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Re: who "owns" https://projects.apache.org/ ?

2020-03-26 Thread Greg Stein

On Thu, Mar 26, 2020 at 7:54 AM Rich Bowen  wrote:
>...

> One of the things on my Apache To Do list, which starts at the
> expiration of my board term (Next week!) is to "visit" each of our
> projects and update a list of things, which includes:
>
> * Ensure that https://whimsy.apache.org/site/ is green across the board
> * Ensure that data on projects.apache.org is present, useful, accurate
>

Combine the above two? ... have whimsy also verify that a DOAP file exists?

Cheers,
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Re: [ALC Beijing] Proposal: Set up ALC Beijing Podcast (Mandarin）

2020-03-26 Thread Swapnil M Mane

Hi JianSheng,
I found your two confluence IDs, lijiangsheng and lijiangsheng1,
Previously, access was given to lijiangsheng, now given access to lijiangsheng1.
Kindly check and let me know if you still facing issue.


Best regards,
Swapnil M Mane,
www.apache.org

On Thu, Mar 26, 2020 at 5:48 PM 适兕  wrote:
>
> Hi, Mane,
>
>   Sorry, I still have no write permission  for ALC-Beijing wiki page.
>
>  My account email is : lijiangshe...@gmail.com
>
>  please check it again, Thanks very much.
>
> On Tue, Mar 24, 2020 at 11:59 AM Swapnil M Mane 
> wrote:
>
> > Hello JianSheng,
> > Done, please check and let me know if you face any issues.
> >
> > Thanks for sharing the proposal, will review it soon, thank you!
> >
> > Best regards,
> > Swapnil M Mane,
> > www.apache.org
> >
> > On Tue, Mar 24, 2020 at 8:57 AM 适兕  wrote:
> > >
> > > Hi Mane
> > >
> > >  Thanks for your help.
> > > My cwiki.apache.org ID is: LiJiansheng.
> > >
> > >
> > > On Mon, Mar 23, 2020 at 8:08 PM Swapnil M Mane 
> > > wrote:
> > >
> > > > Hi JianSheng,
> > > >
> > > > Kindly share your Confluence Id, will grant the edit rights.
> > > > If you do not have Confluence account yet, please register at
> > > > https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/signup.action
> > > >
> > > > You can create a child page for the proposal at
> > > > https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/COMDEV/ALC+Beijing+Events
> > > >
> > > > For more details and guidelines, please refer
> > > > https://s.apache.org/alc-guidelines
> > > >
> > > > Best regards,
> > > > Swapnil M Mane,
> > > > www.apache.org
> > > >
> > > > On Mon, Mar 23, 2020 at 4:22 PM 适兕  wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > Hi， Willem
> > > > >
> > > > > Thanks for your respond. But I have no edit permission for  ACL
> > Beijing
> > > > > Wiki page. I don't know how to apply for either. If you can help me ,
> > > > > appreciate thanks.
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > On Mon, Mar 23, 2020 at 6:39 PM Willem Jiang  > >
> > > > wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > > +1 to invite more people to share their experiences with ASF
> > projects
> > > > > > through podcast.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > BTW,  JianSheng do you have wiki edit right under ALC-Beijing?
> > > > > > I think you can put the proposal into the wiki.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Willem Jiang
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Twitter: willemjiang
> > > > > > Weibo: 姜宁willem
> > > > > >
> > > > > > On Mon, Mar 23, 2020 at 5:59 PM 适兕 
> > wrote:
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Hi，apache community members
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >I was host podcast, Talking about open source related in
> > Mandarin.
> > > > > > Have
> > > > > > > some experience, and the effect is also good, it is a good spread
> > > > > > channel.
> > > > > > >So I write an document[2] for set up ALC  Beijing Podcast.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >   Any input is welcome!
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > [1].
> > > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > >
> > http://opensourceway.community/posts/opensource_talking/2020-done-and-plan-index/
> > > > > > > [2].
> > > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > >
> > https://docs.google.com/document/d/1vT07pdk9AnDKilCOTaKkQfQEAMR-4gkatOOd8OFsjNY/edit?usp=sharing
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
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Re: who "owns" https://projects.apache.org/ ?

