Re: Install Debian on a UEFI-motherboard ?
On Thu, Oct 18, 2012 at 09:10:56PM +0200, Ralf Mardorf wrote: On Thu, 2012-10-18 at 17:29 +0100, Steve McIntyre wrote: Tom Rausner wrote: Hi Folks. I have a tower PC with a serious motherboard problem. It is unable to pass data from one place (say the harddisk) to another (say a CDROM), without drowning it in errors. I think some pathways in the motherboard is broken, so I want to replace it. BUT most of the motherboards on the market doesn't have an old-style BIOS, they've got the UEFI-thing. So the question is; can I replace my motherboard with one infested with the UEFI-thing and get a Debian install to work on it ? Hi Tom, I know we're a few weeks on from when you asked, but... As of today, we now have official debian-installer test CDs that should work for installing on UEFI systems. See http://lists.debian.org/debian-devel-announce/2012/10/msg7.html for more details about the release. Can't UEFI be disabled on most mobos? Yes, but why would you want to? On plenty of SATA-carrying motherboards, the controller can be switched from native AHCI to an IDE emulation. Similarly, other features of other motherboards can be switched off as desired. But if you have the newer, advanced features it's nice to have an operating system that exploits them. signature.asc Description: Digital signature
Re: Install Debian on a UEFI-motherboard ?
Tom Rausner wrote: Hi Folks. I have a tower PC with a serious motherboard problem. It is unable to pass data from one place (say the harddisk) to another (say a CDROM), without drowning it in errors. I think some pathways in the motherboard is broken, so I want to replace it. BUT most of the motherboards on the market doesn't have an old-style BIOS, they've got the UEFI-thing. So the question is; can I replace my motherboard with one infested with the UEFI-thing and get a Debian install to work on it ? Hi Tom, I know we're a few weeks on from when you asked, but... As of today, we now have official debian-installer test CDs that should work for installing on UEFI systems. See http://lists.debian.org/debian-devel-announce/2012/10/msg7.html for more details about the release. -- Steve McIntyre, Cambridge, UK.st...@einval.com We're the technical experts. We were hired so that management could ignore our recommendations and tell us how to do our jobs. -- Mike Andrews -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/e1tosy3-0002a7...@mail.einval.com
Re: Install Debian on a UEFI-motherboard ?
On Thu, 2012-10-18 at 17:29 +0100, Steve McIntyre wrote: Tom Rausner wrote: Hi Folks. I have a tower PC with a serious motherboard problem. It is unable to pass data from one place (say the harddisk) to another (say a CDROM), without drowning it in errors. I think some pathways in the motherboard is broken, so I want to replace it. BUT most of the motherboards on the market doesn't have an old-style BIOS, they've got the UEFI-thing. So the question is; can I replace my motherboard with one infested with the UEFI-thing and get a Debian install to work on it ? Hi Tom, I know we're a few weeks on from when you asked, but... As of today, we now have official debian-installer test CDs that should work for installing on UEFI systems. See http://lists.debian.org/debian-devel-announce/2012/10/msg7.html for more details about the release. Can't UEFI be disabled on most mobos? -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/1350587456.1143.9.camel@localhost.localdomain
Re: Install Debian on a UEFI-motherboard ?
Ralf Mardorf ralf.mard...@alice-dsl.net writes: On Thu, 2012-10-18 at 17:29 +0100, Steve McIntyre wrote: Tom Rausner wrote: Hi Folks. I have a tower PC with a serious motherboard problem. It is unable to pass data from one place (say the harddisk) to another (say a CDROM), without drowning it in errors. I think some pathways in the motherboard is broken, so I want to replace it. BUT most of the motherboards on the market doesn't have an old-style BIOS, they've got the UEFI-thing. So the question is; can I replace my motherboard with one infested with the UEFI-thing and get a Debian install to work on it ? Hi Tom, I know we're a few weeks on from when you asked, but... As of today, we now have official debian-installer test CDs that should work for installing on UEFI systems. See http://lists.debian.org/debian-devel-announce/2012/10/msg7.html for more details about the release. Can't UEFI be disabled on most mobos? The security can. I just installed debian on a new UEFI motherboard a couple of weeks ago with no issues whatever. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/1br4ovin1y@new-snowball.wb.pfeifferfamily.net
Re: Install Debian on a UEFI-motherboard ?
