Re:MAIL TRANSACTION FAILED

[kankaugur]

mailiniz elime ulaþmýþtýr ve deðerlendiriliyor. en kýsa sürede tekrar cvp yollucam.

sevgilerimle uður doðan.



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I need to send a bug report, but I don't know to which pseudo-package

[Fred U. Maranhão]

Hi,
I want to send a bug report about ddtp (ddtp.debian.org). Since the attack, ddtp is 
off-line. both the web page and the e-mail system of comunication translators-server.

What should be the more appropriate pseudo-package?



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Re: /etc/init.d/ - add/remove services

[mrl7d4]

Thanks for all your replies.  You've cleared this up for me.
Mike


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Re: recompilation and optimalization

[Karol Czachorowski]

On Thu, 29 Jan 2004 12:10:00 -0700
"Monique Y. Herman" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> This may be heresy, but, if you want to compile and optimize all of your
> packages, maybe you should look into the gentoo distribution instead of
> debian?
> I've never used it, but from what I understand, its big draw is that you
> compile everything you use.

Yes, Gentoo has great tool, portage which can build and install packages with your onw 
configuration. But I don't want Gentoo. I'm only wondering if is it a simple way to 
recompile some of the packages with optimalization. Believe or not, but it's a big 
difference, especially for X applications (I already recompiled many applications and 
test it on my computers). Faster start, less memory used. Other distributions often 
have packages for e.g i386/i586 or even i686. Why not try to do this with Debian? But 
sometimes it's hard (very hard) to pass flags to compiler.
If anyone is interested in optimalized packages, I can make a repository. Just let me 
know.

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USB Hard Drive on Debian (woody) - Kernel 2.4.24

[Barry Skidmore]

I am trying to use an external USB 1.1 drive on a Debian (woody) system
with kernel 2.4.24.

I have been able to partition the USB drive as ext2 using the
SystemRescue CD (v0.2.9) with 'QtParted'.  It shows up as 'dev/sda', with the
partition as 'dev/sda1'.  However, when I try to use 'Partimage' on the
rescue CD to back up the partitions which reside on my hard drive, I
receive an error that there may not be enough room on the target disk
(not true) or I might not have permissions to write to the disk (the
rescue CD runs as root).

So, I am now trying to mount the USB drive from Debian to check into
this problem further, but have been unable to.  The drive does not show
up when I boot the system (or do an 'fdisk -l'), even though I do see
that usb is enabled:

usb.c: registered new driver hub
host/uhci.c: USB Universal Host Controller Interface driver V1.1

When I try to do what's below, I get the following error:
# mkfs -t ext2 /dev/sda1
# mkfs.ext2: No such device or address while trying to determine file
system size

When I try to do what's below, I get the following error:
# mount -t ext2 /dev/sda1 /mnt
# mount: /dev/sda1 is not a valid block device

(same error with 'mount -t ext2 /dev/sda /mnt')

Any advice would be appreciated.

Barry


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Re: Exim vs Procmail (was: Sendmail vs Exim vs Others)

[Adam Aube]

On Friday 30 January 2004 07:09 pm, Vincent Lefevre wrote:
> However, procmail isn't perfect. The main problem is that it isn't
> very powerful and may need other tools (mainly formail, but also
> perl for the most complicated filters). A 100% perl-based solution
> (with primitives for MIME decoding) would probably better for me.

Have you looked at maildrop? I've never used it myself, but others have 
highly recommended it over procmail. I know it comes with various mail 
processing utilities (including MIME processing).

Adam


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Re: Isolationism is history.

[Al Davis]

On Friday 30 January 2004 07:58 pm, Al Davis wrote:
> On Friday 30 January 2004 04:11 pm, Colin Watson wrote:
> > But be very careful about doing that; you may well end up "tainted"
> > if you sign source licence agreements, and writing free software
> > thereafter could be difficult.
>
> This is the original basis for the SCO vs. IBM lawsuit.
>
> Writing any software that is in any way similar thereafter could be
> different.

 difficult.I hate it when the typos correctly spell a different 
word.


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Tiger reports possible Slapper worm, but chkrootkit disagrees.

[Carl Fink]

I have Tiger Audit set up on my Sarge system.  My last two reports say this:

# Running chkrootkit (/usr/sbin/chkrootkit) to perform further checks...
OLD: --WARN-- [rootkit004f] Chkrootkit has detected a possible rootkit installation
OLD: Warning: Possible Slapper Worm installed

However, when I run chkrootkit itself, it says:

Checking `slapper'... not infected

So, is this a bug in Tiger?  It isn't listed at bugs.debian.org.
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Re: about Flyvideo 98 card

[Paul Johnson]

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On Fri, Jan 30, 2004 at 01:13:43AM -0800, j smith wrote:
> 1) Flyvideo 98 card, bt878 chip
> 2) Ati TV-wonder VE
> 
> the 2nd card works under Debian 3.0, but the 1st does
> not. can you help me?

I have an identical card, and I got it to work briefly, however, this
is not a reproducible feature for me...

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Re: [OT] Bruce Perens talks to BBC [ PLEASE STOP ]

[Paul Johnson]

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On Fri, Jan 30, 2004 at 04:37:39PM -0300, federico silva wrote:
> if this long thread has gone for 
> soo long with the [OT] tag
> why don't you  go to another place 
> to talk about this *rather* OT stuff.
> 
> Please? 
> Now!

procmail is your friend.

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Re: Isolationism is history.

[Nano Nano]

On Fri, Jan 30, 2004 at 05:51:13PM -0800, Paul Johnson wrote:
> And a bit friendlier to those who get dumped on their ass due to
> unforseen circumstances.  The whole idea of credit ratings tends to
> cause a lot of false positives for people who intend to pay but lose
> their job or get screwed by roommates, etc.

Well, I agree with that but lets not get the issues confused: I was 
how poorly the Credit bureaus manage the data that, rightly or wrongly, 
they possess.

I have credit trouble too but I'm enough of a hardass on myself to know 
that nobody pointed a gun at my head and made me make the choices I 
made.  However, I do get quite upset at how carelessly and irresponsibly 
private organizations make life-affecting decisions about me *and* 
manage that responsibility so poorly and with such little security.

My phrase for the situation is: "faithless stewardship".  He who has 
power has responsibilty to manage that power well.


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RE: 2.6 upgrade (mouse)

[Brian Corman]

Sorry about the lack of information. It is a ps/2 mouse, and lsmod doesn't
return any mouse related modules. I checked the Debian documentation on
mouse configuration, and it indicates that I should have a
/etc/sysconfig/mouse file, but the sysconfig directory doesn't exist. Is
that for an old configuration? I also can't check lsmod on the 2.4 kernel;
it won't boot for some reason.

Changing the device in the xconfiguration from /dev/psaux to /dev/ttySx
causes the mouse to respond, but it adheres to the top right corner of the
screen.

Thanks for the help.

Brian

-Original Message-
From: Kent West [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Sent: Friday, January 30, 2004 6:57 AM
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: 2.6 upgrade

Brian Corman wrote:

> I upgraded to the testing 2.6 kernel, and my mouse is now frozen. Any 
> advice?
>
You're probably missing a module ("driver") for your mouse. You don't 
give us much info; is it a USB mouse? a serial mouse? a ps/2 mouse?

Assuming you still have your older kernel, boot into it, then do an 
"lsmod" and compare that output to an "lsmod" while booted into 2.6. 
That might give you a clue as to which module(s) you're missing. Then 
you can "modprobe ".

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Re: 256-color xterm

[Matt Price]

On Fri, Jan 30, 2004 at 11:55:36PM -, Thomas Dickey wrote:
> Matt Price <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> >> No - the main thing here is whether your X server has enough colors available.
> >> The 8-bit displays don't.  I've tested this mostly with 16-bit displays.
> >> xterm has defaults for the color resources (compiled in), so that's normally
> >> not a problem.  Otherwise, when color is enabled there's no additional
> >> resources controlling whether the 256-colors are available.
> >> 
> 
> > sorry for coming back so quick, I found some info on the net and
> > just restarted X with 
> > startx -- :1 -bpp 16
> 
> That looks right (for some reason I've forgotten, on one of my older boxes I
> decided to not edit the XF86Config-4 file - probably to see what the automatic
> configuration & updates would do).
> 
> But perhaps your XFree86 config-file doesn't have a display defined for that
> value.  Mine's a bit hacked up (adapted settings from other systems my machine
> boots on since the automatic configuration didn't work well).
> 

well, I'm at a bit of a loss -- I just went through dpkg-reconfigure
xserver-xfree86 and checked to make sure that 'depth' sections going
all the way p to 24 were written into XFConfig86-4 -- no luck!  and I
definitely do have 256 colors enabled on mmy xterm...  gaah!

anyway, not that important, I cna live with 16 colors!  Thanks for
your help,

matt


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Re: Isolationism is history.

[Paul Johnson]

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On Fri, Jan 30, 2004 at 11:45:49AM -0800, Nano Nano wrote:
> We need to tear down the entire internet and start over with proper 
> encryption from the ground up.

That's what ipv6 is.  Bug your ISP for it.

>  We need to tear down the entire credit 
> system (imagine!) and start over with proper authentication and 
> encryption. 

And a bit friendlier to those who get dumped on their ass due to
unforseen circumstances.  The whole idea of credit ratings tends to
cause a lot of false positives for people who intend to pay but lose
their job or get screwed by roommates, etc.

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Re: Sendmail vs Exim vs Others

[Lucas Albers]

Dan Lawrence said:
>> I am not sure why you need to upgrade postfix to a newer version
>> from stable? What new wizbang items does it do?
>
damn just do apt-get -t testing install postfix
But I was wondering was thus?
Not how to upgrade,but...
Why upgrade to the newer version of postfix?

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Re: Isolationism is history.

[Al Davis]

> On Fri, Jan 30, 2004 at 11:45:49AM -0800, Nano Nano wrote:
> > ...   Microsoft
> > does tend to use gotos for error exits.

Nothing wrong with this.  It is called "throwing an exception".  C++ and 
java have keywords "try", "catch", "throw" to make it official.

> On Fri, Jan 30, 2004 at 11:45:49AM -0800, Nano Nano wrote:
> > You can probably read the Windows code by looking at the Windows
> > CE.NET source which is freely available.  It's a fork.  You can get
> > a flavor of it.  If you try real hard, you can probably via a
> > University take a look at the source -- Microsoft is handing out
> > read-access grudgingly.  Work within the system and you can
> > accomplish that goal.
>

On Friday 30 January 2004 04:11 pm, Colin Watson wrote:
> But be very careful about doing that; you may well end up "tainted"
> if you sign source licence agreements, and writing free software
> thereafter could be difficult.

This is the original basis for the SCO vs. IBM lawsuit.

Writing any software that is in any way similar thereafter could be 
different.


