/ipkg/base-feed.conf?

How do you specify what repositories you want to download from?

Thanks!

L
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Mobile version of wiki.openmoko.org

[Yaroslav Halchenko]

Hi All Openmoko-ers,

I've suggested at some moment having a copy of wiki.openmoko.org so that
we could drag it along. So -- here it is ;-)

Due to the intriguing idea of tiddlywiki, few additional plugins, and
rapid replies and development from Martin Budden who crafted a mediawiki
import plugin for tiddlywiki and made a seed for wiki.openmoko,
now we can enjoy
http://om-tiddlywiki.projects.openmoko.org/openmokowiki.html


which provides you with a wiki in a single html file (thus you can
simply save it to your harddrive or directly into openmoko phone,
and you could also obtain it from alioth's file release system...
current version is at
http://projects.openmoko.org/frs/download.php/275/openmokowiki.html)

Martin crafted prefeeding seeds for wiki, I also preliminary populated
it already with some common articles (the least I could do ;-)).  If you
see a link which is in italic, if you click it, it would automatically
fetch the original article, thus if you save the file (click on "save
changes"), it will stay there until forever (or whenever you remove
it or until it got modified on sync).

Images are displayed directly from the original wiki.openmoko.org
since it would otherwise blow up the openmokowiki.html too much if they
got embedded.

Also there is a way to fetch lots of articles at once but I wouldn't
even describe on how to do it (in 2 or 3 clicks) since I think the best
scheme to use it is simply populate it with most popular and useful
articles (not just everything).

So what do you say? is it useful or is it bogus? Current version is at
alpha state and there are more of issues to be fixed, but that is just a
testing version to get filling ;)

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Re:

[Lynn Nguyen]

Hmm are there any benefits to booting from an sd card? I think I would
prefer not to if possible.

Where do you guys get your snapshots? I think I would like to just reflash
the openmoko. These are the steps I originally took... Does anyone know if I
am actually doing it right?

1. download images from
http://buildhost.openmoko.org/OM2007.2/tmp/deploy/glibc/images/neo1973/?C=M;O=D

2. flashing kernel:
# sudo su
#  ./dfu-util -a kernel -d 0x1457:0x5119 -R -D
/home/lynn/moko/flash/uImage-2.6.22.5-moko11+svnr3238-r8-neo1973.bin

3. flashing rfs
# sudo ./dfu-util -a 5 -d 0x1457:0x5119 -R -D
/home/lynn/moko/flash/OpenMoko-openmoko-image-glibc-ipk-P1-Snapshot-20071121-fic-gta01.rootfs.jffs2


I noticed that on this, the time is never right, could it be because of the
images I got? Where can get the correct images if this is the case?

Also, where do people get their ipkg feeds? Like, what sources are listed in
your /etc/ipkg.conf and /etc/ipkg/*.conf files?

Setting up is always the hardest part... Thanks in advance!

L

On Wed, Jul 30, 2008 at 2:47 AM, Al Johnson
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]>wrote:

> On Wednesday 30 July 2008, Lynn Nguyen wrote:
> > Hi all!
> >
> > Well, I'm a little new to this (as I'm sure everybody says when they are
> > posting for the first time), but I was wondering, how can I free up space
> > on the neo? Are there any packages that are not necessary? I somehow find
> > myself using up 99% of space after doing an 'upgrade'. I would like to
> > install a bunch of python modules to run pyroute (has anyone has any luck
> > with that so far?) but I keep running out of space. When I try installing
> > the modules onto an sd card, I run out of space there as well. Do python
> > modules normally take up over 400mb of space? Any help would be greatly
> > appreciated!
>
> I've not tried pyroute yet. I've done the opkg upgrade several times and
> have
> a number of python packages installed, but I'm nowhere near 99% used. I
> suspect something else may have been eating into your space, but you only
> became aware of it after the opkg upgrade.
>
> [EMAIL PROTECTED]:~# df
> Filesystem   1k-blocks  Used Available Use% Mounted on
> rootfs  252544 86420166124  34% /
> /dev/root   252544 86420166124  34% /
> tmpfs   40 040   0% /mnt/.exquisite
> /dev/root   252544 86420166124  34% /dev/.static/dev
> udev  204872  1976   4% /dev
> /dev/mmcblk0p1  495168123296371872  25% /media/card
> tmpfs63108   300 62808   0% /var/volatile
> tmpfs6310848 63060   0% /dev/shm
> [EMAIL PROTECTED]:~# opkg list_installed |grep python
> libpython2.5-1.0 - 2.5.2-ml4 -
> python-codecs - 2.5.2-ml0 -
> python-core - 2.5.2-ml0 -
> python-dbus - 0.82.4-ml4 -
> python-fcntl - 2.5.2-ml0 -
> python-io - 2.5.2-ml0 -
> python-lang - 2.5.2-ml0 -
> python-logging - 2.5.2-ml0 -
> python-math - 2.5.2-ml0 -
> python-pickle - 2.5.2-ml0 -
> python-pycairo - 1.4.0-ml1 -
> python-pygobject - 2.14.2-r0 -
> python-pygtk - 2.10.4-ml8 -
> python-pyserial - 2.2-r2 -
> python-re - 2.5.2-ml0 -
> python-readline - 2.5.2-ml0 -
> python-shell - 2.5.2-ml0 -
> python-stringold - 2.5.2-ml0 -
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Re: minimo (browser on freerunner)

[Charles-Henri Gros]

Brian C wrote:
> henrikz wrote:
>>> arne anka wrote:
>>> does it happen with the charger only or everytime you connect usb?
>>>
>> It happens both with the AC charger and the usb-cable.
>>
>> Intrestingly it doesn't freeze the keyboard when using i.e. the terminal,
>> however it messes up the key-bindings e.g.:
>>
>> With usb plugged in:
>> the minus key "-" outputs a backslash "\"
>> the "}" outputs a "∼"
>>
>> with usb unplugged the signs are output correctly!
>>
>> seems that the usb port/drivers are interfering with the matchbox-keyboard
>> :) 
> 
> I experienced the - outputting \ a few days ago and didn't realize it
> was related to the cable being connected, but I'm sure I had the cable
> connected at the time.  Nice find.

Interesting, I had the same problem but fixed it by replacing
keyboard.xml with a symlink to another version (in my case, the dvorak
version, which worked)

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Re: trying to buy a freerunner in taipei?

[carmen r]

On Thu Jul 31, 2008 at 10:31:29AM +0800, MKL23 wrote:
> 
> What is the requirements to become a distributor?
> A firm? Or personal workshop?

you know how in a major city you can find a handful of little stores usually 
operated by someone from China or Taiwan, and grab the latest ASUS, or MSI (or 
FIC) mobo?

itd be great if those places had some openmoko stock

im pretty shocked there isnt one in Taipei?

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Re: Openmoko on Design

[Charles-Henri Gros]

Marek Lindner wrote:
> On Thursday, 31. July 2008 05:24:45 Josh Monson wrote:
>> Or is Sean saying that this would be an option if it was in the form of
>> a package, so if the package was built (by the community) then you would
>> have the choice to toggle or not to toggle? I am assuming that
>> functionality was removed so that it can be an installable option and
>> not a default.
> 
> Bingo !  :-)

This might be a desirable goal, but people don't like it if they have to
spend days writing the package that's required to bring the
functionality back (which so far no one has even tried doing apparently)

I don't think anyone would have complained if you had created that
package yourself (since, presumably, you're well qualified to do it) and
made it available on the standard repo.

Right now the way to bring the keyboard back is to dig into the wiki,
decompile a theme, modify it, recompile it. A bit harder than installing
a package.

So: pretty please, could you create a package to add the option? Could
you, in the future, when you remove functionality (to make it
"optional"), create a package to get the functionality back? Or at least
warn in advance that such a package is needed, so that the community can
build the package if you don't have time?

Thanks!

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Importing contacts in FSO

[Marco Trevisan (Treviño)]

After the infos written about Qtopia/ASU and OM.GTK, how could I import 
my contacts in FSO? Milestone II is so nice!!

Maybe I should write a python script based on the zhone code or is there 
already something for doing it?

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Re: Openmoko on Design

[Marek Lindner]

On Thursday, 31. July 2008 05:24:45 Josh Monson wrote:
> Or is Sean saying that this would be an option if it was in the form of
> a package, so if the package was built (by the community) then you would
> have the choice to toggle or not to toggle? I am assuming that
> functionality was removed so that it can be an installable option and
> not a default.

Bingo !  :-)


Marek

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Re: So what should I learn and develop for?

[Matthew Lane]

Gothnet wrote:
> As a newcomer to the Openmoko scene, I've started to notice that there are a
> lot of different firmwares out there, some from Openmoko and some from other
> places.
>
> I'm a C programmer by trade with almost a decade of commercial experience,
> mostly in server/backend stuff. I want to start looking at Openmoko and the
> FreeRunner but  I'm now not sure which frameworks, firmwares and library
> sets I ought to be looking at.
>
> What's the "stable" openmoko distribution?
> Should I start working against Qtopia as it's got a wider device base and
> (probably) a larger community?
>
> I must admit I like the idea of making debian workable, but from the
> distributions page that looks like it has a long way to go before I'd get a
> workable phone out of it.
>
> What's the state of play guys?
>   
 From my (little) experience it seems that Qtopia is by far the most 
usable (as a phone), and I would say for general end-user (if you can 
even find just average end-users yet!) they are using Qtopia.  2007.2 
mostly seems to house developers, and I see a lot more power and 
potential from the 2007.2 framework, but personally I think Qtopia is 
the most stable.

