Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] FOSS for Application Schema development

[Bart van den Eijnden]

What about HALE?

https://www.wetransform.to/products/halestudio/

Best regards,

Bart


On 15-08-18 12:40, Luí­s Moreira de Sousa wrote:

Dear all,

I would like to develop a GML application schema [0] from an existing 
domain model. This is essentially an XSD file that can later be used 
by a WFS server like GeoServer. I am only aware of the Geospatial 
extension to Enterprise Architect [0], a tool that costs tens of 
thousands of euros.


Is there any FOSS alternative? What would be in general the FOSS way 
of developing an application schema?


Thank you.

[0] http://www.opengeospatial.org/standards/gml

[1] 
http://www.sparxsystems.com/enterprise_architect_user_guide/12.1/geospatial_modeling/generate_gml_application_schem.html

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Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] problems accessing OSGeo website

[Bart van den Eijnden]

I wonder if that search page violates the GPDR?

Best regards,

Bart


On 11-07-18 15:59, Jeff McKenna wrote:

Hi Sergio,

Is your username "sacosta" ?  (using this link to search for your 
username: https://id.osgeo.org/ldap/search?query=sergio )


Did you try to reset your password with this page? 
https://id.osgeo.org/ldap/reset


-jeff




On 2018-07-11 9:57 AM, SERGIO ACOSTAYLARA wrote:
Hi all. I am having problems trying to log in to OSGeo page. I 
thought it might be that I forgot my password but when I try to 
receive a temporary password via email I cannot do it. Does anybody 
has the same problem?


Thanks,


Sergio Acosta y Lara
Departamento de Geomática
Dirección Nacional de Topografía
Ministerio de Transporte y Obras Públicas
URUGUAY
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Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] Community voting FOSS4G NA

[Bart van den Eijnden]

I think it's only required to have an Eclipse account (see: 
https://accounts.eclipse.org/user/register) in order to participate in 
the community voting.


There is no need to register for the conference.

Btw voting period has ended already.

Best regards,

Bart


On 23-02-18 14:33, Micah Wengren wrote:


Hi Marc,

Thanks for the notice and many thanks for your efforts to put together 
FOSS4GNA.


I don't recall having to register in order to submit a community vote 
on presentation topics for a FOSS4G conference before.  I have not 
been to FOSS4GNA for several years, so I realize the process may 
differ from the international event. And I can see there is some logic 
to restricting the voting pool to those actually attending, but many, 
myself included, won't be able to register before the program is 
finalized.  I try to make a point to vote if I am fairly certain I'll 
be attending, but it looks like that won't be possible this year.


Thanks for your consideration,

Micah


On 2/12/2018 10:52 AM, Marc VLOEMANS wrote:

Dear all,
The FOSS4G NA Program Committeehas started deliberating& scoringon 
160+ proposals. You are kindly invited to influence your program by 
casting your "community vote".

Please follow these steps:

1. Login to https://2018.foss4g-na.org 
(register to submit your vote)

2. Go to Proposed Sessions under 'Conference'
3: Vote for favorites under "your vote"

Thanks for your time and hope to see you in St Louis!

Marc Vloemans

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Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] Elections 2017 from the CRO point of view

[Bart van den Eijnden]

Very good point Tom.

The only public complaint I've seen about the new process was in this 
board meeting by Jeff: 
http://irclogs.geoapt.com/osgeo/%23osgeo.2017-10-05.log [1]


Vasile, can you maybe shed some light on how many people actually 
complained about it?


Personally I don't think it's a good idea to keep changing the process 
every year, and I'm happy with a more inclusive process (such as the one 
which is in place now).


Best regards,

Bart

[1]
14:16:15 	jmckenna: 	yes i have plans to go back to LimeSurvey and 
voting for 2018 for charter members, requiring 51% 'yes' votes...back to 
our old process. Important that what happened this year never happens 
again: voting process was changed in a closed door meeting.



On 30-10-17 13:27, Tom Chadwin wrote:

Dear Vasile and all

I've thought long and hard about whether to reply or not, but it has been 
bothering me, so I guess I must.


However, during the nomination
period, many of our members considered the new membership process way
too inclusive/lite, causing a diminution in the importance of the
charter member position.

As one of the intake of this year's new charter members, I find this both 
insulting and upsetting.


My recommendations for the future board are to: (a) Change the
existing membership process with another one more balanced, that assures
both inclusiveness and a consistent weight for the charter member
position.

Where does that leave those of us elected as charter members this year? Are we "lite" 
members because "many" existing members felt strongly enough about protecting the 
exclusivity of their position to complain privately to the CRO, but not strongly enough to express 
that opinion openly so that it could be discussed?

I really feel for Vasile that people expressed such a potentially toxic 
opinion, thereby absolving themselves of the responsibility of putting their 
names to it, while presumably expecting him to raise it himself, as he has so 
professionally done.

I was extremely proud to have been nominated and generously seconded. 
Recognition and reputation are significant parts of open-source currency. 
However, this attitude creates the impression that membership is a self-serving 
clique.

I would have been happy to have gone through a more rigorous nomination 
process. However I, and many of my colleagues - many much, much more respected 
than me - did not, through no fault of our own.

Let me make this clear: this issue and the way in which it has been raised, 
coupled with the white western board election results (concern about which I 
absolutely share), and also the unpleasant flavour of the board election 
through the situation with Jeff are making me question whether I should retain 
the charter membership I was so proud to attain.

Yours in frustration

Tom


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Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] withdrawal from Board election

[Bart van den Eijnden]

I agree with Barry that this is the only way forward, a new ballot.

Best regards,

Bart


On 22-10-17 15:33, Barry Rowlingson wrote:



My proposal to the Board and the OSGeo charter members is to leave the
list as it is and make sure that the people that did not vote yet are
aware of Jeff's request to withdraw from the Board elections.


No, this is completely off. If a candidate withdraws during an 
election, you should declare the current ballot void and start a new 
one without the withdrawn candidate.
Leaving the ballot running, but telling people who have not voted yet 
that one candidate has withdrawn is *unfair* to those who already voted.


I would hope that running a ballot is low-enough cost that this 
doesn't have a cost impact, unlike a paper election!


If Jeff had been elected to the board and then resigned the day after 
the election then I assume there's regulations for having new 
by-elections for vacant seats, but this situation is not the same.


Barry




I can
insert the information in the reminder mail that I'm planing to submit
tonight/Monday morning.

Best,
Vasile
CRO 2017


[1] http://www.geo-spatial.org/osgeo/bucuresti2017



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> Dear CRO,
>
> Please accept my withdrawal from the Board election.  I am sorry to
> cause all of the problems so clearly explained by so many here
publicly
> this election.
>
> I wish to take the time now to thank all of the candidates for
> volunteering their time for the OSGeo community.
>
> Yours,
>
> -Jeff McKenna
>
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Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] Nominating Björn Harrtell as an OSGeo charter member

[Bart van den Eijnden]

Seconded.

And surprised that Björn is not already a charter member.

Best regards,

Bart


On 25-08-17 13:29, Sandro Santilli wrote:

I would like to nominate Björn Harrtell for OSGeo charter membership.

Björn is a PostGIS committer, contributor of OpenLayers, GeoTools and
JTS, author of the JavaScript JTS port (http://bjornharrtell.github.io/jsts/)

He recently setup and still takes care of the experimental OSGeo/GitLab
server: http://bjornharrtell.github.io/jsts/; provides a Drone
agent for the experimental OSGeo/Gogs CI (https://wiki.osgeo.org/wiki/Drone)

You might know him as `bj0rn[m]` on IRC

Wiki page: https://wiki.osgeo.org/wiki/User:Bjornharrtell

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Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] [Election 2016] Nomination for OSGeo Board: Marc Vloemans

[Bart van den Eijnden]

Seconded. I've known Marc since he stood up a cooperation of small companies 
that focus on open source geo in 2009 in The Netherlands, where he was really 
good at getting a common ground for those diverse companies and people. He was 
also director in the past of one of the better open source GIS companies in The 
Netherlands, B3Partners.

Marc can play a diverse field from marketing to business development and also a 
bit of sales. I'm positive he will make a difference in the OSGeo board.

Best regards,
Bart

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> On 18 sep. 2016, at 17:40, Jeff McKenna  wrote:
> 
> Forwarding Marc Vloemans nomination for the Board of Directors by Gert-Jan 
> van der Weijden.
> 
> - on behalf of
>  CRO 2016
> 
> 
>  Forwarded Message 
> 
> I would like to nominate Marc Vloemans for the Board of Directors of the 
> OSGeo.org foundation.
> 
> I know Marc now for approximately 10 years. The first years simply as 
> fellow-Dutchmen working in spatial IT in The Netherlands. But since Marc 
> joined the Board of Directors of the Dutch Local Chapter "OSgeo.nl" in 2015, 
> and since we both were members of the Local Organizing Committee of FOSS4G in 
> Bonn this year, I have worked with Marc more closely than ever before.
> 
> I guess a  lot of you (the participants of FOSS4G) can't have missed Marc 
> since he was the central person in manning the OSGeo.org booth at FOSS4G.
> 
> He has a broad management experience in "spreading the open source word" in 
> both commercial and public organizations, not just in Europe but also in 
> other continents. But his organizational experience is not tied to just our 
> well-known FOSS4G ecosystem.
> 
> Therefore I think Marc can build bridges to other organisations and 
> ecosystems, and thus bring OSgeo.org a step further in its maturity.
> 
> And besides that, I know Marc as someone you can have a good beer/talk & 
> laugh with!
> 
> https://wiki.osgeo.org/wiki/Marc_Vloemans
> 
> Kind regards,
> 
> Gert-Jan
> 
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Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] [Election 2016] Nomination for OSGEO Board: Jeffrey Johnson

[Bart van den Eijnden]

+1

Jeff would be a great asset to the OSGeo board. I’ve always enjoyed working 
with him, very professional and energetic, with a good vision. He has what it 
takes to be on the board for sure.

Best regards,
Bart

> On 14 Sep 2016, at 17:26, Paolo Corti  wrote:
> 
> +1 here as well.
> 
> I am really glad that Jeff is accepting the nomination. I know him since many 
> years now, and we worked closely on a lot of different projects. He has an 
> outstanding knowledge of OSGeo projects and its community, literally endless 
> energies, a huge commitment to the open source movement, and a great attitude 
> to help others.
> As remembered by Jody he contributed a great part of his spare time in the 
> last few years for volunteering with civic hacking initiatives.
> 
> I think he would represent without doubt an awesome asset for OSGeo.
> 
> p
> 
> On Tue, Sep 13, 2016 at 6:37 PM, Jorge Sanz  > wrote:
> Forwarding Jeffrey Johnson nomination for the Board of Directors by Tim Sutton
> 
> All the best
> 
> --
> Jorge Sanz
> CRO 2016
> 
> -- Mensaje reenviado --
> De: "Tim Sutton" mailto:t...@kartoza.com>>
> Fecha: 13 sept. 2016 22:54
> Asunto: Nomination for OSGEO Board: Jeffrey Johnson
> Para: "OSGeo Chief Returning Officer" mailto:c...@osgeo.org>>
> Cc: 
> 
> I would like to nominate Jeffrey Johnson for a position on the OSGEO board. 
> Jeffrey is an extremely energetic and active proponent of FOSSGIS. Among 
> other things, Jeff is co-founder of the US QGIS User's Group and 
> co-maintainer of the GeoNode project. His friendly enthusiastic approach and 
> desire to marry business interests with his passion of FOSS GIS will be a 
> great asset for OSGEO. I believe that as an OSGEO board member, Jeff will 
> exert a positive influence on how the OSGEO project is managed and perceived 
> by members of the public at large.
> 
> I have made contact with Jeffrey prior to sending this email and he is happy 
> to accept my nomination.
> 
> Regards
> 
> Tim
> —
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> Tim Sutton
> 
> Co-founder: Kartoza
> Project chair: QGIS.org 
> 
> Visit http://kartoza.com  to find out about open source:
> 
> Desktop GIS programming services
> Geospatial web development
> GIS Training
> Consulting Services
> 
> Skype: timlinux 
> IRC: timlinux on #qgis at freenode.net 
> 
> Kartoza is a merger between Linfiniti and Afrispatial
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Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] OSGeo is becoming irrelevant. Here's why. Let's fix it.

[Bart van den Eijnden]

Before going to this trouble, we should check if there is an actual demand 
among projects?

Best regards,
Bart

> On 01 Oct 2015, at 13:17, Jeff McKenna  wrote:
> 
> On 2015-10-01 4:18 AM, Jachym Cepicky wrote:
>> I'm using gitlab already and it really gives you what I like on github
>> 
>> Shall we ask the board and SAC for create instance of gitlab on our servers?
>> 
>> J
>> 
> 
> I think asking SAC about hosting GitLab on our servers is a great idea!  A 
> nice option for projects.
> 
> -jeff
> 
> 
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Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] [Election 2015] Board of Directors elections results

[Bart van den Eijnden]

Thanks a lot Vasile for your hard work.

Best of luck to the new board members!

Best regards,
Bart

> On 30 Sep 2015, at 14:12, Vasile Craciunescu  wrote:
> 
> Dear all,
> 
> Theses are the final results from the 2015 elections[1] for the open
> seats[2] of the OSGeo Board of Directors. There were *five* seats open
> and they have been filled by (alphabetical order):
> 
> - Anita Graser
> - Helena Mitasova
> - Jody Garnett
> - Sanghee Shin
> - Venkatesh Raghavan
> 
> Thanks to all candidates for going through the elections process. Overall 
> voting participation was 88% (246 from 280):
> 
> - 246 complete votes;
> - 8 incomplete responses (the survey was open but not submitted);
> - 26 members did not open the survey at all.
> 
> There were no tie scores to arbitrate. Thank you to all who voted!
> 
> The complete resulting Board for 2015/2016 is presented bellow:
> 
> - Anita Graser
> - Helena Mitasova
> - Jody Garnett
> - Massimiliano Cannata
> - Michael Smith
> - Sanghee Shin
> - Vasile Craciunescu
> - Venkatesh Raghavan
> 
> With the election results published[3] the new Board of Directors[4]
> becomes effective as of now. According with the rule established last year, 
> the detailed scores of each nominee will be published ASAP on our wiki.
> 
> Congratulations and please, dear members, welcome the new OSGeo directors!
> 
> We wish to thank the outgoing directors for their continued support of
> OSGeo and for helping to run a fantastic organization with a great
> membership and lots of energy. Anne, Jachym, Jorge, Gerald and Bart, thank 
> you very much!
> 
> We thank all candidates who stood in this election and all OSGeo
> Charter Members for their contribution and votes. Nimalika and Dirk, thanks 
> for stepping up, we are looking forward to work with you and the rest of the 
> members to keep the foundation growing and improving.
> 
> My role as CRO is ending now. It was a privilege to work with you to further 
> grow OSGeo. Personally, I would like to also thank Jorge for all his hard 
> work put in the electronic voting system and to Jeff for his continuous 
> support. In the following weeks I will get back to you and reopen two 
> discussions:
> 
> - Election process for the following years (survey conclusions and analysis);
> - Mechanisms for assuring up to date charter members contact channels and 
> retirement of inactive members (I will present some voting statistics for the 
> last couple of years).
> 
> Best regards.
> Vasile
> CRO 2015
> 
> [1] http://wiki.osgeo.org/wiki/Election_2015
> [2] http://wiki.osgeo.org/wiki/Board_Member_Nominations_2015
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Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] OSGeo is becoming irrelevant. Here's why. Let's fix it.

[Bart van den Eijnden]

To at least have facts straight, GeoServer passed incubation in 2013

http://www.osgeo.org/news/geoserver-graduation

Bart

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> On 26 sep. 2015, at 00:12, Milo van der Linden  wrote:
> 
> Being a "don't talk, act" member since 2008, entrepreneur and former chairman 
> of a couple of local initiatives, I strongly agree.
> 
> Seeing all the "empty talkers" from my country run for charter membership and 
> still not having geoserver, which is the most mature open geospatial product 
> I can think of pas incubation made me completely lose interest in OSGeo.
> 
> I am disappointed, a little frustrated and plotting a business course that 
> values open source and open knowledge. OSGeo or any in-crowd will have no 
> part in my future.
> 
> Thank you for your honest and to the point analyses.
> 
> Milo
> 
>> On Sep 25, 2015 21:58, "Darrell Fuhriman"  wrote:
>> The recent discussion on the board list that came out of the question of the 
>> 2014 videos has got me thinking about a few things again, and I want to try 
>> to get them out there.
>> 
>> Grab a mug of your favorite liquid and hunker down, because I put some time 
>> and effort into this, and your own well considered reply is appreciated.
>> 
>> Keep in mind that all of these comments are coming from my personal 
>> perspective, which, like everyone’s, is an incomplete picture of the whole. 
>> Much of what I’m going to say has been rolling around my head for a while, 
>> so I’m just going to put it out there.
>> 
>> I will start with a provocative thesis:
>> 
>> OSGeo lacks visionary unified leadership and without it will become 
>> irrelevant.
>> 
>> Of course, making such a claim requires support. So let me break down the 
>> statement. 
>> 
>> “Visionary leadership” is really two things, “vision” and “leadership.” I 
>> will address each in turn.
>> 
>> OSGeo lacks vision
>> 
>> I looked at the list of “Goals” for OSGeo. I wonder: when was the last time 
>> these goals were evaluated for both success and relevancy?
>> 
>> Here is my own opinion of success of some of  these goals. (In the interest 
>> of brevity, I haven’t tried to tackle everything. That’s left as an exercise 
>> to the reader.)
>> 
>> Example 1
>> 
>> To provide resources for foundation projects - eg. infrastructure, funding, 
>> legal.
>> 
>> Allow me to break each of those examples down.
>> Infrastructure
>> 
>> It’s true that OSGeo provides some infrastructure, such as Trac instance, 
>> Mailman, SVN repos. If the budget is to be believed, we pay some $3,500/yr 
>> to OSUOSL for said infrastructure. I wonder if such a service is necessary, 
>> however. Issue tracking and source control are much better provided by 
>> Github, which is free for organization such as ours.
>> I say this because a) that’s money that could be better spent elsewhere and 
>> b) supporting these services burns precious volunteer time (more on that 
>> below).
>> There are clear cost savings available, which are not taken advantage of. 
>> For example, OSGeo could be hosting FOSS4G infrastructure: conference 
>> websites and registration, a central location for conference videos 
>> (regardless of platform/provider). This neglect is especially galling given 
>> that FOSS4G is OSGeo’s sole source of income.
>> 
>> Funding
>> 
>> OSGeo does not fund projects. It has provided some funds to pay for Code 
>> Sprints — $15k in 2014 according to the budget.
>> 
>> Legal
>> 
>> I see nothing that has been done on this front recently. Please feel free to 
>> correct me.
>> 
>> Conclusion
>> 
>> OSGeo, where it actually does what it claims, has not adapted in ways that 
>> could save money.
>> 
>>  My grade: D
>> 
>> Example 2
>> 
>> To promote freely available geodata - free software is useless without data.
>> 
>> The geodata working group is dead. As near as I can tell by perusing the 
>> mailing list archives, and the wiki, there has been no meaningful activity 
>> in the past two years (maybe more).
>> 
>> My grade: F
>> 
>> Example 3
>> 
>> To promote the use of open source software in the geospatial industry (not 
>> just foundation software) - eg. PR, training, outreach.
>> 
>> The Board of Directors page says:
>> Packaging and Marketing
>> 
>> OSGeo’s marketing effort has primarily been focused around the packaging and 
>> documentation efforts of OSGeo-Live, and to a lesser extend[sic], osgeo4w. 
>> […] It has been entirely driven by volunteer labour, with 140 OSGeo-Live 
>> volunteers, and printing costs have been covered by local events or 
>> sponsors. In the last couple of years, OSGeo has covered local chapter 
>> expenses required to purchase non-consumable items for conference booths 
>> (such as a retractable banner). In moving forward, OSGeo hope to extend 
>> marketing reach by providing co-contributions toward printing costs of 
>> consumable items at conferences, such as toward OSGeo-Live DVDs.
>> 
>> Local Chapters
>> 
>> Much of OSGeo’s marketing initiates are applied at th

Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] Board election: no re-elections this year?

[Bart van den Eijnden]

Hi Gert-Jan,

just my personal opinion here. I think there are a lot of growing pains, making 
the issues to deal with larger and more complex, with no obvious easy solutions.

The time aspect was not the problem for me, the energy / friction aspect was.

Btw, Jachym has been around for more than 2 years, and so has been Anne. They 
had a (half-)term before this term.