2020-03-26 Thread Sally Khudairi

Thanks, Rich. 

I don't know off the top of my head. What happens --how I'm discovering the 
issues-- is when we're putting together a Weekly News Round-up, we pull posts 
sent to announce@a.o (this is another issue we'll have to deal with as well: 
not every project posts their news there). Then to see what category "Apache 
Razzmatazz" (or whatever) falls under, we look it up on projects.a.o. Sometimes 
it's listed clearly, and we go from there. Other times it's listed but the 
category seems off. Other times it's listed but has no DOAP or category (so we 
have to go to the project site to read about them and try to determine what 
category they're in. Other times they're not on projects.a.o at all, and again, 
we go to their site for detective work... Incubating projects might not be 
listed, and so are checked against http://incubator.apache.org/projects/ (some 
issues there as well...)

I hope this helps! 

Best, 
Sally

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On Thu, Mar 26, 2020, at 10:38, Rich Bowen wrote:
> 
> 
> On 3/25/20 8:06 AM, Sally Khudairi wrote:
> > Hello ComDev-ers --I'm hoping you can help.
> > 
> > I use https://projects.apache.org/ regularly, at least once a week, and 
> > find this resource as a whole to be quite beneficial.
> > 
> > However, there are some inconsistencies: some Apache Projects are not 
> > listed. 
> 
> 
> This seems like a good (and important) place to start. What projects are 
> missing? What canonical list are you comparing against? This seems like 
> low-hanging fruit.
> 
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Re: who "owns" https://projects.apache.org/ ?

2020-03-26 Thread Rich Bowen





On 3/26/20 12:36 PM, Greg Stein wrote:
On Thu, Mar 26, 2020 at 7:54 AM Rich Bowen > wrote:

 >...

One of the things on my Apache To Do list, which starts at the
expiration of my board term (Next week!) is to "visit" each of our
projects and update a list of things, which includes:

* Ensure that https://whimsy.apache.org/site/ is green across the board
* Ensure that data on projects.apache.org
 is present, useful, accurate


Combine the above two? ... have whimsy also verify that a DOAP file exists?



Yeah, that was actually my plan, but I didn't want to lick that cookie, 
since Ruby code is still a bit of a mystery to me. :)


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Re: [ALC Beijing] Proposal: Set up ALC Beijing Podcast (Mandarin）

2020-03-26 Thread 适兕

Thanks Mane, It's ok now, I can edit the wiki page.

On Fri, Mar 27, 2020 at 12:59 AM Swapnil M Mane 
wrote:

