Re: Lost my window manager

[Jochen Schulz]

John Jason Jordan:
> 
> [snip bluetooth mouse problems]

Sorry, cannot comment on that.

> Unfortunately, the entire Gnome panel is gone. Clicking on where things
> are supposed to be in the panel does nothing.

Is the panel gone or is it empty?

> Windows have no title bar
> or icons in the corner to minimize or maximize them The keyboard works,
> but I cannot launch a terminal because I have forgotten the secret
> keyboard shortcut to launch a terminal.

Alt-F2 should spawn a "Run dialog". Use that to run the missing
programs:

metacity
gnome-panel (if it is completely gone)

> The only way I know how to do
> it is Applications > Accessories > Terminal, but there is no panel so I
> can't click on Appplications. I did get to a command line with
> Ctrl-Alt-F1, but I was unable to do anything constructive for failure
> to know what the window manager is called or how to restore it.

That wouldn't have worked anyway, since you have to start X programs in
an X environment.

> I also note that, although I logged in as myself, some of my display
> preferences were not honored. For example, I had Gnome set not to
> display any icons at all on the dekstop. I wanted a dekstop utterly
> devoid of anything except the Gnome panel. However, now all the items
> contained in the Desktop folder appear on the screen.

Did you look for strange messages in /var/log/syslog? It appears
something is seriously broken. Obviously, what you experienced shouldn't
happen.

> I am just about to give up and go back to Ubuntu. I had said at the
> outset of my foray into Debian that I would give it a week, but it has
> become apparent that I do not have the technical expertise to run
> Debian.

The symptoms you describe shouldn't happen in either Debian or Ubuntu.
And if they happen (and you don't know how to work around them), you're
screwed with both distros. :-/

I think I would try moving the Gnome-related files (.gnome2/,
.gnome2_private) in my $HOME out of the way and cnfigure it from
scratch.

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Re: Permissions for /dev/fuse changing at boot

[Vincenzo Tibullo]

2009/11/6 Todd A. Jacobs :
> Every time my system reboots, ownership of /dev/fuse is changed from
> root.fuse to root.root. How can I make the changes permanent, so that
> users in the fuse group have access to the device across reboots?
>
> --

I suggest to wait for the bugs correction to income to unstable or
testing (depending on your installation):
http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=473545

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Re: bug - Setting up php5-idn (1.2b-5.3)

[Boyd Stephen Smith Jr.]

In <350858.31469...@web33306.mail.mud.yahoo.com>, kiw...@yahoo.com wrote:
>Setting up php5-idn (1.2b-5.3) ...
>*** WARNING: ucf was run from a maintainer script that uses debconf, but
> the script did not pass --debconf-ok to ucf. The maintainer
> script should be fixed to not stop debconf before calling ucf,
> and pass it this parameter. For now, ucf will revert to using
> old-style, non-debconf prompting. Ugh!
>
> Please inform the package maintainer about this problem.
>
>Creating config file /etc/php5/conf.d/idn.ini with new version
>
>Can someone please update me as to the issues/resolution that yoou may have.
>Is there an update or bug fix?

I'm sure you can use the web interface on bugs.debian.org yourself.  If 
there's not a bug for this issue on the package, I'd be much obliged if you'd 
file one by using reportbug or the bug report email address.

If you'd like to be notified about all activity on a bug, you can subscribe to 
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the bug number; there will also be a mailto: link exposed on the web interface 
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Re: Permissions for /dev/fuse changing at boot

[Boyd Stephen Smith Jr.]

In <20091106040753.gp3...@penguin.codegnome.org>, Todd A. Jacobs wrote:
>Every time my system reboots, ownership of /dev/fuse is changed from
>root.fuse to root.root. How can I make the changes permanent, so that
>users in the fuse group have access to the device across reboots?

Udev rule, probably.
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Lost my window manager

[John Jason Jordan]

Debian testing amd64, fresh install, idiot newbie user four days old.

I had everything pretty much working and configured except for my
bluetooth mouse. Finally I succeeded in getting it working, although I
cannot tell you how. I had installed Blueman, but it couldn't get the
mouse paired either. But then suddenly I had two bluetooth icons in my
Gnome panel. Using System Monitor I killed two bluetooth devices - that
is, killing the first one changed nothing but killing the second one
deleted one of the bluetooth icons. Afterward I was able to get a GUI
dialog box that found the mouse. And this time I had a Next and a Back
button. I was finally able to get the mouse working when I selected
"connect" but "without pairing."

However, the mouse was not working properly. The pointer moved around,
but left clicking did not work. I could select things only by
right-clicking on them. 

After poking around for a while and not finding a solution I decided to
reboot. When X and Gnome came up I got a popup asking if I wanted to
grant permission to the bluetooth mouse. I said Yes, and the mouse then
worked properly; that is, a left click worked as a left click.

Unfortunately, the entire Gnome panel is gone. Clicking on where things
are supposed to be in the panel does nothing. Windows have no title bar
or icons in the corner to minimize or maximize them The keyboard works,
but I cannot launch a terminal because I have forgotten the secret
keyboard shortcut to launch a terminal. The only way I know how to do
it is Applications > Accessories > Terminal, but there is no panel so I
can't click on Appplications. I did get to a command line with
Ctrl-Alt-F1, but I was unable to do anything constructive for failure
to know what the window manager is called or how to restore it.

