Re: [CGUYS] Power Off?
FYI, I tried powering up both router and modem simultaneously and they booted up ok. I guess the router did wait for the modem to get going first. Thanks for the feedback from all parties; it's always a good learning environment. Richard P. Tom Piwowar wrote: Actually, this isn't *strictly* true. Unless there's a design flaw, downstream devices should simply wait and keep trying. My router's often on with my modem off (when I'm resetting the modem). You are right. A properly designed device should keep trying so the order in which they are turned on should not matter. But then, too often it does. * ==> QUICK LIST-COMMAND REFERENCE - Put the following commands in <== * ==> the body of an email & send 'em to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <== * Join the list: SUBSCRIBE COMPUTERGUYS-L Your Name * Too much mail? Try Daily Digests command: SET COMPUTERGUYS-L DIGEST * Tired of the List? Unsubscribe command: SIGNOFF COMPUTERGUYS-L * New address? From OLD address send: CHANGE COMPUTERGUYS-L YourNewAddress * Need more help? Send mail to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * List archive at www.mail-archive.com/computerguys-l@listserv.aol.com/ * RSS at www.mail-archive.com/computerguys-l@listserv.aol.com/maillist.xml * Messages bearing the header "X-No-Archive: yes" will not be archived * ==> QUICK LIST-COMMAND REFERENCE - Put the following commands in <== * ==> the body of an email & send 'em to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <== * Join the list: SUBSCRIBE COMPUTERGUYS-L Your Name * Too much mail? Try Daily Digests command: SET COMPUTERGUYS-L DIGEST * Tired of the List? Unsubscribe command: SIGNOFF COMPUTERGUYS-L * New address? From OLD address send: CHANGE COMPUTERGUYS-L YourNewAddress * Need more help? Send mail to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * List archive at www.mail-archive.com/computerguys-l@listserv.aol.com/ * RSS at www.mail-archive.com/computerguys-l@listserv.aol.com/maillist.xml * Messages bearing the header "X-No-Archive: yes" will not be archived
Re: [CGUYS] Power Off?
>Actually, this isn't *strictly* true. Unless there's a design flaw, >downstream devices should simply wait and keep trying. My router's often on >with my modem off (when I'm resetting the modem). You are right. A properly designed device should keep trying so the order in which they are turned on should not matter. But then, too often it does. * ==> QUICK LIST-COMMAND REFERENCE - Put the following commands in <== * ==> the body of an email & send 'em to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <== * Join the list: SUBSCRIBE COMPUTERGUYS-L Your Name * Too much mail? Try Daily Digests command: SET COMPUTERGUYS-L DIGEST * Tired of the List? Unsubscribe command: SIGNOFF COMPUTERGUYS-L * New address? From OLD address send: CHANGE COMPUTERGUYS-L YourNewAddress * Need more help? Send mail to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * List archive at www.mail-archive.com/computerguys-l@listserv.aol.com/ * RSS at www.mail-archive.com/computerguys-l@listserv.aol.com/maillist.xml * Messages bearing the header "X-No-Archive: yes" will not be archived
Re: [CGUYS] Power Off?
On Oct 8, 2007, at 3:49 PM, Tom Piwowar wrote: The IT department frowns on Mac users flaunting their facility with the computer. You are going to get into a lot of trouble. My brother is in town. He is staying with me as he hunts for a place to live since taking a new job here in Fairfax County. He is quite the computer expert, and while he readily admitted last night that the Mac is the superior machine in his opinion, he also says that he just cannot really make a living by working in the Mac sphere. He asked me last night if he could touch one of the Macs, and I gave him permission to do so. He even used one to check his Gmail account, although Camino would not work with Gmail. Luckily I had Opera as well, and that did the trick. He did not want to use IE. We are going to have a real good time joking with each other in a fun-based flame over the Mac vs. PC thing, and best of all, I won't get in trouble. Steve * ==> QUICK LIST-COMMAND REFERENCE - Put the following commands in <== * ==> the body of an email & send 'em to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <== * Join the list: SUBSCRIBE COMPUTERGUYS-L Your Name * Too much mail? Try Daily Digests command: SET COMPUTERGUYS-L DIGEST * Tired of the List? Unsubscribe command: SIGNOFF COMPUTERGUYS-L * New address? From OLD address send: CHANGE COMPUTERGUYS-L YourNewAddress * Need more help? Send mail to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * List archive at www.mail-archive.com/computerguys-l@listserv.aol.com/ * RSS at www.mail-archive.com/computerguys-l@listserv.aol.com/maillist.xml * Messages bearing the header "X-No-Archive: yes" will not be archived
Re: [CGUYS] Power Off?
