Re: sigh. don't forget to keep checking for recall news.

[Belinda]

   No actually I usually do one or the other, will have to give that a try.

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RE: OT: Roombie-the new Roomba - for those of youconsideringpurchasing one

[Gina WN]

I got mine at Drs Foster and Smith too.  It works really well!

Melissa Lind <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:Marylyn, I have this 
rubber spongy thing that my friend gave me. They’re cheap, and I love it! It’s 
grayish black and kind of shaped like a rectangle, but with a curved inner part 
for you to grip. I think she got it from Drs. Foster and Smith, but I’m not 
really sure. But, this thing takes the fur and rolls it up when you drag is 
across the upholstery. This is the only way I can vacuum my furniture—I have to 
do this first which gets up the majority of the hair, but the stuff that’s left 
is actually vacuum-able. I also bought some vacuum spray stuff that’s supposed 
to allow the hair to not stick to furniture, but it was a mess and didn’t 
really work, and it would get in places I didn’t want. By far, I stand my 
rubber thing!
   
  I’ll look later for a link to one, I couldn’t find one on the Drs. Website, 
but I know it’s out there somewhere. But, I did read while looking that many 
people use a rubber glove. I’ve never tried it. If you do, let us know!
   
  Melissa
   
  
-
  
  From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Marylyn
Sent: Sunday, April 15, 2007 6:47 PM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: Re: OT: Roombie-the new Roomba - for those of youconsideringpurchasing 
one

   
I saw something about rubber gloves (like for washing dishes) getting up 
fur on upholstery.  Has anyone had any experience with this?

 

 

 

 If you have men who will 
exclude any of God's creatures
 from the shelter of compassion 
and pity, you will have men who 
 will deal likewise with their 
fellow man.
  St. Francis

  - Original Message - 

From: elizabeth trent 

To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org 

Sent: Sunday, April 15, 2007 6:34 PM

Subject: Re: OT: Roombie-the new Roomba - for those of you 
consideringpurchasing one

 

I'm curious -- how much does it hold?  I love my purple dyson for animal 
hair but so help me - we're such a shedding bunch I have to empty it 
frequently.  how does it perform?

 

elizabeth

 

On 4/15/07, wendy <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: 
  Hey guys,

Just wanted to let you guys know that Roombie (our new
Roomba Sage for pet owners) went on it's maiden voyage 
this morning.  The kitties were somewhat alarmed at
first, but by the time it cleaned for 45 minutes and
docked itself, they weren't too concerned with it.
Smookie ran over to it when it stopped and has been 
trying to get the brushes out from underneath it.
It's too cute.

So far, Roombie did a bang-up job of vacuuming my tile
floors-the living room, kitchen, and eating area along
with the front entry way and hallway leading from 
that.  That's as far as it could go since all the
doors were shut along the hallway.  I was very
surprised with how well it patterned itself while
cleaning.  It got in and out of tight spaces.  It even
tried to eat Smookie's feather toy, but I rescued it.


We paid $219 for it at the irobot website, which is
the company that makes Roomba.  A better deal than at
Linens and Things or Bed, Bath, and Beyond.  They 
have a pretty decent special, which includes free
shipping, and a free home dock (normally $60); fairly
cheap for a Roomba.  Normally, I am a very frugal
person, but I have bought three vacuum-cleaners in the 
past few years at about $50 each at Walmart, and all
have died.  Plus, I don't actually have to do the
vacuuming myself, so that itself was worth the extra
money.  With the tile, as opposed to the carpet we had 
that hid a lot of dirt, every speck of dirt shows up,
and I'm having to sweep every day as it is.  So all in
all, I'm happy as of day one.  We'll see after a month
or so if Roombie was worth it.

:)
Wendy

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[Gina WN]

I work for a retailer which sells mass quantities of items made in China.  
Since I chose to shop in my own store, it's going to be doubly hard for me not 
to buy goods from China.  I will do my utmost best!  I can't wait for my local 
farmers market to open in May!
   
  :) Gina

wendy <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
  Thus the effects of a global economy...things were so
much simpler when we weren't buying over 75% of our
goods from overseas. I think it's dangerous to our
very existence to set up our national economy in this
manner. Here's to buying U.S. made only!!! And I
will not be buying anything Chinese if I can help it. 
So much controversy with that country.

:)
Wendy

--- Nina wrote:

> The death and sickness of what we are dealing with
> is a the real 
> nightmare. We've already been surprised about how
> few 
> factories/companies/suppliers are truly involved in
> the making of our 
> processed pet foods. It can be done. I don't know
> how long it would 
> take to track this sort of data base, who knows,
> maybe someone is in the 
> process as I type this. It's already too late for
> thousands of dogs and 
> cats, I'm very sorry to say that it appears
> thousands more will 
> experience the same fate before we get to the bottom
> of it, if we ever do.
> Nina
> 
> wendy wrote:
> > It's not just as simple as comparing ingredients
> when
> > you're talking about this many companies. They
> have
> > to compare all of the following: each ingredient,
> from
> > which company each came from, and then for each
> > individual ingredient, they need a list of
> ingredients
> > that made that ingredient, and which companies
> > provided each of those, and so on...until they get
> > down to the raw ingredients for everything that
> made
> > that product what it is. Then they also have to
> look
> > at batches/dates for all of those, and all the
> > manufacturing facilities involved. It's a
> logistical
> > nightmare... 
> >
> > :)
> > Wendy
> 
> 
> 


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Re: sigh. don't forget to keep checking for recall news.

[Marylyn]

Have you tried mixing some ground turkey or turkey thigh meat with the 
chicken?  Dixie seems to like the thighs better than the breast.







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- Original Message - 
From: "Belinda" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>

To: 
Sent: Wednesday, April 18, 2007 12:45 AM
Subject: Re: sigh. don't forget to keep checking for recall news.


  Wish my guys liked turkey but they really don't, they like chicken so 
that's what I get.


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Re: Camilla and Spencer

[Gina WN]

Poor babies!  I will keep them in my prayers.
   
  Gina
  

Sherry DeHaan <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
We are in great need of prayers and good thoughts for these two wonderful 
babies.
  Camilla has gone down hill fast and is anemic,she is also one of Dr. Jens all 
time fav kitties.
  Spencer has the same thing that Diesel just lost his battle to.But his isn't 
as bad it is only swollen on one side of his throat.She is trying all that she 
can for these babies.THanks so much.
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[Belinda]

  Wish my guys liked turkey but they really don't, they like chicken so 
that's what I get.


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Re: sigh. don't forget to keep checking for recall news.

[Belinda]

  Good idea.

