[FairfieldLife] Re: The meaning of *burning out your kishka's (was karma*....)
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Kenny H [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Billy We were friends or at least friendly when I was in Studio City and you, me and Jack shared the activities at the little Studio City Center. I was very suprised, I guess about a year ago, when you made a really nasty anti-Semitic remark here on FFLife. I hadn't had that kind of comment made at/to me since I was in high school and I definitely remember the effect your comment had on me. It was not a Hinjew joke. I lived in an Orthodox neighborhood in Manhattan a couple of years ago for a couple of years and the people I got to know and who knew I meditated called me a Hinjew, it's apparently a common term. Ken I kinda thought that, I hope you can accept my apology now? BillyG. . To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: The meaning of *burning out your kishka's (was karma*....)
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Jeff Fischer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Kenny H [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: the people I got to know and who knew I meditated called me a Hinjew, it's apparently a common term. Ken I used to call my ex wife my little Hinjew. And I thought I coined it. The older I get, the less clever I feel - or is that the ego (if it exists)is fading? She was never offended but it was a term of endearment, not meant to slight or belittle. Yeah, but Ken didn't say he was offended, it was another comment on AMT. One day I asked my friend 'Kathy', (at Alan Rosenstein's birthday party in Santa Monica) if she was a Hindu or a Jew, and she said a *Hinjew*, cracked me up. That little comment you made to your wife sounds a little endearing and charming too, I guess. :-) BillyG. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Why is MMY in a hurry.....
I know he has stated he was in the past, but has never said why? Isn't anything worthwhile, worth waiting for? Don't quality longlasting institutions take hundreds of years to be established, most Religions have histories of thousands of years to get to the level of acceptance they have today! BillyG. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] So where's the Shiva Lingam..
All the other Hindu metaphors seem to be prevalent/relevant, why not the Shiva Lingam. I can see one right now in the middle of Vedic City, a sort of town square! BillyG. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Re :Why is MMY in a hurry.....
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Jason Spock [EMAIL PROTECTED] -OriginalMessage-- From: wmurphy77 [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Sun, 31 Jul 2005 15:53:44 - Subject: [FairfieldLife] Why is MMY in a hurry. I know he has stated he was in the past, but has never said why? Isn't anything worthwhile, worth waiting for? Don't quality longlasting institutions take hundreds of years to be established, most Religions have histories of thousands of years to get to the level ofacceptance they have today! BillyG. * Hari Om, The coming of industrial-revolution and mass- communication technologies as made it much easier of modern day organisations to take root. The future World religion will not have any name. It will be simply called spiritualism or Yoga. It probably will be an integrated religion where teachings from wide range of sources will be taken. Jason Agreed Jason-Perhaps neo-Hinduism will have its day, but ultimately the Hindu metaphor's will be replaced with more universally accepted symbols incorporating all races, NOT JUST HINDU! BillyG. BTWShiva ain't Hindu, or any one form! To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Purport of MMY's Bhahavad Gita...
Though killing (as such) is sin, Ch1v36, Dharma (duty) superscedes 'sin' and allows Arjuna to even kill in love, Ch2vs1. What MMY has published so conflicts with what he is saying today it is astounding and leaves one's 'limbs failing and mouth parched, my body quivers and my hair stands on end'BillyG. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Purport of MMY's Bhahavad Gita...
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Llundrub [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I was thinking of the fucking Bhagavad Gita and how fallow the story and God's instructions are. To whit, what if Arjuna was faced with Nuclear arms race on both sides of the field. God would tell him to push the button. That's real smart Krishna. Real fucking smart Arjuna. Real good dharma. In which case the only Good Arjuna would be the adharmic and ungodly Arjuna. The Bhagavad Gita was a goodd story but it doesn't work in real life situations. All it does is reaffirms some vague concept of dharma. Most people don't have the foggiest notion of what dharma even is and so as such, have no notion of what they should do in any circumstance one way or another. But the Gita gives some pretty good advice oncerning this situation and what to do about it, no? It isn't as though it fails to acknowledge what the problem is or to suggest a solution. Here, here, here, my dear fools.get with the program, it's the gunas acting upon the gunas, get it, hello? To assume authorship of karma is to misunderstand life, it's *God's* trip, yes? BillyG. P.S. ...he who knows the truth about the gunas and their actions 'remains unattached'. Ch3vs28 To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Purport of MMY's Bhahavad Gita...