I also note that, although I logged in as myself, some of my display
preferences were not honored. For example, I had Gnome set not to
display any icons at all on the dekstop. I wanted a dekstop utterly
devoid of anything except the Gnome panel. However, now all the items
contained in the Desktop folder appear on the screen.

I am just about to give up and go back to Ubuntu. I had said at the
outset of my foray into Debian that I would give it a week, but it has
become apparent that I do not have the technical expertise to run
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bug - Setting up php5-idn (1.2b-5.3)

[kiwi_b]

Hi all,

I am getting a warning show up as follows:
Setting up php5-idn (1.2b-5.3) ...
*** WARNING: ucf was run from a maintainer script that uses debconf, but
 the script did not pass --debconf-ok to ucf. The maintainer
 script should be fixed to not stop debconf before calling ucf,
 and pass it this parameter. For now, ucf will revert to using
 old-style, non-debconf prompting. Ugh!

 Please inform the package maintainer about this problem.

Creating config file /etc/php5/conf.d/idn.ini with new version


when installing the follwing components:
apt-get install apache2 apache2-doc apache2-mpm-prefork apache2-utils libexpat1 
libapache2-mod-php5 php5-common php5-gd php5-idn php-pear php5-imap php5-mcrypt 
php5-mhash php5-mysql php5-sqlite php5-xmlrpc php5-xsl php5-curl


Can someone please update me as to the issues/resolution that yoou may have.
Is there an update or bug fix?

thanks all.

Regards,
Blair Cooper
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Permissions for /dev/fuse changing at boot

[Todd A. Jacobs]

Every time my system reboots, ownership of /dev/fuse is changed from
root.fuse to root.root. How can I make the changes permanent, so that
users in the fuse group have access to the device across reboots?

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Rate-limiting based on packets per second?

[Todd A. Jacobs]

I've read the iptables man page, but I'm not really sure I understand
how to rate-limit packets per second globally. What I'm trying to do is
create a rule that would limit my overall inbound flows to <=200 packets
per second- I don't care about the size, I just want to limit the number
of packets.

I'm thinking some kind of hashlimit on the inbound chain is what I need,
but I can't find any practical examples that show how to do this.

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Re: Serious clock problem

[Andrew Reid]

On Wednesday 04 November 2009 17:53:03 FTALOVER wrote:
> Hi all,
>
> I'm running VMW ESXi 3i (3.5.0) on an 4 CPUs DELL Poweredge 1950.  This
> machine is  hosting 8 virtual machines, 5 running Etch and 3 running
> Lenny. All guests were running fine until I upgraded the kernel to
> linux-image-2.6.26-2-686_2.6.26-19 in the 3 boxes running Lenny.  Now
> those boxes are repeatedly freezing because the system clock seems to
> stall. Forcing the kernel to use acpi_pm as clocksource instead of TSC
> and disabling TSC doesn't seems to help. So, does anybody have any
> suggestion  on how to fix this?

  I've got a Dell Latitude D630 that does this in "lenny", I suspect
it's a kernel bug, since the hardware was stable under "etch".

  I got some relief by using "clocksource=acpi_pm noapic" as kernel
arguments at boot-time, but it's done it one time since then -- 
sounds like you tried something similar.

  I can't find the bug-report thread I was looking at just now,
but if you google the error messages, you can find a bit of
mailing-list traffic (mostly Ubuntu), and some discussion 
of work-arounds, mostly involving kernel arguments.

  Sorry this isn't more helpful...

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Re: apt-get does not resume downloading

[Chris Bannister]

On Fri, Nov 06, 2009 at 02:00:59AM +0700, Sthu Deus wrote:
> Thank You for Your time and answer, Boyd:
> 
> > It does resume downloading, just not in the middle of a single file.  (It 
> > will 
> > only download files that are missing.)  Resuming in the middle of a file 
> > has 
> > shown to be problematic and is not supported by all the mirrors anyway.  
> > Resuming in the middle of a file results in a file with a bad checksum more 
> > often than restarting the file entirely.
> 
> I have downloaded one package with wget to partial dir. - why it did not
> install it but rather has started downloading again?

Why not just download it (using wget -c, for e.g.) then when you have it
all downloaded, put it it in "/var/cache/apt/archives" then apt-get
install packagename should work.
 
> Can I check its integrity (of the downloaded by wget file) by issuing
> 
> apt-get install package

You may not need to, at least I haven't noticed any issues with above
method. But if you want to, you could grab the md5 file from the
repository.

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Re: blurry fonts (again)

[Celejar]

On Fri, 6 Nov 2009 00:03:39 +0100
Florian Kulzer  wrote:

...