On Thu, Oct 18, 2012 at 12:29 PM, Steve McIntyre st...@einval.com wrote: Tom Rausner wrote: Hi Folks. I have a tower PC with a serious motherboard problem. It is unable to pass data from one place (say the harddisk) to another (say a CDROM), without drowning it in errors. I think some pathways in the motherboard is broken, so I want to replace it. BUT most of the motherboards on the market doesn't have an old-style BIOS, they've got the UEFI-thing. So the question is; can I replace my motherboard with one infested with the UEFI-thing and get a Debian install to work on it ? Hi Tom, While initially installing debian, I did locate some helpful tutorials from www.linuxbsdos.com . Although I do not have UEFI firmware, and you may not be installing debian in a dual-boot setup (like I did), the links below describe installing Ubuntu and Windows in a dual-boot configuration on motherboards that utilize UEFI firmware. He mentions that other distros can be used in place of Ubuntu as I kindly asked about my debian install. He also has debian related articles. There is some good information on UEFI that may be helpful to your installation. You can ask a question to the author (name: finid) at the bottom of the page in the links listed below. Dual-Boot using UEFI firmware and One Hard Drive: http://www.linuxbsdos.com/2012/10/11/dual-boot-windows-7-and-ubuntu-12-04-on-a-pc-with-uefi-hardware/ Dual Boot Using UEFI firmware and Two Hard Drives: http://www.linuxbsdos.com/2012/10/10/dual-boot-windows-7-and-ubuntu-12-04-on-a-pc-with-uefi-board-ssd-and-hdd/ Home page: http://www.linuxbsdos.com/ Additional links in regards to debian http://www.linuxbsdos.com/category/debian/ I hope this helps. Wally
Re: Install Debian on a UEFI-motherboard ?
On Thursday 18 October 2012 20:43:05 Joe Pfeiffer wrote: Ralf Mardorf ralf.mard...@alice-dsl.net writes: On Thu, 2012-10-18 at 17:29 +0100, Steve McIntyre wrote: Tom Rausner wrote: Hi Folks. I have a tower PC with a serious motherboard problem. It is unable to pass data from one place (say the harddisk) to another (say a CDROM), without drowning it in errors. I think some pathways in the motherboard is broken, so I want to replace it. BUT most of the motherboards on the market doesn't have an old-style BIOS, they've got the UEFI-thing. So the question is; can I replace my motherboard with one infested with the UEFI-thing and get a Debian install to work on it ? Hi Tom, I know we're a few weeks on from when you asked, but... As of today, we now have official debian-installer test CDs that should work for installing on UEFI systems. See http://lists.debian.org/debian-devel-announce/2012/10/msg7.html for more details about the release. Can't UEFI be disabled on most mobos? The security can. I just installed debian on a new UEFI motherboard a couple of weeks ago with no issues whatever. +1 And luckily I was having mouse problems and the GUI didn't activate. So it was extremely like all the BIOSs I've known and loved. Lisi Lisi -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/201210182250.55456.lisi.re...@gmail.com
Re: Install Debian on a UEFI-motherboard ?
Tom Rausner t...@rausner.dk writes: Hi. ons, 12 09 2012 kl. 03:01 +0200, skrev lee: Get an MSI board if you can. Asus sucks and Gigabyte is the worst crap you can get. I don't have any experience with Asrock, though. Well, it ended up with an ASRock. Let us know how it turns out in about three years from now :) -- Debian testing amd64 -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/87627ivd56@yun.yagibdah.de
Re: Install Debian on a UEFI-motherboard ?