Consider adding a bit of mashed potatoes to the liquid mix to provide 
a gravy.


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[Belinda]

I will post some of the recipes when I get the book.

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update on Cassidy

[Melissa Lind]

Well Cassidy has to go to Best Friends soon after May 1st. They can't wait
until July 1st for me to get a second IFA, but they said they'd keep him
apart from the other FeLV cats if there was any doubt as to his status. But,
I wonder what they consider doubt. I'd hate to expose him and he turns up
negative in the future.

 

And then there's the problem of funding the trip. I don't know how to come
up with just the gas money before May 1st! Do you guys know of any place to
turn to for help in a hurry? I figure it will cost me at least $240 for gas
round trip. Plus, according to Map Quest, the drive is a little over 18
hours! That'll mean lodging along the way and at the destination. Then
lodging on the way home unless I can get someone to take turns
driving/sleeping. I know! Maybe I'll just hitch a ride with a trucker!
They're used to long days like that! (Just kidding of course). 

 

Then there's the fact that I still don't have his first IFA test results
(just the Elisa). I'm so frustrated by my vet's office! I like my vet quite
a bit, but some of the helpers are a bunch of, pardon me, morons! I'm sure I
couldn't do they're jobs, but I know I could keep things straight. They told
me today that the lab work for Cassidy's IFA got lost in the mail, at the
lab, somewhere. My guess is they forgot to send it, and now they need
another sample. Who knows, but now we're really pushing the deadline for his
trip to Utah. They want him to come in on Monday since they won't send to
the lab until next week anyway. I think that if they won't put a rush on it
(like tomorrow), then I'll just have to find a vet who will. 

 

Furthermore, I called this morning about my two rescues in the garage. One
has the squirts, but I can't figure out which one. I can never catch them in
the act! I wanted to know what I should do, and I also called to get
Bandit's Prozac refilled. Okay, the receptionist takes down the info, and
says they'll call back. 

 

So, I finally get a call back late in the afternoon (I had called early in
the morning). The message they left was something about Bandit needing blood
drawn again (but Cassidy's the one who actually needs it), and the rest of
the message said that the food I wanted would be there in the morning.
What?!?! I didn't ask for food; Cassidy needs the blood work; what about the
diarrhea?; what about the Prozac? G! Sorry I'm ranting, but seriously!
So, I called back and politely explained the real situation. Sometimes one
of the workers there (or several) just seem like complete space-cadets! I
know we all have off days, but they seem to more than most. If I didn't like
my vet so much.well, I suppose there are other likeable vets around.I just
hate to travel too far since the car ride is usually traumatizing enough.

 

Thanks for listening to me complain. I needed to vent. I know many of you
are going through much worse situations and are dealing with a lot of
sadness, so I'm sorry if my complaints seem trivial!

 

I'm still not sure what I'll do with Cassidy. I'm just hoping his IFA comes
back negative, but I know that's not going to happen. But, he's so healthy
now, I just hope he has a wonderfully, long life. 

 

Melissa

Re: A couple of pictures I took of Tomi today

[catatonya]

He is beautiful!
  tonya

Re: Could VO help an asymptomatic FeLV+ cat?

[Taylor Scobie Humphrey]

Thank you so much, Lance!
Taylor Scobie Humphrey
[EMAIL PROTECTED]


On Apr 17, 2007, at 6:51 PM, Lance wrote:

They're the same thing. FIO is feline interferon omega (the generic  
name) and VO is Virbagen Omega, Virbac's trade name for FIO. VO (or  
FIO) is feline-specific interferon. Many of us here give low-dose  
human interferon to our FeLV cats. While it would seem that this  
helps the immune system, it would be nice if we could give it in  
high doses. Unfortunately, high dose human interferon isn't good  
for a number of reasons, one of which being that the cat develops a  
tolerance to human interferon, and it can no longer be used to any  
effect.


On the other hand, since VO is feline specific, it can be used in  
high doses. Unfortunately, it's very expensive and hard to get here  
in the US, where one has to go through the FDA to acquire it. For  
those who live across the pond, the availability isn't a problem.


Lance

On Apr 17, 2007, at 4:49 PM, Taylor Scobie Humphrey wrote:


I'm such a newbie here:  What's VO and what's FIO?
Taylor Scobie Humphrey
[EMAIL PROTECTED]


On Apr 17, 2007, at 11:36 AM, wendy wrote:


Hey Lance,

I tend to be in agreement with Nina.  Listen to your
heart and gut.

If it were me, I would be hesitant to do anything
differently if my kitty were asymptomatic.  Can your
vet put off ordering the VO or order it for other
client's symptomatic kitties to see how it works?
Does his FDA approval have an expiration?  I have seen
good things about VO from European users.  You might
query the archives and see what pulls up on it because
I know it's been discussed here before.

:)
Wendy

--- Nina <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:


It's wonderful to hear Ember is doing well.  That
was such a scary
episode with her anemia symptoms.  I have long
suspected that FIO might
be useful in treating kitties when they first
contract the disease to
fight it off.  Unfortunately, we don't have the
research to prove or
disprove that.

You asked for thoughts and opinions...  If my memory
serves me
correctly, FIO lasts a year before reconstitution in
the fridge.  I
think if it were me, I'd order it as a safeguard
measure to keep close
in case it's needed.  I'm betting if you started to
near the expiration
date, there would be someone on the list willing to
buy it from you.  I
don't know about using it on asymptomatic kitties.
Who knows, it might
help in some way.  I would probably use Interferon A
while she's
asymptomatic to help her stay that way.  I think
it's Gloria that has
used the IA that way and had kitties crash when she
took them off it,
(I've used IA off and on when symptoms presented,
but not consistently
while they were feeling good).  I don't know Lance,
it's such a crap
shoot, I so wish we had more answers.  My best
advice is to follow your
intuition and do what your heart tells you.  Along
with fighting felv,
the next big battle is fighting the potential "what
ifs".
Hugs to you and Ember,
Nina

Lance wrote:

Hello all,

I'm sorry that I haven't been posting any lately.

I've seen some sad

news, and my heart goes out to all who have lost

feline friends in the

last few weeks.

I have a question that will be hard to answer.

Really, I'm looking for

thoughts and opinions, since I don't think we know

enough about

Virbagen Omega and feleuk. My vet was recently

approved by the FDA to

import the standard course of VO for Ember. I have

put money aside for

quite awhile, hoping that we would get this

chance.


The thing is, Ember is, for the most part,

asymptomatic. She did have

an odd spell of anemia (down to 19 last October

and subsequently back

to 35 for the last few vet visits, starting in

November). She also had

especially low wbc at the same time, which is now

back to low-normal.

