Re: NOT ALL of the packages are in CD
On Wed, Sep 08, 2004 at 12:30:23PM -0700, belahcene abdelkader wrote: > I checked all the 13 CD of the sarge version, I didn't > find the lyx package, but I lyx exists in the sarge > (testing) in editor section. does that mean that NOT > ALL of the packages of the sarge, are in the 13 CD's. Are you sure? It seems to be on i386 CD 3. -- Colin Watson [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: dpkg / apt equivalent to 'rpm -qf'?
On Thu, Aug 26, 2004 at 06:17:49AM +1000, Paul Gear wrote: > John Hasler wrote: > > That is precisely what we are talking about. > > What you said was "We are talking about files the contents of which are > created by maintainer scripts." My point was that it doesn't matter > what creates it (the package or the maintainer script), it's > counter-intuitive that you can't track back from a file to its related > application. If the package creates it (i.e., it's shipped in the .deb), then 'dpkg -S' will tell you about it; so you and John are in fact talking about exactly the same thing. John is just drilling down and trying to work out ways of implementing it. -- Colin Watson [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: dpkg / apt equivalent to 'rpm -qf'?
On Wed, Aug 25, 2004 at 08:33:47AM -0500, John Hasler wrote: > Frank Küster writes: > > But this would have the consequence that all those files would have to be > > created by dpkg, and clutter /etc. > > No files would be created that were not subsequently filled in by a > maintainer script. I don't know where you get the idea that that any > files, empty or otherwise, would be created that are not created now. > > > I had understood from John's question that he wanted dpkg just to ignore > > empty files, except that it registers them for the package. > > You misunderstood. > > > ...change dpkg... > > I proposed no changes whatsoever to dpkg. What were you planning to do on upgrade? Normally, dpkg would set the files back to empty. -- Colin Watson [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Creative Commons Metamorphosis
On Thu, Aug 19, 2004 at 12:51:56PM +0800, David Palmer wrote: > There's a new style of licence happening at Creative Commons. > It is typified by the policy of attempting to meld closed and open > source, particularly in relation to software. > Is this where this project was heading all along? > This same proposition is one that has been previously touted by such > entities as Microsoft. What does this have to do with debian-devel? debian-devel mailing list Development of Debian Discussion about technical development topics. Take it to debian-legal or something. Cheers, -- Colin Watson [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: OT - trivial programming language
Civilized societies should outlaw absurdly-drawn-out coding style arguments on public mailing lists, especially when I have to attempt to read them over a tediously slow ssh connection from a conference in a different hemisphere. -- Colin Watson [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Partitioning in Sage
On Thu, May 27, 2004 at 01:17:54PM -0700, Paul Maser wrote: > I'm trying to do a net-install of Sarge on an old ALR 8300 3 disc > Megaraid and when I get to partitioning it only gives me a choice > of raid, LVM or swap. It never offers ext2 or ext3. > Do I choose one of the three offered or is this a bug? Please report this to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Unfortunately, at the moment, comments about the installer on -user, bug reports or otherwise, stand a good chance of getting lost in the noise from the point of view of people experienced enough to answer. -- Colin Watson [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: aptitude trap: 'hold' directives not honored.
On Sun, May 23, 2004 at 11:48:39PM -0700, Marc Wilson wrote: > On Fri, May 21, 2004 at 01:03:22PM -0700, Karsten M. Self wrote: > > There are apparently three package selection databases. These should be > > either unified or cross-validated: > > > > - dpkg > > - apt > > - aptitude > > > > Anyone else running into this? > > Karsten, don't bother. Every time someone brings up the fact that > aptitude, everyone's darling perfect child, does its own damn thing and > re-implements the status file... they get told to go away. > > What's even *better* is that command-line aptitude (insert random quote > about how aptitude is a drop-in replacement for apt-get, which it isn't) > and ncurses aptitude, *don't have the same behavior!* Ncurses aptitude > *does* honor the status file. > > Sometimes. > > I'm sorry, but dpkg is the *fundamental* tool. If you don't honor its > interfaces, you are *broken*. 'Nuff said. Desired state of packages should never have been in /var/lib/dpkg/status in the first place. (And yes, I've had this discussion with the original author, who agreed ...) -- Colin Watson [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Question re Debian versions
On Thu, May 20, 2004 at 04:06:30PM -0700, Paul Johnson wrote: > Michael D Schleif <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > > * Paul Johnson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> [2004:03:18:20:05:40-0800] scribed: > >> Your best bet if you don't want to reinstall is watch closely after > >> sarge goes stable for a new unstable fork off to testing, and move > >> when they fork. > > > > How, exactly, does one go about ``watch closely ... for a new unstable > > fork off to testing'' ??? I've seen reference to this, but I do not > > know how one can know when that situation obtains. > > After sarge goes stable, a couple months after that a new testing > branch will fork off of unstable. Not a couple of months; immediately. Actually, it won't fork off unstable either; it'll start as a copy of stable and progress smoothly on from there taking packages from unstable as they're ready, the same way it did last time. > >> Sometime before Dec 31, 2003 if people get moving on it was the last I > >> heard. > > > > 2003? > > The last time people were trying to put a date on the release said > Dec 31, 2003. Only correct if you don't read between the lines on -devel-announce. http://lists.debian.org/debian-devel-announce/2004/03/msg00026.html It's true that I (quite deliberately) didn't put an explicit date on that to avoid getting quoted too widely on Slashdot or whatever and being held to the date, and that the social contract stuff has at best pushed it back by a month or two; but anyone reading the message should be able to work out what it meant. Cheers, -- Colin Watson, Debian Release Assistant [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: OT: sox help needed
On Thu, May 20, 2004 at 04:25:34PM +0200, Matthias Czapla wrote:
> On Thu, May 20, 2004 at 10:02:00AM -0400, Jeff Elkins wrote:
> > I'm trying to automate this:
> >
> > #!/bin/sh
> >
> > for i in *; do
> > if test -f $i; then
> >
> > fi
> > done
> >
> > which works, but gives me: filename.mp3.wav - anyway to end up with
> > filename.wav?
>
> Yes:
>
> mpg123 -s $i | sox -t raw -r 44100 -s -w -c 1 - \
> -t wav -r 8000 -w -c 1 "`echo $i | sed -e 's/mp3$/wav/'`"
Quoted correctly:
"`echo "$i" | sed -e 's/mp3$/wav/'`"
A much simpler version of that if you know that $i ends with .mp3 is:
"${i%.mp3}.wav"
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Re: problems with debootstrap and stable or sarge
On Wed, May 19, 2004 at 08:56:37PM -0400, David T-G wrote: > ...and then Colin Watson said... > % On Wed, May 19, 2004 at 05:24:24PM -0400, David T-G wrote: > % > Aha! I don't have any such pool/ directory. I'll go and download that > % > now. > % > % Right, you need the .debs to be in the same layout as on Debian mirrors. > > What's the minimum set that I need for, say, sarge? I don't want to have > to download 8G of mirror just to use 1/3 of it. You can probably use debootstrap --download-only from a real mirror to find out. Cheers, -- Colin Watson [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: deb package for Mplayer?
On Thu, May 20, 2004 at 06:08:56AM +0800, Katipo wrote: > Ishwar Rattan wrote: > >Where can I find the .deb package for mplayer? > > In unstable. mplayer isn't in unstable (yet, at least). Cheers, -- Colin Watson [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: woody/sarge vs. stable/testing in sources.list
On Wed, May 19, 2004 at 01:59:28PM -0700, Ping Wing wrote: > > Upgrades require interaction from time to time, such > > as conffile merges. > > Even with packages that use debconf, the defaults > > you get with the > > noninteractive frontend aren't always what you want. > > well but lets assume i have little router ticking > somewhere. only sshd listening. > > If I configure everything right then I should only > need to upgrade sshd->libssl->libc6 . I think it could > be done without interaction? The ssh package contains five conffiles. If you change any of those and they also change in the package, then you'll have to resolve the conflicts. -- Colin Watson [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: packages in GNU but not in Debian
On Wed, May 19, 2004 at 10:20:56AM +0800, Dan Jacobson wrote:
> Here is a simpleminded listing of packages in the GNU directory but not in Debian
> yet.
> $ lynx -dump http://www.gnu.org/directory/GNU/|
> perl -wnle 'if(m@/GNU/.*.html@)[EMAIL PROTECTED] q{[./]}; print lc $F[$#F-1]}'|sort
> -o /tmp/gnu
> $ COLUMNS=222 dpkg-query -l \*|awk '/===/,EOF{print $2}'|sort -o /tmp/debian
> $ comm -23 /tmp/gnu /tmp/debian|xargs|fold -s|sed 's/ $//'
Why don't you look for source package names?