Tony van der Hoff t...@vanderhoff.org writes: On 12/09/12 02:01, lee wrote: Tom Rausner t...@rausner.dk writes: Generally I would agree and I was looking at MSI and ASUS to start with. I just happened to clap my eyes on this one by accident -and liked it. Get an MSI board if you can. Asus sucks and Gigabyte is the worst crap you can get. I don't have any experience with Asrock, though. I read your 'installation' post, and thought this guy talks sense, :) so this comes as a severe let-down. I've never had a problem with ASUS boards. YMMV, but let's see some justification for your rubbishing ASUS and Gigabyte. Sigh, I was expecting that someone would ask. I've had an Asus board (because the specifications looked better than those for the comparable one from MSI) with a fan on it which made a lot of noise, and it was impossible to update the BIOS because they required you to have windoze installed for that, which of course I don't have. Their support is non-existent. Other than that, they aren't the worst you can get, and because of my experience I recommend to stay away from them. Gigabyte is a long story. I've seen a couple Gigabyte boards at work and all of them had issues, one being dead after a few days, another one never even worked. Then later I made the mistake to get one myself because I couldn't get any other. That board wasn't able to detect the hard disks when AHCI was enabled and wasn't very stable with all kinds of weird problems. Their support was totally clueless and unwilling to help. They had even something in the BIOS that would try to reserve some space on an arbitrary hard disk and write data to it, so the BIOS might just overwrite whatever you have on that disk. They called it a feature, and you couldn't turn it off. The disks that the board was unable to detect work fine with MSI boards, I'm still using them. With MSI bords, I've made good experiences. I even used them to build servers at work and they worked flawless over the years. I've had one broken at home after IIRC almost two years (still under warranty), and that was probably my fault when I made a mistake when installing a huge CPU cooler. It didn't show CPU temperatures in the BIOS anymore right after that and sometimes wouldn't start when switched on until more than half a year or so later it finally didn't start at all when switched on. I replaced it with the one I have now, also MSI. It was cheap one and it works great, even making me think that the more expensive boards with more features suffer from their complexity. The mic input of the on-board sound card is dead ever since audacious did something to it --- after warning me, so it's also more my or audacious' fault than one of the board. I don't need justification ... It's only my experience, and when I make good experiences with something from a particular manufacturer, I tend very much to buy from them again. When I make bad experiences with something from a manufacturer, I tend very much /not/ to buy from them again. My recommendations are accordingly. I really don't like hardware trouble. You end up buying twice and wasting a lot of time and money. Of course, YMMV ... Does that make sense to you? :) -- Debian testing amd64 -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/87a9wuvd87@yun.yagibdah.de
Re: Install Debian on a UEFI-motherboard ?
tor, 13 09 2012 kl. 05:02 +0200, skrev lee: Let us know how it turns out in about three years from now :) I wouldn't be suprised if I stil was happily using the ASRock... -- Tom Rausner -- www.tomtech.dk tomt...@tomtech.dk ICQ:276707843 -- Nothing comes all by itself -not even the Universe ! -- -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/1347565152.2236.2.camel@TomTech
Re: Install Debian on a UEFI-motherboard ?
On Tue, 11 Sep 2012 21:13:55 +0200, Tom Rausner wrote: tir, 11 09 2012 kl. 17:52 +, skrev Camaleón: On Tue, 11 Sep 2012 18:51:22 +0200, Tom Rausner wrote: A bad copy does not have to mean a hardware problem. Maybe using a different software to do the copy process could have helped to diagnose the problem. I did try different software -same result. Okay. Did you also tried the copy from/to different media? Neither CDs nor DVDs are good for this kind of tests. No, of course not. That's why boards usually come with more than one sata/ ata/usb/pci/pci-e/pci-x/esata/ethernet ports/slots which can be used for expanding your options or backup purposes ;-) Well... I'm almost out of space here. Besides I think it's time for an upgrade. Old board. Understood. I only wanted to highlight that a single non-operative port does not always have to lead to a motherboard change (and I'm particulary sensible in this regard because the average age of my motherboards are 5/6 years old and replacing these usually involves microprocessor and memory upgrades. I have it in my list of low-end (cheap) manufacturers, along with Biostar and DFI. I prefer MSI, Gigabyte or even Asus. Buy hey, there can be exceptions to the rule and the motherboard model you have in your radar has been awarded with many prizes... Generally I would agree and I was looking at MSI and ASUS to start with. I just happened to clap my eyes on this one by accident -and liked it. No problem. As I mentioned, the motherboard seems to be of the liking of many editors for specialized magazines . Greetings, -- Camaleón -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/k2q3oh$3v1$5...@ger.gmane.org
Re: Install Debian on a UEFI-motherboard ?