She seems to have developed a food allergy to

Innova EVO dry, though

she tolerates EVO canned (and now Felidae) just

fine.


Ember will have another ELISA to verify her

status. If she is still

positive, do you think we should go ahead with the

VO, even though she

seems to be doing pretty well?


Thanks,

Lance










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Re: Could VO help an asymptomatic FeLV+ cat?

[Lance]

They're the same thing. FIO is feline interferon omega (the generic  
name) and VO is Virbagen Omega, Virbac's trade name for FIO. VO (or  
FIO) is feline-specific interferon. Many of us here give low-dose  
human interferon to our FeLV cats. While it would seem that this  
helps the immune system, it would be nice if we could give it in high  
doses. Unfortunately, high dose human interferon isn't good for a  
number of reasons, one of which being that the cat develops a  
tolerance to human interferon, and it can no longer be used to any  
effect.


On the other hand, since VO is feline specific, it can be used in  
high doses. Unfortunately, it's very expensive and hard to get here  
in the US, where one has to go through the FDA to acquire it. For  
those who live across the pond, the availability isn't a problem.


Lance

On Apr 17, 2007, at 4:49 PM, Taylor Scobie Humphrey wrote:


I'm such a newbie here:  What's VO and what's FIO?
Taylor Scobie Humphrey
[EMAIL PROTECTED]


On Apr 17, 2007, at 11:36 AM, wendy wrote:


Hey Lance,

I tend to be in agreement with Nina.  Listen to your
heart and gut.

If it were me, I would be hesitant to do anything
differently if my kitty were asymptomatic.  Can your
vet put off ordering the VO or order it for other
client's symptomatic kitties to see how it works?
Does his FDA approval have an expiration?  I have seen
good things about VO from European users.  You might
query the archives and see what pulls up on it because
I know it's been discussed here before.

:)
Wendy

--- Nina <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:


It's wonderful to hear Ember is doing well.  That
was such a scary
episode with her anemia symptoms.  I have long
suspected that FIO might
be useful in treating kitties when they first
contract the disease to
fight it off.  Unfortunately, we don't have the
research to prove or
disprove that.

You asked for thoughts and opinions...  If my memory
serves me
correctly, FIO lasts a year before reconstitution in
the fridge.  I
think if it were me, I'd order it as a safeguard
measure to keep close
in case it's needed.  I'm betting if you started to
near the expiration
date, there would be someone on the list willing to
buy it from you.  I
don't know about using it on asymptomatic kitties.
Who knows, it might
help in some way.  I would probably use Interferon A
while she's
asymptomatic to help her stay that way.  I think
it's Gloria that has
used the IA that way and had kitties crash when she
took them off it,
(I've used IA off and on when symptoms presented,
but not consistently
while they were feeling good).  I don't know Lance,
it's such a crap
shoot, I so wish we had more answers.  My best
advice is to follow your
intuition and do what your heart tells you.  Along
with fighting felv,
the next big battle is fighting the potential "what
ifs".
Hugs to you and Ember,
Nina

Lance wrote:

Hello all,

I'm sorry that I haven't been posting any lately.

I've seen some sad

news, and my heart goes out to all who have lost

feline friends in the

last few weeks.

I have a question that will be hard to answer.

Really, I'm looking for

thoughts and opinions, since I don't think we know

enough about

Virbagen Omega and feleuk. My vet was recently

approved by the FDA to

import the standard course of VO for Ember. I have

put money aside for

quite awhile, hoping that we would get this

chance.


The thing is, Ember is, for the most part,

asymptomatic. She did have

an odd spell of anemia (down to 19 last October

and subsequently back

to 35 for the last few vet visits, starting in

November). She also had

especially low wbc at the same time, which is now

back to low-normal.

She seems to have developed a food allergy to

Innova EVO dry, though

she tolerates EVO canned (and now Felidae) just

fine.


Ember will have another ELISA to verify her

status. If she is still

positive, do you think we should go ahead with the

VO, even though she

seems to be doing pretty well?


Thanks,

Lance










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Re: Stamp went to the bridge

[C & J]

I am so sorry for your loss.  I am sure Stamp is very grateful for all the love 
he has received.

Cassandra

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  Sent: Tuesday, April 17, 2007 8:11 AM
  Subject: Stamp went to the bridge


  I had Stamp PTS this morning. He was getting very uncomfortable from the FIP, 
was jaundiced, losing weight, and anemic.

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Re: sigh. don't forget to keep checking for recall news.

[Susan Hoffman]

Mine average one such meal a day and two meals of commercial catfood.  Wish 
turkey was as cheap yearround as it is around Thanksgiving.  I could afford to 
increase the shredded deboned turkey and decrease the catfood.
   
  It seems like every day something new lands on the recall/contaminated list.  
Now that Natural Balance, which does not even contain wheat gluten, has been 
recalled, it feels like nothing is safe.

Taylor Scobie Humphrey <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
  Oh, absolutely!  
Taylor Scobie Humphrey
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On Apr 17, 2007, at 5:05 PM, Susan Hoffman wrote:

  What about a single source protein, like turkey or chicken, and a separate 
vitamin/mineral supplement. Most of mine will kill you to get at roast bird of 
any sort.

Taylor Scobie Humphrey <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:   Good luck! Kitties can be 
sooo fussy--which is why we LOVE them! I 
still have not found the correct mix of vities, mins and other 
goodies cats must have so when you find out. . . . .
Taylor Scobie Humphrey
[EMAIL PROTECTED]


On Apr 17, 2007, at 9:00 AM, Belinda wrote:

> I just ordered both of those books on Amazon.com it was exactly 
> cheap but they are getting hard to find, as it is I won't get the 
> pitcairn book until the first or second week of May and the other 
> the end of April. I've been cooking for Fred and will gradually 
> switch the others, right now I just want to get Fred eating enough, 
> he's my CRF guy.
>
> My vet is still fighting me on the feeding tube, I'm going to weigh 
> him each day until the 25 and then we'll see if he's gaining, 
> maintaining or losing. So far he gained an oz from the 15th to the 
> 16th. He doesn't look like it he is so bony.
> Wish me luck, my guys are having a hard time giving up their Fancy 
> Feast, I'm so worried and want to get them off any processed food 
> as soon as possible.
>
> I've got the texture stuff pretty well figured out, because their 
> food has to have the same texture as their Fancy feast, my guys are 
> very texture oriented. But the right vitamins and minerals they 
> need is where I'm having problems, that's why I ordered the books, 
> plus to get a little variety in their diet.
>
> -- 
>
> Belinda
> happiness is being owned by cats ...
>
> Be-Mi-Kitties
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>
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>
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>
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> http://HostDesign4U.com
>
> 
>
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>
>

Re: sigh. don't forget to keep checking for recall news.