Best regards,
Bart

> On 23 Sep 2015, at 09:17, Gert-Jan van der Weijden  wrote:
> 
> Hello list,
> 
> Preparing to cast my vote for the board election, I noticed that all 4 
> (Jáchym, Bart, Gérald, Jorge) board members who reached the end of their 
> 2-year term are not standing for re-election. (besides that: Anne decided not 
> to stay for her 2nd year of her 1st term)
> 
> Some questions arise:
> - Is the board membership such a demanding job that members always resign 
> after 2 years?
> - Is this a good thing, to make sure we dont'have board members who are tied 
> to their seats?
> - Or is this a bad thing, with board members switching too fast to reach 
> their goals?
> 
> Respones from anybody are as always appreciated, but the 4+1 resigning board 
> members and the current candidates are especially invited to give their 
> humble opinion on this.
> 
> 
> Regards,
> 
> Gert-Jan
> 
> 
> Gert-Jan van der Weijden
> Voorzitter Stichting OSGeo.nl
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Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] Board Elections - request for manifestos

[Bart van den Eijnden]

Please can all candidates do this soon?

The survey has started already and it’s hard to vote without this info IMHO.

Thanks Dirk for putting the info there already.

Best regards,
Bart

> On 17 Sep 2015, at 10:31, Steven Feldman  wrote:
> 
> I would like to be able to vote on the substance of candidates rather than 
> just voting for names that I recognise
> 
> I would like to ask the candidates for the Board Elections to share some 
> information with the Charter Members so that we can understand:
> 
> Who you are
> What you have done within the community in the past 
> What your interests are in terms of the board
> Any things that you would like to change or introduce
> What role you would wish to fulfil on the board (if any)
> 
> Ideally this should all be on a wiki page so that the electorate can read and 
> compare each candidate’s manifesto with ease, I have created a stub page at 
> http://wiki.osgeo.org/wiki/Election_2015_Candidate_Manifestos 
>  which you 
> could use.
> 
> Thanks
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> 
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Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] [Election 2015] Board Nomination for Jody Garnett

[Bart van den Eijnden]

I second this nomination.

Best regards,
Bart

> On 16 Sep 2015, at 08:20, Vasile Craciunescu  wrote:
> 
> Forwarding Jody Garnett nomination to the board of directors by Cameron 
> Shorter.
> 
> Best,
> Vasile
> CRO 2015
> 
> 
>  Forwarded Message 
> Subject:  Re: Run for the OSGeo board?
> Date: Wed, 16 Sep 2015 14:42:05 +1000
> From: Cameron Shorter 
> To:   Jody Garnett , OSGeo CRO 
> 
> 
> 
> Dear CRO,
> 
> I would like to nominate Jody Garnett to serve on the OSGeo Board.
> 
> Jody is a man who has a depth of experience with the OSGeo foundation,
> right from getting his hands dirty writing code, through to setting up
> and managing projects, through to evangelising at conferences and
> workshops, as well as chairing OSGeo committees.
> 
> He steps up to tackle the hard problems, provides insightful feedback
> and advice, as well ask taking on the less exciting tasks to get things
> done. This depth of can-do practical experience will serve OSGeo well if
> Jody were voted onto the OSGeo board.
> 
> For background: Jody chairs the OSGeo Incubation committee, was on the
> FOSS4G 2007 and FOSS4G 2009 organising committees, has presented
> regularly at conferences and workshops, is on the Project Steering
> Committees for UDig, GeoTools, GeoServer, and is a regular contributor
> to numerous OSGeo email lists.
> 
> Warm regards,
> Cameron Shorter
> 
> 
> 
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Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] [OSGeo Elections 2015] Nomination for Marc Vloemans

[Bart van den Eijnden]

Seconded, good to see more people from the business side of the spectrum.

Bart

Sent from my iPhone

> On 29 aug. 2015, at 10:05, Vasile Craciunescu  wrote:
> 
> Forwarding Marc Vloemans nomination by Just van den Broecke.
> 
> Best regards,
> Vasile
> 
> 
>  Forwarded Message 
> Subject: Nomination of Marc Vloemans as Charter Member
> Date: Fri, 28 Aug 2015 13:45:29 +0200
> From: Just van den Broecke 
> To: c...@osgeo.org
> 
> Dear CRO,
> 
> It is my pleasure to nominate Marc Vloemans as Charter Member for the
> 2015 elections.
> 
> Marc Vloemans is currently a board member of the OSGeo.nl Local
> Chapter/foundation and member of the LOC for FOSS4G 2016. He is an
> accomplished market developer cum evangelist for open spatial IT. As an
> international presenter, lobbyist, writer, marketeer and entrepreneur he
> has contributed to the dissemination of projects - such as PostGIS,
> GeoServer and OpenLayers - among end-users and decision makers.
> 
> I am convinced that his technical-commercial qualities will complement
> those present within the Foundation.
> 
> His advocate page is at:
> http://wiki.osgeo.org/wiki/Marc_Vloemans
> 
> Kind regards,
> 
> --Just - http://wiki.osgeo.org/wiki/Just_van_den_Broecke
> 
> Just van den Broecke  j...@justobjects.nl
> Just Objects B.V. tel +31 65 4268627 Skype: justb4
> The Netherlands   http://www.justobjects.nl
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
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Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] [OSGeo Elections 2015] Nomination for Kevin Smith

[Bart van den Eijnden]

Seconded!

Best regards,
Bart

> On 26 Aug 2015, at 11:36, Vasile Craciunescu  wrote:
> 
> Forwarding Kevin Smith nomination by Jody Garnett.
> 
> Best regards,
> Vasile
> 
> 
>  Forwarded Message 
> Subject: Nomination for Kevin Smith
> Date: Tue, 25 Aug 2015 03:20:18 -0700
> From: Jody Garnett 
> To: Vasile Crăciunescu 
> 
> I would like to nominate Kevin Smith who is the project lead for the
> GeoWebCache project. Kevin offers a kind, knowledgable assistance to GWC
> users, and has been great at cross project communication with the GeoTools
> and GeoServer communities.
> 
> If you get a chance to hear him present you will find a charming creative
> take on map making [2].
> --
> Jody Garnett
> 
> [1] http://geowebcache.org/
> [2] https://plus.google.com/+KevinSmithGeographyNerd
> 
> 
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Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] [OSGeo Elections 2015] Nomination for Gert-Jan

[Bart van den Eijnden]

Seconded.

I’ve been impressed with what Gert-Jan has achieved in the Dutch local chapter. 
I appreciate his positive critical view on things.

Best regards,
Bart

> On 25 Aug 2015, at 14:39, Vasile Craciunescu  wrote:
> 
> Forwarding Gert-Jan van der Weijden nomination by Till Adams.
> 
> Best regards,
> Vasile
> 
> 
>  Forwarded Message 
> Subject: Gert-Jan - nomination as a charter member
> Date: Mon, 24 Aug 2015 08:11:48 +0200
> From: Till Adams 
> To: c...@osgeo.org
> CC: Till Adams 
> 
> Hereby I nomiante Gert-Jan van der Weijden as a new charter member.
> 
> Contact-Email:
> gert-...@osgeo.nl
> 
> Why?
> Over the last 3 years Gert-Jan is heavy involved in the Dutch local
> chapter (www.osgeo.nl).
> He was a member of the local organizing committee for the Dutch
> "osgeo.nl"-day in 2012, 2013 and is once again some for the upcoming
> 2015 event in November. He is also involved in the local organizing
> committee for FOSS4G-2016.  Since 2013 Gert-Jan is chair of the Dutch
> local chapter. Gert-Jan is especially interested in broadening the
> outreach of open source geospatial.
> He earns his money as a consultant for the Dutch ICT service provider
> Ordina.
> 
> 
> 
> _Best regards, Till
> 
> 
> -- 
> NEWS:
> 
> -> GeoExt3 - ExtJs  und OpenLayers 3
> -> SHOGun - das WebMapping Framework
> 
> 
> terrestris GmbH & Co. KG
> Puetzchens Chaussee 56
> 53227 Bonn
> Germany
> 
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> Geschaeftsfuehrung
> 
> Tel:+49 (0)228 / 962 899-52
> Mobile: +49 (0)151 / 2539 4429
> Fax:+49 (0)228 / 962 899-57
> Skype:  tilladams
> 
> ad...@terrestris.de
> http://www.terrestris.de
> Amtsgericht Bonn, HRA 6835
> 
> 
> Komplementaerin:
> 
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> 
> vertreten durch:
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> 
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Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] Should we consider all the Americas for FOSS4G2017 Conference?

[Bart van den Eijnden]

This is also a competition question I think.

Does South-America want to compete in the same bidding round as USA and Canada 
etc., or do they rather compete with Africa, Middle-East, Asia, Australia etc.?

Best regards,
Bart

> On 08 Jul 2015, at 14:45, Ian Turton  wrote:
> 
> Following a brief twitter discussion - Jeff suggested I raise the idea here.
> 
> Now that we have FOSS4g-NA as a regular conference should we consider opening 
> up the "third" location in our conference rotation to be Americas - i.e. 
> North and South America instead of lumping South America in with Asia and the 
> Pacific (or the anywhere else group)?
> 
> I can understand the thinking back in 2010 but I know there are now large 
> groups in Brazil and the Spanish language group is active in South America 
> too. 
> 
> Ian
> 
> -- 
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Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] Code of Conduct in Real Case

[Bart van den Eijnden]

Hi Charlie,

I actually get your point of view, and tend to agree with it.

Best regards,
Bart

> On 24 Jun 2015, at 13:42, Charles Schweik  wrote:
> 
> OK, I raised the question of appropriate content to Jeff after I looked at 
> the FOSS4G website for a reference for a grant proposal I am writing at a 
> time when I was thinking specifically about diversity recruitment to 
> GeoForAll. 
> 
> By asking Jeff about it offline, I was raising the question that those slides 
> could turn some women off who are considering attending and I think those 
> kinds of signals are moving the community the wrong direction, and that 
> perhaps the author should consider this. I raised this because I have been in 
> conferences where I've witnessed women being offended by things happening on 
> stage and I think as a community we want to be sensitive to this since we are 
> hopeful for more women to become engaged in FOSS4G.
> 
> From my eye going through the slides, I didn't understand (and still don't) 
> why zoom in on the Dali image needed to be on the slideshow. After a more 
> careful examination -- that other viewers won't likely do -- I see that the 
> first slide is an enlargement of part of that painting and then a second 
> picture of it hanging in some building, under the group heading of 'Seoul is 
> far away.' I still don't get why the enlargement is needed... but perhaps 
> that is just me. But I think I am still right -- some women might be turned 
> off to the conference by that zoom-in. 
> 
> Sangee, your explanation of the side of the female models is helpful. But 
> some people around the world will not understand it or misinterpret its 
> meaning or why it is there. The 'Culture' heading helps I suppose. So at 
> least consider having something on those slides explaining to readers what 
> they represent better than they do currently. 
> 
> I'll close by saying, with all due respect to Sanghee and the others in this 
> community who disagree with me, is that if you are trying to encourage people 
> to come, and especially if your email footer says 'Towards Diversity' as a 
> goal of the conference, then the 'Precautionary Principle' might be wise to 
> follow. If I was doing the advertising to recruit people, I'd be conservative 
> and wouldn't put up imagery that could turn off potential attendees.
> 
> I'm not advocating any kind of censorship here, and I am not judging whether 
> a COC is necessary or not. I just was simply raising a concern about 
> underlying or subtle messages embedded in a 'commercial' being used to 
> recruit people to our global conference. 
> 
> It appears that others disagree with this view. 
> 
> Charlie Schweik 
>   
> 
> On Wed, Jun 24, 2015 at 11:35 AM, Pedro-Juan Ferrer Matoses 
> mailto:pfer...@osgeo.org>> wrote:
> Hello Sanghee,
> 
> > I was asked to remove a few slides from my presentation "7 Reasons why you 
> > should come to FOSS4G 2015 Seoul”[1], which is at the main page of FOSS4G 
> > Seoul, as being possibly offensive to women. Specifically to say, slide #6 
> > (nude female in painting) and slide #20 (row of female models) are those 
> > controversial ones.
> 
> I'd like to have a little bit more of context to make up my mind
> 
> * Who asked to remove the slides?
> 
> * Is «being possibily offensive to women» the only reason it was given to you?
> 
> On the other hand, obviously you have you own reasons to keep the
> slides, but those reasons are not clear in the presentation because it
> lacks of... well, it lacks of someone *explaining* what are we seeing.
> 
> May be a less-dependant-on-someone-explaining-presentation is more
> suitable for being in the landing page of the Conference.
> 
> But this is just my POV.
> 
> Best regards,
> --
> Pedro-Juan Ferrer Matoses
> Valencia (España)
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> 
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> 
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> Dept of Environmental Conservation and Center for Public Policy and 
> Administration
> 
> Personal website: http://people.umass.edu/cschweik 
> 
> Publications: http://works.bepress.com/charles_schweik/ 
> 
> 
> Author, Internet Success: A Study of Open Source Software (MIT Press, 2012) - 
> see http://tinyurl.com/d3e4545 
> 
> 
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Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] election process

[Bart van den Eijnden]

Hi Bob,

I agree with your assessment.

Maybe last year’s statistics can shed some light on your questions? 
http://wiki.osgeo.org/wiki/Election_2014_detailed_results 
<http://wiki.osgeo.org/wiki/Election_2014_detailed_results>

Best regards,
Bart

> On 22 Jun 2015, at 20:42, Bruce, Bob (CWS)  wrote:
> 
> This proposal of requiring over 50% of charter members voting yes seems 
> extraordinarily onerous. Most of our elected officials in Canada would never 
> get elected under that rule. Without knowing what % of charter members 
> typically vote in the elections I cannot comment on what I think that the 
> appropriate % is, and I wonder if a required per cent is even required, if 
> more vote Yes than No and a quorum is achieved then why not declare them 
> elected?
>  
> Bob Bruce
> Winnipeg, Manitoba
>  
> From: discuss-boun...@lists.osgeo.org 
> <mailto:discuss-boun...@lists.osgeo.org> 
> [mailto:discuss-boun...@lists.osgeo.org 
> <mailto:discuss-boun...@lists.osgeo.org>] On Behalf Of Bart van den Eijnden
> Sent: June-22-15 1:32 PM
> To: OSGeo Discussions
> Subject: [OSGeo-Discuss] election process
>  
> Hi everyone,
>  
> currently there is some discussion on the board list that really belongs on 
> the general discuss list. Cameron has put a summary in an e-mail which got 
> sent to the wrong list (OGC TC discuss instead of OSGeo discuss), I’m 
> forwarding it below as a starting point for discussion.
>  
> Basically the question is how should we determine who gets elected and who 
> not? Currently there is a proposal to raise the threshold from 5 to 50%, but 
> two board members (including myself) have already voted -1 on this proposal, 
> main reason being that we don’t know the opinion of the broader community on 
> this.
>  
> The board discussion is unfortunately scattered over multiple threads with 
> titles like:
>  
> motions from June 18 meeting - making OSGeo Charter membership more exclusive
> motions from June 18 meeting
>  
> http://lists.osgeo.org/pipermail/board/2015-June/thread.html 
> <http://lists.osgeo.org/pipermail/board/2015-June/thread.html>
>  
> Best regards,
> Bart
> 
> 
> Begin forwarded message:
>  
> From: Cameron Shorter  <mailto:cameron.shor...@gmail.com>>
> Subject: Re: [Board] motions from June 18 meeting - making OSGeo Charter 
> membership more exclusive
> Date: 20 Jun 2015 01:59:56 CEST
> To: bo...@lists.osgeo.org <mailto:bo...@lists.osgeo.org>, "Discuss, TC" 
>  <mailto:tc-disc...@lists.opengeospatial.org>>
>  
> OSGeo board,
> As an OSGeo Charter member, I request that the following motion (see below) 
> not be passed without first discussing publicly on the OSGeo Discuss email 
> list.
> 
> The current process for joining OSGeo Charter Membership [2] was specifically 
> refined to be more inclusive than before, in order to make it easy for all 
> passionate people within the OSGeo community to join, while aiming to protect 
> against the now relatively unlikely possibility of a hostile takeover.
> 
> Based on the proposal below, 11 out of 64 of last years successful 
> nominations would be rejected under the  proposed new rules. I suggest this 
> is not in OSGeo's interests.
> 
> It is possible that some of these 11 people are not very involved in OSGeo, 
> and maybe haven't contributed much since being nominated, but is that a bad 
> thing? Have any of these 11 people been actively detrimental to OSGeo while 
> being an OSGeo Charter member? Note, the only official duty of a charter 
> member is to vote for the board. However, being recognised as a charter 
> member is useful for many of our members looking to gain OSGeo credibility, 
> such as when presenting at conferences.
> 
> If we are more inclusive, and add 10 new non-active/non-disruptive OSGeo 
> Charter members, then I'd argue that it is worth it for the 1 passionate 
> Charter member we also gain.
> 
> I remember a quote from Jeff which rang true with me, and which I think is 
> applicable here:
> 
> "I once heard an interview with a legendary lead singer of a band, who said 
> his goal each concert was to make the kid sitting in the very back row to 
> feel like he's as much a part of the concert as the kid sitting in the front 
> row, and this is exactly how I focus my community work for OSGeo."
> http://lists.osgeo.org/pipermail/discuss/2014-August/013498.html 
> <http://lists.osgeo.org/pipermail/discuss/2014-August/013498.html>
> 
> Warm regards, Cameron Shorter
> 
> On 20/06/2015 5:29 am, Vasile Craciunescu wrote:
> 
> Dear all, 
> 
> Please also vote for motion below. 
> 
> 5) For the new charter membe

[OSGeo-Discuss] election process

[Bart van den Eijnden]

Hi everyone,

currently there is some discussion on the board list that really belongs on the 
general discuss list. Cameron has put a summary in an e-mail which got sent to 
the wrong list (OGC TC discuss instead of OSGeo discuss), I’m forwarding it 
below as a starting point for discussion.

Basically the question is how should we determine who gets elected and who not? 
Currently there is a proposal to raise the threshold from 5 to 50%, but two 
board members (including myself) have already voted -1 on this proposal, main 
reason being that we don’t know the opinion of the broader community on this.

The board discussion is unfortunately scattered over multiple threads with 
titles like:

motions from June 18 meeting - making OSGeo Charter membership more exclusive
motions from June 18 meeting

http://lists.osgeo.org/pipermail/board/2015-June/thread.html

Best regards,
Bart

> Begin forwarded message:
> 
> From: Cameron Shorter 
> Subject: Re: [Board] motions from June 18 meeting - making OSGeo Charter 
> membership more exclusive
> Date: 20 Jun 2015 01:59:56 CEST
> To: bo...@lists.osgeo.org, "Discuss, TC" 
> 
> OSGeo board,
> As an OSGeo Charter member, I request that the following motion (see below) 
> not be passed without first discussing publicly on the OSGeo Discuss email 
> list.
> 
> The current process for joining OSGeo Charter Membership [2] was specifically 
> refined to be more inclusive than before, in order to make it easy for all 
> passionate people within the OSGeo community to join, while aiming to protect 
> against the now relatively unlikely possibility of a hostile takeover.
> 
> Based on the proposal below, 11 out of 64 of last years successful 
> nominations would be rejected under the  proposed new rules. I suggest this 
> is not in OSGeo's interests.
> 
> It is possible that some of these 11 people are not very involved in OSGeo, 
> and maybe haven't contributed much since being nominated, but is that a bad 
> thing? Have any of these 11 people been actively detrimental to OSGeo while 
> being an OSGeo Charter member? Note, the only official duty of a charter 
> member is to vote for the board. However, being recognised as a charter 
> member is useful for many of our members looking to gain OSGeo credibility, 
> such as when presenting at conferences.
> 
> If we are more inclusive, and add 10 new non-active/non-disruptive OSGeo 
> Charter members, then I'd argue that it is worth it for the 1 passionate 
> Charter member we also gain.
> 
> I remember a quote from Jeff which rang true with me, and which I think is 
> applicable here:
> 
> "I once heard an interview with a legendary lead singer of a band, who said 
> his goal each concert was to make the kid sitting in the very back row to 
> feel like he's as much a part of the concert as the kid sitting in the front 
> row, and this is exactly how I focus my community work for OSGeo."
> http://lists.osgeo.org/pipermail/discuss/2014-August/013498.html 
> 
> 
> Warm regards, Cameron Shorter
> 
> On 20/06/2015 5:29 am, Vasile Craciunescu wrote:
>> Dear all, 
>> 
>> Please also vote for motion below. 
>> 
>> 5) For the new charter members elections, change the threshold of required 
>> YES votes of charter members from 5% to 50%. See Jeff's e-mail [1] for 
>> detailed explanations and the rationale of this change. If needed, also 
>> check the Membership Process [2]. 
>> 
>> My vote is +1. 
>> 
>> Best, 
>> Vasile 
>> 
>> [1] http://lists.osgeo.org/pipermail/board/2015-May/012863.html 
>>  
>> [2] http://wiki.osgeo.org/wiki/Membership_Process 
>> 
> 
> On 26/05/2015 2:18 am, Jeff McKenna wrote:
>> 3. Decide on 2015 Selection Process 
>> --- 
>> 
>> To refresh everyone's memory, last year we (Board) modified the selection 
>> process[3] for Charter members; but in my opinion we made a mistake with the 
>> voting change of "Each candidate with more YES votes than NO votes, and 
>> greater than 5% of voting charter members voting YES for them, will be 
>> included as new charter members." 
>> 
>> What I saw was, for the first time in OSGeo history, strategic nominations 
>> by certain projects, for relatively unknown community members; the result 
>> was that all 64 nominations were accepted as Charter members. 
>> 
>> For 2015, I am proposing we make 1 change, instead of the 5% acceptance, 
>> change that to 50% or greater voting YES.   Such as: 
>> 
>> *** 
>> Each candidate with more YES votes than NO votes, and greater than or equal 
>> to 50% of voting charter members voting YES for them, will be included as 
>> new charter members. 
>> *** 
>> 
>> I have checked the 2014 results again, and with those new 50% rules, we 
>> would have accepted 45 nominations versus all 64 nominations.  I believe 
>> this is much better. 
>> 
>> 

Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] New incubation procedure

[Bart van den Eijnden]

Or you’re saying you want to address this with the stars system? So 1 star for 
existing labs projects for instance?