> Hi JianSheng,
> I found your two confluence IDs, lijiangsheng and lijiangsheng1,
> Previously, access was given to lijiangsheng, now given access to
> lijiangsheng1.
> Kindly check and let me know if you still facing issue.
>
>
> Best regards,
> Swapnil M Mane,
> www.apache.org
>
> On Thu, Mar 26, 2020 at 5:48 PM 适兕  wrote:
> >
> > Hi, Mane,
> >
> >   Sorry, I still have no write permission  for ALC-Beijing wiki page.
> >
> >  My account email is : lijiangshe...@gmail.com
> >
> >  please check it again, Thanks very much.
> >
> > On Tue, Mar 24, 2020 at 11:59 AM Swapnil M Mane  >
> > wrote:
> >
> > > Hello JianSheng,
> > > Done, please check and let me know if you face any issues.
> > >
> > > Thanks for sharing the proposal, will review it soon, thank you!
> > >
> > > Best regards,
> > > Swapnil M Mane,
> > > www.apache.org
> > >
> > > On Tue, Mar 24, 2020 at 8:57 AM 适兕  wrote:
> > > >
> > > > Hi Mane
> > > >
> > > >  Thanks for your help.
> > > > My cwiki.apache.org ID is: LiJiansheng.
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > On Mon, Mar 23, 2020 at 8:08 PM Swapnil M Mane <
> swapnilmm...@apache.org>
> > > > wrote:
> > > >
> > > > > Hi JianSheng,
> > > > >
> > > > > Kindly share your Confluence Id, will grant the edit rights.
> > > > > If you do not have Confluence account yet, please register at
> > > > > https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/signup.action
> > > > >
> > > > > You can create a child page for the proposal at
> > > > >
> https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/COMDEV/ALC+Beijing+Events
> > > > >
> > > > > For more details and guidelines, please refer
> > > > > https://s.apache.org/alc-guidelines
> > > > >
> > > > > Best regards,
> > > > > Swapnil M Mane,
> > > > > www.apache.org
> > > > >
> > > > > On Mon, Mar 23, 2020 at 4:22 PM 适兕 
> wrote:
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Hi， Willem
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Thanks for your respond. But I have no edit permission for  ACL
> > > Beijing
> > > > > > Wiki page. I don't know how to apply for either. If you can help
> me ,
> > > > > > appreciate thanks.
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > > On Mon, Mar 23, 2020 at 6:39 PM Willem Jiang <
> willem.ji...@gmail.com
> > > >
> > > > > wrote:
> > > > > >
> > > > > > > +1 to invite more people to share their experiences with ASF
> > > projects
> > > > > > > through podcast.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > BTW,  JianSheng do you have wiki edit right under ALC-Beijing?
> > > > > > > I think you can put the proposal into the wiki.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Willem Jiang
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Twitter: willemjiang
> > > > > > > Weibo: 姜宁willem
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > On Mon, Mar 23, 2020 at 5:59 PM 适兕 
> > > wrote:
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > Hi，apache community members
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > >I was host podcast, Talking about open source related in
> > > Mandarin.
> > > > > > > Have
> > > > > > > > some experience, and the effect is also good, it is a good
> spread
> > > > > > > channel.
> > > > > > > >So I write an document[2] for set up ALC  Beijing Podcast.
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > >   Any input is welcome!
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > [1].
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > >
> > >
> http://opensourceway.community/posts/opensource_talking/2020-done-and-plan-index/
> > > > > > > > [2].
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > >
> > >
> https://docs.google.com/document/d/1vT07pdk9AnDKilCOTaKkQfQEAMR-4gkatOOd8OFsjNY/edit?usp=sharing
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
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Re: Suggestion of WeChat Public Account of ALC Beijing

2020-03-26 Thread Willem Jiang

I think we discuss it in today's meeting.
I can do a quick demo show about how to use hugo to host a website.

Willem Jiang

Twitter: willemjiang
Weibo: 姜宁willem

On Wed, Mar 25, 2020 at 3:40 PM jincheng sun  wrote:
>
> Thanks for the pretty nice suggestions John!
>
> I think we really need discuss about the structure looks like of the
> WebChat account. And would be great if you interested in give us a draft of
> the basic structure, then we can discuss it further :)
>
> regarding the repo I think it's better to transfer it to apache repository,
> even, we may need a discussion about create a repo for Apache Local
> Community, and ALC Beijing can be the in that repo. Not pretty sure, we
> need further discussion.
>
> Best,
> Jincheng
>
>
>
> zhangli...@apache.org  于2020年3月23日周一 下午7:05写道：
>
> > The GitHub repo is excellent. Can we consider about transfer it to apache
> > repository in future?
> >
> > --
> >
> > Liang Zhang (John)
> > Apache ShardingSphere & Dubbo
> >
> >
> > Willem Jiang  于2020年3月23日周一 下午5:38写道：
> >
> > > Hi John，
> > >
> > > Thanks for you suggestions.
> > >
> > > ALC Beijing is happy to share the information about Apache projects by
> > > publish the articles in it public account.
> > > Currently we already have git repo[1] to host the article which need to
> > > publish.
> > > For those articles which were published by other Apache project WeChat
> > > public account, we can repost the article for ALC-Beijing audiences.
> > >
> > > [1]https://github.com/WillemJiang/alc-site
> > >
> > > Willem Jiang
> > >
> > > Twitter: willemjiang
> > > Weibo: 姜宁willem
> > >
> > > On Mon, Mar 23, 2020 at 5:06 PM zhangli...@apache.org
> > >  wrote:
> > > >
> > > > Hi,
> > > >
> > > > The Public Account of ALC Beijing has already published some articles
> > > > rapidly, that is a great start.
> > > >
> > > > I want talk about how to improve in future.
> > > >
> > > > 1. Maybe we can create category to group articles.
> > > > 2. We may establish a category which introduce all Apache Projects
> > joined
> > > > the ALC Beijing. This is a good way to show the landscape to reader.
> > > > 3. Create a GitHub repo to write the articles before publishing to
> > Public
> > > > Account.
> > > >
> > > > Any idea?
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > --
> > > >
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> > > > Apache ShardingSphere & Dubbo
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Re: How about we hold a online meeting of ALC Beijing this thursday?

