request a replacement for Thunderbird + Enigmail

[DdB]

Hello List,

i feel the time has come to find a more up-to-date replacement for my
email-solution, but ...

Up til now, i am using Thunderbird (52.9.1 (64-Bit) + Enigmail +
ToneQuilla + Virtual Identity and more ...) on stretch from inside a
Virtualbox-VM.

That allowed to correspond seamlessly with GPG users on more than 20
addresses (from 6 different providers), while i was acoustically
notified about the different levels of relevance of those mails, since
20+ years. (makes a huge database)

While keeping this stuff alive for an extended period of time, i have
been able to prevent the necessity to enter any passphrase manually, to
decrypt/encrypt automatically, and many more convenient solutions to
ease my life.

Of course, i knew, that this could come to an end, but i have not found
a valid replacement yet. The current Thunderbird fails big time at
solving the GPG part, even worse: They (Mozilla/NSA/???) want to have
control over private keys in their own keystore, built by people
obviously not skilled enough to create a(ny) secure piece of software.
That is why i refused to embark on the path of replacing the isolated,
but integrated solution Enigmail with something less trustworthy, less
flexible, and less stable.

But i feel, i will have to start building up an alternative, could not
yet make up my mind.

That is why i am asking for your communities experience and recommendations.

How are YOU dealing with encryption, with multiple providers, with
addresses created on-the-fly, with a huge email history, and so on?

Really interested to find a solution, that can last for many years to come.

regards, DdB

Re: installer can't detect my usb adapter

[Timothy M Butterworth]

On Mon, Jan 2, 2023 at 7:55 PM lou  wrote:

> On 1/3/23 08:41, Timothy M Butterworth wrote:
>
> >
> >
> > Which installation medium are you using? I have a RealTek WiFi adapter
> > and it requires the non-free installer for binary blobs to work.
> >
> >
> https://cdimage.debian.org/images/unofficial/non-free/images-including-firmware/11.6.0+nonfree/amd64/iso-dvd/
> >
> > Tim
> >
> Thank Tim, i use debian-11.6.0-amd64-netinst.iso, i don't use unofficial
> images
>
> non-free is an official image and it is merging with the free installer
for Bookworm.


> after recognition it shall prompt me for non-free firmware, but it can't
> recognize it
>
>

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Re: installer can't detect my usb adapter

[David Wright]

On Tue 03 Jan 2023 at 08:52:07 (+0800), lou wrote:
> On 1/3/23 08:41, Timothy M Butterworth wrote:
> > 
> > Which installation medium are you using? I have a RealTek WiFi
> > adapter and it requires the non-free installer for binary blobs to
> > work.
> > 
> > https://cdimage.debian.org/images/unofficial/non-free/images-including-firmware/11.6.0+nonfree/amd64/iso-dvd/
> > 
> Thank Tim, i use debian-11.6.0-amd64-netinst.iso, i don't use
> unofficial images
> 
> after recognition it shall prompt me for non-free firmware, but it
> can't recognize it

One approach you might be able to use is to copy the firmware that
buster is using and place it in the equivalent location in your
bullseye.

For example, my NIC uses (as seen by dmesg):

  r8169 :03:00.0: firmware: direct-loading firmware rtl_nic/rtl8168g-2.fw

and my old buster installation on this machine has that file at:

  $ ls -l /buster/lib/firmware/rtl_nic/rtl8168g-2.fw 
  -rw-r--r-- 1 root root 4896 Aug 22  2019 
/buster/lib/firmware/rtl_nic/rtl8168g-2.fw
  $ 

(/buster is where I mounted the old buster root filesystem,
readonly, when bullseye is running.)

My bullseye has:

  $ ls -l /lib/firmware/rtl_nic/rtl8168g-2.fw 
  -rw-r--r-- 1 root root 4896 Jul 25  2021 /lib/firmware/rtl_nic/rtl8168g-2.fw
  $ 

and cmp shows that the two versions are identical, despite the timestamps.

