File system for linux and windows

[Bhasker C V]

Hi,

This may not be debian-specific question, but with the group expertise, 
I think this would be a good reference for

anybody.

I think this question has been debated a lot but still there is no clear
information on what to do.

The question is, if you want to share data between linux and windows 
what is the best file system to use[plus adding

security complexity].

Using Ext3 on windows is good but has its limitations. This does not work
unless the ext3 file system is on a partition. The limitation comes when
using applications like freeOTFE which can read LUKS volumes. The volume 
is mounted as a drive but not detected as a disk

by any of the written
ext3 drivers in windows.

Using NTFS on linux and windows is cool. I have consistently seen that 
when there are large number of files, undoubtably,
ntfs volume goes corrupt and chkdsk simply removes files and creates 
data loss. I do not have any clue on when the FS goes
corrupt (either when writing using linux or when using in windows - Used 
ntfs (kernel), ntfs-3g ... all in vain).


Anyone can recommend VFAT. FAT32 being supported by XP and well 
supported by linux makes it a good candidate. The problem
with FAT32, I guess (correct me if I am wrong), there is no support for 
case-sensitive file names in the FAT32 file system.


So, the question... what FS to use which is good and reliable in both 
windows and also linux  ?


Is there any file system in linux which can work in windows also 
(meaning it can be read and optionally written-to in

windows even if the
FS is not in a partition) ?


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Re: console resolution

[Chris Jones]

On Sat, Jan 23, 2010 at 01:15:39AM EST, Chris Jones wrote:

[..]

> I the above question the bizarre joke, or was this meant as a reply to a
> different post?

s/I the above/Is the above/


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Re: elinks to be REMOVED from squeeze?

[Freeman]

On Fri, Jan 22, 2010 at 09:32:26PM -0500, Chris Jones wrote:
> On Fri, Jan 22, 2010 at 09:09:40PM EST, Freeman wrote:
> 
> [..]
> 
> > Is there really even a point to filing a bug report against something
> > when the fix is upstream?
> 
> What makes you think the bug is upstream?
> 

Literally speaking, the idea that it

| is only a bug if the package doesn't track correctly

seems well worked out. In stable that would still be less than ideal since
it is a finished product.  However our context seems to be a testing system
and a mixed-stable system.

I hadn't thought much of it and scarfed libtre5 from sid. Will it not
install to lenny?

> I recently installed the 0.13 git version of ELinks to resolve an
> unrelated issue and since lenny does not feature libtre5, the
> ./configure step gave me a warning and I was able to compile ELinks.
> 
> The resulting ELinks version does not have the regex search capability
> on the search dialog, which is not a major problem where I'm concerned
> since in some 4-5 years of daily utilization of ELinks, I have never
> needed it.
> 

Right, libtre5:

| a regexp matching library with approximate matching.


> I don't see why a dependency that would deprive you of an obscure
> optional feature such as this, which by the way is correctly handled by
> the stock ELinks install, would prevent installation of the debian
> package. 
> 

Possibly one reason aptitude will still download a broken package despite
that the force option is gone?

> As to the reason why ELinks of late requires libtre5, I suspect it has
> something to do with Unicode support, which has been vastly improved in
> recent versions. 
> 

Yes. I hope it will not be an elinks issue. I am fond of both elinks and
Unicode.

> I am not going to investigate this, but the output of 'git log' against
> my git clone strongly suggests this.
> 

Very different bug definitions. Mine regards testing, compels me to
ascertain info and maybe file a report.  Your's regards mixed-stable, seems
to involve triangulation and esoteric discussion.  :)

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Re: console resolution

[tv.deb...@googlemail.com]

>Nima Azarbayjany wrote:
> 
>> set gfxpayload=keep will tell Grub2 to hand off the graphics settings
>> to the kernel, which if configured properly will carry them forward.
>> There are some other settings to tweak as well, insmod vbe and whatnot
>> in the appropriate file, but that's about the gist of it. The nice
>> thing is it makes for very smooth transitions when switching from
>> terminal to x, as the display settings (if correctly configured) are
>> already applied, thus, no ugly flashing of the screen and delay.
>>
>> Best,
>> Arthur
> 
> Would you please explain how and where to insert this into Grub's
> configuration?  I played with /etc/default/grub and update-grub but no
> success.
> 
>> Jeffrey Cao wrote in another post that grub2 can support the traditional
>> vga kernel option by means of editing /etc/default/grub and adding the
>> line
>>
>> GRUB_CMDLINE_LINUX="vga=xxx"
>>
>> and then running "update-grub" to update /boot/grub/grub.cfg.  But I
>> haven't tried it myself.  I'm not going to de-install lilo and install
>> grub2 to find out.  But next time I try a Squeeze install from scratch,
>> I might give it a try.  
> I tried this one but it too didn't work.  It says that vga=xxx is
> deprecated.
> 
>> Jeffrey Cao wrote in another post that grub2 can support the traditional
>> vga kernel option by means of editing /etc/default/grub and adding the
>> line
>>
>> GRUB_CMDLINE_LINUX="vga=xxx"
>>
>> and then running "update-grub" to update /boot/grub/grub.cfg.  But I
>> haven't tried it myself.  I'm not going to de-install lilo and install
>> grub2 to find out.  But next time I try a Squeeze install from scratch,
>> I might give it a try.  
> This one did not work as well.
> 
> I guess I'm going to install grub1 for now.
> 
> Nima
> 

Hi, I use a slightly different way, I put:

GRUB_GFXMODE="1440x900 640x480"

in /etc/defaults/grub (native resolution first, fall-back one isn't
necessary, it's the default).

Then in /etc/grub.d/00_header I add gfxpayload=keep to this section
(around line 80):
[...]
if loadfont `make_system_path_relative_to_its_root ${GRUB_FONT_PATH}` ; then
  set gfxmode=${GRUB_GFXMODE}
  set gfxpayload=keep <<<  here it is

  insmod gfxterm
  insmod ${GRUB_VIDEO_BACKEND}

  if terminal_output gfxterm ; then true ; else
[...]
It's working for me on Debian Squeeze and Ubuntu, but needs to be
updated if 00_header is overwritten during update (not often). It's just
a workaround until gfxpayload= is picked up in /etc/default/grub.

My 2 cents.


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Re: Recommended method to install Firefox 3.6 in Lenny (64 bits)

[mess-mate]

Sven Hoexter wrote:


On Fri, Jan 22, 2010 at 09:39:27PM +0100, Sven Joachim wrote:
  

On 2010-01-22 21:02 +0100, Camaleón wrote:


As Mozilla has stopped the support (no more security patches) for Firefox 
releases <3.5 (in August 2010, 3.5 will also be dropped), and Lenny is 
shipped with 3.0.6 (this situation was properly advised on Releases 
Notes), I wonder what could be the best way to install the latest Firefox 
64 bits version.
  

I'm afraid the answer is "build it from source yourself".  There's no
official 64-bit tarball (and most likely there won't be any before
Firefox 4.0), and builds from other distributions will likely require
newer libraries than available in Lenny.



Alexander Reichle-Schmehl added Iceweasel 3.5 and the complementing
xulrunner release to backports.org a few days ago. So far I can see build
packages for amd64 and ppc.
https://buildd.debian.org/status/package.php?p=iceweasel&suite=lenny-backports

If and when backports of Iceweasel 3.6 will be available depends on when
it will enter testing and if it's possible to build it on lenny.

Sven
  


The latest firefox is 3.7.

I'm running firefox 3.6 Beta4 and it runs as a charm (amd64).

http://www.mozilla.com/en-US/firefox/3.6/releasenotes/

mess-mate


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File system for linux and windows

[Bhasker C V]

Hi,

 This may not be debian-specific question, but with the group expertise, I 
think this would be a good reference for anybody.


 I think this question has been debated a lot but still there is no clear
information on what to do.

 The question is, if you want to share data between linux and windows what 
is the best file system to use[plus adding security complexity].


 Using Ext3 on windows is good but has its limitations. This does not work
unless the ext3 file system is on a partition. The limitation comes when
using applications like freeOTFE which can read LUKS volumes. The volume 
is mounted as a drive but not detected as a disk by any of the written

ext3 drivers in windows.

 Using NTFS on linux and windows is cool. I have consistently seen that 
when there are large number of files, undoubtably, ntfs volume goes 
corrupt and chkdsk simply removes files and creates data loss. I do not 
have any clue on when the FS goes corrupt (either when writing using linux 
or when using in windows - Used ntfs (kernel), ntfs-3g ... all in vain).