[Taylor Scobie Humphrey]

Oh, absolutely!
Taylor Scobie Humphrey
[EMAIL PROTECTED]


On Apr 17, 2007, at 5:05 PM, Susan Hoffman wrote:

What about a single source protein, like turkey or chicken, and a  
separate vitamin/mineral supplement. Most of mine will kill you to  
get at roast bird of any sort.


Taylor Scobie Humphrey <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
Good luck! Kitties can be sooo fussy--which is why we LOVE them! I
still have not found the correct mix of vities, mins and other
goodies cats must have so when you find out. . . . .
Taylor Scobie Humphrey
[EMAIL PROTECTED]


On Apr 17, 2007, at 9:00 AM, Belinda wrote:

> I just ordered both of those books on Amazon.com it was exactly
> cheap but they are getting hard to find, as it is I won't get the
> pitcairn book until the first or second week of May and the other
> the end of April. I've been cooking for Fred and will gradually
> switch the others, right now I just want to get Fred eating enough,
> he's my CRF guy.
>
> My vet is still fighting me on the feeding tube, I'm going to weigh
> him each day until the 25 and then we'll see if he's gaining,
> maintaining or losing. So far he gained an oz from the 15th to the
> 16th. He doesn't look like it he is so bony.
> Wish me luck, my guys are having a hard time giving up their Fancy
> Feast, I'm so worried and want to get them off any processed food
> as soon as possible.
>
> I've got the texture stuff pretty well figured out, because their
> food has to have the same texture as their Fancy feast, my guys are
> very texture oriented. But the right vitamins and minerals they
> need is where I'm having problems, that's why I ordered the books,
> plus to get a little variety in their diet.
>
> --
>
> Belinda
> happiness is being owned by cats ...
>
> Be-Mi-Kitties
> http://bemikitties.com
>
> Post Adoptable FeLV/FIV/FIP Cats/Kittens
> http://adopt.bemikitties.com
>
> FeLV Candlelight Service
> http://bemikitties.com/cls
>
> HostDesign4U.com [affordable hosting & web design]
> http://HostDesign4U.com
>
> 
>
> BMK Designs [non-profit animals websites]
> http://bmk.bemikitties.com
>
>

Re: sigh. don't forget to keep checking for recall news.

[Susan Hoffman]

What about a single source protein, like turkey or chicken, and a separate 
vitamin/mineral supplement. Most of mine will kill you to get at roast bird of 
any sort.

Taylor Scobie Humphrey <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:  Good luck! Kitties can be 
sooo fussy--which is why we LOVE them! I 
still have not found the correct mix of vities, mins and other 
goodies cats must have so when you find out. . . . .
Taylor Scobie Humphrey
[EMAIL PROTECTED]


On Apr 17, 2007, at 9:00 AM, Belinda wrote:

> I just ordered both of those books on Amazon.com it was exactly 
> cheap but they are getting hard to find, as it is I won't get the 
> pitcairn book until the first or second week of May and the other 
> the end of April. I've been cooking for Fred and will gradually 
> switch the others, right now I just want to get Fred eating enough, 
> he's my CRF guy.
>
> My vet is still fighting me on the feeding tube, I'm going to weigh 
> him each day until the 25 and then we'll see if he's gaining, 
> maintaining or losing. So far he gained an oz from the 15th to the 
> 16th. He doesn't look like it he is so bony.
> Wish me luck, my guys are having a hard time giving up their Fancy 
> Feast, I'm so worried and want to get them off any processed food 
> as soon as possible.
>
> I've got the texture stuff pretty well figured out, because their 
> food has to have the same texture as their Fancy feast, my guys are 
> very texture oriented. But the right vitamins and minerals they 
> need is where I'm having problems, that's why I ordered the books, 
> plus to get a little variety in their diet.
>
> -- 
>
> Belinda
> happiness is being owned by cats ...
>
> Be-Mi-Kitties
> http://bemikitties.com
>
> Post Adoptable FeLV/FIV/FIP Cats/Kittens
> http://adopt.bemikitties.com
>
> FeLV Candlelight Service
> http://bemikitties.com/cls
>
> HostDesign4U.com [affordable hosting & web design]
> http://HostDesign4U.com
>
> 
>
> BMK Designs [non-profit animals websites]
> http://bmk.bemikitties.com
>
>

Re: sigh. don't forget to keep checking for recall news.

[Marylyn]

Consider adding a bit of mashed potatoes to the liquid mix to provide a 
gravy.







If you have men who will 
exclude any of God's creatures
from the shelter of 
compassion and pity, you will have men who
will deal likewise with 
their fellow man.
 St. 
Francis
- Original Message - 
From: "Taylor Scobie Humphrey" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>

To: 
Sent: Tuesday, April 17, 2007 4:44 PM
Subject: Re: sigh. don't forget to keep checking for recall news.


Good luck!  Kitties can be sooo fussy--which is why we LOVE them!  I 
still have not found the correct mix of vities, mins and other  goodies 
cats must have so when you find out. . . . .

Taylor Scobie Humphrey
[EMAIL PROTECTED]


On Apr 17, 2007, at 9:00 AM, Belinda wrote:

  I just ordered both of those books on Amazon.com it was exactly  cheap 
but they are getting hard to find, as it is I won't get the  pitcairn 
book until the first or second week of May and the other  the end of 
April.  I've been cooking for Fred and will gradually  switch the others, 
right now I just want to get Fred eating enough,  he's my CRF guy.


My vet is still fighting me on the feeding tube, I'm going to weigh  him 
each day until the 25 and then we'll see if he's gaining,  maintaining or 
losing.  So far he gained an oz from the 15th to the  16th.  He doesn't 
look like it he is so bony.
Wish me luck, my guys are having a hard time giving up their Fancy 
Feast, I'm so worried and want to get them off any processed food  as 
soon as possible.


I've got the texture stuff pretty well figured out, because their  food 
has to have the same texture as their Fancy feast, my guys are  very 
texture oriented.  But the right vitamins and minerals they  need is 
where I'm having problems, that's why I ordered the books,  plus to get a 
little variety in their diet.


--

Belinda
happiness is being owned by cats ...

Be-Mi-Kitties
http://bemikitties.com

Post Adoptable FeLV/FIV/FIP Cats/Kittens
http://adopt.bemikitties.com

FeLV Candlelight Service
http://bemikitties.com/cls

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http://HostDesign4U.com



BMK Designs [non-profit animals websites]
http://bmk.bemikitties.com

Re: Could VO help an asymptomatic FeLV+ cat?