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Re: problems with debootstrap and stable or sarge
On Wed, May 19, 2004 at 05:24:24PM -0400, David T-G wrote: > Colin, et al -- > % Filename: field for adduser in > % /mnt/empty/dists/sarge/main/binary-i386/Packages.gz is a valid relative > % path from /mnt/empty to the adduser .deb? In other words, > % /mnt/empty/pool/main/a/adduser/adduser_3.53_all.deb should exist. > > Aha! I don't have any such pool/ directory. I'll go and download that > now. Right, you need the .debs to be in the same layout as on Debian mirrors. > % Also, make sure you have wget installed. > > Will I need wget on a file:/// install? Sorry, brainfart there; no, you don't. Cheers, -- Colin Watson [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: woody/sarge vs. stable/testing in sources.list
On Wed, May 19, 2004 at 10:19:29AM -0500, Michael Kahle wrote: > Wednesday, May 19, 2004 5:14 AM Colin Watson wrote: > > I *strongly* recommend against upgrading by cron job. Just don't do > > it; there are lots of ways it can break. > > I have heard this mentioned before. Could you elaborate? Why is this a > problem? Please excuse my inexperience here. Upgrades require interaction from time to time, such as conffile merges. Even with packages that use debconf, the defaults you get with the noninteractive frontend aren't always what you want. Cheers, -- Colin Watson [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Question re Debian versions
On Wed, May 19, 2004 at 09:32:59AM -0400, Kenneth Jacker wrote: > myh> On 2004-03-19, Monique Y. Herman wrote: > myh> Also, look at security updates. Updates are provided for > myh> stable and unstable almost immediately. Then those using > myh> testing distributions must wait the allotted amount of time > myh> before receiving the unstable update in testing. > > How long of a wait? > > If I understand this correctly, users of 'testing' (currently 'sarge') > can do *nothing* when new security problems arise? They must wait for > the fix in 'unstable' to make it into testing. > > Sounds like 'testing' contains a "window" during which "bad people" > could do "bad things" ... Yup. Unfortunately, we can't do anything about this until a team turns up to do security updates for testing, which is a hard and time-consuming job. http://www.debian.org/security/faq#testing -- Colin Watson [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: problems with debootstrap and stable or sarge
On Wed, May 19, 2004 at 09:55:59AM -0400, David T-G wrote: > ...and then Colin Watson said... > % > % On Tue, May 18, 2004 at 04:43:43PM -0400, David T-G wrote: > % > > % > debootstrap --arch i386 --verbose stable /mnt/suse81 file:///mnt/empty/ > % > > % > (and also 'woody' in place of 'stable') but it puked on adduser. > % > % Can you show exactly what happened, rather than just saying "it puked"? > > Sure; sorry. I forgot that I had written this whole thing once before > but *not* sent it. It's only fair to give you all of the info now :-) > > hp:~ # debootstrap --arch i386 --verbose sarge /mnt/suse81 file:///mnt/empty/ > I: Validating debootstrap.invalid_dists_sarge_Release > I: Validating debootstrap.invalid_dists_sarge_main_binary-i386_Packages > I: Checking adduser... > I: Checking apt... > I: Checking apt-utils... > I: Checking aptitude... > I: Checking at... > I: Checking base-config... > I: Checking base-files... > I: Checking base-passwd... > ... > I: Checking whiptail... > I: Checking zlib1g... > I: Retrieving adduser > E: Couldn't download adduser Hm, so, do you have the files in the right place? Can you check that the Filename: field for adduser in /mnt/empty/dists/sarge/main/binary-i386/Packages.gz is a valid relative path from /mnt/empty to the adduser .deb? In other words, /mnt/empty/pool/main/a/adduser/adduser_3.53_all.deb should exist. Also, make sure you have wget installed. Cheers, -- Colin Watson [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Sarge testing 2.6 boot problems
On Tue, May 18, 2004 at 07:52:02PM -0400, John Kerr Anderson wrote: > I've tried installing a custom modularised kernel version 2.6.5 on Debian > Sarge testing. I'm using ext3 filesystem and compiled it directly into > the kernel along with ReiserFS sypport (I read you need it in order to > avoid an initrd image). > > Everytime it tries to boot the new kernel I get the following error: > > VFS: Cannot open root device "301" on unknown-block(3,1) > Please append a correct "root" boot option > Kernel panic: VFS unable to mount root fs on unknown-block(3,1) This sounds like you forgot to compile in IDE support, or whatever's needed for your disk. -- Colin Watson [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: problems with debootstrap and stable or sarge
On Tue, May 18, 2004 at 04:43:43PM -0400, David T-G wrote: > For my first try, I pulled down 'stable' to the tune of about 1.5G and > tried > > debootstrap --arch i386 --verbose stable /mnt/suse81 file:///mnt/empty/ > > (and also 'woody' in place of 'stable') but it puked on adduser. Can you show exactly what happened, rather than just saying "it puked"? Cheers, -- Colin Watson [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: woody/sarge vs. stable/testing in sources.list
On Wed, May 19, 2004 at 03:13:23AM +0200, Matthias Czapla wrote: > On Tue, May 18, 2004 at 06:22:04PM -0400, Greg Folkert wrote: > > On Tue, 2004-05-18 at 15:54, Matthias Czapla wrote: > > > Can I safely use "woody" or "sarge" instead of stable and testing for > > > the distribution specifier in /etc/apt/sources.list or can this cause > > > trouble? Im afraid of an unwanted upgrade to a new distribution when > > > testing suddenly becomes stable. > > > > Sarge *SUDDENLY* becoming Stable. Don't make me laugh. > > > > We aren't even into freeze yet. > > > > When that happens, then you should maybe worry about that. > > Ok, please forget _why_ I ask. The question remains - are the release > codenames equivalent to "stable"/"testing" in sources.list? I dont > know but I could imagine that the distribution specifier is just being > used to build up a pathname on the http/ftp server. So the question > would be if there is a policy that debian mirrors are required to > provide links/directories named after the release or if they only > need to have stable, testing and unstable? You can safely use the codenames. > And Greg, please think of machines running for a long time and upgrading > automatically through a cronjob or something. I *strongly* recommend against upgrading by cron job. Just don't do it; there are lots of ways it can break. -- Colin Watson [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: woody/sarge vs. stable/testing in sources.list
On Tue, May 18, 2004 at 01:38:33PM -0700, Ping Wing wrote: > Matthias Czapla wrote: > > Can I safely use "woody" or "sarge" instead of stable and testing > > for the distribution specifier in /etc/apt/sources.list or can this > > cause trouble? Im afraid of an unwanted upgrade to a new > > distribution when testing suddenly becomes stable. > > yes you can and imho it makse very much sense. as using 'stable' makes > no sense at all imho. > > frankly, the fact that debian puts 'stable' in source.list > automatically is littlebit scaring. For example when sarge is new > stable one day, and im doing another (semi-)automatic apt-get upgrade, > theres good chance that this messes some things up. It's quite deliberate. Some day, woody won't be security-supported any more. > for example, lately i had woody running , nice and clean. > Now I put 'sarge' everywhere in source.list and did 'apt-get update && > apt-get -u dist-upgrade'. > > Now, packages did'nt get upgraded, but most of the packages were > removed. And I had only woody's official packages installed, no > selfmade. Did you file a bug, or report this anywhere? > there are more things in debian that are weird, like most /etc/init.d/ > scripts that doesnt give you any feedback (at least not to stdout) Every Debian init.d script that starts a daemon says something like "Starting web server: apache." -- Colin Watson [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: hid module missing in 2.6.6
On Tue, May 18, 2004 at 06:08:14PM +0300, David Baron wrote: > System seems to run OK without it. > > Forget it, or is it really needed somewhere? It seems to have been renamed to usbhid. -- Colin Watson [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Getting wide ``dpkg -l'' output in scripts and pipes.
On Tue, May 18, 2004 at 01:18:50PM +0100, Thomas Adam wrote: > --- Adam Funk <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > Excellent. I had tried these: > > > > (COLUMNS=200 ; dpkg -l) |head > > (COLUMNS=200 && dpkg -l) |head > > > > but got the narrow output. Why do these two fail? > > Because COLUMNS=200 is being set in a subshell. Thus, the resultant output > when it is piped through to head is lost, since bash does not work in this > way. No; it doesn't matter whether head can see COLUMNS or not, and the output is not "lost". You can tell this because both of these work fine: (export COLUMNS=200; dpkg -l) | head (COLUMNS=200 dpkg -l) | head ... as well as the more natural: COLUMNS=200 dpkg -l | head Cheers, -- Colin Watson [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Getting wide ``dpkg -l'' output in scripts and pipes.
On Tue, May 18, 2004 at 11:40:53AM +, Adam Funk wrote: > On Tuesday 18 May 2004 10:20, Thomas Adam wrote: > > --- Adam Funk <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > >> (Sorry about the long lines but they illustrate the output I'm > >> talking about.) > >> > >> ``dpkg -l'' on its own in a terminal produces wide output, e.g.: > > > > COLUMNS=200 dpkg -l | pipe | pipe | pipe | more | more | yay > > > > Change the value of 200, if it is too small. > > Excellent. I had tried these: > > (COLUMNS=200 ; dpkg -l) |head > (COLUMNS=200 && dpkg -l) |head > > but got the narrow output. Why do these two fail? Those both set the COLUMNS shell variable but fail to export it to the dpkg subprocess (you need an explicit 'export' to do that). 'COLUMNS=200 dpkg -l' is a special syntax that adds the variable to the environment of the dpkg subprocess without affecting the shell in which it is executed. -- Colin Watson [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Debian, rpm and corporate world (was: Can rpm packages from other linux distribution be used on Debian?)
On Mon, May 17, 2004 at 04:10:39PM -0600, Bob Proulx wrote: > Dominique Dumont wrote: > > So the questions are now: > > > > - does the Debian community want Debian to be used in corporate world > > to run *proprietary* softwares ? > > Personally, yes. I think many people have that ideal. It is written > into the Social Contract. But the recent Debian Social Contract vote > casts that as a majority opinion into doubt. So now I don't know. A > contingent of vocal DDs would certainly say no. I don't think the recent Social Contract vote affected that, really. The discussion has been almost entirely about what Debian should ship, not what our users should be able to do. -- Colin Watson [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Easy to use Mail Spam/ Content Filter?