It looks like future frameworks are heading towards the ASU or FSO?  I'm 
not really sure, although ASU seems to be a "merge" of 2007.2 and 
Qtopia, so perhaps that direction is what you're looking for?

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Re: Suspend / Resume

[Matthew Lane]

Balaji Rao R wrote:
> On Thu, Jul 31, 2008 at 2:12 AM, Matthew Lane <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>   
>> Hey all,
>>
>> I've been playing around quite a lot with 2007.2 and Qtopia.  I love the
>> speed behind Qtopia, but I feel very limited by it.  Anyways,  I was
>> wondering about resume & suspend.  I have read in the past there have
>> been some bugs with it and it's not entirely finished, but I was
>> wondering if my problems are common as I cannot find any documentation
>> on suspend/resume in the wiki, and not particular answers to my
>> questions in previous discussions on the mailing list.
>>
>> When suspending, GSM calls DO wake the phone up, but SMS does not?
>> Also, when I resume from a suspend, I cannot send/receive SMS?  Qtopia
>> also seems to have this problem..once I suspend I cannot receive SMS,
>> and I'm not even sure if sending works either.  Is this common?
>>
>> 
> Well, mine does wake up most of the times when I get a call, not always.
> There appears to be a bug. It does not resume reliably always. But sometimes
> I've seen it resume after a very long time. Most of the times I need
> to reboot the
> phone to get it back.
>
>   
>> Also, after resuming from a suspend, my FR tells me that my battery is
>> almost dead.  Even if the battery was at full, and my FR only suspended
>> for ~1 hr.  Is this also a common problem?
>>
>> 
> Wait for sometime after the resume, for the battery status to be reported
> correctly. There's probably a bug with reading the battery status right after
> resume.
>
>   
The battery status does eventually (usually) report correctly after a 
while.  However, I'm having a trouble getting SMS to work correctly 
after a suspend.  This appears to also happen on Qtopia, so I'm 
wondering if it's a kernel issue?

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RE: trying to buy a freerunner in taipei?

[MKL23]

What is the requirements to become a distributor?
A firm? Or personal workshop?
I've checked the wiki but nothing specific is mentioned.

Best Regards,
Mac Lin
 

> -Original Message-
> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
> [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of steve
> Sent: Tuesday, July 29, 2008 6:27 AM
> To: 'List for Openmoko community discussion'
> Subject: RE: trying to buy a freerunner in taipei?
> 
> Buy from australia.
> 
> Should be cheaper than buying from the US or EU
> 
> Also check india price.
> 
> Or become a disty and turn a problem into prosperity 
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of jollen
> Sent: Monday, July 28, 2008 8:32 AM
> To: List for Openmoko community discussion
> Subject: Re: trying to buy a freerunner in taipei?
> 
> tony wrote:
> > We (at least I do) understand that infrastructure is an issue. 
> >
> > But isnt staffing an issue? 
> >
> > If you want to have the best and most open-source oriented software 
> > developers in taipei, and the website says you do, then I would 
> > imagine that making freerunners available to the public IN TAIPEI 
> > would be
> a priority.
> >
> >   
> This is a priority.
> I said the same words when I start my eastern marketing job 
> for openmoko last year.
> I've proposed setting up sales counter in OUR office, but our 
> sales didn't make it.
> Thanks for your opinion, from our community.
> 
> > AnywaysI'm not trying to piss anyone off.  
> > Just trying to find a way, as a member of the community, to 
> > considerately let the OpenMoko staff understand how the 
> community feels.
> >   
> The infrastructure is an issue. It stops us making 
> freerunners available to the public in Taipei.
> I, doing marketing here, need to face the infrastructure 
> issue too. For example, I can't sell phone here to 
> individuals directly, can't ship phone to China, can't do 
> orders with payment and et cetera.
> 
> Anyway, please understand us.  And let me try to push sales 
> making this happened.
> > Before anyone flames me, I just want them to consider that 
> they chose 
> > to subscribe to this list and chose to read this message...
> > *tony does a humble bow*
> >
> >   
> thanks , we'll try to get it.
> 
> Regards and happy hacking,
> 
> -jollen
> 
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Re: GSM detection/identification

[Matt Joyce]

On Thu, Jul 31, 2008 at 10:38 AM, Paul Buede <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> Anybody else know what I can query or run to view available cell
> carriers at any given time?  Is this even possible?  Correct me if I am
> wrong, I am kind of making this up to try and figure out how it works:
>
>

I had a play last night, I was trying to find out what towers were contactable.
I wasn't successful, but you might be with your investigations.

The wiki has some interesting info on GSM :
http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Gsm

The AT commands to interact with the hardware are here :
http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Hardware:AT_Commands
(I wonder if they are an extension of the earlier dial up modem
commands ala Hayes?)

here's how you use the commands:
http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Gsmd#Usage_of_shell_mode

these command may work for you :

r   Register to network
R   Register to given operator (R=number)
U   Unregister from netowrk
P   Print current operator
N   Print current operator in numeric
L   List available operators
Q   Read signal quality
nr  Query network registration

As I mentioned, I wanted to find all contactable sites, but didn't
find a command for that.

Regards

Matt

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Re: ASU as daily phone, someone ?

[Wilkinson, Alex]

0n Wed, Jul 30, 2008 at 08:28:01PM -0500, Jacob Peterson wrote: 

>I have been using a FreeRunner with ASU as my main phone for the past 
couple
>of weeks and it has been working out well once I managed to find the right
>combination of kernel and packages.  It is really fun to show it off to
>people and everyone is rather impressed by it.

Did you write about it ? It is painful having to pour copious amounts of time
hacking around to make stuff work and bricking your phone in the process :(

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Re: Warranty after fix for GTA02 GPS rework for SD card interference issue

[W.Kenworthy]

and a negative - I moved the maps in tangoGPS from /tmp to the (orig
freerunner) sdcard and it only works partially or not at all.  This is
offline usage.  If I am online and I delete the map cache so tango
starts clean, it loads the maps fine - probably caches them in ram.  If
I go offline to move around, only the maps cached in ram are displayed.
I can see the files on the sd card so that part is ok.

If I use /tmp tango is fine.

BillK

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> | road.
> |
> | So, to me, GPS works great now. I had more problems with accuracy of
> | my Garmin outdoor device.
> 
> Thanks for the report Pavel, we can't be doing that bad.
> 
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Re: ASU as daily phone, someone ?

[Jacob Peterson]

On Wed, Jul 30, 2008 at 6:56 PM, "Marco Trevisan (Treviño)"
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]>wrote:

> Xavier Cremaschi ha scritto:
> > I am currently using Qtopia on Freerunner as my main/daily phone, but
> > could someone tell me if ASU would be usable too ? What will I loose (in
> > usability/functionality) with ASU ?
>
> Well, I'm trying to do that but it's not easy... Actually I neither can
> make my freerunner ring on calls (just vibrate installing the
> ringprofiles packages). I've made a script for that (that reads the
> modem output, but it's not exactly what we whould expect from a daily use
> :P
>
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I have been using a FreeRunner with ASU as my main phone for the past couple
of weeks and it has been working out well once I managed to find the right
combination of kernel and packages.  It is really fun to show it off to
people and everyone is rather impressed by it.

I haven't used Qtopia yet, so I don't know exactly what features you are
expecting.  For me all the Qtopia applications that come with ASU (Dialer,
Messages and Contacts) work fine along with the finger keyboard, gps,
switching on/off radios (through exposure) and suspend/resume.  The only
basic things I can think you would miss would be GUI managers for Bluetooth
devices, GRPS settings and wifi connections (ASU does come with Campwifi but
it is very basic).

Overall I have been very impressed with ASU and I think it will be a great
platform once the first release is out.  Since it is in such heavy
development flux right now, it took a bit of experimenting to find the right
combination of updates and filesystem/kernel images to get all the primary
features working.  I will try getting a link to my current image up shortly
if anyone wants to play around with it.
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RE: Community contributions to core apps & features. (Was: TerminalforASU)

[steve]

That's a good start thanks. 



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TerminalforASU)

steve wrote:
>If you want to start a wiki about OM. Sean is the CEO, I am the VP 
> of marketing, Wolfgang is the VP of Engineering. we announced this a long
>while ago in the press.  

First attempt: http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Employees

Based on review of all press releases at openmoko.com and looking for
openmoko.org or openmoko.com email addresses in the June/July archives of
the community, support, and documentation email lists.

This first effort likely leaves out some people and even of those listed,
official titles are often not known.

It's a wiki: please contribute to make this more complete.

Brian

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Re: uboot versions or a changelog?