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Re: new kernel, alsa -> sound trouble

[Ross Boylan]

This is even weirder.  Despite the warning, I continue to hear sounds
when I open and close windows (for example).  However, when I hit the
"Test Sound" button in the KDE control center, all is silence.  I've
fiddled with the mixer, but it hasn't made any difference.  Also, the
fact that there is something to mix is probably signficant, since when
things go really wrong there isn't.

Also, I'm using devfs.


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Re: debian-user: not receiving all list mail

[Paul Johnson]

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On Fri, Jan 30, 2004 at 09:43:56PM +0300, Alphonse Ogulla wrote:
> Not absolutely sure but don't think so. I received this post directly from 
> Paul Johnson and not debian-user. As a matter of fact, this post has not even 
> shown up in debian-user. 

Oh...you're trying to sort the mailing list assuming that it's going
to have a From: or Reply-To: header from the list?  That's not how
most mailing lists work, you want to look at the X-Mailing-List header
to see what list it's coming from.

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new kernel, alsa -> sound trouble

[Ross Boylan]

I just built and installed a new kernel (2.4.24) with new alsa modules
(1.0.1-1).  When I start KDE (3.1) I hear music, but after 15 seconds I
get a popup from arts: "Soundserver fatal error: cpu overload,
aborting".

When the kernel booted I noticed a message about failing to restore alsa
settings.  It's not in the logs, so I can't get the exact text.  I
suspected this might be from a version mismatch between different parts
of the alsa system, and noticed:
ii  alsa-base1.0.1-1
ii  alsa-modules-2.4.20  0.9.3a-1+iron.03
ii  alsa-modules-2.4.22advnc 0.9.6-5+rb.3
ii  alsa-modules-2.4.24advnc 1.0.1-1+rb.6
ii  alsa-source  1.0.1-1 
ii  alsa-utils   0.9.8-1

I upgraded alsa-utils from unstable to 1.0.1-1 and restarted the
soundserver in KDE.  Again, I heard music, and then got the error.

Googling didn't turn up anything too recent with this error, and the
past messages indicated the problem was with the driver (mine is
emu10k1).  Things were working before the upgrade.

I also half recall some recent discussion on debian-kde that KDE built
for Debian (which I am using) didn't support alsa.  I assumed this meant
it used OSS emulation, but perhaps that's related.

So there are many possible culprits, and I'm not sure how to diagnose
this further or fix it.  Any suggestions?


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Re: reject non-english mail as spam?

[Paul Johnson]

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On Wed, Jan 14, 2004 at 03:11:50PM +0100, Nicos Gollan wrote:
> Perhaps to get an open debate on a potentially touchy subject?

Don't.  That's just trolling.  Especially since the archive shows what
happens.  If you have some list management issues, go email
[EMAIL PROTECTED] instead, that's the person that can
actually do something about it.  Bringing up how the list is managed
on the list is roughly as effective and just as annoying as trying to
vote in a general election via USENET.

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Re: reject non-english mail as spam?

[Paul Johnson]

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On Tue, Jan 13, 2004 at 01:03:30AM -0700, Lucas Albers wrote:
> Or can it be assumed that people will be posting non-english email to this
> list.

It happens.  I don't know what the volunteer listmaster wants to do,
but for those who at least want to sort the non-english stuff off as
spam, if you're running spamassassin, add this to
~/.spamassassin/user_prefs

ok_languages en

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Re: postfix [was Re: Sendmail vs Exim vs Others]

[Nano Nano]

On Sat, Jan 31, 2004 at 01:21:46AM +0100, Vincent Lefevre wrote:
> On 2004-01-30 14:57:37 -0800, Nano Nano wrote:
> > Aha, that explains why the 2nd message worked: I have a mutt rule that 
> > adds the correct From for list-replies.  I guess I'll have to make sure 
> > Mutt adds a valid From or Sender in all cases.
> > 
> > I'll have to make sure all mail-generating programs do that: is there a 
> > facility in Debian to assist with that, or will I need to administer 
> > Identities in each MUA individually?
> 
> Isn't postfix able to do email rewriting?

I guess but it apparently doesn't do it OOB.  I never liked how Exim 
leaked my AccountFullName+EtcEmailAddressesEmail identity in the Sender 
when I was using an alternate valid From email and nickname (like here).

So I like the idea of doing it in the MUA but I would still like some 
standarization or central management.  Probably can't have both.

I'm crawling forward.  At least I'm aware of the issues.

BTW, I realized if you purge Exim's configuration, /etc/email-addresses 
will disappears if you haven't modified it.


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Re: postfix [was Re: Sendmail vs Exim vs Others]

[Vincent Lefevre]

On 2004-01-30 14:57:37 -0800, Nano Nano wrote:
> Aha, that explains why the 2nd message worked: I have a mutt rule that 
> adds the correct From for list-replies.  I guess I'll have to make sure 
> Mutt adds a valid From or Sender in all cases.
> 
> I'll have to make sure all mail-generating programs do that: is there a 
> facility in Debian to assist with that, or will I need to administer 
> Identities in each MUA individually?

Isn't postfix able to do email rewriting?

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Exim vs Procmail (was: Sendmail vs Exim vs Others)

[Vincent Lefevre]

On 2004-01-30 18:34:17 +, Miquel van Smoorenburg wrote:
> See http://www.exim.org/ . Click on "Documentation and FAQs".

Thanks. The FAQ says to use procmail. :)

> The same documentation is available as a text file in
> /usr/share/doc/exim (spec.txt and filter.txt).

There are several things I don't like:

* Exim uses the .forward file which is also used by other MTAs.
  This may lead to clashes and lost mail if something changes at
  the system level (e.g. another MTA is used). A bit dangerous.
  A .eximrc would have been a better idea.

* The behavior may depend on some choices done by the sysadmin
  (or the package maintener).

* An error is treated as a delivery failure. This is bad as the
  message would be lost and the sender probably annoyed by a
  mailer-daemon. A non-zero exit status that propagates (like
  with procmail) would be the solution. Note: I get my remote
  mail by POP3 with getmail.

* A result of a pipe can't be retrieved (and that's why the FAQ
  recommends to use procmail for such things).

Another point is that exim isn't the only MTA. Whereas the user can
have procmail filters on all his accounts, this isn't necessarily
possible with exim filters.

However, procmail isn't perfect. The main problem is that it isn't
very powerful and may need other tools (mainly formail, but also
perl for the most complicated filters). A 100% perl-based solution
(with primitives for MIME decoding) would probably better for me.

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Automatic response to your mail

[PalmOS Games]

This email has been disabled temporarily.

Please insert a "2" between the palm and the @ sign and 
try again, as palm2 at plbm dot com.

Thank you!
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Re: 256-color xterm

[Thomas Dickey]

Matt Price <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> -- so I'm a bit confused.  Does this mean I should check in my
> XF86config-4 (or someplace similar) to see if my display is 8 or 16

That lists the choices that the server can make on startup.  The actual
decision is logged, e.g., in /var/log/XFree86.0.log (on the Debian testing
I'm running now).

> bit?  Or is something else meant by #display' in this context?  I
> don#t know how to find that kind of information out (I should say,
> though, that my monitor is a fairly modern color moniitor which has
> 'millions of colors' when I attach it to my mac...

see xdpyinfo

Actually the monitor isn't the limiting factor (the speed of the monitor
limits the resolution).  The display card's memory size limits the number
of colors - and also the resolution, though my experience is that the
monitor is more limiting.

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Re: 256-color xterm

[Thomas Dickey]

Matt Price <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>> No - the main thing here is whether your X server has enough colors available.
>> The 8-bit displays don't.  I've tested this mostly with 16-bit displays.
>> xterm has defaults for the color resources (compiled in), so that's normally
>> not a problem.  Otherwise, when color is enabled there's no additional
>> resources controlling whether the 256-colors are available.
>> 

> sorry for coming back so quick, I found some info on the net and
> just restarted X with 
> startx -- :1 -bpp 16

That looks right (for some reason I've forgotten, on one of my older boxes I
decided to not edit the XF86Config-4 file - probably to see what the automatic
configuration & updates would do).

But perhaps your XFree86 config-file doesn't have a display defined for that
value.  Mine's a bit hacked up (adapted settings from other systems my machine
boots on since the automatic configuration didn't work well).

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Re: Mobo with fan controls

[Wendell Cochran]

Date: Fri, 30 Jan 2004 09:27:57 -0600
From: Hugo Vanwoerkom <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>

> I am looking for a mobo that has controls on for all its fans so
> they can be turned off or down when not needed . . .


PC Power & Cooling (& maybe others) sells power-supply units with
fans that vary speed according to the temperature in the box.

The fans are available separately, too.

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RE: Help!!!! dselect erased the whole system.

[J F]

I'm pretty newbie myself, but 
try adding cdrom to /etc/apt.sources
and then dpkg in the apt-get to bring
your system back up.

Your posting went to usenet but not to
the web archive:
http://lists.debian.org/debian-user/2004/debian-user-200401/author11.html

You should post by sending email to the address [EMAIL PROTECTED]
.


> Newsgroups:   linux.debian.user
> Date: Thu, 29 Jan 2004 21:21:56 GMT
> 
> Well I can still log on but I lost dhcpcd and thus my
> internet connection.  I was trying to fix X through
> dselect.  I think I removed all the packages.  I still
> have my potato CD.

> I have the dpkg command and the
>  dselect command, but I have no apt-get.  What do
> I do now?




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Re: Email client programs

[John Hasler]

Derrick writes:
> One possibility is uuMail.  It is a commercial mail tool (and protocol)
> that does really high compression to minimize the bandwidth needed to
> transfer messages.

A proprietary version of UUCP.  Why not use the real thing?
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Re: Plotting pixel maps and graphs.

[Dean Allen Provins]

Geoff:

On Fri, Jan 30, 2004 at 04:53:48PM -, Geoff Bagley wrote:
> I wish to use my Debian box for plotting the output of compiled
> programmes in the form of bitmaps or cartesian pixel maps either
> on the X window display, or on a laserjet printer.
> 
> The material to be plotted consists of calculated mathematical graphs
> and  maps or plans.  Does  Debian include any packages for math-
> plotting or geographical plotting ?
> 
> Could possibly be "piped" to (say) ghostscript ?

I use gnuplot for most of my graphs.  It displays under X, and can
generate Postscript files for high quality output, or a myriad of other
device formats, including HPLJ.  For geographic data, I use GMT (Generic
Mapping Tools) which only creates Postscript.  It creates publication
quality graphics - but you may not like the interface.  Fortunately,
the documentation is excellent, and if you persist, you will be rewarded.

Postscript can be piped to ghostview (don't know about ghostscript)
which is the graphical interface for ghostscript.