On Sun, May 16, 2004 at 06:58:17PM -0700, Karsten M. Self wrote: > on Sun, May 16, 2004 at 12:29:39PM +0200, Stefan Drees ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote: > > i?m searching for an easy to configure mail spam/ content filter, > > configurable over an web frontend. [...] > Easy? Delete key. > > Powerful? procmail. Or the Perl-based tool whose name I can never > remember. Mail. maildrop, I'm guessing. -- Colin Watson [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: OT: sed -n vs. sed
On Sat, May 15, 2004 at 03:50:33PM -0700, William Ballard wrote: > Is that the basic approach? And isn't perl better for program-y things > anyway? Nowadays, probably yes, in most circumstances. However: sed predates perl; and there are some environments (such as in the Debian installer) where perl is far too big so other tools have to be used instead. -- Colin Watson [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Keyboard and locale problems
On Sat, May 15, 2004 at 04:41:22PM +0100, David W.E. Roberts wrote: > From browsing man pages I think it should be 'en_uk' or 'en_UK'; 'UK' is the Ukraine in locales; you want 'en_GB'. > My i18n configuration file contains: > > :/etc/sysconfig# cat i18n /etc/sysconfig doesn't sound very Debianish ... Cheers, -- Colin Watson [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: run a script at startup
On Fri, May 14, 2004 at 06:47:26PM -0500, Michael Martinell wrote: > I have a script that I would like to run every time the computer is > restarted. Is there a particular file that I would call it from? It > must start after all of the other start-up processes have finished > since it relies upon some of them. http://www.debian.org/doc/FAQ/ch-customizing.en.html#s-custombootscripts Cheers, -- Colin Watson [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: mounting windows shares
On Fri, May 14, 2004 at 02:25:59PM -0600, Jacob Bresciani wrote: > under windows 2000 (and NT4 I think) there was a program called subset > (or something similar) that could mount directories as drive letters, I think you mean 'subst' - it comes from DOS. > I have not seen anything similar under linux but then again I haven't > really looked. Drive letters are a really bad idea; Unix doesn't have them. You can use 'mount --bind' with Linux 2.4 and above to pretend that bits of the filesystem are the same as other bits, if you like. -- Colin Watson [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Script execution at boot time..
On Fri, May 14, 2004 at 04:26:48PM -0400, Ishwar Rattan wrote: > I have written a shell script /etc/init.d/rclocal > with two lines.. > > /etc/init.d/ssh start > /home/mine/iptablerules > > and created a link in /etc/rc3.d > > S99rclocal link to ../init.d/rclocal > > and reboot won't execute the script. If I do the same by hand it > works. I aso tried placing the link in /etc/rc2.d bu had no luck. Perhaps you forgot to make the script executable? Much simpler just to add a link in rc2.d for ssh, though; you could even use 'dpkg-reconfigure ssh'. -- Colin Watson [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: bold and normal fonts appear reversed in openoffice
On Sat, May 15, 2004 at 06:31:18AM -0400, richard lyons wrote: > BTW, why "grep '^ii.*'". WHat does the ".*" usefully add? Nothing. > and the single quotes? I expected, and got, the same response with > either or both omitted. '*' is a metacharacter to the shell: if you'd happened to have any files in the current directory whose names started with '^ii.' for whatever reason, or if you had the shell option 'nullglob' set, then "grep ^ii.*" would have gone wrong. You may feel this is unlikely, but it's good style to quote metacharacters nonetheless. There are no metacharacters in ^ii alone, so quoting there is unnecessary. -- Colin Watson [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Can rpm packages from other linux distribution be used on Debian?
On Sat, May 15, 2004 at 01:16:09AM -0400, Kevin Mark wrote: > On Fri, May 14, 2004 at 09:50:00PM -0600, s. keeling wrote: > > I imagine there are cases in which this approach won't work, but we > > see the same thing from people everyday who are limiting themselves > > to only using debian tools. Just look at that stable vs. testing > > vs. unstable thread a month ago. > > > > And that's possibly the worst news the original poster wants to > > hear; he's got to make his stuff work on stable, testing, and > > unstable?!? Gah! > > Hi S, > one doesnt make a product 'work' for stable, testing or unstable. > every package start out it life as an unstable package. And if it > proves its stability it will get moved to testing. And then if all > goes well, it moves into stable. its stability and interaction with > other packages are the criteria that the debian packager of an authors > work uses to judge when it is moved to the next phase of readyness for > 'stable'. That applies to Debian packages, but not to third-party products being ported to Debian. The usual approach for those is to build for stable and deal with other problems if and when they arise. -- Colin Watson [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Setting locale failed
On Fri, May 14, 2004 at 08:35:53PM +0200, Jan Willem Stumpel wrote: > Colin Watson wrote: > >On Fri, May 07, 2004 at 07:45:48PM +0200, Jan Willem Stumpel wrote: > >>Please tell us, because this is a very serious botch-up which makes > >>Debian almost unusable for non-C-locale users. > > > >This is obviously not true, since the locale warnings you got were > >merely non-failure-causing warnings, and not the source of the error > >... > > I am sorry, but I do not understand what you mean about "non-failure > causing warnings". I simply cannot set the locale (indeed, cannot > install the locales package successfully) on one of my machines > (running testing). > > Unpacking locales (from .../locales_2.3.2.ds1-12_all.deb) ... > Setting up locales (2.3.2.ds1-12) ... > Generating locales... > en_US.UTF-8.../usr/sbin/locale-gen: line 41: 23102 Killed > localedef -i $input -c -f $charset -A /etc/locale.alias $locale > dpkg: error processing locales (--configure): > subprocess post-installation script returned error exit status 137 That has nothing to do with the original poster's problem. The original poster mentioned some locale-related warnings which weren't fatal; your problems are fatal but entirely different. It looks rather as if locale-gen is running out of memory and being killed by the kernel? Check your syslog. Cheers, -- Colin Watson [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Alias problem
On Thu, May 13, 2004 at 06:49:16AM -0700, Aldous Huxley wrote: > Whenever I create the alias: [alias 'ls=ls --color=auto'] it works > just fine until I log out and then log back in, then, magically, it's > not there. Why doesn't linux save these changes to disk? Because it doesn't work that way (I often define aliases for single sessions, for example). Put those changes in your shell startup scripts; that's what they're there for. Cheers, -- Colin Watson [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: date locale problem
On Thu, May 13, 2004 at 08:32:50PM +0800, cantona wrote: > However "LC_TIME=C date" still display the zh_HK date > "LC_ALL=C date" works, but it change all locate to C.. > I dont want like that. Have you set LC_ALL=zh_HK? Don't - use the LANG variable instead of LC_ALL if you want to be able to override individual aspects of it. -- Colin Watson [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Failed to open /dev/ttySO
On Thu, May 13, 2004 at 01:31:51PM +0200, Philippe Dhont (Sea-ro) wrote: > I am using smsclient with a normal user. > I changed some settings and smsclient works with root and normally also > with a normal user but i have troubles with /dev/ttyS0 > > The user has no rights for ttyS0 ? > ==> Failed to open /dev/ttyS0 > > How can i change my /dev/ttyS0 so that a regular user can use it ? Don't change the device; add the user to the dialout group. -- Colin Watson [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: rpm and Debian
On Thu, May 13, 2004 at 03:32:57PM -0400, Lee Hanxue wrote: > On Thu, 13 May 2004 00:58:58 -0500 > dircha <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > [1] http://packages.debian.org > > [2] http://apt-get.org > > [3] http://www.backports.org > > [4] http://www.debian.org/doc/debian-policy/ > > [5] http://lists.debian.org > > Not to forget http://mentors.debian.net > You might be able to find packages which are not available at the > official repository. I would advise against using mentors.debian.net unless you're a Debian developer sponsoring packages, or unless somebody you trust has explicitly pointed you to an individual package there. Packages in the mentors archive are there because they're waiting for a Debian developer to sponsor them into the official archive. -- Colin Watson [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: mutt in xterm fun
On Thu, May 13, 2004 at 01:50:14AM +0100, Clive Menzies wrote: > Incidentally, I used shift L in mutt to send a reply and normally it > won't cc you but it seems to have done - is there something in the way > your setup is inhibiting normal behaviour? See his Mail-Followup-To: header. -- Colin Watson [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: IMAP tunnel thru http proxy - possible?