> OK, so let's recap:
> 
> You print the Hebrew Wikipedia homepage with "print to file" in
> iceweasel. You get a PDF with misaligned Hebrew characters (kerning
> seems to be off) and this font information:
> 
> name type  emb sub uni object ID
>  - --- --- --- -
> FrankRuehlCLMType 1yes no  yes  5  0
> FrankRuehlCLMType 1yes no  yes  7  0
> BitstreamVeraSerif   CID TrueType  yes no  yes 37  0
> 
> I do the same thing and I get a PDF with properly aligned Hebrew
> characters and this font information:
> 
> name type  emb sub uni object ID
>  - --- --- --- -
> TimesNewRomanBoldCID TrueType  yes no  yes  5  0
> TimesNewRomanCID TrueType  yes no  yes  7  0
> DejaVuSans   CID TrueType  yes no  yes 38  0
> 
> I checked my "good" PDF with pdfedit and the Hebrew characters are
> indeed typeset in TimesNewRoman and TimesNewRomanBold. DejaVuSans is
> used only for the extra information in headers and footers (URL, page
> number, date, time). Your "bad" PDF uses the FrankRuehlCLM font for the
> Hebrew text and BitstreamVeraSerif for headers and footers.
> 
> I think there could be a problem with the FrankRuehlCLM font (package
> "culmus") or pango has a bug with Type 1 fonts. You could try to
> downgrade libpango1.0-0 and friends to their Lenny versions (provided
> that this does not break anything else on your system, of course) or you
> could remove the culmus package so that icewesel is forced to use e.g.
> the DejaVuSerif font for Hebrew passages. (The DejaVu fonts are extended
> versions of their BitstreamVera ancestors; they include Hebrew
> charcters.)

Okay.  So I tried removing culmus, and now a reasonably legible and
normal looking, if not particularly attractive (although that may be
purely subjective, and in the eye of the beholder) PDF is generated,
for which pdffonts shows:

name type  emb sub uni object ID
 - --- --- --- -
FreeSerifBoldCID TrueType  yes no  yes  5  0
FreeSerifCID TrueType  yes no  yes  7  0
BitstreamVeraSerif   CID TrueType  yes no  yes 35  0

I tried using fc-match on these font names, as you showed me in our
first iteration of this thread, but I'm a bit confused by the output:

~$ fc-match FreeSerif FreeSerif.ttf: "FreeSerif" "Mittel"

This seems to indicate that FreeSerif comes from the FreeSerif.ttf
file, which is from the ttf-freefont package. OTOH:

~$ fc-match FreeSerifBold Vera.ttf: "Bitstream Vera Sans" "Roman"

Does this mean that FreeSerifBold is in Vera.ttf and not in
ttf-freefont?  But:

~$ dpkg -L ttf-freefont | grep FreeSerif
/usr/share/fonts/truetype/freefont/FreeSerifItalic.ttf
/usr/share/fonts/truetype/freefont/FreeSerifBoldItalic.ttf
/usr/share/fonts/truetype/freefont/FreeSerif.ttf
/usr/share/fonts/truetype/freefont/FreeSerifBold.ttf

I find all this stuff fairly baffling.

Regarding your other suggestion about downgrading libpango, trying to
do that requires removing some packages that are important to me, or
doing a fairly significant looking downgrade of a number of packages,
so I'm going to hold off on that, at least for now.

Thanks much!

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Re: what's your favourite FLOSS?

[Celejar]

On Thu, 5 Nov 2009 15:56:48 +0200
Tshepang Lekhonkhobe  wrote:

...

> audio editor:
> audio player: [g]mplayer
> cd-ripper:
> DBMS:
> desktop environment OR window manager: xfce[4]
> development: perl
> disc burner:
> e-mail client: sylpheed
> file manager: mc
> finance:
> ftp client: ncftp
> games: wesnoth
> image creator/editor:
> image viewer: mirage
> instant messenger: xchat, gajim
> mathematics:
> misc utilities: recoll, rsnapshot, rdiff-backup
> p2p:
> package manager: aptitude
> pdf/ps-reader: evince
> spreadsheet:
> terminal emulator: xfce-terminal
> text editor: geany, bluefish, mousepad, vi
> video player: [g]mplayer
> web browser: iceweasel, links2
> word-processor: oowriter
> non-free:

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Re: OT: strip hebrew vowels and accents from utf-8 text

[David Purton]

On Thu, Nov 05, 2009 at 04:00:59PM -0500, Celejar wrote:
> > Can anyone suggest a simple way to strip vowels out of utf-8 encoded
> > hebrew text, leaving just the consenants?
> 
> #! /usr/bin/perl -w
> 
> use strict;
> use Encode;
> 
> while (<>) {
>   $_ = Encode::decode('utf-8', $_);
>   s/[\x{0591}-\x{05C7}]//g;
>   print Encode::encode('utf-8', $_);
> }

Perfect. Thanks, muchly.

David

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Re: A laptop installation challenge

[Kevin Buhr]

AG  writes:
>
> On one disk I found something that booted into the grub prompt.  I
> did some reading up on grub and some basic commands.  I didn't get
> very far - it reports back that there is an ext2fs loaded on
> /dev/hda1 which I'm assuming was root, although I am sure that when
> I partitioned the drive today I selected ext3.

That's to be expected. Ext3 filesystems are basically ext2 filesystems
with a journal. Many tools will recognize them as ext2 filesystems,
and they can even be mounted, read, and written by pre-ext3 Linux
kernels as if they were ext2 filesystems.

And Andrew is right. If you've got a bootable GRUB disk, then you need
to try that first. You didn't say what GRUB commands you tried, but
did you try something like this:

root (hd0,0)
ls
## If this fails, try (hd0,1) or (hd0,2) until "ls" gives you what
## looks like your newly installed Debian root filesystem.
kernel /boot/vmlinuz-xx.yy.zz-aa-generic root=/dev/hda1
initrd /boot/initrd.img-xx.yy.zz-aa-generic
boot

For the kernel and initrd file names, you can use  to complete
the filenames (or the GRUB "ls" command to poke around until you find
the right names). The "root=/dev/hda1" option might not be
necessary. Try with and without it.