Dean

> TIA
> 
> Geoff.
> 
> 
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Re: Sendmail vs Exim vs Others

[Vincent Lefevre]

On 2004-01-30 11:03:07 -0700, Monique Y. Herman wrote:
> On 2004-01-30, Vincent Lefevre penned:
> > But the man page is far from being clear and incomplete (compared to
> > the procmail man pages).
> 
> Have you looked at `man procmailex`?  It has a lot of very clear
> examples.

I was complaining at exim, not procmail.

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Re: music maker

[Stephen Turner]

On Thu, 2004-01-29 at 21:33, Roy Pluschke wrote:
> On January 29, 2004 06:05 am, Stephen Turner wrote:
> 
> > Hi R.J.P,
> >
> > Ok. thanks. but i install the unrar. tried unrar eaqpats12_fullxyz, but
> > i get a huge list of options. i tried -e -y but i keep getting the list
> > of options. This being the first i have even heard of unrar, what should
> > i do next?
> 
> Read the man page!! From "man unrar"
> 
> After  the  program name comes a command and then optional switches
> with dashes before them.  A summary of commands is included  below.
> For a complete description, run unrar without options.
> 
> therefore the command would be:
> 
> unrar e -y whatever.rar
> 
> the "e" being a command, the "-y" is a switch. It looks like whatever you 
> downloaded "eaqpats12_fullxyz" with might have stripped the ".rar" extension.
> You might have to tack it back on.
> 
> R.J.P.

Dear R.J.P,

Thanks for all your help. I finally got unrar to work. I did read the
man page. I did ' unrar -e -y xyz. that one dash made all the diffence.
Noteedit is up and running. So hopefully, that should be it. :)

Thanks again.
>  
> 


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Who uses /etc/email-addresses?

[Nano Nano]

Who uses /etc/email-addresses?

Apparently, Exim adds:

Sender: [Account Full Name] 

If I switch to Postfix, need I any data in email-addresses?


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Re: Web server with PHP setup & mod-ssl

[John Foster]

Danny O'Brien wrote:



Thanks for the response. I took the action you suggested -- but I 
didn't delete the previous /etc/apache/httpd.conf file. Now, instead 
of showing my site on a Web page, my browser treats the main PHP page 
as a file download and dumps the file to my desktop.

Should I remove apache-ssl, wipe the httpd.conf file, and start over 
from scratch? Or is there something in the httpd.conf file that I'm 
missing? I can't find a reference to an SSL module or anything similar.
You will need to set up php in both apache AND apache-ssl. If you simply install 
the modules for php etc...that don,t quite cut it. Youi also must uncomment the line 
in both these files that represents the modules.
/etc/apache/httpd.conf  and /etc/apache-ssl/httpd.conf they are very dirrerent.
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Re: Send output to file & printer

[Derrick 'dman' Hudson]

On Fri, Jan 30, 2004 at 05:26:08PM -0500, Adam Aube wrote:
| On Friday 30 January 2004 04:59 pm, James Horvath wrote:
| > Not new to linux per say, but have done almost no shell scripting or
| > programming with it, so consider me a complete rookie.
| 
| There are probably some good shell scripting HOWTOs you could find using 
| Google.
| 
| > Using lpd, is there a simple way using the command line to send the
| > output of a process to both a file and a printer at the same time?
| 
| I believe the "tee" command does something like this - see its man page.

It does.  For example :

$ echo 'Hello World!' | tee /tmp/A_File | lp

| > Optionally, how might I go about saving a copy of a print job to file
| > before it prints (without disabling the print queue itself)?
| > As an example, if I issue a command like "ls -laF" on a directory

ls -laF | tee /tmp/listing | lp

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Re: postfix [was Re: Sendmail vs Exim vs Others]

[Nano Nano]

On Fri, Jan 30, 2004 at 10:28:43PM +0100, Thorsten Haude wrote:
> I deliver my mails with a valid from address, which [EMAIL PROTECTED] is
> not. Maybe you should fix your MUA?

Aha, that explains why the 2nd message worked: I have a mutt rule that 
adds the correct From for list-replies.  I guess I'll have to make sure 
Mutt adds a valid From or Sender in all cases.

I'll have to make sure all mail-generating programs do that: is there a 
facility in Debian to assist with that, or will I need to administer 
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Re: fix for login problem on debian unstable

[Derrick 'dman' Hudson]

On Wed, Jan 21, 2004 at 12:09:35PM -0600, Cheryl Homiak wrote:
| Has anybody found a temporary work-around for the util-linux login problem
| on debian unstable? I can initially log in ok, but when I log out on a
| console I get id (whatever console it is) respawning too fast; disabled
| for 5 minutes
| Only most of the time it continues to be disabled and I have to eventually
| reboot.

I don't know what is causing the problem on your system, but I know
what happened to a certain testing system I have.  The inittab on that
system ran the gettys on "tty1", etc.  However, when I stopped running
devfsd (it was too resource hungry, forking too many modprobe
processes) the /dev files for the ttys weren't where the gettys were
told they were.  I solved it by changing "tty1" to "vc/1" in
/etc/inittab.  This may or may not apply to your unstable system.

HTH,
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Re: mv: permissions warning with samba mount

[Derrick 'dman' Hudson]

On Thu, Jan 22, 2004 at 06:34:51PM +0100, Andreas Janssen wrote:
| Derrick 'dman' Hudson (<[EMAIL PROTECTED]>) wrote:
| > I have a shell script on one debian system here to back up certain
| > portions of the filesystem.  It simply tars up the directories and
| > moves the tar file to a samba share which is backed up by some already
| > in-place windows software.
| > 
| > The problem is that mv is too noisy :
| > mv: failed to preserve ownership for
| > `/mnt/red1/Builds/cvsbackup/CVS-Backup-2004-01-21.tar.gz':
| > Operation not permitted
| > 
| > This is a problem because I then become conditioned to ignore emails
| > from cron assuming they only contain this non-problem.  However,
| > sometimes there is a real problem and I need to know about it.
| > Therefore, I want this particular error message to not be reported,
| > however I want other errors (for example No space left on device) to
| > go to stderr.  When this script is run, stdout is sent to a log file
| > and stderr (if any) is sent to me via mail.
| > 
| > Any suggestions?
| 
| Wouldn't the easiest way be to set the ownership of the file to that of
| the Samba mount before moving it?

That sounds like a plausible solution.

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Re: mv: permissions warning with samba mount

[Derrick 'dman' Hudson]

On Thu, Jan 22, 2004 at 08:52:58PM +, Pigeon wrote:
| On Thu, Jan 22, 2004 at 12:15:31PM -0500, Derrick 'dman' Hudson wrote:
| > I have a shell script on one debian system here to back up certain
| > portions of the filesystem.  It simply tars up the directories and
| > moves the tar file to a samba share which is backed up by some already
| > in-place windows software.
| > 
| > The problem is that mv is too noisy :
| > mv: failed to preserve ownership for 
`/mnt/red1/Builds/cvsbackup/CVS-Backup-2004-01-21.tar.gz': Operation not permitted
| > 
| > This is a problem because I then become conditioned to ignore emails
| > from cron assuming they only contain this non-problem.  However,
| > sometimes there is a real problem and I need to know about it.
| > Therefore, I want this particular error message to not be reported,
| > however I want other errors (for example No space left on device) to
| > go to stderr.  When this script is run, stdout is sent to a log file
| > and stderr (if any) is sent to me via mail.
| > 
| > Any suggestions?
| 
| Well, AFAIK mv never prints anything on stdout, so perhaps:
| 
| mv from-name to-name 2>&1 | grep -v 'failed to preserve ownership' 1>&2

This is what I did, and it seems to be working.  Thanks :-).

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RE: /etc/init.d/ - add/remove services

[Ben Yau]

> -Original Message-
> From: Adam Aube [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Sent: Friday, January 30, 2004 1:51 PM
> To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Subject: Re: /etc/init.d/ - add/remove services
>
>
> On Friday 30 January 2004 04:36 pm, Ben Yau wrote:
> > I don't know if there is a preferred way.  There are many ways and
> > choose the one you like.  The convention I use is to rename the
> > file/link with a "no" in front.
>
> That reminds me of another way - rename the capital S or K to a lower
> case. Same benefits/drawbacks as the method you describe.
>
> Adam
>
>

Another excellent alternative.  For me, it's easier on the eyes to see the
"no" in front to know that it's not running vs comparing "s" to "S".  Again,
just personal preference. They're all good and they all work-

Ben Yau


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Blad:
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RE: Send output to file & printer

[Ben Yau]

Jim says:
>
> As an example, if I issue a command like "ls -laF" on a directory, can I
> have the output of that command go to a file (filename =
> username_date_time.txt), and print on a remote printer at the
> same time, or
> do I have to run two commands?
>

There are a lot of strange ways to get this one done.  The easiest way is to
do it in two commands.  However, you can put both commands on the same
command line though

prompt# [first command] > output.txt; [print command] output.txt

If you want a wrapper script, try this one.  Be warned there are not a lot
of sanity checks in this so use at your own risk (and test the syntax also).
Let's say you save hte script to "printarchive".  Then usage would be
somehting lke

prompt# printarchive ls -laF

here's the script


#!/bin/bash
#

# what's our print command?

prtcmd="lpr -Php4050"

# where do we store the outputted flies?
outputdir="/tmp"

# define our output file as "printjob.datetime.processid.txt"

datesuffix=`date +"%Y%m%d_%H%M%S"`
pidstuffix=$$

# let user know where the outputfile to STDOUT
outfile="$outputdir/printjob_$datesuffix.$$.txt"
echo "OUTPUT to $outfile"

# run command and save to file
$* > $outfile

# output file to screen first and then confirm we wnat to print it
cat $outfile

# confirm print
echo ""
echo -n "Hit  to print, ctrl-c to interrupt and cancel"
read userinput

# now print the file
$prtcmd $outfile

# done
echo "done, output printing via $prtcmd $outfile"




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Re: Email client programs

[Derrick 'dman' Hudson]

On Fri, Jan 30, 2004 at 05:27:42PM -0500, Derrick 'dman' Hudson wrote:
[...]
| It's not IMAP, alone, that provides this.  It is the IMAP clients
| (such as isync or 

Oops, I forgot to come back and fill this in after the apt-cache
search in the other window finished.  I meant to say "such as isync or
offlineimap".  The IMAP protocol was designed to leave all data on the
server, though some programs, such as those listed, have been created
to do other things with the infrastructure.