On Tue, 11 Sep 2012 20:05:41 -0400, Doug wrote: On 09/11/2012 11:16 AM, Tom Rausner wrote: Hi. tir, 11 09 2012 kl. 16:40 +0200, skrev maderios: Hi I bought uefi motherboard 1 year ago. It works well with squeeze weezy and sid. UEFI changes nothing. Thanks for the help. I'm buying an UEFI-board. Just wanted to be sure I wouldn't get any bad surprises. Why not report back after you have installed an OS on it. Because sometimes feedback is needed (he does not want to spend ~$100 USD and then throwing the motherboard -or returning the item to the shop- because it has some incompatibility with linux). Greetings, -- Camaleón -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/k2q494$3v1$7...@ger.gmane.org
Re: Install Debian on a UEFI-motherboard ?
Hi. tir, 11 09 2012 kl. 20:05 -0400, skrev Doug: Why not report back after you have installed an OS on it. Yeah, why not. The board comes in a pile of stuff I've orderet. It should be here monday so I should get it done some time next week. Tom Rausner - Nothing comes all by itself -not even the universe. - -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/1347467077.2251.3.camel@TomTech
Re: Install Debian on a UEFI-motherboard ?
Tom Rausner t...@rausner.dk writes: Generally I would agree and I was looking at MSI and ASUS to start with. I just happened to clap my eyes on this one by accident -and liked it. Get an MSI board if you can. Asus sucks and Gigabyte is the worst crap you can get. I don't have any experience with Asrock, though. -- Debian testing amd64 -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/87bohcyryj@yun.yagibdah.de
Re: Install Debian on a UEFI-motherboard ?
On 12/09/12 02:01, lee wrote: Tom Rausner t...@rausner.dk writes: Generally I would agree and I was looking at MSI and ASUS to start with. I just happened to clap my eyes on this one by accident -and liked it. Get an MSI board if you can. Asus sucks and Gigabyte is the worst crap you can get. I don't have any experience with Asrock, though. I read your 'installation' post, and thought this guy talks sense, so this comes as a severe let-down. I've never had a problem with ASUS boards. YMMV, but let's see some justification for your rubbishing ASUS and Gigabyte. -- Tony van der Hoff| mailto:t...@vanderhoff.org Buckinghamshire, England | -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/5050c3d0.3070...@vanderhoff.org
Re: Install Debian on a UEFI-motherboard ?
Hi. ons, 12 09 2012 kl. 03:01 +0200, skrev lee: Get an MSI board if you can. Asus sucks and Gigabyte is the worst crap you can get. I don't have any experience with Asrock, though. Well, it ended up with an ASRock. -- Tom Rausner t...@rausner.dk ICQ:276707843 www.tomtech.dk If a person belives he is a monkey, it is called insanity. If a billion persons belive they are monkies, it is called darwinism. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/1347470511.2251.5.camel@TomTech
Re: Install Debian on a UEFI-motherboard ?
Hey Tony... ons, 12 09 2012 kl. 18:18 +0100, skrev Tony van der Hoff: Get an MSI board if you can. Asus sucks and Gigabyte is the worst crap you can get. I don't have any experience with Asrock, though. I didn't write this (just for your information) I read your 'installation' post, and thought this guy talks sense, so this comes as a severe let-down. I've never had a problem with ASUS boards. YMMV, but let's see some justification for your rubbishing ASUS and Gigabyte. -- Tony van der Hoff| mailto:t...@vanderhoff.org Buckinghamshire, England | -- Tom Rausner -- www.tomtech.dk tomt...@tomtech.dk ICQ:276707843 -- Nothing comes all by itself -not even the Universe ! -- -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/1347471244.2251.8.camel@TomTech
Re: Install Debian on a UEFI-motherboard ?