[Taylor Scobie Humphrey]

I'm such a newbie here:  What's VO and what's FIO?
Taylor Scobie Humphrey
[EMAIL PROTECTED]


On Apr 17, 2007, at 11:36 AM, wendy wrote:


Hey Lance,

I tend to be in agreement with Nina.  Listen to your
heart and gut.

If it were me, I would be hesitant to do anything
differently if my kitty were asymptomatic.  Can your
vet put off ordering the VO or order it for other
client's symptomatic kitties to see how it works?
Does his FDA approval have an expiration?  I have seen
good things about VO from European users.  You might
query the archives and see what pulls up on it because
I know it's been discussed here before.

:)
Wendy

--- Nina <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:


It's wonderful to hear Ember is doing well.  That
was such a scary
episode with her anemia symptoms.  I have long
suspected that FIO might
be useful in treating kitties when they first
contract the disease to
fight it off.  Unfortunately, we don't have the
research to prove or
disprove that.

You asked for thoughts and opinions...  If my memory
serves me
correctly, FIO lasts a year before reconstitution in
the fridge.  I
think if it were me, I'd order it as a safeguard
measure to keep close
in case it's needed.  I'm betting if you started to
near the expiration
date, there would be someone on the list willing to
buy it from you.  I
don't know about using it on asymptomatic kitties.
Who knows, it might
help in some way.  I would probably use Interferon A
while she's
asymptomatic to help her stay that way.  I think
it's Gloria that has
used the IA that way and had kitties crash when she
took them off it,
(I've used IA off and on when symptoms presented,
but not consistently
while they were feeling good).  I don't know Lance,
it's such a crap
shoot, I so wish we had more answers.  My best
advice is to follow your
intuition and do what your heart tells you.  Along
with fighting felv,
the next big battle is fighting the potential "what
ifs".
Hugs to you and Ember,
Nina

Lance wrote:

Hello all,

I'm sorry that I haven't been posting any lately.

I've seen some sad

news, and my heart goes out to all who have lost

feline friends in the

last few weeks.

I have a question that will be hard to answer.

Really, I'm looking for

thoughts and opinions, since I don't think we know

enough about

Virbagen Omega and feleuk. My vet was recently

approved by the FDA to

import the standard course of VO for Ember. I have

put money aside for

quite awhile, hoping that we would get this

chance.


The thing is, Ember is, for the most part,

asymptomatic. She did have

an odd spell of anemia (down to 19 last October

and subsequently back

to 35 for the last few vet visits, starting in

November). She also had

especially low wbc at the same time, which is now

back to low-normal.

She seems to have developed a food allergy to

Innova EVO dry, though

she tolerates EVO canned (and now Felidae) just

fine.


Ember will have another ELISA to verify her

status. If she is still

positive, do you think we should go ahead with the

VO, even though she

seems to be doing pretty well?


Thanks,

Lance










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Re: sigh. don't forget to keep checking for recall news.

[Taylor Scobie Humphrey]

Good luck!  Kitties can be sooo fussy--which is why we LOVE them!  I  
still have not found the correct mix of vities, mins and other  
goodies cats must have so when you find out. . . . .

Taylor Scobie Humphrey
[EMAIL PROTECTED]


On Apr 17, 2007, at 9:00 AM, Belinda wrote:

  I just ordered both of those books on Amazon.com it was exactly  
cheap but they are getting hard to find, as it is I won't get the  
pitcairn book until the first or second week of May and the other  
the end of April.  I've been cooking for Fred and will gradually  
switch the others, right now I just want to get Fred eating enough,  
he's my CRF guy.


My vet is still fighting me on the feeding tube, I'm going to weigh  
him each day until the 25 and then we'll see if he's gaining,  
maintaining or losing.  So far he gained an oz from the 15th to the  
16th.  He doesn't look like it he is so bony.
Wish me luck, my guys are having a hard time giving up their Fancy  
Feast, I'm so worried and want to get them off any processed food  
as soon as possible.


I've got the texture stuff pretty well figured out, because their  
food has to have the same texture as their Fancy feast, my guys are  
very texture oriented.  But the right vitamins and minerals they  
need is where I'm having problems, that's why I ordered the books,  
plus to get a little variety in their diet.


--

Belinda
happiness is being owned by cats ...

Be-Mi-Kitties
http://bemikitties.com

Post Adoptable FeLV/FIV/FIP Cats/Kittens
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Fwd: [feline-hyperT] OT:Natural Balance-Melamine

[wendy]

Note: forwarded message attached.


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 Natural Balance Pet Foods said Tuesday it found melamine in two of its pet
food products, which the company has recalled.

But Natural Balance doesn't use wheat gluten, the ingredient contaminated
with melamine in the Menu recall. Instead, it suspects that melamine was in
a rice protein concentrate, a new ingredient used in the dry foods, said
Natural Balance president Joey Herrick. "That was the only change in the
product," he says.

The concentrate is now being tested, he added. Melamine was detected in
samples of the food. The recalled foods are: Venison & Brown Rice Dry Dog
Food and Venison & Green Pea Dry Cat Foods.

Whether other pet food makers got the same rice protein concentrate is
unclear at this time. Herrick says the food was made for Natural Balance by
Diamond Pet Foods.

Read More at:
http://www.usatoday.com/money/industries/2007-04-17-premium-pet-food-recalled_N.htm



Candace


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--- End Message ---

Re: Stamp went to the bridge

[Taylor Scobie Humphrey]

Poor Stamp.  I'm sure my big kitty Jack Jack (he passed away from  
hypertrophic cardiomyopathy last spring) has met him already.  He's  
quite a kitty love bug.

Taylor Scobie Humphrey
[EMAIL PROTECTED]


On Apr 17, 2007, at 8:11 AM, Gussies mom wrote:

I had Stamp PTS this morning. He was getting very uncomfortable  
from the FIP, was jaundiced, losing weight, and anemic.


Beth

Ahhh...imagining that irresistible "new car" smell?
Check out new cars at Yahoo! Autos.

Re: OT - Good news for Joey's Kitty Buddy

[Taylor Scobie Humphrey]

Oh, Yy!  We love those kitties--AND those vets!