2020-03-26 Thread jincheng sun

See you all at today's meeting!

Best,
Jincheng



Liu Ted  于2020年3月24日周二 下午12:56写道：

> Aha, 10pm Thursday night works for me.
>
> Best regards,
>
> Ted Liu
>
>
> 2020 年 2 月 24 日周一 23:24，Willem Jiang
>  写道：
> Hi,
>
> I think we could hold a online meeting through Zoom this Thursday
> (27th Feb) night around 9:00 PM Beijing time.
> It could be great if we introduce each other and talk about the meetup
> plan in the coming up month. We will send a mail to the mailing list
> to summarize the discussion we have.
>
> Please let me know if the time works for you.
>
> Willem Jiang
>
> Twitter: willemjiang
> Weibo: 姜宁willem
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Re: [ALC Beijing] Proposal: Set up ALC Beijing Podcast (Mandarin）

2020-03-26 Thread 适兕

Hi, Mane,

  Sorry, I still have no write permission  for ALC-Beijing wiki page.

 My account email is : lijiangshe...@gmail.com

 please check it again, Thanks very much.

On Tue, Mar 24, 2020 at 11:59 AM Swapnil M Mane 
wrote:

> Hello JianSheng,
> Done, please check and let me know if you face any issues.
>
> Thanks for sharing the proposal, will review it soon, thank you!
>
> Best regards,
> Swapnil M Mane,
> www.apache.org
>
> On Tue, Mar 24, 2020 at 8:57 AM 适兕  wrote:
> >
> > Hi Mane
> >
> >  Thanks for your help.
> > My cwiki.apache.org ID is: LiJiansheng.
> >
> >
> > On Mon, Mar 23, 2020 at 8:08 PM Swapnil M Mane 
> > wrote:
> >
> > > Hi JianSheng,
> > >
> > > Kindly share your Confluence Id, will grant the edit rights.
> > > If you do not have Confluence account yet, please register at
> > > https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/signup.action
> > >
> > > You can create a child page for the proposal at
> > > https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/COMDEV/ALC+Beijing+Events
> > >
> > > For more details and guidelines, please refer
> > > https://s.apache.org/alc-guidelines
> > >
> > > Best regards,
> > > Swapnil M Mane,
> > > www.apache.org
> > >
> > > On Mon, Mar 23, 2020 at 4:22 PM 适兕  wrote:
> > > >
> > > > Hi， Willem
> > > >
> > > > Thanks for your respond. But I have no edit permission for  ACL
> Beijing
> > > > Wiki page. I don't know how to apply for either. If you can help me ,
> > > > appreciate thanks.
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > On Mon, Mar 23, 2020 at 6:39 PM Willem Jiang  >
> > > wrote:
> > > >
> > > > > +1 to invite more people to share their experiences with ASF
> projects
> > > > > through podcast.
> > > > >
> > > > > BTW,  JianSheng do you have wiki edit right under ALC-Beijing?
> > > > > I think you can put the proposal into the wiki.
> > > > >
> > > > > Willem Jiang
> > > > >
> > > > > Twitter: willemjiang
> > > > > Weibo: 姜宁willem
> > > > >
> > > > > On Mon, Mar 23, 2020 at 5:59 PM 适兕 
> wrote:
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Hi，apache community members
> > > > > >
> > > > > >I was host podcast, Talking about open source related in
> Mandarin.
> > > > > Have
> > > > > > some experience, and the effect is also good, it is a good spread
> > > > > channel.
> > > > > >So I write an document[2] for set up ALC  Beijing Podcast.
> > > > > >
> > > > > >   Any input is welcome!
> > > > > >
> > > > > > [1].
> > > > > >
> > > > >
> > >
> http://opensourceway.community/posts/opensource_talking/2020-done-and-plan-index/
> > > > > > [2].
> > > > > >
> > > > >
> > >
> https://docs.google.com/document/d/1vT07pdk9AnDKilCOTaKkQfQEAMR-4gkatOOd8OFsjNY/edit?usp=sharing
> > > > >
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Re: [ALC Beijing] Proposal: Set up ALC Beijing Podcast (Mandarin）