On 12/09/12 18:34, Tom Rausner wrote: Hey Tony... ons, 12 09 2012 kl. 18:18 +0100, skrev Tony van der Hoff: Get an MSI board if you can. Asus sucks and Gigabyte is the worst crap you can get. I don't have any experience with Asrock, though. I didn't write this (just for your information) No, you didn't; neither did I, it was Lee. But you have just snipped all the attributions... -- Tony van der Hoff| mailto:t...@vanderhoff.org Buckinghamshire, England | -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/5050c909.50...@vanderhoff.org
Re: Install Debian on a UEFI-motherboard ?
Hi. ons, 12 09 2012 kl. 18:40 +0100, skrev Tony van der Hoff: No, you didn't; neither did I, it was Lee. But you have just snipped all the attributions... Well.. sorry. -- Tom Rausner t...@rausner.dk ICQ:276707843 www.tomtech.dk If a person belives he is a monkey, it is called insanity. If a billion persons belive they are monkeys, it is called Evolution. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/1347471850.2251.10.camel@TomTech
Re: Install Debian on a UEFI-motherboard ?
--- On Wed, 9/12/12, Tony van der Hoff t...@vanderhoff.org wrote: From: Tony van der Hoff t...@vanderhoff.org Subject: Re: Install Debian on a UEFI-motherboard ? To: debian-user@lists.debian.org Date: Wednesday, September 12, 2012, 12:18 PM I've never had a problem with ASUS boards. YMMV, but let's see some justification for your rubbishing ASUS and Gigabyte. Just some personal experience . . . I once had an Asus board that needed an RMA during its lifetime. It's still working. I also had a Gigabyte board that was DOA but the replacement has worked flawlessly. No hardware is reliable 100% of the time. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/1347475723.54041.yahoomailclas...@web163406.mail.gq1.yahoo.com
Re: Install Debian on a UEFI-motherboard ?
On Wed, 2012-09-12 at 19:21 +0200, Tom Rausner wrote: Well, it ended up with an ASRock. And I switched from ASRock to ASUS ;). It's fortuitousness, we can have bad or good luck. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/1347479921.1250.182.camel@localhost.localdomain
Re: Install Debian on a UEFI-motherboard ?
I had issues with an ASUS board when it was new. Now it's old, several BIOS updates later, it's the perfect Linux machine. I only struggle with an IRQ issue for a new audio card, something that can happen with every mobo. Btw. today I don't care anymore, if there should be new BIOS updates. I nearly forgot, the SATA connectors don't have clips, IIRC no mobo had SATA connectors with clips at that time. Very often Intel is recommended, but Intel is very expensive and if you search the web, you'll find enough issues for Intel mobos too. Buying a new mobo is a gamble. There's no knowledge about good, bad and ugly mobos. There might be some exceptions. It's always good to keep an old mobo as long as possible, better for our planet and better regarding to BIOS updates or what ever today does replace the BIOS. Before vendors fix issues with Linux, they fix issues with Windows, so regarding to updates older mobos tend to be better for Linux. 2 Cents, Ralf -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/1347479793.1250.180.camel@localhost.localdomain
Re: Install Debian on a UEFI-motherboard ?
man, 10 09 2012 kl. 21:02 +0200, skrev tv.deb...@googlemail.com: Hi, UEFI isn't (normally) a problem, it's the hype around the secure boot feature that gives free operating systems users the chills. I know, but I'm not quite sure exactly what kind of problems I might run into using an UEFI-motherboard. Look into the specs, but I guess many manufacturers will keep around a bios mode for sometimes. I think I'll give it a try then. Anyway, as long as Secure Boot isn't enforced or can be deactivated by the user (which should be the norm), UEFI isn't supposed to be a show-stopper by itself. OK. Thanks. -- Tom Rausner t...@rausner.dk ICQ:276707843 www.tomtech.dk If a person belives he is a monkey, it is called insanity. If a billion persons belive they are monkies, it is called darwinism. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/1347372026.2253.4.camel@TomTech
Re: Install Debian on a UEFI-motherboard ?
