RE: FLUXLIST: license agreement www.illegal-art.org
---Probabbly why my jokes are getting rather feeble - I need my sleep! Mind you, now its early in teh morning and I still don't feel very funny! Maybe I need a course of witimins ? Michael Roger Stevens [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Well, you might go up to an elk and say, may I use your bar But you're less likely to go up to a cow and say, may I use your moo - Roger PS You're up late tonight, Michael Visit The Poetry Zone http://www.poetryzone.co.uk -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of michael leigh Sent: 26 May 2004 22:53 To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: FLUXLIST: license agreement www.illegal-art.org --Elks don't go bar they go moo MichaELK - [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: In a message dated 5/26/04 1:16:25 AM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: The Website is owned by its authors (the Elks Clubs of America) and its suppliers. Its structure, organization, and what I want to know--do we get to use their bar? Yahoo! Messenger - Communicate instantly...Ping your friends today! Download Messenger Now http://uk.messenger.yahoo.com/download/index.html Yahoo! Messenger - Communicate instantly...Ping your friends today! Download Messenger Now http://uk.messenger.yahoo.com/download/index.html
Re: FLUXLIST: Wolverines and badgers. Holy Toledo, Batman!
S'funny you should mention trickster-heroes because here in Cheshire we have the famous Cheshire Clams. We celebrate every July 5th with a big parade of floats made to look like Clams and the Cheshire Clam Queen and King are crowned with a fetching headpeice of clams, barnacles and whelks. Thousands of people line the route with clams on sticks and sometimes clams are thrown at the feet of the parading Queens and Kings who crunch all the way to the Town hall where they are presented with more clam oriented regalia. the smell is something else! The clam ofcourse is a powerful hallucinogenic especially if inhaled through a turbot. --- allen bukoff [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: No, MIchigan is the Wolverine state. More on Wolverines at http://www.wolverinefoundation.org/. More on Badgers at http://www.badgers.org.uk/links/. I think we can all agree that Wolverines are a lot more interesting and exotic than badgers. Indian mythology describes the wolverine as a trickster-hero, and a link to the spirit world. Perhaps unrelated, or perhaps not, is the historical fact that Michigan (the trickster Wolverine) in a deal with Ohio (the Buckeye State whose official animal is the White-Tailed Deer) took the upper part of Wisconsin (the Upper Peninsula) away from Wisconsin in exchange for giving Toledo to Ohio. If you badger someone in Wisconsin about this, they usually just shrug their shoulders. Should Fluxlist have an official trickster-hero? i like iin the Badger State--Wisconsin, usa-- I thought it was Michigan??? On Wed, 26 May 2004 17:26:38 -0500, David-Baptiste Chirot wrote: Esteemed Ones: with all the tlak of badgers-- i like iin the Badger State--Wisconsin, usa-- the mascot/image of the sports teams (formidable ones i may add-- including 3 Rose Bowl wins in last ten years and several Big Ten Championships in american college football)--are called The Badgers- -and the mascot is Bucky Badger--for his buckteeth--ferocious forward strolling on two legs badger--! once wrote to ask badger girl if she was from Wisconsin--but isn't-- i grew up in Vermont, the Catamount being our mascot--a wild cat that is supposedly extinct yet occaisionally still claimed to be sighted-- i live in Milwaukee --the mascot/symbol of the University of Wisconsin-Milwaukee is a black panther--and Marquette, in a very controversial decision, changed from being the Warriors, which offended American Indian groups, to the Golden Eagles-- the State Motto is: forward have always liked that one--in which of the four directions moving forward?--towards where?-- well, as the song says, On Wisconsin--!follwoing our Badger leader-- From: Roger Stevens [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: FLUXLIST: what is Fluxus? Date: Wed, 26 May 2004 22:47:04 +0100 Badgergirl asks - And you, Roger Dodger? Are you well? I am indeed, thank you. I was visiting an infant school in Shoeburyness today and saw a road sign which said Beware of Badgers. Well, actually it was a red triangle which simply said Badgers. I would have stopped to photograph it but I was in a stream of medium to slow moving traffic at the time. That's twice I've thought of you in the last week. Weird, eh? -Roger -Original Message- From: Roger Stevens [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: May 24, 2004 4:12 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: FLUXLIST: what is Fluxus? Hey Badger Girl With all the hoo ha going on I was only thinking this morning - haven't heard from badger girl for a while And here you are Hi! How's it going? XXX Roger -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:owner- [EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of badgergirl Sent: 24 May 2004 18:37 To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: FLUXLIST: what is Fluxus? No, no! That goes down stairs Alone or in pairs. BG -Original Message- From: jonah hex [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: May 23, 2004 8:23 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: FLUXLIST: what is Fluxus? I thought Fluxus was a slinky...or, um... Get 200+ ad-free, high-fidelity stations and LIVE Major League Baseball Gameday Audio! Yahoo! Messenger - Communicate instantly...Ping your friends today! Download Messenger Now http://uk.messenger.yahoo.com/download/index.html