[W.Kenworthy]

Thanks,much appreciated.
BillK

On Wed, 2008-07-30 at 07:50 -0700, Mike Montour wrote:
> William Kenworthy wrote:
> > Is there a list of uboot versions or a changelog?  I would like to see
> > what changes have been done from that shipped with 2007.2?
> 
> See http://git.openmoko.org/?p=u-boot.git;a=shortlog;h=stable and the 
> archives for the openmoko-kernel mailing list.
> 
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Re: GSM detection/identification

[Paul Buede]

ian douglas wrote:
> Paul Buede wrote:
>   
>> the coverage isn't great in the rural areas I find myself.  When driving
>> around, if out of reach of tmobile, it will say "registering" as if
>> there is no sim card.  But, on the little image of the antenna, that
>> shows how strong my connection is, I still have 2 bars.  Is that a bad
>> guage of connectivity?
>> 
>
>
> As far as I recall, TMobile only uses the higher-frequency band, (1800
> or 1900? I can never remember), and probably won't drop down to the
> 850MHz band unless they've signed an agreement with AT&T to piggyback on
> their lower-frequency network in the rural areas where you've been.
>
> -id
>
>
>   

Anybody else know what I can query or run to view available cell
carriers at any given time?  Is this even possible?  Correct me if I am
wrong, I am kind of making this up to try and figure out how it works:

Phone with no SIM card listens and transmits on given frequency, in
Neo's case its 1800/1900 and 850 in the US.  I assume it can see all the
various cell carriers, but cannot "register" until it has the SIM card,
which acts as a key, maybe analogous to a public key?  Once it has that,
it can register with the provider, and the provider queries its systems
to see if the SIM has an account associated, and if so what level of
service is associated with the SIM. 

Under my completely made up scenario, without a SIM I ought to be able
to see the various carriers who respond to queries, but who I cannot
register with, due to my lack of their public key (probably a bad
analogy, but its all I have right now).

Thanks, and please enlighten me.

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RE: [EMAIL PROTECTED] - non-response

[steve]

Everyone is buried in mail.

What can I do for you 

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Hello
I'm wondering has anyone receieved any response from [EMAIL PROTECTED] in
the last two weeks? I'm trying to get openmoko to resubmit info for shipping
so I can claim back provincial sales tax for my group but 3 emails to sales@
since the Friday before last and one email to a specific person I won't name
@openmoko have resulted in no replies.

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Re: ASU as daily phone, someone ?

[Marco Trevisan (Treviño)]

Xavier Cremaschi ha scritto:
> I am currently using Qtopia on Freerunner as my main/daily phone, but 
> could someone tell me if ASU would be usable too ? What will I loose (in 
> usability/functionality) with ASU ?

Well, I'm trying to do that but it's not easy... Actually I neither can 
make my freerunner ring on calls (just vibrate installing the 
ringprofiles packages). I've made a script for that (that reads the 
modem output, but it's not exactly what we whould expect from a daily use :P

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Re: community Digest, Vol 90, Issue 67

[Ryan Svoboda]

Sorry about the copy of a full digest before, and the double post now.

I just noticed that all of a sudden my ear speaker no longer works. The
speaker phone functions properly, but it causes a huge amount of feedback
for the other party.

If anyone else has tried to find warranty information about FreeRunners
purchased direct and shipped to the United States, it would be greatly
appreciated. I've searched everywhere I can think of and have found nothing
more than the "14 days" stated on the purchase website.


> From: "Ryan Svoboda" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> To: community@lists.openmoko.org
> Date: Wed, 30 Jul 2008 14:36:53 -0400
> Subject: Re: [EMAIL PROTECTED] - non-response
> Both my roommate and I have had a lot of trouble contacting anyone at
> openmoko. My roommate had trouble contacting anyone to get information about
> when his FreeRunner would ship (he had placed his order 2 hours before I,
> and recieved his a week after me due to shipping problems). I've been trying
> to contact Openmoko to have my FreeRunner repaired, since my AUX button is
> broken.
>
> I (unfortunately) had to spam everyone on the contact page
> http://www.openmoko.com/contact.html, and the only person to respond so
> far was [EMAIL PROTECTED] who was able to forward me to the person in
> charge of customer support: [EMAIL PROTECTED] My original message was
> sent 9 days ago, and my first message to Tony was sent 5 days ago
>
> Unfortunately, Tony still hasn't responded. :(
>
> Ryan
>
> On Wed, Jul 30, 2008 at 1:53 PM, <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>wrote:
>
>> Send community mailing list submissions to
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>> Today's Topics:
>>
>>   1. Re: ASU - startup broken by upgrade? (Torfinn Ingolfsen)
>>   2. Re: numptyphysics ipk (Charles Pax)
>>   3. Re: ppp support not in the kernel? (Andy Green)
>>   4. Re: Warranty after fix for GTA02 GPS rework for SD card
>>  interference  issue (Pawel Kowalak)
>>   5. RE: trying to buy a freerunner in taipei? (steve)
>>   6. RE: trying to buy a freerunner in taipei? (steve)
>>   7. [EMAIL PROTECTED] - non-response (Dave O'Connor)
>>   8. Re: GTK in Qtopia (Lorn Potter)
>>
>>
>> -- Forwarded message --
>> From: "Torfinn Ingolfsen" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>> To: "List for Openmoko community discussion" <
>> community@lists.openmoko.org>
>> Date: Wed, 30 Jul 2008 17:59:26 +0200
>> Subject: Re: ASU - startup broken by upgrade?
>> Hello,
>>
>> On Wed, Jul 30, 2008 at 7:21 PM, Mr. Morph <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>> > Please see this bug report and the workaround in the last comment:
>> > https://docs.openmoko.org/trac/ticket/1678
>>
>> Ouch1 Thats a large graft. Is it really necessary tom remove so many
>> packages?
>>
>> Ok, I'll try this.
>>
>> Hmm...
>> It doesn't seems to work for me:
>> [EMAIL PROTECTED]:~# opkg remove libecore0
>> Collected errors:
>>  * Package libecore0 is depended upon by packages:
>>  *  assassin
>>  *  e-wm
>>  *  efreet
>>  *  exquisite
>>  *  illume
>>  *  libecore-con
>>  *  libecore-evas
>>  *  libecore-fb
>>  *  libecore-file
>>  *  libecore-imf
>>  *  libecore-ipc
>>  *  libecore-job
>>  *  libecore-x
>>  *  libedbus0
>>  *  libedje0
>>  *  libefreet-mime0
>>  *  libefreet0
>>  *  libehal0
>>  *  ompower
>>  *  python-ecore
>>  *  python-edbus
>>  *  python-etk
>>  *  splinter
>>  * These might cease to work if package libecore0 is removed.
>>
>>  *  * You can force removal of this package with -force-depends.
>>  * You can force removal of this package and its dependents
>>  * with -force-removal-of-dependent-packages or -recursive
>>  * or by setting option force_removal_of_dependent_packages
>>  * in opkg.conf.
>>
>> I needed this:
>> opkg -force-depends remove libecore0
>>
>> But after that, it still doesn't work. There is a window on my X
>> screen with small text in it  (something about modules).
>> Oh well, it will get fixed sooner or later.
>> --
>> Regards,
>> Torfinn Ingolfsen
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> -- Forwarded message --
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>> To: "List for Openmoko community discussion" <
>> community@lists.openmoko.org>
>> Date: Wed, 30 Jul 2008 12:12:04 -0400
>> Subject: Re: numptyphysics ipk
>> On Wed, Jul 30, 2008 at 8:44 AM, Joseph Reeves <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>wrote:
>>
>>> Ignore me... OPKG to the rescue. This game is awesome! That's the end
>>> of my working day!
>>>
>>
>> Would someone be willing to post a video on YouTube of them playing this
>> game on their Freerunner? W

So what should I learn and develop for?

[Gothnet]

As a newcomer to the Openmoko scene, I've started to notice that there are a
lot of different firmwares out there, some from Openmoko and some from other
places.

I'm a C programmer by trade with almost a decade of commercial experience,
mostly in server/backend stuff. I want to start looking at Openmoko and the
FreeRunner but  I'm now not sure which frameworks, firmwares and library
sets I ought to be looking at.

What's the "stable" openmoko distribution?
Should I start working against Qtopia as it's got a wider device base and
(probably) a larger community?

I must admit I like the idea of making debian workable, but from the
distributions page that looks like it has a long way to go before I'd get a
workable phone out of it.

What's the state of play guys?
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Re: Anyone got a confirmation by pulster?

[Esben Stien]

"arne anka" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:

> c pulster himself, on this very list today.

I'll be a monkeys' uncle; I missed that..

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Re: Anyone got a confirmation by pulster?

[Esben Stien]

Søren Kristiansen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:

> I ordered the 1st of July

Me too;), exactly that day..

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Re: Where is FSO Milestone 2 for FreeRunner

[Stephen Pape]

I used openmoko-fso-image-glibc-ipk--20080729-om-gta02.rootfs.jffs2.summary,
seems to be working for me.