On Mon, 10 Sep 2012 20:28:34 +0200, Tom Rausner wrote: I have a tower PC with a serious motherboard problem. It is unable to pass data from one place (say the harddisk) to another (say a CDROM), without drowning it in errors. What kind of errors? I think some pathways in the motherboard is broken, so I want to replace it. How did you reach to that conclusion? Maybe is simply a bad cabling or almost-death port :-? BUT most of the motherboards on the market doesn't have an old-style BIOS, they've got the UEFI-thing. So the question is; can I replace my motherboard with one infested with the UEFI-thing and get a Debian install to work on it ? Do you have in mind a specific motherboard model? I don't think UEFI is now the only option available, most of the motherboard manufacturers (MSI, Gigabyte, Asus...) provide a dual boot manager (BIOS/UEFI) for compatibility issues. Greetings, -- Camaleón -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/k2ni6m$3ru$4...@ger.gmane.org
Re: Install Debian on a UEFI-motherboard ?
On 09/10/2012 08:28 PM, Tom Rausner wrote: Hi Folks. I have a tower PC with a serious motherboard problem. It is unable to pass data from one place (say the harddisk) to another (say a CDROM), without drowning it in errors. I think some pathways in the motherboard is broken, so I want to replace it. BUT most of the motherboards on the market doesn't have an old-style BIOS, they've got the UEFI-thing. So the question is; can I replace my motherboard with one infested with the UEFI-thing and get a Debian install to work on it ? Hi I bought uefi motherboard 1 year ago. It works well with squeeze weezy and sid. UEFI changes nothing. Greetings -- Maderios -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/504f4d56.2040...@gmail.com
Re: Install Debian on a UEFI-motherboard ?
Hi. tir, 11 09 2012 kl. 16:40 +0200, skrev maderios: Hi I bought uefi motherboard 1 year ago. It works well with squeeze weezy and sid. UEFI changes nothing. Thanks for the help. I'm buying an UEFI-board. Just wanted to be sure I wouldn't get any bad surprises. -- Tom Rausner t...@rausner.dk ICQ:276707843 www.tomtech.dk If a person belives he is a monkey, it is called insanity. If a billion persons belive they are monkies, it is called darwinism. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/1347376604.2253.7.camel@TomTech
Re: Install Debian on a UEFI-motherboard ?
tir, 11 09 2012 kl. 14:35 +, skrev Camaleón: What kind of errors? Corrupt data How did you reach to that conclusion? Maybe is simply a bad cabling or almost-death port :-? I've made sure all cables was OK. I'm not sure what you mean by the almost-death port-statement, so that must be something I haven't cheked ;-) Do you have in mind a specific motherboard model? Probably ASRock Z77 Extreme4 I don't think UEFI is now the only option available, most of the motherboard manufacturers (MSI, Gigabyte, Asus...) provide a dual boot manager (BIOS/UEFI) for compatibility issues. Yes, but I just wanted to be sure there wasn't any hidden issues. -- Tom Rausner t...@rausner.dk ICQ:276707843 www.tomtech.dk If a person belives he is a monkey, it is called insanity. If a billion persons belive they are monkies, it is called darwinism. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/1347377063.2253.14.camel@TomTech
Re: Install Debian on a UEFI-motherboard ?
On Tue, 11 Sep 2012 17:24:23 +0200, Tom Rausner wrote: tir, 11 09 2012 kl. 14:35 +, skrev Camaleón: What kind of errors? Corrupt data The logs or messages just said corrupt data? :-? Have you considered the optical media could be broken? I say this because the symptoms for a faulty motherboard are usually rather different. How did you reach to that conclusion? Maybe is simply a bad cabling or almost-death port :-? I've made sure all cables was OK. I'm not sure what you mean by the almost-death port-statement, so that must be something I haven't cheked ;-) An sata (or ata) port of the board could gone bad. I once had a problem with and ide disk drive that was giving me weird messages when copying to/from it so I firstly thought the hard disk was broken but as soon as I removed the disk and attached to an external USB case it started working like a charm: it was not the disk but the internal ide port. Do you have in mind a specific motherboard model? Probably ASRock Z77 Extreme4 Asrock? Are you sure? O:-) I don't think UEFI is now the only option available, most of the motherboard manufacturers (MSI, Gigabyte, Asus...) provide a dual boot manager (BIOS/UEFI) for compatibility issues. Yes, but I just wanted to be sure there wasn't any hidden issues. Then consider a motherboard that explicitely supports the old BIOS system. Greetings, -- Camaleón -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/k2nomv$3ru$1...@ger.gmane.org
Re: Install Debian on a UEFI-motherboard ?