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arabic unicode in terminals

[Nori Heikkinen]

hey all,

i'm trying to set myself up to deal with a lot of arabic data at work,
all of which is encoded in UTF-8.  sifting through hundreds of howtos
and such about unicode in general, it seems that i _should_ be able to
set my locales to ar_EG.UTF-8 (picked egypt semi at random), open an
xterm with the -u8 flag, and then view files (say, in cat, or vim,
which i understand has good UTF-8 support[1]).  but i still get all
kinds of non-arabic characters.

while i can't see utf8 arabic, i _can_ see utf8 IPA fonts[2] using
`xterm -u8`.  i realize that i need to get a bi-directional library
like libfribidi0, as xterm doesn't (and won't[3] support
bi-directional text by itself), and i have ... but that's secondary
right now, as i can't see the script at all.

i've been reading up on this for days.  can anyone point me to a good
arabic UTF-8 howto, or something similar?

thanks so much,



[1] http://www.tldp.org/HOWTO/Unicode-HOWTO-4.html#ss4.4
[2] http://www.cl.cam.ac.uk/~mgk25/ucs/examples/ipa-chart.txt
[3] http://www.cl.cam.ac.uk/~mgk25/unicode.html#xterm

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Re: system log grows quickly with USB evbug.c messages.

[Derrick 'dman' Hudson]

On Tue, Jan 27, 2004 at 11:03:56AM -0500, Darin Strait wrote:
| I'm running a standard debian binary kernel package
| (kernel-image-2.6.0-1-686) and it seems that I get a message written
| to the system log for every USB event. Since I have a USB mouse and
| keyboard, there are rather a lot of events. 
| 
| The messages looks like these (sorry for the wrapping):
| 
| Jan 27 10:58:58 localhost kernel: evbug.c: Event. Dev: usb-:00:1f.2-2.2/input0, 
Type: 2, Code: 0, Value: -1

This is a problem.  The workaround :
$ su
# rmmod evbug
# rm /lib/modules/2.6.0-1-686/kernel/drivers/input/evbug.ko

Note that each time you upgrade the kernel-image package a new copy of
evbug.ko will be provided.  Remove the new one when that occurs.  Also
check the BTS to see when this issue is correctly resolved.

-D

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Re: 2.6 upgrade

[Erich Waelde]

> I upgraded to the testing 2.6 kernel, and my mouse is now frozen. Any
> advice?

open a console, login as root, 

  modprobe -v mousedev

and one of these
~ 11 > ls -l /lib/modules/2.6.0-1-k7/kernel/drivers/input/mouse
total 51
-rw-r--r--1 root root 6907 Jan 11 07:21 inport.ko
-rw-r--r--1 root root 7106 Jan 11 07:21 logibm.ko
-rw-r--r--1 root root 5514 Jan 11 07:21 pc110pad.ko
-rw-r--r--1 root root22134 Jan 11 07:21 psmouse.ko
-rw-r--r--1 root root 7228 Jan 11 07:21 sermouse.ko

make sure to add the 2 modules to /etc/modules


I found that I had to add quite a few modules, like
loop, floppy, driver for graphics card and scsi ...

Cheers,
Erich


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SA + Maildrop + IMP spam reporting

[Tim Hasson]

Hi,

The attached patch to IMP-3.2.1 allows you to enable spam reporting in 
imp/conf.php
set a [EMAIL PROTECTED] , and optionally spam delete enable.

When a user clicks "Report as Spam" in message.php, the message is
redirected to the [EMAIL PROTECTED] without modifying/adding any headers
(such as Reset headers when using Redirect function in IMP), except for a
extra Received line which doesn't hurt much..

This patch was very useful for me to allow to report spam directly to
sa-learn (from SpamAssassin) to teach the bayesian classifier server-wide

If using maildrop as the delivery agent (recommended):
Simply, in the [EMAIL PROTECTED] maildir put a .mailfilter with 3 lines like:

exception {
  cc "| /usr/local/bin/sa-learn --spam --local --single --no-rebuild"
}

And run a cron regularly to rebuild the bayes database:
0   */2 *   *   *   vpopmail/usr/local/bin/sa-
learn --rebuild


Hope it could be useful to many people..


Respectfully,
Tim Hasson
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Re: Email client programs

[Derrick 'dman' Hudson]

On Tue, Jan 27, 2004 at 10:59:15PM -0800, Curtis Vaughan wrote:
| >
| >hi ya curtis
| >
| >On Tue, 27 Jan 2004, Curtis Vaughan wrote:
| >
| >>But doesn't IMAP have more traffic involved than POP3?  I mean each
| >>time you connect, it has to check to see what's on the server and
| >>what's on your computer.   What would be best is a solution that just
| >
| >w/ imap ... NOTHING is on your pc ...
| > you can check mail at the office, from home, from the insecure
| > hotel, from the insecure internet cafe, from the insecure kinkos
| > and you will only see "new" emails for you to check and/or save
|
| I personally only use IMAP and have been encouraging others to use it 
| as well.  But ALAS, people don't understand.
| 
| However, with IMAP you can synchronize so the messages are on your 
| computer.  Otherwise, it would be worthless.

It's not IMAP, alone, that provides this.  It is the IMAP clients
(such as isync or 

| I don't think everyone is fully appreciating the problem.  These are 
| ships at sea.  The connection is often in flux.

I get it.  One possibility is uuMail.  It is a commercial mail tool
(and protocol) that does really high compression to minimize the
bandwidth needed to transfer messages.  It is designed for use over
ham radio and other limited connections in remote (ie there is no
phone line in the first place) and third world regions.

| POP3 seems to not be the answer at all.

I think it is more a matter of using the right tools in the right
configuration.  You need something that can clean up as it goes to
avoid redownloading already received messages and something that will
automatically retry failed operations.

| But I was hoping maybe the way POP3 worked might depend on client
| programs.

The way -any- protocol works is dependent, in part, on the clients.

HTH,
-D

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Re: Send output to file & printer

[Adam Aube]

On Friday 30 January 2004 04:59 pm, James Horvath wrote:
> Not new to linux per say, but have done almost no shell scripting or
> programming with it, so consider me a complete rookie.

There are probably some good shell scripting HOWTOs you could find using 
Google.

> Using lpd, is there a simple way using the command line to send the
> output of a process to both a file and a printer at the same time?

I believe the "tee" command does something like this - see its man page.

> Optionally, how might I go about saving a copy of a print job to file
> before it prints (without disabling the print queue itself)?
> As an example, if I issue a command like "ls -laF" on a directory

ls -laF > dirlist.txt; lpd [options] < dirlist.txt

Adam


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Re: Virus bot bounces

[Derrick 'dman' Hudson]

On Fri, Jan 30, 2004 at 12:46:11PM +0100, Mark M wrote:
| s. keeling schreef:
| >Incoming from [EMAIL PROTECTED]:
| >
| >> e-mail Manager Notification ** 
| >>
| >>As a security precaution this mail was blocked and discarded since it
| >
| >Grrr.  Can we pass a law that says all these virus checker programs
| >have to insert an X-Virus-Bot: header into their bounces?!?  How do we
| >change the RFC?
| 
| Perfect! Excellent Idea! Soem do that BTW, but no standard has been setup.
| 
| Where do we start?

You start with people actually following the RFCs.  Without that, you
are at their mercy (and they at yours) and all does what is right in
his own sight.

At any rate, assuming you have bandwidth to spare, you can use local
measures such as pattern matching and/or bayesian classification to
automatically eliminate such rubbish from your inbox.

-D

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Re: /etc/init.d/ - add/remove services

[David Z Maze]

[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:

> What is the preferred way to add or remove a /etc/init.d/ service
> from certain runlevels?

'ln -s' and 'rm', respectively.

> The Debian Policy Manual and man pages suggest I should use
> update-rc.d rather than manipulate the symlinks directly.

They suggest that *Debian packages* use update-rc.d, not system
administrators.

> I have searched around and in the past, people have suggested to just 
> manipulate the symlinks directly.  Is this still the case?

Yes.  The Debian infrastructure treats those as user configuration and
doesn't change them, provided you've left at least one symlink around.

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Send output to file & printer

[James Horvath]

Title: Send output to file & printer






Not new to linux per say, but have done almost no shell scripting or programming with it, so consider me a complete rookie.

Using lpd, is there a simple way using the command line to send the output of a process to both a file and a printer at the same time?  

Optionally, how might I go about saving a copy of a print job to file before it prints (without disabling the print queue itself)?

As an example, if I issue a command like "ls -laF" on a directory, can I have the output of that command go to a file (filename = username_date_time.txt), and print on a remote printer at the same time, or do I have to run two commands?  

Essentially this would be used to capture certain print jobs for possible reprint if something goes wrong with the printer, or for archival purposes.

Is this possible?


Jim






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Re: /etc/init.d/ - add/remove services

[Adam Aube]

On Friday 30 January 2004 04:36 pm, Ben Yau wrote:
> I don't know if there is a preferred way.  There are many ways and
> choose the one you like.  The convention I use is to rename the
> file/link with a "no" in front.

That reminds me of another way - rename the capital S or K to a lower 
case. Same benefits/drawbacks as the method you describe.

Adam


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Re: Cloning

[Alan Chandler]

On Thursday 29 January 2004 5:00 pm, Preston Boyington wrote:
> > Subject: Cloning

> you may also want to look into having the target systems "apt-get" from
> your source machine's cache.  that way only one system is downloading from
> the internet and the rest look to it for updates and such.
>

apt-proxy is the command that sets this cache up


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Re: Isolationism is history.

[s. keeling]

Incoming from Colin Watson:
> 
> But be very careful about doing that; you may well end up "tainted" if
> you sign source licence agreements, and writing free software thereafter

Besides, considering their record so far, what (of any value) could
possibly be learned from them?  From what I've seen over the years,
ideas have been going in the other direction (to their credit).


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RE: /etc/init.d/ - add/remove services

[Ben Yau]

> -Original Message-
> From: s. keeling [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Sent: Friday, January 30, 2004 12:39 PM
> To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Subject: Re: /etc/init.d/ - add/remove services
>
>
> Incoming from Adam Aube:
> > On Friday 30 January 2004 03:15 pm, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> > > What is the preferred way to add or remove a /etc/init.d/ service from
> > > certain runlevels?
> >
> > For adding, use the update-rc.d script. To remove, just manually delete
> > the symlink. You can use update-rc.d to remove, but you would need to
> > first remove all the symlinks, then add the set that you want.
>
> Alternatively, leave the links alone and just manipulate the scripts
> in /etc/init.d themselves.  If you don't want something to run, insert
> "exit" near the top of the script (after the shebang line).
>
>

I don't know if there is a preferred way.  There are many ways and choose
the one you like.  The convention I use is to rename the file/link with a
"no" in front.
e.g.

mv /etc/rc3.d/K96pcmcia /etc/rc3.d/noK96pcmcia
mv /etc/rc3.d/S50snmpd /etc/rc3.d/noS50snmpd

That way if I ever want to put it back, I know where the original file was .

The advantage it would have over the "exit" method above is that by doing an
"ls" on the /etc/rc*d directories you can see what services are
started/killed clearly and also what services used to be started/killed by
the "no" in the filename whereas with the "exit" you'd have to look in the
file itself to find that the service was being killed.  Also, you have finer
control over the runlevels.  Putting an "exit" in the script will kill the
service for all runlevels.  Whereas renaming a link will kill for an
individual runlevel.  THe disadvantage is if you do want to disable the
service altogether, you wlil have to possibly rename up to 6 scripts where
as in the "exit" method you just have to edit one script.