2020-03-26 Thread 适兕

Hi，

 Thanks for your reply！ I'm glad to see all positive respond.
I'll prepare for our first podcast! ASAP.

 Thanks again.

On Wed, Mar 25, 2020 at 3:06 PM jincheng sun 
wrote:

> Hi JianSheng,
>
> +1 for the proposal, sounds pretty good to me.
>
> Best,
> Jincheng
>
>
> Swapnil M Mane  于2020年3月24日周二 上午11:59写道：
>
> > Hello JianSheng,
> > Done, please check and let me know if you face any issues.
> >
> > Thanks for sharing the proposal, will review it soon, thank you!
> >
> > Best regards,
> > Swapnil M Mane,
> > www.apache.org
> >
> > On Tue, Mar 24, 2020 at 8:57 AM 适兕  wrote:
> > >
> > > Hi Mane
> > >
> > >  Thanks for your help.
> > > My cwiki.apache.org ID is: LiJiansheng.
> > >
> > >
> > > On Mon, Mar 23, 2020 at 8:08 PM Swapnil M Mane <
> swapnilmm...@apache.org>
> > > wrote:
> > >
> > > > Hi JianSheng,
> > > >
> > > > Kindly share your Confluence Id, will grant the edit rights.
> > > > If you do not have Confluence account yet, please register at
> > > > https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/signup.action
> > > >
> > > > You can create a child page for the proposal at
> > > >
> https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/COMDEV/ALC+Beijing+Events
> > > >
> > > > For more details and guidelines, please refer
> > > > https://s.apache.org/alc-guidelines
> > > >
> > > > Best regards,
> > > > Swapnil M Mane,
> > > > www.apache.org
> > > >
> > > > On Mon, Mar 23, 2020 at 4:22 PM 适兕  wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > Hi， Willem
> > > > >
> > > > > Thanks for your respond. But I have no edit permission for  ACL
> > Beijing
> > > > > Wiki page. I don't know how to apply for either. If you can help
> me ,
> > > > > appreciate thanks.
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > On Mon, Mar 23, 2020 at 6:39 PM Willem Jiang <
> willem.ji...@gmail.com
> > >
> > > > wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > > +1 to invite more people to share their experiences with ASF
> > projects
> > > > > > through podcast.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > BTW,  JianSheng do you have wiki edit right under ALC-Beijing?
> > > > > > I think you can put the proposal into the wiki.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Willem Jiang
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Twitter: willemjiang
> > > > > > Weibo: 姜宁willem
> > > > > >
> > > > > > On Mon, Mar 23, 2020 at 5:59 PM 适兕 
> > wrote:
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Hi，apache community members
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >I was host podcast, Talking about open source related in
> > Mandarin.
> > > > > > Have
> > > > > > > some experience, and the effect is also good, it is a good
> spread
> > > > > > channel.
> > > > > > >So I write an document[2] for set up ALC  Beijing Podcast.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >   Any input is welcome!
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > [1].
> > > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > >
> >
> http://opensourceway.community/posts/opensource_talking/2020-done-and-plan-index/
> > > > > > > [2].
> > > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > >
> >
> https://docs.google.com/document/d/1vT07pdk9AnDKilCOTaKkQfQEAMR-4gkatOOd8OFsjNY/edit?usp=sharing
> > > > > >
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Re: who "owns" https://projects.apache.org/ ?

2020-03-26 Thread Sally Khudairi

Thanks, Rich.

projects.a.o is in dire need of updating, as evidenced by the many responses I 
received this morning following https://s.apache.org/21stAnniversary 
("milestone anniversaries" has since been updated)

None/most of the Jakarta projects are represented properly. Need to find a 
better way to represent this.