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External HDD drive with ext4 mount only as root

[Ivan Marin]

Hello list,

I'm just salvaged a laptop HDD, put it on a USB case, and formatted with
ext4. But when I plug it on, it mounts only with root permissions. USB Flash
drives mounts correctly here. I'm not willing to put a line on fstab, as
this HDD will be used on several different machines. How can I mount it as
my user? I'm using kde4 on sid.

dmesg output:
usb 1-1: new high speed USB device using ehci_hcd and address 8
usb 1-1: New USB device found, idVendor=152d, idProduct=2339
usb 1-1: New USB device strings: Mfr=1, Product=2, SerialNumber=5
usb 1-1: Product: USB to ATA/ATAPI Bridge
usb 1-1: Manufacturer: JMicron
usb 1-1: SerialNumber: 83E8925A4FFF
usb 1-1: configuration #1 chosen from 1 choice
scsi17 : SCSI emulation for USB Mass Storage devices
usb-storage: device found at 8
usb-storage: waiting for device to settle before scanning
usb-storage: device scan complete
scsi 17:0:0:0: Direct-Access FUJITSU  MHZ2250BJ FFS G2  PQ: 0 ANSI:
2 CCS
sd 17:0:0:0: Attached scsi generic sg2 type 0
sd 17:0:0:0: [sdb] 488397168 512-byte logical blocks: (250 GB/232 GiB)
sd 17:0:0:0: [sdb] Write Protect is off
sd 17:0:0:0: [sdb] Mode Sense: 00 38 00 00
sd 17:0:0:0: [sdb] Assuming drive cache: write through
sd 17:0:0:0: [sdb] Assuming drive cache: write through
 sdb: sdb1
sd 17:0:0:0: [sdb] Assuming drive cache: write through
sd 17:0:0:0: [sdb] Attached SCSI disk
EXT4-fs (sdb1): barriers enabled
kjournald2 starting: pid 23822, dev sdb1:8, commit interval 5 seconds
EXT4-fs (sdb1): internal journal on sdb1:8
EXT4-fs (sdb1): delayed allocation enabled
EXT4-fs: file extents enabled
EXT4-fs: mballoc enabled
EXT4-fs (sdb1): mounted filesystem with ordered data mode

/media/.hal-mtab:
/dev/sdb1   10000   ext4nosuid,nodev,uhelper=hal
/media/nostromo


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Re: Slow booting

[Kevin Buhr]

Kamil Kułaga  writes:
>
> After init of soundcard and before swap activation i have 90 seconds
> hole. Is it normal? Can I configure kernel to somewhat avoid this?

Unfortunately, I think adding a large swap partition (yours is 6GB)
can be a slow operation under Linux. Google for "slow swapon" and
you'll see several complaints.

One simple solution might be to try running "swapon" in the background
in your startup scripts. That's what I do on my (Ubuntu) laptop (which
is frequently rebooted and would pause for a significant amount of
time waiting on its 3GB swap file otherwise). Note that, on a Lenny
installation, "swapon" is run twice, in "/etc/init.d/checkroot.sh" and
in "/etc/init.d/mountall.sh", so make sure you make the change in the
right place.

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Re: blurry fonts (again)

[Florian Kulzer]

On Thu, Nov 05, 2009 at 16:40:06 -0500, Celejar wrote:
> On Thu, 5 Nov 2009 22:34:26 +0100 Florian Kulzer wrote:

[ I sent test files to Celejar off-list. ]

> > The files are attached; I am curious to find out whether the fonts
> > chosen by my system resulted in correct Hebrew typesetting.
> 
> I'm no font / typography expert, but they look pretty good; they
> certainly aren't mangled and overlapping as mine are.

OK, so let's recap:

You print the Hebrew Wikipedia homepage with "print to file" in
iceweasel. You get a PDF with misaligned Hebrew characters (kerning
seems to be off) and this font information:

name type  emb sub uni object ID
 - --- --- --- -
FrankRuehlCLMType 1yes no  yes  5  0
FrankRuehlCLMType 1yes no  yes  7  0
BitstreamVeraSerif   CID TrueType  yes no  yes 37  0

I do the same thing and I get a PDF with properly aligned Hebrew
characters and this font information:

name type  emb sub uni object ID
 - --- --- --- -
TimesNewRomanBoldCID TrueType  yes no  yes  5  0
TimesNewRomanCID TrueType  yes no  yes  7  0
DejaVuSans   CID TrueType  yes no  yes 38  0

I checked my "good" PDF with pdfedit and the Hebrew characters are
indeed typeset in TimesNewRoman and TimesNewRomanBold. DejaVuSans is
used only for the extra information in headers and footers (URL, page
number, date, time). Your "bad" PDF uses the FrankRuehlCLM font for the
Hebrew text and BitstreamVeraSerif for headers and footers.

I think there could be a problem with the FrankRuehlCLM font (package
"culmus") or pango has a bug with Type 1 fonts. You could try to
downgrade libpango1.0-0 and friends to their Lenny versions (provided
that this does not break anything else on your system, of course) or you
could remove the culmus package so that icewesel is forced to use e.g.
the DejaVuSerif font for Hebrew passages. (The DejaVu fonts are extended
versions of their BitstreamVera ancestors; they include Hebrew
charcters.)

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Re: what's your favourite FLOSS?