Re: FLUXLIST: pkh
How about an assembling project of some kind where we all send a number of pages to be compiled into a book? Michael --- [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: In a message dated 5/26/04 6:08:36 AM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Remembering Patricia, project? Any other fluxkisters have ideas for this? -Don she always had a great sense of humor-she did a series of photos called Bad Produce, a pear was a gunslinger on the lam-etc. I dont know if that gives anyone ideas. Dawg Yahoo! Messenger - Communicate instantly...Ping your friends today! Download Messenger Now http://uk.messenger.yahoo.com/download/index.html
FLUXLIST: AW: pkh
Oh, yes. i also would like to have one postcard. in exchange i will then send a mail art postcard to, say, the first person that says that he or she would like to have it. Georg Birkner Röntgenstrasse 44 CH - 8005 Zürich Switzerland I inherited all petal's fluxus stuff-recently found a piece by = Michael Leigh Curios. I have a little fluxus altar set up to her in my = antiques business in Monterey. I have some wonderful mail art postcards = she did. If anyone is interested send me your snail mail and I will send = you one. Dawg
Re: FLUXLIST: Calling Trombonists
--Well actually Roger you've hit upon a secret vice of mine, namely, collecting trombobes and welding them together to make central heating systems for eccentric millionaires. I tried to interest Mr Saatchi in a system for his new gallery but he said he would prefer if the trombones were made from asbestos. There's no pleasing some people eh? Michael - Roger Stevens [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Is this of interest to anyone? 76 Trombones? Festival invites trombonists to create world's biggest trombone band South Hill Park Arts Centre in Bracknell and top UK trombonist Dennis Rollins' are inviting trombonists of all backgrounds and abilities to join them on Sat 3 July. Participants will join Dennis Rollins' new ten trombone BoneYard project to create a huge gospel trombone band. The BoneYard band is based on the 'shout' bands of North Carolina and is touring throughout the summer with the support of ACE. The 76 trombone project will take place on Sat 3rd July. Anyone interested in being involved would attend a free workshop from 2.30-3.30pm on the day and then join the end of Dennis' performance at approx 6.30-7.30pm. They would be able to attend the whole day at the festival in the grounds of South Hill Park and which includes artists such as Lemon Jelly, Kad Achouri, Jerry Dammers, Pram and Patrick Wolf as well as street theatre, circus, multimedia and installations. Trombonists interested in taking part should send their details by email to mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] with '76 Trombones' in the subject line. Visit The Poetry Zone http://www.poetryzone.co.uk Yahoo! Messenger - Communicate instantly...Ping your friends today! Download Messenger Now http://uk.messenger.yahoo.com/download/index.html
Re: FLUXLIST: accidental fluxlist
--Well, strangley enough I was I teh BArgain Booze down the road just now and I accidentally fell into a time portal situated in between the Cheese and onion Crisp dispenser and the Tasmanian Champagne and ended up in Gaul in the 9th century! As luck would have it a nearby empty castle contained a huge library of mouldering books and parchments and on one rather smelly and disgusting peice of vellum was scrawled- Qhel merde de frottage, Dans le frappe mon page Avec le tea et crumpette Pour les grande souflette! Michael suse [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Oddly therre is an anonymous Kufic script from 10th century which reads: Deus, my beloved, behold dervish crump IT may be something in me. Lets grope with tea and crumpets sing coo coo to the pink strumpet The Button Press Doush thou be lumpit, Me olde dear crump It maketh me slump IN me glope wiv tea An crumpet play lood On the pink trumpet A.1.Waste PAper Co. Ltd. Yahoo! Messenger - Communicate instantly...Ping your friends today! Download Messenger Now http://uk.messenger.yahoo.com/download/index.html
FLUXLIST: RE: Ben Patterson:s 70th birthday
Am writing from \tokyo--\ben has arrived by Orient \express according to \george Maciunas` wishes for his 70th birthday--we are going to caravan to Mt. \fuji where \ayo has organized about 30 performances of \fluxus artists on the mountain--don:t know much else except it is an event not to be missed sponsored by \gallery 360 degrees in \tokyo--I have just passed my 70th and wanted you all to know that on 29 May we will be on Mt. \fuji. Judith \a. Hoffberg aka Umbrella Original Message: - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (FLUXLIST-digest) Date: Tue, 25 May 2004 13:57:33 -0700 To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: FLUXLIST-digest V4 #442 FLUXLIST-digest Tuesday, May 25 2004 Volume 04 : Number 442 In this issue: == Re: FLUXLIST: I survived FLUXLIST and what is Fluxus? Re: FLUXLIST: I survived FLUXLIST and what is Fluxus? -- Date: Tue, 25 May 2004 16:54:58 -0400 From: suse [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: FLUXLIST: I survived FLUXLIST and what is Fluxus? I am interested in the piece. Actually, though I am absolutely nobody, I gathered up a group of folks who have been influenced by fluxus and planned to hold an exhibition this month. Plans