Just another alternative.






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Re: postfix [was Re: Sendmail vs Exim vs Others]

[Thorsten Haude]

Hi,

* Nano Nano wrote (2004-01-30 09:16):
>Jan 29 21:54:37 desk postfix/pickup[1851]: E6A93145E1: uid=[removed] from=<[removed]>
>Jan 29 21:54:37 desk postfix/cleanup[1856]: E6A93145E1: message-id=<[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>Jan 29 21:54:37 desk postfix/qmgr[1852]: E6A93145E1: from=<[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, 
>size=404, nrcpt=1 (queue active)
>Jan 29 21:54:38 desk postfix/smtp[1858]: E6A93145E1: to=<[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, 
>relay=smtp.comcast.net[216.148.227.125], delay=1, status=bounced (host 
>smtp.comcast.net[216.148.227.125] said: 550 [PERMFAIL] comcast.net requires valid 
>sender (in reply to RCPT TO command))

I deliver my mails with a valid from address, which [EMAIL PROTECTED] is
not. Maybe you should fix your MUA?


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Re: Mobo with fan controls

[rthoreau]

On Fri, Jan 30, 2004 at 01:50:53PM -0600, Hugo Vanwoerkom wrote:
> s. keeling wrote:
> >Incoming from Hugo Vanwoerkom:
> >
> >>I am looking for a mobo that has controls on for all its fans so they 
> >>can be turned off or down when not needed, like the laptops do.
> >
> >
> >I have never understood you guys who want to do this with finesse.
> 
> It's in the, what?, brain, soul, character?  I play with the box as with 
> Debian: I have now 8 Debian partitions on 2 HD's, varying from Sarge 
> without Backstreet Ruby to Sarge with Backstreet Ruby, kernel 2.4.22 AND 
> kernel 2.6.0, and now with Woody from the 7 CD's I downloaded. I am 
> after "perfect" control and the box has to be next to me because it's 
> dear to me (?), but it makes noise whether it needs to or not and that 
> ought not to be... ;-)
> 
> Hugo
 
As posted earlier in this thread a good case is a must, also it all starts with 
good cooling.
Just make sure your case fans and HSF are rated for your amps of your motherboard.
Another thing is if your case fans come with mb hearders use them, otherwise when you
go to check your temps, fan speeds, in the bios you won't know speeds otherwise.

One of the most important is your cpu HSF you need one which is quite. If you follow
the hardware sites you notice which ones are quite, also remember the bigger the fan
the less noisy it is.  Most good 80 mm case fans are pretty quite, usually cpu HSF
are more loud then case fans. If you really feel that a knob will make things quite
then by all means go for it. I like to think that if your using a case fan with a knob
to make it quite, then why not get a bigger fan?

Another thing you could do is go to your local whitebox builder, and ask if you
could hear some of their case fans, HSF's in action.  That way you will know what
to expect, maybe they could give you some idea's to what has worked for them.

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Re: Isolationism is history.

[Colin Watson]

On Fri, Jan 30, 2004 at 11:45:49AM -0800, Nano Nano wrote:
> I used to have read-only access to that codebase.  The code is actually 
> pretty clean and maintainable (what I read).  Microsoft does tend to use 
> gotos for error exits.

Good-oh. The Linux kernel does that too. :) "GOTO considered harmful"
has a valid point, but it can be used correctly to make certain kinds of
code a lot more readable and in fact make it easier to demonstrate
correctness.

> You can probably read the Windows code by looking at the Windows CE.NET 
> source which is freely available.  It's a fork.  You can get a flavor of 
> it.  If you try real hard, you can probably via a University take a look 
> at the source -- Microsoft is handing out read-access grudgingly.  Work 
> within the system and you can accomplish that goal.

But be very careful about doing that; you may well end up "tainted" if
you sign source licence agreements, and writing free software thereafter
could be difficult.

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Re: /etc/init.d/ - add/remove services

[s. keeling]

Incoming from Adam Aube:
> On Friday 30 January 2004 03:15 pm, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> > What is the preferred way to add or remove a /etc/init.d/ service from
> > certain runlevels?
> 
> For adding, use the update-rc.d script. To remove, just manually delete 
> the symlink. You can use update-rc.d to remove, but you would need to 
> first remove all the symlinks, then add the set that you want.

Alternatively, leave the links alone and just manipulate the scripts
in /etc/init.d themselves.  If you don't want something to run, insert
"exit" near the top of the script (after the shebang line).


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Re: Plotting pixel maps and graphs.

[Pigeon]

On Fri, Jan 30, 2004 at 04:53:48PM -, Geoff Bagley wrote:
> I wish to use my Debian box for plotting the output of compiled
> programmes in the form of bitmaps or cartesian pixel maps either
> on the X window display, or on a laserjet printer.
> 
> The material to be plotted consists of calculated mathematical graphs
> and  maps or plans.  Does  Debian include any packages for math-
> plotting or geographical plotting ?
> 
> Could possibly be "piped" to (say) ghostscript ?

"apt-cache search plot" gives more possibilities than you can shake a stick
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Re: about Flyvideo 98 card

[Pigeon]

On Fri, Jan 30, 2004 at 01:13:43AM -0800, j smith wrote:
> i have 2 TV cards:
> 
> 1) Flyvideo 98 card, bt878 chip
> 2) Ati TV-wonder VE
> 
> the 2nd card works under Debian 3.0, but the 1st does
> not. can you help me?

BT878-based cards ought to work OK. What exactly do you mean by "does not
work"? What error messages do you get? What does xawtv do/not do when you
try and use the card? What does lsmod say? Do you have something like this
in /etc/modules.conf:

# The BTTV module does not load the tuner module automatically,
# so do that in here
# (in 2.4.24) Oh yes it does!
#post-install bttv insmod tuner
post-remove bttv rmmod tuner

# from /usr/src/linux/Documentation/video4linux/bttv/Modules.conf

# i2c
alias char-major-89 i2c-dev
options i2c-corei2c_debug=1
options i2c-algo-bitbit_test=1

# bttv
alias char-major-81 videodev
alias char-major-81-0   bttv
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# tuner=1 - Philips PAL_I FI1246
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Re: Mobo with fan controls

[Pigeon]

On Fri, Jan 30, 2004 at 09:27:57AM -0600, Hugo Vanwoerkom wrote:
> Hi Debian List!
> 
> I am looking for a mobo that has controls on for all its fans so they 
> can be turned off or down when not needed, like the laptops do.
> 
> Googling and searching the hardware vendors/reviewers I am having 
> trouble searching for that specific feature and did not find it.
> 
> Anybody knows of/has a mobo that does that, or knows what search 
> criteria are successful in finding that?
> 
> IMI would like my next hardware upgrade to be a silent machine and and 
> now it always sits next to me whirring(sp).

My personal solution to fan noise is to run ordinary fans at slow speed,
which makes them essentially silent, and just use more of them.

To slow them down I either run them off the 5V supply instead of 12V, or
stick a resistor in series with them - something between 150 and 220 ohms
usually does the trick. Which approach I use for any given fan has to be
determined by playing with the fan concerned - some prefer to be run off the
lower voltage, and some prefer the resistor - "prefer" meaning "start by
themselves without needing the flick of a finger". The only one I don't do
this to is the CPU fan - I leave that with the full unhindered 12V.

It doesn't work with hard drives though :-)

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Re: kernel: __alloc_pages: 0-order allocation failed (after upgrade to2.4.23/24)

[Day Brown]

Shri Shrikumar wrote:
> 
> Hi,
> 
> I seem to have a recurring problem after upgrading to 2.4.23. I also
> tried moving to 2.4.24 with no luck.
> 
> I have system with 256mb ram and 1gb swapdisk. During certain nights
> (seemingly random), the kernel spews forth a number of messages like th
> one in the subject and kills random processes rendering the machine
> useless until a reboot.
> 
> I suspected memory shortage but now having mrtg running on it graphing
> free memory, it shows that there was a minimum of over 400mb memory (RAM
> + SWAP) at any given time.
> 
> Does anyone have ideas why the kernel might be dying like this?
Its not the dram, it's the cache on the mthbd or cpu. You could look at
your CMOS. If the battery is bad, maybe the cache settings have been
changed. Or- you could try changing them. There's dos programs to put a
CMOS copy on a boot disk, along with diagnostics that boot in dos off
the floppy, eliminating or identifying hard drive errors.

BSD recommends using fdisk at the install to create a small dos
partition to run diagnostic tools. You can also use it as a place to
park your bookmarks or whatever during a new Linux install.


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Re: /etc/init.d/ - add/remove services

[Adam Aube]

On Friday 30 January 2004 03:15 pm, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> What is the preferred way to add or remove a /etc/init.d/ service from
> certain runlevels?

For adding, use the update-rc.d script. To remove, just manually delete 
the symlink. You can use update-rc.d to remove, but you would need to 
first remove all the symlinks, then add the set that you want.

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Re: Mobo with fan controls

[Hugo Vanwoerkom]

M.Kirchhoff wrote:
Hugo Vanwoerkom  care2.com> writes:


I am looking for a mobo that has controls on for all its fans so they 
can be turned off or down when not needed, like the laptops do.


You'd be better off with a separate fan-control system. Something like the
following:
http://store.yahoo.com/directron/nxp301.html
I've actually been putting together a "quiet" system myself, so let me add a few
other things.
1. Get a passively cooled video card. These are hard to find off the shelf now,
as most of the newer cards get really hot and thus have HSFs.  You can, however,
replace the HSFs with rather intricate passive cooling systems.
2. Get quiet hard drives, like the Seagate Barracuda 7200.7 line. 

3. The power supply is often overlooked, even though they are often one of the
noisiest components. I've found Zalman and Enermax to be a reliable producer of
quiet PS's. Mine is the Enermax EG36P-VE(FMA).
4. Get a mobo that has a passively cooled North Bridge. Many of the newer boards
come with HSFs instead of just a heat sink, which adds to the noise.
5. Don't overclock! The proc fan is *the* screamer on most systems. Keep it at
the rated frequency and use a massive heatsink and a low-rpm fan.
6. Get yourself a solid case. Lian-Li makes some of the best. Mine is quite
nice, a "quiet" model with a closing front door that hides my ugly, mismatched
bay drives: http://store.yahoo.com/directron/pc6070.html
Good luck!
--M. Kirchhoff


Good points, I am going to follow up on it. Thanks.

Hugo.

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Re: [OT] Bruce Perens talks to BBC [ PLEASE STOP ]

[Nano Nano]

On Fri, Jan 30, 2004 at 04:37:39PM -0300, federico silva wrote:
> if this long thread has gone for 
> soo long with the [OT] tag
> why don't you  go to another place 
> to talk about this *rather* OT stuff.

okay
http://lists.debian.org/debian-user/2004/debian-user-200401/msg06917.html


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/etc/init.d/ - add/remove services

[mrl7d4]

What is the preferred way to add or remove a /etc/init.d/ service from certain 
runlevels?