tir, 11 09 2012 kl. 16:26 +, skrev Camaleón: The logs or messages just said corrupt data? :-? Have you considered the optical media could be broken? I say this because the symptoms for a faulty motherboard are usually rather different. I just discovered the data to be corrupted. And I tried another drive with the same result. I didn't look at the logs. An sata (or ata) port of the board could gone bad. Wouldn't that be a good argument for a new board ? Asrock? Are you sure? O:-) Your point being... ? -- Tom Rausner t...@rausner.dk ICQ:276707843 www.tomtech.dk If a person belives he is a monkey, it is called insanity. If a billion persons belive they are monkies, it is called darwinism. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/1347382282.2253.23.camel@TomTech
Re: Install Debian on a UEFI-motherboard ?
Am 10.09.2012 20:28, schrieb Tom Rausner: Hi Folks. I have a tower PC with a serious motherboard problem. It is unable to pass data from one place (say the harddisk) to another (say a CDROM), without drowning it in errors. I think some pathways in the motherboard is broken, so I want to replace it. BUT most of the motherboards on the market doesn't have an old-style BIOS, they've got the UEFI-thing. So the question is; can I replace my motherboard with one infested with the UEFI-thing and get a Debian install to work on it ? No problem at all. I can recommend Asus P8H67-V. This is what I have and it works perfectly incl. on-board graphic with a core i7-2600K @ 3.4 GHz Matthias -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/k2nphe$ap6$1...@ger.gmane.org
Re: Install Debian on a UEFI-motherboard ?
On Tue, 11 Sep 2012 18:51:22 +0200, Tom Rausner wrote: tir, 11 09 2012 kl. 16:26 +, skrev Camaleón: The logs or messages just said corrupt data? :-? Have you considered the optical media could be broken? I say this because the symptoms for a faulty motherboard are usually rather different. I just discovered the data to be corrupted. And I tried another drive with the same result. I didn't look at the logs. A bad copy does not have to mean a hardware problem. Maybe using a different software to do the copy process could have helped to diagnose the problem. An sata (or ata) port of the board could gone bad. Wouldn't that be a good argument for a new board ? No, of course not. That's why boards usually come with more than one sata/ ata/usb/pci/pci-e/pci-x/esata/ethernet ports/slots which can be used for expanding your options or backup purposes ;-) Asrock? Are you sure? O:-) Your point being... ? I have it in my list of low-end (cheap) manufacturers, along with Biostar and DFI. I prefer MSI, Gigabyte or even Asus. Buy hey, there can be exceptions to the rule and the motherboard model you have in your radar has been awarded with many prizes... Greetings, -- Camaleón -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/k2ntpg$3ru$1...@ger.gmane.org
Re: Install Debian on a UEFI-motherboard ?
tir, 11 09 2012 kl. 17:52 +, skrev Camaleón: On Tue, 11 Sep 2012 18:51:22 +0200, Tom Rausner wrote: A bad copy does not have to mean a hardware problem. Maybe using a different software to do the copy process could have helped to diagnose the problem. I did try different software -same result. No, of course not. That's why boards usually come with more than one sata/ ata/usb/pci/pci-e/pci-x/esata/ethernet ports/slots which can be used for expanding your options or backup purposes ;-) Well... I'm almost out of space here. Besides I think it's time for an upgrade. Old board. I have it in my list of low-end (cheap) manufacturers, along with Biostar and DFI. I prefer MSI, Gigabyte or even Asus. Buy hey, there can be exceptions to the rule and the motherboard model you have in your radar has been awarded with many prizes... Generally I would agree and I was looking at MSI and ASUS to start with. I just happened to clap my eyes on this one by accident -and liked it. -- Tom Rausner t...@rausner.dk ICQ:276707843 www.tomtech.dk If a person belives he is a monkey, it is called insanity. If a billion persons belive they are monkies, it is called darwinism. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/1347390835.2253.30.camel@TomTech
Re: Install Debian on a UEFI-motherboard ?