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Llundrub [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I was thinking of the fucking Bhagavad Gita and how fallow the story and God's instructions are. To whit, what if Arjuna was faced with Nuclear arms race on both sides of the field. God would tell him to push the button. That's real smart Krishna. Real fucking smart Arjuna. Real good dharma. Oh yee of little faith, does it not say in the Gita, To protect the righteous and destroy the wicked,I (the Divine)take birth age after age, Gita Ch4vs8. You have an ego my friend, from which you think the whole securtiy of the world depends...such hubris, tut, tut! In which case the only Good Arjuna would be the adharmic and ungodly Arjuna. The Bhagavad Gita was a goodd story but it doesn't work in real life situations. All it does is reaffirms some vague concept of dharma. Most people don't have the foggiest notion of what dharma even is and so as such, have no notion of what they should do in any circumstance one way or another. Such is the nature of the gunas I could counter every single paragraph of the Gita with a more rational way of doing things. And that's just stupid me. Agreed! What of smarter people? It's just reified nonsense, or a good tall tale. It's as sensible as the New Testament. It's no wonder that Maharishi couldn't even be bothered to finish commenting on it. Now, now, let's not destroy the messenger because you don't like the message, the message is clear, you just don't like it,...cheese anyone? To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Figuring out MMY......
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, bbrigante [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, off_world_beings [EMAIL PROTECTED] Indian metaphores like Shiva/Nagaraja will never again be universal symbols, What is Nagaraja, and what does the word mean? Thanks OffWorld ** I believe Tat Wala Baba was sometimes called baba naga (mr. snake or daddy snake) because of his his friendly relations with snakes (naga http://www.santosha.com/asanas/naga-print.html ). So nagaraja means king of the snakes...Shiva wears a snake ( http://www.gurjari.net/ico/Mystica/html/shiva.htm ). http://www.yogiphotos.com/chap2a.html And the point being that the symbol of Shiva is a metaphor since God is formless!! (Or all forms but not any one form) Shiva is merely a representation of the inconceivable, to get stuck on the form is to miss the point. BillyG. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Hindu metaphors-was ( Figuring out MMY......).
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wmurphy77 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, bbrigante [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, off_world_beings [EMAIL PROTECTED] Indian metaphores like Shiva/Nagaraja will never again be universal symbols, What is Nagaraja, and what does the word mean? Thanks OffWorld ** I believe Tat Wala Baba was sometimes called baba naga (mr. snake or daddy snake) because of his his friendly relations with snakes (naga http://www.santosha.com/asanas/naga-print.html ). So nagaraja means king of the snakes...Shiva wears a snake ( http://www.gurjari.net/ico/Mystica/html/shiva.htm ). http://www.yogiphotos.com/chap2a.html And the point being that the symbol of Shiva is a metaphor since God is formless!! (Or all forms but not any one form) Shiva is merely a representation of the inconceivable, to get stuck on the form is to miss the point. BillyG. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: TM teachers: fact or fiction?
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Patrick Gillam [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: You know how political groups like to take test cases before the courts in order to clarify, defy or establish laws? I'd love it if some ambitious TM teacher in Fairfield who's been shunned from the domes would appeal his or her case, as Craig Pierson says is possible in Erik Gable's op-ed piece. (Pierson says there's always due process.) As I see it, the primary rationale for the banning is irrelevant now that TM teachers must be recertified to remain TM teachers. snip Is that true??? Recertified? Actually it's a good idea, also the TMorg should have had refresher courses for Initiators long ago, but that's just yet another thing the TMorg dropped the ball on! snip To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: TM teachers: fact or fiction?
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Patrick Gillam [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Patrick Gillam wrote: TM teachers must be recertified to remain TM teachers. wmurphy77 wrote: Is that true??? Recertified? Unless they've been recertified, people who were once qualified to teach the Transcendental Meditation technique of Maharishi Mahesh Yogi are not to teach TM or check the meditations of people who've learned TM. The exception is that TM teachers may check the meditations of their own initiates. Actually it's a good idea, also the TMorg should have had refresher courses for Initiators long ago, but that's just yet another thing the TMorg dropped the ball on! When Maharishi realized there'd never be enough meditators to make a difference in world consciousness in his lifetime, he quit promoting the teaching, turning instead to other aspects of his Vedic revival. - Patrick Gillam Bingo... To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Wars in History have resulted from..... MMY
Wars in History have resulted from the cumulative effect of aggression on the innocent..(Saddam Hussien against Iran, Kuwait the Kurds and others). ...individuals continue to oppress others not knowing that aggression is growing in the atmosphere eventually to break upon them as their own disaster. (The Gulf war and its finale, 'desert storm'.) MMY Gita Chapter I vs 13. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] ...unsought, such a battle-an open door to heaven. MMY
Not only is killing considered secondary to restoring *dharma* (righteousness) but you get to go to heaven for doing it!! MMY Gita CHII vs32. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: new coronation photos- Many!