 Anyone can recommend VFAT. FAT32 being supported by XP and well supported 
by linux makes it a good candidate. The problem with FAT32, I guess 
(correct me if I am wrong), there is no support for case-sensitive file 
names in the FAT32 file system.


 So, the question... what FS to use which is good and reliable in both 
windows and also linux  ?


 Is there any file system in linux which can work in windows also 
(meaning it can be read and optionally written-to in windows even if the

FS is not in a partition) ?


Bhasker C V
Registered linux user #306349



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Re: elinks to be REMOVED from squeeze?

[Chris Jones]

On Sat, Jan 23, 2010 at 03:43:42AM EST, Freeman wrote:
> On Fri, Jan 22, 2010 at 09:32:26PM -0500, Chris Jones wrote:
> > On Fri, Jan 22, 2010 at 09:09:40PM EST, Freeman wrote:
> > 
[..]

> I hadn't thought much of it and scarfed libtre5 from sid. Will it not
> install to lenny?

Probably would, but I'm not that hot on regex's, and besides I had some
real worries with ELinks, so ignored the libtre issue.

> > I recently installed the 0.13 git version of ELinks to resolve an
> > unrelated issue and since lenny does not feature libtre5, the
> > ./configure step gave me a warning and I was able to compile ELinks.
> > 
> > The resulting ELinks version does not have the regex search capability
> > on the search dialog, which is not a major problem where I'm concerned
> > since in some 4-5 years of daily utilization of ELinks, I have never
> > needed it.
> > 
> 
> Right, libtre5:
> 
> | a regexp matching library with approximate matching.

It looks like it is _the_ regex library in GNU/linux at this point, and
that it provides advanceds feature such as approximate matching on top
of the 'regular' :-) stuff.

> > I don't see why a dependency that would deprive you of an obscure
> > optional feature such as this, which by the way is correctly handled by
> > the stock ELinks install, would prevent installation of the debian
> > package. 

> Possibly one reason aptitude will still download a broken package despite
> that the force option is gone?

I am not familiar with aptitude, but I would assume that there are good
reasons libtre5 is not yet part of testing. 

> > As to the reason why ELinks of late requires libtre5, I suspect it has
> > something to do with Unicode support, which has been vastly improved in
> > recent versions. 

> Yes. I hope it will not be an elinks issue. I am fond of both elinks and
> Unicode.

I tend to stick with stable and end up compiling from source the latest
versions of the half dozen applications I use on a daily basis and
running them out of /usr/local.  Probably not a very debian-ish
approach, but then the parts of the system I know nothing about are rock
solid, and as to the stuff I compile myself, I either know enough about
it to fix it, or know where and who to look up in case it breaks.

> > I am not going to investigate this, but the output of 'git log' against
> > my git clone strongly suggests this.
> 
> Very different bug definitions. Mine regards testing, compels me to
> ascertain info and maybe file a report.  Your's regards mixed-stable, seems
> to involve triangulation and esoteric discussion.  :)

:-)

Seriously, the thing is that as explained above, the applications that I
use often enough to run into bugs are not debian-packaged, so the bug
reports would only concern the upstream developers. Leaves stuff like
hardware issues, and minor annoyances that are usually not worth
reporting.

CJ


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Re: Unable to start tightvncserver

[Bhasker C V]

On Sat, 23 Jan 2010, Foss User wrote:


On Sat, Jan 23, 2010 at 3:03 AM, Eric Gerlach
 wrote:

On Fri, Jan 22, 2010 at 12:07:57AM +0530, Foss User wrote:

foss...@squeeze:~$ ps -aef | grep 4847
fossist     4987  3680  0 00:02 pts/3    00:00:00 grep 4847

foss...@squeeze:~$ netstat -na | grep tcp | grep 59
foss...@squeeze:~$


If you run the ps command again at this point, is it still running (btw, pgrep
is helpful for this type of command)?  Have you check the vncserver logs (I
can't recall off the top of my head where they are... maybe ~/.vnc)?  I assume
you have network interfaces up and running.


Yes, I have included the VNC server logs in my original post. If you
see in the logs, it is unable to find some font directories and thus
ignoring those paths. Could it be a reason for the problem?

Here are the logs again for your convenience:

foss...@squeeze:~$ cat .vnc/squeeze\:1.log
22/01/10 00:01:33 Xvnc version TightVNC-1.3.9
22/01/10 00:01:33 Copyright (C) 2000-2007 TightVNC Group
22/01/10 00:01:33 Copyright (C) 1999 AT&T Laboratories Cambridge
22/01/10 00:01:33 All Rights Reserved.
22/01/10 00:01:33 See http://www.tightvnc.com/ for information on TightVNC
22/01/10 00:01:33 Desktop name 'X' (squeeze:1)
22/01/10 00:01:33 Protocol versions supported: 3.3, 3.7, 3.8, 3.7t, 3.8t
22/01/10 00:01:33 Listening for VNC connections on TCP port 5901
Font directory '/usr/X11R6/lib/X11/fonts/misc' not found - ignoring
Font directory '/usr/share/fonts/X11/cyrillic' not found - ignoring
Font directory '/usr/X11R6/lib/X11/fonts/cyrillic' not found - ignoring
Font directory '/usr/X11R6/lib/X11/fonts/100dpi/:unscaled' not found - ignoring
Font directory '/usr/X11R6/lib/X11/fonts/75dpi/:unscaled' not found - ignoring
Font directory '/usr/X11R6/lib/X11/fonts/Type1' not found - ignoring
Font directory '/usr/X11R6/lib/X11/fonts/100dpi' not found - ignoring
Font directory '/usr/X11R6/lib/X11/fonts/75dpi' not found - ignoring

Seeing this, are the font directories installed properly ?
If yes, I could remember that there was an issue with starting vnc on 
fedora which could be fixed by finding the 'fixed' font directory and 
passing the name of that directory as an arguement to the tightvnc server

something like

  [tight]vncserver -fp   :1





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Re: cannot install iceweasel 3.5 from lenny-backports

[Graham]

On Sat, 23 Jan 2010 11:07:41 +0800
Umarzuki Bin Mochlis Moktar  wrote:

> i had enabled lenny-backports but "aptitude -t lenny-backports install
> iceweasel" installs Iceweasel 3.0.6

There isn't an iceweasel package in Backports, so you're stuck with
the one in Lenny... unless you want to backport it yourself from
debian source packages found in Sid or Testing (doable, but not easy for
the novice). Either stick with what you have in Lenny or just get the
Firefox tarball from Mozilla, extract it into your home directory (or
put it in /opt and link to it from /usr/local/bin), then run it from
there. Putting it in your home directory will mean that it'll be easy
for it to auto-update.


Graham


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Re: cannot install iceweasel 3.5 from lenny-backports

[Umarzuki Mochlis]

2010/1/23 Graham 

> On Sat, 23 Jan 2010 11:07:41 +0800
> Umarzuki Bin Mochlis Moktar  wrote:
>
> > i had enabled lenny-backports but "aptitude -t lenny-backports install
> > iceweasel" installs Iceweasel 3.0.6
>
> There isn't an iceweasel package in Backports, so you're stuck with
> the one in Lenny... unless you want to backport it yourself from
> debian source packages found in Sid or Testing (doable, but not easy for
> the novice). Either stick with what you have in Lenny or just get the
> Firefox tarball from Mozilla, extract it into your home directory (or
> put it in /opt and link to it from /usr/local/bin), then run it from
> there. Putting it in your home directory will mean that it'll be easy
> for it to auto-update.
>
>
my mistake, the package is for amd64 and powerpc
http://packages.debian.org/search?suite=lenny-backports&searchon=names&keywords=iceweasel


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Re: File system for linux and windows

[Nick Douma]

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On 23-1-2010 9:13, Bhasker C V wrote:
> Hi,
> 
> This may not be debian-specific question, but with the group expertise,
> I think this would be a good reference for
> anybody.
> 
> I think this question has been debated a lot but still there is no clear
> information on what to do.
> 
> The question is, if you want to share data between linux and windows
> what is the best file system to use[plus adding
> security complexity].

I have two 1TB drives, both with two partitions on them. One drive has
two EXT3 partitions, the other two NTFS.

> 
> Using Ext3 on windows is good but has its limitations. This does not work
> unless the ext3 file system is on a partition. The limitation comes when
> using applications like freeOTFE which can read LUKS volumes. The volume
> is mounted as a drive but not detected as a disk
> by any of the written
> ext3 drivers in windows.

I would expect that the problem does not occur when the encrypted
partition is NTFS.