On Wed, Jul 30, 2008 at 5:08 PM, Maciej Piechotka <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>wrote:

> 1. On http://downloads.openmoko.org/framework/milestone2/ there is no
> jffs2
> image for FreeRunner. Is there any?
>
> 2. Can I expect that I'll be notified by system if I'll recive an SMS or I
> need
> to wait on M3?
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Re: Suspend / Resume

[Balaji Rao R]

On Thu, Jul 31, 2008 at 2:12 AM, Matthew Lane <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Hey all,
>
> I've been playing around quite a lot with 2007.2 and Qtopia.  I love the
> speed behind Qtopia, but I feel very limited by it.  Anyways,  I was
> wondering about resume & suspend.  I have read in the past there have
> been some bugs with it and it's not entirely finished, but I was
> wondering if my problems are common as I cannot find any documentation
> on suspend/resume in the wiki, and not particular answers to my
> questions in previous discussions on the mailing list.
>
> When suspending, GSM calls DO wake the phone up, but SMS does not?
> Also, when I resume from a suspend, I cannot send/receive SMS?  Qtopia
> also seems to have this problem..once I suspend I cannot receive SMS,
> and I'm not even sure if sending works either.  Is this common?
>
Well, mine does wake up most of the times when I get a call, not always.
There appears to be a bug. It does not resume reliably always. But sometimes
I've seen it resume after a very long time. Most of the times I need
to reboot the
phone to get it back.

> Also, after resuming from a suspend, my FR tells me that my battery is
> almost dead.  Even if the battery was at full, and my FR only suspended
> for ~1 hr.  Is this also a common problem?
>
Wait for sometime after the resume, for the battery status to be reported
correctly. There's probably a bug with reading the battery status right after
resume.

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ASU as daily phone, someone ?

[Xavier Cremaschi]

I am currently using Qtopia on Freerunner as my main/daily phone, but 
could someone tell me if ASU would be usable too ? What will I loose (in 
usability/functionality) with ASU ?

This array seems to tell me "gogogo switch to ASU!" 
http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Distributions

Having GTK+ and GPS possibilities while loosing some speed seems rather 
acceptable...

Xavier Cremaschi.


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Re: Openmoko on Design

[papa-piet]

Open Source is more than that,
do you all propose OM to sell their Software bound to the Hardware?

I fear you thing too much in the old fashined way of MObile
COmmunication. The Freerunner is a piece of Hardware *YOU DECIDE* what
software you want to run on it FSO ASU 2007.1 2007.2, SHR, ASDF or
something YOU HAVE created
*FREE YOUR CHOISE*

Think of your pc I assume the percentage of the people on this list is
really high who dislike Microsoft's politics and the fact that nearly
every OEM pc comes up with Vista.

Think of opensource projects, the most of then started within a
comunity, not a company.

If you think 2007.2 is not enouth and you feel neglected by OM Ltd. do
it yourselves. YOU can't expect a project starting from 0 full speed
within *ONE MONTH*!

When you bought the FR nobody told you: "Okay, right now the SW is
really buggy, but I swear within a month, it is gonna be perfect."

So be patient, put your power to develop the project, not to complain
that some metaphors are better than others or come up with ideas not
abuses.

be friendly, stop expecting the very best for YOU, be grateful, relax,
code, relax, come up with great ideas (like tangoGPS) relax,
communicate, stop abusing, free your choice


http://freeyourphone.de


Scott schrieb:
> Sean Moss-Pultz wrote:
>> On 7/30/08 Daniel Benoy wrote:
>>> Also, would the openmoko design team be willing to consider a  toggle
>>> in the configuration menu between manual and automatic?
>>
>> What we want is for people to add their own configuration options to
>> menus in the form of packages installable from the "Installer". This
>> is why we remove functionality. So we can focus on how to make sure
>> our products are extensible.
> 
> This seems like a bullshit answer to me. Taking functionality away
> doesn't improve the FR. It makes it less useful. Are you guys deaf or
> something?  Haven't you hear the screams from the people who plonked
> down their cold hard cash for your product about this reduction in
> functionality?
> 
> Or are you just so damn arrogant you think its your way or the highway?
> 
> If the functionality was there and you felt it should be an option, YOU
> should have made it one!  But thats not what you did. You made it
> difficult for a programmer to temporarily bring it back, and no way to
> make it a user selectable option.
> 
> bah!!
> 
> Scott
> 
> 
> 
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Re: external GSM antenna

[Scott]

I was wrong the price is for one.

$32 or $29

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Re: external GSM antenna

[Al Johnson]

You can always look for other suppliers. $29 any better for you?

http://www.componentsuperstore.com/store/ProductDetails.aspx?ProductIdentifier=MXHS83QE3000MURATA9833294

On Wednesday 30 July 2008, Scott wrote:
> Joerg,
>
> You realize the MXHS83QE3000 is $69 !!!
>
> For a itsy bitty connector?
>
> Scott
>
> Joerg Reisenweber wrote:
> > The GSM-connector to be found near one of the screws (see [disassembling
> > Neo 1973] in wiki) is:
> > MURATA MM8430-2610RB3 SMD RF TEST PORT
> >
> > For a nice fitting adapter see attached photo and:
> > http://www.google.de/search?q=MXHS83QE3000
> >
> > Sorry folks, didn't find a page to add this to wiki.
> > Hope someone else will... ;-)



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Re: external GSM antenna

[Scott]

I found another source than Mouser @ $69, who is also out of stock.

Digikey sells 10 for $32 and Futures sells 10 for $29.
10 is the min package size.

I put the links on the wiki page.

I think I'll buy a package of 10 and keep two, hopefully I can sell the 
rest here at cost.


thanks Joerg!

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Re: GTK in Qtopia

[Olivier Migeot]

On Wed, Jul 30, 2008 at 8:52 AM, Charles-Henri Gros
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> Some people are already complaining that X is slow, I can't even imagine
> what it would be if coded on top of Qt...

Some people would complain that _everything_ is slow, provided it's
not their favorite toolkit/OS/computer/car/...

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Re: Openmoko on Design

[arne anka]

> People need to stop biting the hand that feeds you.

he bit the other hand, actually.
*scnr*

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Re: Suspend / Resume

[Steven **]

Search http://docs.openmoko.org/
If you have any issues that aren't already entered, submit them to the
support list and then to the tracker if it's a confirmed bug.

-Steven

On Wed, Jul 30, 2008 at 3:42 PM, Matthew Lane <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Hey all,
>
> I've been playing around quite a lot with 2007.2 and Qtopia.  I love the
> speed behind Qtopia, but I feel very limited by it.  Anyways,  I was
> wondering about resume & suspend.  I have read in the past there have
> been some bugs with it and it's not entirely finished, but I was
> wondering if my problems are common as I cannot find any documentation
> on suspend/resume in the wiki, and not particular answers to my
> questions in previous discussions on the mailing list.
>
> When suspending, GSM calls DO wake the phone up, but SMS does not?
> Also, when I resume from a suspend, I cannot send/receive SMS?  Qtopia
> also seems to have this problem..once I suspend I cannot receive SMS,
> and I'm not even sure if sending works either.  Is this common?
>
> Also, after resuming from a suspend, my FR tells me that my battery is
> almost dead.  Even if the battery was at full, and my FR only suspended
> for ~1 hr.  Is this also a common problem?
>
> Thanks!
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Re: Openmoko on Design

[Josh Monson]

Scott wrote:
> Sean Moss-Pultz wrote:
>> On 7/30/08 Daniel Benoy wrote:
>>> Also, would the openmoko design team be willing to consider a  toggle 
>>> in the configuration menu between manual and automatic?
>>
>> What we want is for people to add their own configuration options to 
>> menus in the form of packages installable from the "Installer". This 
>> is why we remove functionality. So we can focus on how to make sure 
>> our products are extensible.
> 
> This seems like a bullshit answer to me. Taking functionality away 
> doesn't improve the FR. It makes it less useful. Are you guys deaf or 
> something?  Haven't you hear the screams from the people who plonked 
> down their cold hard cash for your product about this reduction in 
> functionality?
> 
> Or are you just so damn arrogant you think its your way or the highway?
> 
> If the functionality was there and you felt it should be an option, YOU 
> should have made it one!  But thats not what you did. You made it 
> difficult for a programmer to temporarily bring it back, and no way to 
> make it a user selectable option.
> 
> bah!!
> 
> Scott
> 
> 
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Or is Sean saying that this would be an option if it was in the form of 
a package, so if the package was built (by the community) then you would 
have the choice to toggle or not to toggle? I am assuming that 
functionality was removed so that it can be an installable option and 
not a default. Sean?

Maybe asking for more information on why, or a more in-depth explanation 
would be appropriate.

Tone down the negativity and just post the question. Constructive 
criticism is needed for things to move forward, but you can at least be 
respectfull. I think if OM answered you in the same rhetoric you are 
asking questions and throwing flames that you would find it offensive.

Yes, things need to be improved and yes things are not exactly how 
everyone wants them. OM has as least opened this up so your input can be 
received NOW, they could have kept this completely closed for the next 
year and we would still all be waiting...

People need to stop biting the hand that feeds you.