Jody, as chair of the incubation committee, what’s your take on this?

Best regards,
Bart

> On 05 Mar 2015, at 11:51, Bart van den Eijnden  wrote:
> 
> I don’t think you can put projects that have gone through incubation and the 
> projects that still have to incubate at the same level. But that’s my opinion 
> only.
> 
> Best regards,
> Bart
> 
>> On 05 Mar 2015, at 11:18, Jachym Cepicky > <mailto:jachym.cepi...@gmail.com>> wrote:
>> 
>> Guys, 
>> 
>> I think you are trying to find a term for something, I would like to get rid 
>> of. "OSGeo Project" is, what I would like to achieve for both - today's 
>> projects and labs together under one hat.
>> 
>> Or anybody thinks completely different?
>> 
>> Just my $.02
>> J 
>> 
>> čt 5. 3. 2015 v 9:08 odesílatel Suchith Anand 
>> mailto:suchith.an...@nottingham.ac.uk>> 
>> napsal:
>> Yes, i think "Incubator Projects" is an appropriate name for this.
>> 
>> Vaclav - Is this ok for you?
>> 
>> Suchith
>> 
>> From: Bart van den Eijnden [bart...@osgis.nl <mailto:bart...@osgis.nl>]
>> Sent: Thursday, March 05, 2015 7:34 AM
>> To: Vaclav Petras
>> Cc: Suchith Anand; discuss@lists.osgeo.org <mailto:discuss@lists.osgeo.org>
>> Subject: Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] New incubation procedure
>> 
>> I agree Community Projects is a confusing name.
>> 
>> What about incubator projects? That’s the term that Apache uses.
>> 
>> http://incubator.apache.org <http://incubator.apache.org/>
>> 
>> Best regards,
>> Bart
>> 
>> On 04 Mar 2015, at 23:25, Vaclav Petras > <mailto:wenzesl...@gmail.com><mailto:wenzesl...@gmail.com 
>> <mailto:wenzesl...@gmail.com>>> wrote:
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> On Tue, Mar 3, 2015 at 10:14 AM, Suchith Anand 
>> > <mailto:suchith.an...@nottingham.ac.uk><mailto:suchith.an...@nottingham.ac.uk
>>  <mailto:suchith.an...@nottingham.ac.uk>>> wrote:
>> Thanks Jeff.
>> 
>> Though we had lots of discussions afterwards and continuing on this , we 
>> couldnt find any solution till now. So this might be a good opportunity  to 
>> modify the Incubation's "labs" term, to something like "Community Projects" 
>> to avoid confusion if that is acceptable to Vaclav, Jachym and others. Many 
>> thanks.
>> 
>> Well, I'm not particularly fond of "Community Projects" as a name. Even 
>> mature FOSS projects are community projects in one way or the other. 
>> Unfortunately, I don't have other suggestion.
>> 
>> Vaclav
>> 
>> Suchith
>> 
>> 
>> From: discuss-boun...@lists.osgeo.org 
>> <mailto:discuss-boun...@lists.osgeo.org><mailto:discuss-boun...@lists.osgeo.org
>>  <mailto:discuss-boun...@lists.osgeo.org>> [discuss-boun...@lists.osgeo.org 
>> <mailto:discuss-boun...@lists.osgeo.org><mailto:discuss-boun...@lists.osgeo.org
>>  <mailto:discuss-boun...@lists.osgeo.org>>] On Behalf Of Jeff McKenna 
>> [jmcke...@gatewaygeomatics.com 
>> <mailto:jmcke...@gatewaygeomatics.com><mailto:jmcke...@gatewaygeomatics.com 
>> <mailto:jmcke...@gatewaygeomatics.com>>]
>> Sent: Tuesday, March 03, 2015 2:26 PM
>> To: discuss@lists.osgeo.org 
>> <mailto:discuss@lists.osgeo.org><mailto:discuss@lists.osgeo.org 
>> <mailto:discuss@lists.osgeo.org>>
>> Subject: Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] New incubation procedure
>> 
>> (we are approaching 2 full years that this "labs" naming has been an
>> issue and discussed[1])
>> 
>> Today, knowing how ingrained the term 'lab' is in the GeoForAll
>> education network, maybe Jachym is correct that it is a good time to
>> modify the Incubation's "labs" term, to something like "Community
>> Projects".
>> 
>> [1] http://lists.osgeo.org/pipermail/ica-osgeo-labs/2013-June/000134.html 
>> <http://lists.osgeo.org/pipermail/ica-osgeo-labs/2013-June/000134.html>
>> 
>> -jeff
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> On 2015-03-03 3:42 AM, Suchith Anand wrote:
>> > Vaclav,
>> >
>> > Please accept my sincere apologies as it was my mistake that i did not 
>> > think on this  when we started the ICA-OSGeo Labs initiative (so many 
>> > t

Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] New incubation procedure

[Bart van den Eijnden]

I don’t think you can put projects that have gone through incubation and the 
projects that still have to incubate at the same level. But that’s my opinion 
only.

Best regards,
Bart

> On 05 Mar 2015, at 11:18, Jachym Cepicky  wrote:
> 
> Guys, 
> 
> I think you are trying to find a term for something, I would like to get rid 
> of. "OSGeo Project" is, what I would like to achieve for both - today's 
> projects and labs together under one hat.
> 
> Or anybody thinks completely different?
> 
> Just my $.02
> J 
> 
> čt 5. 3. 2015 v 9:08 odesílatel Suchith Anand  <mailto:suchith.an...@nottingham.ac.uk>> napsal:
> Yes, i think "Incubator Projects" is an appropriate name for this.
> 
> Vaclav - Is this ok for you?
> 
> Suchith
> 
> From: Bart van den Eijnden [bart...@osgis.nl <mailto:bart...@osgis.nl>]
> Sent: Thursday, March 05, 2015 7:34 AM
> To: Vaclav Petras
> Cc: Suchith Anand; discuss@lists.osgeo.org <mailto:discuss@lists.osgeo.org>
> Subject: Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] New incubation procedure
> 
> I agree Community Projects is a confusing name.
> 
> What about incubator projects? That’s the term that Apache uses.
> 
> http://incubator.apache.org <http://incubator.apache.org/>
> 
> Best regards,
> Bart
> 
> On 04 Mar 2015, at 23:25, Vaclav Petras  <mailto:wenzesl...@gmail.com><mailto:wenzesl...@gmail.com 
> <mailto:wenzesl...@gmail.com>>> wrote:
> 
> 
> 
> On Tue, Mar 3, 2015 at 10:14 AM, Suchith Anand 
>  <mailto:suchith.an...@nottingham.ac.uk><mailto:suchith.an...@nottingham.ac.uk 
> <mailto:suchith.an...@nottingham.ac.uk>>> wrote:
> Thanks Jeff.
> 
> Though we had lots of discussions afterwards and continuing on this , we 
> couldnt find any solution till now. So this might be a good opportunity  to 
> modify the Incubation's "labs" term, to something like "Community Projects" 
> to avoid confusion if that is acceptable to Vaclav, Jachym and others. Many 
> thanks.
> 
> Well, I'm not particularly fond of "Community Projects" as a name. Even 
> mature FOSS projects are community projects in one way or the other. 
> Unfortunately, I don't have other suggestion.
> 
> Vaclav
> 
> Suchith
> 
> 
> From: discuss-boun...@lists.osgeo.org 
> <mailto:discuss-boun...@lists.osgeo.org><mailto:discuss-boun...@lists.osgeo.org
>  <mailto:discuss-boun...@lists.osgeo.org>> [discuss-boun...@lists.osgeo.org 
> <mailto:discuss-boun...@lists.osgeo.org><mailto:discuss-boun...@lists.osgeo.org
>  <mailto:discuss-boun...@lists.osgeo.org>>] On Behalf Of Jeff McKenna 
> [jmcke...@gatewaygeomatics.com 
> <mailto:jmcke...@gatewaygeomatics.com><mailto:jmcke...@gatewaygeomatics.com 
> <mailto:jmcke...@gatewaygeomatics.com>>]
> Sent: Tuesday, March 03, 2015 2:26 PM
> To: discuss@lists.osgeo.org 
> <mailto:discuss@lists.osgeo.org><mailto:discuss@lists.osgeo.org 
> <mailto:discuss@lists.osgeo.org>>
> Subject: Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] New incubation procedure
> 
> (we are approaching 2 full years that this "labs" naming has been an
> issue and discussed[1])
> 
> Today, knowing how ingrained the term 'lab' is in the GeoForAll
> education network, maybe Jachym is correct that it is a good time to
> modify the Incubation's "labs" term, to something like "Community
> Projects".
> 
> [1] http://lists.osgeo.org/pipermail/ica-osgeo-labs/2013-June/000134.html 
> <http://lists.osgeo.org/pipermail/ica-osgeo-labs/2013-June/000134.html>
> 
> -jeff
> 
> 
> 
> 
> On 2015-03-03 3:42 AM, Suchith Anand wrote:
> > Vaclav,
> >
> > Please accept my sincere apologies as it was my mistake that i did not 
> > think on this  when we started the ICA-OSGeo Labs initiative (so many 
> > things were going on at that time!).
> >
> > In universities, we generally use the "Labs" term to refer to 
> > infrastructure/people/facilities for a particular subject. For example 
> > Botany Lab, Robotics Lab etc. And we wanted to make sure there is a 
> > dedicated Open Source Geospatial Lab in universities worldwide  (which 
> > includes bringing together people from various disciplines, infrastructure 
> > (the physical space) and facilities to make this happen. Also it is easier 
> > to make use of the same terminology/structure of "Labs" which is widely 
> > used in the university environment to get academics start the initiative in 
> > their respective universitie

Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] New incubation procedure

[Bart van den Eijnden]

I agree Community Projects is a confusing name.

What about incubator projects? That’s the term that Apache uses.

http://incubator.apache.org 

Best regards,
Bart

> On 04 Mar 2015, at 23:25, Vaclav Petras  wrote:
> 
> 
> 
> On Tue, Mar 3, 2015 at 10:14 AM, Suchith Anand 
> mailto:suchith.an...@nottingham.ac.uk>> 
> wrote:
> Thanks Jeff.
> 
> Though we had lots of discussions afterwards and continuing on this , we 
> couldnt find any solution till now. So this might be a good opportunity  to 
> modify the Incubation's "labs" term, to something like "Community Projects" 
> to avoid confusion if that is acceptable to Vaclav, Jachym and others. Many 
> thanks.
> 
> Well, I'm not particularly fond of "Community Projects" as a name. Even 
> mature FOSS projects are community projects in one way or the other. 
> Unfortunately, I don't have other suggestion.
> 
> Vaclav
>  
> Suchith
> 
> 
> From: discuss-boun...@lists.osgeo.org 
>  [discuss-boun...@lists.osgeo.org 
> ] On Behalf Of Jeff McKenna 
> [jmcke...@gatewaygeomatics.com ]
> Sent: Tuesday, March 03, 2015 2:26 PM
> To: discuss@lists.osgeo.org 
> Subject: Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] New incubation procedure
> 
> (we are approaching 2 full years that this "labs" naming has been an
> issue and discussed[1])
> 
> Today, knowing how ingrained the term 'lab' is in the GeoForAll
> education network, maybe Jachym is correct that it is a good time to
> modify the Incubation's "labs" term, to something like "Community
> Projects".
> 
> [1] http://lists.osgeo.org/pipermail/ica-osgeo-labs/2013-June/000134.html 
> 
> 
> -jeff
> 
> 
> 
> 
> On 2015-03-03 3:42 AM, Suchith Anand wrote:
> > Vaclav,
> >
> > Please accept my sincere apologies as it was my mistake that i did not 
> > think on this  when we started the ICA-OSGeo Labs initiative (so many 
> > things were going on at that time!).
> >
> > In universities, we generally use the "Labs" term to refer to 
> > infrastructure/people/facilities for a particular subject. For example 
> > Botany Lab, Robotics Lab etc. And we wanted to make sure there is a 
> > dedicated Open Source Geospatial Lab in universities worldwide  (which 
> > includes bringing together people from various disciplines, infrastructure 
> > (the physical space) and facilities to make this happen. Also it is easier 
> > to make use of the same terminology/structure of "Labs" which is widely 
> > used in the university environment to get academics start the initiative in 
> > their respective universities (also it is easier for them to convince their 
> > higher management on a structure that is known to them than reinvent a new 
> > term for this) .
> >
> > So it will very helpful for us if you can make use of new "OSGeo-projects" 
> > and metioned star (or similar) rating system for the incubation as then 
> > there is no confusion in the future. Many thanks for your consideration.
> >
> > Best wishes,
> >
> > Suchith
> >
> > 
> > From: discuss-boun...@lists.osgeo.org 
> >  [discuss-boun...@lists.osgeo.org 
> > ] On Behalf Of Jachym Cepicky 
> > [jachym.cepi...@gmail.com ]
> > Sent: Tuesday, March 03, 2015 7:27 AM
> > To: Vaclav Petras
> > Cc: OSGeo Discussions; incuba...@lists.osgeo.org 
> > 
> > Subject: Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] New incubation procedure
> >
> > Vašku,
> >
> > just side note: yes, whith the new "Labs" initiative "OSGeo-Labs" have to 
> > change their name.
> >
> > My idea would rather be to get rid of current OSGeo- "labs" and "projects" 
> > and start with new "OSGeo-projects" and metioned star (or similar) rating 
> > system.
> >
> > Than for current OSGeo-Labs "OSGeo-project level 1" would make it (or 
> > similar)
> >
> > Jachym
> >
> > po 2. 3. 2015 v 18:33 odesílatel Vaclav Petras  >  > >> napsal:
> >
> > On Mon, Feb 16, 2015 at 6:44 AM, Jachym Cepicky  >  > >> wrote:
> > former "OSGeo Labs" (now it has no name is slowly forgotten in past, but 
> > you can find more at http://wiki.osgeo.org/wiki/OSGeo_Labs 
> > )
> >
> > Hi Jachym,
> >
> > do you think that with the renewal you can replace the name "OSGeo Labs" by 
> > something else? Now we have also ISPRS-ICA-OSGeo Research and Educational 
> > laboratories which might be often shortened to OSGeo Labs, although I 
> > prefer OSGeoRELs for writing. The mainling list is ica-osgeo-labs. Put 
> > 

Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] I need anyone help : Korean Daum Map Mapfish print using GeoExt2

[Bart van den Eijnden]

This is not the correct place to ask, try: 
http://www.geoext.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/users instead.

Best regards,
Bart

On 08 Dec 2014, at 05:32, 서경섭  wrote:

> Hello everyone,
> 
>  
> I am studying mapfish print.
> 
> I used to Daum Street map of OpenLayers.
> 
> (OpenLayers.Layer.DaumStreet.js file is attached)
> 
> I was succeeded to view daum map.
> 
> But I don't know how to print map using mapfish print.
> 
> I study GeoExt2 print-extent and print-form but I fail to print daum map.
> 
>  
> I don't understand how to make the spec of print.pdf protocol.
> 
> Daum has 4 urls. 
> "http://i0.maps.daum-img.net/map/image/G03/i/1.20/L${z}/${y}/${x}.png";,
> 
>   
> "http://i1.maps.daum-img.net/map/image/G03/i/1.20/L${z}/${y}/${x}.png";,
> 
>   
> "http://i2.maps.daum-img.net/map/image/G03/i/1.20/L${z}/${y}/${x}.png";,
> 
>   
> "http://i3.maps.daum-img.net/map/image/G03/i/1.20/L${z}/${y}/${x}.png";
> 
> I don't know which url is baseURL.
> 
> I don't how how to set baseURL or url.
> 
>  
> Maybe type : "xyz" ???
> 
> Leaflet use type "TMS" I know.
> 
>  
> I want to see sample spec to use type "XYZ".
> 
> or  in case of tile map service using multiple URL.
> 
>  
> I need your help, please.
> 
> Thanks in advance.
> 
> 
>  
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Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] Map definition services

[Bart van den Eijnden]

OWS Context was the successor of Web Map Context and is more flexible.

http://www.opengeospatial.org/standards/owc

Best regards,
Bart

On 05 Dec 2014, at 16:11, Pieter De Graef  wrote:

> Hi everyone,
> 
> for a while now the Geomajas project has the ability to configure maps and 
> layers in a Java environment for a web client to make use of. Currently this 
> is done through a web service in the form of a command pattern based on GWT 
> RPC.
> 
> Lately there have been discussions to make such a service more accessible to 
> other technologies. In this regard I am searching for standards or proposals 
> or perhaps other projects that have similar ideas. I have stumbled upon the 
> Web Map Context, which seems a bit limited. I have also been studying the 
> ESRI GeoServices REST API, which seems like too much work and too specific.
> 
> So, I am hoping anyone here might have some ideas or links that could help us 
> out in our search. The scope would be mainly a CRUD service for map 
> definitions. This could at a later moment be extended to include more layer 
> or feature services.
> 
> 
> Kind regards,
> 
> Pieter De Graef
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Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] open-source WCS client apps available

[Bart van den Eijnden]

Hey Peter,

when you say “new" I was a bit surprised to see the code was last updated mid 
2013. What’s the story with that?

Best regards,
Bart

On 29 Oct 2014, at 19:19, Peter Baumann  wrote:

> Hi coveragists,
> 
> thought I share this with you, there are new mobile WCS clients available, 
> established in EU EarthServer (www.earthserver.eu) by COMETA under an open 
> source regime:
> 
> - native Android app:  
> Google Play: 
> https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=it.infn.ct.earthserverSGmobile 
> source: 
> http://sourceforge.net/p/ctsciencegtwys/mobile/14/tree/trunk/Android/EarthServerSGMobile/
> To check out src code: 
> svn checkout  
> svn://svn.code.sf.net/p/ctsciencegtwys/mobile/trunk/Android/EarthServerSGMobile
>  EarthServerSGMobile
> 
> - Appcelerator Titanium app built for iOS:  
> App Store: 
> https://itunes.apple.com/us/app/earthserver-sg-mobile/id740603213?ls=1&mt=8 
> source: 
> http://sourceforge.net/p/ctsciencegtwys/mobile/15/tree/trunk/iOS/EarthServer-SG-Mobile/
> To check out src code: 
> svn checkout  
> svn://svn.code.sf.net/p/ctsciencegtwys/mobile/trunk/iOS/EarthServer-SG-Mobile 
> EarthServer-SG-Mobile
> 
> Roberto (on cc) can answer technical questions being leader of the 
> development team.
> 
> cheers,
> Peter
> 
> -- 
> Dr. Peter Baumann
>  - Professor of Computer Science, Jacobs University Bremen
>www.faculty.jacobs-university.de/pbaumann
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Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] projects mailing list

[Bart van den Eijnden]

I think I’d go with Marcus’s suggestions and create a proje...@osgeo.org list.

Bart

On 01 Oct 2014, at 08:38, Jachym Cepicky  wrote:

> Well, Jody, my point is, we should ask project contact points, to be
> reachable on some place, in case, we have something to share with
> them. Not sure, if board list is the right place - 90% of the mails
> are from projects point of view offtopic, but if all contact points
> are already here are following, I'm fine with that.
> 
> J
> 
> 2014-10-01 0:33 GMT+02:00 Jody Garnett :
>> I think project officers can sign up to the board list. Relationship between
>> project and OSGeo occurs via project officer.
>> 
>> Of course the number is small so they can be contacted individual at
>> present.
>> --
>> Jody
>> 
>> Jody Garnett
>> 
>> On Tue, Sep 30, 2014 at 1:29 PM, Jachym Cepicky 
>> wrote:
>>> 
>>> Hi,
>>> 
>>> when I tried to pass through osgeo incbution, subscription to
>>> incubation mailing lists seemed to be mandatory for all projects. It
>>> seems, nobody from current contact points of OSGeo projects is hanging
>>> on incubation mailing list.
>>> 
>>> I would more than welcome, to have single contact point for osgeo
>>> projects. Which place do you suggest, would be the best place for
>>> contacting all OSGeo projects (and projects in incubation) ?
>>> 
>>> Thanks
>>> 
>>> Jachym
>>> 
>>> --
>>> Jachym Cepicky
>>> e-mail: jachym.cepicky gmail com
>>> URL: http://les-ejk.cz
>>> GPG: http://les-ejk.cz/pgp/JachymCepicky.pgp
>>> 
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>> 
> 
> 
> 
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Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] [Board] Polling charter members

[Bart van den Eijnden]

Hey Jachym,

wasn’t Cameron referring specifically to what options we have to 
“professionalize” FOSS4G organising?