> 
> Using NTFS on linux and windows is cool. I have consistently seen that
> when there are large number of files, undoubtably,
> ntfs volume goes corrupt and chkdsk simply removes files and creates
> data loss. I do not have any clue on when the FS goes
> corrupt (either when writing using linux or when using in windows - Used
> ntfs (kernel), ntfs-3g ... all in vain).

I have never had a corrupted NTFS partition from using it with ntfs-3g.
I've been using the setup I described above for years now, and the NTFS
partitions are used intensively on both Windows and Linux as download
partitions (usenet, torrents, etc).

> 
> Anyone can recommend VFAT. FAT32 being supported by XP and well
> supported by linux makes it a good candidate. The problem
> with FAT32, I guess (correct me if I am wrong), there is no support for
> case-sensitive file names in the FAT32 file system.

Don't expect NTFS to be case-sensitive either when using it with
Windows. I had two identically named folders, only with a single letter
in a different case. Windows could not distinguish between the two folders.

I would not use FAT32 if you didn't have to. It fragments like mad, and
has no built in journaling to protect from data loss in case of a power
outage.

> 
> So, the question... what FS to use which is good and reliable in both
> windows and also linux  ?

Really depends on what OS you are using the most. Using EXT3 means you
lose the security information when using it with Windows. The same with
NTFS and Linux. Both just ignore the information. If this is not an
issue, then I would suggest using NTFS, because Windows supports it
natively, and ntfs-3g is still being developed, unlike the EXT3 drivers
for Windows.

> 
> Is there any file system in linux which can work in windows also
> (meaning it can be read and optionally written-to in
> windows even if the
> FS is not in a partition) ?
> 

I have no real experience with this, but I have a file-based Truecrypt
partition in NTFS, and use them with both Linux and Windows.

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Re: How Does One force Use of DSA Keys under Linux?

[Jim Barnes]

Martin McCormick wrote:
>   I recently needed to clear out some old entries from the
> .ssh/known_hosts file on a Debian system and discovered that I
> couldn't tell which system key was which because they were all
> type rsa keys instead of the type DSA keys which do contain a
> field with either the host name or its IP address.
> 
> Is there a way in Linux to make ssh get the type DSA host keys?
> I presently see the following message when adding a new host to
> known_hosts:
> 
> Warning: Permanently added 'remote.host.okstate.edu,192.168.8.9' (RSA)
>  to the list of known hosts.
> 
>   When a FreeBSD system connects to a Debian host as an
> example, it automatically knows to add the dsa host key.
> 
>   This is no show stopper by any means, but why is this
> happening? Thanks.
> 

Not dependant on RSA vs DSA, but the value HashKnownHosts in
/etc/ssh/ssh_config

man ssh_config

HashKnownHosts
Indicates that ssh(1) should hash host names and addresses when they are
added to ~/.ssh/known_hosts.  These hashed names may be used normally by
ssh(1) and sshd(8), but they do not reveal identifying information
should the file's contents be disclosed.  The default is ``no''.  Note
that existing names and addresses in known hosts files will not be
converted automatically, but may be manually hashed using ssh-keygen(1).

HTH,
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Re: File system for linux and windows

[Bhasker C V]

Nick Douma wrote:

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On 23-1-2010 9:13, Bhasker C V wrote:
  

Hi,

This may not be debian-specific question, but with the group expertise,
I think this would be a good reference for
anybody.

I think this question has been debated a lot but still there is no clear
information on what to do.

The question is, if you want to share data between linux and windows
what is the best file system to use[plus adding
security complexity].



I have two 1TB drives, both with two partitions on them. One drive has
two EXT3 partitions, the other two NTFS.

  

Using Ext3 on windows is good but has its limitations. This does not work
unless the ext3 file system is on a partition. The limitation comes when
using applications like freeOTFE which can read LUKS volumes. The volume
is mounted as a drive but not detected as a disk
by any of the written
ext3 drivers in windows.



I would expect that the problem does not occur when the encrypted
partition is NTFS.

  

Using NTFS on linux and windows is cool. I have consistently seen that
when there are large number of files, undoubtably,
ntfs volume goes corrupt and chkdsk simply removes files and creates
data loss. I do not have any clue on when the FS goes
corrupt (either when writing using linux or when using in windows - Used
ntfs (kernel), ntfs-3g ... all in vain).



I have never had a corrupted NTFS partition from using it with ntfs-3g.
I've been using the setup I described above for years now, and the NTFS
partitions are used intensively on both Windows and Linux as download
partitions (usenet, torrents, etc).
  
I think this is the near best solution. This is the 3rd time I am trying 
to capture all data (around 10,000 files)
from my linux box into the luks ntfs partition. Everything works fine. 
There is no file corruption. But it all
starts to cruble the moment you use chkdsk. Chkdsk starts deleting lots 
of files and says they are corrupt
and then on the next run it salvages files saying they are orphaned. On 
total, I lose a lot of files.
  

Anyone can recommend VFAT. FAT32 being supported by XP and well
supported by linux makes it a good candidate. The problem
with FAT32, I guess (correct me if I am wrong), there is no support for
case-sensitive file names in the FAT32 file system.



Don't expect NTFS to be case-sensitive either when using it with
Windows. I had two identically named folders, only with a single letter
in a different case. Windows could not distinguish between the two folders.

I would not use FAT32 if you didn't have to. It fragments like mad, and
has no built in journaling to protect from data loss in case of a power
outage.

  

So, the question... what FS to use which is good and reliable in both
windows and also linux  ?



Really depends on what OS you are using the most. Using EXT3 means you
lose the security information when using it with Windows. The same with
NTFS and Linux. Both just ignore the information. If this is not an
issue, then I would suggest using NTFS, because Windows supports it
natively, and ntfs-3g is still being developed, unlike the EXT3 drivers
for Windows.

  

Is there any file system in linux which can work in windows also
(meaning it can be read and optionally written-to in
windows even if the
FS is not in a partition) ?




I have no real experience with this, but I have a file-based Truecrypt
partition in NTFS, and use them with both Linux and Windows.

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Re: cannot install iceweasel 3.5 from lenny-backports

[Graham]

On Sat, 23 Jan 2010 20:13:26 +0800
Umarzuki Mochlis  wrote:

> my mistake, the package is for amd64 and powerpc
> http://packages.debian.org/search?suite=lenny-backports&searchon=names&keywords=iceweasel

No, it's my mistake. I didn't properly check with the Debian packages
page (hadn't sipped my morning coffee ;) ), so thought that there was no
Iceweasel 3.5.6 package for any architecture.

Still, if you need the latest, you could always get the tarball from
Mozilla.


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Re: Strange work of eth0.

[Sthu Deus]

Thank You for Your time and answer, Todd:

>This generally happens when ifupdown wasn't called to enable the
>interface.

If not through

# /sbin/ifup eth0

then how?


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Re: How to configure Mutt to ask before downloading attachments

[Camaleón]

On Wed, 20 Jan 2010 15:18:32 -0500, Chris Jones wrote:

> On Wed, Jan 20, 2010 at 12:22:45PM EST, Camaleón wrote:

>> > This bug is ancient but sounds like what you are reporting:
>> > 
>> > http://dev.mutt.org/trac/ticket/663

(...)
 
>> I also posted the question to "mutt-users" mailing list but still no
>> reply.
> 
> Or mutt-dev.. asking for a status.. :-)

And so I did a day ago.

Still no response neither from "mutt-user" nor "mutt-dev" :-(

> I'm not familiar with their bug tracking system, but I'm surprised this
> hasn't been take care of some way or other.
> 
> Sounds like a legitimate request in the context of IMAP.

Yes, so I think.

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Re: Recommended method to install Firefox 3.6 in Lenny (64 bits)

[Camaleón]

On Fri, 22 Jan 2010 16:50:57 -0600, Boyd Stephen Smith Jr. wrote:

> On Friday 22 January 2010 16:28:37 Camaleón wrote:

>> So, do you think the package will be available in backports for stable
>> release (Lenny) or just indicates the package is being tested for
>> another branch (unstable/testing)? :-?

(...)
 
> As far as iceweasel availability in backports goes, see Sven Hoexter's
> message.

Okay, thanks for your detailed response, I really appreciate it :-)

I think I'll wait a bit to see if it gets available under "backports" and 
try to update from there. 

I just have arrived to Debian (switched from openSUSE) and I'm still not 
so skilled with the requirements for package compilation in this 
distribution.