Just take care to create any subdirectories required (like the rtl_nic
here).

Cheers,
David.

Re: installer can't detect my usb adapter

[lou]

On 1/3/23 08:41, Timothy M Butterworth wrote:




Which installation medium are you using? I have a RealTek WiFi adapter 
and it requires the non-free installer for binary blobs to work.


https://cdimage.debian.org/images/unofficial/non-free/images-including-firmware/11.6.0+nonfree/amd64/iso-dvd/

Tim

Thank Tim, i use debian-11.6.0-amd64-netinst.iso, i don't use unofficial 
images


after recognition it shall prompt me for non-free firmware, but it can't 
recognize it

Re: installer can't detect my usb adapter

[Timothy M Butterworth]

On Mon, Jan 2, 2023 at 7:35 PM lou  wrote:

> i have realtek 8188eus usb adapter, it works in buster
>
> but after reboot, it can't be recognized, i have to unplug and plug usb
> adapter to help detection. this isn't big inconvenience for me because i
> rarely reboot
>
> my problem is bullseye installer can't detect it even after i unplug and
> plug it. i run "modprobe r8188eu" in installer's terminal, it doesn't
> help detection. lsusb command doesn't exist. if wifi isn't setup by
> installer, then i am unable to setup it after installation because of
> some debian bug
>
>
Which installation medium are you using? I have a RealTek WiFi adapter and
it requires the non-free installer for binary blobs to work.

https://cdimage.debian.org/images/unofficial/non-free/images-including-firmware/11.6.0+nonfree/amd64/iso-dvd/

Tim

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installer can't detect my usb adapter

[lou]

i have realtek 8188eus usb adapter, it works in buster

but after reboot, it can't be recognized, i have to unplug and plug usb 
adapter to help detection. this isn't big inconvenience for me because i 
rarely reboot


my problem is bullseye installer can't detect it even after i unplug and 
plug it. i run "modprobe r8188eu" in installer's terminal, it doesn't  
help detection. lsusb command doesn't exist. if wifi isn't setup by 
installer, then i am unable to setup it after installation because of 
some debian bug

Re: is there a tcp window size restriction?

[Dan Ritter]

Lee wrote: 
> I just noticed that I can't get a 1MB tcp window on debian 11
> 
> $ iperf --version
> iperf version 2.1.4 (18 August 2021) pthreads
> 
> $ iperf -s -w 1M --time 60 -i 10
> 
> Server listening on TCP port 5001
> TCP window size:  416 KByte (WARNING: requested 1.00 MByte)
> 
> 
> The exact same software (.. or at least the same source code) on a
> windows 10/cygwin machine says I get the full 1MB tcp window size:
> TCP window size: 1.00 MByte
> 
> So is there something on the Debian machine limiting the tcp window &
> if so, how do I change it.

https://netbeez.net/blog/how-to-adjust-the-tcp-window-size-limit-on-linux/

Details are not Debian-specific; sysctl config can be placed in
/etc/sysctl.conf or in the /etc/sysctl.d/ directory.

-dsr-

is there a tcp window size restriction?

[Lee]

I just noticed that I can't get a 1MB tcp window on debian 11

$ iperf --version
iperf version 2.1.4 (18 August 2021) pthreads

$ iperf -s -w 1M --time 60 -i 10

Server listening on TCP port 5001
TCP window size:  416 KByte (WARNING: requested 1.00 MByte)


The exact same software (.. or at least the same source code) on a
windows 10/cygwin machine says I get the full 1MB tcp window size:
TCP window size: 1.00 MByte

So is there something on the Debian machine limiting the tcp window &
if so, how do I change it.

Thanks
Lee

Re: Network bridge usage.

