Re: It's about time!

2013-12-27 Thread Telmo Menezes 
On Fri, Dec 27, 2013 at 10:47 PM, LizR  wrote:
> Turing is just a particularly vivid case - a "poster boy" - for the
> injustice suffered by I believe something like 50,000 people (I guess Oscar
> Wilde was an earlier one).

Yes. Sometimes our species is really nothing to write home about.

> As Brent pointed out, Turing may not have killed himself like Snow White
> biting a poisoned apple, as per the popular image, after all. It might have
> been a tragic accident.
>
> (And van Gogh may not have shot himself, either, although that seems less
> likely...)
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Re: It's about time!

2013-12-27 Thread Telmo Menezes 
On Fri, Dec 27, 2013 at 6:50 PM, meekerdb  wrote:
> On 12/27/2013 5:42 AM, Telmo Menezes wrote:
>
>
>
>
> On Tue, Dec 24, 2013 at 9:31 PM, LizR  wrote:
>>
>> PS just to give a flavour here is one of my posts :-)
>>
>> "Alan Turing gets a royal pardon"
>>
>> And about bloody time! (Virtually) win the second world war and
>> (virtually) invent computers, be driven to suicide by the police and they've
>> kept his "pardon" back all this time.
>>
>> FFS, you dare to wait this long to pardon him for something that hasn't
>> been a crime for god knows how long - the man who rewrite the history of the
>> 20th century for the better - you aren't worthy to kiss his boots, you bunch
>> of
>
>
> I find the "pardon" thing offensive. There's nothing to pardon. What they
> should do is apologise. Turing is the one who would have something to
> pardon.
>
>
> I absolutely agree.
>
> But did you read this:
> http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/science-environment-18561092  ?

Thanks Brent.
Yes I saw it recently. I hope that the theory that it wasn't suicide
is correct, but I'm still left with a nagging feeling that he just
staged it very well. I didn't know he was also an experimentalist, to
the point of having his own home chemistry lab. That made me like him
even more... Childish as it may be, I still have this romantic idea of
science that involves playing around with test tubes and weird
contraptions.

In any case, the chemical castration thing is monstrous. It is also
fantastically ungrateful, given how crucial Turing's work was for the
war effort.

Cheers,
Telmo.

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Re: It's about time!

2013-12-27 Thread LizR 
Turing is just a particularly vivid case - a "poster boy" - for the
injustice suffered by I believe something like 50,000 people (I guess Oscar
Wilde was an earlier one).

As Brent pointed out, Turing may not have killed himself like Snow White
biting a poisoned apple, as per the popular image, after all. It might have
been a tragic accident.

(And van Gogh may not have shot himself, either, although that seems less
likely...)

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Re: It's about time!

2013-12-27 Thread meekerdb 

On 12/27/2013 5:42 AM, Telmo Menezes wrote:




On Tue, Dec 24, 2013 at 9:31 PM, LizR mailto:lizj...@gmail.com>> wrote:

PS just to give a flavour here is one of my posts :-)

"Alan Turing gets a royal pardon"

And about bloody time! (Virtually) win the second world war and (virtually) 
invent
computers, be driven to suicide by the police and they've kept his "pardon" 
back all
this time.

FFS, you dare to wait this long to pardon him for something that hasn't 
been a crime
for god knows how long - the man who rewrite the history of the 20th 
century for the
better - you aren't worthy to kiss his boots, you bunch of


I find the "pardon" thing offensive. There's nothing to pardon. What they should do is 
apologise. Turing is the one who would have something to pardon.


I absolutely agree.

But did you read this: http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/science-environment-18561092 ?


Brent

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Re: It's about time!

2013-12-27 Thread Telmo Menezes 
On Tue, Dec 24, 2013 at 9:31 PM, LizR  wrote:

> PS just to give a flavour here is one of my posts :-)
>
> "Alan Turing gets a royal pardon"
>
> And about bloody time! (Virtually) win the second world war and
> (virtually) invent computers, be driven to suicide by the police and
> they've kept his "pardon" back all this time.
>
> FFS, you dare to wait this long to pardon him for something that hasn't
> been a crime for god knows how long - the man who rewrite the history of
> the 20th century for the better - you aren't worthy to kiss his boots, you
> bunch of
>

I find the "pardon" thing offensive. There's nothing to pardon. What they
should do is apologise. Turing is the one who would have something to
pardon.


>
> Excuse me. [image: :oops:]
>
> (As you can see I even got ungrammatical, which in my case indicates
> strong passions...)
>
>
>
>
> On 25 December 2013 10:29, LizR  wrote:
>
>> Without checking your link, I hope that's Alan Turing being "forgiven".
>>
>> (I've been ranting about this on various forums. I guess I overlooked
>> this one...)
>>
>>
>> On 25 December 2013 10:25, meekerdb  wrote:
>>
>>>
>>>
>>> This comes over 60 years too 
>>> late.
>>> But at least it came.
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Re: It's about time!

2013-12-24 Thread LizR 
PS just to give a flavour here is one of my posts :-)

"Alan Turing gets a royal pardon"

And about bloody time! (Virtually) win the second world war and (virtually)
invent computers, be driven to suicide by the police and they've kept his
"pardon" back all this time.

FFS, you dare to wait this long to pardon him for something that hasn't
been a crime for god knows how long - the man who rewrite the history of
the 20th century for the better - you aren't worthy to kiss his boots, you
bunch of

Excuse me. [image: :oops:]

(As you can see I even got ungrammatical, which in my case indicates strong
passions...)




On 25 December 2013 10:29, LizR  wrote:

> Without checking your link, I hope that's Alan Turing being "forgiven".
>
> (I've been ranting about this on various forums. I guess I overlooked this
> one...)
>
>
> On 25 December 2013 10:25, meekerdb  wrote:
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>>
>>
>> This comes over 60 years too 
>> late.
>> But at least it came.
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Re: It's about time!

2013-12-24 Thread LizR 
Without checking your link, I hope that's Alan Turing being "forgiven".

(I've been ranting about this on various forums. I guess I overlooked this
one...)


On 25 December 2013 10:25, meekerdb  wrote:

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