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Re: external GSM antenna

[Scott]

Joerg,

You realize the MXHS83QE3000 is $69 !!!

For a itsy bitty connector?

Scott

Joerg Reisenweber wrote:
The GSM-connector to be found near one of the screws (see [disassembling Neo 
1973] in wiki) is:

MURATA MM8430-2610RB3 SMD RF TEST PORT

For a nice fitting adapter see attached photo and:
http://www.google.de/search?q=MXHS83QE3000

Sorry folks, didn't find a page to add this to wiki.
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Where is FSO Milestone 2 for FreeRunner

[Maciej Piechotka]

1. On http://downloads.openmoko.org/framework/milestone2/ there is no jffs2
image for FreeRunner. Is there any?

2. Can I expect that I'll be notified by system if I'll recive an SMS or I need
to wait on M3?

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Re: illume keyboard button (was Openmoko on Design)

[The Rasterman]

On Wed, 30 Jul 2008 15:01:52 +0200 Andreas Bogk <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> babbled:

as its just a button provided by the theme - the theme determines if the ui
element is there or not - the code will still respond to the signal from the
theme saying 'someone pressed the keyboard toggle". the idea here is that now
the designer can decide if the button is there or not, where it is, how it
looks, how you interact with it etc. - and the designers have spoken that it is
not to be there. it is up to you to provide a package of your own that changes
this.

otherwise you;ll just have to wait until i get to changing how it works.

> Dear community and OM Powers That Be,
> 
> I have read the "Openmoko on Design" thread with a certain alienation. 
> I'll try to resist the temptation to pick up one of the many flame 
> baits, but even after sleeping it over for a night, I feel inclined to 
> comment on the issue here.
> 
> First, I think that the complaints of users about "the phone should know 
> when it expects keyboard input, and automatically bring up the keyboard" 
> are right.  The work going into this direction is correct.
> 
> However, there are situations when a manual override is needed.  The 
> automatic detection could be wrong, for instance.  But much more 
> important: the user could be in a situation where keyboard input is 
> theoretically possible, but not currently desired, because the keyboard 
> is taking away screen real estate.  This happened to me yesterday, when 
> I was sitting in the train, and reading some code using the terminal 
> application.
> 
> So, in my opinion, the decision to remove the button is incorrect.  Even 
> more so, the strong reaction of the users should have been an indication 
> that the decision was incorrect.  It's always a good idea to listen to 
> your users.
> 
> It has been said that, since OpenMoko is an open project, the community 
> has the chance to come up with a different solution.  Now let's take a 
> look at what the community (read: folks who actually write code instead 
> of participating in lengthy discussions) did, the day the button was 
> removed from illume:
> 
> http://gitweb.openembedded.net/?p=org.openembedded.dev.git;a=blob;f=packages/openmoko-projects/illume/configure-keyboard.patch;h=589fe53f38afc59be95a13ed67a9f9d1fc452148;hb=HEAD
> 
> They re-enabled the feature in their branch, and went on with their 
> life.  However, the patch stopped applying this morning, and I had to 
> lock down illume to r170.
> 
> Raster: if you could make the keyboard button a configuration option, as 
>   in the above patch, you'd make me and a couple of other people happy. 
>   Thanks in advance.
> 
> Andreas
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Re: Openmoko on Design

[Scott]

Sean Moss-Pultz wrote:

On 7/30/08 Daniel Benoy wrote:
Also, would the openmoko design team be willing to consider a  toggle 
in the configuration menu between manual and automatic?


What we want is for people to add their own configuration options to 
menus in the form of packages installable from the "Installer". This is 
why we remove functionality. So we can focus on how to make sure our 
products are extensible.


This seems like a bullshit answer to me. Taking functionality away 
doesn't improve the FR. It makes it less useful. Are you guys deaf or 
something?  Haven't you hear the screams from the people who plonked 
down their cold hard cash for your product about this reduction in 
functionality?


Or are you just so damn arrogant you think its your way or the highway?

If the functionality was there and you felt it should be an option, YOU 
should have made it one!  But thats not what you did. You made it 
difficult for a programmer to temporarily bring it back, and no way to 
make it a user selectable option.


bah!!

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Re: Anyone got a confirmation by pulster?

[arne anka]

>> pulster got new phones on 25.07.
> Says who?. It's never confirmed anywhere..

c pulster himself, on this very list today.

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Re: external GSM antenna

[Dale Schumacher]

On Wed, Jul 30, 2008 at 1:11 PM, Joerg Reisenweber <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> The GSM-connector to be found near one of the screws (see [disassembling Neo
> 1973] in wiki) is:
> MURATA MM8430-2610RB3 SMD RF TEST PORT
>
> For a nice fitting adapter see attached photo and:
> http://www.google.de/search?q=MXHS83QE3000

Just to avoid (more) confusion.  The photo called "gps-adapter.jpg" is
actually a GSM adapter, not GPS, right?

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Suspend / Resume

[Matthew Lane]

Hey all,

I've been playing around quite a lot with 2007.2 and Qtopia.  I love the 
speed behind Qtopia, but I feel very limited by it.  Anyways,  I was 
wondering about resume & suspend.  I have read in the past there have 
been some bugs with it and it's not entirely finished, but I was 
wondering if my problems are common as I cannot find any documentation 
on suspend/resume in the wiki, and not particular answers to my 
questions in previous discussions on the mailing list.

When suspending, GSM calls DO wake the phone up, but SMS does not?  
Also, when I resume from a suspend, I cannot send/receive SMS?  Qtopia 
also seems to have this problem..once I suspend I cannot receive SMS, 
and I'm not even sure if sending works either.  Is this common?

Also, after resuming from a suspend, my FR tells me that my battery is 
almost dead.  Even if the battery was at full, and my FR only suspended 
for ~1 hr.  Is this also a common problem?

Thanks!

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Re: Ringtone Question

[Dale Schumacher]

On Wed, Jul 30, 2008 at 3:28 AM, Iker Berasaluce <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>>
>> My Freerunner hasn't arrived yet; when it does I'll check this out, it
>> should be fairly easy to write a shell script which will convert any
>> sound into a ringtone. It would be nice if there was an app on the
>> phone itself to do it too...
>>
>> Chris.
>>
>> ___
>>
> Would be nice, indeed. My FR didn't arrive as well, but I was thinking in
> doing something the ringtone issue, although I dind't come out with the
> convert-any-sounf-in-ringtone idea.
> It would worth a try .

Some people have commented that the Freerunner ring-tone has a fixed
built-in playing-time/repeat-rate.  I don't know if there is any truth
to that, but it would certainly affect your attempts to create
alternate ring-tones.

Good luck.  I look forward to seeing your results!  Ring-tone
customization seems like one of the first user-applied mods for many
users.

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Re: Anyone got a confirmation by pulster?

[Søren Kristiansen]

Just out of curiousity: when did you place your orders? I ordered the 1st of
July and ended up in the 15th of August batch.


Esben Stien wrote:
> 
> kazaam <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
> 
>> pulster got new phones on 25.07. 
> 
> Says who?. It's never confirmed anywhere..
> 
>> Has anyone of those who already paid for the phone got a message
>> that their phone is already sent to them?
> 
> Yours truly. Still awaiting that email, hitting g (get mail) extremely
> often these days;).
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Re: external GSM antenna

[Brian Wilson]

Added wiki page

http://wiki.openmoko.org/index.php?title=External_GSM_Antenna

Brian

On Wed, Jul 30, 2008 at 11:11 AM, Joerg Reisenweber <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> The GSM-connector to be found near one of the screws (see [disassembling Neo
> 1973] in wiki) is:
> MURATA MM8430-2610RB3 SMD RF TEST PORT
>
> For a nice fitting adapter see attached photo and:
> http://www.google.de/search?q=MXHS83QE3000
>
> Sorry folks, didn't find a page to add this to wiki.
> Hope someone else will... ;-

>
> HTH
> jOERG

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Re: Anyone got a confirmation by pulster?

[Esben Stien]

kazaam <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:

> pulster got new phones on 25.07. 

Says who?. It's never confirmed anywhere..

> Has anyone of those who already paid for the phone got a message
> that their phone is already sent to them?

Yours truly. Still awaiting that email, hitting g (get mail) extremely
often these days;).

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Re: Which AT&T data plans are compatible?

[Josh Monson]

Jay Vaughan wrote:
>> My question, and apologies for not being specific enough, was to allow
>> the FR to host a website (maybe just w/ redirects or not) and/or an  
>> ftp
>> server.
>> Being able to ssh into my phone over the public internet and or serve
>> content would be phenomenal. Has anyone dug into this?
> 
> 
> i have my freerunner connected to my local WLAN and am ssh'ing into it  
> that way, instead of using the usb-ether approach, and it works very  
> well.  quite fun, in fact, to have it stay in the pocket of my shirt  
> and still keep hacking away from the laptop.  as long as you can get  
> your freerunner on the WLAN and give it an ip address just like any  
> other host, you can get into it.  as far as using it as a web server,  
> for sure openembedded has lighthttp and even a pared down (or is it  
> bloated, i forget?) apache too, so thats entirely feasible.
> 
> ;
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> 
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Re: ppp support not in the kernel?