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Patrick Gillam [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: http://pictures.globalgoodnews.com/coro1.html I feel really sad when I see these pictures. Is this what MMY want to be remembered for? This is not the way to give respect for the deep knowledge in the Veda. Ingegerd - Patrick Gillam The shadow government and the shadow *King*.doesn't the hat look like something you'd get free in a box of 'Cracker Jacks? BillyG. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: new coronation photos- Many!
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Peter Sutphen [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: The shadow government and the shadow *King*.doesn't the hat look like something you'd get free in a box of 'Cracker Jacks? BillyG. On the surface the whole thing looks absurd. But I'm sure if you were there the vibes would be incredible. Peter-Yes, I'm sure I wouldn't be able to stop laughing! How about a real King and a real dawn of the age of Enlightenment!!! Is MMY delusional, a shadow King?..give me a break!! MMY is living in the past...you know, *the good ole' days*. If he were here he'd be put in an institution! Gads...BillyG. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: new coronation photos- Many!
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Peter Sutphen [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I agree and disagree with you, Billy. On one hand the whole thing is so absurd, but on the other hand I'm sure the place was just saturated with Bliss. It's the pure intent of the participants that counts. I think you're trying to say it was a rather maudlin even, that in the long run won't amount to a hill of beans.,,,yes? It does loosen up the mental boundaries though, doesn't it? I got a kick out of that comment, loosen up the mental boundaries, nyuk, nyuk! Why hold onto any mental construct? Especially ones that have no practical impact what-so-ever. The whole thing is like a puja...actually it is a puja to the Divine. I don't know if you're a TM teacher or not, but on the surface a puja is rather silly. You're symbolically offering bound/limited aspects of yourself to the Divine as Guru Dev. On the surface it means nothing but for anyone who has ever done a puja, it is a powerful experience. I have no problem with that, (as a governor) the whole idea of a 'shadow' government is absurd, we're just not ready for it, sorry, maybe in the future, but now MMY is nothing but a laughing stock. A conection to the divine opens up that is clearly experienced. So this whole thing with the coronation is silly on the surface, but on a deeper level it is a powerful offering to the Divine and the Devine responds in turn based on the purity of intent. The whole thing is pretty cool! Maybe, but personally, not being privy to the Divine response on such matters, I'll stick with logic and common sense. BillyG To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Figuring out MMY......
What is the saying... the shortest distance between two points is a straight line. So there you go, MMY may or may not be enlightened, he's living in the past when India was at its Zenith, he wants to go *back* to that, (just like Osama Bin Laden) but there is no going back, only forward. Indian metaphores like Shiva/Nagaraja will never again be universal symbols, new metaphores will emerge, life and form evolve, and so do man's Religions, and yes TM is a Religion, a philosophy and a way of life, it's all of those things, even MMY has said so...the eternal Religion represented by the Vedas...MMY The Vedas. BillyG. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Figuring out MMY......
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Peter Sutphen [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- wmurphy77 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: What is the saying... the shortest distance between two points is a straight line. So there you go, MMY may or may not be enlightened, MMY is quite enlightened, to say the least. Dr. Peter...How do you know MMY is enlightened? To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Universal future Religion will NOT be Hinduism...