[green]

Andrew Sackville-West wrote at 2009-11-05 15:33 -0600:
> On Thu, Nov 05, 2009 at 03:56:48PM +0200, Tshepang Lekhonkhobe wrote:
> > any FLOSS developer deserving great honours (max 5 at most, unless
> > you insist): 
> 
> the uncelebrated random user that sends in the one-line
>  patch to fix their personally most annoying bug.

Indeed!  :)

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Re: what's your favourite FLOSS?

[Charlie]

On Thu, 5 Nov 2009 15:56:48 +0200 Tshepang Lekhonkhobe
 shared this with us all:

>Here's a template where you can fill in your favourites If something
>doesn't fit in any of the categories, put it under misc utilities.
>Please don't add what you haven't really used. You can include more
>than one entrant per category.
>

>audio player:
Totem
>desktop environment OR window manager:
FVWM
>disc burner:
K3B
>e-mail client:
Claws-mail
>file manager:
Midnight Commander
>image creator/editor:
The Gimp
>image viewer:
GQView
>mathematics:
LyX
>misc utilities:
>package manager:
Aptitude - Apt - Synaptics
>pdf/ps-reader:
Xpdf - Okular
>spreadsheet:
OpenOffice.org
>terminal emulator:
Xterm
>text editor:
Gedit
>video player:
Totem
>web browser:
Iceweasel
>word-processor:
LyX
>non-free:
>
>SPECIAL CATEGORIES
>anything unreleased and highly anticipated:
>anything dying/dead:
>anything deserving great honours (EG. Linux, GCC):
>any organisation/community deserving great honours (EG. GNU, Debian):
Debian - Gnu
>any FLOSS developer deserving great honours (max 5 at most, unless you
>insist):
>
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what's your favourite FLOSS?

[tv.deb...@googlemail.com]

Here we go.

audio editor: audacity, xcfa
audio player: amarok
cd-ripper: k3b, xcfa
DBMS: sqlite
desktop environment OR window manager: kde4 (despite, well, you know...)
development:
disc burner: k3b
e-mail client: icedove/thunderbird
file manager: dolphin
finance:
ftp client: filezilla
games: wesnoth
games (kid): smc, supertuxkart
image creator/editor: digikam, gimp, hugin
image viewer: digikam
instant messenger:
mathematics:
misc utilities: sudo, sed, htop, ssh, rsync
p2p: ktorrent
package manager: aptitude
pdf/ps-reader: okular
spreadsheet: OooCalc
terminal emulator: yakuake
text editor: kate, vim
video player: vlc, smplayer
web browser: iceweasel/firefox
word-processor: Ooowriter
non-free: skype, VirtualBox (Sun version)

video editor: avidemux, openmovieeditor, blender (not strictly for
video, but works great)
education: gcompris, childsplay, skolelinux
connection manager: wicd (or goes in "misc")
backup: backintime, clonezilla (based on Debian) (they can go in "misc" too)



SPECIAL CATEGORIES
anything unreleased and highly anticipated: lumiera http://lumiera.org/,
Thunderbird3

anything dying/dead:

anything deserving great honours (EG. Linux, GCC): Linux kernel, Debian

any organisation/community deserving great honours (EG. GNU, Debian):
FSF, Linux Foundation, Skolelinux, Canonical, all those who push forward
FOSS and Linux

any FLOSS developer deserving great honours (max 5 at most, unless you
insist): Christian Marillat, Theodore T'so, every single Debian
developer, Francis Muguet who died recently
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Francis_Muguet (not a developer, but he
sure did a lot for FOSS).

anything Linux related deserving booos: mono, [silver|moon]light, flash





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Re: Depends overkill, how do you weed out the packages

[Andrew Sackville-West]

On Thu, Nov 05, 2009 at 04:23:37PM -0500, vr wrote:
> I have a fresh install of Debian Lenny 503 amd64 via a netinst CDROM. I've
> only installed a couple of packages like openbox because I want to run as
> lean a desktop I can to try out virtualbox-3.0.
> 
> I figured openbox would be enough to handle the "GUI" needed for
> virtualbox-3.0 but after adding the official repository to my sources list
> I get a bunch of KDE and audio hits when trying to install VirtualBox.
> 
> This doesn't seem right so I am looking for pointers on how to trim down
> this list of what I perceive as excessive bloat.

without looking closely at the actual dependencies of what you are
installing, have you looked at the -R option to aptitude? There are
configuration items to coincide as well. Basically, it prevents the
automatic installation of "Recommends" packages.

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Re: What's best way to use Debian w/o my laptop? Flash + union?

[Jaime Di Cristina]

No, those etherwake packets are not IP packets, they're "raw" ethernet
packets and are hence not routable over the internet: you can only send
them from a machine on the same physical ethernet network.
  

I agree.  But there are other tools that send the magic packet as UDP.
That way you can send the packet to a local subnet broadcast address
and still have the machine wake up.



Interesting.  Do you have more info about that?
You can check out the Wikipedia article on WOL.  If you want a more 
technical reference check out the AMD whitepaper linked in the article.



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Re: blurry fonts (again)

[Celejar]

[Putting it back on list, since I assume that you only sent the files
privately to me due to their size.]