[Andy Green]

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Somebody in the thread at some point said:
|> It's one of those lovely situations that someone is not going to be
|> happy either way :-)  I have made the patch for this and will send it
|> out on kernel list as an RFC.
|
|
| really, though, root-on-nfs is a common use case for Freerunner?  in
| which case, we may as well add a tftpboot option to the default u-boot
| menu, no?

There is more than one valid request going into this issue... although I
personally reject NFS boot as evil, it's an established "way".

The only person we heard is using it so far is Mickey Lauer.  I have
really great luck with SD Card rootfs solution instead and maybe that
can be a way forward for him too, in which case the way is clear.

If you want a tftp boot action in U-Boot, you know patches are welcome,
but I ain't going to write it: I think it is wrongheaded like NFS.

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Re: numptyphysics ipk

[Michael Kluge]

>>> btw, can you put the source up somewhere, modified for the freerunner?
>> Sure. I put everything I changed (including my first try for the bb recipe)
>> into this tgz:
>>
>> http://wwwpub.zih.tu-dresden.de/~mkluge/numptyphysics_setup.tgz
> 
> Amazing. I have sanitized the bitbake recipe and put it into OE. 

Cool. I need to take a look and see what I missed :)

> It would be 
> cool, if you could distribute a patch against the original sources though 
> rather than the new files.

Yes. This was just a first quick hack. I have contact with the original 
author and there needs to be fixes to support arbitrary screen 
resolutions. The x,y coordinates in the level files are mapped 1:1 to 
the screen at the moment. There is a perl script that converted the 
800x480 resolution of the n800 to 480x... . This is probably the first 
thing to work on. And maybe bigger squares in the edit popup.

> I bet upstream would appreciate that as well.

Yes, Tim (the original author) suggested the things above and takes 
patches. I will be on vacation for the next two weeks, but will probably 
work on this afterwards. It would be cool if the landscape bug would be 
fixed than. This would probably double the fun :)

  > From next release on, it will be installed in FSO by default (see
> http://scap.linuxtogo.org/files/1563393fc2dda9657dbc50e6582950ae.png) -- I 
> hope that doesn't kill productivity too much ;)


Michael

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Re: numptyphysics ipk

[Charles Pax]

On Wed, Jul 30, 2008 at 2:51 PM, Jay Vaughan <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> Certainly I'd be willing to do a video of it, as it is very addictive
> and I do enjoy playing it, but I think some of the user interface
> glitches need to be fixed first .. it'd make for a smoother demo, and
> we really need to keep in mind in this day of the Jesus Phone, that
> any little nit matters.  We can't demo something where you can't
> select one of the 'go to next level' buttons, for example ..
>
> ;
> --
> Jay Vaughan
>

Point taken. Do you think enough things will be worked out over the next few
days such that it can be demoed at LinuxWorld?

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Re: Warranty after fix for GTA02 GPS rework for SD card interference issue

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Somebody in the thread at some point said:

| I drove here almost 100km/h (but don't tell anyone) on max zoom, to
| read tiles faster from the card. As you can see, no jump offs from the
| road.
|
| So, to me, GPS works great now. I had more problems with accuracy of
| my Garmin outdoor device.

Thanks for the report Pavel, we can't be doing that bad.

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Re: numptyphysics ipk

[Jay Vaughan]

> then simply vi list.txt whenever I need to know the exact name of  
> anything.


also do 'opkg list_installed >installed.txt' whenever you want to  
check whats onboard your freerunner already - i found its helpful to  
have such a list when you are doing frequent image swaps and upgrades  
and if you do it after a fresh image install, and then again before  
you wipe the image, you can get a diff of only those things you  
personally installed in the meantime.

one thing i'd like for opkg to have is the ability to maintain a  
complete 'set' of installed packages in a database i can put on  
another system and do a 'sync' with ..

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Re: Which AT&T data plans are compatible?

[Jay Vaughan]

> My question, and apologies for not being specific enough, was to allow
> the FR to host a website (maybe just w/ redirects or not) and/or an  
> ftp
> server.
> Being able to ssh into my phone over the public internet and or serve
> content would be phenomenal. Has anyone dug into this?


i have my freerunner connected to my local WLAN and am ssh'ing into it  
that way, instead of using the usb-ether approach, and it works very  
well.  quite fun, in fact, to have it stay in the pocket of my shirt  
and still keep hacking away from the laptop.  as long as you can get  
your freerunner on the WLAN and give it an ip address just like any  
other host, you can get into it.  as far as using it as a web server,  
for sure openembedded has lighthttp and even a pared down (or is it  
bloated, i forget?) apache too, so thats entirely feasible.

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Re: Warranty after fix for GTA02 GPS rework for SD card interference issue

[Jay Vaughan]

> So, to me, GPS works great now. I had more problems with accuracy of
> my Garmin outdoor device.
>

on todays drive home i also did a trace - and got wildly sporadic  
results when tangogps had to read maps again off the disk .. i do not  
have the latest kernel, however, as it doesn't appear to have  
propagated to my device yet.


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Re: ppp support not in the kernel?

[Jay Vaughan]

> It's one of those lovely situations that someone is not going to be
> happy either way :-)  I have made the patch for this and will send it
> out on kernel list as an RFC.


really, though, root-on-nfs is a common use case for Freerunner?  in  
which case, we may as well add a tftpboot option to the default u-boot  
menu, no?

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Re: numptyphysics ipk

[Jay Vaughan]

> Would someone be willing to post a video on YouTube of them playing  
> this game on their Freerunner? When Crayon Physics came out people  
> flipped when they saw it running on a tablet. I think a video on  
> YouTube would help get Openmoko some additional exposure.


Certainly I'd be willing to do a video of it, as it is very addictive  
and I do enjoy playing it, but I think some of the user interface  
glitches need to be fixed first .. it'd make for a smoother demo, and  
we really need to keep in mind in this day of the Jesus Phone, that  
any little nit matters.  We can't demo something where you can't  
select one of the 'go to next level' buttons, for example ..

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Re: numptyphysics ipk

[Greg Bonett]

Thank you, I was trying to use the opkg search function but list works
much better for me.

> Greg Bonett schrieb:
>> how did you get libsdl installed?
>>
>> opkg install libsdl doesn't work for me
>
> Try this:
>
> opkg install libsdl-1.2-0
>
> In general, if I'm looking for a specific package, I use
>
> opkg list | grep $EXPRESSION
>
> in this case opkg list | grep libsdl helped me.
>
> HTH,
> Konstantin
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Re: numptyphysics ipk

[Al Johnson]

On Wednesday 30 July 2008, Greg Bonett wrote:
> how did you get libsdl installed?
>
> opkg install libsdl doesn't work for me

opkg complained it couldn't meet dependencies for libsdl and libsdl-image, but 
opkg list_installed showed they were already installed. I just installed 
with -nodeps and it works fine. I guess there's something odd about the 
dependency definition in the package.


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Re: numptyphysics ipk

[Chaosspawn23]

Greg Bonett schrieb:
> how did you get libsdl installed?
> 
> opkg install libsdl doesn't work for me

Try this:

opkg install libsdl-1.2-0

In general, if I'm looking for a specific package, I use

opkg list | grep $EXPRESSION

in this case opkg list | grep libsdl helped me.

HTH,
Konstantin

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Re: [EMAIL PROTECTED] - non-response

[Ryan Svoboda]

Both my roommate and I have had a lot of trouble contacting anyone at
openmoko. My roommate had trouble contacting anyone to get information about
when his FreeRunner would ship (he had placed his order 2 hours before I,
and recieved his a week after me due to shiiping problems). I've been trying
to contact Openmoko to have my FreeRunner repaired, since my AUX button is
broken.