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On Thu, Mar 26, 2020, at 08:54, Rich Bowen wrote:
> 
> 
> On 3/25/20 8:06 AM, Sally Khudairi wrote:
> > Hello ComDev-ers --I'm hoping you can help.
> > 
> > I use https://projects.apache.org/ regularly, at least once a week, and 
> > find this resource as a whole to be quite beneficial.
> > 
> > However, there are some inconsistencies: some Apache Projects are not 
> > listed. Others have out-dated descriptions/DOAPs. There are wonky 
> > categories for which some Projects have self-identified.
> > 
> > There are opportunities to improve the classification of categories under 
> > which our Projects are listed. For example, adding new categories, such as 
> > Geospatial, which was added during Media & Analyst Training in Montreal. 
> > Some Projects don't know about this page; others weren't aware that they 
> > could update it themselves. Some who wanted to update didn't know how, as 
> > was the instance with the Geospatial folks. Heck, I have no idea how this 
> > is done.
> > 
> > I'm wondering if it make sense to move projects.apache.org under the M 
> > umbrella? This way we can help hone in on its look/feel; how 
> > projects/categories are presented (or not), which data points are 
> > highlighted, and so on.
> > 
> > I'd love to discuss options and see what we can do. To that end, with whom 
> > shall I be talking to?
> > 
> > Many thanks in advance for your help with this --I look forward to hearing 
> > from you!
> 
> One of the things on my Apache To Do list, which starts at the 
> expiration of my board term (Next week!) is to "visit" each of our 
> projects and update a list of things, which includes:
> 
> * Ensure that https://whimsy.apache.org/site/ is green across the board
> * Ensure that data on projects.apache.org is present, useful, accurate
> * Possibly record a Feathercast ("But what does it actually do?")
> 
> After I've done a handful of these (or, rather, as I do them) my hope is 
> to create some docs/process for other ComDev folks who want to play 
> along, so that this doesn't take the rest of my life.
> 
> This process needs to be done in such a way that projects don't feel 
> "managed", but that the person doing it is acting as a beginner project 
> participant, with no authority, so to speak - just another volunteer. 
> (We've had complaints in the past that ComDev is somehow imposing its 
> will when we have proposed any kind of requirements.)
> 
> I mention all of this to say that it's something that we (ComDev) have 
> looked at, and just not had time time or volunteers to make happen yet.
> 
> I don't know if this is useful in terms of what you're trying to 
> accomplish. The problem of "Some who wanted to update didn't know how" 
> is pretty much universal, because we don't have an effective way to 
> communicate this to all projects, and it's not happening in the 
> Incubator for whatever reason (Another thing we can possibly fix going 
> forward? I don't know. I don't spent much time at the Incubator.)
> 
> I continue to see the role of ComDev as educational and inward-facing, 
> and hope that in the coming months I can spend my "Apache Time" working 
> that angle.
> 
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Re: who "owns" https://projects.apache.org/ ?

2020-03-26 Thread Bertrand Delacretaz

Hi,

On Thu, Mar 26, 2020 at 1:54 PM Rich Bowen  wrote:
> ...The problem of "Some who wanted to update didn't know how"
> is pretty much universal, because we don't have an effective way to
> communicate this to all projects...

I think having information or a link to that information at
https://projects.apache.org/ on how to update would fix that.

There's https://projects.apache.org/about.html but it could be
improved in terms of what we expect from projects and how they can do
that.

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Re: who "owns" https://projects.apache.org/ ?

2020-03-26 Thread Rich Bowen





On 3/26/20 10:04 AM, Bertrand Delacretaz wrote:

Hi,

On Thu, Mar 26, 2020 at 1:54 PM Rich Bowen  wrote:

...The problem of "Some who wanted to update didn't know how"
is pretty much universal, because we don't have an effective way to
communicate this to all projects...


I think having information or a link to that information at
https://projects.apache.org/ on how to update would fix that.

There's https://projects.apache.org/about.html but it could be
improved in terms of what we expect from projects and how they can do
that.



I'm going to pick a few projects and go through the process myself, and 
document my findings/frustrations. I would encourage a few of you to do 
the same with projects you are interested in.