Taylor Scobie Humphrey
[EMAIL PROTECTED]


On Apr 17, 2007, at 7:52 AM, Kelley Saveika wrote:


She's being adopted - by my vet!  He likes her:)  and she likes him:)


--
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http://www.rescuties.org

Vist the Rescuties store and save a kitty life!

http://astore.amazon.com/rescuties-20

Please help Joey!
http://rescuties.chipin.com/joey-autoimmune-hemolytic-anemia

Re: OT - Good news for Joey's Kitty Buddy

[wendy]

That says good things about you too Kelley.  He
probably wouldn't adopt from someone he didn't trust. 



--- Kelley Saveika <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> I was really surprised.  He's seen 40 or 50 of my
> rescue cats over the
> last year or so and never wanted to adopt one
> before.  I was shocked.
> 
> On 4/17/07, wendy <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > That's so cool!!!  I bet being a vet's pet is
> quite a
> > treat!
> >
> > :)
> > Wendy
> >
> > --- Kelley Saveika <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> >
> > > She's being adopted - by my vet!  He likes her:)
> > > and she likes him:)
> > >
> > >
> > > --
> > > Rescuties - Saving the world, one cat at a time.
> > >
> > > http://www.rescuties.org
> > >
> > > Vist the Rescuties store and save a kitty life!
> > >
> > > http://astore.amazon.com/rescuties-20
> > >
> > > Please help Joey!
> > >
> >
>
http://rescuties.chipin.com/joey-autoimmune-hemolytic-anemia
> > >
> > >
> >
> >
> > "Never doubt that a small group of thoughtful
> committed citizens can change the world - indeed it
> is the only thing that ever has!" ~~~ Margaret
> Meade ~~~
> >
> >
> > __
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> 
> -- 
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> 
> http://www.rescuties.org
> 
> Vist the Rescuties store and save a kitty life!
> 
> http://astore.amazon.com/rescuties-20
> 
> Please help Joey!
>
http://rescuties.chipin.com/joey-autoimmune-hemolytic-anemia
> 
> 


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Re: Could VO help an asymptomatic FeLV+ cat?

[wendy]

Hey Lance,

I tend to be in agreement with Nina.  Listen to your
heart and gut.  

If it were me, I would be hesitant to do anything
differently if my kitty were asymptomatic.  Can your
vet put off ordering the VO or order it for other
client's symptomatic kitties to see how it works? 
Does his FDA approval have an expiration?  I have seen
good things about VO from European users.  You might
query the archives and see what pulls up on it because
I know it's been discussed here before.  

:)
Wendy

--- Nina <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> It's wonderful to hear Ember is doing well.  That
> was such a scary 
> episode with her anemia symptoms.  I have long
> suspected that FIO might 
> be useful in treating kitties when they first
> contract the disease to 
> fight it off.  Unfortunately, we don't have the
> research to prove or 
> disprove that. 
> 
> You asked for thoughts and opinions...  If my memory
> serves me 
> correctly, FIO lasts a year before reconstitution in
> the fridge.  I 
> think if it were me, I'd order it as a safeguard
> measure to keep close 
> in case it's needed.  I'm betting if you started to
> near the expiration 
> date, there would be someone on the list willing to
> buy it from you.  I 
> don't know about using it on asymptomatic kitties. 
> Who knows, it might 
> help in some way.  I would probably use Interferon A
> while she's 
> asymptomatic to help her stay that way.  I think
> it's Gloria that has 
> used the IA that way and had kitties crash when she
> took them off it, 
> (I've used IA off and on when symptoms presented,
> but not consistently 
> while they were feeling good).  I don't know Lance,
> it's such a crap 
> shoot, I so wish we had more answers.  My best
> advice is to follow your 
> intuition and do what your heart tells you.  Along
> with fighting felv, 
> the next big battle is fighting the potential "what
> ifs".
> Hugs to you and Ember,
> Nina
> 
> Lance wrote:
> > Hello all,
> >
> > I'm sorry that I haven't been posting any lately.
> I've seen some sad 
> > news, and my heart goes out to all who have lost
> feline friends in the 
> > last few weeks.
> >
> > I have a question that will be hard to answer.
> Really, I'm looking for 
> > thoughts and opinions, since I don't think we know
> enough about 
> > Virbagen Omega and feleuk. My vet was recently
> approved by the FDA to 
> > import the standard course of VO for Ember. I have
> put money aside for 
> > quite awhile, hoping that we would get this
> chance.
> >
> > The thing is, Ember is, for the most part,
> asymptomatic. She did have 
> > an odd spell of anemia (down to 19 last October
> and subsequently back 
> > to 35 for the last few vet visits, starting in
> November). She also had 
> > especially low wbc at the same time, which is now
> back to low-normal. 
> > She seems to have developed a food allergy to
> Innova EVO dry, though 
> > she tolerates EVO canned (and now Felidae) just
> fine.
> >
> > Ember will have another ELISA to verify her
> status. If she is still 
> > positive, do you think we should go ahead with the
> VO, even though she 
> > seems to be doing pretty well?
> >
> >
> > Thanks,
> >
> > Lance
> >
> >
> >
> 
> 
> 


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Re: OT - Good news for Joey's Kitty Buddy

[Kelley Saveika]

I was really surprised.  He's seen 40 or 50 of my rescue cats over the
last year or so and never wanted to adopt one before.  I was shocked.

On 4/17/07, wendy <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

That's so cool!!!  I bet being a vet's pet is quite a
treat!

:)
Wendy

--- Kelley Saveika <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> She's being adopted - by my vet!  He likes her:)
> and she likes him:)
>
>
> --
> Rescuties - Saving the world, one cat at a time.
>
> http://www.rescuties.org
>
> Vist the Rescuties store and save a kitty life!
>
> http://astore.amazon.com/rescuties-20
>
> Please help Joey!
>
http://rescuties.chipin.com/joey-autoimmune-hemolytic-anemia
>
>


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--
Rescuties - Saving the world, one cat at a time.

http://www.rescuties.org

Vist the Rescuties store and save a kitty life!

http://astore.amazon.com/rescuties-20

Please help Joey!
http://rescuties.chipin.com/joey-autoimmune-hemolytic-anemia

Re: OT - Good news for Joey's Kitty Buddy

[wendy]

That's so cool!!!  I bet being a vet's pet is quite a
treat!

:)
Wendy

--- Kelley Saveika <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> She's being adopted - by my vet!  He likes her:) 
> and she likes him:)
> 
> 
> -- 
> Rescuties - Saving the world, one cat at a time.
> 
> http://www.rescuties.org
> 
> Vist the Rescuties store and save a kitty life!
> 
> http://astore.amazon.com/rescuties-20
> 
> Please help Joey!
>
http://rescuties.chipin.com/joey-autoimmune-hemolytic-anemia
> 
> 


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Re: Stamp went to the bridge

[elizabeth trent]

Beth,
I am so very sorry.  My heart is with you.

elizabeth


On 4/17/07, Gussies mom <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:


I had Stamp PTS this morning. He was getting very uncomfortable from the
FIP, was jaundiced, losing weight, and anemic.