And you were talking more about OSGeo’s goals etc. ?

Also, I think it makes sense to create some content in a Wiki first, and use 
that content to create a questionnaire. It’s hard to create a good 
questionnaire from scratch if the solutions haven’t been discussed in detail 
and worked on by multiple people IMHO.

Best regards,
Bart

On 19 Sep 2014, at 08:02, Jachym Cepicky  wrote:

> I proposed to prepare Google forms for that in other thread. Could have IMHO 
> more valuable output
> 
> ?
> 
> J
> 
> Send from cellphone
> 
> -- 
> Jachym Cepicky
> e-mail: jachym.cepicky gmail com
> URL: http://les-ejk.cz
> GPG: http://les-ejk.cz/pgp/JachymCepicky.pgp
> 
> Give your code freedom with PyWPS -http://pywps.wald.intevation.org
> 
> On Sep 19, 2014 3:38 AM, "Cameron Shorter"  wrote:
> I'll volunteer to start a wiki collating options for the FOSS4G future, with 
> sections that people can add comments into.
> I should have something up for review and contributions within 24 hours.
> 
> On 18/09/2014 7:04 PM, Maria Antonia Brovelli wrote:
>> Dear All
>> I agree completely with Margherita. The most of people are asking themselves 
>> what it is happening.
>> Please who was and is involved, please write the history of what has 
>> happened on a wiki page. When the plot is finalised the charter members  
>> vote. 
>> Maria
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> Prof. Maria Antonia Brovelli
>> Vice Rector for Como Campus - Politecnico di Milano
>> 
>> Public Participation GIS: a FOSS architecture enabling field-data collection
>>  
>> http://www.tandfonline.com/doi/full/10.1080/17538947.2014.887150#.UwPVuIVnibF
>>  
>>  
>> ISPRS WG IV/5 "Web and Cloud Based Geospatial Services and Applications" - 
>> Co-chair - OSGeo Charter Member - ICA - OSGeo Advisory Board Member - SIFET 
>> Scientific Commitee Member
>>  
>> Via Natta, 12/14 - 22100 COMO (ITALIA)
>> Tel. +39-031-3327336 - Mob. +39-328-0023867 - fax. +39-031-3327321
>> e-mail1: maria.brove...@polimi.it
>> e-mail2: prorettr...@como.polimi.it
>>  
>> Da: discuss-boun...@lists.osgeo.org  per 
>> conto di Margherita Di Leo 
>> Inviato: giovedì 18 settembre 2014 10.13
>> A: Jachym Cepicky
>> Cc: ; conference; osgeo-board List; Steven Feldman
>> Oggetto: Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] [Board] Polling charter members
>>  
>> Dear All,
>> 
>> On Wed, Sep 17, 2014 at 10:51 PM, Jachym Cepicky  
>> wrote:
>> Just noting,
>> 
>> discussion about relationship between LocationTech and OSGeo is here
>> since 2012 (IIRC). That many people did not pain attention to it
>> (actually including myself up to certain time), is not fault of OSGeo
>> .. or LocationTech.
>> 
>> It's just actually boring topic. We are community of (mostly)
>> developers and users of FOSS4G (not conference, but software in this
>> case). This sounds like politics .. who would pay attention? So, now
>> we are here, things are happening, we can finally talk to whole
>> community, because of this IMHO *is* important topic - two big
>> organisations are trying to find a way, how to cooperate in the future
>> for better free and open source software for geospatial! This is good.
>> If for nothing else, then for clarifying OSGeo's position.
>> 
>> 
>> If anyone is wondering why most charter members remained silent about the 
>> topic, here i can offer my 2 cents..
>> It is true that this is a long story, but it's hard to find all the elements 
>> needed for judgement. I'd ask those that have personally followed the steps, 
>> to kindly fill a wiki page with the most important facts. Another thing is 
>> that, for those that couldn't make it at FOSS4G, it is (I believe) not easy 
>> to understand on what exactly the community of charter members is being 
>> called to express their opinion. What does it mean "to cooperate" and what 
>> does it imply for the organizations involved? Is it a case by case 
>> cooperation what you're talking about? why it looks like is the FOSS4G event 
>> at stake here?
>> 
>> Thanks for any pointers
>> 
>> 
>> -- 
>> Best regards,
>> 
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Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] Hacking OSGeo

[Bart van den Eijnden]

Hi Jurgen,

some of the discussions started on the conference e-mail list a while back 
(http://lists.osgeo.org/pipermail/conference_dev/) but only recently this 
discussion moved to the discuss list. That might explain some of the confusion.

I don’t think there is any information which is not out in the open as yet.

Andrew is best to comment on your other question, but I personally was mostly 
interested to see how conference organising could benefit from LocationTech’s 
offer to help.

No board decision has happened as yet. Normally after discussion settles in the 
community, the board might vote on specific motions that are brought to the 
table, but this step of the process has not yet been reached.

Hope this clarifies a bit, and sorry for the unsettling irritation all this has 
caused.

Best regards,
Bart

On 17 Sep 2014, at 10:21, Jürgen E. Fischer  wrote:

> Hi Bart,
> 
> On Wed, 17. Sep 2014 at 09:49:51 +0200, Bart van den Eijnden wrote:
>> can you please at least give the board a chance to form an opinion on this?
>> If it ever gets to the point that a motion is on the table and you have not
>> been persuaded, you can always vote -1.
> 
> Did an essential piece of information not get into the open yet, did I merely
> miss it or just missed to see it's importance?
> 
> Is it "just" the FOSS4G event organisation that LocationTech apparently wants
> to help (more?) with or is there more?
> 
> What pending board decision is causing all this (rather unsettling) 
> irritation?
> 
> 
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Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] Hacking OSGeo

[Bart van den Eijnden]

Hey Jeff,

can you please at least give the board a chance to form an opinion on this? If 
it ever gets to the point that a motion is on the table and you have not been 
persuaded, you can always vote -1.

I feel you’re prohibiting the discussions from happening at the board level at 
all with this kind of e-mail.

It’s essentially a board decision IMHO, not the decision of the president only.

Thanks for listening.

Best regards,
Bart

On 16 Sep 2014, at 16:38, Jeff McKenna  wrote:

> Hello everyone,
> 
> To clarify publicly, I have no problem with LocationTech, and in fact I feel 
> that its foundation plays an important role in our ecosystem.
> 
> The issue actually boils down to OSGeo's only event, FOSS4G.  We, as OSGeo, 
> present this event each year and it is a large part of our annual revenue.  
> It is very important to the OSGeo foundation, as it is our flagship event.
> 
> It was made clear to me that LocationTech is not interested in having their 
> own global event, and that they are in fact interested in our event, FOSS4G.
> 
> So maybe to remove this stress, or "fear", I would prefer to pull back on the 
> throttle, start with an MoU between the two foundations, and then begin to 
> share booths at events, or donate booths at each other's events.  In other 
> words, take baby steps, and build the relationship slowly, as we do with 
> every other foundation.
> 
> I apologize for not bringing this issue to the community sooner.  In fact 
> this all really came to a head in Portland, and you can see that now we must 
> deal with this all together.
> 
> I always try to represent the entire OSGeo community well, if you feel that I 
> have made mistakes please share this here with everyone.  I am here to 
> represent you.
> 
> The last few days have been very hard on me.
> 
> -jeff
> OSGeo President
> 
> 
> 
> 
> On 2014-09-16 11:01 AM, Andrew Ross wrote:
>> Dear All,
>> 
>> Discussions started informally back in 2011. By 2012, there were more
>> formal discussions ongoing including a face to face meeting with Michael
>> Gerlek who was appointed by the OSGeo board to represent OSGeo. I wanted
>> to say publicly that Michael's work was extremely professional and I was
>> very impressed.
>> 
>> I believe it's fair to say reaction was similar back then. Many people
>> saw many positives in working closely together. Some asked if the two
>> organizations could be one. Like today, there were some who were very
>> fearful. Those that supported working closely together felt it was best
>> not to push too hard. Discussions have continued since then over the
>> past 3-4 years focusing on specific collaboration on a case by case basis.
>> 
>> During that time, LocationTech has sponsored and its projects
>> participated in 2 FOSS4Gs. It was asked by an OSGeo board member to
>> organize FOSS4G NA 2015. It has provided discrete feedback to OSGeo
>> projects regarding intellectual property related issues in OSGeo
>> projects so they could be fixed. OSGeo projects were well represented on
>> the 2013 LocationTech tour and again in 2014. I hope these things are
>> seen as a significant positive force.
>> 
>> I would like to draw attention to the fact that LocationTech's growth
>> has not taken anything away from OSGeo. In fairness, building upon what
>> Steven Feldman eloquently put, the problems OSGeo faces are problems
>> today were faced before LocationTech existed, and since.
>> 
>> It's fair to say there is tension to collaborate more closely since the
>> strengths of OSGeo & LocationTech complement each other despite some
>> overlap. LocationTech & the Eclipse Foundation are *offering* to help
>> solve some of the problems we've been talking about in OSGeo for many
>> years. It's been 4 years and the offer hasn't been withdrawn nor really
>> pushed despite fearful attempts to portray it as otherwise.
>> 
>> Andrew
>> 
>> On 15/09/14 20:28, Venkatesh Raghavan wrote:
>>> On 9/16/2014 10:48 AM, Richard Greenwood wrote:
 I don't get it, and my question is moot at this point in time, but why do
 we need a new foundation? Why couldn't OSGeo have provided what
 LocationTech purports to provide? Was there any discussion, or awareness,
 in the OSGeo board prior to the formation of LocationTech?
>>> 
>>> Very pertinent questions form Rich. I hope we will receive some lucid
>>> answers.
>>> 
>>> Best
>>> 
>>> Venka
 Rich
 
 
 On Mon, Sep 15, 2014 at 4:18 PM, Jeff McKenna 
  wrote:
> Arnulf,
> 
> I definitely agree that both foundations fill a role and need to exist.
> 
> The point I am trying to make is that we have the power to change OSGeo,
> if we feel some needs are not being met well.
> 
> I used too strong of words again, I am sorry.
> 
> -jeff
> 
> 
> 
> 
> On 2014-09-15 2:59 PM, Arnulf Christl wrote:
> 
>> -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE-
>> Hash: SHA1
>> 
>> Jeff,
>> I believe that Dan

Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] Hacking OSGeo

[Bart van den Eijnden]

Why is this not true? I think you are misinterpreting here Jeff.

Membership in OSGeo is a single person. Yes this person can belong to a company 
or run their own company, but membership is still personal.

Bart

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> On 15 sep. 2014, at 19:45, Jeff McKenna  wrote:
> 
>> On 2014-09-15 1:22 PM, Daniel Morissette wrote:
>> the members in OSGeo are individuals and the members in
>> Eclipse/LocationTech are businesses
> 
> 
> Daniel this statement is not true, regarding OSGeo.  OSGeo members are made 
> up of all walks of life, and many are running private businesses all around 
> the world.  I have visited their organizations/offices myself in my FOSS4G 
> travels throughout the years.
> 
> However I cannot change how you feel.
> 
> This part is unfortunate, these strong statements made publicly, which I feel 
> are made to divide our community.
> 
> Let me reinforce: our OSGeo community and our FOSS4G events (of all sizes) 
> are geared for everyone and anyone, with no sole focus on one type of 
> community.  And as the President of OSGeo, I am happy to represent all of the 
> members, of any kind :)
> 
> -jeff
> 
> 
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Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] Hacking OSGeo

[Bart van den Eijnden]

Barend,

I’m talking about the “burn-out" signals that have been given recently by the 
current LOC (mostly because they have to re-invent the wheel every year and do 
a lot more than can be expected from them).

So IMHO organising it this way is not sustainable in the long run, past 
organisers will not come back for a second round. It simply has gotten too big 
to organise it this way.

There have been many related threads on the conference committee about this 
recently.

Sorry if my brief summary does not reflect all of those discussions.

Best regards,
Bart

On 14 Sep 2014, at 09:10,   wrote:

> What actually do you perceive to be the "problem with FOSS4G organising"?
> 
> I see it being a rather succesful, pretty large conference for the last
> two years, bringing in a substantial amount of income to OSGEO. One might
> perceive it as being "not the same as it used to be", but that is because
> size DOES matter, and once such a thing grows over a certain size (I guess
> around 700+ participants or so), you just cant have the "informal cosy
> event" that used to be...
> 
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> On 13-09-2014 23:51, "Bart van den Eijnden"  wrote:
> 
>> Okay then I have 2 follow-up questions for you and/or Jeff:
>> 
>> 1) do you acknowledge we have a problem with FOSS4G organising?
>> 
>> 2) what other solutions to this problem do you see and why are they
>> better than co-organising with Eclipse/LocationTech?
>> 
>> Bart
>> 
>> Sent from my iPhone
>> 
>>> On 14 sep. 2014, at 03:25, Venkatesh Raghavan
>>>  wrote:
>>> 
>>> Dear All,
>>> 
>>>> On 2014/09/14 0:11, Jeff McKenna wrote:
>>>> Responding to your comment, we now work closely with several
>>>> foundations (ISPRS, ICA, GLTN, and soon GSDI, are examples that I have
>>>> met with recently personally).
>>>> 
>>>> There does seem to be something different about the way LocationTech
>>>> is handing this, seems somewhat 'rushed' or 'forced', and I am not sure
>>>> why this pressure.  Maybe we can slow things down a bit, take the hand
>>>> off the throttle, sign an MoU, maybe have booths at each other's
>>>> events...similar to how OSGeo works already with these other
>>>> foundations.
>>> 
>>> I fully agree with views expressed by Jeff.
>>> I look forward growing collaborations with
>>> OSGeo and other international organizations
>>> in a systematic and orderly manner.
>>> 
>>> Best
>>> 
>>> Venka
>>>> 
>>>> We can talk about this shortly.
>>>> 
>>>> -jeff
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>>> On 2014-09-13 7:51 AM, Andrew Ross wrote:
>>>>> Dear Jeff, Everyone,
>>>>> 
>>>>> I'll drop in to help as well. I may be a little late as I promised my
>>>>> children a video chat. I apologize as I'd like to be there and help.
>>>>> 
>>>>> For what it's worth, regarding the tag line agenda item, OSGeo is far
>>>>> from the only open source community. Unaffiliated projects in Github
>>>>> can
>>>>> claim that for example. It might be better to aim for something a bit
>>>>> more distinct.
>>>>> 
>>>>> See you soon,
>>>>> 
>>>>> Andrew
>>>>> 
>>>>> On September 12, 2014 7:28:08 PM PDT, Jeff McKenna
>>>>>  wrote:
>>>>> 
>>>>>   For the record Arnulf forgot that the Board meeting starts at 8am
>>>>> at the
>>>>>   same location, discussing of course the exact topics that he
>>>>> mentioned
>>>>>   (http://wiki.osgeo.org/wiki/Board_Meeting_2014-09-13).  But please
>>>>> don't
>>>>>   let me hinder your energy, definitely tackle the areas that need
>>>>> love
>>>>>   (reviving the marketting committee, picking your favorite project
>>>>> in
>>>>>   incubation and give some nudges...lots to do!)
>>>>> 
>>>>>   Thanks, see you early at the sprint.
>>>>> 
>>>>>   PS. the Board meeting, and any Board meeting, is open to anyone and
>>>>>   everyone.
>>>>> 
>

Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] Hacking OSGeo

[Bart van den Eijnden]

Okay then I have 2 follow-up questions for you and/or Jeff:

1) do you acknowledge we have a problem with FOSS4G organising?

2) what other solutions to this problem do you see and why are they better than 
co-organising with Eclipse/LocationTech?
 
Bart

Sent from my iPhone

> On 14 sep. 2014, at 03:25, Venkatesh Raghavan  
> wrote:
> 
> Dear All,
> 
>> On 2014/09/14 0:11, Jeff McKenna wrote:
>> Responding to your comment, we now work closely with several foundations 
>> (ISPRS, ICA, GLTN, and soon GSDI, are examples that I have met with recently 
>> personally).
>> 
>> There does seem to be something different about the way LocationTech is 
>> handing this, seems somewhat 'rushed' or 'forced', and I am not sure why 
>> this pressure.  Maybe we can slow things down a bit, take the hand off the 
>> throttle, sign an MoU, maybe have booths at each other's events...similar to 
>> how OSGeo works already with these other foundations.
> 
> I fully agree with views expressed by Jeff.
> I look forward growing collaborations with
> OSGeo and other international organizations
> in a systematic and orderly manner.
> 
> Best
> 
> Venka
>> 
>> We can talk about this shortly.
>> 
>> -jeff
>> 
>> 
>> 
>>> On 2014-09-13 7:51 AM, Andrew Ross wrote:
>>> Dear Jeff, Everyone,
>>> 
>>> I'll drop in to help as well. I may be a little late as I promised my
>>> children a video chat. I apologize as I'd like to be there and help.
>>> 
>>> For what it's worth, regarding the tag line agenda item, OSGeo is far
>>> from the only open source community. Unaffiliated projects in Github can
>>> claim that for example. It might be better to aim for something a bit
>>> more distinct.
>>> 
>>> See you soon,
>>> 
>>> Andrew
>>> 
>>> On September 12, 2014 7:28:08 PM PDT, Jeff McKenna
>>>  wrote:
>>> 
>>>For the record Arnulf forgot that the Board meeting starts at 8am at the
>>>same location, discussing of course the exact topics that he mentioned
>>>(http://wiki.osgeo.org/wiki/Board_Meeting_2014-09-13).  But please don't
>>>let me hinder your energy, definitely tackle the areas that need love
>>>(reviving the marketting committee, picking your favorite project in
>>>incubation and give some nudges...lots to do!)
>>> 
>>>Thanks, see you early at the sprint.
>>> 
>>>PS. the Board meeting, and any Board meeting, is open to anyone and
>>>everyone.
>>> 
>>>-jeff
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>>On 2014-09-12 9:25 AM, Seven wrote:
>>> 
>>>-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE-
>>>Hash: SHA1
>>> 
>>>Folks,
>>>if anybody indicates interest in hacking OSGeo at the code sprint in
>>>Portland tomorrow please answer.
>>> 
>>>In past years we have brain stormed around Marketing, Sponsorship,
>>>Education, Data (specifically how OSGeo can support the Open Data
>>>model) and so on. It is a aunique opportunity to evolve OSGeo as an
>>>organization and I would be happy to contribute to anything you
>>>might
>>>want to achieve for within and around OSGeo as an organization.
>>> 
>>>This can also include how (or rather if at all) OSGeo manages
>>>FOSS4G.
>>>In my experience the day directly after the event is the best
>>>time to
>>>actually do this, impressions are still fresh and lots of ideas have
>>>popped up. If we do not invest some time into realizing them we are
>>>not going to get anywhere. So if you think OSGeo needs a push in a
>>>certain direction, join. There will be representatives from the
>>>board
>>>of directors, the president (I guess you are there Jeff, right?) and
>>>other folks in key roles. It is probably the only time in the year
>>>when you will get so many bright OSGeo folks in one place.
>>> 
>>>Here is a link to drop your ideas. Its a Wiki, just go hack it
>>>as you
>>>like:
>>>http://wiki.osgeo.org/wiki/OSGeo_Hack_2014
>>> 
>>>Cheers,
>>>Arnulf
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
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Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] Board candidates: what are your plans?

[Bart van den Eijnden]

I think this happened on last year’s elections, at least I remember sending out 
such an e-mail (not sure what came of those things I wrote down back then 
though ;-) ).

Also, since we are looking for a new treasurer, I would be really interested to 
know which potential board member is good with finances and might be up for 
that role. As stated by Daniel before, someone from the US would be the best 
fit given the US tax systems etc.