I (unfortunately) had to spam everyone on the contact page
http://www.openmoko.com/contact.html, and the only person to respond so far
was [EMAIL PROTECTED] who was able to forward me to the person in charge
of customer support: [EMAIL PROTECTED] My original message was sent 9 days
ago, and my first message to Tony was sent 5 days ago

Unfortunately, Tony still hasn't responded. :(

Ryan

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>   1. Re: ASU - startup broken by upgrade? (Torfinn Ingolfsen)
>   2. Re: numptyphysics ipk (Charles Pax)
>   3. Re: ppp support not in the kernel? (Andy Green)
>   4. Re: Warranty after fix for GTA02 GPS rework for SD card
>  interference  issue (Pawel Kowalak)
>   5. RE: trying to buy a freerunner in taipei? (steve)
>   6. RE: trying to buy a freerunner in taipei? (steve)
>   7. [EMAIL PROTECTED] - non-response (Dave O'Connor)
>   8. Re: GTK in Qtopia (Lorn Potter)
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> To: "List for Openmoko community discussion"  >
> Date: Wed, 30 Jul 2008 17:59:26 +0200
> Subject: Re: ASU - startup broken by upgrade?
> Hello,
>
> On Wed, Jul 30, 2008 at 7:21 PM, Mr. Morph <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > Please see this bug report and the workaround in the last comment:
> > https://docs.openmoko.org/trac/ticket/1678
>
> Ouch1 Thats a large graft. Is it really necessary tom remove so many
> packages?
>
> Ok, I'll try this.
>
> Hmm...
> It doesn't seems to work for me:
> [EMAIL PROTECTED]:~# opkg remove libecore0
> Collected errors:
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> I needed this:
> opkg -force-depends remove libecore0
>
> But after that, it still doesn't work. There is a window on my X
> screen with small text in it  (something about modules).
> Oh well, it will get fixed sooner or later.
> --
> Regards,
> Torfinn Ingolfsen
>
>
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> To: "List for Openmoko community discussion"  >
> Date: Wed, 30 Jul 2008 12:12:04 -0400
> Subject: Re: numptyphysics ipk
> On Wed, Jul 30, 2008 at 8:44 AM, Joseph Reeves <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>wrote:
>
>> Ignore me... OPKG to the rescue. This game is awesome! That's the end
>> of my working day!
>>
>
> Would someone be willing to post a video on YouTube of them playing this
> game on their Freerunner? When Crayon Physics came out people flipped when
> they saw it running on a tablet. I think a video on YouTube would help get
> Openmoko some additional exposure.
>
> -Charles Pax
>
>
>
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> Somebody in the thread at some point said:
> |> I read about it, I am sympathetic to it, give me some time to clear
> |> some
> |> other critical problems.
> |
> | okay, understood.
> |
> |> I did wonder if anyone is mounting NFS over it and that is why it is a
> |> built-in.
> |
> |
> | i would think that the ability to mount the freerunner as a filesystem
> | is a bit more higher priority than supporting the rare cases where
> 

Re: numptyphysics ipk

[Michael 'Mickey' Lauer]

Am Mittwoch 30 Juli 2008 16:06:33 schrieb Michael Kluge:
> Am Mittwoch, 30. Juli 2008 16:01:02 schrieb Jay Vaughan:
> > btw, can you put the source up somewhere, modified for the freerunner?
>
> Sure. I put everything I changed (including my first try for the bb recipe)
> into this tgz:
>
> http://wwwpub.zih.tu-dresden.de/~mkluge/numptyphysics_setup.tgz

Amazing. I have sanitized the bitbake recipe and put it into OE. It would be 
cool, if you could distribute a patch against the original sources though 
rather than the new files.

I bet upstream would appreciate that as well.

>From next release on, it will be installed in FSO by default (see 
http://scap.linuxtogo.org/files/1563393fc2dda9657dbc50e6582950ae.png) -- I 
hope that doesn't kill productivity too much ;)

Great work, thanks!

-- 
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Re: numptyphysics ipk

[Joseph Reeves]

opkg install libsdl-1.2-0
opkg install libsdl-image-1.2-0

opkg is a bit annoying in the fact that you can't use tab to
autocomplete package names, so I ran:

opkg list > list.txt

then simply vi list.txt whenever I need to know the exact name of anything.

Joseph



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Re: numptyphysics ipk

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how did you get libsdl installed?

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RE: Which AT&T data plans are compatible?

[Josh Monson]

Thanks for the response regarding the wireless connectivity in a
home/business, yes that makes sense and I can connect that way.

My question, and apologies for not being specific enough, was to allow
the FR to host a website (maybe just w/ redirects or not) and/or an ftp
server.
Being able to ssh into my phone over the public internet and or serve
content would be phenomenal. Has anyone dug into this?

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>
> I can do that, if my phone is connected to my home wireless network.
>

Likewise, but it would be nice if we had some dyndns support pre- 
configured so that Freerunners everywhere could function, rightly so,  
as pocket-based web servers.  I love the idea of being able to see,  
physically on the screen, whenever someone is downloading something  
from the webserver in my phone.  This would be *Fantastic* for  
software delivery services for a new realm of independent  
developers .. ;)


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external GSM antenna

[Joerg Reisenweber]

The GSM-connector to be found near one of the screws (see [disassembling Neo 
1973] in wiki) is:
MURATA MM8430-2610RB3 SMD RF TEST PORT

For a nice fitting adapter see attached photo and:
http://www.google.de/search?q=MXHS83QE3000

Sorry folks, didn't find a page to add this to wiki.
Hope someone else will... ;-)

HTH
jOERG
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Re: numptyphysics ipk

[Al Johnson]

On Wednesday 30 July 2008, Michael Kluge wrote:
> Hi all,
>
> the first build for the ipk for numptyphysics can be grabbed here:
>
> http://wwwpub.zih.tu-dresden.de/~mkluge/numptyphysics_0.2_armv4t.ipk
>
> For usage etc. see the project home page:
>
> http://numptyphysics.garage.maemo.org

Great fun, thanks!

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RE: WIKI still a POS

[steve]

Perfectly put

   

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[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Brian Wilson
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Subject: Re: WIKI still a POS

Maybe you are not happy because you think it's just a phone. To me it's a
complete programmable handheld computer which happens to have a GSM phone
feature. The phone is a fairly insignificant feature for some of us. If all
you want is a phone, go to the supermarket, they have really nice ones there
that don't come with any significant documentation. I use one myself.

I am trying to develop GPS software for the OM. I have had about 15 minutes
a day to work on it so far but it's been fun. I don't really care (much)
about navigation features, I care about data collection.
The competition is not TangoGPS or Garmin or Tom-Tom or anything OM is
likely to come out with.

Therefore documentation is vitally important to me.

Incidentally I borrowed a friend's T-Mobile SIM card and tried the phone
feature yesterday. It worked fine (including the documentation).

Brian

On Tue, Jul 29, 2008 at 7:20 AM, Steven ** <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> A phone that NEEDS documentation is a POS.
>
> In my mind, the Neo won't be ready for end-users unless I can give it 
> to one of my co-workers and they can figure almost everything out 
> without documentation.
>
> -Steven

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Re: GTK in Qtopia

[Lorn Potter]

On Wednesday 30 July 2008 4:52:25 pm Charles-Henri Gros wrote:
> > Back in the glorious days of Qtopia2 (o zauri, where are thou?), 
there
> > was an X server running on top of Qt-embedded. I'm pretty sure it
> > stalled since then, but one can give it a try
> > (http://xqt.sourceforge.jp/).
> >
> > BTW, it might have been a quicker way to reach the "let's run 
random X
> > apps aside Qtopia ones" goal without porting the whole Qtopia to 
X11.
> > Just the other way around, I guess.
>
> Some people are already complaining that X is slow, I can't even 
imagine
> what it would be if coded on top of Qt...

xqt was actually quite usable, even on the old zaurus.

-- 
Lorn 'ljp' Potter
Software Engineer, Systems Group, Trolltech, a Nokia company


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[EMAIL PROTECTED] - non-response

[Dave O'Connor]

Hello
I'm wondering has anyone receieved any response from [EMAIL PROTECTED] in 
the last two weeks? I'm trying to get openmoko to resubmit info for 
shipping so I can claim back provincial sales tax for my group but 3 
emails to sales@ since the Friday before last and one email to a specific 
person I won't name @openmoko have resulted in no replies.

Regards
Dave

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RE: trying to buy a freerunner in taipei?

[steve]

thanks fred

  _  

From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Sent: Monday, July 28, 2008 7:19 PM
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There is a group sales organized in Australia, the group just got the first
60 devices in. The final price in Australia was AUD$440 I think.. There is a
second group buy getting organized now. See the group page on the Openmoko
wiki.

Fred


On Tue, Jul 29, 2008 at 07:32, david varnes <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:


Steve,

there is a distributor in Australia ?

Who / where ?
No indication on the distributor's page of your shop.

A bunch of Australians would like to make a purchase too  :-)

thanks muchly
davidv



On Tue, Jul 29, 2008 at 8:27 AM, steve <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Buy from australia.
>
> Should be cheaper than buying from the US or EU
>
> Also check india price.
>
> Or become a disty and turn a problem into prosperity
>


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RE: trying to buy a freerunner in taipei?

[steve]

 
Harry,
  can you adress this
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Steve,

there is a distributor in Australia ?

Who / where ?
No indication on the distributor's page of your shop.

A bunch of Australians would like to make a purchase too  :-)

thanks muchly
davidv


On Tue, Jul 29, 2008 at 8:27 AM, steve <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Buy from australia.
>
> Should be cheaper than buying from the US or EU
>
> Also check india price.
>
> Or become a disty and turn a problem into prosperity
>

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Re: Warranty after fix for GTA02 GPS rework for SD card interference issue

[Pawel Kowalak]

> | Track is very accurate (no jump-offs the road) in the city.  
> Earlier I
> | used Garmin
> | GPS60 and tracks from it were way worse than from FR.
> |
> | I used today's kernel and u-boot.
>
> That's pretty encouraging, thanks.


Hi again,

I made another test, driving back home. This time, I zoomed to lvl 17  
(maximum) and saved track again. I got fix from 8 satellites (10  
visible) after second turn (about 1 minute). I have pre-cached map of  
my city on SD card (2GB sandisk). Here is the first part of the track:

http://img222.imageshack.us/img222/8456/test1ru8.jpg

At the begining I was completly off-road until I clicked 'autocenter',  
when it moved me to correct location (straight line is the offset), so  
I think it is TangoGPS bug. Then normal drive in traffic / traffic  
lights, etc. (on zoom=17).