Beth

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Re: Stamp went to the bridge

[wendy]

I forgot about this until Lance mentioned it.  I love
how Stamp got his name too.  He was lucky to have you
Beth.

:)
Wendy

--- Lance <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> I'm saddened to see that Stamp has passed. I
> remember the story of  
> him being named Stamp because he was found at a post
> office... one of  
> many things about him I'm sure you'll treasure.
> You're in my prayers.  
> Take care.
> 
> Lance
> 
> 
> On Apr 17, 2007, at 8:11 AM, Gussies mom wrote:
> 
> > I had Stamp PTS this morning. He was getting very
> uncomfortable  
> > from the FIP, was jaundiced, losing weight, and
> anemic.
> >
> > Beth
> >
> > Ahhh...imagining that irresistible "new car"
> smell?
> > Check out new cars at Yahoo! Autos.
> 
> 


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Re: Stamp went to the bridge

[wendy]

Beth,

I am so sorry about little Stamp.  My heart goes out
to you.

:)
Wendy


--- Gussies mom <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> I had Stamp PTS this morning. He was getting very
> uncomfortable from the FIP, was jaundiced, losing
> weight, and anemic.
>
>   Beth
> 
>
> -
> Ahhh...imagining that irresistible "new car" smell?
>  Check outnew cars at Yahoo! Autos.


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RE: Stamp went to the bridge

[Melissa Lind]

Beth, my heart grieves for you. What a darling name-let your happy memories
bring you joy in the future. Melissa

 

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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Gussies mom
Sent: Tuesday, April 17, 2007 8:11 AM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: Stamp went to the bridge

 

I had Stamp PTS this morning. He was getting very uncomfortable from the
FIP, was jaundiced, losing weight, and anemic.

 

Beth

  

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  cars
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Re: Fwd: ACT NOW: FDA Forbidding AllAlternative HealthCare

[Nina]

Thanks for the heads up Lance.  I'm going to forward it to the woman 
that helped me with Gypsy's homeopathic regime.

Nina

Lance wrote:
This was sent to me by Ember's homeopathic vet. It may be of interest 
to some of you.


Lance

Re: Could VO help an asymptomatic FeLV+ cat?

[Nina]

It's wonderful to hear Ember is doing well.  That was such a scary 
episode with her anemia symptoms.  I have long suspected that FIO might 
be useful in treating kitties when they first contract the disease to 
fight it off.  Unfortunately, we don't have the research to prove or 
disprove that. 

You asked for thoughts and opinions...  If my memory serves me 
correctly, FIO lasts a year before reconstitution in the fridge.  I 
think if it were me, I'd order it as a safeguard measure to keep close 
in case it's needed.  I'm betting if you started to near the expiration 
date, there would be someone on the list willing to buy it from you.  I 
don't know about using it on asymptomatic kitties.  Who knows, it might 
help in some way.  I would probably use Interferon A while she's 
asymptomatic to help her stay that way.  I think it's Gloria that has 
used the IA that way and had kitties crash when she took them off it, 
(I've used IA off and on when symptoms presented, but not consistently 
while they were feeling good).  I don't know Lance, it's such a crap 
shoot, I so wish we had more answers.  My best advice is to follow your 
intuition and do what your heart tells you.  Along with fighting felv, 
the next big battle is fighting the potential "what ifs".

Hugs to you and Ember,
Nina

Lance wrote:

Hello all,

I'm sorry that I haven't been posting any lately. I've seen some sad 
news, and my heart goes out to all who have lost feline friends in the 
last few weeks.


I have a question that will be hard to answer. Really, I'm looking for 
thoughts and opinions, since I don't think we know enough about 
Virbagen Omega and feleuk. My vet was recently approved by the FDA to 
import the standard course of VO for Ember. I have put money aside for 
quite awhile, hoping that we would get this chance.


The thing is, Ember is, for the most part, asymptomatic. She did have 
an odd spell of anemia (down to 19 last October and subsequently back 
to 35 for the last few vet visits, starting in November). She also had 
especially low wbc at the same time, which is now back to low-normal. 
She seems to have developed a food allergy to Innova EVO dry, though 
she tolerates EVO canned (and now Felidae) just fine.


Ember will have another ELISA to verify her status. If she is still 
positive, do you think we should go ahead with the VO, even though she 
seems to be doing pretty well?



Thanks,

Lance

Re: Home made turkey recipe/more recipes

[Belinda]

 Nina thanks for the recipe, will print it out to add to my growing 
collection.



Aunt Darla’s Irish Turkey

In large bowl, combine dry ingredients:

* Cooked Turkey: Minced 3 -4 cups (1.2 -1.5 lbs)
* Med boiled Egg: 2 finely minced whole
* Cooked turkey liver & heart: minced (or 20,000 IU Vita A & 400 IU 
Vita D) 


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RE: Stamp went to the bridge

[Rosenfeldt, Diane]

I'm so sorry, Beth.  



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Subject: Stamp went to the bridge


I had Stamp PTS this morning. He was getting very uncomfortable from the
FIP, was jaundiced, losing weight, and anemic.
 
Beth



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Re: Stamp went to the bridge

[Nina]

Beth,
Something that helps me is to write memorials to them.  To just sit down 
and through my tears write all the wonderful quirky memories I'm 
grateful for.  To place among pasted pictures free flow words of love 
and peace.  Blessings to you in your grief my dear.  Stamp was loved and 
he loved in return.  Thank you so much for giving him a chance to know 
what HOME means.  He gets to take that with him and leave it behind with 
you as well.

Nina

Gussies mom wrote:
I had Stamp PTS this morning. He was getting very uncomfortable from 
the FIP, was jaundiced, losing weight, and anemic.
 
Beth



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Re: Stamp went to the bridge

[Marissa Johnson]

Aw Beth.  So sorry to hear this!!!  I was hoping he'd pull through.  GLOW and 
hugs to you!!
   
  MJ

Gussies mom <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
I had Stamp PTS this morning. He was getting very uncomfortable from the 
FIP, was jaundiced, losing weight, and anemic.
   
  Beth

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each other.  If you do not talk to them you will not know them, and 
what you do not know you will fear. What one fears, one destroys." 
--Chief Dan George


"I hold that, the more helpless a creature, the more entitled it is to 
protection by man from the cruelty of man The greatness of a nation and its 
moral progress can be judged by the way its animals are treated." Mohandas 
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Re: Stamp went to the bridge

[Susan Loesch]

Beth, I am so sorry.