The Debian Policy Manual and man pages suggest I should use update-rc.d rather 
than manipulate the symlinks directly.  The man page for update-rc.d says, 
"If  any  files  /etc/rcrunlevel.d/[SK]??name already exist then update-rc.d   
 
does nothing."  What do I do to remove a service from a particular run-level?

I have searched around and in the past, people have suggested to just 
manipulate the symlinks directly.  Is this still the case?

I apologize if I have missed something obvious here!

Thanks,
Mike


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Re: Mobo with fan controls

[Hugo Vanwoerkom]

s. keeling wrote:
Incoming from Hugo Vanwoerkom:

I am looking for a mobo that has controls on for all its fans so they 
can be turned off or down when not needed, like the laptops do.


I have never understood you guys who want to do this with finesse.
It's in the, what?, brain, soul, character?  I play with the box as with 
Debian: I have now 8 Debian partitions on 2 HD's, varying from Sarge 
without Backstreet Ruby to Sarge with Backstreet Ruby, kernel 2.4.22 AND 
kernel 2.6.0, and now with Woody from the 7 CD's I downloaded. I am 
after "perfect" control and the box has to be next to me because it's 
dear to me (?), but it makes noise whether it needs to or not and that 
ought not to be... ;-)

Hugo







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Re: Aptitude update to testing ok BUT

[s. keeling]

Incoming from Ray Curd:
> I have just used Aptitude to upgrade to testing from Woody, everything 
> went smoothly- no major error messages BUT my default window manager has 
> been changed to Gnome. Iwas asked in the set-up script my preferred 
> window manager and I chose KDM. KDE has been upgraded so what do I need 

First, kdm is the graphical login thingy (like xdm, gdm).  It should
have a drop down menu on it where you can shoose your wm.

Second, this might be a job for dpkg-reconfigure.

Third, I've found this all a hopelessly anarchic feature no matter
which distribution I've used.  None of these things (kde, gnome,
enlightenment, ...) play well with each other, and each relishes the
chance to step on the others' toes.  And, if you use xinit instead of
*dm, things change again.

Best might be to search the archives and try what you find.  Once you
get it working, don't swap back and forth between wm's or you'll just
give it the chance to become confused again.


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Re: [OT] Bruce Perens talks to BBC [ PLEASE STOP ]

[federico silva]

if this long thread has gone for 
soo long with the [OT] tag
why don't you  go to another place 
to talk about this *rather* OT stuff.

Please? 
Now!

fede


On Tuesday 27 January 2004 20:30, Nano Nano wrote:
> On Wed, Jan 28, 2004 at 05:26:52AM +0800, Katipo wrote:
> > The only westernized nation that spends less on health care/capita than
> > the U.S. is Turkey.
>
> You are forgetting the private sector.  It's the best in the world for
> those who can get it.  True, it's not distributed uniformly, but our
> poor are the healthiest and fattest on the planet.
>
> [snip the rest]
>
> Bah.

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Aptitude update to testing ok BUT

[Ray Curd]

I have just used Aptitude to upgrade to testing from Woody, everything 
went smoothly- no major error messages BUT my default window manager has 
been changed to Gnome. Iwas asked in the set-up script my preferred 
window manager and I chose KDM. KDE has been upgraded so what do I need 
to do to make this the default  wm  again.

As usual all help greatly appreciated.

Ray Curd.

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Re: Isolationism is history.

[Nano Nano]

On Thu, Jan 29, 2004 at 08:05:36PM -0800, Day Brown wrote:
> women barefoot and pregnant. The only thing they want, they only thing
> they have always wanted, is more sons to go into battle to steal more
> women for the alpha male warrior class leaders. That's what they been
> doing, in Iraq and elsewhere, for 5000 years.

Aw, you'll probably get the chance to stick it in eventually.  Keep 
trying.

> but- from your modem on, *they* own all the rest of the hardware and
> software. I dont trust the bastards. I Know they dont have the

They may own it, but you every pimply-faced teenager working at an ISP 
can get their hands on the bits midstream.  And you'd be shocked the 
sorts of people who have access to your Credit report data.  It's 
absolutely scandalous how poor the access controls are on things.  As I 
have said many times, its the unregulated private operatives who make my 
life hell.

We need to tear down the entire internet and start over with proper 
encryption from the ground up.  We need to tear down the entire credit 
system (imagine!) and start over with proper authentication and 
encryption.  I have my own ideas about *how* to do this (hint, it starts 
with a planetwide DNA database and assigning each of us a 128-bit 
number) -- you will undoubtedly have your own.

> the problem, consider ATTRIB.EXE, which is used to mark files with
> A)rchived, S)ystem, H)idden, R)ead only. Pretty simple. The usual MS
> version runs about 25-30,000 bytes. But if you go to the dos hacker tool
> lists, you can find ATTR.COM ... all 627 bytes of it. What does
> Micky$loth do with the other 25,000 bytes? Nobody knows.

I used to have read-only access to that codebase.  The code is actually 
pretty clean and maintainable (what I read).  Microsoft does tend to use 
gotos for error exits.  There are a couple of famously trapped 
exceptions (such as a floating point GPF in Visual Basic) which are 
"normal."

You can probably read the Windows code by looking at the Windows CE.NET 
source which is freely available.  It's a fork.  You can get a flavor of 
it.  If you try real hard, you can probably via a University take a look 
at the source -- Microsoft is handing out read-access grudgingly.  Work 
within the system and you can accomplish that goal.


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kernel: __alloc_pages: 0-order allocation failed (after upgrade to 2.4.23/24)

[Shri Shrikumar]

Hi,

I seem to have a recurring problem after upgrading to 2.4.23. I also
tried moving to 2.4.24 with no luck.

I have system with 256mb ram and 1gb swapdisk. During certain nights
(seemingly random), the kernel spews forth a number of messages like th
one in the subject and kills random processes rendering the machine
useless until a reboot.

I suspected memory shortage but now having mrtg running on it graphing
free memory, it shows that there was a minimum of over 400mb memory (RAM
+ SWAP) at any given time.

Does anyone have ideas why the kernel might be dying like this?

Thanks and best wishes,

Shri

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Re: Mobo with fan controls

[s. keeling]

Incoming from Monique Y. Herman:
> On 2004-01-30, s. keeling penned:
> > Incoming from Hugo Vanwoerkom:
> >> 
> >> I am looking for a mobo that has controls on for all its fans so they
> >> can be turned off or down when not needed, like the laptops do.
> >
> > I have never understood you guys who want to do this with finesse.
> > Just brute force it!  Get a desk that has a big enough pedestal or
> 
> I'm no expert, but I think you'd overheat your machine rather rapidly,
> unless of course the drawer is about the size of a room.  Ventilation is

The one I had from Ikea had a pedestal on one side containing a
cabinet with removeable shelves.  Throw those away and you could
(almost) fit a Netra in there.  Drill holes, mount input and output
fans (on the inside), ...

Soundproofed enclosures used to be THE thing back in the days of dot
matrix (or daisy wheel) printers. 


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Re: Esta

[Jan Suchy]

Or use mozilla packages from www.backports.org.
They are compiled for woody.
Hugo Vanwoerkom wrote:
Joel Konkle-Parker wrote:

My Mozilla (1.0.0, 3.0r2) always reacts badly to these kinds of 
messages (with the subject full of s), freezing up, running the 
cpu to 100% for 30 secs or so, leaking memory, etc.

Anyone have any advice?


Download a Mozilla 1.6 binary from:

http://www.mozilla.org/releases/

or (what I do) apt-get install libxft2 and libxft-dev from

deb 
http://ftp.acc.umu.se/mirror/mirrors.evilgeniuses.org.uk/debian/backports/woody/ 
gnome2.2/

and gcc-3.2 from:

deb http://www.fs.tum.de/~bunk/debian woody/bunk-1 main contrib non-free

and get the source of 1.6 from

http://ftp.mozilla.org/pub/mozilla.org/mozilla/releases/mozilla1.6/src/mozilla-source-1.6.tar.bz2 

and compile it yourself using gcc/c++-3.2 and the xft libs for 
antialiasing support. That is the latest Mozilla release which has none 
of the probs of 1.0.0. But... it is not a Debian package of course.

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Re: 256-color xterm

[Matt Price]

On Fri, Jan 30, 2004 at 12:10:41PM -, Thomas Dickey wrote:
> Matt Price <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> 
> > ok, I went ahead and compiled/installed a 256-color xterm.  I was
> > hoping that the extra colors would magically appear for me in xemacs,
> > but emacs still thinks I have only 16 colors.  Also I tried running some of
> 
> That could be a termcap issue - emacs has to see the xterm-256color entry.
> But I don't use emacs, and only know secondhand about the script it uses
> for setting this up.
> 
> > the tests in vttests (um, I get the impression from the net that you
> > wrote these, Thomas!) but the oly one that seemed to generate more
> 
> most of them - not the 256colors.pl (though I've made changes to it).
> 
> > than 16 colors was dynamic.sh.  256colors.pl, for instance, only shows
> > the ANSI colors, not the 16x16 box or the grayscale ramp its supposed
> > to.  Do I have to set some other variables somewhere (e.g., in
> > .Xdefaults) to make sure xtemr understnads 256-colors?
> 
> No - the main thing here is whether your X server has enough colors available.
> The 8-bit displays don't.  I've tested this mostly with 16-bit displays.
> xterm has defaults for the color resources (compiled in), so that's normally
> not a problem.  Otherwise, when color is enabled there's no additional
> resources controlling whether the 256-colors are available.
> 

sorry for coming back so quick, I found some info on the net and
just restarted X with 
startx -- :1 -bpp 16

which I understand ought to give me a 16-bit display; but still no
luck with the color cube.  

sigh.  
best,
matt


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Re: Mobo with fan controls

[Monique Y. Herman]

On 2004-01-30, s. keeling penned:
> Incoming from Hugo Vanwoerkom:
>> 
>> I am looking for a mobo that has controls on for all its fans so they
>> can be turned off or down when not needed, like the laptops do.
>
> I have never understood you guys who want to do this with finesse.
> Just brute force it!  Get a desk that has a big enough pedestal or
> drawer that you can fit the system unit into (Ikea sold one for
> C$50.00).  Soundproof that enclosure, run connector wires out the back
> to your monitor, mouse, and keyboard, drill holes in the enclosure and
> cover them with dust filter material.  Then just close the door on the
> thing.  You won't even need the system unit cover on your box anymore.
> Point noisy, high volume fans directly at hot spots.  Who cares how
> much sound they make?  They're inside a sound proof enclosure!
>

Umm ...

I'm no expert, but I think you'd overheat your machine rather rapidly,
unless of course the drawer is about the size of a room.  Ventilation is
good!