Best regards,
Bart

On 20 Aug 2014, at 22:41, Johan Van de Wauw  wrote:

> Hello everyone,
> 
> I'm relatively new to OSGeo (at least the organisational part), but
> I'm a bit surprised by the board elections.
> I'm seeing two phases: a nomination phase and a voting phase. I double
> checked and last year it was the same. In my opinion we are missing
> the most important step: a "campaigning period". I'd like to know what
> each candidate would like to do, how they see the future of OSGeo,...
> 
> Now - don't get me wrong- we have (up to now) 7 excellent candidates
> for 5 positions, and probably many other charter members have done so
> much for the community that they deserve to be on the board. But as
> much as I would like to thank all of them, I would like to use
> different criteria for selecting board members.What are your vision
> and goals? Where should OSGeo head to? What about the financial
> situation? I'd like to know each candidate's vision before voting.
> 
> Actually, all other volunteer run organisations where I've been
> involved have such a phase. Usually it happens "offline" during
> general assemblies, but at least for debian they are online [1]. The
> actual examples from debian are for choosing the project leader and
> are way too long, but I'd definitively like to read a paragraph or two
> which vision each candidate has on OSGeo.
> 
> So here is my proposal:
> For next year:
> - Make something like a "campaining period" a part of the election.
> Give candidates an official time to explain their plans and have room
> for discussion afterwards. I actually think this would be a better
> place for "endorsements" than the nomination phase. Endorsing a
> candidate for his/her future plans based on his/her current
> achievement is imho a stronger signal than some of the endorsements we
> saw on the list before.
> 
> 
> For this year:
> - Even if there is no official period, I'd still love to see the
> vision/answers to the above questions from the candidates.
> 
> Johan
> 
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Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] [Election 2014] Nomination for Christian Mayer

[Bart van den Eijnden]

I’d like to second the nomination of GeoFootballer ;-) [1]

[1] https://twitter.com/geofootballer

Best regards,
Bart

On 24 Jul 2014, at 22:18, Jorge Sanz  wrote:

> Forwarding Chris Mayer nomination by Marc Jansen
> 
> Best regards
> Jorge
> 
> 
> -- Forwarded message --
> From: Marc Jansen
> Date: 2014-07-23 20:38 GMT+02:00
> Subject: Nomination of Christian Mayer for OSGeo charter membership
> To: c...@osgeo.org
> 
> 
> Hi Jorge, hi CRO,
> 
> I'd like to nominate Christian Mayer for OSGeo charter membership.
> 
> Chris (as he is usually called) is involved in the development of
> several OpenSource Projects. He is one of the cofounders of the GeoExt
> Mobile (GXM) and SHOGun projects and a committer for GeoExt and GeoExt
> 2. He has provided patches for several other projects (OpenLayers,
> MapFish) as well. Furthermore he does beta testing (e.g. for GeoTools
> on Windows machines), blogs about tech and is a frequent speaker at
> international and German conferences (where he shares his love for
> OpenSource). Additionally he also helps users via mailinglists etc.
> Lastly I'd like to stress that I personally value the opinions and
> thoughts of my friend Chris very much. I am sure that the OSGeo will
> profit from him being a future charter member.
> 
> Chris confirmed that he'd be glad to be a charter member.
> 
> Name: Christian Mayer
> Country: Germany
> 
> 
> Best regards,
> Marc Jansen
> 
> 
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Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] [Election 2014] Nomination for Steven Feldman

[Bart van den Eijnden]

Seconded. I had the pleasure to talk with Steven at the FOSS4G conference in 
Nottingham last year. Where he and his team did a tremendous job organising 
FOSS4G.

Steven is also very active in discussions at the conference committee and board 
level.

Best regards,
Bart

On 24 Jul 2014, at 22:06, Jorge Sanz  wrote:

> Forwarding Steven Feldman nomination by Anne Ghisla
> 
> Best regards
> Jorge
> 
> -- Forwarded message --
> From: Anne Ghisla
> Date: 2014-07-24 9:53 GMT+02:00
> Subject: Nomination for Steven Feldman
> To: c...@osgeo.org
> Cc: Steven Feldman
> 
> 
> it is my pleasure to nominate Steven Feldman [0] from London, UK for
> OSGeo Charter membership.
> 
> Steven has been involved in a combination of GIS, business and open
> source for many years [1], and is currently an External Lecturer at
> Nottingham University, a strategic advisor to Astun Technology,
> chairman of geo.me Solutions and Exprodat Consulting and  a board
> advisor at OpenCage Data [0, 1].
> 
> Steven's most recent and substantial contribution to open source
> geospatial has been serving as Chair of the LOC of FOSS4G 2013 in
> Nottingham. At that event I started insightful discussions with him
> about OSGeo future and long term sustainability, that continue to the
> present date.
> 
> Kind regards,
> Anne
> 
> [0] http://wiki.osgeo.org/wiki/User:Stevenfeldman
> [1] http://knowwhereconsulting.co.uk/biog/
> 
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Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] OWSLib for JavaScript

[Bart van den Eijnden]

Lately I’ve been looking into JSONIX [1][2] and I’ve successfully used it for 
WPS.

I think this could be an option for the format level support.

Best regards,,
Bart

[1] http://confluence.highsource.org/display/JSNX/Jsonix
[2] https://github.com/highsource/jsonix

On 24 Jul 2014, at 10:48, Jachym Cepicky  wrote:

> Hi,
> 
> at FOSS4G-Europe, discussion was started, whether there would be space
> for generic OWS client library, kind of sister project to Python-based
> OWSLib, but for JavaScript. Nowadays, OpenLayers was taken into
> account, if you wanted to interface with various OWS servers and it
> did always really great job. But to have something neutral, so that
> various projects could relay on it, should make sense (similar to what
> Proj4js is doing).
> 
> Shall we setup github repository, create mailing list at
> lists.osgeo.org and go on?
> 
> Any thoughts, comments?
> 
> Jachym
> 
> P.S. Sorry for cross posting, but please continue at discuss [at]
> lists.osgeo.org and please, forward to your communities
> 
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Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] [Board] Proposed process for selecting OSGeo charter members

[Bart van den Eijnden]

Board members need to be charter members already:

http://wiki.osgeo.org/wiki/Board_Election_Procedure

Best regards,
Bart

On 30 Jun 2014, at 12:34, Steven Feldman  wrote:

> If we want to avoid "establishing a self-sustaining oligarchy” then perhaps 
> we need to consider ways of becoming a mass membership organisation rather 
> than one governed by a self selecting elite group.
> 
> Should we consider separating the Charter Members who could continue to be 
> acknowledged for their contributions to OSGeo (but maybe by the whole 
> membership not just existing Charter Members) from the process of voting for 
> the board? If we want to be open and inclusive we need to empower a larger 
> group of contributors to vote for the people who set policy and manage our 
> organisation. Perhaps it could be a requirement for board membership that 
> candidates have already been voted as charter members by the wider membership.
> 
> We could go for something like the OSM Foundation where membership at £15/yr 
> entitles you to vote for the Foundation Board or we could go for a free 
> membership category with some qualifying criteria.
> __
> Steven
> 
> 
> On 30 Jun 2014, at 09:58, board-requ...@lists.osgeo.org wrote:
> 
>> From: Bart van den Eijnden 
>> Subject: Re: [Board] [OSGeo-Discuss] Proposed process for selecting OSGeo 
>> charter members
>> Date: 30 June 2014 08:27:08 BST
>> To: Peter Baumann 
>> Cc: discuss@lists.osgeo.org, "bo...@lists.osgeo.org" 
>> 
>> 
>> Hey Peter,
>> 
>> so what would be your suggestions to make the process more of the 4 bullet 
>> points you mentioned?
>> 
>> Best regards,
>> Bart
>> 
>> On 30 Jun 2014, at 09:24, Peter Baumann  
>> wrote:
>> 
>>> Cameron & all,
>>> 
>>> a lot of serious, involved work is going on on this thread; however, some 
>>> core issues which I tried to phrase, but Steven (Feldman) expressed much 
>>> crisper, still remain unaddressed by the currently voted proposal:
>>> Inclusiveness
>>> Democracy
>>> Growth
>>> Openness
>>> The proposal as it stands is in high danger of establishing a 
>>> self-sustaining oligarchy. 
>>> 
>>> I am concerned that a body that claims to have international impact 
>>> (through project branding) high responsibility must be exercised in terms 
>>> of transparency, openness, and democratic principles. 
>>> 
>>> -Peter
>>> 
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Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] Proposed process for selecting OSGeo charter members

[Bart van den Eijnden]

Hey Peter,

so what would be your suggestions to make the process more of the 4 bullet 
points you mentioned?

Best regards,
Bart

On 30 Jun 2014, at 09:24, Peter Baumann  wrote:

> Cameron & all,
> 
> a lot of serious, involved work is going on on this thread; however, some 
> core issues which I tried to phrase, but Steven (Feldman) expressed much 
> crisper, still remain unaddressed by the currently voted proposal:
> Inclusiveness
> Democracy
> Growth
> Openness
> The proposal as it stands is in high danger of establishing a self-sustaining 
> oligarchy. 
> 
> I am concerned that a body that claims to have international impact (through 
> project branding) high responsibility must be exercised in terms of 
> transparency, openness, and democratic principles. 
> 
> -Peter
> 
> 
> 
> On 06/29/2014 10:26 PM, Cameron Shorter wrote:
>> OSGeo board,
>> In the interests of making a decision such that Jorge Salinas (our CRO) can 
>> move forward, I propose the following process be followed for voting new 
>> charter members in 2014:
>> 
>> 1. Charter member to nominate potential new charter member(s) (as before).
>> 
>> 2. Charter members then vote (in/out) nominated charter members. This will 
>> be different to prior years, as we previously voted in a fixed number of 
>> members for a larger selection pool. (eg vote in 20 people from a list of 
>> 30). For this year, I propose we have a "Yes/No" vote. Ie, if we have a list 
>> of 30 candidates, we will ask all charter members to vote Yes or No against 
>> each candidate. Each candidate with greater than 50% of YES votes will be 
>> included as new charter members.
>> 
>> 3. Charter members would be guided to select candidates who fit the 
>> "Positive Attributes for Charter Members" as defined here: 
>> http://wiki.osgeo.org/wiki/Membership_Process#Positive_Attributes
>> 
>> 4. There will be no limit to the number of new charter members who can be 
>> selected. This will require an update of 
>> http://wiki.osgeo.org/wiki/Membership_Process
>> 
>> 5. Note: This vote is being put to the board and not to charter members as I 
>> don't wish to complicate this decision by adding a 2nd (positive) idea for 
>> change. We can address getting charter members to vote on issues as a 
>> separate motion.
>> 
>> Board members, can you please all vote on above:
>> 
>> +1 Cameron
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> On 25/06/2014 9:31 pm, Cameron Shorter wrote:
>>> Following the community discussion, I further researched OSGeo's foundation 
>>> documents, (in retrospect I should have done this earlier).
>>> 
>>> Of particular relevance to current discussion is our ByLaws:
>>> 
>>> http://www.osgeo.org/content/foundation/incorporation/bylaws.html
>>> Section 7.1. Admission of [Charter] Members. An initial group of up to 
>>> forty-five (45) persons shall be admitted as the initial [charter] members 
>>> of the corporation upon the affirmative vote of the Board of Directors of 
>>> the corporation. Thereafter, to be eligible for [charter] membership, a 
>>> person must be nominated by an existing [charter] member of the corporation 
>>> pursuant to a written document in such form as shall be adopted by the 
>>> Board of Directors from time to time. The nomination must be included in a 
>>> notice to the [charter] members at least ten (10) days in advance of the 
>>> meeting at which the [charter] members will vote on the applicant’s 
>>> admission. Proposed [charter] members shall be admitted upon the 
>>> affirmative vote of the members of the corporation.
>>> 
>>> This section implies that the proposal below of automatically accepting 
>>> "Recognised OSGeo Community Leaders" is unconstitutional, as charter 
>>> members need to be voted into the role by existing charter members.
>>> 
>>> It also implies that while a separate paid membership category could be 
>>> created, paid members would still need to be voted into a charter member 
>>> role by existing charter members.
>>> 
>>> The ByLaws don't mention limiting the number of new charter members. This 
>>> criteria seems to have been introduced as a Membership Process by the 26th 
>>> Board meeting:
>>> http://wiki.osgeo.org/wiki/Membership_Process
>>> The number of new members will be between 10% and one third of the existing 
>>> charter membership count as decided by the board.
>>> 
>>> Such a statement created by the board, could be updated by the board, and 
>>> as such the board could agree to accept an unlimited number of new charter 
>>> members.
>>> 
>>> So I'm now thinking that our election process can be simplified to:
>>> 
>>> 1. Charter member to nominate potential new charter member(s)
>>> 2. Charter members then vote (in/out) against all nominated charter members
>>> A suitable criteria for determining whether a nominee qualifies is listed 
>>> here: http://wiki.osgeo.org/wiki/Membership_Process#Positive_Attributes
>>> 4. Nominees with a majority of votes are included as new Charter Members
>>> 
>>> On 15/06/2014 9:52 am, Came

Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] Proposed process for selecting OSGeo charter members

[Bart van den Eijnden]

Hi Kari,

some replies inline.

Best regards,
Bart

On 24 Jun 2014, at 11:47, Kari Salovaara  wrote:

> Hi,
> 
> I was following this thread with disbelief how most of the participants don't 
> understand which is the situation of open idea, open source applications and 
> open data in most countries round the world. And what kind of support those 
> people get when trying to bring message to disbelievers. And how small is the 
> group of actives really working. Yes, there is much more "members", those who 
> are actually end users taking only benefits and nagging about missing 
> features. And the fight against commercial sector, how much you get back 
> kicking with out real facts?
> If membership fees are needed, if yearly reporting is needed and if you have 
> to organize real elections, we'll be in trouble. First of all we have to 
> establish a society which is eligible to have bookkeeping, bank accounts, 
> board and official meetings for its election etc. A lot of bureaucracy which 
> will be above the work pain already done by the few volunteers (who are by 
> themselves not satisfied currently to their own efforts due lack of time).

With “we" are you talking about the global OSGeo organisation, or its local 
chapters?
OSGeo global already has official status, bank accounts bookkeeping etc.

I don’t think it is necessary to do this at the local chapter level personally, 
I would leave this up to the local chapters to decide.

> If we don't establish a society (without that is impossible to collect money) 
> we should pay these fees to some other country! And then it would be even 
> more difficult to attract people to join. And who will get the benefits of 
> our money then? Of course in organization (OsGeo) those members who represent 
> larger groups(countries can reach their goals easier and can direct the 
> development and efforts to goals more powerful than smaller group 
> representatives or those who lack totally their "man/woman". So none in this 
> discussion has presented democratic way, how to ensure equality, in this 
> sense.
> 
> The timing of this discussion is perfect as it's holiday season and very very 
> few people in northern Europe is reading their emails.

I live in Northern Europe (The Netherlands) but still quite some weeks until 
holiday season starts here.

> 
> Cheers,
> Kari
> 
> 
> On 06/24/2014 09:57 AM, Arnulf Christl wrote:
>> -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE-
>> Hash: SHA1
>> 
>> On 06/23/2014 09:33 PM, b.j.kob...@utwente.nl wrote:
>>> I am very dissapointed in this whole membership/fees discussion.
>>> In reading the emails one does not see the international volunteer
>>> community I would like to think OSGEO is (should be), but it rather
>>> seems we are dealing with a US-based professional organisation,
>>> mostly keen on not paying US taxes, and that is not what I want
>>> OSGEO to become...
>> Hey Barend,
>> if it makes you feel any better - I can still see the volunteer driven
>> OSGeo and have no intention to drop out just because there are ideas
>> to move to a more consistent way of mapping members. I have been CRO
>> in two consecutive years and cannot see any advantage in sticking with
>> the non-system we have had so far. Instead, my hopes are that a fee
>> based membership can broaden the base we are one. It would make so
>> many things so much easier.
>> 
>> I also believe that we have grown to a size where we do not have to
>> fear a hostile takeover so that a lot of the self-referencing and
>> sustaining mechanisms we put in place to start with are not required
>> any more.
>> 
>> It would be a pity if others and especially existing OSGeo Charter
>> Members would feel negatively about the proposed suggestions so I beg
>> you all to voice your concerns now. And we should make sure that we
>> pass any changes of this format by the existing Charter Members and
>> make sure there is a fat majority of support for it. Otherwise we
>> would betray our principles which is exactly what we tried to prevent
>> with the existing system in place.
>> 
>> 
>> Have fun,
>> Arnulf
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> On 23-06-14 21:00, "Alex Mandel" 
>> wrote:
>> 
 On 06/19/2014 11:58 AM, Peter Baumann wrote:
> Hi all,
> 
> good - and important! - discussion! Being Charter Member I am
> somewhat concerned:
> 
> - I am surprised that the common democratic procedure of
> election is perceived as creating "dissent".
 Well it's somewhat conjecture without public confirmation that
 someone walked away from OSGeo because they didn't get picked.
 
> - yes, democracy is expensive, but generally it is considered
> worth the effort. - is "lifelong membership" compatible with
> community participation?
 Nope and we've actually have discussed in the past what the rules
 should be to weed out charter members who no longer particpate in
 the community.
 
> - "Recognised OSGeo Community Leaders" seem to get determined
>>

Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] Proposed process for selecting OSGeo charter members

[Bart van den Eijnden]

Good food for thought Howard, can’t say I disagree with anything you say here.

The only thing we need to consider is that for some countries 50 or 70 USD can 
still be a lot of money.

Best regards,
Bart

On 23 Jun 2014, at 16:12, Howard Butler  wrote:

> 
> On Jun 20, 2014, at 7:38 AM, Cameron Shorter  
> wrote:
> 
>> Thanks Paul, Dimitris and Peter for your thoughts.
>> 
>> Comments inline.
>> 
>> On 20/06/2014 4:31 am, Paul Ramsey wrote:
>>> http://www.aag.org/cs/membership/individual_membership
>>> http://www.aag.org/cs/membership/individual_membership/dues
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Both simpler, and better for the bottom line of OSGeo, if you want to
>>> be a member, sign up as a member, collect your t-shirt, see you @
>>> foss4g.
>>> 
>> Yes Paul, "pay for membership" is simple, but I'd argue that the value of 
>> OSGeo and OSGeo communities is the volunteer time we contribute, and "pay 
>> membership" wouldn't capture that.
> 
> This property is the nature of a professional organization, which in my 
> opinion, OSGeo clearly is. There are a number of strong reasons why small 
> annual fees for membership are very attractive. The first is there's no 
> struggling with members who've dropped off, haven't voted, are no longer 
> participating. Second, anyone who wants to associate themselves can simply do 
> so by paying dues. Finally, a consistent, if small, operating revenue. 
> 
> The voting process has been an ad-hoc affair since the beginnings of the 
> organization. Every year it the rules are tweaked. Every year members who've 
> dropped off need to be nagged. Every year we end up just taking everyone 
> who's nominated anyway. It's a lot of overhead and volunteer cost for very 
> little gain.
> 
> It is certain there are people who wish to be professionally associated with 
> OSGeo who are unable to become members because they haven't generated enough 
> public profile to be nominated. You can't nominate yourself. It's a chicken 
> and egg problem that simply dissolves with paid-but-small membership dues.
> 
> OSGeo's main revenue stream is the FOSS4G conference. It is an event run on 
> the backs of local chapter volunteers. Please correct me otherwise, but I do 
> not think any local chapter who has hosted FOSS4G has ever put in a proposal 
> to host it again. This well may eventually run dry. Or, it may run dry for a 
> year or two. 80-100k/year (~$50-70/year * 1500 persons) of membership dues is 
> plenty to keep the lights on through droughts and still allow the 
> organization to move forward. 
> 
> At the inception of the organization, a driving factor toward our current 
> membership structure is because OSGeo is a volunteer organization, it 
> shouldn't require members to pay money. I think this is misguided. Every 
> other professional organization of which I'm a member requires membership 
> dues. As an IRS classification, a professional organization has a clear path 
> forward. 
> 
> I am a professional open source Geo/GIS software developer. I want to belong 
> to a professional organization that represents me. I would be happy to pay 
> some nominal membership dues that a) signify my membership, b) provide 
> financial buffer for the organization to achieve its mission, and 3) clearly 
> signal what the rules are to become a member.
> 
> My $0.02.
> 
> Howard
> 
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[OSGeo-Discuss] Board meeting 2014-04-10: Minutes

[Bart van den Eijnden]

Hello all,

yesterday the Board discussed the following items during its monthly meeting:

- FOSS4G North America / EclipseCon / LocationTech Tech Summit 2015 (Andrew 
Ross)
- Confirm approval of OSGeo Budget 2014
- Thoughts on Annual General Meeting 2014
- Update on FOSS4G 2015 RFP
- Incubation Committee IncCom_Report24 report
- FOSS4G Manifesto
- Recent infrastructure issues

Please find the full minutes on the meeting's wiki page:

http://wiki.osgeo.org/wiki/Board_Meeting_2014-04-10

You are all welcome to contact the Board to propose items for the agenda of 
next meeting, that will be on May, 15th.

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Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] Board election nomination: Bart van den Eijnden

[Bart van den Eijnden]

Thanks Daniel for nominating me.

My interests @OSGeo are mostly in the areas of the FOSS4G conference, developer 
sprints and promoting us more through social media (outreach).

Another thing I'm interested in is to see how providing infrastructure for 
community projects (one of OSGeo's goals) is still as relevant as it used to be 
with the rise of github.

And ofcourse, I am also very interested in the synergies between OSGeo and the 
Open Geospatial Consortium (OGC).

I've attended many FOSS4G conferences, but I did miss one of the more important 
ones (Victoria BC).