Actually, this isn't *strictly* true. Unless there's a design flaw, downstream devices should simply wait and keep trying. My router's often on with my modem off (when I'm resetting the modem). On 10/8/07, Tom Piwowar <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > >Yes, this is interesting. I never have turned off power to the cable > >modem and separate router because (according to Cox), they require a > >sequential boot process (is this true?). > > Yes, but this is just common sense. You have to turn things from the > outside inwards. The first box connects to the internet, the next box > connects to the first box, etc. Your computer is last. * ==> QUICK LIST-COMMAND REFERENCE - Put the following commands in <== * ==> the body of an email & send 'em to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <== * Join the list: SUBSCRIBE COMPUTERGUYS-L Your Name * Too much mail? Try Daily Digests command: SET COMPUTERGUYS-L DIGEST * Tired of the List? Unsubscribe command: SIGNOFF COMPUTERGUYS-L * New address? From OLD address send: CHANGE COMPUTERGUYS-L YourNewAddress * Need more help? Send mail to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * List archive at www.mail-archive.com/computerguys-l@listserv.aol.com/ * RSS at www.mail-archive.com/computerguys-l@listserv.aol.com/maillist.xml * Messages bearing the header "X-No-Archive: yes" will not be archived
Re: [CGUYS] Power Off?
Checkout One Laptop Per Child You have to climb the protocol stack. Checkout One Laptop Per Child project laptop.org - Original Message From: Tom Piwowar <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: COMPUTERGUYS-L@LISTSERV.AOL.COM Sent: Monday, October 8, 2007 3:53:35 PM Subject: Re: [CGUYS] Power Off? >Yes, this is interesting. I never have turned off power to the cable >modem and separate router because (according to Cox), they require a >sequential boot process (is this true?). Yes, but this is just common sense. You have to turn things from the outside inwards. The first box connects to the internet, the next box connects to the first box, etc. Your computer is last. * ==> QUICK LIST-COMMAND REFERENCE - Put the following commands in <== * ==> the body of an email & send 'em to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <== * Join the list: SUBSCRIBE COMPUTERGUYS-L Your Name * Too much mail? Try Daily Digests command: SET COMPUTERGUYS-L DIGEST * Tired of the List? Unsubscribe command: SIGNOFF COMPUTERGUYS-L * New address? From OLD address send: CHANGE COMPUTERGUYS-L YourNewAddress * Need more help? Send mail to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * List archive at www.mail-archive.com/computerguys-l@listserv.aol.com/ * RSS at www.mail-archive.com/computerguys-l@listserv.aol.com/maillist.xml * Messages bearing the header "X-No-Archive: yes" will not be archived * ==> QUICK LIST-COMMAND REFERENCE - Put the following commands in <== * ==> the body of an email & send 'em to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <== * Join the list: SUBSCRIBE COMPUTERGUYS-L Your Name * Too much mail? Try Daily Digests command: SET COMPUTERGUYS-L DIGEST * Tired of the List? Unsubscribe command: SIGNOFF COMPUTERGUYS-L * New address? From OLD address send: CHANGE COMPUTERGUYS-L YourNewAddress * Need more help? Send mail to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * List archive at www.mail-archive.com/computerguys-l@listserv.aol.com/ * RSS at www.mail-archive.com/computerguys-l@listserv.aol.com/maillist.xml * Messages bearing the header "X-No-Archive: yes" will not be archived
Re: [CGUYS] Power Off?
>Yes, this is interesting. I never have turned off power to the cable >modem and separate router because (according to Cox), they require a >sequential boot process (is this true?). Yes, but this is just common sense. You have to turn things from the outside inwards. The first box connects to the internet, the next box connects to the first box, etc. Your computer is last. * ==> QUICK LIST-COMMAND REFERENCE - Put the following commands in <== * ==> the body of an email & send 'em to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <== * Join the list: SUBSCRIBE COMPUTERGUYS-L Your Name * Too much mail? Try Daily Digests command: SET COMPUTERGUYS-L DIGEST * Tired of the List? Unsubscribe command: SIGNOFF COMPUTERGUYS-L * New address? From OLD address send: CHANGE COMPUTERGUYS-L YourNewAddress * Need more help? Send mail to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * List archive at www.mail-archive.com/computerguys-l@listserv.aol.com/ * RSS at www.mail-archive.com/computerguys-l@listserv.aol.com/maillist.xml * Messages bearing the header "X-No-Archive: yes" will not be archived
Re: [CGUYS] Power Off?