[debian-user]

> On Mon, Jan 02, 2023 at 11:30:02AM +, debian-u...@howorth.org.uk
> wrote:
> > > On Sun, Jan 01, 2023 at 11:31:38AM -0800, pe...@easthope.ca wrote:
> > > It's first quad is 9, binary 0110.  
> > 
> > Eh? 9 is 0101 in binary! 0110 is denary 10.  
> 
> 5  is 0101
> 6  is 0110
> 9  is 1001
> 10 is 1010

Oops. How embarrassing. Apologies for the noise.

Re: Xfce desktop problem

[David Wright]

On Mon 02 Jan 2023 at 05:20:58 (-0500), Cindy Sue Causey wrote:
> On 1/1/23, David Wright  wrote:
> > On Sun 01 Jan 2023 at 15:31:04 (-0600), William Torrez Corea wrote:
> >> How to can restore my last configuration?
> >
> > So I assume your "last configuration" is in ~/.config/xfce4-session/
> > and ~/.config/xfce4/ .
> >
> >> Try resetting to defaults
> >
> > I assume that by this you mean "move my configuration out the way
> > and left a new set of defaults be created by running xfce", ie move:
> >
> >> mv ~/.config/xfce4-session/ ~/.config/xfce4-session-bak
> >> mv ~/.config/xfce4/ ~/.config/xfce4-bak
> >
> > and then run xfce.
> >
> >> When i want to restore the old configuration, i remove the -bak that's
> >> been appended to the old directories; but i don't get any result.
> 
> 
> David might have hit on something here with that, "[A]nd then run
> xfce."

Well, yes, I assume that when you're playing with the configuration
files, xfce is /not/ running. I have assumed that running xfce in the
absence of any configuration files, and then immediately exiting,
will leave behind a fresh set of default configuration files, in the
manner of, say, mc.¹

> What about.. some form of logging completely out to a [console]
> or root user's GUI, moving those files/directories aside, and then try
> logging back in again? I've experienced similar circular pains and
> have fixed them using both methods of accessing those stubborn
> "Whack-A-Mole" types of files.
> 
> The glitch that *might* be occurring is that maybe XFCE4 is instantly
> throwing up new but same config files as soon as the old are deleted,

Not being an xfce user, I have no idea how it behaves if you fiddle
with its configuration files while it is running.

> else crash and burn if it is in current use. It would end up being an
> endless battle because those instantly returning config files will
> reflect whatever personal choices are still showing on the screen...
> 
> Unless one logs an affected user out completely first...
> 
> Or not. :)

All this is way beyond me: I have no experience of running DEs.

¹ When a new version of mc is released, I do just that, and then
  reconcile mc's new defaults with my own configuration files.

Cheers,
David.

Re: Network bridge usage.

[Jeffrey Walton]

On Mon, Jan 2, 2023 at 8:47 AM Greg Wooledge  wrote:
>
> On Mon, Jan 02, 2023 at 11:30:02AM +, debian-u...@howorth.org.uk wrote:
> > > On Sun, Jan 01, 2023 at 11:31:38AM -0800, pe...@easthope.ca wrote:
> > > It's first quad is 9, binary 0110.
> >
> > Eh? 9 is 0101 in binary! 0110 is denary 10.
>
> 5  is 0101
> 6  is 0110
> 9  is 1001
> 10 is 1010

Yes, this.

(I thought I lost what was left of my mind...)

Re: Network bridge usage.

[gene heskett]

On 1/2/23 09:12, to...@tuxteam.de wrote:

On Mon, Jan 02, 2023 at 08:46:37AM -0500, Greg Wooledge wrote:

On Mon, Jan 02, 2023 at 11:30:02AM +, debian-u...@howorth.org.uk wrote:

On Sun, Jan 01, 2023 at 11:31:38AM -0800, pe...@easthope.ca wrote:
It's first quad is 9, binary 0110.


Eh? 9 is 0101 in binary! 0110 is denary 10.