On Wed, May 12, 2004 at 11:17:23PM -0400, Adam Aube wrote: > Translation: "Please tell me how to violate my employer's security > policy". > > Disclaimer: Doing this in your workplace may, depending on local laws > and employer policies, result in disciplinary action up to and > including termination, and may even lead to a lawsuit or criminal > prosecution. > > If the proxy is badly configured, you may be able to tunnel out to > arbitrary TCP ports using the CONNECT method. Under certain > circumstances it is possible even with a properly configured proxy. > > There are software tools designed to do this, though I know of none by > name. 'corkscrew' is one. -- Colin Watson [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: date locale problem
On Thu, May 13, 2004 at 02:33:17AM +0800, cantona wrote: > I am using locale zh_HK, the date is displaying in Chinese. (å 5æ 13 > 02:26:03 HKT 2004) > I want to display the 'date' in C (Thu May 13 02:28:59 HKT 2004) Set LC_TIME=C in your environment. See locale(7). Cheers, -- Colin Watson [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: bug in sarge installer
On Wed, May 12, 2004 at 07:23:56PM +0200, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > I seem to have found a bug in the sarge-intaller, but I don't know > which package it belongs to and so I can't check if it has already > been reported. Can someone help me? Please report installer bugs to [EMAIL PROTECTED]; also see the web site for how to file a formal installation report. > The error happens directly after the start of the installation. The > message is two lines long and reads: > > "01:00:,rw=0,want=8216,limit=8192 > attempt to acess beyond end of device" > > These two lines repeat very fast. What's wrong? What architecture is this? The ramdisk size is too small; boot with the ramdisk_size=16384 (or similar) kernel parameter to work around this. -- Colin Watson [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Restoring /etc/inittab
On Wed, May 12, 2004 at 06:32:54PM +0200, Pierg75 wrote: > Monique Y. Mudama wrote: > >Um, no, you haven't. If rm is aliased to 'rm -i' in root's environment, > >it should have prompted. Unless he neglected to mention that he > >actually did 'rm -rf' ... > > Somewhere i read that an alias should never be an alias of itself, > something like alias rm='rm -i' Whatever you read was wrong; a word is not expanded as an alias if it is identical to an alias currently being expanded. Cheers, -- Colin Watson [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Getting back with dselect
On Wed, May 12, 2004 at 01:19:52PM +0100, Clive Menzies wrote: > On (12/05/04 14:23), Vittorio wrote: > > I've erroneously asked dselect to install many packages which entail > > the download of an incredible amount of other dependent packages > > (something like 600 MB of stuff), as I can see asking to install. > > > > Now I don't want all this to happen but don't know how to get back, > > I mean how, using dselect (or in case apt-get), to deselect all > > those packages automagically selected. > > Press ? in the selections menu and select k for keystrokes; it will show > you R to revert to the previous state before your current selections. That only works if you haven't left the Select screen since making the selections you want to revert. See #151540 for a patch adding the feature Vittorio wants, and discussion of how you can sort of do it in a confusing way without the patch. -- Colin Watson [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Can rpm packages from other linux distribution be used on Debian?
On Wed, May 12, 2004 at 05:40:51PM +0800, Rick wrote: > Our product is base on redhat,I will porting it to Debian,but in this > system,many procedure depend redhat rpms,for example: > glibc-2.3.2-11.9.i386.rpm, perl-5.8.0-88.i386.rpm,etc.. > At the start,I wanted to try install these rpm packages(from redhat) Once you have done that, the system is no longer really Debian, so I don't see the point. Figure out what Debian packages it depends on instead. > On debian,but I found that thers is a lot work to do,some rpm packages > even can't be installed on it.(perhaps these rpms packages from redhat > can't be used on debian at all). In general they shouldn't be. -- Colin Watson [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Installing Debian Stable with Software RAID
On Wed, May 12, 2004 at 12:30:15AM -0400, Jeremy Brown wrote: > Jeremy Brown wrote: > >I'm relatively new to Debian, but am considering installing it on > >several new servers I'm setting up. At least one of the servers will > >need its root partition stored on a software RAID volume though, and a > >casual glance at both the Debian stable and testing installers seems > >to indicate that they do not support the creation of a software RAID > >volumes for use as the root install partition (well, at all > >really)...although it does look like testing's installer has LVM support. > > > >Is there a general procedure to follow for installing Debian on a > >software RAID volume? Is this something that's even possible right now? > > Just pinging this thread, since I haven't seen a response yet. > > Does anyone have any pointers on getting software RAID working in > Debian, preferably pre-install? Can it be done at all? Very current daily builds of the sarge debian-installer (not beta4) support software RAID. Cheers, -- Colin Watson [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: How to downgrade kernel?
On Tue, May 11, 2004 at 07:54:22PM +0200, Pedro M. (Morphix User) wrote: > For me, It wasn't so easy to upgrade. How can I see If I have upgraded > my kernel to 2.6.X (i.e.). uname -a -- Colin Watson [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Kernel date stamp?
On Tue, May 11, 2004 at 11:10:13AM -0400, Danny O'Brien wrote: > We updated the kernel this weekend using apt-get update followed by > apt-get . However, uname-a delivers the following response: > > Linux mail 2.4.18-686 #1 Sun Apr 14 11:32:47 EST 2002 i686 unknown > > Why is this kernel dated April, 2002? Is this the most recent version? That's the build date. Remember that the last stable release was released in July 2002 ... -- Colin Watson [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: about using rpm command error in debian
On Mon, May 10, 2004 at 05:01:03PM +0800, li Rick wrote: > I am a debian new user.I had set up Debian env,I will use rpm on it,but > when I run "rpm -qa",the following error showed: > --- > # rpm -qa > error: cannot open Packages index using db3 - No such file or directory (2) > # Debian doesn't use RPM. The sort of thing you're trying to do Just Won't Work without a lot of manual hacking; if you're going to do that then you might as well run an RPMish distribution to start with. Use the Debian package management tools instead. Cheers, -- Colin Watson [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: BT Voyager 1010 (or Linksys WUSB11)
On Mon, May 10, 2004 at 09:08:47AM +0100, Jonathan Melhuish wrote:
> Hmm, I tried to modify it "properly" so that I can send my changes back
> to the authors. Here's the diff:
>
> >#define VENDOR_ID_BT 0x69a
> >#define PRODUCT_ID_BT_VOYAGER_10100x821
> 113a114
> >{ USB_DEVICE(VENDOR_ID_BT, PRODUCT_ID_BT_VOYAGER_1010 ) },
>
> I did a make, make install, but still the message in the system log is
> the same (not claimed by any active driver). I tried typing "modprobe
> -v at76c503-rfmd" again but to no avail.
>
> Just as an aside, how do I get the proper diff output with filenames and
> line numbers and stuff, so that you can use "patch"?
Use 'diff -u'.
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Re: Testing->Stable?
On Fri, May 07, 2004 at 02:00:05PM -0700, Justin Souter, InkNoise wrote: > Is there any information on when the current testing release will become the > stable release? Follow the debian-devel-announce mailing list for relevant announcements. Cheers, -- Colin Watson [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Setting locale failed
On Fri, May 07, 2004 at 07:45:48PM +0200, Jan Willem Stumpel wrote: > Thomas Adam wrote: > > --- Christian Christmann <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > >> my resent apt-get upgrade of my German sarge system failed while > >> installing some locales packages. When I now execute an upgrade the > >> process always fails with the message: [..] > > > Check the BTS... http://bugs.debian.org/ > > I looked there already, as I am sure the OP did. Do you have any idea > how to fix this problem? You seem to imply that the solution is obvious, > so what is it? > > Please tell us, because this is a very serious botch-up which makes > Debian almost unusable for non-C-locale users. This is obviously not true, since the locale warnings you got were merely non-failure-causing warnings, and not the source of the error ... Cheers, -- Colin Watson [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Using Find with Grep
On Fri, May 07, 2004 at 09:21:16AM -0500, Rick Weinbender wrote:
> How can I make the following expression display only occurrences that
> do NOT contain the searchstring. Is this possible?
>
> find /home -name *.txt -exec grep searchstring {} \;
>
> I want to search for the absense of a particular commandline in a user
> config file.
-L, --files-without-match
Suppress normal output; instead print the name of
each input file from which no output would normally
have been printed. The scanning will stop on the
first match.
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Re: lynx and google.com
On Thu, May 06, 2004 at 11:39:42AM -0700, William Ballard wrote: > On Thu, May 06, 2004 at 02:14:56PM -0400, David P James wrote: > > William Ballard wrote: > > > -e 's/href=\//href=http:\/\/google.com\//g' \ > >^ > > Does this line actually work? To me it looks like you're missing an > > escape before the second '/' before the second 'href'. > > Yes, it actually works. The unescaped / are delimiters for the s///. > It's trashy write-only code -- but it works. FWIW, the next time you can write this instead: -e 's,href=/,href=http://google.com/,g' ... or pretty much any other sensible delimiter of your choice. -- Colin Watson [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Massive increase of spam on debian-*@l.d.o
On Thu, May 06, 2004 at 10:49:56AM -0700, Paul Johnson wrote: > CaT <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > > On Thu, May 06, 2004 at 12:18:10AM -0700, Paul Johnson wrote: > >> Spammer... > > > > *plonk* > > And once again you show the maturity of a spoiled six year old on an > internationally distributed mailing list. Hopefully potential future > employers see what kind of pointless hissy-fits you're prone to. On the evidence of this thread you really don't have anything to preach about, I'm afraid. -- Colin Watson [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Mutt's internal pager and accented characters
On Thu, May 06, 2004 at 02:11:11PM -0400, Emma Jane Hogbin wrote: > On Wed, May 05, 2004 at 11:53:33AM +0100, Colin Watson wrote: > > I find it simplest by far to run mutt in a UTF-8 locale, at which point > > it can deal with accented characters from a wide range of languages > > without me having to intervene further. You'll need a terminal emulator > > that can cope (I have personal experience of pterm and uxterm) and a > > suitable font (your terminal emulator may or may not sort this out for > > you; with pterm it's easiest to pick a font). > > Regardless of whether I'm using pterm or Eterm switching to UTF-8 does > not solve any problems. In fact it CREATES more problems! Setting mutt to: > set charset="utf-8" > gives me a capital A with a ~ on top instead of correctly mapping as lower > case a with an accent grave on top. I don't use 'set charset'; I simply make sure that the terminal is running in UTF-8 mode and that my locale is UTF-8. mutt seems to just work at that point. > > > according to /usr/share/doc/mutt/README.Debian > > > > But I've tried setting the LC_CTYPE="[EMAIL PROTECTED] ISO-8859-15" to no avail. > > > > That's not a legal value for LC_CTYPE, incidentally; > > LC_CTYPE=fr_FR.ISO-8859-15 would be better, or (if you take my approach) > > LC_CTYPE=fr_FR.UTF-8 for Unicode. > > Where would I get legal values for LC_CTYPE? The instructions said to read > my /etc/locale.gen file and what I have is definitely listed there. > fr_CA ISO-8859-1 > fr_CA.UTF-8 UTF-8 > fr_FR ISO-8859-1 > fr_FR.UTF-8 UTF-8 > [EMAIL PROTECTED] UTF-8 > [EMAIL PROTECTED] ISO-8859-15 The format of that file is . Entries in the left-hand column should be legal LC_CTYPE values, although they're not the only possible values. -- Colin Watson [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Problem with italian keyboard
On Mon, May 03, 2004 at 09:10:45AM +0200, Giannandrea Castaldi wrote: > and added in my .bashrc the following lines: > > export LC_ALL=en_US > export LANG=en_US > export LC_CTYPE=iso_8859_1 > > Perhaps LC_TYPE isn't correct I would expect LC_CTYPE=en_US.ISO-8859-1 or similar. -- Colin Watson [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: UXTerm, Andale Mono, and line drawings
On Sun, May 02, 2004 at 11:27:31PM -0400, Erinn Clark wrote: > I recently switched to UTF-8 and have since been using UXTerm for pretty > much everything. As a long time Andale Mono fan, I'm quite disturbed to > find out that line drawings no longer work (i.e. threads in mutt look > like boxy ... things). Are you using a UTF-8-aware mutt? -- Colin Watson [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: BETA 4 Network Install KONSOLE-TERMINAL problem
On Sun, May 02, 2004 at 03:50:28PM -0500, Robert Maynord wrote: > I have been experimenting with the the Beta 4 network install that uses > KDE 3.2. All seems to go well, until I log in as a user. The user > desktop seems to work fine, except for Konsole (or a terminal in Gnome - > same problem). Konsole loads OK, but has no prompt! In other words, I > am unable to input any commands. Konsole works in root, but not in any > user account. I did not have this problem with BETA 3 - I have it > installed on multiple machines. > > Is this a bug or a feature? Do I need to modify a config file somewhere? I bet you just need to upgrade makedev to a fixed version: 2.3.1-69 would do. -- Colin Watson [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: sarge?
