Re: [ACFUG Discuss] I find myself where I have tried to avoid going. A short rant and then a question. Would love some feedback.

[Les]

Why not code it in PHP?  I've done some PHP, it's
pretty slick, free and popular.  It will give you the chance to learn
something new and make yourself more marketable.  I work with CF
mostly, but won't hesitate to take a job doing something else.  There
are a limited number of CF jobs available, broaden your horizons.  It's
a language, not a cult.

Les

On 7/9/2010 11:48 AM, Derrick Peavy wrote:

  I know this is kind of long and winding, but I'd love some
feedback.
  
  
  
  
  
  Starting a project.  
  
  
  And, as I've discussed my coding abilities with people I meet
they are continuously giving me looks of bewildering and beguiling
amusement. Not talking about any Dick and Jane. I'm talking about folks
from the ATDC, other entrepreneurs, coders. 
  
  
  Whenever I say that I use CF, they act like someone just stepped
out from the stone age.  And, I don't care - that's their problem. I
make money from my skills and can handle 500k page views a day without
breaking a sweat in my applications and sleep well knowing I have no
errors.  But, their lack of understanding that CF even still exists
baffles me. It seems that people believe that the only web language
that exists now is PHP and possibly, Ruby (ergo, PHP).  (Hey, Bank of
America is running CF. Maybe that's not a selling point?)
  
  
  But on this new project, the folks say we need to do it in PHP
so that it can be sold off if the project works. Ok. Fine, I get that -
I really, really do and I'm actually in favor of it because I don't
want a pissing contest at that future point.  But I'm not coding it in
PHP. No such fracking way. I'll help, offer guidance on DB design, help
you translate CF code to PHP if you want. Whatever.
  
  
  And yet, these people keep saying, "Hey, it's easier for you to
learn PHP if you know CF, than for me to learn CF as a PHP developer."
That makes no sense to me.
  
  
  On one code example (in PHP), the database connection was
established on line 13 in the file    $con =
mysql_connect(db/id/pw)    and then the connection
was not closed until line 92    mysql_close($con);   
  
  
  Within those 80 lines of code, they did 2 http calls to external
web services, created two arrays, threw in 40 lines of comments and
then somewhere in the bottom, finally made a SQL statement. 
  
  
  WT-Flying-Frack
  
  
  Is this what people accept? Granted, this was by someone who
admittedly said, they were a horrible developer - but then in the same
breath asked me why this would be a problem and I kind of stood there
looking like I'd been hit by a bat.
  
  
  I've never been shy about not being a university trained
developer. But I've worked with database design since 1993, and with CF
for over 12 years. So, hey, cut me some slack.  I know I can't give you
the lingo about why an 80 line database connection is bad in pure
technical terms, but I damn well know that the faster, cleaner, shorter
you make your database calls, the better off you are for so many
reasons. 
  
  
  So, here's the question(s). 
  
  
  How do you explain to someone the basic core ideas behind CF and
PHP. PHP is an Apache module. CF runs on a java servlet or on Jrun,
Tomcat, etc. I'm honestly not the best to explain it.  But I've seen
the performance side, and it's good. And I've seen the code bloat in
PHP files and it's bad. Yeah, I know anyone in any language can write
bad code. But damn if PHP doesn't seem to be full of it. 
  
  
  An ATDC person asked me if CF was an interpreted language. I
said yes. And then he acted as if the argument was done because so is
PHP.  And so, that means what?... Therefore the two are the same and
equal? Ergo, you go open source because everything thinks thats best?
Bad argument. 
  
  
  How do you explain to someone the technical idea behind
something like CF? 
  
  
  How do you explain that even in writing a PHP page that no one
but you will ever use, that you don't do an 80 line open database
connection call unless it's 80 lines of SQL and then, that's a whole
other issue?
   
  
  
  
  
  
  
  
  
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  Derrick Peavy
  derr...@derrickpeavy.com
  404-786-5036
  
  
  “Innovation distinguishes between a leader and a follower.”
-Steve Jobs
  
  
  
  
  
  
  
  
  
  
  
  
  
  
  






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Re: [ACFUG Discuss] New to CF: Server Configuration Issue

[Les]

  
  
You might check for a missing alias mapping in
  the web service.
  
  Les

On 12/21/2010 12:17 PM, Matthew Nicholson wrote:

  
  
  

  Greetings!
  
  I've recently been tasked
  with enhancing a rather creatively developed CF
  application. While I've been able to configure the
  enviroment to run all the source and other various
  goodies. None of the sites images will load (even though
  the application seems to be running swimmingly)
  
  Path wise, everything is
  centrally located and I don't really see where the hangup
  may be.
  
  Any thoughts or suggestions
  for a newbie?
  
  Thank you very much!
  
  ~Matthew R. Nicholson

  
  
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Re: [ACFUG Discuss] strange behavior with cftoken/cfid with CF9

[Les]

That's cool, thanks.  No offense, I've just retired.

On 2/23/2018 5:50 PM, Charlie Arehart wrote:


Wow, I don’t know if there’s anyone with that ability. There was for a 
time, but then the group moved to a new system. Then it went quiet for 
a few years.


Now that it’s reviving again, surely some like Les will say “I don’t 
care to be here anymore”. I’m just not sure who has control anymore to 
remove you. (There was even a time where there was a way to remove 
yourself, but I don’t know it myself.)


So Les, if you don’t hear from anyone, you may no choice but to just 
setup a rule to just tell your mail client (or server) to delete 
messages you receive that show being sent “to” discussion@acfug.org 
<mailto:discussion@acfug.org>. (It’s also possible that this spate of 
activity will die down again. Just depends on who DOES value it.)


/charlie

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please remove me from this list.

Re: [ACFUG Discuss] strange behavior with cftoken/cfid with CF9

[Les]

please remove me from this list.

On 2/22/2018 5:58 PM, Jeff Howard wrote:


This is an older CRM application using CF 9 that hasn't been changed 
in over a year.


As of Sunday between the hours of 8 AM and 4 PM cftoken/cfid disappear 
in the middle of loading the dashboard. 2/3 of the content appears and 
then the cfid/cftoken disappear. It only occurs at very specific times 
of the day.


Any ideas?



 
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