That's right and all of the Hindu metaphores, Shiva, Ganapati, Brahma, will disappear and be replaced with NEW Universal metaphores! Doesn't mean the creative intelligences (Devatas) don't exist, just that their symbols will be different. BillyG. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Welcoming Sat Yuga Incredible times coming
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: This just in from someone on Mother Divine Maharishi is just starting the reconstruction of the world. see http://www.globalreconstruction.org Just now.what's he been doing for the last 50 years? We will build following vastu buildings: 10 000 peace palaces 5000 peace colonies with each 200 houses 108 national yogic flyer-gruups with 100 000 sidhas 10 8000-groups 5000 schools for each 200 children 1000 hospitals with each 200 beds 12 time zone groups with each 2000 sidhas 500 yagja groups in india 5000 hotels and resorts and lots of land for vedic agriculture All Governors are invited to realize and enjoy these project. You mean create these projects!! Well Maharishi is getting more and more inspired to inaugurate Sat Yuga in a very big way...He has asked every TM center in the world to organize a big group of Yogic Flyers to fly together at the dawning of the full moon on Guru Purnima evening. As they come down from their cosmic hops, they are asked to all together yell welcome to Sat-Yuga. Jai Guru Dev Whoa...What corney garbage! Asked *every* TM Center eh? What's a TM center, I mean really, I want to know, haven't seen one lately. You mean all 3 of them! Nyuk, nyuk! And next week I'm going to win the lottery and fly to the moon and eat green cheese! This is what I will do, would you like to join me? To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: The event of war is a natural phenomenon...MMY
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wmurphy77 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, jim_flanegin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: snip Yes? Yeah, but MMY has also said that the war described in the Gita is the resolution between negative and positive forces *within one's own consciousness*. He responded to just such a question during one of his press conferences. MMY speaks in contradictions today...(He speaks with forked tongue), I believe he had it right in the Gita! According to MMY, any/all Vedic writings can be interpreted from 4 states of consciousness: waking. TC. CC. GC (unity requires/allows no interpretation I guess). War in the material world would be from a waking state perspective. War as a metaphor for the mind might be from a TC (meditation?) perspective. Well, there you go..(don't tell Judy). To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] The event of war is a natural phenomenon...MMY
Gita CHII vs31. It is a process of restoring the balance between the negative and positive forces of nature. TO rise to the call of a war to establish righteousness is to respond to the cosmic purpose, the will of God... The question is NOT whether a war is moral or immoral, (Only God can determine that) it is whether it is in accord with duty or dharma! That is the *whole* gist of the Bhagavad Gita on this issue!!! BillyG. P.S. Would it be a greater sin to leave undone? That is the question!! Yes? To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: The event of war is a natural phenomenon...MMY
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, jim_flanegin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: snip Yes? Yeah, but MMY has also said that the war described in the Gita is the resolution between negative and positive forces *within one's own consciousness*. He responded to just such a question during one of his press conferences. MMY speaks in contradictions today...(He speaks with forked tongue), I believe he had it right in the Gita! So the war which we see where people actually go out and slaughter each other is just pure waking state, and totally unnecessary sin and coarseness. In the conventional sense, there is no such thing as a moral war. I cannot even concieve of such a thing. And you are correct, moral and war are opposites! We agree! But to now act is also karma, the real question is whether is would be a greater sin to act or not act. As MMY says it is not a matter of loss or gain (of life) in the Gita...the real question is Dharma!! ...its performance becomes a necessity Gita CHII vs38. Wars are evil and stupid, and have always been so. There is no 'noble sacrifice' or triumph in war. It is all a waste of precious life. Bad karma. Stupidity. Again you have negelected the lesson in the Gita, action should not be gauged by loss or gain (of life) of Dharma (duty) it is a higher calling. ChII vs27 over the inevitable you should not grieve MMY To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: The event of war is a natural phenomenon...MMY
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, jim_flanegin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I stand by what I said. Are you seeking a spiritual justification for killing others, a Dharma? Fine. Go do it, and please let me know what it felt like afterwards. Ahh...justice! YEs indeed, now that is something for God to decide,is it not? Surely we do not know in the final analysis whether our supposed *duty* or Dharma was right, this is correct, only God can say that. As to whether or not one would take pleasure in anothers suffering, that certainly is a question of character, I hope I would not. BillyG. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: The event of war is a natural phenomenon...MMY