Best regards,
Bart

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On Aug 14, 2013, at 5:15 AM, Daniel Morissette  wrote:

> I'd like to nominate Bart van den Eijnden for the OSGeo board election.
> 
> Bart's involvement in the OSGeo community and its projects is well known and 
> predates the creation of OSGeo itself. He is a regular at FOSS4G, is very 
> familiar with OSGeo and its mission and often contributes to discussions 
> related to OSGeo activities, so I think he could bring valuable inputs and 
> contributions to the board. He started his own consultancy in The Netherlands 
> back in 2005 (OSGIS.nl) and now works with OpenGeo.
> 
> 
> Daniel
> -- 
> Daniel Morissette
> http://www.mapgears.com/
> Provider of Professional MapServer Support since 2000
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Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] Announce: pgRouting RC1 released

[Bart van den Eijnden]

Any specific reason for announcing a release candidate on the discuss mailing 
list?

I'm sure a lot of people here would be unhappy if every OsGeo (labs / related) 
project would start announcing their release candidates on the discuss mailing 
list.

Best regards,
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On Jul 16, 2013, at 9:38 PM, Stephen Woodbridge  wrote:

> The pgRouting team would like to announce:
> 
> pgRouting v2.0.0 Release Candidate 1
> 
> is ready for review and testing.
> 
> Documentation:
> http://docs.pgrouting.org/
> 
> Download:
> https://github.com/pgRouting/pgrouting/releases/tag/v2.0.0-rc1
> 
> Source:
> https://github.com/pgRouting/pgrouting/tree/develop
> 
> Bugs:
> https://github.com/pgRouting/pgrouting/issues?labels=2.0&state=open
> 
> Pgrouting-users mailing list:
> pgrouting-us...@lists.osgeo.org
> http://lists.osgeo.org/mailman/listinfo/pgrouting-users
> 
> We are very excited about this release and all the new features that are 
> being made available. We have cleaned out all the code related issues that 
> have been reported to date against v2.0.
> 
> We hope the community will join in and support all the effort to get the 
> release this far with additional testing and feedback.
> 
> Best regards,
>  The pgRouting Team
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[OSGeo-Discuss] nomination for Volker Mische

[Bart van den Eijnden]

I'd like to nominate Volker Mische for OsGeo charter membership, since to my 
*GREAT* surprise he is not already a charter member.

Volker hardly needs any introduction. He is the creator of GeoCouch and works 
at Couchbase. I'm sure many of you have seen his talks @FOSS4G conferences on 
this subject.

He also contributed to OpenLayers, has co-created a library that integrates 
OpenLayers with jQuery (MapQuery).

Volker is very active member in the OsGeo community already, and was involved 
in the organisation of FOSS4G in 2009 in Sydney.

See also: http://www.fossgis.de/konferenz/2013/programm/speakers/33.de.html

Best regards,
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[OSGeo-Discuss] nomination for Marc Jansen

[Bart van den Eijnden]

I'd like to nominate Marc Jansen for OsGeo charter membership. Marc is actively 
involved in the OpenLayers and GeoExt projects and works for the German company 
Terrestris. He also co-created the GXM (GeoExt Mobile) library based on Sencha 
Touch and OpenLayers. Marc also co-wrote a book in German on OpenLayers.

In 2012 Terrestris hosted a code sprint on GeoExt 2 in Bonn at their office, 
which was a great experience. A lot of the initial code for GeoExt 2 was 
actually created at an internal code sprint by Terrestris in Malta.

I have met Marc many times at code sprints and FOSS4G conferences, and was 
surprised to see he's not actually already a charter member.

Best regards,
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[OSGeo-Discuss] nomination for Just van den Broecke

[Bart van den Eijnden]

I'd like to nominate Just van den Broecke for Osgeo charter membership. Just 
has invested a lot of his time in getting the Dutch language chapter of Osgeo 
set up recently (see http://osgeo.nl) . 

He has worked with a lot of the OsGeo software projects and has also developed 
tools in the open source domain on top of this such as Heron Mapping Components 
(http://heron-mc.org) and Streaming ETL (http://www.stetl.org/en/latest/). 

In 2012 he organised the Osgeo track at the GeoSpatial World Forum (GWF) and he 
is a regular visitor to FOSS4G and the Bolsena hacking event as well

Best regards,
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Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] driver.create doesnot create a new object:Python

[Bart van den Eijnden]

You're on the wrong list, subscribe to: 
http://lists.osgeo.org/mailman/listinfo/gdal-dev instead and please stop 
spamming this list.

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On Jul 4, 2013, at 11:04 AM, saksham_kumar  wrote:

> i did not understand.
> 
> 
> 
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Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] report OSGeo track at GWF 2013

[Bart van den Eijnden]

Paul,

thanks so much for your tremendous efforts in this regard and spreading the 
word of OsGeo!

Best regards,
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On May 17, 2013, at 9:52 AM, Paul van Genuchten  
wrote:

> Hi list at the 2013 edition of Geospatial World Forum held in Rotterdam 13-16 
> may 2013 OSGeo cohosted a seminar on Open Source 
> (http://geospatialworldforum.org/2013/open_pr.htm). This document shortly 
> describes the key points raised in each presentation.
>  
> Chair/Organiser: Paul van Genuchten - GeoCat/OSGeo.nl - NL
>  
> Just vd Broecke - OSGeo.nl board - NL
> Just gave an introduction to 'Open', touching on open data, open standards, 
> open source and open communities. Also he pointed out the parts of the 
> software value chain where Open Source companies generally make their 
> earnings, since the usual business case of selling licenses does not apply 
> here.
>  
> Marjan Bevelander - Dutch Provinces - NL
> Marjan presented on the open source strategy by the cooperating Dutch 
> regional governments. She explained this on two recent projects, the 
> implementation of Inspire Directive and the revitalization of Flamingo Geo 
> CMS.
>  
> Mark Vloermans - Flamingo Geo CMS Community - NL
> Mark then continued with his efforts to put a vivid community in place to 
> support the Flamingo Geo CMS. He claimed a system as user friendly as this, 
> is very important for the Open Source Sector, since the sector has a very 
> technical feel.
>  
> Chris van Lith - B3Partners - NL
> As one of the partners responsible for implementing Flamingo Geo CMS, Chris 
> continued with the design motivation of the CMS platform behind Flamingo Geo 
> CMS. Recent developments around their former Flash based Viewer led him to 
> claim that any GIS framework should prepare for the inevitable: Any component 
> of a product can get outdated. In that case you'd need to be productive with 
> a new component asap, by limiting the dependencies between components and 
> have components interact using Open Standards. For example 
> OpenLayers, now basis of many map viewing frameworks, will soon be replaced 
> by either OpenLayers 3, Leaflet, D3 or ...
>  
> Simone Giannecchini - GeoSolutions - IT
> Simone introduced us to the world of enterprise support on open source 
> geospatial infrastructures. You'll get the best support from the people 
> actually involved in the projects, in his case geotools, geoserver, 
> geonetwork. Stay away from forks and vampires, in the end they are no better 
> than proprietary software.
>  
> Arnulf Christl – Metaspatial - DE
> Arnulf set up his presentation around Open Data. Types of open data where 
> explained (Community driven, Government Data, Proprietary Data in a Freemium 
> Model (open content?)), types of data licenses (ODBL, Gov Open Data, CCO) and 
> options these open data licenses offer to SME to create new business 
> opportunities. As an example he showed us a map based on Open Street Map and 
> Ordinate Survey data printed on a piece of water resistant cloth.
> http://metaspatial.net/conferences/gwf2013_opendata.html
>  
> Andrew Ross - Eclipse Foundation Inc - CA
> Andrew pointed our attention to the importance of having a foundation to 
> manage an open source software project as it gets bigger. Some existing 
> foundations exist where one can register a project. The Eclipse foundation 
> recently started a locationtech workinggroup for geospatial initiatives.
>  
> Paolo Cavallini – Faunalia - IT
> Paolo notified us on some recent developments in QGIS. His first 
> inventarization learned that over 50% of the participants in the room have 
> used QGis at some time. Recent developments include a QGIS server 
> implementation (WMS,WFS,WFS-t), a central repository with plugin's, a 
> templated client plot (which can also be used in server implementation), 
> labels based on expressions.
>  
> Jorge Samuel Mendes de Jesus - ISRIC World Soil Information - NL
> ISRIC operates a global database with soil profiles under GEOSS. The 
> infrastructure for storing, converting, managing and accessing the profiles 
> is based mainly on Open Source products like Geoserver, pyWPS, Geonetwork, 
> PostGIS and Django. ISRIC has many temporary international students and they 
> seem to replicate the ISRIC architecture at their home institutes.
>  
> Oliver Morris & Alex Rushfort - Neftex Inc - UK
> Neftex provides geological data services to the mining industry. They operate 
> a geological world model ranging back to 600m bc. They use an Open Source 
> stack to deliver the frequently updated data to their customers. The stack 
> contains PostGis, Geoserver and a WebMapper based on OpenLayer

Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] OGC compliance of WMS client

[Bart van den Eijnden]

The WMS client should use GetCapabilities, parameter values are case-sensitive. 

Parameter names are not case-sensitive.

Best regards,
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On Apr 22, 2013, at 11:04 AM, Marco Lechner - FOSSGIS e.V. 
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> Hi,
> 
> is a WMS-Client using "REQUEST=getcapabilities" instead of
> "REQUEST=GetCapabilities" still in compliance with OGC standard
> (VERSION1.1.1 as well as 1.3.0)? I don't think so, but I'm unsure.
> 
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Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] [OSGeo-Conf] Code sprints at FOSS4G 2013

[Bart van den Eijnden]

Hey Steven,

this has been discussed in the past, where I was in favour of a sprint before 
the conference, but I think I was one of the few (if not the only one), since 
most people have talks and workshops to prepare.

I was a bit surprised though to see the conference move into the weekend, what 
is the thought behind that? I can hardly imagine doing a code sprint after a 
six day work week.

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On Oct 17, 2012, at 10:39 AM, Steven Feldman  wrote:

> I know it is very early to start talking about code sprints for FOSS4G 2013 
> but we have a couple of options that we would like to share.
> 
> The rough timetable for FOSS4G 2013 currently looks like this:
> 
> Tuesday 17th Sept -   Workshops
> Wednesday 18th -  Workshops, Icebreaker event in the evening
> Thursday 19th -   Conference Opens, Plenary, Streams, Gala night
> Friday 20th - Conference streams, afternoon plenary, 
> free night
> Saturday 21st -   Conference streams, closing plenary, FOSS4G 
> closes, informal party for those staying over
> Sunday 22nd - Side meetings, chapter groups
> 
> So the questions are
> When do you want to run the code sprints? Our preference would be to provide 
> facilities for the code sprints on Sunday 22nd but if there was a strong 
> preference to go for the Monday we could try to secure space for that (not 
> guaranteed but we could try)
> If there is a choice between one large space with clusters for the different 
> projects or a series of smaller rooms which would you prefer?
> Apart from power, internet and coffee are there any other requirements?
> 
> Can we get your feedback on this in next few days as we will need to make 
> some choices with the venue by early next week. Apologies for short notice.
> 
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Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] FOSS4G presentation review process [SEC=UNCLASSIFIED]

[Bart van den Eijnden]

One thing I really disliked in the past is that the size of abstracts really 
differed and abstracts were sometimes really large. 

Please limit people to a small and to-the-point abstract, at least for the 
voting process.

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On Oct 2, 2012, at 1:30 PM, Volker Mische  wrote:

> On 10/02/2012 11:24 AM, Barry Rowlingson wrote:
>> On Tue, Oct 2, 2012 at 9:39 AM, Cameron Shorter
>>  wrote:
>> 
>>> With my "simple maths" hat on:
>>> Expect 150+ abstracts. Each abstract takes say 2 mins to read, think about,
>>> and provide a ranking.
>>> Total review time = 300 minutes = 6 hours.
>>> 
>>> Best not to complicate the review process thus increasing review time.
>>> 
>> 
>> Agreed - and if I was presented with a big list of 150 abstracts and
>> 150 radio buttons from -2 to +2 I'd get to about 20 before giving up.
>> However, a system that presented random pairs of abstracts or names
>> and asked simply "which would you like to see?", then took a "this
>> one/that one/dont know" response (with big fat buttons to easily
>> click), and then presented another pair would enable reviewers to 'dip
>> in' and do a bit more reviewing at any time.
>> 
>> Its the "kitten war" method: http://kittenwar.com/
> 
> IIRC, the abstracts were always in random order, so that even if
> everyone did a subset things should work out fine.
> 
> Cheers,
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Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] Sol Katz Award Nomination procedure (was Nomination for Venkatesh Raghavan)

[Bart van den Eijnden]

I don't want to be a PITA, but I want to bring up another point for discussion.

Is it a good idea for people from the selection committee to be nominating? 
That kind of defeats their "neutral" position.

Or how does the selection committee normally come to a decision? Consensus, 
voting, something else?

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On Sep 18, 2012, at 4:58 PM, Jeff McKenna  wrote:

> On 12-09-18 11:53 AM, Richard Greenwood wrote:
>> I agree that this is the first year that nominations have been
>> publicly discussed and it is a departure from previous years. I
>> followed Jeff's lead when I nominated Chris.
>> 
>> But hey, we're an open community, I think it's even in the name
>> somewhere. And spreading a little recognition around to hard working
>> members of our community surely doesn't hurt.
>> 
> 
> My feelings exactly.  Thanks Rich.
> 
> -jeff
> 
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Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] Nomination for Venkatesh Raghavan

[Bart van den Eijnden]

Hi Stefano,

I share your concerns. This is the first year that this is happening, and it's 
not outlined at all in the request for nominations.

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On Sep 18, 2012, at 4:09 PM, Stefano Costa  wrote:

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> 
> Regardless of the strong merits of Venkatesh (I don't know you
> personally, but I do agree with others about your exceptional
> contribution to the community), I wonder if it is really OK to have a
> public "thumbs up session" for candidates rather than leave it to the
> committee to decide. Especially towards other potential candidates
> (there may even be others candidates already, AFAIK, since e-mails
> have to be submitted to a separate, private address and not to the
> discussion list).
> 
> If this sounds over-bureaucratisation of our community standards, I
> apologise in advance.
> 
> Cheers,
> steko
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Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] Nomination of Christopher Schmidt for the Sol Katz Award

[Bart van den Eijnden]

I absolutely second this nomination. I've nominated Chris in the past as well.

My web mapping life became so much easier with the birth of OpenLayers, and 
Chris was indeed always there on IRC and the mailing to help out. Ofcourse, he 
is not active anymore these days unfortunately, but IMHO that should not make 
his contributions from the past any less important.

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On Sep 18, 2012, at 3:11 PM, Richard Greenwood  
wrote:

> I Nominate Christopher Schmidt for the Sol Katz Award. I can not
> imagine where the OpenLayers project would be without Chris' energy
> and enthusiasm. Chris burst onto the FOSS4G scene at the 2006
> conference in Lausanne and his name was immediately synonymous with
> OpenLayers.
> 
> I hope that other members of our community who are closer to the
> OpenLayers project will support my nomination and provide more detail
> of Chris' contributions.
> 
> Rich
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Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] Please add an UNSUBSCRIBE

[Bart van den Eijnden]

The link at the bottom of the e-mail does have an unsubscribe option, it's at 
the bottom of the page though (Unsubscribe or edit options button):

http://lists.osgeo.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss

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wrote:

> This was a mistake for me.  Sorry. Can you PLEASE add an UNSUBSCIBE line at 
> the bottom of every message, or at least remove me from the list?  Thank you 
> for your understanding.
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Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] Board Nomination: Jeff McKenna

[Bart van den Eijnden]

IMHO this needs some more explanation, since he resigned from the same board 
only some months ago (or is it half a year already maybe). What has changed 
since then that makes him consider re-joining?

Best regards,
Bart

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On Jul 24, 2012, at 12:03 AM, "Smith, Michael ERDC-CRREL-NH" 
 wrote:

> I would like to nominate Jeff McKenna to the board of OSGeo.
> 
> As to his qualifications, how much time to do you have? Jeff lives and 
> breathes OSGeo and is one of the most active members of the OSGeo community. 
> He is a friend, resource and gateway to all who have an interest in Open 
> Source (data and software) and OSGeo in particular. Jeff is one of the 
> original charter members (from 2006) and has been on the OSGeo board before 
> (September 2009). Jeff has a passion for OSGeo that is unrivaled by anyone, a 
> big heart, and  is considered someone always ready to talk or listen when 
> anyone, anywhere has a OSGeo question, comment or critique. Jeff is very 
> international in his approach to OSGeo and works with and participates with 
> many, many OSGeo chapters worldwide. He has also been an incredible force 
> behind almost all of the international FOSS4G conferences. Jeff would be a 
> humble, strong, active and loud voice for OSGeo.
> 
> And I'm proud to call him my friend.
> 
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Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] [OSGeo-Conf] regional conferences

[Bart van den Eijnden]

Hey Volker,

personally I don't think this "denial" approach will work. FOSS4G-NA has 
already happened, and it will continue to happen, at the same scale or maybe 
even larger (preparation time was very short).

IMHO any event that promotes free and open source for geospatial is a good 
thing, even if this is at the expense of the meeting of the tribes. That should 
not be our main focus, even though for me that is the main reason to attend.

Best regards,
Bart

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On Jun 18, 2012, at 2:44 PM, Volker Mische wrote:

> Hi,
> 
> thanks Jachym for bringing up the smei-regional events. My preference
> lies towards having one global event a year and also *real* regional
> events, but no semi-regional events. Before I come to more details about
> what I think a real regional event is, I'd like to state that I think
> FOSS4G-CEE is real regional event, FOSS4G-NA is a semi-regional.
> 
> What I understand under real regional events (they are not sorted by any
> priority, I just give them numbers for later reference):
> 1. In the language of the chapter if that's possible. FOSSGIS
> (Germany), GFOSS (Italy), the conf (currently only a day) from OSGeo.nl
> (Netherlads) are examples. FOSS4G-CEE is an exception, there's no common
> language in the area, hence it's in English.
> 2. Attracting people from the region. At least at the FOSSGIS the
> audience it quite different from the global FOSS4G. The FOSSGIS attracts
> more governmental people and end users. There are even talks about
> people using the software for their work (I find them boring, as I'm a
> dev, but I think it is interesting for a lot of people).
> 3. You can hardly tell your boss to send you to the regional event,
> except you are from this region.
> 
> How's that different from a semi-regional event. Point (2) is the most
> important one for me here. If there is an NA event (and a potential EU
> one), it will attract more people, but at what price? I think you can't
> tell your boss that you need to go to a global and to a NA (resp. EU)
> event + a regional one. So you would need to chose between the global
> and the semi-regional one, which would make both of them a bit smaller.
> 
> My solution for this problem is: Don't do semi-regional events. The
> FOSS4G-NA just spans a way too big region. Many, if not even the
> majority of the Open Source geospatial development happens in the US and
> Canada. You will attract people from abroad as so many of the major
> players will be there. Just do real regional events instead. Do e.g. a
> California one. The local chapter is quite huge (I gave a talk there a
> year ago, and there were about 100 RSVP). Do this on several places in
> NA (e.g. a Midwest one).
> 
> Cheers,
>  Volker
> 
> On 06/18/2012 01:54 PM, Jachym Cepicky wrote:
>> Hi,
>> 
>> not sure, if this proposal is the best for the scope of FOSS4G.
>> 
>> As I already wrote in one of previous mails, we have to try to find the
>> balance between global, semi-regional (approx. continent level) and
>> regional (GFOSS, FOSSGIS, ...) events.
>> 
>> Another working (not sure, if better) model could be:
>> 
>> * Global event as it is - every year
>> * Semi-Regional events (NA, E, Asia, ...) - every year too, of course
>> not on the continent, where the global event is going be organized
>> * Regional events (GFOSS, FOSSGIS, Geoinformatics, ...) every year but
>> in e.g. spring
>> 
>> Having global event every second year means implies, that OSGeo meeting
>> will take place only every second year? And what about people, who would
>> like to meet other people, but for some reason (usually financial) are
>> not able to travel to other part of the world?
>> 
>> Any opinion to this?
>> 
>> Jachym
>> 
>> Dne 16.6.2012 13:42, Maria Brovelli napsal(a):
>>> +1. I will be happy to help Greek friends in organizing the meeting. Anyway
>>> I'm wondering if sooner or later is possible to organize a Mediterranean
>>> conference
>>> Maria
>>> 
>>> 2012/6/15 Dimitris Kotzinos 
>>> 
>>>> Dear all,
>>>> 
>>>> I saw with great pleasure the call for organizing the 1st Latin America
>>>> FOSS4G conference.
>>>> Congrats to the friends there and let me add my offer to help in any
>>>> possible way to those who preceded me.
>>>> 
>>>> The purpose of my e-mail though is a bit different. Taking into account
>>>> the fact the this year we had the North America regional conference, the
>>>> central European region

Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] Board of Directors meeting minutes

[Bart van den Eijnden]

Hey Arnulf,

I had no idea this was happening behind the scenes, so e-mails like this are 
good IMHO.

If I was OsGeo I would ask the current set of regular sponsors if they would be 
interested at all to sponsor in Beijing. Or has such a survey taken place 
already?

If the outcome is negative, I personally would not take the financial risk, 
even with a great FOSS4G organizer as Jeff taking it on.