Barb Moermond <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:  
  Oh Beth, I'm so sorry.  GLOW to light his path and ease your heart...
 
Barb+Smoky the House Puma+El Bandito Malito

"My cat the clown: paying no mind to whom he should impress. Merely living his 
life, doing what pleases him, and making me smile." 
- Anonymous   

  - Original Message 
From: Gussies mom <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Sent: Tuesday, April 17, 2007 8:11:15 AM
Subject: Stamp went to the bridge

  I had Stamp PTS this morning. He was getting very uncomfortable from the FIP, 
was jaundiced, losing weight, and anemic.
   
  Beth

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Re: Stamp went to the bridge

[Sherry DeHaan]

Beth,I am soo sorry that you lost Stamp.Hugs to you.
  Sherry

Gussies mom <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
I had Stamp PTS this morning. He was getting very uncomfortable from the 
FIP, was jaundiced, losing weight, and anemic.
   
  Beth

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Re: Stamp went to the bridge

[Barb Moermond]

Oh Beth, I'm so sorry.  GLOW to light his path and ease your heart...
 
Barb+Smoky the House Puma+El Bandito Malito

"My cat the clown: paying no mind to whom he should impress. Merely living his 
life, doing what pleases him, and making me smile." 
- Anonymous



- Original Message 
From: Gussies mom <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
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Sent: Tuesday, April 17, 2007 8:11:15 AM
Subject: Stamp went to the bridge


I had Stamp PTS this morning. He was getting very uncomfortable from the FIP, 
was jaundiced, losing weight, and anemic.
 
Beth


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Re: sigh. don't forget to keep checking for recall news.

[Belinda]

  I just ordered both of those books on Amazon.com it was exactly cheap 
but they are getting hard to find, as it is I won't get the pitcairn 
book until the first or second week of May and the other the end of 
April.  I've been cooking for Fred and will gradually switch the others, 
right now I just want to get Fred eating enough, he's my CRF guy.


My vet is still fighting me on the feeding tube, I'm going to weigh him 
each day until the 25 and then we'll see if he's gaining, maintaining or 
losing.  So far he gained an oz from the 15th to the 16th.  He doesn't 
look like it he is so bony.
Wish me luck, my guys are having a hard time giving up their Fancy 
Feast, I'm so worried and want to get them off any processed food as 
soon as possible.


I've got the texture stuff pretty well figured out, because their food 
has to have the same texture as their Fancy feast, my guys are very 
texture oriented.  But the right vitamins and minerals they need is 
where I'm having problems, that's why I ordered the books, plus to get a 
little variety in their diet.


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Re: Stamp went to the bridge

[Lance]

I'm saddened to see that Stamp has passed. I remember the story of  
him being named Stamp because he was found at a post office... one of  
many things about him I'm sure you'll treasure. You're in my prayers.  
Take care.


Lance


On Apr 17, 2007, at 8:11 AM, Gussies mom wrote:

I had Stamp PTS this morning. He was getting very uncomfortable  
from the FIP, was jaundiced, losing weight, and anemic.


Beth

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Re: Stamp went to the bridge

[Leslie Lawther]

*FIP is such a horrid disease... I'm so, so sorry for your loss.  The Orion
Foundation used to have beautiful pins to support FIP research and to wear
in memory of those lost to FIP.  I have one for both Gabby and Albert
(siblings lost to FIP) and wear it all the time - It's a wonderful way to
remember them, and give to a good cause.  Visit
http://www.orionfoundation.com/*

*Leslie =^..^=*



On 4/17/07, Gussies mom <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:


I had Stamp PTS this morning. He was getting very uncomfortable from the
FIP, was jaundiced, losing weight, and anemic.

Beth

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patch, or an improved social condition - that is to have succeeded.  That
only one life breathed easier because you lived - that is success.
---Ralph Waldo Emerson

Re: Stamp went to the bridge

[Kelley Saveika]

Beth,

I'm so sorry for your loss.

Kelley

On 4/17/07, Gussies mom <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

I had Stamp PTS this morning. He was getting very uncomfortable from the
FIP, was jaundiced, losing weight, and anemic.

Beth


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Please help Joey!
http://rescuties.chipin.com/joey-autoimmune-hemolytic-anemia

Stamp went to the bridge

[Gussies mom]

I had Stamp PTS this morning. He was getting very uncomfortable from the FIP, 
was jaundiced, losing weight, and anemic.
   
  Beth

   
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[Kelley Saveika]

She's being adopted - by my vet!  He likes her:)  and she likes him:)


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Re: finally, the homemade-cat-food chat transcript

[Taylor Scobie Humphrey]

I'd love that! Except no to any onions, garlic, raisins, grapes or  
chocolate!  And yes to taurine!  When my ex-husband and I were  
married we used to eat at the coffee table sitting on the floor and  
my fabulous cat Boots' FAVORITE meal was veal Normande.  He would  
just crawl all over us for more when I made it!  It was really amusing!


Taylor Scobie Humphrey
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On Apr 16, 2007, at 11:50 PM, Susan Hoffman wrote:

Having just shared my dinner -- frozen turkey divan with alfredo  
sauce and parmesan -- with Little Sister Fuzzy Toes, it occurs to  
me that it might not be that difficult for SOME cats to avoid  
commercial catfood.  A good vitamin/mineral supplement and whatever  
I'm having should work.


elizabeth trent <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
Thank you for this, Mary Christine.

elizabeth


On 4/16/07, TenHouseCats <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
but if you're looking for quick fixes, one-size-fits-all, it's not  
here. this talks about the basics of nutrition and how to make  
sure you meet each cat's individual needs.


http://www.cathobbyist.com/articles/HomemadeDietsForCats.html

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Re: Camilla and Spencer

[Taylor Scobie Humphrey]

Love and healing to
Camilla and Spencer from
Lilibet, Billi Bi and the 3 Orange Boyz

and their mom--me.

Taylor Scobie Humphrey
[EMAIL PROTECTED]


On Apr 16, 2007, at 9:00 PM, wendy wrote:


Prayers going out for both Camilla and Spencer.

:)
Wendy

--- Sherry DeHaan <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:


We are in great need of prayers and good thoughts
for these two wonderful babies.
  Camilla has gone down hill fast and is anemic,she
is also one of Dr. Jens all time fav kitties.
  Spencer has the same thing that Diesel just lost
his battle to.But his isn't as bad it is only
swollen on one side of his throat.She is trying all
that she can for these babies.THanks so much.
  Sherry


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