Related, distributed data doesn't work at the ASF, imho. Having each 
project have their own unique location for this data, combined with 
having it in svn (while an increasing number of our projects don't speak 
svn any more), is a recipe for data rot.


Daniel patched the system a while back to consolidate/centralize that 
data, and was vetoed/reverted for reasons that are unclear to me. 
Having this data centralized would, I think, increase the chances that 
we'd actually keep it updated.


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Re: who "owns" https://projects.apache.org/ ?

2020-03-26 Thread Rich Bowen





On 3/25/20 8:06 AM, Sally Khudairi wrote:

Hello ComDev-ers --I'm hoping you can help.

I use https://projects.apache.org/ regularly, at least once a week, and find 
this resource as a whole to be quite beneficial.

However, there are some inconsistencies: some Apache Projects are not listed. 



This seems like a good (and important) place to start. What projects are 
missing? What canonical list are you comparing against? This seems like 
low-hanging fruit.


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Re: who "owns" https://projects.apache.org/ ?

2020-03-26 Thread Rich Bowen





On 3/26/20 8:58 AM, Sally Khudairi wrote:

Thanks, Rich.

projects.a.o is in dire need of updating, as evidenced by the many responses I received 
this morning following https://s.apache.org/21stAnniversary ("milestone 
anniversaries" has since been updated)

None/most of the Jakarta projects are represented properly. Need to find a 
better way to represent this.


As far as I can tell, the core of the problem is, as you observed, "Some 
Projects don't know about this page; others weren't aware that they 
could update it themselves. Some who wanted to update didn't know how".


Because this data resides with each project, rather than centrally, 
updating it requires project outreach - which we're happy to do, it's 
just time consuming.


If you can give me a list of projects in question, we can prioritize them.

Meanwhile, every time a project complains that their data is not 
accurate, we would ask that you point them to 
https://projects.apache.org/about.html which documents how to fix it. If 
that doc is in any way unclear, we can absolutely work to clarify and 
update.




On Thu, Mar 26, 2020, at 08:54, Rich Bowen wrote:



On 3/25/20 8:06 AM, Sally Khudairi wrote:

Hello ComDev-ers --I'm hoping you can help.

I use https://projects.apache.org/ regularly, at least once a week, and find 
this resource as a whole to be quite beneficial.

However, there are some inconsistencies: some Apache Projects are not listed. 
Others have out-dated descriptions/DOAPs. There are wonky categories for which 
some Projects have self-identified.

There are opportunities to improve the classification of categories under which our 
Projects are listed. For example, adding new categories, such as Geospatial, which 
was added during Media & Analyst Training in Montreal. Some Projects don't know 
about this page; others weren't aware that they could update it themselves. Some 
who wanted to update didn't know how, as was the instance with the Geospatial 
folks. Heck, I have no idea how this is done.

I'm wondering if it make sense to move projects.apache.org under the M 
umbrella? This way we can help hone in on its look/feel; how projects/categories 
are presented (or not), which data points are highlighted, and so on.

I'd love to discuss options and see what we can do. To that end, with whom 
shall I be talking to?

Many thanks in advance for your help with this --I look forward to hearing from 
you!


One of the things on my Apache To Do list, which starts at the
expiration of my board term (Next week!) is to "visit" each of our
projects and update a list of things, which includes:

* Ensure that https://whimsy.apache.org/site/ is green across the board
* Ensure that data on projects.apache.org is present, useful, accurate
* Possibly record a Feathercast ("But what does it actually do?")

After I've done a handful of these (or, rather, as I do them) my hope is
to create some docs/process for other ComDev folks who want to play
along, so that this doesn't take the rest of my life.

This process needs to be done in such a way that projects don't feel
"managed", but that the person doing it is acting as a beginner project
participant, with no authority, so to speak - just another volunteer.
(We've had complaints in the past that ComDev is somehow imposing its
will when we have proposed any kind of requirements.)

I mention all of this to say that it's something that we (ComDev) have
looked at, and just not had time time or volunteers to make happen yet.

I don't know if this is useful in terms of what you're trying to
accomplish. The problem of "Some who wanted to update didn't know how"
is pretty much universal, because we don't have an effective way to
communicate this to all projects, and it's not happening in the
Incubator for whatever reason (Another thing we can possibly fix going
forward? I don't know. I don't spent much time at the Incubator.)