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wmurphy77 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: snip And you are correct, moral and war are opposites! We agree! But to not act is also karma, the real question is whether is would be a greater sin to act or not act. You can't *not act*, as Krishna points out in the Gita. That isn't an option. Sitting back and doing nothing is also acting. Correct... So the question is which action you take: do you promote war, do you sit back and do nothing, or do you actively oppose it? Correct... As MMY says it is not a matter of loss or gain (of life) in the Gita...the real question is Dharma!! Right. So how do you know which action is dharmic? You don't, its a judgement decision you make and only God (certainly not you or me) decides in the end, the ramifications of that karma. It's probably not such a hot idea to base your actions on second-guessing what the dharma is. Do what you think is right instead. Correct...and that is your *karma*, good, bad or indifferent. I think Iraq would have been a greater sin to leave undone. That is my judgement and by which I will be judged. You just agreed that war is immoral, so that means you don't think war is right, and therefore you should work for peace. As MMY puts it so clearly in CHII vs38, (talking about the very issue of life and death)...or an action which it would be sinful to leave *undone*, then its performance becomes a necessity. As you can see the performance in the light of duty transcends moral and immoral...there is a greater principle in effect (Dharma). This is the very issue Arjuna confronts in the Gita (not just metaphorical but historical as well, and instructional in its commentary). Basically the Lord (Krishna) urges him to *fight* because Dharma transcends the evervescent nature of life and death, vs 27. Sure it is immoral to kill, but if not killing would lead to more killing (or loss of freedom, religious and otherwise) it would be better to nip it in the bud, don't you think? To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: The event of war is a natural phenomenon...MMY
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, jim_flanegin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wmurphy77 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: snip I think Iraq would have been a greater sin to leave undone. That is my judgement and by which I will be judged. snip Sure it is immoral to kill, but if not killing would lead to more killing (or loss of freedom, religious and otherwise) it would be better to nip it in the bud, don't you think? Yes, Saddam was a sadistic murderous ruler of Iraq. He should've been removed. Is causing the deaths of tens of thousands of Iraqis the solution? According the the Bhagavad Gita commentary by MMY, YES! snip To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: The event of war is a natural phenomenon...MMY
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wmurphy77 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: snip Sure it is immoral to kill, but if not killing would lead to more killing (or loss of freedom, religious and otherwise) it would be better to nip it in the bud, don't you think? If you have 100 percent accurate knowledge of the future, yes (at least for killing; not for loss of freedom). Nobody has that knowledge, even though many think they do! Somethings are worth dying and killing for, freedom being one, even in the Gita MMY comments that the loss of Dharma would be a greater evil than death itself. Clearly he states this. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: The event of war is a natural phenomenon...MMY
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, uns_tressor [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, jim_flanegin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wmurphy77 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Gita CHII vs31. It is a process of restoring the balance between the negative and positive forces of nature. To rise to the call of a war to establish righteousness is to respond to the cosmic purpose, the will of God... At that time, the world was descending from an age of enlightenment into an age of ignorance. We are going in the opposite direction. Is this not the point? Uns. And so why didn't MMY say that...he didn't say that. What he said is as relevant today as then. His approach today is preventative, granted. But once the danger is imminent like with Arjuna on the battlefield these principle are paramount. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Mother of dead GI wants to Destroy Bush
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, off_world_beings [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wmurphy77 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: In a message dated 7/2/05 2:28:04 P.M. Central Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: It also says IRC and UN figures show just under 100,000 Iraqi civilian casualties. Just remember the word casualty can mean any medical attention given from a band aid to a death certificate. I think John Kerry had a few of those band aids and got purple hearts for them. So did Bob Dole. You phonies are so concerned about the 'so-called' 100,000. how about the several hundred thousands and maybe a million Saddam Hussien himself exterminatedno crying in the beer for them? Gads, give me a break!!! BillyG. Phonies huh? 1. Were there WMD's in Iraq? 2. Were there an Al Quaida Iraq? 3. Did the Reagan/Bush administration support and turn a blind eye to Saddam gassing the Iranian army. (The one on the Kurds was just one that went astray.) There were daily gassings by Saddam against Iranwith FULL support of Reagan/Bush administration. Dear off again-We found them in Libya, if that ain't good enough for you, tough! You've lost the agrument on Iraq, could we move on, please! Let's live in the here and now, like what should we do in Iraq NOW!..eh? To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Mother of dead GI wants to Destroy Bush
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: on 7/2/05 9:46 PM, wmurphy77 at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Phonies huh? 1. Were there WMD's in Iraq? 2. Were there an Al Quaida Iraq? 3. Did the Reagan/Bush administration support and turn a blind eye to Saddam gassing the Iranian army. (The one on the Kurds was just one that went astray.) There were daily gassings by Saddam against Iranwith FULL support of Reagan/Bush administration. Dear off again-We found them in Libya, if that ain't good enough for you, tough! You've lost the agrument on Iraq, could we move on, please! Let's live in the here and now, like what should we do in Iraq NOW!..eh? I missed something. Saddam's WMDs were found in Libya? No they weren't Saddam's, they were Kadafi's...a good result from the Iraq war though wouldn't you say? To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