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Re: 256-color xterm

[Matt Price]

On Fri, Jan 30, 2004 at 12:10:41PM -, Thomas Dickey wrote:
> Matt Price <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > On Fri, Jan 30, 2004 at 01:02:07AM -, Thomas Dickey wrote:
> >> Matt Price <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> >> > On Wed, Jan 28, 2004 at 10:55:51PM -, Thomas Dickey wrote:
> >> >> 
> >> >> The XFree86 xterm supports ANSI color and VT220 emulation
> >> >> There's an faq at
> >> >> http://invisible-island.net/xterm/xterm.faq.html
> >> >> ftp://invisible-island.net/xterm/
> >> >> 
> >> 
> >  > Not exactly (I don't make any of those packages, but frequently compile
> >> xterm on systems where they're installed).  Looking at the stuff I've
> >> installed, it appears that xlibs-dev and libxaw6-dev is what you need to
> >> be able to do this.  So making a package shouldn't require anything more
> >> (except of course the package-building-packages) than what I need to 
> >> compile xterm.  After all, they're not incorporated into xterm's package.
> >>
> 
> > ok, I went ahead and compiled/installed a 256-color xterm.  I was
> > hoping that the extra colors would magically appear for me in xemacs,
> > but emacs still thinks I have only 16 colors.  Also I tried running some of
> 
> That could be a termcap issue - emacs has to see the xterm-256color entry.
> But I don't use emacs, and only know secondhand about the script it uses
> for setting this up.
> 
> > the tests in vttests (um, I get the impression from the net that you
> > wrote these, Thomas!) but the oly one that seemed to generate more
> 
> most of them - not the 256colors.pl (though I've made changes to it).
> 
> > than 16 colors was dynamic.sh.  256colors.pl, for instance, only shows
> > the ANSI colors, not the 16x16 box or the grayscale ramp its supposed
> > to.  Do I have to set some other variables somewhere (e.g., in
> > .Xdefaults) to make sure xtemr understnads 256-colors?
> 
> No - the main thing here is whether your X server has enough colors available.
> The 8-bit displays don't.  I've tested this mostly with 16-bit displays.
> xterm has defaults for the color resources (compiled in), so that's normally
> not a problem.  Otherwise, when color is enabled there's no additional
> resources controlling whether the 256-colors are available.
> 

-- so I'm a bit confused.  Does this mean I should check in my
XF86config-4 (or someplace similar) to see if my display is 8 or 16
bit?  Or is something else meant by #display' in this context?  I
don#t know how to find that kind of information out (I should say,
though, that my monitor is a fairly modern color moniitor which has
'millions of colors' when I attach it to my mac...

thanks,
matt


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Re: Converting rpm to deb with alien loses dependencies

[Fraser Campbell]

On Friday 30 January 2004 13:41, Albert Dengg wrote:

> And if I read the manpage of alien correctly, alien does only support
> dependencys when converting from lsb packages

Unfortunately it looks like you're correct, I skimmed that paragraph the first 
time thinking it wasn't relevant:

   lsb  To convert from lsb packages, the Red Hat Package Manager must be
installed. Unlike the other package formats, alien can handle the
depenendencies of lsb packages if the destination package format 
supports
dependencies. Note that this means that the package generated from a 
lsb
package will depend on a package named "lsb" -- your distribution 
should
provide a package by that name, if it is lsb compliant. The scripts in 
the
lsb package will be converted by default as well.

Key is the statement "Unlike the other package formats, alien can handle the 
depenendencies of lsb packages".  That sucks.  Oh well, time to start 
building debs directly.

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Re: Mobo with fan controls

[s. keeling]

Incoming from Hugo Vanwoerkom:
> 
> I am looking for a mobo that has controls on for all its fans so they 
> can be turned off or down when not needed, like the laptops do.

I have never understood you guys who want to do this with finesse.
Just brute force it!  Get a desk that has a big enough pedestal or
drawer that you can fit the system unit into (Ikea sold one for
C$50.00).  Soundproof that enclosure, run connector wires out the back
to your monitor, mouse, and keyboard, drill holes in the enclosure and
cover them with dust filter material.  Then just close the door on the
thing.  You won't even need the system unit cover on your box anymore.
Point noisy, high volume fans directly at hot spots.  Who cares how
much sound they make?  They're inside a sound proof enclosure!


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Re: Sendmail vs Exim vs Others

[Andy Firman]

On Fri, Jan 30, 2004 at 06:36:44PM +0100, Vincent Lefevre wrote:
> On 2004-01-30 09:03:28 -0800, Steve Lamb wrote:
> >
> > Exim does not need an MDA and has its own user-level filtering.  For 
> > example here's the filter for this list:
> > 
> > # Debian-user
> > if
> >   $h_List-ID: contains ""
> > then
> >   save Mail/debian-user
> > endif
> 
> But the man page is far from being clear and incomplete (compared to
> the procmail man pages).

man eximhas little info about the exim filters.
man -k exim does not show anything about filters.

So do this:

~$ zless /usr/share/doc/exim/filter.txt.gz



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Re: Sendmail vs Exim vs Others

[Miquel van Smoorenburg]

In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
Vincent Lefevre  <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>On 2004-01-30 09:03:28 -0800, Steve Lamb wrote:
>> Exim does not need an MDA and has its own user-level filtering.
>
>But the man page is far from being clear and incomplete (compared to
>the procmail man pages).
>
>First, what is the user configuration file?
>
>How can I interface it with getmail so that exim returns with no error
>only when the mail has been successfully stored to the user's mailbox
>(or discarded)?
>
>Can it add a "Lines:" header?

See http://www.exim.org/ . Click on "Documentation and FAQs".

The same documentation is available as a text file in /usr/share/doc/exim
(spec.txt and filter.txt).

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Re: Converting rpm to deb with alien loses dependencies

[Albert Dengg]

On Fri, 30 Jan 2004 13:13:37 -0500
Fraser Campbell <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

...
> I'm hoping to convert an rpm package to a deb using alien in an
> automated process on a redhat machine.  I've installed alien (8.43),
> dpkg (1.10.18) and debhelper (4.1.89) on the redhat machine from
> source.
> 
> The issue I'm having is that the converted packages lose the
> dependencies that were defined in the rpm:
...
Hi
It has been a while since I used Redhat (and rpm), but as far as I
remember, rpm dependencys are files, not packages, whereas in debian, it
is based on the package...which results in that it is nearly imposible
to automatically create them..
And if I read the manpage of alien correctly, alien does only support
dependencys when converting from lsb packages

yours,
Albert
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Re: Sendmail vs Exim vs Others

[Monique Y. Herman]

On 2004-01-30, Vincent Lefevre penned:
> On 2004-01-30 09:03:28 -0800, Steve Lamb wrote:
>> Exim does not need an MDA and has its own user-level filtering.
>> For example here's the filter for this list:
>> 
>> # Debian-user if $h_List-ID: contains
>> "" then save Mail/debian-user endif
>
> But the man page is far from being clear and incomplete (compared to
> the procmail man pages).
>

Have you looked at `man procmailex`?  It has a lot of very clear
examples.

Also, have you ever searched the web for procmail?  There are roughly a
billion tutorials and how-tos out there.

I've never figured out exim's rules, though, so maybe it's just a
preference thing.

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Re: game

[Scarletdown]

M.Kirchhoff wrote:
Dr Gavin Seddon  man.ac.uk> writes:


Can anyone suggest a good game that isn't just mindlessly shooting
stuff.  


Late reply, I know, but thought I also suggest The Linux Game Tome at
www.happypenguin.org.  They maintain categorized lists of games that run on
GNU/Linux.  
America's Army

http://www.americasarmy.com/

Never Winter Nights is another one worth looking at.

Also XMAME for old classic arcade games, and perhaps Tux Racer



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Converting rpm to deb with alien loses dependencies

[Fraser Campbell]

Hi,

I'm hoping to convert an rpm package to a deb using alien in an automated 
process on a redhat machine.  I've installed alien (8.43), dpkg (1.10.18) and 
debhelper (4.1.89) on the redhat machine from source.

The issue I'm having is that the converted packages lose the dependencies that 
were defined in the rpm:

[EMAIL PROTECTED] rpm -qpR ~/tmp/sav-3.77-1.i386.rpm
/u/ws/sol/fraser/p4/private
sav-updates = 3.77
/bin/sh
/bin/sh
rpmlib(PayloadFilesHavePrefix) <= 4.0-1
rpmlib(CompressedFileNames) <= 3.0.4-1
ld-linux.so.2
libc.so.6
libsavi.so.3
/bin/sh

[EMAIL PROTECTED] dpkg -I /tmp/sav_3.77-1_i386.deb
 new debian package, version 2.0.
 size 5985598 bytes: control archive= 2205 bytes.
 116 bytes, 5 lines  conffiles
 338 bytes,12 lines  control
3539 bytes,55 lines  md5sums
 135 bytes, 7 lines   *  postinst #!/bin/sh
 132 bytes, 7 lines   *  postrm   #!/bin/sh
  14 bytes, 1 lines  shlibs
 Package: sav
 Version: 3.77-1
 Section: alien
 Priority: extra
 Architecture: i386
 Installed-Size: 7752
 Maintainer: Fraser Campbell <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
 Description: sophos anti-virus

The above conversion was done from the redhat system (7.3).  The same 
conversion performed on Debian also results in lost dependencies.  The  
conversion performed on Debian at least results in a glibc dependency though 
the dependency I care most about (sav-updates) is still lost.

Does anyone know what might be wrong?  We build this package from cron jobs on 
the redhat machine to install on other redhat machines, converting the 
package with alien for the debian installs we do seemed the easiest approach.  
I probably won't have any problems building the deb directly with 
dpkg-buildpackage but I'm curious about the issue with alien, if it can be 
resolved I still prefer that approach.

Thanks
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Isolationism is history.

[Day Brown]

Get over it. Just as we here hope for the improvement of a global system
and the global tools like debian to use it, so the entire government and
economy is wrapped up in it. Whether we like it or not, capitalism
demonstrates that it's lots cheaper that way, and the market rules. 

What worries me, is that there are large organizations which try to
manipulate the rules. The main reason the open source movement is taking
off, is that the programmers like myself have realized that whatever you
craft, they have enuf lawyers and enuf judges to keep you in court
forever, and that it is *they* who will get the patent, (and the profit)
and not the artist who created it.

And just as the USA has tried to manipulate the rules, others in other
regions have realized this, and as a result have adapted, and quit
investing so much in a game which they cannot win.

One of the things we could do, is offer a minimal setup that would fit
on a floppy, which was able to get online, and from that bootstrap,
download the connectivity to post on this list.