I continue to see the role of ComDev as educational and inward-facing,
and hope that in the coming months I can spend my "Apache Time" working
that angle.


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Re: who "owns" https://projects.apache.org/ ?

2020-03-26 Thread Rich Bowen





On 3/25/20 8:06 AM, Sally Khudairi wrote:

Hello ComDev-ers --I'm hoping you can help.

I use https://projects.apache.org/ regularly, at least once a week, and find 
this resource as a whole to be quite beneficial.

However, there are some inconsistencies: some Apache Projects are not listed. 
Others have out-dated descriptions/DOAPs. There are wonky categories for which 
some Projects have self-identified.

There are opportunities to improve the classification of categories under which our 
Projects are listed. For example, adding new categories, such as Geospatial, which 
was added during Media & Analyst Training in Montreal. Some Projects don't know 
about this page; others weren't aware that they could update it themselves. Some 
who wanted to update didn't know how, as was the instance with the Geospatial 
folks. Heck, I have no idea how this is done.

I'm wondering if it make sense to move projects.apache.org under the M 
umbrella? This way we can help hone in on its look/feel; how projects/categories 
are presented (or not), which data points are highlighted, and so on.

I'd love to discuss options and see what we can do. To that end, with whom 
shall I be talking to?

Many thanks in advance for your help with this --I look forward to hearing from 
you!


One of the things on my Apache To Do list, which starts at the 
expiration of my board term (Next week!) is to "visit" each of our 
projects and update a list of things, which includes:


* Ensure that https://whimsy.apache.org/site/ is green across the board
* Ensure that data on projects.apache.org is present, useful, accurate
* Possibly record a Feathercast ("But what does it actually do?")

After I've done a handful of these (or, rather, as I do them) my hope is 
to create some docs/process for other ComDev folks who want to play 
along, so that this doesn't take the rest of my life.


This process needs to be done in such a way that projects don't feel 
"managed", but that the person doing it is acting as a beginner project 
participant, with no authority, so to speak - just another volunteer. 
(We've had complaints in the past that ComDev is somehow imposing its 
will when we have proposed any kind of requirements.)


I mention all of this to say that it's something that we (ComDev) have 
looked at, and just not had time time or volunteers to make happen yet.


I don't know if this is useful in terms of what you're trying to 
accomplish. The problem of "Some who wanted to update didn't know how" 
is pretty much universal, because we don't have an effective way to 
communicate this to all projects, and it's not happening in the 
Incubator for whatever reason (Another thing we can possibly fix going 
forward? I don't know. I don't spent much time at the Incubator.)


I continue to see the role of ComDev as educational and inward-facing, 
and hope that in the coming months I can spend my "Apache Time" working 
that angle.



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Re: who "owns" https://projects.apache.org/ ?

2020-03-26 Thread Daniel Gruno


On 26/03/2020 09.38, Rich Bowen wrote:



On 3/25/20 8:06 AM, Sally Khudairi wrote:

Hello ComDev-ers --I'm hoping you can help.

I use https://projects.apache.org/ regularly, at least once a week, 
and find this resource as a whole to be quite beneficial.


However, there are some inconsistencies: some Apache Projects are not 
listed. 



This seems like a good (and important) place to start. What projects are 
missing? What canonical list are you comparing against? This seems like 
low-hanging fruit.




I think a list of "litanies" (in a positive way), if you will, would be 
a good starting point for us to progress here. What are the challenges 
we are facing, and how do we best address them. I'd prefer if this was a 
service by the communities for the communities, but I also acknowledge 
that we've been primarily doing this 'our way', not necessarily how 
projects would prefer it.


I have my own list of suggestions:

- do away with DOAP/XML, but still keep the data in VCS (yaml based data?)
- have an online editor for projects to enter in data (do away with the 
weird mix of centralized decentralization)
- create a standard list of scope/language/etc categories to pick from 
when describing projects, to avoid weird solo categories.
- perform more outreach once the above is done, so projects can go and 
set up or edit their information in a simple, fast way.




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