5  is 0101
6  is 0110
9  is 1001
10 is 1010


Embarrasing. That means I was off-by-three (my personal
record, I think), and that the VM manager is cheating.

Thanks&cheers


Stuff happens Tomas. OTOH if I got that answer, I would be analyzing the 
logic to see where a stuck bit could take place with a scope probe in 
one hand, and the hot soldering iron in the other. By the time I quit 
school in the 40's and went to work fixing radio's, then tv's when they 
came out, I already had those grafted to my hands.  The rest as they 
say, is history. Now I'm a 21 year retired old coot trying to keep up 
with computing.


Happy new year all.

Take care, stay warm and well all.

Cheers, Gene Heskett.
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Re: Network bridge usage.

[tomas]

On Mon, Jan 02, 2023 at 08:46:37AM -0500, Greg Wooledge wrote:
> On Mon, Jan 02, 2023 at 11:30:02AM +, debian-u...@howorth.org.uk wrote:
> > > On Sun, Jan 01, 2023 at 11:31:38AM -0800, pe...@easthope.ca wrote:
> > > It's first quad is 9, binary 0110.
> > 
> > Eh? 9 is 0101 in binary! 0110 is denary 10.
> 
> 5  is 0101
> 6  is 0110
> 9  is 1001
> 10 is 1010

Embarrasing. That means I was off-by-three (my personal
record, I think), and that the VM manager is cheating.

Thanks&cheers
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Re: Network bridge usage.

[Greg Wooledge]

On Mon, Jan 02, 2023 at 11:30:02AM +, debian-u...@howorth.org.uk wrote:
> > On Sun, Jan 01, 2023 at 11:31:38AM -0800, pe...@easthope.ca wrote:
> > It's first quad is 9, binary 0110.
> 
> Eh? 9 is 0101 in binary! 0110 is denary 10.

5  is 0101
6  is 0110
9  is 1001
10 is 1010

Re: Network bridge usage.

[tomas]

On Mon, Jan 02, 2023 at 11:30:02AM +, debian-u...@howorth.org.uk wrote:
> > On Sun, Jan 01, 2023 at 11:31:38AM -0800, pe...@easthope.ca wrote:
> > > Greetings for the New Year to Debian users,
> > > 
> > > Verifying and updating instructions here.
> > > https://en.wikibooks.org/wiki/Oberon/ETH_Oberon/QEMUinstall#Network_Connection_on_a_Virtual_Machine
> > > Questions (1) and (2) follow.
> > > 
> > > root@joule:/home/root# ip link show br0
> > > 4: br0:  mtu 1500 qdisc noqueue
> > > state DOWN mo de DEFAULT group default qlen 1000
> > > link/ether 92:e0:54:07:2a:e2 brd ff:ff:ff:ff:ff:ff
> > > 
> > > br0 is a virtual interface; not connected to hardware.
> > > (1) How is address 92:e0:54:07:2a:e2 derived?  
> > 
> > It's first quad is 9, binary 0110.
> 
> Eh? 9 is 0101 in binary! 0110 is denary 10.

Eh... yes. Off-by-one error, it seems (this tomas guy seems
to be a programmer). Second bit still set, though (phew :)

> The last bit in a binary
> number determines whether a number is odd or even.
> 
> So I think this means universally administered?

See above.

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Re: Network bridge usage.

[debian-user]

> > On Sun, Jan 01, 2023 at 11:31:38AM -0800, pe...@easthope.ca wrote:  
> > > Greetings for the New Year to Debian users,
> > > 
> > > Verifying and updating instructions here.
> > > https://en.wikibooks.org/wiki/Oberon/ETH_Oberon/QEMUinstall#Network_Connection_on_a_Virtual_Machine
> > > Questions (1) and (2) follow.
> > > 
> > > root@joule:/home/root# ip link show br0
> > > 4: br0:  mtu 1500 qdisc noqueue
> > > state DOWN mo de DEFAULT group default qlen 1000
> > > link/ether 92:e0:54:07:2a:e2 brd ff:ff:ff:ff:ff:ff
> > > 
> > > br0 is a virtual interface; not connected to hardware.
> > > (1) How is address 92:e0:54:07:2a:e2 derived?
> > 
> > It's first quad is 9, binary 0110.  
> 
> Eh? 9 is 0101 in binary! 0110 is denary 10. The last bit in a binary
> number determines whether a number is odd or even.
> 
> So I think this means universally administered?