On Thu, 5 Nov 2009 22:34:26 +0100
Florian Kulzer  wrote:

> On Thu, Nov 05, 2009 at 16:14:14 -0500, Celejar wrote:
> > On Thu, 5 Nov 2009 21:31:11 +0100 Florian Kulzer 
> >  wrote:
> > 
> > > Is it OK if I send you the files off-list (about 500K total)?
> > 
> > Sure; please do.
> > 
> > Celejar
> 
> The files are attached; I am curious to find out whether the fonts
> chosen by my system resulted in correct Hebrew typesetting.

I'm no font / typography expert, but they look pretty good; they
certainly aren't mangled and overlapping as mine are.

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Re: what's your favourite FLOSS?

[Andrew Sackville-West]

On Thu, Nov 05, 2009 at 03:56:48PM +0200, Tshepang Lekhonkhobe wrote:
> Here's a template where you can fill in your favourites If something
> doesn't fit in any of the categories, put it under misc utilities.
> Please don't add what you haven't really used. You can include more
> than one entrant per category.
> 
> audio editor: 
audacity
> audio player: 
mpd/mpc
> cd-ripper: 
> DBMS: 
postgres
> desktop environment OR window manager: xmonad
> development: 
emacs w/ flymake or eclipse for java when I have to do that.
> disc burner: 
> e-mail client: 
mutt
> file manager: 
bash (heh)
> finance: 
gnucash
> ftp client: 
sftp
> games: 
Wesnoth
> image creator/editor: 
gimp
> image viewer: 
display (imagemajick)
> instant messenger: 
irssi w/ irssi-plugin-xmpp
> mathematics: 
octave
> misc utilities: 
too many to count
> p2p: 
> package manager: 
aptitude
> pdf/ps-reader: 
xpdf
> spreadsheet: 
oocalc
> terminal emulator: 
rxvt-unicode
> text editor: 
emacs
> video player: 
mplayer
> web browser: 
iceweasel
> word-processor: 

emacs for latex, oowriter for occasional stuff

> non-free: 
> 
> SPECIAL CATEGORIES
> anything unreleased and highly anticipated: 
> anything dying/dead: 
> anything deserving great honours (EG. Linux, GCC):
> any organisation/community deserving great honours (EG. GNU, Debian):
> any FLOSS developer deserving great honours (max 5 at most, unless
> you insist): 

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Re: Depends overkill, how do you weed out the packages

[Celejar]

On Thu, 05 Nov 2009 16:23:37 -0500
vr  wrote:

...

> This doesn't seem right so I am looking for pointers on how to trim down
> this list of what I perceive as excessive bloat. Included is the list of
> "stuff" Lenny wants me to install. I've marked some of the things I think I
> know what they are which are features I for sure don't want but at the same
> time I don't want a busted unusable system by forcibly not installing them.
> Any advice or wisdom from those who have gone before me to do battle
> against dependencies would be greatly appreciated!

'aptitude why some_package' can be useful.

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Re: apt-get does not resume downloading

[Celejar]

On Fri, 6 Nov 2009 02:01:42 +0700
Sthu Deus  wrote:

> Thank You for Your time and answer, Celejar:
> 
> > But under some poor network conditions that I, and probably others,
> > have experienced, the current system renders it virtually impossible to
> > download large packages (e.g., openoffice.org-common, wesnoth-data),
> > while resuming would give us at least a fighting chance.  Perhaps a
> > user-configurable setting would make the most sense?
> 
> +1

Wishlist priority bug filed:

http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=554640

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Depends overkill, how do you weed out the packages

[vr]

I have a fresh install of Debian Lenny 503 amd64 via a netinst CDROM. I've
only installed a couple of packages like openbox because I want to run as
lean a desktop I can to try out virtualbox-3.0.

I figured openbox would be enough to handle the "GUI" needed for
virtualbox-3.0 but after adding the official repository to my sources list
I get a bunch of KDE and audio hits when trying to install VirtualBox.

This doesn't seem right so I am looking for pointers on how to trim down
this list of what I perceive as excessive bloat. Included is the list of
"stuff" Lenny wants me to install. I've marked some of the things I think I
know what they are which are features I for sure don't want but at the same
time I don't want a busted unusable system by forcibly not installing them.
Any advice or wisdom from those who have gone before me to do battle
against dependencies would be greatly appreciated!




aptitude install virtualbox-3.0
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Building dependency tree
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Re: Samba --- Can't see files in konqueror or nautulus

[Florian Kulzer]

On Tue, Nov 03, 2009 at 20:20:23 +0100, Erik Grootjans wrote:
> Hi,
> 
> I have update my samba server with the latest version 3.2.5 on
> Debian - lenny and i have a problem.
> 
> I can see the shares (including the Samba shares)  from an XP workstation.
> I can't see any shares on my Linux Debian Box.

[...]

> mount -t smbfs -o password= //Enterprise/Fotos /var/mnt2
> cp -rv /var/mnt2/* /var/Fotos
> 
> this works !
> 
> But if i do a smbtree -b
> I get nothing
> 
> Can anybody tell me what is changed in samba so the Workgroup is not
> visuabel from a Linux system, but is still visual from a
> XP-computer!
> 
> PS I have done a clean install of Debian Lenny to my laptop.
> Including Samba. And the same problem overthere nothing in Nautulus.
> 
> When I use SMB4K I get nothing at first
> 
> If i search on a hostname
> The hostname is found, and i can browse it under the tab network
> So its possible to connect but why can i not see it under Samba

Does your Linux client use a firewall (iptables) to restrict access?
Maybe the responses to the broadcast queries are blocked.