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Re: File system for linux and windows

[Rob Owens]

On Fri, Jan 22, 2010 at 10:28:26PM +, Bhasker C V wrote:
> Hi,
>
>  This may not be debian-specific question, but with the group expertise, 
> I think this would be a good reference for anybody.
>
>  I think this question has been debated a lot but still there is no clear
> information on what to do.
>
>  The question is, if you want to share data between linux and windows 
> what is the best file system to use[plus adding security complexity].
>
>  Using Ext3 on windows is good but has its limitations. This does not work
> unless the ext3 file system is on a partition. The limitation comes when
> using applications like freeOTFE which can read LUKS volumes. The volume  
> is mounted as a drive but not detected as a disk by any of the written
> ext3 drivers in windows.
>
>  Using NTFS on linux and windows is cool. I have consistently seen that  
> when there are large number of files, undoubtably, ntfs volume goes  
> corrupt and chkdsk simply removes files and creates data loss. I do not  
> have any clue on when the FS goes corrupt (either when writing using 
> linux or when using in windows - Used ntfs (kernel), ntfs-3g ... all in 
> vain).
>
>  Anyone can recommend VFAT. FAT32 being supported by XP and well 
> supported by linux makes it a good candidate. The problem with FAT32, I 
> guess (correct me if I am wrong), there is no support for case-sensitive 
> file names in the FAT32 file system.
>
>  So, the question... what FS to use which is good and reliable in both  
> windows and also linux  ?
>
>  Is there any file system in linux which can work in windows also  
> (meaning it can be read and optionally written-to in windows even if the
> FS is not in a partition) ?
>
I don't know of any others.  But if you have a network you can certainly
have a network drive that is writable by both Linux and Windows.  (using
Samba).

But I expect you're probably in a dual-boot situation where you're
trying to share files on a single computer between the 2 OS's.  For that
I've always used FAT32, and it seems to work well.  I don't like using
it, especially after MS sued Tom Tom over their use of FAT32.  Not that
I'm worried about getting sued, but I'd like to shun MS technology in
protest.

-Rob

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Re: console resolution

[Stephen Powell]

On 2010-01-22 at 18:11:38 -0500, Chris Jones wrote:
> PIII 650MHz - 386M of RAM - ATI Rage Mobility (Mach64).

That is *lightning fast* compared to my slowest machine,
a PII 266 MHz with a very slow hard drive.  And the saddest
thing is, until about three years ago, it was my fastest machine!

The bottom line is this: with a true text-mode virtual console,
the conversion of characters to pixels on the screen is done in
the video hardware itself.  The main CPU doesn't have to do it.
That's what the video card's text mode is designed to do, and it
does it very well.  In graphics mode the conversion from characters
to pixels is done by the main CPU chip.  My philosophy is to let
the video hardware do what it was designed to do and free the
main CPU chip for other uses.  There are times when graphics mode
is needed, of course.  But editing text or perusing text isn't
one of them.

To each his own.

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Re: How to configure Mutt to ask before downloading attachments

[S. Fishpaste]

On Sat, 23 Jan 2010 14:30:04 + (UTC), Camaleón in gmane.linux.debian.user 
wrote:
> On Wed, 20 Jan 2010 15:18:32 -0500, Chris Jones wrote:
>
>> On Wed, Jan 20, 2010 at 12:22:45PM EST, Camaleón wrote:
>
>>> > This bug is ancient but sounds like what you are reporting:
>>> > 
>>> > http://dev.mutt.org/trac/ticket/663
>
> (...)
>  
>>> I also posted the question to "mutt-users" mailing list but still no
>>> reply.
>> 
>> Or mutt-dev.. asking for a status.. :-)
>
> And so I did a day ago.
>
> Still no response neither from "mutt-user" nor "mutt-dev" :-(

Try comp.mail.mutt (I beleive that's the right address, search for
mutt if it isn't). The newsgroup has been active.



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Octave compiled with debug symbols?

[George]

I installed the lenny Octave package and this is what I get:

octave:1> octave_config_info ("CXXFLAGS")
ans = -O2 -g

Does this mean that Octave was built with debug symbols? If so, why?


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Re: Re: console resolution

[Nima Azarbayjany]

It's weird but it's not working for me.  Somehow update-grub (as well as 
update-grub2, in case they are different) ignore all modifications to 
/etc/default/grub.  I'm giving up.  Should I report a bug?



Hi, I use a slightly different way, I put:

GRUB_GFXMODE="1440x900 640x480"

in /etc/defaults/grub (native resolution first, fall-back one isn't
necessary, it's the default).

Then in /etc/grub.d/00_header I add gfxpayload=keep to this section
(around line 80):
[...]
if loadfont `make_system_path_relative_to_its_root ${GRUB_FONT_PATH}` ; then
  set gfxmode=${GRUB_GFXMODE}
  set gfxpayload=keep <<<  here it is

  insmod gfxterm
  insmod ${GRUB_VIDEO_BACKEND}

  if terminal_output gfxterm ; then true ; else
[...]
It's working for me on Debian Squeeze and Ubuntu, but needs to be
updated if 00_header is overwritten during update (not often). It's just
a workaround until gfxpayload= is picked up in /etc/default/grub.

My 2 cents.
  



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Re: File system for linux and windows

[Camaleón]

On Fri, 22 Jan 2010 22:28:26 +, Bhasker C V wrote:

(...)

>   So, the question... what FS to use which is good and reliable in both
> windows and also linux  ?
> 
>   Is there any file system in linux which can work in windows also
> (meaning it can be read and optionally written-to in windows even if the
> FS is not in a partition) ?

I wonder if nowadays UDF could be used to deal with this problematic :-?

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Debian per Packard Bell

[Gbriele Tortella]

Salve ho acquistato da qualche mese un computer Packard Bell modello
DOTS.IT/010  S/N: LUB900B03193045F0D1601 (se va sul sito ed inserisceil
serial number le escono tutte le specifiche) ho bisogno di formattarlo e
volevo installarci una versione di Linux volevo sapere quale versione posso
istallare sul mio PC? La versione Debian andrebbe bene? Esiste qualche
software sostitutivo per MSN? I software Packard Bell che vadano bene con
Linux e dove li trovo? Grazie della cortese attenzione.

dormant package maintainer

[T o n g]

Hi,

What's the recommended way to deal with dormant package maintainer?

The following bug has been reported for over 2 years, which is "an 
extremely easy fix". Patch is also available.
http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=431297

However, the problem still remains:

$ mp3rename -v -p f1.mp3 
mp3rename: invalid option -- 'p'
Mp3rename

please comment. 
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Re: ddrescue-like tool at filesystem level

[T o n g]

On Wed, 20 Jan 2010 18:14:08 +0100, ludovico van wrote:

>>> so, is there a tool like ddrescue, which ignores errors (and maybe
>>> retries to read the bad blocks), but working at the filesystem level,
>>> so i can copy only selected files?
>>
>> I think the problem is next step -- if such program does exist, and you
>> salvaged several hundred/thousand files, but about half are broken.
>> What would you do next?
> 
> well, i start enjoying the good half of my files... ;-)

Ok, then check out dar_cp from the dar package.

   dar_cp is similar to the standard 'cp' command, except it
   does not stop copying when an I/O error is met. Instead,
   it skips a bit further and continues to copy the rest of
   the file, as much as possible.

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x.509 gpgsm and kmail

[Curt Howland]

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Hi, Debian Users.

A friend of mine asked if I could send him encrypted mail using X.509, 
rather than OpenPGP which I normally use.

Apparently, gpgsm is used for X.509, and shows up in kmail so I figure 
the capabilities are there.

Google is useful, but all I found were problems. gpgsm-gencert.sh is 
supposedly the method to use to make a key, but the documentation is 
so sparse as to make it impossible for someone that doesn't already 
know how to use it. The documentation on GnuPG.org is merely the man 
pages.

Would someone have a pointer to a real example for generating a key, 
or at least decent instructions?

Curt-

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Re: x.509 gpgsm and kmail

[Curt Howland]

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On Saturday 23 January 2010, Curt Howland was heard to say:
> Hi, Debian Users.
>
> A friend of mine asked if I could send him encrypted mail using
> X.509, rather than OpenPGP which I normally use.

Ok, to continue the discussion, it turns out that (DN) 
means "Distinguished Names" the _best_ description of "Distinguished 
Names" that I found was Microsoft's:

http://msdn.microsoft.com/en-us/library/aa366101(VS.85).aspx

And once I'd put in "CN=Curt Howland" the keygen process worked. One 
of the problems is that the --list-keys display doesn't use the 
term "Name (DN)" anywhere, so there's no way to know what field is 
being referred to in the keygen question.