Here is another part of the track:

http://img222.imageshack.us/img222/9179/test2yj5.jpg

I drove here almost 100km/h (but don't tell anyone) on max zoom, to  
read tiles faster from the card. As you can see, no jump offs from the  
road.

So, to me, GPS works great now. I had more problems with accuracy of  
my Garmin outdoor device.

BR,
Pawel


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Re: ppp support not in the kernel?

[Andy Green]

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Somebody in the thread at some point said:
|> I read about it, I am sympathetic to it, give me some time to clear
|> some
|> other critical problems.
|
| okay, understood.
|
|> I did wonder if anyone is mounting NFS over it and that is why it is a
|> built-in.
|
|
| i would think that the ability to mount the freerunner as a filesystem
| is a bit more higher priority than supporting the rare cases where
| someone is doing an nfs-root boot, no?

It's one of those lovely situations that someone is not going to be
happy either way :-)  I have made the patch for this and will send it
out on kernel list as an RFC.

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Re: numptyphysics ipk

[Charles Pax]

On Wed, Jul 30, 2008 at 8:44 AM, Joseph Reeves <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>wrote:

> Ignore me... OPKG to the rescue. This game is awesome! That's the end
> of my working day!
>

Would someone be willing to post a video on YouTube of them playing this
game on their Freerunner? When Crayon Physics came out people flipped when
they saw it running on a tablet. I think a video on YouTube would help get
Openmoko some additional exposure.

-Charles Pax
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Re: ASU - startup broken by upgrade?

[Torfinn Ingolfsen]

Hello,

On Wed, Jul 30, 2008 at 7:21 PM, Mr. Morph <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Please see this bug report and the workaround in the last comment:
> https://docs.openmoko.org/trac/ticket/1678

Ouch1 Thats a large graft. Is it really necessary tom remove so many packages?

Ok, I'll try this.

Hmm...
It doesn't seems to work for me:
[EMAIL PROTECTED]:~# opkg remove libecore0
Collected errors:
 * Package libecore0 is depended upon by packages:
 *  assassin
 *  e-wm
 *  efreet
 *  exquisite
 *  illume
 *  libecore-con
 *  libecore-evas
 *  libecore-fb
 *  libecore-file
 *  libecore-imf
 *  libecore-ipc
 *  libecore-job
 *  libecore-x
 *  libedbus0
 *  libedje0
 *  libefreet-mime0
 *  libefreet0
 *  libehal0
 *  ompower
 *  python-ecore
 *  python-edbus
 *  python-etk
 *  splinter
 * These might cease to work if package libecore0 is removed.

 *  * You can force removal of this package with -force-depends.
 * You can force removal of this package and its dependents
 * with -force-removal-of-dependent-packages or -recursive
 * or by setting option force_removal_of_dependent_packages
 * in opkg.conf.

I needed this:
opkg -force-depends remove libecore0

But after that, it still doesn't work. There is a window on my X
screen with small text in it  (something about modules).
Oh well, it will get fixed sooner or later.
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RE: Openmoko on Design

[steve]

Actually Jay,

The book is about behavior and biology and how we perceive things. But let's
not argue.
Let's solve your problem.. How can I help?

Steve 

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> If you go read Morse Peckham's book
> http://www.amazon.com/Mans-Rage-Chaos-Biology-Behavior/dp/080520142
> You will understand how museuems and gallery's function; and, Sean's 
> words will strike you more deeply.


Its all well and good when you're dealing with art students, but when you
hope to sell 1,000 Freerunners as the base hardware platform for a
multinational operation, it doesn't sell too well.

Sorry.

;
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Re: ppp support not in the kernel?

[Jay Vaughan]

> I read about it, I am sympathetic to it, give me some time to clear  
> some
> other critical problems.

okay, understood.

>
> I did wonder if anyone is mounting NFS over it and that is why it is a
> built-in.


i would think that the ability to mount the freerunner as a filesystem  
is a bit more higher priority than supporting the rare cases where  
someone is doing an nfs-root boot, no?

;
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Re: ASU - startup broken by upgrade?

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Torfinn Ingolfsen wrote:
| Hello,
|
| It seems that today's 'opkg upgrade' broke the startup on my
| FreeRunner (I'm using ASU).
| /etc/init.d/rc complain that it can't find splash-write.
| [...]
| Regards,
| Torfinn Ingolfsen
|

Please see this bug report and the workaround in the last comment:
https://docs.openmoko.org/trac/ticket/1678

Regards,
morphis

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Re: Best UK data plan?

[Gothnet]

My bad - I meant 3GB a month, unrestricted on what you can do with it.

I don't think it's only 3G traffic, at least I couldn't find any reference
to anything differentiating which technology you could use. The only plan
differences I could see were whether you were allowed to use the phone as a
modem for a laptop (Mobile Broadband) or not (Web'n'Walk).

Guess we'll see when the first bill comes in!



arne anka wrote:
> 
>> "Mobile Broadband Plus" add-on. 12.50 for 3G a month unrestricted use.
> 
> would it be technically possible to use a 3G data plan with a 2.5G device?
> 3G is umts, 2.5G gprs -- i would imagine t-online does not allow you to  
> use a umts plan with gprs.
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Re: Best UK data plan?

[arne anka]

> "Mobile Broadband Plus" add-on. 12.50 for 3G a month unrestricted use.

would it be technically possible to use a 3G data plan with a 2.5G device?
3G is umts, 2.5G gprs -- i would imagine t-online does not allow you to  
use a umts plan with gprs.

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Re: Request for help: Would like community applications to show anddiscuss at LinuxWorld

[Julien Cassignol]

On Tue, Jul 29, 2008 at 12:38 PM, John Lee <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> since OM will stick with fso in the foreseeable future, I think port
> OM2007.2 app suites to fso is a logical move.  ogpsd is there based on
> gypsy, and it should be just another backend of tangogps.

Just so you know, the main goal of the Stable Hybrid Release (SHR :
http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/SHR) is to port applications from 2007.2
to FSO.

We have already ported GSM Panel, and we're currently building the
dialer. As soon as all of that stuff will be done, it should be usable
as is on FSO, or on our image which will, in the end, be either an
installation of the "new" frameworkd on old 2007.2, or some basic
packages to install on FSO.

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Best UK data plan?

[Gothnet]

Hi all,

I'm expecting my FreeRunner in the next day or so (thanks Truebox) and was
wondering if any other UK users had come across any good data tariffs?

I've got myself a SIM card from T-Mobile with their Solo 15 package, and
managed to persuade the guy in the shop to try selling it to me with their
"Mobile Broadband Plus" add-on. 12.50 for 3G a month unrestricted use. This
combination's not on their lists or their website and head office said it
couldn't be done, but for once "computer says yes" in store.

It's only a month's rolling contract so - anyone found a better one?
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Re: illume keyboard button (was Openmoko on Design)

[Holger Freyther]

On Wednesday 30 July 2008 15:01:52 Andreas Bogk wrote:

> http://gitweb.openembedded.net/?p=org.openembedded.dev.git;a=blob;f=package
>s/openmoko-projects/illume/configure-keyboard.patch;h=589fe53f38afc59be95a13
>ed67a9f9d1fc452148;hb=HEAD
>
> They re-enabled the feature in their branch, and went on with their
> life.  However, the patch stopped applying this morning, and I had to
> lock down illume to r170.

Hey Andreas,

you actually want to have a different illume.edj file. So the fso guys created 
one[1] and use that. It is on the distro team's todolist to make it possible 
to easily replace (update-alternative) the illume.edj file with other 
versions (installable through the installer). Personally I hope people will 
be more creative than just adding a qwertz button and will play with edje to 
try other things as well.

About the patch you posted. The sad truth is that X/freedesktop.org lacks a 
way to identify virtual inputmethods and this means we have no way to find 
out which apps might be able to send key events, let alone switching between 
these... So for ASU we can only instantiate one virtual keyboard and we 
decided to use the Qtopia keyboard. So what my patch for fso did was to make 
that "#if 0" compile time configurable. It was not applied upstream as raster 
wanted to make it runtime configurable and the patch doesn't apply anymore as 
this has happened.

For post ASU we want to propose E_VIRTUAL_KEYBOARD_STATE (probably _NETWM_...) 
to freedesktop.org and want to establish the means to find out which keyboard 
implementations are available...

i hope this helps
z.

[1] 
http://gitweb.openembedded.net/?p=org.openembedded.dev.git;a=blob_plain;f=packages/freesmartphone/illume-theme-freesmartphone_git.bb;hb=HEAD

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Re: uboot versions or a changelog?

[Mike Montour]

William Kenworthy wrote:
> Is there a list of uboot versions or a changelog?  I would like to see
> what changes have been done from that shipped with 2007.2?

See http://git.openmoko.org/?p=u-boot.git;a=shortlog;h=stable and the 
archives for the openmoko-kernel mailing list.


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