>I have asked why they do not configure those computers to go into >'sleep' mode after a certain time of non-use has elapsed, or why they >do not arrange for the drives to stop running when not needed. or why >they do not hit the "off" button of the monitors and printers at the >end of the day. The only answer I have ever gotten is a shrug or a >"How do you do that?" Yikes The IT department frowns on Mac users flaunting their facility with the computer. You are going to get into a lot of trouble. * ==> QUICK LIST-COMMAND REFERENCE - Put the following commands in <== * ==> the body of an email & send 'em to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <== * Join the list: SUBSCRIBE COMPUTERGUYS-L Your Name * Too much mail? Try Daily Digests command: SET COMPUTERGUYS-L DIGEST * Tired of the List? Unsubscribe command: SIGNOFF COMPUTERGUYS-L * New address? From OLD address send: CHANGE COMPUTERGUYS-L YourNewAddress * Need more help? Send mail to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * List archive at www.mail-archive.com/computerguys-l@listserv.aol.com/ * RSS at www.mail-archive.com/computerguys-l@listserv.aol.com/maillist.xml * Messages bearing the header "X-No-Archive: yes" will not be archived
Re: [CGUYS] Power Off?
On Oct 7, 2007, at 2:23 PM, Tom Piwowar wrote: Interesting poll at www.macosxhints.com/article.php?story=20071003235748182 How Often Do You Turn Off the Power to Your Internet Connection? 2/3 say "Never" Where I work there are three Windows machines and the one Mac that I 'polluted' the place with. The three Windows machines grind away all day long. Their monitors never blank out, their hard drives never spin down when not needed, and the computers never go to sleep. They do typically get turned off at the end of the day, unless that little step is forgotten about. The monitors and peripherals are never turned off. I have asked why they do not configure those computers to go into 'sleep' mode after a certain time of non-use has elapsed, or why they do not arrange for the drives to stop running when not needed. or why they do not hit the "off" button of the monitors and printers at the end of the day. The only answer I have ever gotten is a shrug or a "How do you do that?" Yikes. Steve * ==> QUICK LIST-COMMAND REFERENCE - Put the following commands in <== * ==> the body of an email & send 'em to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <== * Join the list: SUBSCRIBE COMPUTERGUYS-L Your Name * Too much mail? Try Daily Digests command: SET COMPUTERGUYS-L DIGEST * Tired of the List? Unsubscribe command: SIGNOFF COMPUTERGUYS-L * New address? From OLD address send: CHANGE COMPUTERGUYS-L YourNewAddress * Need more help? Send mail to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * List archive at www.mail-archive.com/computerguys-l@listserv.aol.com/ * RSS at www.mail-archive.com/computerguys-l@listserv.aol.com/maillist.xml * Messages bearing the header "X-No-Archive: yes" will not be archived
Re: [CGUYS] Power Off?
Yes, this is interesting. I never have turned off power to the cable modem and separate router because (according to Cox), they require a sequential boot process (is this true?). I do turn off the WAP when we are not using it, but more for security reasons than power consumption. I think shutting them all down is worth trying because while they don't consume much power individually, I'm sure cumulatively (nationwide/worldwide), it would make a big impact. My computer is set to hibernate automatically, along with the monitor. Richard P. Tom Piwowar wrote: Interesting poll at www.macosxhints.com/article.php?story=20071003235748182 How Often Do You Turn Off the Power to Your Internet Connection? 2/3 say "Never" * ==> QUICK LIST-COMMAND REFERENCE - Put the following commands in <== * ==> the body of an email & send 'em to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <== * Join the list: SUBSCRIBE COMPUTERGUYS-L Your Name * Too much mail? Try Daily Digests command: SET COMPUTERGUYS-L DIGEST * Tired of the List? Unsubscribe command: SIGNOFF COMPUTERGUYS-L * New address? From OLD address send: CHANGE COMPUTERGUYS-L YourNewAddress * Need more help? Send mail to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * List archive at www.mail-archive.com/computerguys-l@listserv.aol.com/ * RSS at www.mail-archive.com/computerguys-l@listserv.aol.com/maillist.xml * Messages bearing the header "X-No-Archive: yes" will not be archived * ==> QUICK LIST-COMMAND REFERENCE - Put the following commands in <== * ==> the body of an email & send 'em to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <== * Join the list: SUBSCRIBE COMPUTERGUYS-L Your Name * Too much mail? Try Daily Digests command: SET COMPUTERGUYS-L DIGEST * Tired of the List? Unsubscribe command: SIGNOFF COMPUTERGUYS-L * New address? From OLD address send: CHANGE COMPUTERGUYS-L YourNewAddress * Need more help? Send mail to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * List archive at www.mail-archive.com/computerguys-l@listserv.aol.com/ * RSS at www.mail-archive.com/computerguys-l@listserv.aol.com/maillist.xml * Messages bearing the header "X-No-Archive: yes" will not be archived