Next step is importing and using the key, but what a mess. The 
original PGP was easier to use than this, maybe because it wasn't 
written by people who already know what they're doing.

Second System Syndrome.

Curt-

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Re: Re: console resolution

[Tom H]

> It's weird but it's not working for me.  Somehow update-grub (as well as
> update-grub2, in case they are different) ignore all modifications to
> /etc/default/grub.  I'm giving up.  Should I report a bug?

Are you making all the changes that have been suggested?

In  short:

In
/etc/default/grub
add
GRUB_GFXPAYLOAD=keep
on the line after
GRUB_GFXMODE=

In
/etc/grub.d/00_header
add
if [ "x${GRUB_GFXPAYLOAD}" = "x" ] ; then GRUB_GFXPAYLOAD=640x480 ; fi
on the line after
if [ "x${GRUB_GFXMODE}" = "x" ] ; then GRUB_GFXMODE=640x480 ; fi

In
/etc/grub.d/00_header
add
set gfxpayload=${GRUB_GFXPAYLOAD}
on the line after
set gfxmode=${GRUB_GFXMODE}

Run
update-grub
or
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Re: Octave compiled with debug symbols?

[Sven Joachim]

On 2010-01-23 18:08 +0100, George wrote:

> I installed the lenny Octave package and this is what I get:
>
> octave:1> octave_config_info ("CXXFLAGS")
> ans = -O2 -g
>
> Does this mean that Octave was built with debug symbols?

Yes.

> If so, why?

Because it makes debugging octave bugs possible?  Note that the debug
symbols are stripped from the installed binaries and moved to a separate
octavex.y-dbg package.

See also the Debian Policy manual:

http://www.debian.org/doc/debian-policy/ch-files.html#s10.1

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Re: File system for linux and windows

[Bhasker C V]

Camaleón wrote:

On Fri, 22 Jan 2010 22:28:26 +, Bhasker C V wrote:

(...)

  

  So, the question... what FS to use which is good and reliable in both
windows and also linux  ?

  Is there any file system in linux which can work in windows also
(meaning it can be read and optionally written-to in windows even if the
FS is not in a partition) ?



I wonder if nowadays UDF could be used to deal with this problematic :-?
  
Tried it. UDF from udftools(1.0.0b2 ) on etch creates an UDF which is 
not working with windows.
I am then left only with an option to use the backup only with linux. 
For data in windows, ntfs partitions
can be mounted in linux and then copied over to the backup disk. The 
external disk can _only_ be used in

linux and not in windows.

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ext3 mkfs issues with a fresh file system ?

[Bhasker C V]

Hi all,

This is strange.
I created a file system on top of luks and does not have any data yet.
The very first fsck gives an error in the freshly created file system !


$ sudo mke2fs -j /dev/mapper/cryptvol
mke2fs 1.41.2 (02-Oct-2008)
Filesystem label=
OS type: Linux
Block size=4096 (log=2)
Fragment size=4096 (log=2)
19537920 inodes, 78142677 blocks
3907133 blocks (5.00%) reserved for the super user
First data block=0
Maximum filesystem blocks=0
2385 block groups
32768 blocks per group, 32768 fragments per group
8192 inodes per group
Superblock backups stored on blocks:
   32768, 98304, 163840, 229376, 294912, 819200, 884736, 1605632, 2654208,
   4096000, 7962624, 11239424, 2048, 23887872, 71663616

Writing inode tables: done   
Creating journal (32768 blocks): done

Writing superblocks and filesystem accounting information: done

This filesystem will be automatically checked every 25 mounts or
180 days, whichever comes first.  Use tune2fs -c or -i to override.
$ sudo e2fsck -f -C0 /dev/mapper/cryptvol
e2fsck 1.41.2 (02-Oct-2008)
Superblock has an invalid ext3 journal (inode 8).
Clear?


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Re: ext3 mkfs issues with a fresh file system ?

[Bhasker C V]

Bhasker C V wrote:

Hi all,

This is strange.
I created a file system on top of luks and does not have any data yet.
The very first fsck gives an error in the freshly created file system !


$ sudo mke2fs -j /dev/mapper/cryptvol
mke2fs 1.41.2 (02-Oct-2008)
Filesystem label=
OS type: Linux
Block size=4096 (log=2)
Fragment size=4096 (log=2)
19537920 inodes, 78142677 blocks
3907133 blocks (5.00%) reserved for the super user
First data block=0
Maximum filesystem blocks=0
2385 block groups
32768 blocks per group, 32768 fragments per group
8192 inodes per group
Superblock backups stored on blocks:
   32768, 98304, 163840, 229376, 294912, 819200, 884736, 1605632, 
2654208,

   4096000, 7962624, 11239424, 2048, 23887872, 71663616

Writing inode tables: done   Creating journal 
(32768 blocks): done

Writing superblocks and filesystem accounting information: done

This filesystem will be automatically checked every 25 mounts or
180 days, whichever comes first.  Use tune2fs -c or -i to override.
$ sudo e2fsck -f -C0 /dev/mapper/cryptvol
e2fsck 1.41.2 (02-Oct-2008)
Superblock has an invalid ext3 journal (inode 8).
Clear?



on etch .
K 2.6.32
ext3:mke2fs 1.41.2 (02-Oct-2008)

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Compilation error

[Mike Viau]

Hi there,

I seem to have run into what I hope to be a common compliation error that I 
unfortunatly can not get past. The problem is with very basic C libraries. In 
the xen project Im compiling there is a crc32.c source file where zutil.h is 
included (this seems to link up). Then inside zutil.h file, the standard c 
libraries stdlib.h and string.h are inlcuded but these files can not be found. 

Error output can be seen below.

I am running Debian Lenny x86_64 and have installed many pacakges in an attempt 
to satifiy the many dependancies for the xen-3.4.2 tar.gz which include. Also 
if anyone happens to have a more barebone debain dependancy list that works to 
compile all features of the latest version of xen, please let me know :)



Dependancies installed:

build-essential make gcc gcc-multilib libc6-dev libc6 module-init-tools bzip2 
dpkg-dev apt-src apt-build sudo fakeroot auto-apt devscripts dh-make 
module-assistant rubygems zlib1g-dbg zlib1g-dev python python-dev 
python-twisted python-xml python-pyopenssl python-pam libncurses-dev 
libncurses5-dbg libncursesw5-dev libncursesw5-dbg openssl openssl-blacklist 
openssl-blacklist-extra libcurl4-openssl-dev libcurl3-dbg manpages-dev 
glibc-doc bridge-utils iproute iproute-dev libvncserver-dev libsdl-dev 
libjpeg62-dev x11-common libx11-dev xserver-xorg-dev bcc bin86 gawk transfig 
tgif texinfo pciutils-dev pciutils mercurial newlib-source



Error output:

In file included from crc32.c:29:
zutil.h:23:22: error: string.h: No such file or directory
In file included from zutil.h:24,
 from crc32.c:29:
/root/xen_source/xen-3.4.2/stubdom/../extras/mini-os/include/posix/stdlib.h:4:25:
 error: stdlib.h: No such file or directory
make[2]: *** [crc32.o] Error 1
make[2]: Leaving directory `/root/xen_source/xen-3.4.2/stubdom/zlib-x86_64'
make[1]: *** [cross-root-x86_64/x86_64-xen-elf/lib/libz.a] Error 2
make[1]: Leaving directory `/root/xen_source/xen-3.4.2/stubdom'
make: *** [install-stubdom] Error 2
r...@localhost:/root/xen_source/xen-3.4.2# zutil.h:23:22: error: string.h: No 
such file or directory
bash: zutil.h:23:22:: command not found
 


Thank You.

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Re: File system for linux and windows

[Alex Samad]

On Sat, Jan 23, 2010 at 01:30:59PM +, Bhasker C V wrote:
> Nick Douma wrote:

[snip]

> >>Using NTFS on linux and windows is cool. I have consistently seen that
> >>when there are large number of files, undoubtably,
> >>ntfs volume goes corrupt and chkdsk simply removes files and creates
> >>data loss. I do not have any clue on when the FS goes
> >>corrupt (either when writing using linux or when using in windows - Used
> >>ntfs (kernel), ntfs-3g ... all in vain).
> >
> >I have never had a corrupted NTFS partition from using it with ntfs-3g.
> >I've been using the setup I described above for years now, and the NTFS
> >partitions are used intensively on both Windows and Linux as download
> >partitions (usenet, torrents, etc).
> I think this is the near best solution. This is the 3rd time I am
> trying to capture all data (around 10,000 files)
> from my linux box into the luks ntfs partition. Everything works
> fine. There is no file corruption. But it all
> starts to cruble the moment you use chkdsk. Chkdsk starts deleting
> lots of files and says they are corrupt
> and then on the next run it salvages files saying they are orphaned.