On Sun, May 02, 2004 at 07:06:49PM -0400, Carl Fink wrote: > On Sun, May 02, 2004 at 10:11:35PM +0100, Colin Watson wrote: > > It took quite a bit of effort (several months and a complete cessation > > of work on the new debian-installer) to whip the potato installation > > system into shape for woody. Sadly, we have *not* historically been in a > > position where we can just drop in the installer from the previous > > release and expect it to work, and by the end of its life boot-floppies > > was such a nightmare to develop that this *was* a major blocker. A > > substantial part of the point in investing so much development effort in > > d-i is to fix this perennial problem for the future. > > Fair enough. I have only written installers for applications, not operating > systems, so I'm quite ignorant of these issues. Could you clarify why the > Woody installers can't install Sarge? I was never a boot-floppies developer, just an observer, but: debootstrap update (fairly trivial, but needs to be done). Lack of support for newer kernels, particularly on non-i386 (big task); you don't really want to run sarge on 2.2 and the security team don't want to support 2.2 any more. Changes in the base system have a well-documented habit of breaking the installer, which in turn takes time to fix. I'm guessing, but it wouldn't surprise me if the interaction with the second stage has changed. CD building issues. Probably architecture-specific issues I don't know about. Of course, woody had a somewhat harder time of it because it added several new architectures, but the only reason that hasn't happened for sarge is because changes need to be made in the archive maintenance system first, and the timeframe for that couldn't have been predicted at the beginning of the sarge release cycle. Let's go on a tour through the woody development cycle: http://lists.debian.org/debian-devel-announce/2000/debian-devel-announce-200012/msg00012.html giving up on d-i development as taking too long, returning to then non-functional b-f http://lists.debian.org/debian-devel-announce/2001/debian-devel-announce-200102/msg00014.html "Short summary: It's about time we froze. Go help Adam with boot-floppies." i386 boot-floppies not working yet. http://lists.debian.org/debian-devel-announce/2001/debian-devel-announce-200104/msg4.html "In short: there hasn't been any [progress], go help Adam and David with boot-floppies." Still no working i386 b-f. http://lists.debian.org/debian-devel-announce/2001/debian-devel-announce-200105/msg3.html One successful i386 install with "CVS versions of this and hacked versions of that". http://lists.debian.org/debian-devel-announce/2001/debian-devel-announce-200106/msg00014.html b-f finally more or less OK enough on some architectures to start a freeze process. http://lists.debian.org/debian-devel-announce/2001/debian-devel-announce-200107/msg00011.html alpha, mips, mipsel, s390 (and others that didn't release) still didn't have working installers. Note that alpha was supported in potato. http://lists.debian.org/debian-devel-announce/2001/debian-devel-announce-200108/msg2.html Ditto. After that things more or less got sorted out. Of course, the woody freeze then got sidetracked by crypto-in-main and the suddenly discovered need for a major upgrade to the security build infrastructure, but that's another story. Still, that's five months from ground zero to an install that worked at all for one developer with weird hacks on i386, six months to something reasonable on a few architectures, and over eight months to something we could even think about releasing. If you're trying to freeze six months after release, that frankly sucks. Going that route for sarge just wasn't an option with elderly code with that kind of track record. Sure, we've had to take the hit of a massive initial development cycle for d-i, but it's now got considerably more developer interest than b-f ever had, it has a distributed maintenance structure so it's possible for more than a few gurus to manage to build and upload the thing correctly, it uses our autobuilder infrastructure so supporting other architectures is considerably easier, and it makes use of micro-packages generated as part of regular uploads of packages in the main distribution to unstable to reduce the duplication of effort involved. With some forthcoming debootstrap changes, we stand quite a good chance of being able to maintain a rolling installer for testing for at least some of the time from here on in. There are still problems, but the light at the end of the tunnel is generally visible and distinguishable from oncoming trains. Cheers, -- Colin Watson [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: bugs in stable ?
On Sun, May 02, 2004 at 06:59:10PM -0400, xavier wrote: > On Sun, May 02, 2004 at 11:44:32PM +0100, Colin Watson wrote: > > This is being worked on (by me) in the bug tracking system. It's not an > > easy task, and not well-solved by tags. > > Thanks a lot, I guess you think that's an issue too. > Although I perfectly understand it is a hard problem to solve, > it would be nice to have something working for sarge, > since if it isn't, it probably won't be out until the next stable. The bug tracking system doesn't require new stable releases for upgrades to be useful. The sarge release is almost irrelevant here, except for the way it tends to eat a lot of my time. > How about using package version numbers ? That's exactly what is being done. -- Colin Watson [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: bugs in stable ?
On Sun, May 02, 2004 at 06:34:18PM -0400, xavier wrote: > However, when there is a problem on a package in stable which > is not important enough to be updated, the package stays > as-is and information about this bug is difficult to retrieve. > > That the package doesn't change is fine with me, what i'd like > is a way to keep track of problems of packages in the stable distribution. > > I'd like thoses bugs to be reported by apt-listbugs. > I'd like the bugs submitted with reportbug on stable to have a "stable"(maybe?) tag. > I guess a lot of them would have a "fixed in unstable" tag. > > Currently I believe there is no easy way to get this information. > (correct me if i'm wrong) This is being worked on (by me) in the bug tracking system. It's not an easy task, and not well-solved by tags. -- Colin Watson [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: usb in Kernel 2.6.[35]
On Sun, May 02, 2004 at 05:26:42PM -0400, H. S. wrote: > Apparently, _Colin Watson_, on 05/02/04 17:05,typed: > >I don't know why your camera isn't working any more, but I can help with > >the modules questions: to my knowledge, usb-uhci has simply been renamed > >to uhci-hcd. The ehci-hcd module is for USB 2.0 support; USB 2.0 > >controllers apparently generally have "companion controllers" which are > >UHCI or OHCI, so you get both modules. > > So, theoritically, I only need ehci-hcd to use USB 1.0 devices? And > uhci-hdc or ohci-hcd if I want to use USB 2.0 devices as well? The other way round. > BTW, I also noticed that there is a usbcore module that uses uhci-hcd > in 2.6.5 kernel. usbcore is the bottom layer of USB support, required in order to use USB at all. See the help entry for "Support for USB" in the kernel configuration. -- Colin Watson [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: sarge?