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Re: blurry fonts (again)

[Celejar]

On Thu, 5 Nov 2009 21:31:11 +0100
Florian Kulzer  wrote:

> Is it OK if I send you the files off-list (about 500K total)?

Sure; please do.

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Re: what's your favourite FLOSS?

[John L Fjellstad]

Tshepang Lekhonkhobe  writes:

> audio player:
amarok

> cd-ripper:
abcde

> desktop environment OR window manager:
KDE4

> development:
emacs

> disc burner:
k3b

> e-mail client:
Kontact

> finance:
kmymoney

> image viewer:
gwenview

> instant messenger:
kopete

> misc utilities:
grep

> p2p:
ktorrent

> pdf/ps-reader:
okular

> terminal emulator:
yakuake

> text editor:
emacs

> video player:
kmplayer

> web browser:
konqueror/firefox

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Re: OT: strip hebrew vowels and accents from utf-8 text

[Celejar]

On Thu, 5 Nov 2009 14:50:56 +1030
David Purton  wrote:

> Can anyone suggest a simple way to strip vowels out of utf-8 encoded
> hebrew text, leaving just the consenants?
> 
> i.e., given something like בָָּ֟֟רָא, pipe it through something so that the
> output is ברא. The unicode characters  to  ideally
> should be stripped. This includes accents, etc.

#! /usr/bin/perl -w

use strict;
use Encode;

while (<>) {
$_ = Encode::decode('utf-8', $_);
s/[\x{0591}-\x{05C7}]//g;
print Encode::encode('utf-8', $_);
}

This works (tested on your example, and on a sample from here:
http://www.mechon-mamre.org/c/ct/c0101.htm).

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Re: blurry fonts (again)

[Florian Kulzer]

On Thu, Nov 05, 2009 at 14:38:17 -0500, Celejar wrote:
> On Wed, 4 Nov 2009 23:52:05 +0100 Florian Kulzer wrote:
> 
> ...
> 
> > (I hope the rapidshare links work; I currently have no personal webspace
> >  for sharing files.)
> 
> Thanks very much for your help, but unfortunately, Rapidshare is giving
> me a hard time:
> 
> > Error
> > You want to download the following file:
> > 
> > http://rapidshare.com/files/302522581/he-wiki-iceweasel.pdf | 455 KB
> > 
> > This file can only be downloaded by becoming a Premium member
> > 
> > There are no more download slots available for free users right now.
> > If you don't want to become a premium member, you might want to try
> > again later.

Is it OK if I send you the files off-list (about 500K total)?

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Re: How do I make udev give me /dev/lp0 ?

[Florian Kulzer]

On Thu, Nov 05, 2009 at 20:17:55 +0100, Mark Weyer wrote:
> > Does the device appear if you run as root 'modprobe parport'?
> 
> No, this does not change the contents of /dev at all.

Try "modprobe lp".

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Re: slow backup using lvm snapshots and tar

[Berni Elbourn]

Israel Garcia wrote:

Hi list:

I'm using this command to create s snapshot of every LV's server,
mount the LV, make a TGZ to a shared folder (NFS),  then umount LV
image and remove snapshot LV. The problem is tar backup is extremely
slow (it takes 3 hours to make backup of all servers).

This is the command I'm using:

for vps in `cat vps`; do lvcreate -L10G -s -n "$vps"snapshot
/dev/vg0/"$vps".domain-disk && mount /dev/vg0/"$vps"snapshot
/mnt/vmbackup && cd /mnt/vmbackup && nice -n 19 tar pczf
/shared/lvbackups/"$vps"_`date +%F` . && cd ; umount /mnt/vmbackup &&
lvremove -f /dev/vg0/"$vps"snapshot;done

My question is:
How can I make TAR backup faster? is it possible? Is there other
command faster than TGZ in this case?

thanks in advance.



Great fun this kind of thing...

Look at the nfs export - fiddle with the r/wsize parameters:

http://www.linuxselfhelp.com/HOWTO/NFS-HOWTO/performance.html

Enough space. Produce the tar file locally then copy to the remote 
serverif security permits with ftp.


Lots of space...Do the backups in parallel. bash wait is your friend:

http://www.museum.state.il.us/ismdepts/library/linuxguides/abs-guide/x5514.html

BTW: The p in pczf is an option for restore.

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Re: Serious clock problem

[Gilles Mocellin]

On Thu, Nov 05, 2009 at 10:40:16AM +, Michal wrote:
> Steve Reilly wrote:
> > FTALOVER wrote:
> >> Hi all,
> >>
> >> I'm running VMW ESXi 3i (3.5.0) on an 4 CPUs DELL Poweredge 1950.  This
> >> machine is  hosting 8 virtual machines, 5 running Etch and 3 running
> >> Lenny. All guests were running fine until I upgraded the kernel to
> >> linux-image-2.6.26-2-686_2.6.26-19 in the 3 boxes running Lenny.  Now
> >> those boxes are repeatedly freezing because the system clock seems to
> >> stall. Forcing the kernel to use acpi_pm as clocksource instead of TSC
> >> and disabling TSC doesn't seems to help. So, does anybody have any
> >> suggestion  on how to fix this?
> >>
> >> Thanks
> >>
> >> Eric L.
> >>
> >>
> 
> Did you not take a snapshot before the upgrade?? One of the biggest +'s
> about ESXi is befor you do anything, take a snapshot to roll back to...
> 
> >>
> > boot back to the old kernel and delete the new one?   restore a backup?
> >  just curiouswhy are you installing something other than a security
> > update on a server?