I have used ntfs (the ntfs-3g package, not the kernel ntfs drivers -
there is a difference), and I have never had any problems - that weren't
media related - faulty sector

are you sure your use the fuse package, and doing a proper umount ?

[snip]

> On total, I lose a lot of files.


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Re: x.509 gpgsm and kmail

[Alex Samad]

On Sat, Jan 23, 2010 at 01:35:23PM -0500, Curt Howland wrote:
> -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE-
> Hash: SHA1
> 
> On Saturday 23 January 2010, Curt Howland was heard to say:
> > Hi, Debian Users.
> >
> > A friend of mine asked if I could send him encrypted mail using
> > X.509, rather than OpenPGP which I normally use.

have a look at cacert.org, create a cert there, I believe there is a
form to fill in.

I haven't heard about gsgsm, but do a look up on smime, I believe mutt
can handle gpg + smime.

smine uses x509 certs

> 
> Ok, to continue the discussion, it turns out that (DN) 
> means "Distinguished Names" the _best_ description of "Distinguished 
> Names" that I found was Microsoft's:
> 
> http://msdn.microsoft.com/en-us/library/aa366101(VS.85).aspx
> 
> And once I'd put in "CN=Curt Howland" the keygen process worked. One 
> of the problems is that the --list-keys display doesn't use the 
> term "Name (DN)" anywhere, so there's no way to know what field is 
> being referred to in the keygen question.
> 
> Next step is importing and using the key, but what a mess. The 
> original PGP was easier to use than this, maybe because it wasn't 
> written by people who already know what they're doing.
> 
> Second System Syndrome.
> 
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expanding a luks volume

[Alex Samad]

Hi

subject says it all I have a lv, which i have used luks to encrypt and
now I would like to extend it.

I am guessing the process is going to involve coping the files over to
another partition and then back again ?

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occorrenze stringa

[roberto]

ciao a tutti
c'e' qualche utility che permette di contare quante volte una parola
si ripete in un file di testo ?

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string occurrences

[roberto]

hello
is there any linux built-in utilities to count how many times a string
occur in a text file ?

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Re: [SOT] Preview pane settings Icedove/ Thunderbird

[Dotan Cohen]

On 22 January 2010 21:42, Eric Gerlach  wrote:
> On Tue, Jan 12, 2010 at 04:23:10PM -0500, Tim Tebbit wrote:
>> AG wrote:
>> >
>> > In Icedove (Thunderbird) v2.0.0.22 on Debian testing is there an option
>> > to automatically jump to the bottom of an email using the preview pane
>> > to read it?   Anybody been able to make that happen, and if so how?
>>
>> Not that I am aware of.  is more than fast enough for me. Between
>> , , and  I have nearly mouse free operation.
>
> If you really want to go keyboard-only there's Muttator
> (http://vimperator.org/muttator).  I've never used it (happily using mutt
> itself), but I loves my vimperator.
>

++Vimperator, using it now, and I am not even a real VIM user!

Muttator is not quite ready yet, from what I understand.


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Re: ext3 mkfs issues with a fresh file system ?

[Bhasker C V]

Bhasker C V wrote:

Bhasker C V wrote:

Hi all,

This is strange.
I created a file system on top of luks and does not have any data yet.
The very first fsck gives an error in the freshly created file system !


$ sudo mke2fs -j /dev/mapper/cryptvol
mke2fs 1.41.2 (02-Oct-2008)
Filesystem label=
OS type: Linux
Block size=4096 (log=2)
Fragment size=4096 (log=2)
19537920 inodes, 78142677 blocks
3907133 blocks (5.00%) reserved for the super user
First data block=0
Maximum filesystem blocks=0
2385 block groups
32768 blocks per group, 32768 fragments per group
8192 inodes per group
Superblock backups stored on blocks:
   32768, 98304, 163840, 229376, 294912, 819200, 884736, 1605632, 
2654208,

   4096000, 7962624, 11239424, 2048, 23887872, 71663616

Writing inode tables: done   Creating journal 
(32768 blocks): done

Writing superblocks and filesystem accounting information: done

This filesystem will be automatically checked every 25 mounts or
180 days, whichever comes first.  Use tune2fs -c or -i to override.
$ sudo e2fsck -f -C0 /dev/mapper/cryptvol
e2fsck 1.41.2 (02-Oct-2008)
Superblock has an invalid ext3 journal (inode 8).
Clear?



on etch .
K 2.6.32
ext3:mke2fs 1.41.2 (02-Oct-2008)


hardware issue ... please ignore...

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Re: string occurrences

[Brian Ryans]

Quoting roberto on 2010-01-23 15:33:53:
> is there any linux built-in utilities to count how many times a string
> occur in a text file ?

I don't know of any actual utilities to do so, but there's a handy
little pipeline that I use as a generic string-counter that, so far,
works for all files I've tried, printable or not.

$ strings $yourFile | grep -oe '$yourString' | wc -l

where $your{File,String} are the file you want to search, and the string
(actually a regex) you want to search for, respectively.

These are extremely powerful commands, and from my experience are all
fairly universal. For more information, see their relevant manpages:
strings(1), grep(1), and wc(1).

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Re: File system for linux and windows

[Bhasker C V]

Alex Samad wrote:

On Sat, Jan 23, 2010 at 01:30:59PM +, Bhasker C V wrote:
  

Nick Douma wrote:



[snip]

  

Using NTFS on linux and windows is cool. I have consistently seen that
when there are large number of files, undoubtably,
ntfs volume goes corrupt and chkdsk simply removes files and creates
data loss. I do not have any clue on when the FS goes
corrupt (either when writing using linux or when using in windows - Used
ntfs (kernel), ntfs-3g ... all in vain).


I have never had a corrupted NTFS partition from using it with ntfs-3g.
I've been using the setup I described above for years now, and the NTFS
partitions are used intensively on both Windows and Linux as download
partitions (usenet, torrents, etc).
  

I think this is the near best solution. This is the 3rd time I am
trying to capture all data (around 10,000 files)
from my linux box into the luks ntfs partition. Everything works
fine. There is no file corruption. But it all
starts to cruble the moment you use chkdsk. Chkdsk starts deleting
lots of files and says they are corrupt
and then on the next run it salvages files saying they are orphaned.



I have used ntfs (the ntfs-3g package, not the kernel ntfs drivers -
there is a difference), and I have never had any problems - that weren't
media related - faulty sector

are you sure your use the fuse package, and doing a proper umount ?
  
I think I need to run a complete block scan on the disk to check for bad 
sectors. This could also be a

problem with the disk.

[snip]

  

On total, I lose a lot of files.




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Re: File system for linux and windows

[Joe]

Bhasker C V wrote:

Camaleón wrote:

On Fri, 22 Jan 2010 22:28:26 +, Bhasker C V wrote:

(...)

 

  So, the question... what FS to use which is good and reliable in both
windows and also linux  ?

  Is there any file system in linux which can work in windows also
(meaning it can be read and optionally written-to in windows even if the
FS is not in a partition) ?



I wonder if nowadays UDF could be used to deal with this problematic :-?
  
Tried it. UDF from udftools(1.0.0b2 ) on etch creates an UDF which is 
not working with windows.
I am then left only with an option to use the backup only with linux. 
For data in windows, ntfs partitions
can be mounted in linux and then copied over to the backup disk. The 
external disk can _only_ be used in

linux and not in windows.


There are many UDF versions, and if Windows is not natively able to read 
one, it is possible that Adaptec's InCD or Roxio's DirectCD may be able 
to. They supported UDF on Windows long before Microsoft did. I was 
writing UDF to CD-Rs on Windows 98 with DirectCD.


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Re: Security Support for Debian 4.0 to be terminated

[green]

Bret Busby wrote at 2010-01-23 00:03 -0600:
> On Thu, 21 Jan 2010, Alexander Reichle-Schmehl wrote:
> > 1: http://www.debian.org/releases/lenny/releasenotes
> 
> In trying to follow the [...] instructions for
> the [...] upgrade, [...]
> I am [...] prevented from performing
> the required upgrade from Debian 4 to Debian 5.

Ah, that's better.  All that complaining is rather annoying.


> In following the instructions, and, tring to install the 486 version
> of the kernel, I get a screen that states:
> 
> "Configuring linux-image-2.6.18-6-486

[...]