Oops. The U/L bit is actually 1 I think, the last one in 01010010.
So yes, locally administered.

> > The second bit is set: this
> > tells you that it is a locally administered address [1]
> > 
> > Typically it's the VM hypervisor who's in charge of generating
> > one (ideally in a way that it doesn't collide with others). For
> > example, qemu-xxx have a command line parameter `mac' for that.
> > 
> > Cheers
> > 
> > [1]
> > https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/MAC_address#Universal_vs._local_(U/L_bit)
> >   
> 

Re: Network bridge usage.

[debian-user]

> On Sun, Jan 01, 2023 at 11:31:38AM -0800, pe...@easthope.ca wrote:
> > Greetings for the New Year to Debian users,
> > 
> > Verifying and updating instructions here.
> > https://en.wikibooks.org/wiki/Oberon/ETH_Oberon/QEMUinstall#Network_Connection_on_a_Virtual_Machine
> > Questions (1) and (2) follow.
> > 
> > root@joule:/home/root# ip link show br0
> > 4: br0:  mtu 1500 qdisc noqueue
> > state DOWN mo de DEFAULT group default qlen 1000
> > link/ether 92:e0:54:07:2a:e2 brd ff:ff:ff:ff:ff:ff
> > 
> > br0 is a virtual interface; not connected to hardware.
> > (1) How is address 92:e0:54:07:2a:e2 derived?  
> 
> It's first quad is 9, binary 0110.

Eh? 9 is 0101 in binary! 0110 is denary 10. The last bit in a binary
number determines whether a number is odd or even.

So I think this means universally administered?

> The second bit is set: this
> tells you that it is a locally administered address [1]
> 
> Typically it's the VM hypervisor who's in charge of generating
> one (ideally in a way that it doesn't collide with others). For
> example, qemu-xxx have a command line parameter `mac' for that.
> 
> Cheers
> 
> [1]
> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/MAC_address#Universal_vs._local_(U/L_bit)
> 

Re: Xfce desktop problem

[Cindy Sue Causey]

On 1/1/23, David Wright  wrote:
> On Sun 01 Jan 2023 at 15:31:04 (-0600), William Torrez Corea wrote:
>> How to can restore my last configuration?
>
> So I assume your "last configuration" is in ~/.config/xfce4-session/
> and ~/.config/xfce4/ .
>
>> Try resetting to defaults
>
> I assume that by this you mean "move my configuration out the way
> and left a new set of defaults be created by running xfce", ie move:
>
>> mv ~/.config/xfce4-session/ ~/.config/xfce4-session-bak
>> mv ~/.config/xfce4/ ~/.config/xfce4-bak
>
> and then run xfce.
>
>> When i want to restore the old configuration, i remove the -bak that's
>> been appended to the old directories; but i don't get any result.


David might have hit on something here with that, "[A]nd then run
xfce." What about.. some form of logging completely out to a [console]
or root user's GUI, moving those files/directories aside, and then try
logging back in again? I've experienced similar circular pains and
have fixed them using both methods of accessing those stubborn
"Whack-A-Mole" types of files.

The glitch that *might* be occurring is that maybe XFCE4 is instantly
throwing up new but same config files as soon as the old are deleted,
else crash and burn if it is in current use. It would end up being an
endless battle because those instantly returning config files will
reflect whatever personal choices are still showing on the screen...

Unless one logs an affected user out completely first...

Or not. :)

Cindy :)
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