On Sun, May 02, 2004 at 08:38:15AM -0400, Carl Fink wrote: > On Sun, May 02, 2004 at 11:49:28AM +0100, Colin Watson wrote: > > Aside from that, I'm afraid you would have been necessarily ignored > > until now. Without a working installer, there is absolutely no point in > > releasing. This has thoroughly hamstrung any attempts at a time-based > > release cycle until now. > > There was a working installer in Woody (clunky, but working.) Given a known > release schedule, it wouldn't have been repaced in Sarge until a new, > working installer was actually ready. This is a common response to my point above, but have you checked to see if the woody installer will actually install sarge, or be ready for newer kernels so that we can support installing on newer hardware (which for many people is half the point of a new stable release)? I'm pretty sure you'd find this isn't true. We had a choice between a non-working installer and, er, a non-working installer. It took quite a bit of effort (several months and a complete cessation of work on the new debian-installer) to whip the potato installation system into shape for woody. Sadly, we have *not* historically been in a position where we can just drop in the installer from the previous release and expect it to work, and by the end of its life boot-floppies was such a nightmare to develop that this *was* a major blocker. A substantial part of the point in investing so much development effort in d-i is to fix this perennial problem for the future. -- Colin Watson [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: usb in Kernel 2.6.[35]
On Sun, May 02, 2004 at 04:14:19PM -0400, H. S. wrote: > I recently installed Kernel-2.6.5. In Kernel 2.4.24 I was able to > transfer pictures from my ditical camera by gphoto2 (using the usermap > in /etc/hotplug/usb and setting things up so that members of "usbcamera" > could use gphoto2 to transfer pics from the USB camera). The module > being used for this was usb-uhci. > > In kernels 2.6.5 and 2.6.3 though, I am not able to transfer the pics > anymore. gphoto2 doesn't see any camera. Also, I see that there is no > usb-uhci module loaded anymore. Only uhci-hcd (IIRC) and usbcore and > ehci-hcd. I don't know why your camera isn't working any more, but I can help with the modules questions: to my knowledge, usb-uhci has simply been renamed to uhci-hcd. The ehci-hcd module is for USB 2.0 support; USB 2.0 controllers apparently generally have "companion controllers" which are UHCI or OHCI, so you get both modules. HTH, -- Colin Watson [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Creating deb packages
On Sun, May 02, 2004 at 07:55:41AM -0500, hugo vanwoerkom wrote: > There was a good description of this here: > > http://groups.google.com/groups?q=+%22creating+deb+packages%22+group:linux.debian.user&hl=en&lr=&ie=UTF-8&oe=UTF-8&scoring=d&selm=19990207111807.A13858%40glitch.snoozer.net&rnum=1 > > That is completely outdated. What's outdated about it? It might not have been updated in a while, but that's not quite the same thing. As far as I know, the advice it gives is still good. Cheers, -- Colin Watson [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Files in /etc/pam.d/
On Sat, May 01, 2004 at 11:04:41PM +0200, Wolfgang Pfeiffer wrote: > Problem for me, as I said: no docs that I found so far on which file in > /etc/pam.d is used by which service. Which currently renders the whole > PAM system close to unusable for me ... How about grep? grep common-auth /etc/pam.d/* -- Colin Watson [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: sarge?
On Sat, May 01, 2004 at 10:38:13AM -0400, Carl Fink wrote: > I've been tempted to become a Debian developer specifically to propose > a fixed release schedule: Sarge becomes "frozen" every six months, > whatever state it's in. Period. Well, firstly, you don't need to be a developer to propose changes to the release schedule (unless you're foolish enough to want to do it by vote, at which point I think the release team would resign on you). You might want to be a developer in order to be listened to, but actually just being a developer isn't what gets you influence, but rather doing the work. Aside from that, I'm afraid you would have been necessarily ignored until now. Without a working installer, there is absolutely no point in releasing. This has thoroughly hamstrung any attempts at a time-based release cycle until now. I like the idea (to some extent; "whatever state it's in" is frankly asking for trouble, but we wouldn't have to go that far). Until now, though, it has not been feasible. -- Colin Watson [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: sarge?
On Sat, May 01, 2004 at 02:35:21PM +0200, David Fokkema wrote: > On Sat, May 01, 2004 at 11:27:23AM +0100, Colin Watson wrote: > > On Sat, May 01, 2004 at 05:54:38AM -0400, Kevin Mark wrote: > > > I have been following the discussion from bits here, from > > > planet.debian.net and misc sources. I appreciate the effort that goes > > > into making Debian but I wish that it could be a bit pragmatic and > > > just temporarity suspend the issues relating to the most recent update > > > to the social contract and release the debian-installer and sarge and > > > let the world see the great stuff that has been brewing in the debian > > > laboratories. > > > > http://www.debian.org/vote/2004/vote_004 > > I'm worried about the many alternative choices in this vote. Suppose 4:1 > voters agree that the new social contract should be delayed so that > sarge can be released, but some think that it should be september, 1st, > some that sarge could take longer so do it after the release, some want > sarge released with a special notice saying the social contract changes > are ignored for this release etc. and none of the choices will get a 3:1 > majority. That way sarge will not be released before 2005 whereas 4:1 > people wanted it to. > Am I seeing things wrongly? I certainly hope so. You're missing something, yes. The constitution only requires that the winning option has a 3:1 majority over "Further Discussion", not over every other option. It's not a problem. (I had to check on this myself when proposing an amendment, though.) Cheers, -- Colin Watson [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: anyone using ssh-3.2.9.1 non-commercial with unstable?
On Sun, Apr 25, 2004 at 02:01:47PM -0400, Alan Ezust wrote: > I have the non-commercial version of ssh-3.2.9.1 which I compile from > source on every machine I use, because it happens to be used by the > server at Suffolk (our sysadmin there likes it). > > Here's what happened. Before, I would run ssh-add from a konsole > shell, and it would ask for a passphrase from stdin. And since i had > the ssh-agent installed properly (running infront of KDE) everything > worked great. > > But since the last upgrade, now, it pops up the "ssh-askpass" program, > which asks me for a passphrase or a passcode, but does not properly > pass it back to ssh-add (or ssh, for that matter). That's a makedev bug. See #245718 et al. -- Colin Watson [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Is there a complete log to the bootup messages?
On Sun, Apr 25, 2004 at 11:37:44AM +0200, Niels L. Ellegaard wrote: > PS: I never understood why is bootlogd turned of by default. In case > some big guru is reading this, I would be grateful for a pointer to an > explanation. :) Gurus become gurus by reading. :) See the sysvinit changelog. sysvinit (2.85-8) unstable; urgency=low [...] * Do not run bootlogd by default - it's a bit to experimental for the "stable" release. Can be turned on manually (closes: #217582) [...] -- Miquel van Smoorenburg <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Thu, 18 Dec 2003 23:11:20 +0100 Cheers, -- Colin Watson [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Sarge Version of Debian?
On Thu, Apr 22, 2004 at 02:38:30PM -0400, David Piniella wrote: > This is of interest to me because I 'm about to reinstall debian on a > machine and I'd like to go straight to sarge. What's the preferred or > ideal method? I don't mind net installs, but I don't know whether to use > the 100MB image, or the 30MB net-installer or the PGI GUI installer or > install a bare woody and dist-upgrade to sarge/testing? If you don't mind net installs, get the 30MB businesscard image, and please report problems in it. If using a daily build is too scary, the d-i team will be releasing release candidate 1 in a week or so. Cheers, -- Colin Watson [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: kernel 2.6.4 serial ata support - promise 20376
On Tue, Apr 20, 2004 at 05:10:56PM +0100, Matthew Kay wrote: > I have a Promise SATA controller, 20376 (aka the TX2Plus). > > When I used 2.6.0-test9 there was a lovely option called SATA_PROMISE > which I said yes to and everything worked beautifully. > > However, I can't find this in the SCSI or ATA menus for 2.6.4 or 2.6.5, > which I downloaded from the debian kernel-source packages and extracted > into /usr/src. Could someone tell me exactly where to find the > replacement option, please? Make sure you have CONFIG_EXPERIMENTAL turned on. It's under "SCSI low-level drivers". -- Colin Watson [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Kernel 2.6
On Tue, Apr 20, 2004 at 06:07:21PM +0200, Florian Ernst wrote: > On Tue, Apr 20, 2004 at 04:32:20PM +0100, Colin Watson wrote: > > On Tue, Apr 20, 2004 at 04:54:50PM +0200, Florian Ernst wrote: > > > Sarge and 2.6 as the default kernel? Well, I'd guess like »never«. > > > Maybe it will be the default in Sarge+1... > > > > > > Integrating 2.6 into the new debian-installer is work in progress, but > > > I'd be very surprised (to say the least) if it became the default > > > now... > > > > It's possible that it may be made the default on some architectures, > > although we're going to have to get a move on there (and I certainly > > don't speak for Joey ...). We'll see. > > Ah, I see, thanks. I take it you mean m68k-mac and possibly sparc32. > AFAIK it'll eventually get there, but not just yet. I was thinking of powerpc, actually. I've done a full install using 2.6 there, although I'm waiting for some bug fixes outside d-i so I haven't yet committed everything necessary to d-i. > Is this in the light of Joey (not joeyh) saying "It is insane to > believe the security team has any chance to support Linux 2.2, Linux > 2.4 and Linux 2.6 once sarge is released." as of > http://lists.debian.org/debian-devel-0403/msg01495.html ? No, I wasn't thinking of that, just of d-i release schedules. Cheers, -- Colin Watson [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Kernel 2.6
On Tue, Apr 20, 2004 at 04:54:50PM +0200, Florian Ernst wrote: > On Tue, Apr 20, 2004 at 09:14:33AM -0500, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > > Does anyone know when they will package sarge with the 2.6 kernel as a > > default kernel instead of it being an add in? > > Sarge and 2.6 as the default kernel? Well, I'd guess like »never«. > Maybe it will be the default in Sarge+1... > > Integrating 2.6 into the new debian-installer is work in progress, but > I'd be very surprised (to say the least) if it became the default > now... It's possible that it may be made the default on some architectures, although we're going to have to get a move on there (and I certainly don't speak for Joey ...). We'll see. -- Colin Watson [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Security warnings from pam_securetty?