>   As a reminder, in order to configure LILO, you need to add an
> 'initrd=/initrd.img' to the image=/vmlinuz stanza of
>   your /etc/lilo.conf
> 
>   I repeat, You need to configure your boot loader -- please read
> your bootloader documentation for details on how to
>   add initrd images.
> 
>   If you have already done so, and you wish to get rid of this
> message, please put
>"do_initrd = Yes"
> 
>   in /etc/kernel-img.conf. Note that this is optional, but if you do
> not, you will continue to see this message whenever
>   you install a kernel image using initrd.
> 
>Do you want to abort now?"

Did you abort?


Do you use LILO?

If so, have you tried editing the lilo.conf file as suggested?

>   As a reminder, in order to configure LILO, you need to add an
> 'initrd=/initrd.img' to the image=/vmlinuz stanza of
>   your /etc/lilo.conf

And then you could edit the kernel-img.conf file as suggested.

>   If you have already done so, and you wish to get rid of this
> message, please put
>"do_initrd = Yes"
> 
>   in /etc/kernel-img.conf.


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RE: [Xen-users] Compilation error

[Mike Viau]

/usr/include/string.h and

/usr/include/stdlib.h 

are present.

I also noticed these C libraries are present in the stubdom directory which is 
where the error is occuring (make: *** [install-stubdom] Error 2)


r...@localhost:/root/xen_source/xen_root# find / -name 'string.h' | grep stubdom
/root/xen_source/xen-3.4.2/stubdom/newlib-1.16.0/newlib/libc/include/sys/string.h
/root/xen_source/xen-3.4.2/stubdom/newlib-1.16.0/newlib/libc/include/string.h
/root/xen_source/xen-3.4.2/stubdom/newlib-1.16.0/newlib/libc/sys/linux/sys/string.h

r...@localhost:/root/xen_source/xen_root# find / -name 'stdlib.h' | grep stubdom
/root/xen_source/xen-3.4.2/stubdom/newlib-1.16.0/newlib/libc/include/stdlib.h
/root/xen_source/xen-3.4.2/stubdom/newlib-1.16.0/newlib/libc/include/machine/stdlib.h
/root/xen_source/xen-3.4.2/stubdom/newlib-1.16.0/newlib/libc/machine/powerpc/machine/stdlib.h


Please advise further, thanks.

 

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Date: Sat, 23 Jan 2010 22:07:36 +0100
From: michael.schm...@xncore.com
To: xen-us...@lists.xensource.com
Subject: Re: [Xen-users] Compilation error
CC: mike.v...@sheridanc.on.ca






  
  






In file included from crc32.c:29:

zutil.h:23:22: error: string.h: No such file or directory

In file included from zutil.h:24,

 from crc32.c:29:

/root/xen_source/xen-3.4.2/stubdom/../extras/mini-os/include/posix/stdlib.h:4:25:
error: stdlib.h: No such file or directory

make[2]: *** [crc32.o] Error 1

make[2]: Leaving directory
`/root/xen_source/xen-3.4.2/stubdom/zlib-x86_64'

make[1]: *** [cross-root-x86_64/x86_64-xen-elf/lib/libz.a] Error 2

make[1]: Leaving directory `/root/xen_source/xen-3.4.2/stubdom'

make: *** [install-stubdom] Error 2

r...@localhost:/root/xen_source/xen-3.4.2# zutil.h:23:22: error:
string.h: No such file or directory

bash: zutil.h:23:22:: command not found




If

/usr/include/string.h does not exists, you have
to re-install libc6-dev



Hi there,

I seem to have run into what I hope to be a common
compliation error that I unfortunatly can not get past. The problem is
with very basic C libraries. In the xen project Im compiling there is a
crc32.c source file where zutil.h is included (this seems to link up).
Then inside zutil.h file, the standard c libraries stdlib.h and string.h are 
inlcuded but these files can not be found. 

Error output can be seen below.

I
am running Debian Lenny x86_64 and have installed many pacakges in an
attempt to satifiy the many dependancies for the xen-3.4.2 tar.gz which
include. Also if anyone happens to have a more barebone debain
dependancy list that works to compile all features of the latest
version of xen, please let me know :)



Dependancies installed:

build-essential make gcc gcc-multilib libc6-dev libc6
module-init-tools bzip2 dpkg-dev apt-src apt-build sudo fakeroot
auto-apt devscripts dh-make module-assistant rubygems zlib1g-dbg
zlib1g-dev python python-dev python-twisted python-xml python-pyopenssl
python-pam libncurses-dev libncurses5-dbg libncursesw5-dev
libncursesw5-dbg openssl openssl-blacklist openssl-blacklist-extra
libcurl4-openssl-dev libcurl3-dbg manpages-dev glibc-doc bridge-utils
iproute iproute-dev libvncserver-dev libsdl-dev libjpeg62-dev
x11-common libx11-dev xserver-xorg-dev bcc bin86 gawk transfig tgif
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Re: string occurrences

[green]

roberto wrote at 2010-01-23 15:33 -0600:
> is there any linux built-in utilities to count how many times a string
> occur in a text file ?

grep "string" file | wc -l

will give you the number of *lines* that contain a specific string.  Only 
counts 1 if the string exists twice in a line, or 0 if it spans multiple lines.


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trouble playing streaming video

[Steve Kleene]

I'm having trouble accessing streaming video from a local website.  If I
click on a video in iceweasel (up-to-date Lenny), I see that MPlayer-Plugin
is called, and the browser also shows:

  Connecting to server 70.61.148.132[70.61.148.132]: 80...

ps shows the following process:

mplayer -wid 0x1201a26 -vf scale=640:-3 -osdlevel 1 -nojoystick \
  -noconsolecontrols -cookies -softvol -slave -user-agent NSPlayer \
  -nomouseinput -cache 512 
http://70.61.148.132/WXOD/WCT%2018120.WMV?MSWMExt=.asf

After a couple of minutes, the browser declares:

  No stream found to handle url 
http://70.61.148.132:80/WXOD/WCT%2018120.WMV?MSWMExt=.asf

I also tried using mplayer directly:

  mplayer http://70.61.148.132/WXOD/WCT%2018120.WMV?MSWMExt=.asf -dumpstream 
-dumpfile output.asf

This gives more informative errors, namely lots of the following:

  Playing http://70.61.148.132/WXOD/WCT%2018120.WMV?MSWMExt=.asf.
  Resolving 70.61.148.132 for AF_INET6...
  Couldn't resolve name for AF_INET6: 70.61.148.132
  Connecting to server 70.61.148.132[70.61.148.132]: 80...
  Cache size set to 320 KBytes

and eventually the same "No stream found ..." shown above.

I called the content provider, who said these are aimed at Windows Media
Player and that they have been dealing with recent changes to WMP.  If I
paste the URL into Explorer, it brings up WMP and plays OK.  Videos from this
site worked fine with Etch mplayer about a year ago.  The provider said that
I could try VLC, but I haven't yet.

Does the "No stream found" mean that mplayer can't play the new format, or is
it really a problem finding a stream at all?  Any ideas how to get this
working from Lenny?  Thanks.


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Re: hostname da cambiare

[Marco Vaschetto]

roberto ha scritto:

ciao, volevo cambiare l'hostname del pc;
se edito e modifico /etc/hostname la modifica sara' attiva a partire
dal prossimo boot o posso renderla attiva subito ? e' necessario
chiudere la sessione kde ?

grazie

  

necessita il riavvio.

ciao


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Re: Re: kdm not working after upgrade from KDE 3.5 to 4.3.4

[coldsun01]

I obviously have the same problem.

When I launch startkde, I've got this problem :

   startkde: Starting up...
   kdeinit4_wrapper: Warning:
   connect(/home/fflorent/.kde/socket-monpc/kdeinit4__0) failed: :
   Connection refused
   /usr/bin/startkde: line 410:  7259 Erreur de segmentation  kwrapper4
   ksmserver $KDEWM
   startkde: Shutting down...
   kdeinit4_wrapper: Warning:
   connect(/home/fflorent/.kde/socket-monpc/kdeinit4__0) failed: :
   Connection refused
   Error: Can not contact kdeinit4!
   startkde: Running shutdown scripts...
   startkde: Done.


It seems to be caused by an segmentation fault from ksmserver ...

I also tried to reinstall all of my kde packages, that doesn't solve my 
problem.
I have tried to log in many times as suggested on this thread : the 
problem's still here.