On 11/09/2012 21:13, Tom Rausner wrote: tir, 11 09 2012 kl. 17:52 +, skrev Camaleón: On Tue, 11 Sep 2012 18:51:22 +0200, Tom Rausner wrote: [...] I have it in my list of low-end (cheap) manufacturers, along with Biostar and DFI. I prefer MSI, Gigabyte or even Asus. Buy hey, there can be exceptions to the rule and the motherboard model you have in your radar has been awarded with many prizes... Generally I would agree and I was looking at MSI and ASUS to start with. I just happened to clap my eyes on this one by accident -and liked it. I don't have to complain about Asrock, I bought a few matx and atx the past five years for low budget desktops and they delivered. And if there is a problem the warranty works just as for Asus or Gigabyte or any other manufacturer I guess... Asrock often pack the exact same feature set for less money than more renown manufacturers, it's worth a try. After all free software teaches us that the more expensive may very well not be the best choice at all ;-) . -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/504f98f0.70...@googlemail.com
Re: Install Debian on a UEFI-motherboard ?
On 09/11/2012 11:16 AM, Tom Rausner wrote: Hi. tir, 11 09 2012 kl. 16:40 +0200, skrev maderios: Hi I bought uefi motherboard 1 year ago. It works well with squeeze weezy and sid. UEFI changes nothing. Thanks for the help. I'm buying an UEFI-board. Just wanted to be sure I wouldn't get any bad surprises. Why not report back after you have installed an OS on it. --doug -- Blessed are the peacekeepers...for they shall be shot at from both sides. --A.M. Greeley -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/504fd1d5.5010...@optonline.net
Install Debian on a UEFI-motherboard ?
Hi Folks. I have a tower PC with a serious motherboard problem. It is unable to pass data from one place (say the harddisk) to another (say a CDROM), without drowning it in errors. I think some pathways in the motherboard is broken, so I want to replace it. BUT most of the motherboards on the market doesn't have an old-style BIOS, they've got the UEFI-thing. So the question is; can I replace my motherboard with one infested with the UEFI-thing and get a Debian install to work on it ? -- Tom Rausner t...@rausner.dk ICQ:276707843 www.tomtech.dk If a person belives he is a monkey, it is called insanity. If a billion persons belive they are monkies, it is called darwinism. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/1347301714.2247.9.camel@TomTech
Re: Install Debian on a UEFI-motherboard ?
On 10/09/2012 20:28, Tom Rausner wrote: Hi Folks. I have a tower PC with a serious motherboard problem. It is unable to pass data from one place (say the harddisk) to another (say a CDROM), without drowning it in errors. I think some pathways in the motherboard is broken, so I want to replace it. BUT most of the motherboards on the market doesn't have an old-style BIOS, they've got the UEFI-thing. So the question is; can I replace my motherboard with one infested with the UEFI-thing and get a Debian install to work on it ? Hi, UEFI isn't (normally) a problem, it's the hype around the secure boot feature that gives free operating systems users the chills. If your target release is Wheezy (I can't speak for Squeeze) you will most probably be able to install and use Debian on an UEFI motherboard. I bought Asus motherboard this summer (F1A75-V PRO [1] and two other models I don't remember) which came with UEFI, but they also had a bios compatibility mode. Look into the specs, but I guess many manufacturers will keep around a bios mode for sometimes. Anyway, as long as Secure Boot isn't enforced or can be deactivated by the user (which should be the norm), UEFI isn't supposed to be a show-stopper by itself. [1] http://www.asus.com/Motherboards/AMD_Socket_FM1/F1A75V_PRO/ -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/504e3933.2030...@googlemail.com