On Mon, Apr 19, 2004 at 08:57:13PM +0200, Svante Signell wrote: > I find these messages in my logfiles. What has changed recently? > The access to the tty devices is crw-rw and owned by root.tty. > > sshd[4196]: (pam_securetty) access denied: tty 'ssh' is not secure ! > xscreensaver: (pam_securetty) access denied: tty ':0.0' is not secure ! This is a filed bug against pam. -- Colin Watson [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: New sarge installer casues problems on laptops
On Mon, Apr 19, 2004 at 11:59:57AM -0700, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > I just installed sarge using the new installer last week. [...] > So: a) whoever's in charge of the installer, The best place for that would be [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cheers, -- Colin Watson [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: ssh problem after upgrade from woody to sarge
On Mon, Apr 19, 2004 at 06:11:07AM -0700, Pete RedHair wrote: > Thanks for your reply . > > I was forgetting putty since it worked fine with woody, however i did > upgraded putty and now it works ok, even after the changes i made in > sshd_config which didn't let me login. > > Guess i missed the problem tracking when i assumed everything was ok > with my old version of putty (0.5.1), sorry. Aha, right. http://www.chiark.greenend.org.uk/~sgtatham/putty/changes.html indeed lists some crash bugs fixed after 0.51. Cheers, -- Colin Watson [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: SATA hard drives?
On Mon, Apr 19, 2004 at 09:07:27AM +0100, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > I have a new computer that has a Soyo Dragon motherboard, with Onboard > SATA/RAID: 2x Serial ATA, RAID 0/1, .. and a IBM 160 GB Hard > drive 160 GB 7200RPM SATA Hard Drive. > > Can Debian be installed on this setup? Serial ATA still requires a 2.6 kernel; support for it is scheduled for inclusion in 2.4.27. There are 2.6 versions of sarge's debian-installer in preparation, but they're still somewhat experimental ... -- Colin Watson [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: ssh problem after upgrade from woody to sarge
On Mon, Apr 19, 2004 at 04:43:48AM -0700, Pete RedHair wrote: > What happens is that i get the usual window when an application > crashes saying "putty.exe generated errors and is being closed by > windows, you need to restart the program" (it's something like this i > had to translate since my windows is not english. Best report that to the PuTTY team, then. Whether or not a current OpenSSH server triggers it, it's still a bug in PuTTY and should be fixed there. Are you using a recent version? -- Colin Watson [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: ssh problem after upgrade from woody to sarge
On Mon, Apr 19, 2004 at 03:15:44AM -0700, Pete RedHair wrote: > I've upgraded two Debian Woody boxes to "testing" (sarge). > > I use putty from a windows 2000 PC to login to these linux boxes, but > after the upgrade i can't login anymore. > > What happens is that after typing the username and password putty > generates errors. What errors? It's impossible to help without seeing those. -- Colin Watson [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Debian /etc/hosts Behavior
On Sun, Apr 18, 2004 at 10:35:22PM -0700, Marc Wilson wrote: > On Sun, Apr 18, 2004 at 11:22:36PM -0400, Joey Hess wrote: > > The installer does indeed create that line. In recent daily builds, > > we've changed things around to the more sane: > > > > 127.0.0.1 localhost hostname > > Hm... someone's assuming that d-i rather than the more normal boot-floppies > is in use. The guy said "a fresh install of unstable". It's a reasonable assumption. Joey is familiar with installer issues :-) -- Colin Watson [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: postnuke in debian?
On Sat, Apr 17, 2004 at 12:11:11AM -0300, Toshiro wrote: > Anybody knows why postnuke is not included in Debian? Any problem with the > license? It was removed. = [Date: Sun, 25 Jan 2004 14:50:52 -0500] [ftpmaster: Daniel Silverstone] Removed the following packages from unstable: postnuke | 0.723-4.2 | source, all Closed bugs: 227772 --- Reason --- RoQA; Orphaned. Security nightmare -- = (http://ftp-master.debian.org/removals.txt) -- Colin Watson [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: naming usb devices?
On Fri, Apr 16, 2004 at 09:24:06PM -0400, Matt Price wrote: > feel like I saw this somewhere a while ago, but a quick search didn't > turn up what I wanted. Is there a way to assign a permanent name to a > usb device like a pen drive,' so that (say) if I plug in two different > pen drives at the same time, each one gets assigned to an appropriate > name, say "/mnt/schoolfiles/" and "/mnt/fun/"? This would be > convenient (tho not essential) for me. Sounds like you want the LABEL= or UUID= syntax in /etc/fstab. See fstab(5) for details. Cheers, -- Colin Watson [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Module /usr/src/modules/bcm4400 failed (ahh no network)
On Thu, Apr 15, 2004 at 10:08:49PM -0700, wex wrote: > Actually the very first thing I did was download the new sarge 2 weeks > ago, and I did so with excitement and high expectations. And I will say > this for other people's benefit it is definitely a beta installer. Yup. > It gave me a various range of problems that I won't go into; plus; it > seems as though it actually gave me less autonomy although there was > an expert mode I did not use. In particular the bootloader process > was f$cked In what way was it broken? There were some errata in beta3, should be fixed in beta4. > I don't know what the exact intent was in re-doing the installer and i > am sure there is an important underlying reason, It had become impossible to maintain or significantly extend the old one, and the old installer was built in such a way as to discourage all but the most dedicated developers. > but it is unfortunate that it makes the already hardest distribution > to install harder. We've in fact had many reports saying "this is much easier than the woody installer". Of course there are bugs, not helped by trying to track a distribution in development, but they're generally stomped on pretty quickly. > By the way what I don't understand is why sarge isn't coming with an > option to load the 2.6 kernel, who really wants the 2.4 kernel at this > point? Quite a few people, actually. However, 2.6 support has been added recently; it's still raw, but sarge should release with a 2.6 option at least on i386, maybe powerpc as well. -- Colin Watson [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Re: Linux/Windows Universal Benchmark
On Wed, Apr 14, 2004 at 10:23:48PM +0100, Andy Morris wrote: > Now one thing I should have mentioned earlier is that the app was > written in Java (compiled using Sun's jdk1.4.2 (not gentoo's blackdown > since it's too buggy)) and we are therefore also testing the platform > implementation of the VM (if you don't know about java basically when > code runs there is a middleman between the code running and the OS > (the Java Virtual Machine). It is possible that the jdk does not work > as well on Linux but this is what I use and so do millions of others, > and therefore it's can be a v good benchmark. I will shortly if i get > some time repeat the tests in C++ to remove this factor (it interfaces > directly with the OS since it's compiled into native binaries) and if > any1 does care for the result then let me know. I think it's very likely that at least some of the Java implementations available for Linux suck performance-wise compared to Windows. Java's quite a poor development platform on Linux; it doesn't help that the Sun JDK is non-free so people generally can't hack on it, and the free JVMs have only started to receive attention relatively recently. I'm afraid I wouldn't regard a Java benchmark as a remotely fair assessment of any difference between Linux and XP in themselves, whether or not millions of people use it. I also don't think that counting is a very interesting benchmark really. :) -- Colin Watson [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: no modules in 2.4.18 security update for IA32/woody?
On Wed, Apr 14, 2004 at 09:51:05AM -0700, David Rothenberger wrote: > I just installed the kernel-image-2.4.18-1-686 security update on my IA32 > machine and noticed that /lib/modules-2.4.18-1-686 was practically empty. > The /lib/modules directory for the previous version of the package had > lots of modules. > > Is this reasonable? There have to be some modules, right? The security update was broken. :-( The security team are aware of it, or so conversation on IRC would suggest ... -- Colin Watson [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Licensed software
On Tue, Apr 13, 2004 at 07:39:08PM -0400, Greg Folkert wrote: > Debian Linux is released under the GNU GPLv2. (GNU is Not Unix, General > Public License version 2) > Seen here: http://www.gnu.org/licenses/gpl.html *Parts* of Debian - important parts, indeed - are released under that licence, but the whole thing definitely is not. In fact, some of the components of Debian are released under licences incompatible with the GPL (but still free). Cheers, -- Colin Watson [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: software raid and lvm
On Tue, Apr 13, 2004 at 05:51:44PM -0400, Greg Sidelinger wrote: > I'm trying to find some documentation how installing testing on a system > using root on software raid1 and lmv. I've done some searching around > and most of the stuff I have seen is for the 3.0 installer and not the > new debian installer. So if anyone knows where I might find some > documentation on this could you please let me know. We don't have software RAID support in debian-installer yet, I'm afraid, but I believe efforts are underway. -- Colin Watson [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Undoing the 'l' command in mutt
On Tue, Apr 13, 2004 at 05:05:21PM +0100, Enrico Zini wrote: > I use mutt, unchanged keybindings. After I type 'l' to see only the > messages matching a given pattern, I'd like to get back to seeing the > whole mailbox. Is there a way of removing the 'l' filter besides > reopening the mailbox? The simpler way would be 'l'+Enter, but it does > not work. I had a look in the '?' list of all keybindings, but found > nothing. 'l' followed by entering '.' as the pattern works for me. -- Colin Watson [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: When a release is "ready." (was Re: Re: Debian has turned unusable.)
On Mon, Apr 12, 2004 at 08:47:59PM -0400, Chris Metzler wrote:
> So I would guess that there's some set of target properties that
> testing should have before it gets frozen that gets decided upon,
> e.g. "the next release must include a 2.4 kernel by default with a
> 2.6 kernel optional, the new installer, XF86 v4.3, exim4, GNOME 2.2
> or higher, etc." Whatever else is true about testing, and even if
> the release-critical bug count is zero, the release won't be made
> until these changes in the distro have been effected, since otherwise
> it isn't different enough or interesting enough to put out there as a
> new stable release. And I wonder how those goals are chosen, and
> where one goes to find out what they are. Probably an archive
> search of debian-devel would do it; but a better-publicized source
> (e.g. a page on the Debian website) might be a good idea. If the
> user community had a clear idea what the major issues for each new
> release are, they'd know the particular packages/services to
> concentrate on playing with and filing good bug reports about and
> so on -- thus perhaps helping to speed up the release.