Best regards,
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On Nov 18, 2011, at 12:28 PM, Arnulf Christl (OSGeo) wrote:

> Folks,
> the OSGeo Board of Directors meets once a month in a public meeting on
> IRC. We then discuss the agenda which has been prepared on the OSGeo
> Wiki [1]. Thanks to Gary Sherman the meetings are logged [2]. We hold
> the meetings openly and every now and then somebody outside of the board
> has an interjection - which can be very helpful indeed. At the last
> meeting Gary Sherman suggested that we should circulate the results from
> our meetings because not that many people follow the board mailing list
> [3] read the minutes [4] or even the logs [5].
> 
> Currently we meet every second Thursday of a month at 17:00 UTC on IRC.
> We also aim at meeting in person at least once each year, usually during
> the FOSS4G conference.
> 
> One item I was explicitly asked to highlight to the broader community
> relates to FOSS4G 2012 in Beijing [6]. There has been a lot of talk
> about the challenges of this next edition of FOSS4G, these include
> language and cultural differences, sheer physical distance of the venue
> for many active OSGeo members, competing regional FOSS4G events,
> including a new one very likely in North America and that we are already
> very late in planning (we never had this little time to prepare).
> Therefore in a mail from September [7] I voted against having FOSS4G in
> Beijing but at the same time proposed a motion to hire Jeff McKenna for
> money to help organize the FOSS4G 2012 in Beijing. Jeff is the chair of
> the conference committee and helped organize every single FOSS4G we
> have celebrated so far, so he is a perfect fit. But he cannot spend as
> much time as will be required for FOSS4G in Beijing as a volunteer. The
> motion was not accepted by the board and so there was no decision but
> it started some thinking.
> 
> Jeff is a member of the board of directors and to avoid a conflict of
> interest he will abstain from any decision as suggested here [8]. The
> next step will be a proposal from Jeff describing the required work load
> and budget to get going. Then the board of directors will have to decide
> how to go forward – and all of this must happen asap.
> 
> You can see, this is a long ongoing process and all of it is openly
> available but, as Gary pointed out, many will probably not know anything
> about this.
> 
> So what do you think in general. Is this type of informative mail
> enough, or should we blog about the meetings in more detail, make a
> video or fully socialmedialize them? (...please bear in mind that we
> will then not be able to do other stuff, so it should better be
> important, not just a nice to have).  Suggestions are welcome.
> 
> Thanks,
> Arnulf
> 
> [1] http://wiki.osgeo.org/wiki/Board
> [2] http://irclogs.geoapt.com/osgeo/   ...starting at 17:03:02
> [3] http://lists.osgeo.org/mailman/listinfo/board
> [4] http://wiki.osgeo.org/wiki/Board_Meeting_2011-11-10#Minutes
> [5] http://irclogs.geoapt.com/osgeo/%23osgeo.2011-11-10.log
> [6] http://wiki.osgeo.org/wiki/FOSS4G_2012
> [7] http://lists.osgeo.org/pipermail/board/2011-September/008872.html
> [8] http://lists.osgeo.org/pipermail/board/2011-September/008894.html
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[OSGeo-Discuss] Charter Member Nomination: Dirk Frigne

[Bart van den Eijnden]

Hi all,

I have the pleasure to nominate Dirk Frigne for OSGeo charter membership.

Dirk is an entrepreneur in open source geospatial from Belgium, a business 
leader. He is the founder of the company called Geosparc, which is the main 
company behind the OSGeo project Geomajas. Dirk is also the community manager 
for Geomajas. Geosparc regularly has a booth at the FOSS4G conferences.

Furthermore Dirk is secretary of FLAGIS, the Flemish association for geographic 
information systems and chairman of the geGIS round table, a discussion forum 
of Flemish GIS users and developers, interested in the use of OSS solutions for 
governmental open source business cases.

I think Dirk with his business experience would be a valuable addition to OSGeo.

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[OSGeo-Discuss] Charter Member Nomination: Eric Lemoine

[Bart van den Eijnden (OSGIS)]

Dear all,

I have the pleasure to nominate Eric Lemoine as a charter member for OsGeo.

Eric is a developer and PSC member of many OsGeo projects:

* OpenLayers
* GeoExt
* MapFish

He is a leading figure in those communities, and a master in JavaScript
and Python.

Eric is a software engineer / technical leader at CampToCamp in France,
one of leading companies in open source geospatial.

Best regards,
Bart

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Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] FOSS GIS Clients for ArcGIS server

[Bart van den Eijnden (OSGIS)]

OpenLayers (http://www.openlayers.org) can.

Check the examples page and search for ArcGIS

http://www.openlayers.org/dev/examples/

Best regards,
Bart

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> organization manages several ArcGIS servers and we provide a Flash based
> map viewer (http://geonb.snb.ca/geonb/).  We are exposing the ArcGIS REST
> services (http://geonb.snb.ca/ArcGIS/rest/services), however we are not
> providing any OGC services.  Are there any FOSS map clients that can
> consume the ESRI ArcGIS REST services?
>
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Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] ESRI-OSS: just FYI

[Bart van den Eijnden (OSGIS)]

As many people have said already, it seems to be pure marketing.

As Cedric Moullet said on Twitter [1]:
"ArcGIS Server Geoportal goes OpenSource. Just a joke, ArcGis Server is
required... it's again a marketing campaign useless for SDI !"

As Jeroen Ticheler said on Twitter [2]:
"Pure coincidence? ESRI Geoportal toolkit => open source & INSPIRE
GeoPortal requirement => open source. Don't forget to OSS the backend ;)"

[1] https://twitter.com/cedricmoullet
[2] https://twitter.com/ticheler

Best regards,
Bart

> Hi,
>
> Exploring SourceForge I have found:
> http://sourceforge.net/apps/mediawiki/geoportal/index.php?title=Main_Page
> Is it a proof for the strong impact of FOSS community on proprietary
> software
> providers?
>
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Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] is TileCache alive ?

[Bart van den Eijnden]

Sure, it has moved to OsGeo infrastructure.

http://lists.osgeo.org/pipermail/tilecache/

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On Sep 1, 2010, at 10:45 AM, Sebastian E. Ovide wrote:

> Hi Guys,
> 
> from http://openlayers.org/pipermail/tilecache/ it is possible to see mails 
> up to April.
> 
> Is TileCache project alive ?
> 
> thanks
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[OSGeo-Discuss] OSGeo Board Election 2010 - Nomination for Tim Schaub

[Bart van den Eijnden]

Hello OSGeo board election 2010 committee,

I would like to nominate Tim Schaub for the OSGeo Board.

Tim has shown strong leadership in both the OpenLayers and the GeoExt 
community. He has got excellent technical skills, but above all he also has 
excellent communication skills. Normally this is a rare combination to find.

Tim is part of both the OpenLayers as well as the GeoExt Project Steering 
Committee (PSC), for the OpenLayers PSC he is the chair.

Tim is working for OpenGeo, a company which has changed open source GIS for 
sure in the last few years, and continues to do so more and more, with adding 
great support packages and productizing a stack of excellent software 
components.

I believe Tim would be a very valuable addition to the OSGeo board. Thanks in 
advance.

Best regards,
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Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] Which hotels do you go to for FOSS4G

[Bart van den Eijnden (OSGIS)]

Hey Yves,

I agree it's a shame there is not more coordination when it comes to
accommodation.

I myself booked the Vincci Arena Hotel, and I heard of some others booking
the Onix Fira.

Best regards,
Bart

> Hi Folks,
>
> I noticed there were no priviledged hotel for FOSS4G (which is a drag
> IMO) so I was wondering where attendees are intending to go so we try
> and book our hotel room or apartment (there seems to be quite a few of
> those for weekly rents) close to at least one signficant group of
> attendees.  So where are you attendees staying ?
>
> Cheers,
>
> Yves
>
> P.S.  Oddly enough the FOSS4G event is not listed on tthe venue site
> (Palau de Congresso) : http://www.firabcn.es/showsCongresses/begin.do ...
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Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] OKF / OSGeo response to the consultation on opening Ordnance Survey data

[Bart van den Eijnden]

Hi Jo,

I am +1 on supporting this initiative.

Thanks to Schuyler for waking us up!

Best regards,
Bart

On Feb 22, 2010, at 4:26 PM, Jo Walsh wrote:

> dear a...@osgeo,
> 
> In sending this mail I'm following the protocol for letters of support coming 
> from OSGeo:
> http://wiki.osgeo.org/wiki/Protocol_for_requesting_letter_of_support
> 
> As you may have heard, there's a public consultation running in the UK
> on options for open licensing national mapping data maintained by
> Ordnance Survey.
> 
> There's been some discussion on the OSGeo-UK list and the Open Knowledge 
> Foundation discuss list about a shared response to the consultation.
> 
> Here's the basically final draft - wording could change a little.
> http://docs.google.com/Doc?docid=0ATJnv_t9ROmXZGN0Yjk3ampfMjBmM2ZqZnpkMg&hl=en
> 
> The consultation outlines 3 options: 1) is Do Nothing, 2) is Open
> Everything, 3) is "staged release" of some products including postcode
> geolocations (critical in the UK as a postal code is typically less than a 
> city block in size) and adminstrative boundaries.
> 
> The response sets the case for a modified Option 2, all raw vector data.
> 
> Deadline for the response is March 17th, but it would be great to
> publish it within the next week, so it can be circulated and perhaps
> have a chance of influencing others' responses.
> 
> This would be a shared response with the Open Knowledge Foundation.
> 
> [[During a period of 3 days (72 hours) the OSGeo community will have an 
> opportunity to respond with comments indicating why OSGeo should or should 
> not explicitly support the project. If more information is required that 
> should be stated during this review period.]]
> 
> Still accepting edits, but don't plan to change the intent of the doc.
> 
> be well all,
> 
> 
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[OSGeo-Discuss] good luck to the NY code sprinters!

[Bart van den Eijnden]

I would like to thank everyone attending the NY code sprint (from tomorrow - 
tuesday) for their time and hard work. This is one of the greatest initiatives, 
and it's a shame I cannot attend.

Good luck to everyone, and I look forward to the outcomes, and I will try and 
watch progress through the various systems (blog, Trac etc.).

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Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] Auto-cataloging of image files

[Bart van den Eijnden]

Write a simple DOS for loop in a batch file instead.

Best regards,
Bart

On Feb 11, 2010, at 1:58 AM, Simon Cropper (Botanicus Australia Pty Ltd) wrote:

> Paul,
> 
> Does not appear to work with wild cards e.g. *.jpg or *.ecw, and does not 
> recognize ecw files (even when the name is explicitly referenced).
> Cheers Simon
> 
> Simon Cropper 
> Botanicus Australia Pty Ltd
> PO Box 160, Sunshine, Victoria 3020.
> P: 9311 5822. M: 041 830 3437.
> mailto: scrop...@botanicusaustralia.com.au 
> web: www.botanicusaustralia.com.au 
> 
> On 11/02/2010 11:06 AM, Paul Ramsey wrote:
>> 
>> http://www.gdal.org/gdaltindex.html
>> 
>> On Wed, Feb 10, 2010 at 4:02 PM, Simon Cropper (Botanicus Australia
>> Pty Ltd)  wrote:
>>   
>>> Hi,
>>> 
>>> First, sorry for cross-posting to anyone also on the gvSIG-International
>>> List.
>>> 
>>> I just received a CD, and regularly receive CDs, with ~100 1km x 1km ECW
>>> Tiles as part of a contract. Does anyone know of a routine to scan these
>>> files or their associated header files and creates a shapefile showing the
>>> extent of each image?
>>> 
>>> I sort of imagine running the routine, being asked to specify the directory
>>> containing the image data then having a polygon layer appear with the extent
>>> of each tile. The attribute table would be populated with layer name,
>>> coordinates, and any other metadata that can be gleaned from the files.
>>> --
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>>> 
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[OSGeo-Discuss] code sprint before or after the conference

[Bart van den Eijnden (OSGIS)]

Hi list,

today I was at the code sprint in Sydney, and after a whole week of 
conference with the associated beers and late nights, nothing much 
productive came out of me unfortunately, which was to be expected.


So for next year in Barcelona, I would really appreciate it if the code 
sprint code would be *before* the conference starts.


How do other people feel about this?

Best regards,
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Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] discussion or FUD

[Bart van den Eijnden (OSGIS)]

It's a rainy day here and why not read some more of his blog I thought, 
until I encountered:


http://owston.blogspot.com/2009/05/opengeo-team-is-faster-and-better-than.html

Best regards,
Bart

Paolo Cavallini wrote:

Bart van den Eijnden (OSGIS) ha scritto:
  

Thanks for attending us to this thread Paolo.

FUD is the word for sure. More fud from the same guy on the benchmark
exercise:

http://owston.blogspot.com/2009/09/geospatial-performance-benchmarks.html



Ha! This says something ;)

"I find myself spending such a HUGE part of my time getting the competitive 
software
to even "work" to do the test."

How log do any of us take to have a running mapserver or geoserver? ;)

Thanks Bart for letting know.
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Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] discussion or FUD

[Bart van den Eijnden (OSGIS)]

Thanks for attending us to this thread Paolo.

FUD is the word for sure. More fud from the same guy on the benchmark 
exercise:


http://owston.blogspot.com/2009/09/geospatial-performance-benchmarks.html

Best regards,
Bart

Paolo Cavallini wrote:

http://www.linkedin.com/e/vaq/7776133/55322/7269457/view_disc/
I would appreciate if somebody from OSGeo could jump in the discussion - it may 
get
rather pointless, but leaving such FUD around without a reply will not be good 
IMHO.
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Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] Generic Geometry Library (ggl)

[Bart van den Eijnden (OSGIS)]

Hi Barend,

"The performance of the library is compared with other C++ OS GIS 
libraries and we measured that the library seems to be much faster than 
most of them, caused by the template approach. "


Do you have any more details on this performance study? Which libraries 
(GEOS?, ...) did you compare to, and how much speed improvement was 
there in your test cases?


Best regards,
Bart

Barend Gehrels wrote:

Dear list,

It is a pleasure for us to announce the Generic Geometry Library (ggl).

It is an Open Source library, written in C++. The library is template 
based, and generic. With generic we mean that the algorithms work not 
only with the provided geometries, but also with geometries that are 
defined by the library user, such as legacy points, custom 
linestrings, etc.


Because of this the library is following OGC conventions loosely, not 
strictly. All algorithms are implemented as standalone functions, 
instead of methods on geometries. Nevertheless, OGC conventions, names 
and meanings are followed as much as possible. Not all OGC algorithms 
are already implemented. On the other hand the library offers other 
things such as distance calculations over the globe.


So it is a library modelled as the C++ std:: library and as most Boost 
libraries are. The library is proposed to Boost (Boost is a well-known 
peer reviewed C++ Library Collection). It is following the Boost 
Software License, which is a permissive Open Source License.


The library is accessible via SVN at Boost: 
https://svn.boost.org/svn/boost/sandbox/ggl but can also be downloaded 
from http://geometrylibrary.geodan.nl. Much documentation and many 
examples can be found there. Note for example the Custom Linestring 
example showing things which cannot so easily be done with 
non-template libraries.


The library contains projections from PROJ4, converted to C++ . We 
first wanted to include PROJ4 as an example, like we did with ShapeLib 
and GD. However, we concluded that they fit better being implemented 
as C++ templates, so they are automatically converted (it is 
reproducable). Like there is a PROJ4 Javascript branch, this might be 
considered as a PROJ4 C++ branch. We like your opinion about this.


The library is in "preview 4", it has been submitted as preview to 
Boost three times, last year. Based on many comments the library has 
been enhanced. We think it is now in a proper shape to be used, and 
that algorithms can now be added without that everything is 
restructured again.


The performance of the library is compared with other C++ OS GIS 
libraries and we measured that the library seems to be much faster 
than most of them, caused by the template approach.


We welcome any type of comment, opinion or cooperation.

Barend Gehrels, Geodan, Amsterdam, the Netherlands
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Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] OGC and OSGeo Sign Memorandum of Understanding

[Bart van den Eijnden (OSGIS)]

Hey Tyler,

I understood from some people/discussions that the individual membership 
can only be used when the individual owns their IP (intellectual 
property). So people working in a company, where the company owns the 
persons IP, would not be able to use this membership.


Is this true, are you able to shed some light on this?

What will be OsGeo's policy for selecting the 6 people?

Best regards,
Bart

Tyler Mitchell (OSGeo) wrote:

From: http://www.opengeospatial.org/pressroom/pressreleases/944
Wayland, Mass., January 7, 2009 - In Valencia, Spain, at the December 
Technical Committee meetings of the Open Geospatial Consortium, Inc. 
(OGC), the OGC and the Open Source Geospatial Foundation (OSGeo) 
signed a Memorandum of Understanding to coordinate in advancing open 
geospatial standards (OGC's mission) and open source geospatial 
software and data (OSGeo's mission).


Mark Reichardt, CEO and President of the OGC, explained that, 
"Openness benefits markets. Vendors of proprietary software have found 
that today's more open and complex "business ecosystem," which 
includes both open source software and open standards, is good for 
their businesses. It's also good for technology users. It makes sense 
for the OGC to work with the OSGeo."


Open source software is software that has been designed and developed 
in an open, community process. The OGC's open standards are similarly 
developed in an open, community process, but they are specifications 
(for interfaces, encodings and best practices), not software.


Arnulf Christl, President of OSGeo, said, "We look forward to 
collaborating with the OGC to identify open source technologies that 
can be used as reference implementations for OGC standards and to 
identify standards requirements that result from our open source 
geospatial software development programs."


The MOU provides for the assignment of up to six one-year Individual 
Memberships in the OGC. Memberships will be selected by OSGeo and are 
subject to OGC qualifications for Individual Membership.


The OSGeo is a not-for-profit organization founded in 2006 whose 
mission is to support and promote the collaborative development of 
open source geospatial technologies and data.


The OGC® is an international consortium of more than 365 companies, 
government agencies, research organizations, and universities 
participating in a consensus process to develop publicly available 
geospatial standards. OpenGIS® Standards support interoperable 
solutions that "geo-enable" the Web, wireless and location-based 
services, and mainstream IT. OGC Standards empower technology 
developers to make geospatial information and services accessible and 
useful with any application that needs to be geospatially enabled. 
Visit the OGC website at http://www.opengeospatial.org/.


Contact:
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Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] copyright question

[Bart van den Eijnden (OSGIS)]

Thanks all for this very informative thread!

Best regards,
Bart

P Kishor wrote:

On Tue, Dec 9, 2008 at 2:33 PM, Frank Warmerdam <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
  

P Kishor wrote:


Any right is only as good as its defense in the court. Just because
reputable IP lawyers may draft copyright assignments in works that
don't yet exist doesn't mean that actual copyrights in those works
exist.
  

Puneet,

I don't claim that the copyright exists before the thing being
copyrighted exists.  Only that it is possible to write a contract
that grants that copyright in advance of it actually existing.
The actual assignment for each chunk presumably takes place as
it is created and the copyright comes into existance.

I am doubtful that this tangent is really important to the question of
whether these folks can assign the copyright of their work-to-come to
OSGeo.




Yes, you are correct in stating that a contract can be written
granting rights in one's future work to someone else. That is how
"work-for-hire" works, for example.

You and I were indeed talking slightly past each other. I interpreted
Bart's question at face value -- can "OsGeo to take copyright for a
project which yet has to form." The answer is "no." There are no
rights yet, so nothing can be taken. On the other hand, can a creator
of a work give up one's rights in future work to OSGeo? Sure, based on
a contract, one can.

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Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] copyright question

[Bart van den Eijnden (OSGIS)]

So if the project had been formed, but does not contain any source code 
as yet it's possible? Or am I misinterpreting your words?


Best regards,
Bart

P Kishor wrote:

On Tue, Dec 9, 2008 at 1:11 PM, Bart van den Eijnden (OSGIS)
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
  

Hi list,

today I was in a meeting about GeoExt, and the following question came up:

"Is it possible for OsGeo to take copyright for a project which yet has to
form and has not passed incubation as such?"



Just looking at the above question, the answer would be "no" in the
US. In the US, per  Title 17, Section 102, "original works of
authorship" have to be "fixed in any tangible medium of expression"
before they can acquire copyright protection. Since the said project
hasn't yet been formed, it can't be protected.


  

A commercial company has expressed issues contributing if the copyright is
not owned by a trustworthy independent organization such as OsGeo.

Is anybody able to answer this? TIA.

Best regards,
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[OSGeo-Discuss] copyright question

[Bart van den Eijnden (OSGIS)]

Hi list,

today I was in a meeting about GeoExt, and the following question came up:

"Is it possible for OsGeo to take copyright for a project which yet has 
to form and has not passed incubation as such?"


A commercial company has expressed issues contributing if the copyright 
is not owned by a trustworthy independent organization such as OsGeo.


Is anybody able to answer this? TIA.

Best regards,
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Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] Language Specific Lists Summary

[Bart van den Eijnden (OSGIS)]

Hey Chris,

luckily the Dutch are pretty English-minded, so 99,9% of the people will 
be able to ask the question in English, which would be my preferred way. 
If people really can't speak English, yeah they can come to the Dutch 
osgeo list, no problem. I would really discourage the use for the 
exception of language handicapped people.