One of the problems we have, is that the communication which people
receive has been limited to the transnational media and/or the
traditional received authority. The former reflects the priorities of
the governments and transnational corporations which are terribly short
sighted, threatening ecological disaster. The latter tries to keep the
women barefoot and pregnant. The only thing they want, they only thing
they have always wanted, is more sons to go into battle to steal more
women for the alpha male warrior class leaders. That's what they been
doing, in Iraq and elsewhere, for 5000 years.

If you have the time to read this, you are not likely in either set
above. But to increase the numbers, and therefore the power, of those
who can read this list, we would do well to examine the entire setup,
not just the operating system. You can go into the gray/surplus computer
hardware market and buy all the parts for a computer
(case,mthbd,dram,kybd,mouse,monitor) for less than 200$- *retail*. Right
now, the 20$ mthbds and 20$ cpus are good for 300-600 mhz, which will
run debian just fine.

but- from your modem on, *they* own all the rest of the hardware and
software. I dont trust the bastards. I Know they dont have the
competence they claim, and I see the sabotage software take hits on them
all the time. The last report I saw said that windoz has 95 *million*
lines of code. Neither Gates, nor anyone else, has a handle on it. It
includes software which has been stolen, and I already know of one case
where a programmer, fearing he'd be screwed, inserted sabotage code in
his work in that event.

For the near term, ASAP, we should setup a VPN with a way for debian
users and servers to communicate with each other which has virtually
*NO* windoz servers inbetween. Ironically, such a system already exists
in parts of rural India and the developing world. They dont have phone
lines. each village put up a pc hooked to a radio transceiver, and went
long range wireless. Each village is solar powered. It dont matter what
happens to the government, dont matter what happens to the telephone
system, dont matter what happens to the interent, the villagers can
still contact friends and family in the region.

Villagers are way ahead of us. Which is why Isolationism is History. If
the net takes a serious hit from sabotage or just plain simple stupid
greed cutting corners, and it goes down, the police and law enforcement
can go down, banking and credit card servers will quit, the economy will
tank, and we'll see a crash that makes the 1929 debacle look like a
fender bender.

I have hacked into the binary of Microsoft code. It is like a house
that, as soon as it was built, the carpenters walked out, and left their
tools in the hallway for the new owners to trip over. Breakpoints and
error traps are all over the place. These code snippets can be
deliberately, or inadvertantly triggered. To get an idea of the scale of
the problem, consider ATTRIB.EXE, which is used to mark files with
A)rchived, S)ystem, H)idden, R)ead only. Pretty simple. The usual MS
version runs about 25-30,000 bytes. But if you go to the dos hacker tool
lists, you can find ATTR.COM ... all 627 bytes of it. What does
Micky$loth do with the other 25,000 bytes? Nobody knows.


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Re: Sendmail vs Exim vs Others

[Vincent Lefevre]

On 2004-01-30 09:03:28 -0800, Steve Lamb wrote:
> Exim does not need an MDA and has its own user-level filtering.  For 
> example here's the filter for this list:
> 
> # Debian-user
> if
>   $h_List-ID: contains ""
> then
>   save Mail/debian-user
> endif

But the man page is far from being clear and incomplete (compared to
the procmail man pages).

First, what is the user configuration file?

How can I interface it with getmail so that exim returns with no error
only when the mail has been successfully stored to the user's mailbox
(or discarded)?

Can it add a "Lines:" header?

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Re: Plotting pixel maps and graphs.

[Paul E Condon]

On Fri, Jan 30, 2004 at 04:53:48PM -, Geoff Bagley wrote:
> I wish to use my Debian box for plotting the output of compiled
> programmes in the form of bitmaps or cartesian pixel maps either
> on the X window display, or on a laserjet printer.
> 
> The material to be plotted consists of calculated mathematical graphs
> and  maps or plans.  Does  Debian include any packages for math-
> plotting or geographical plotting ?
> 
> Could possibly be "piped" to (say) ghostscript ?
> 
> TIA
> 
> Geoff.
> 
> 

I use gnuplot, and for scatter plots I use character based graphics, 
putting letters and numerals into a row column array. If the array
is too large (too many rows or columns), I use enscript to shrink it
to fit on a page. 

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Re: Web server with PHP setup & mod-ssl

[Danny O'Brien]

Thanks for the response. I took the action you suggested -- but I didn't delete the previous /etc/apache/httpd.conf file. Now, instead of showing my site on a Web page, my browser treats the main PHP page as a file download and dumps the file to my desktop.

Should I remove apache-ssl, wipe the httpd.conf file, and start over from scratch? Or is there something in the httpd.conf file that I'm missing? I can't find a reference to an SSL module or anything similar.

Thanks in advance! I promise to post all solutions.

- Danny O'Brien



On Jan 29, 2004, at 1:07 PM, Rosenstrauch, David wrote:

 
-Original Message-
From:Danny O'Brien [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent:Thursday, January 29, 2004 12:19 PM
To:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject:Web server with PHP setup & mod-ssl

 
 

 - does "apt-get upgrade" always provide the most secure versions? The reason I ask is: 
[Rosenstrauch, David] 
Debian stable is considered the most secure.  A distro isn't promoted from testing to stable until it's been thoroughly tested.  (See)



- Apache 1.3.26 seems ancient -- is this an OK version to run? I have executed apt-get upgrade, and apt.conf is set for "stable."
[Rosenstrauch, David] 

That said, the flip side of that is that there can be a *long* time between releases in stable.  The last major release of stable was on  19th of July, 2002.

So, yes, the version of Apache in stable is 1.3.26, which is older.  But, as the stable distro is considered the most stable, that's the one you should run if you're most concerned about security.  Although you certainly could upgrade to the version from testing (1.3.29) if you'd like, you should be aware that testing does not receive security updates in nearly as timely a fashion as stable.  (Seehttp://www.debian.org/security/faq#testing)  So that might be a bit on the risky side for you, depending on how secure and mission-critical you need this web server to be



- also, openssl is up to 0.9.6 "l" -- 0.9.6 "c" also seems ancient.

[Rosenstrauch, David] 
Same answer as Apache. 

- My previous build ran mod-ssl. However, there is no mod-ssl package in Debian. Has anyone installed mod-ssl under Debian, or is there a better program for this function?



TIA



- Danny O'Brien
[Rosenstrauch, David] 

There's an apache-ssl package under Debian.  Try "apt-get remove apache" followed by "apt-get install apache-ssl".

 

HTH,

DR

 

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Re: MDA (was: Sendmail vs Exim vs Others)

[Monique Y. Herman]

On 2004-01-30, Thorsten Haude penned:
>
> --ryJZkp9/svQ58syV Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii
> Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding:
> quoted-printable
>
> Moin,
>
> * Katipo wrote (2004-01-30 09:00):
>>Procmail is definitely worth looking at.
>
> If you like Sendmail, you'll *love* Procmail. For other people, try a
> software which looks less like line noise.
>
> I started using Maildrop for real a couple of weeks ago and I am quite
> impressed. Nothing from my previous Mail::Audit script it couldn't
> handle with little effort.
>
>

I still use procmail for some stuff, but for most of my filtering rules,
I use tmda.  Its filter rules are extremely easy to read *and* write.
The only caveat is that tmda acts as a challenge/response system by
default, so if you don't want that functionality, you need to set
ACTION_INCOMING to something other than the default in ~/.tmda/config.

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Re: Esta

[Hugo Vanwoerkom]

Joel Konkle-Parker wrote:
My Mozilla (1.0.0, 3.0r2) always reacts badly to these kinds of messages 
(with the subject full of s), freezing up, running the cpu to 100% 
for 30 secs or so, leaking memory, etc.

Anyone have any advice?


Download a Mozilla 1.6 binary from:

http://www.mozilla.org/releases/

or (what I do) apt-get install libxft2 and libxft-dev from

deb 
http://ftp.acc.umu.se/mirror/mirrors.evilgeniuses.org.uk/debian/backports/woody/ 
gnome2.2/

and gcc-3.2 from:

deb http://www.fs.tum.de/~bunk/debian woody/bunk-1 main contrib non-free

and get the source of 1.6 from

http://ftp.mozilla.org/pub/mozilla.org/mozilla/releases/mozilla1.6/src/mozilla-source-1.6.tar.bz2

and compile it yourself using gcc/c++-3.2 and the xft libs for 
antialiasing support. That is the latest Mozilla release which has none 
of the probs of 1.0.0. But... it is not a Debian package of course.

Hugo.

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Re: Mobo with fan controls

[M . Kirchhoff]

Hugo Vanwoerkom  care2.com> writes:

> I am looking for a mobo that has controls on for all its fans so they 
> can be turned off or down when not needed, like the laptops do.

You'd be better off with a separate fan-control system. Something like the
following:
http://store.yahoo.com/directron/nxp301.html

I've actually been putting together a "quiet" system myself, so let me add a few
other things.

1. Get a passively cooled video card. These are hard to find off the shelf now,
as most of the newer cards get really hot and thus have HSFs.  You can, however,
replace the HSFs with rather intricate passive cooling systems.

2. Get quiet hard drives, like the Seagate Barracuda 7200.7 line. 

3. The power supply is often overlooked, even though they are often one of the
noisiest components. I've found Zalman and Enermax to be a reliable producer of
quiet PS's. Mine is the Enermax EG36P-VE(FMA).

4. Get a mobo that has a passively cooled North Bridge. Many of the newer boards
come with HSFs instead of just a heat sink, which adds to the noise.

5. Don't overclock! The proc fan is *the* screamer on most systems. Keep it at
the rated frequency and use a massive heatsink and a low-rpm fan.

6. Get yourself a solid case. Lian-Li makes some of the best. Mine is quite
nice, a "quiet" model with a closing front door that hides my ugly, mismatched
bay drives: http://store.yahoo.com/directron/pc6070.html

Good luck!
--M. Kirchhoff



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Re: Sendmail vs Exim vs Others

[Steve Lamb]

Vincent Lefevre wrote:
Could you explain why?
Procmail is an MDA which provides filtering.

Exim does not need an MDA and has its own user-level filtering.  For 
example here's the filter for this list:

# Debian-user
if
  $h_List-ID: contains ""
then
  save Mail/debian-user
endif
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hpt366 and kernel 2.6

[Paul Cunnane]

Hi,

I've installed the kernel-image-2.6.0-1-k7 package, and it's mostly
perfect.  One thing that has stopped working is my Highpoint 370 RAID
controller.  I'm not using it for any fancy RAID purposes; I've just got
one disk on it with an NTFS partition left over from when this PC had
Windows on it.

I'm getting a message in dmesg that the hpt366 module couldn't be
unloaded "due to unsafe usage in include/linux/module.h:483" - and then
it doesn't go on to find the drive.  That said, the onboard Via
controller works, despite a similar message about module via82cxxx, so
my other hard drive and both optical drives are fine.

Someone suggested that 2.6 doesn't like IDE kernel modules, and they
need to be compiled in, but why would that be a problem for hpt366 and
not via82cxxx?

-- 
Paul


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