Unhapilly, this is very common with VMware...
There is some good configuration, but depends on kernel version,
hardware...
The Good doc :
http://www.vmware.com/pdf/vmware_timekeeping.pdf


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Re: blurry fonts (again)

[Celejar]

On Wed, 4 Nov 2009 23:52:05 +0100
Florian Kulzer  wrote:

...

> (I hope the rapidshare links work; I currently have no personal webspace
>  for sharing files.)

Thanks very much for your help, but unfortunately, Rapidshare is giving
me a hard time:

> Error
> You want to download the following file:
> 
> http://rapidshare.com/files/302522581/he-wiki-iceweasel.pdf | 455 KB
> 
> This file can only be downloaded by becoming a Premium member
> 
> There are no more download slots available for free users right now. If you 
> don't want to become a premium member, you might want to try again later.

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Re: How do I make udev give me /dev/lp0 ?

[Mark Weyer]

> Does the device appear if you run as root 'modprobe parport'?

No, this does not change the contents of /dev at all.

Thanks anyway,

  Caeles


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Re: slow backup using lvm snapshots and tar

[Tony Nelson]

On 09-11-05 01:18:48, Israel Garcia wrote:
> Hi list:
> 
> I'm using this command to create s snapshot of every LV's server,
> mount the LV, make a TGZ to a shared folder (NFS),  then umount LV
> image and remove snapshot LV. The problem is tar backup is extremely
> slow (it takes 3 hours to make backup of all servers).
> 
> This is the command I'm using:
> 
> for vps in `cat vps`; do lvcreate -L10G -s -n "$vps"snapshot
> /dev/vg0/"$vps".domain-disk && mount /dev/vg0/"$vps"snapshot
> /mnt/vmbackup && cd /mnt/vmbackup && nice -n 19 tar pczf
> /shared/lvbackups/"$vps"_`date +%F` . && cd ; umount /mnt/vmbackup &&
> lvremove -f /dev/vg0/"$vps"snapshot;done
> 
> My question is:
> How can I make TAR backup faster? is it possible? Is there other
> command faster than TGZ in this case?

Lower compression levels will be faster.  Either set the GZIP 
environment variable to a lower level (than 6) or pipe tar to gzip and 
use gzips "-5" or some such option.

Possibly xz will be faster at the same compressed size.

I don't think 3 hours is slow.

You might want to actually slow the process more by adding some error 
recovery data using something like dvdisaster.  Currently an entire 
backup can be made useless by a single-bit error.

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Re: What's best way to use Debian w/o my laptop? Flash + union?

[Celejar]

On Thu, 05 Nov 2009 11:23:26 -0500
Stefan Monnier  wrote:

...

> > wiki.debian.org/WakeOnLan was all I needed.  man ethtool is worth
> > reading too.
> 
> Good read, thanks.  Sadly, it doesn't seem to provide any trick I
> didn't know yet, except for the "byte-reversed MAC address" oddity.
> Incidentally, that page forgets to mention that /proc/acpi/wakeup can
> also influence whether or not WOL will work (and if you look at
> /proc/acpi/wakeup, you'll see that some wakeup sources may only work
> when the machine is in S3 or S4 state, i.e. not shutdown, but
> hibernated or suspended).

It's a wiki - consider editing it?

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Re: what's your favourite FLOSS?

[Teemu Likonen]

On 2009-11-05 15:56 (+0200), Tshepang Lekhonkhobe wrote:

> audio player:

Amarok

> cd-ripper:

abcde

> desktop environment OR window manager:

KDE

> development:

Emacs

> disc burner:

k3b

> e-mail client:

Emacs (Gnus)

> file manager:

Konqueror

> ftp client:

lftp

> mathematics:

Emacs (Calc)

> misc utilities:

Git (version control tool)

> package manager:

aptitude

> pdf/ps-reader:

Kpdf

> terminal emulator:

GNU Screen inside XTerm

> text editor:

Emacs

> video player:

MPlayer

> web browser:

Iceweasel

> word-processor:

OpenOffice.org Writer

> any organisation/community deserving great honours (EG. GNU, Debian):

Debian
The Linux kernel development community and companies


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Re: apt-get does not resume downloading

[Sthu Deus]

Thank You for Your time and answer, Celejar:

> But under some poor network conditions that I, and probably others,
> have experienced, the current system renders it virtually impossible to
> download large packages (e.g., openoffice.org-common, wesnoth-data),
> while resuming would give us at least a fighting chance.  Perhaps a
> user-configurable setting would make the most sense?

+1


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Re: apt-get does not resume downloading

[Sthu Deus]

Thank You for Your time and answer, Boyd:

> It does resume downloading, just not in the middle of a single file.  (It 
> will 
> only download files that are missing.)  Resuming in the middle of a file has 
> shown to be problematic and is not supported by all the mirrors anyway.  
> Resuming in the middle of a file results in a file with a bad checksum more 
> often than restarting the file entirely.

I have downloaded one package with wget to partial dir. - why it did not
install it but rather has started downloading again?

Can I check its integrity (of the downloaded by wget file) by issuing

apt-get install package

?


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