Best regards,
Bart

Christopher Schmidt wrote:

All,

>From my previous thread, I've come up with the following list of foreign
langauge OSGeo discussion lists:

 * French: http://lists.osgeo.org/mailman/listinfo/francophone
 * Japanese: http://lists.osgeo.org/mailman/listinfo/osgeojapan-discuss
 * Italian: http://www.faunalia.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/gfoss
 * Spanish: http://lists.osgeo.org/mailman/listinfo/spanish

My understanding is that each of these lists would be supportive of
users who, for example, were having a problem with OpenLayers and needed
help getting more help due to their inability to speak English. 


It appears that there are also the following language lists on the
lists.osgeo.org server:

 Dutch -- http://lists.osgeo.org/mailman/listinfo/dutch
 Portugese -- http://lists.osgeo.org/mailman/listinfo/brasil
 Finnish/Swedish -- http://lists.osgeo.org/mailman/listinfo/finland

Would these lists be open to the above?

Also, from the AGM, there were local chapters for:

 * Korea
 * India
 * Germany 


Which are not represented in these lists. Are there lists for these
chapters hosted elsewhere? Would they be open to such questions?

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Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] some post-FOSS4G thoughts

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I don't think this is really fair on the organizers, if you don't have 
time to do a Google search for accommodation or follow one low traffic 
mailing list (open source people are mostly following or actively 
participating on multiple e-mail lists), then how do you find the time 
to actually attend the full conference week at all.


Every trip needs some preparation, which you need to be prepared to put 
into it.


I do agree that it might have been easier if those options had been 
listed (but on the other hand I also understand the commercial reasons 
behind them not being listed),.


Best regards,
Bart

Laura Toma wrote:


Registration + hotel represent 1/2 of the 
price of the trip. So together they WERE a deciding factor.I am 
always too busy, so browsing the discuss lists and the web for B&B in 
Cape Town was not an option.   If the conference is not targeted 
towards business,  then the conference accommodation site should 
include budget hotels (the 5-star hotels can circulate on the discuss 
lists for those interested). 

-Laura 




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Subject: RE: [OSGeo-Discuss] some post-FOSS4G thoughts

To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED] <mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]>>, "OSGeo 
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mailto:discuss@lists.osgeo.org>>, 
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This thread has been doing the rounds on the conference_dev list as well


Some of my thoughts in the aftermath of FOSS4G 2008.


I have heard very positive feedback from all quarters. As Arnulf alluded

to in the AGM, I believe the decision to host in an 'untested' location

WORKED. The mix of FOSS and proprietary worlds WORKED. The mix of the

full-spectrum ecosystem from geek to user to academic to businessperson

to government official WORKED.


It WORKED on so many levels we'll be seeing positive spin-offs for years

to come. 



Business people loved meeting developers and picking up the sense of

community.


Developers loved being with other developers and interacting with users

and funders.  And we did manage a code sprint of around 40 people.

http://wiki.osgeo.org/wiki/FOSS4G2008_CodeSprint 



Cost:

-Registration was well within the limits set by OSGeo of $600. It was

NOT the deciding factor for most people. Academics and students got 50%

discount, but these were a minority. 


-Travel was THE deciding factor.

-Accommodation: yes, 'official' hotels where our agents got block

bookings were not exactly budget prices (global tourist destination in

high season) but we advertised and listed many links for organising

one's own cheap accommodation from backpackers to B&Bs. So that should

not have been a factor.

-with more sponsorship we would have loved to support those who could

not afford it. Luckily many who asked made a plan of their own.


By its nature, a moving conference will be expensive to get to from many

places. But it will be cheap and accessible to regional attendees and

that's the point. That's part of OSGeo's mission. 



The value of bringing FOSS4G to South Africa (or Sydney or other future

global venues) far outweighs the 'cost' to a few who could not make it.

Sydney will be in the same boat next year - far from almost everywhere.

But they're already focussing on Australia/NZ and Southeast Asia. And a

core contingent of OSGeo techies WILL make it to FOSS4G each year. And

there you have the magic mix.


So, from me:

-keep FOSS4G roaming the globe annually

-stimulate and support local or regional events whenever and wherever

they emerge

-keep the FOSS4G mix as it is - don't split along a perceived

technical-business divide. 


-put out RFPs even earlier to allow time to secure cheap venues, big

sponsorships, optimal scheduling, etc. A case in point is

http://www.igarss09.org/ where the conference was awarded years back

enabling the hosting of thousands at a cheap venue (university).  



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[OSGeo-Discuss] INSPIRE fit/gap analysis

[Bart van den Eijnden (OSGIS)]

Hi list,

I want to toss up an idea with respect to INSPIRE. Most of the standards 
are still in draft, but I think it would be useful for the OSGEO 
community to know which gaps have to be filled in order to play a role 
in INSPIRE SDI's. This e-mail is mostly to see who is interested in both 
INSPIRE and the OSGEO software stack.


I think it could be useful to do an ongoing FIT/GAP analysis between the 
INSPIRE implementing rules and the OSGEO software stack capabilities, so 
that as a community we know where we stand, and we can quickly make sure 
the software stack is ready for INSPIRE. It is an opportunity not to 
miss IMHO.


If you are interested, can you please sign up with your name on the 
OSGEO Wiki INSPIRE page?

http://wiki.osgeo.org/wiki/INSPIRE

Any further discussion should be done on the OSGEO standards list 
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subscribed, please go to:

http://lists.osgeo.org/mailman/listinfo/standards

Thanks in advance.

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[OSGeo-Discuss] open source GIS event in the Netherlands (17-6)

[Bart van den Eijnden (OSGIS)]

Hi list,

a small announcement for the people based in The Netherlands (and 
nearby), 17 june there is a full-day open source GIS event in Delft, 
with (among other things) workshops on OpenLayers and PostGIS.


For more info:

http://www.osgeo.nl/

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Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] Proposal: OSGeo Cartographic Library

[Bart van den Eijnden (OSGIS)]

One addition to what Chris points out, to complicate things :-), SVG 
vector symbols can also be used inside an SLD document (for a Mark).


To be even more precise, we are really talking about the Symbology 
Encoding (SE) spec here. SLD as of version 1.1 only deals with the 
integration of symbology encoding into WMS. Symbology (and the rules) 
was taken out of SLD since it is more generic than only WMS. But most 
current implementations still use SLD 1.0 where all is in one spec.


http://www.opengeospatial.org/standards/symbol

Best regards,
Bart

Christopher Schmidt wrote:

On Tue, Apr 15, 2008 at 06:53:19PM +0300, Ari Jolma wrote:
  

Frank Warmerdam kirjoitti:


In my opinion we would be better off starting with a widely accepted
standard like SLD as a basis of a feature styling standard
  
I'm right now looking at SVG. It is a full graphics description 
language, but maybe the styling information could be somehow picked out 
an reused for our purposes. SVG is becoming more popular and for example 
many symbol sets (also mapping symbols) are already in SVG. Thus we'd 
also need tools for parsing SVG.



SVG *isn't* a rule language: SVG is one possible output of taking a Rule
language (SLD), combining it with geography and attributes (GML,
Shapefile, what have you), and creating a final product.

Other products could include raster images  (PNG, JPG), Other vector
formats (VML, Canvas in the browser, PDF, PS, .ai), or encodings into
things like KML.

  
If the stylings that are distributed with geodatasets are SVG, then 
producing SVG maps would be easier, wouldn't it?



I'm not sure this really makes sense. 


SVG is a style language. SLD is a Rule language. SLD is the source: SVG
is the destination (one of many).

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Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] Re: idea for an OSGeo project -- a new, open data format

[Bart van den Eijnden (OSGIS)]

I agree that most of these things don't belong in a data format.

But for metadata it would really make sense to be in there IMHO, and
information about the projection/CRS as well. Data without metadata is
worthless anyway (in an ideal world ...).

For shapefiles one can compare this to the .prj projection file and the .xml
metadata file.

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> On Wed, Nov 14, 2007 at 04:12:21AM -0600, [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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> > I would just love to click open and see something nice, specially if
> > someone has already taken the time to make it beautiful.
> > 
> > Think of it as the output of a word processor instead of an editor.
> > Excel vs. VisiCalc; and the list may go on forever.
> > 
> > All this is to say: not only the data needs a better container, the
maps
> > as well.
> 
> A data format is not a 'container' for maps, it's a container for data.
> The container for your maps should be something like WMC (though I
> don't know if it makes sense off the web): grouping together datasources
> and SLD and the like. The first half of the things you identified:
> 
> > - optional space for metadata,
> > - optional thumnails (in 2 sizes: thumb and browse)
> > - optional embeded symbols (truetype/svg glyphs) and prefered layout
> > - optional coloring and styles, break values, rendering and
> >   scale limits, persistent joins or relates, color ramp, ...
> 
> are things which are provided by SLD and the like, which means that you
> really want SDF + WMC -- I don't think that this is SDF's job, and I
> don't think that it should be the job of any geodata format.
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[OSGeo-Discuss] domains

[Bart van den Eijnden (OSGIS)]

Is it not wise to already claim domains like foss4g2008.org and maybe even
further down the line?

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Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] OSGeo Board Election Results

[Bart van den Eijnden (OSGIS)]

Maybe it's wise to check with the nominees if they object against 
publishing the results?


I agree with Tamas this would be interesting.

Best regards,
Bart

Frank Warmerdam schreef:

Tamas Szekeres wrote:
I'd also like to see the total count of votes per person it it is 
possible.

I guess it might have been a close competition.


Tamas,

It has been my suggestion that actual vote counts per candidate not be
distributed due to the possible risk of embarrassment, etc.  If you, or
other members feel this is insufficiently transparent the issue could be
revisited.

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Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] how many open source gis in the world

[Bart van den Eijnden (OSGIS)]

Look at Paul Ramsey's excellent overview in that case:

http://www.refractions.net/white_papers/oss_briefing/2006-06-OSS-Briefing.pdf

Btw Ciao means bye in Italian and is not part of a name :-)

Best regards,
Bart

broad sky schreef:

Hi Ciao Jeroen:
   Thank you .I don't want to kown how much these applications 
are used around the world.I want to know how many open source gis 
softwares have been developed around the world and information about 
these softwares such as supported OS ,develope language etc.


Broad Sky


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Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] Re: FOSS4G 2007 Workshop Submission

[Bart van den Eijnden (OSGIS)]

If you make it two hour workshops you can have 18 instead of 12.

2 hours is more than enough IMHO.

Best regards,
Bart

Paul Ramsey schreef:

Jeroen,

I appreciate your frustration, and I know it is shared by many others, 
as only 12 of the 34 3-hour workshop submissions could be hosted.  The 
criteria the workshop committee used in their evaluation are here:


http://wiki.osgeo.org/index.php/FOSS4G2007_Workshops#Criteria_used_by_the_workshop_committee_to_review_workshop_submissions 



All the committee members ranked the submissions on those criteria and 
the rankings were averaged.  Two workshops in the top 12 that were 
topic duplicates were removed and the next-lowest-ranked 
non-duplicates were moved up.  It appears that being on the committee 
is no guarantee of satisfaction with the final result. The average of 
a bunch of lists people want is a list that no one is 100% happy with.


Paul

On 28-Mar-07, at 10:36 PM, Jeroen Ticheler wrote:


Dear people,

Thank you for your information. I have to say I find that pretty 
frustrating and annoying knowing that GeoNetwork opensource is one of 
the incubator projects of OSGEO, the number of OSGEO projects is 
(still) limited and FOSS4G is the OSGEO conference.


Participating with the project in OSGEO has multiple reasons, one of 
them being that it provides opportunities to work on synergies and 
work on marketing the OSGEO software stack. Now how does the intent 
of OSGEOs mission fit with refusing a (single) workshop on one of its 
projects. Maybe I miss something, but I'd assumed there was at least 
some kind of a relation!?


Looking forward to some good feedback and discussion on this, also on 
the OSGEO mailing list as I consider that discussion very relevant in 
the further development of outreach strategies for ourselves and the 
OSGEO foundation through conferences.


Core question:

"Should OSGEO projects have guaranteed workshop and presentation 
space for at least one session?"


Regards,
Jeroen

On Mar 28, 2007, at 5:58 PM, FOSS4G 2007 wrote:


Dear Jeroen Ticheler,

We regret to inform you that we will not be able to accept your Half 
Day
workshop, "Using the GeoNetwork opensource Spatial Data Catalog", 
for the
FOSS4G 2007 program.  We had a very large number of submissions this 
year, and

 have been able to accept less than half of them
.

We hope you will consider bringing some of your ideas to the 
conference in the
 form of a presentation. The Call for Presentations is currently 
open, and

there is room for 120 presentations at the conference this year
.

http://www.foss4g2007.org/presentations

Yours,

The FOSS4G 2007 Conference Committee





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Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] "Free"

[Bart van den Eijnden (OSGIS)]

That's a different thing.

The workshop is *showcasing* Oracle Mapviewer.

The workshops you mention aren't showcasing Windows XP, they merely 
depend on it.


Best regards,
Bart

Dave Patton schreef:

Bart van den Eijnden (OSGIS) wrote:

But the workshop includes XE as well as Mapviewer.

So the latter will always cost money for production purposes if I 
understand all this stuff correctly.


That will be a good enough reason to reject the workshop IMHO, 
otherwise you trick attendees into thinking that they can build free 
production applications using this stack of software.


I'll just point out that so far, half of the workshop
submissions require the Windows XP platform, which is
neither free nor open source. Whether people who use
MS Windows are being "tricked" is a topic for a whole
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Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] "Free"

[Bart van den Eijnden (OSGIS)]

But the workshop includes XE as well as Mapviewer.

So the latter will always cost money for production purposes if I 
understand all this stuff correctly.


That will be a good enough reason to reject the workshop IMHO, otherwise 
you trick attendees into thinking that they can build free production 
applications using this stack of software.


Best regards,
Bart

Paul Ramsey schreef:
XE goes beyond that and is actually fully free-as-in-beer for 
deployment as well as development, as you have pointed out in your 
previous examinations.


I am merely expressing our frustrations at having accidentally 
solicited a talk about free software, when what we really wanted were 
talks about free software.  I am really looking forward to explaining 
that point.  A lot.


P.

Bart van den Eijnden (OSGIS) wrote:
As Jody points out, isn't the OTN Development License only useful for 
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Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] "Free"

[Bart van den Eijnden (OSGIS)]

As Jody points out, isn't the OTN Development License only useful for 
creating prototypes and doing development?


"We grant you a nonexclusive, nontransferable limited license to use the 
programs only for the purpose of developing a single prototype of your 
application, and not for any other purpose.  If you use the application 
you develop under this license for any internal data processing or for 
any commercial or production purposes, or you want to use the programs 
for any purpose other than as permitted under this agreement, you must 
contact us, or an Oracle reseller, to obtain the appropriate license. "


Best regards,
Bart

Jody Garnett schreef:

So is the conference about "Free" and "Open Source" software ...
or "Free and Open Source software" ...

(*cough*  
http://www.amazon.com/Eats-Shoots-Leaves-Tolerance-Punctuation/dp/1592400876 
)


Looking at MapViewer pages - trying to see if I can download the 
source code:

- http://www.oracle.com/technology/software/products/mapviewer/index.html

I can download an EAR file (but need the usual I am not a terrorist 
disclaimer) and "Oracle Technology Network Development License 
Agreement" - not sure if that is an open source license or not?


It does have the following:

Open Source
"Open Source" software - software available without charge for use, 
modification and distribution - is often licensed under terms that 
require the user to make the user's modifications to the Open Source 
software or any software that the user 'combines' with the Open 
Source software freely available in source code form.  If you use 
Open Source software in conjunction with the programs, you must 
ensure that your use does not: (i) create, or purport to create, 
obligations of us with respect to the Oracle programs; or (ii) grant, 
or purport to grant, to any third party any rights to or immunities 
under our intellectual property or proprietary rights in the Oracle 
programs.  For example, you may not develop a software program using 
an Oracle program and an Open Source program where such use results 
in a program file(s) that contains code from both the Oracle program 
and the Open Source program (including without limitation libraries) 
if the Open Source program is licensed under a license that requires 
any "modifications" be made freely available.  You also may not 
combine the Oracle program with programs licensed under the GNU 
General Public License ("GPL") in any manner that could cause, or 
could be interpreted or asserted to cause, the Oracle program or any 
modifications thereto to become subject to the terms of the GPL.
Bleck; I just wish they would publish their jdbc drivers in a maven 
repository some where and get out of my way. Nice database - shame 
about the source code.

Jody

Jody
Oracle has submitted this workshop proposal to the "Free and Open 
Source Software for Geospatial 2007 Conference".


This workshop describes how to use Oracle Database Express Edition 
(XE) and Oracle MapViewer to develop a simple yet powerful geospatial 
web application called “Geo Tags”. Documents (photos, pdf or word 
docs, video clips) are geo-tagged and stored in the database. 
MapViewer displays the locations referenced in the geo-tags and 
retrieves documents at, or within, a user specified location.




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Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] "Free"

[Bart van den Eijnden (OSGIS)]

I guess the answer to my question is in their FAQ:

10. Is it possible to deploy MapViewer on a 3rd party application server 
such

as JBoss?
This is not supported or recommended. However users have successfully
deployed the mapviewer.ear file downloaded from OTN into a 3rd party J2EE
compliant container, such as JBoss. You will need the Oracle JDBC driver
(classes12.jar or ojdbc14.jar) and Oracle XML parser (xmlparserv2.jar) 
in the

J2EE container's library path. The latest versions of both should work.
Note that for WebLogic, it appears that you must manually unpack the
mapviewer.ear file and then deploy from the unpacked directory. If you 
deploy

from the mapviewer.ear to WebLogic MapViewer will not initialize properly.

Best regards,
Bart

Bart van den Eijnden (OSGIS) schreef:

Doesn't the Oracle Mapviewer depend on the Oracle Application Server?

I can't imagine the last one is free, or did I miss something?

Best regards,
Bart

Paul Ramsey schreef:

Oracle has submitted this workshop proposal to the "Free and Open Source
Software for Geospatial 2007 Conference".

  Developing GeoSpatial applications for Oracle XE
  (the free Express Edition of the Oracle database).

  This workshop describes how to use Oracle Database
  Express Edition (XE) and Oracle MapViewer to develop a
  simple yet powerful geospatial web application called
  “Geo Tags”. Documents (photos, pdf or word docs,
  video clips) are geo-tagged and stored in the database.
  MapViewer displays the locations referenced in the
  geo-tags and retrieves documents at, or within,
  a user specified location.

Looks great to me! I would go (hope it's not cross scheduled with 
*my* workshop...). And the software they are showing is free. So, a 
perfect fit.


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[Bart van den Eijnden (OSGIS)]

Doesn't the Oracle Mapviewer depend on the Oracle Application Server?

I can't imagine the last one is free, or did I miss something?

Best regards,
Bart

Paul Ramsey schreef:

Oracle has submitted this workshop proposal to the "Free and Open Source
Software for Geospatial 2007 Conference".

  Developing GeoSpatial applications for Oracle XE
  (the free Express Edition of the Oracle database).

  This workshop describes how to use Oracle Database
  Express Edition (XE) and Oracle MapViewer to develop a
  simple yet powerful geospatial web application called
  “Geo Tags”. Documents (photos, pdf or word docs,
  video clips) are geo-tagged and stored in the database.
  MapViewer displays the locations referenced in the
  geo-tags and retrieves documents at, or within,
  a user specified location.

Looks great to me! I would go (hope it's not cross scheduled with *my* 
workshop...). And the software they are showing is free. So, a perfect 
fit.


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Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] Accessing views/queries in MS Access

[Bart van den Eijnden (OSGIS)]

Please ask this question at the mapguide-users list, this list is not
intended for that:

http://lists.osgeo.org/mailman/listinfo/mapguide-users

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> Hello everyone,
>  
> is there any chance to make use of queries/views in MapGuide. I am
especially interested in making data connections towards a query
(view) in MS Access. The data I need is stored in different tables and
therefore I need this view. In MapGuide 
> 6.5 it was not a problem to access views.
> If not is there any workaround ?
>  
> Thanks in advance.
>  
> Kind regards,
> Ismaël
>  
>  
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Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] MapServer Vs GeoServer

[Bart van den Eijnden (OSGIS)]

IMHO in general Mapserver is better at WMS, Geoserver is better at WFS. 
Although I must admit I haven't checked Geoserver's WMS capabilities in 
a while.


One big difference is that Geoserver supports WFS-T, i.e. transactional 
WFS, and Mapserver does not.


Mapserver is not very efficient against database sources for WFS (uses 1 
SQL statement per feature retrieved), Geoserver does much better in that 
area. This is especially true for attribute queries in WFS.


And ofcourse there is the technology difference, CGI versus J2EE, which 
could influence a decision. Sometimes I meet organizations who don't 
want CGI's, but ofcourse have no problem with J2EE.


Best regards,
Bart

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