But unlike Rémy, I was on kde 4.3.
I upgraded the packages yesterday.

cheers,
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Re: string occurrences

[Wayne]

roberto wrote:

hello
is there any linux built-in utilities to count how many times a string
occur in a text file ?

ps: sorry for the italian post


Yes.  man wc

Wayne


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Re: console resolution

[tv.deb...@googlemail.com]

>>tv.debian wrote:
>> Hi, I use a slightly different way, I put:
>>
>> GRUB_GFXMODE="1440x900 640x480"
>>
>> in /etc/defaults/grub (native resolution first, fall-back one isn't
>> necessary, it's the default).
>>
>> Then in /etc/grub.d/00_header I add gfxpayload=keep to this section
>> (around line 80):
>> [...]
>> if loadfont `make_system_path_relative_to_its_root ${GRUB_FONT_PATH}`
>> ; then
>>   set gfxmode=${GRUB_GFXMODE}
>>   set gfxpayload=keep <<<  here it is
>>
>>   insmod gfxterm
>>   insmod ${GRUB_VIDEO_BACKEND}
>>
>>   if terminal_output gfxterm ; then true ; else
>> [...]
>> It's working for me on Debian Squeeze and Ubuntu, but needs to be
>> updated if 00_header is overwritten during update (not often). It's just
>> a workaround until gfxpayload= is picked up in /etc/default/grub.
>>
>> My 2 cents.
>>   
> 
> Nima Azarbayjany wrote:
> It's weird but it's not working for me.  Somehow update-grub (as well as
> update-grub2, in case they are different) ignore all modifications to
> /etc/default/grub.  I'm giving up.  Should I report a bug?
> 

[I re-arranged the message in chronological order to remove top posting]

This could mean your grub install is somehow broken, try to renew it
from scratch, not mixing both grub-pc ("grub2") and grub-legacy. Or
maybe you have typos somewhere in the variables so that they are not
picked up by update-grub (you can also call "grub-mkconfig -o
/boot/grub/grub.cfg" for grub-pc).

No need to Cc me, I am all eyes on the list.


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eth0 is up eventhough the interface is not used

[Umarzuki Mochlis]

# ifconfig
eth0  Link encap:Ethernet  HWaddr 00:1e:ec:b1:5a:76
  UP BROADCAST MULTICAST  MTU:1500  Metric:1
  RX packets:0 errors:0 dropped:873412038 overruns:0 frame:0
  TX packets:0 errors:0 dropped:0 overruns:0 carrier:0
  collisions:0 txqueuelen:1000
  RX bytes:0 (0.0 B)  TX bytes:0 (0.0 B)
  Interrupt:219 Base address:0xe000

# ethtool eth0
Settings for eth0:
Supported ports: [ TP ]
Supported link modes:   10baseT/Half 10baseT/Full
100baseT/Half 100baseT/Full
1000baseT/Full
Supports auto-negotiation: Yes
Advertised link modes:  10baseT/Half 10baseT/Full
100baseT/Half 100baseT/Full
1000baseT/Full
Advertised auto-negotiation: Yes
Speed: Unknown! (0)
Duplex: Half
Port: Twisted Pair
PHYAD: 0
Transceiver: internal
Auto-negotiation: on
Supports Wake-on: pumbg
Wake-on: g
Current message level: 0x0033 (51)
Link detected: no

is there any application that could cause this situation to happen?

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Re: Failover of gateways

[Daniel Bareiro]

Hi, Randall.

On Thursday, 14 January 2010 17:11:53 +0100,
randall wrote:

>> I'm trying to configure Debian GNU/Linux with two alternative
>> gateways.  That is to say, that initially the traffic is by GW1 and
>> if it is down then it goes by GW2. If GW2 is again up, then it
>> becomes to use GW1.
>>
>> Somebody was able to implement some configuration of this type and
>> could help me with it or indicate some reference to me?

> i believe heartbeat is what you are looking for
> http://www.linux-ha.org/

Remembering that you had spoken of heartbeat in this thread, for other
reasons I was testing it but I found that the change of active node
only happens when another node dies and not when the service in another
node stops responding. It is possible to change of active node when the
service in a node does not respond?

Thanks in advance for your reply.

Regards,
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Re: Why is latexmk in Debian so old?

[Vincent Lefevre]

On 2010-01-22 21:08:28 +0100, Sven Joachim wrote:
> On 2010-01-22 16:32 +0100, Vincent Lefevre wrote:
> > Is there really someone who intends to maintain it?
> 
> Why don't you ask the person who last ITA'ed the package?

OK, now done.

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Re: eth0 is up eventhough the interface is not used

[Mark Kamichoff]

On Sun, Jan 24, 2010 at 07:02:24AM +0800, Umarzuki Mochlis wrote:
> # ifconfig
> eth0  Link encap:Ethernet  HWaddr 00:1e:ec:b1:5a:76
>   UP BROADCAST MULTICAST  MTU:1500  Metric:1

The "UP" flag listed is just the admin status.  However, it's missing
the "RUNNING" flag, which will indicate that there is link and the
interface is operationally up.

> is there any application that could cause this situation to happen?

Sure.  Run "ifconfig eth0 up" but don't plug anything into the NIC.

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Re: expanding a luks volume

[Tim Tebbit]

Alex Samad wrote:
> Hi
> 
> subject says it all I have a lv, which i have used luks to encrypt and
> now I would like to extend it.
> 
> I am guessing the process is going to involve coping the files over to
> another partition and then back again ?
> 
> Alex

No not at all. Treat it as any other volume and simply extend it.

http://www.piglets.org/serendipity/archives/62-Guided-LVM-in-Debian.html

# Check the filesystem
e2fsck -f /dev/lorien/home
# Make it slightly smaller
resize2fs /dev/lorien/home 199G
# We are about to play with LVM
lvchange -a n /dev/lorien/home
# Tell it to reduce the size by 1 Gigabyte
lvreduce -L-1g /dev/lorien/home
# Done with LVM
lvchange -a y /dev/lorien/home
# Check the filesystem again
e2fsck -f /dev/lorien/home



# Playing with LVM
vchange -a n /dev/lorien/root
# Increase the LV by 1 G
lvextend -L+1g /dev/lorien/root
# Finished with LVM
lvchange -a y /dev/lorien/root
# Check the file system
e2fsck -f /dev/lorien/root
# resize it
esize2fs /dev/lorien/root
# Check one last time.
e2fsk -f /dev/lorien/root


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Memory

[Roman Gelfand]

What happens when debian is out of memory?  Does it freeze?  Is there
any trace of memory glut in log files?

Thanks in advance


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Highmem and lowmem

[Roman Gelfand]

What is the difference between them and why does debian distinguish the two?

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Re: Highmem and lowmem

[Stan Hoeppner]

Roman Gelfand put forth on 1/23/2010 10:27 PM:
> What is the difference between them and why does debian distinguish the two?

Debian-users isn't a personal tutor, is it?  Many/most of the questions you've
been asking have answers easily obtained via simple Google searches or in
readily available books.

For instance, first Google hit for "linux memory management":
http://linux-mm.org/

4th on the same results page:
http://tldp.org/HOWTO/KernelAnalysis-HOWTO-7.html

8th on the same results page:
http://linuxdevcenter.com/pub/a/linux/2006/11/30/linux-out-of-memory.html

Everything you need to know about how Linux manages memroy is in those pages.
Please research then ask here, not the other way round.

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Re: Memory

[Todd A. Jacobs]

On Sat, Jan 23, 2010 at 11:10:51PM -0500, Roman Gelfand wrote:

> What happens when debian is out of memory?  Does it freeze?  Is there
> any trace of memory glut in log files?

It depends. In general, you will either see disk thrashing as swap is
constantly accessed, or the oom-killer will start terminating candidate
processes.

Unless you're running sar or similar, you won't get much info from your
log files about this sort of thing. Running Apache on a 256MB box
without some low-memory tweaks is a great way to experience this sort of
thing first-hand. :)

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Re: Highmem and lowmem

[Freeman]

On Sat, Jan 23, 2010 at 11:27:51PM -0500, Roman Gelfand wrote:
> What is the difference between them and why does debian distinguish the two?
> 
> Thanks in advance
> 
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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/High_memory

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Re: Memory

[Freeman]

On Sat, Jan 23, 2010 at 11:10:51PM -0500, Roman Gelfand wrote:
> What happens when debian is out of memory?  Does it freeze?  Is there
> any trace of memory glut in log files?
> 
> Thanks in advance
> 

Writes to a swap file on your drive. Or a swap file on your ram drive in
memory if you have one. :)

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