>
> I know that a major focus of this release is the new installer, and
> that right now that's the main thing people should focus on to help
> the release get out. But earlier, I dunno what else I should have
> been installing and hammering on to help the release along. I could
> probably find it in debian-devel's archives; but maybe a page off
> the Debian front page ("Minimal Goals for the Next Release") would
> be a good idea.
Personally I'd rather see much more time-based releases once we've got a
reliably-updated installer post-sarge, but hey ...
The real reason that there's little in the way of information here is
that it could be reduced to a trivial page looking a bit like this:
_ _ _ _
| ___(_)_ __ (_)___| |__
| |_ | | '_ \| / __| '_ \
| _| | | | | | \__ \ | | |
|_| |_|_| |_|_|___/_| |_|
_ _
|_ _| |__ ___
| | | '_ \ / _ \
| | | | | | __/
|_| |_| |_|\___|
___ __ _ _
|_ _|_ __ ___| |_ __ _| | | ___ _ __| |
| || '_ \/ __| __/ _` | | |/ _ \ '__| |
| || | | \__ \ || (_| | | | __/ | |_|
|___|_| |_|___/\__\__,_|_|_|\___|_| (_)
Everything else is so far behind that goal that it isn't funny. It's
been in every release update posted to debian-devel-announce for the
last couple of years. There are minor bits and pieces, sure, but in
reality as soon as the new installer's really and truly ready for prime
time (which, finally, is a goal that's in sight) we'll be going straight
into freeze mode.
We (the release management team) have begun putting together better ways
to disseminate release targets, but I don't expect them to be decent
until we've got sarge out of the way.
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Re: Re: Debian has turned unusable.
On Mon, Apr 12, 2004 at 04:39:22PM -0500, Kevin Ruml wrote: > This topic/suggestion that desktop users should use "unstable" rather > than "stable", since it's no more unstable than other distros latest > releases, comes up regularly. What is the reason "unstable" isn't > renamed to something else to dispel the stigma the name gives? The name's hardcoded all over the place, unfortunately. Even if we wanted to, it'd actually be rather a large amount of effort to rename it, effort we could more productively spend in finishing off the new installer so that we can release sarge. -- Colin Watson [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: keep users alert to packages deleted from debian
On Mon, Apr 12, 2004 at 09:44:48AM +0200, Osamu Aoki wrote: > On Fri, Apr 02, 2004 at 10:28:44PM -0800, Brian Nelson wrote: > > I would venture to say that only 'apt-get source' is useful. 'apt-get > > install' doesn't offer anything 'aptitude install' offers. In fact, if > > you use aptitude, you should never use 'apt-get install' since you lose > > the benefits of aptitude tracking automatic dependencies. > > > > The only times I've used 'apt-get install' in the past 1.5 years or so > > are on newly installed systems, and then it's only to do 'apt-get > > install aptitude'. ;) > > Very good point. I expanded aptitude section and pointed out this very > important fact. > > Once you start using aptitude, it is depreciated to use That should be "deprecated". While "depreciated" is a common misspelling, that word actually means "reduced in value", such as the way a three-year-old car is worth less than a new one. -- Colin Watson [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: package removal
On Wed, Apr 07, 2004 at 11:28:18AM +0200, Sebastiaan wrote: > with the testing dist-upgrade I did last week, some packages were removed. > Usually I trust apt and Debian not to remove application packages, but > this time it removed xv. Don't ever, ever run dist-upgrade without looking over the list of removed packages. Ever. I believe that the next version of xfree86 will no longer force the removal of certain old packages. > Now I can't find this package in the Debian tree anymore, neither did apt > give me a reason why this package has been obsoleted or came with an > alternative. apt-get never gives you much in the way of reasoning, which is why I advise not using it for big upgrades. > Ideas where to find information why packages are obsoleted and removed > from the tree? http://ftp-master.debian.org/removals.txt = [Date: Mon, 21 May 2001 17:39:32 -0400] [ftpmaster: James Troup] Removed the following packages from unstable: xv | 3.10a-24 | powerpc xv | 3.10a-25 | arm, m68k xv | 3.10a-26 | source, alpha, i386, sparc xv-doc | 3.10a-26 | all Closed bugs: 98215 --- Reason --- ROM; no permission to modify and redistribute. -- ========= Cheers, -- Colin Watson [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Help -- Screen Scraping with Mechanize
On Mon, Apr 05, 2004 at 09:03:14PM -0400, Robert Tilley wrote: > I have libwww-mechanize-perl and libwww-perl installed. Is there some > debian-specific configuration I'm overlooking that can cause the errors > below? > > I don't know what's happening but something is not being found in some search > path. Help? > > [EMAIL PROTECTED]:~$ ./scrape_test.pl 'Demolition Man' > Can't locate XML/LibXML.pm in @INC (@INC You're still missing libxml-libxml-perl, as before. -- Colin Watson [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Help needed
On Tue, Apr 06, 2004 at 02:26:17PM +1000, Rob Weir wrote: > On Mon, Apr 05, 2004 at 09:11:44PM +0100, [EMAIL PROTECTED] said > > I have a harddisk size of 160GB. I am finding it hard to find a > > release of Debian that supports 48bit LBA which is what I need to > > partition this disk so that I can use all of the 160GB available. > > Currently I can see only 137GB of usable space. > > > > I have tried various ISO's, sid included. However, sid doesnt load by > > default, I have to use boot: linux ramdisk=1 otherwise it cant > > load, however, it then has script errors before the install starts. So > > I cant use this one. > > Debian doesn't make "sid isos" available, complain to whoever made them. Be careful; nowadays we do make netinsts of unstable and businesscard images that can install unstable. They're only really there for debian-installer testing, though. -- Colin Watson [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Root1
On Mon, Apr 05, 2004 at 02:10:19PM +0200, smurfd aka nicklas boman wrote: > l??r 2004-04-03 klockan 18.43 skrev smurfd: > > BUT, after some usage i found a file called /1 wich contained > > something about /etc/emacs and /2 and i dont use emacs. Though in > > /etc/emacs there was some that could have been installed by devhelp. > > > > My question is, has anyone else had this /1 file? was i rooted? is > > it a known bug? Anyway i had to wipe my drive, so i cant paste the > > exact containment in the /1 file. > > Okey, a short update. > The installer, still kick-ass, though, i wasnt able to make it install > lilo instead of grub. i skipped the "install grub" and choosed "install > lilo" instead, bud as i hit enter, i see the installer saying > "installing Grub" .. not lilo. > Weird.. (i know its still under development.. just wanted to let ya > know) Installation reports are best sent to debian-boot. > I have narrowed down the possibillities of things that could be the > cause of that file. > 1st) I had a visitioir, simple as that. i was kindof unprotected, though > still it feels pretty stupit to leave a file that visible... > 2nd) What i can think of, the only package i havent installed that was > on this box before is the mldonkey-server & mldoneky-gui packages, wich > i was using.. > > anyway, would appreciate some opinions. what could have caused this.. > shall i post a bug report? It seems very likely that the files are the result of a maintainer script bug rather than any kind of attack. However, you'd need to be able to narrow it down to a particular package before you wipe the disk in order to file a bug, really. Cheers, -- Colin Watson [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: why must Debian call Taiwan a "Province of China"?
[Please stop sending me private copies of mailing list mail. I read the list, although probably not for much longer at this rate.] On Mon, Apr 05, 2004 at 09:17:15PM +0800, Katipo wrote: > Colin Watson wrote: > >On Mon, Apr 05, 2004 at 03:21:42PM +0800, Katipo wrote: > >>This far exceeds flamebait. It is a serious issue. > >>I, myself, feel that we should have all been advised of this. > > > >Que? If you're interested in something, subscribe to the *relevant* > >mailing list. > > Subscribe to all of them so that nothing slips through? Yes. We have different mailing lists so that people interested in them can subscribe to them, rather than filling them all up with the same content. > >Nobody in Debian has an obligation to personally knock on your door > >and advise you of everything. > > Where and when was that requested? Do I have to overly stress the word > *ALL* so that it isn't ignored completely in the mad scramble for > philosophy of convenience? You mean as in "we should have all been advised of this"? "All" includes "you", and my statement is still true. debian-user is already on the verge of unusability without having every flamewar-of-the-week posted to it in order to "inform". Cheers, -- Colin Watson [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: why must Debian call Taiwan a "Province of China"?
On Mon, Apr 05, 2004 at 03:21:42PM +0800, Katipo wrote: > Bruce Miller wrote: > > Joey Hess was on the mark to criticize members of this list for > > rising to flamebait. > > This far exceeds flamebait. It is a serious issue. > I, myself, feel that we should have all been advised of this. Que? If you're interested in something, subscribe to the *relevant* mailing list. Nobody in Debian has an obligation to personally knock on your door and advise you of everything. Bye, -- Colin Watson [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Do Not make symlinks again in rc?.d after daemon package upgrade ?
On Sun, Apr 04, 2004 at 03:44:48PM +0200, jjluza wrote: > For some reason, I need to remove some symlinks to daemon in rc?.d. I launh > such a deamon from another place by running manually /etc/init.d/daemon > start. > The problem is that after each deamon package upgrade, the symlinks are > created again. Don't remove all of them, then. From update-rc.d(8): If any files /etc/rcrunlevel.d/[SK]??name already exist then update-rc.d does nothing. This is so that the system adminis- trator can rearrange the links, provided that they leave at least one link remaining, without having their configuration overwritten. -- Colin Watson [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