generally evolved into the mud over at Birdland where the event was to be held. It will be revived again in the future--meantime energies are being directed toward The Buttonwood Tree. www.buttonwood.org. PS ANYONE out there with an interest in site design is welcome to come up with a new site for The Buttonwood Tree--we are perhaps changing the name as we go through a process similar to mitosis--perhaps simply 'The Button'--someone is already designated to design otherparts such as NOMA, etc. - - Original Message - From: Owen Smith [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, May 25, 2004 4:18 PM Subject: FLUXLIST: I survived FLUXLIST and what is Fluxus? Wow! All I did was not check my email for a couple of days and the list exploded with a flurry of posts. As I read through them what struck me was regardless of the nature and direction - what has beeen generated is a really interesting series of statements about fluxus, history, art, theory and the connections between them, so for a reader point of view thank you all. As some of you know I am currently editing a special issue of Visible Language on Fluxus, but not the usual historical stuff, more on fluxus as an ongoing aesthetic/cultural phenomena. I am planing/hopeing to include materials by artists who are not necessarily fluxus in the historical sense but have been influenced by or see their work and iideas in relation to fluxus - so all the posted comments have been very interesting for me to read and I have quite enjoyed all the variety of issues and statements. And in the end, I guess what it says to me is that fluxus is still alive, at least in relivance, otherwise not so many of you would feel the way you do, and that is a good thing. . . . I am also working on a piece for the issue that might be relivant to these discussions so I am sending it along. It is in rough draft format and I intend to expand it with more current practices/examples, but none-the-less I will include it here for your consisderation, and if you are not interested please just ignore the rest of this post. Owen Owen -- Date: Tue, 25 May 2004 17:07:27 -0400 From: Owen Smith [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: FLUXLIST: I survived FLUXLIST and what is Fluxus? [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: I am interested in the piece. Sorry the piece did not come throught the last time - here it is for anyone who is interested. Also Suse tell me more about this show, it sounds very interesting even if it did not happen this time. Owen As evidenced by the existence of this publication Fluxus is increasingly becoming the object of scholarly consideration. In the last ten years there have been an ever-increasing number of exhibitions, journal publications and even books on Fluxus. In light of this growing recognition and attention I would suggest that we should ask ourselves, What is the nature of the information that we are gaining and at what expense is this knowledge being accrued? It may seem peculiar to suggest that the acquisition of knowledge about Fluxus and the construction of a history of Fluxus is somehow detrimental, but I believe that this is often the case and I would therefore argue that we must consider not only the particulars through which a history of Fluxus might be developed but also what such a process does to our awareness/understanding of Fluxus or even to Fluxus itself. There are two principal concerns which should be addressed: the first is that many of the traditional accepted practices of history, art history, and cultural institutions such as museums, are directly in conflict with some of the basic attitudes that I feel lie behind many of
Re: FLUXLIST: RE: Ben Patterson:s 70th birthday
Happy B-Day, Judy. I last saw Fujiyama around 1950... As it happens, there's a little present headed yr way. Onword, John At 06:13 AM 5/27/2004 -0400, you wrote: Am writing from \tokyo--\ben has arrived by Orient \express according to \george Maciunas` wishes for his 70th birthday--we are going to caravan to Mt. \fuji where \ayo has organized about 30 performances of \fluxus artists on the mountain--don:t know much else except it is an event not to be missed sponsored by \gallery 360 degrees in \tokyo--I have just passed my 70th and wanted you all to know that on 29 May we will be on Mt. \fuji. Judith \a. Hoffberg aka Umbrella Original Message: - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (FLUXLIST-digest) Date: Tue, 25 May 2004 13:57:33 -0700 To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: FLUXLIST-digest V4 #442 FLUXLIST-digest Tuesday, May 25 2004 Volume 04 : Number 442 In this issue: == Re: FLUXLIST: I survived FLUXLIST and what is Fluxus? Re: FLUXLIST: I survived FLUXLIST and what is Fluxus? -- Date: Tue, 25 May 2004 16:54:58 -0400 From: suse [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: FLUXLIST: I survived FLUXLIST and what is Fluxus? I am interested in the piece. Actually, though I am absolutely nobody, I gathered up a group of folks who have been influenced by fluxus and planned to hold an exhibition this month. Plans generally evolved into the mud over at Birdland where the event was to be held. It will be revived again in the future--meantime energies are being directed toward The Buttonwood Tree. www.buttonwood.org. PS ANYONE out there with an interest in site design is welcome to come up with a new site for The Buttonwood Tree--we are perhaps changing the name as we go through a process similar to mitosis--perhaps simply 'The Button'--someone is already designated to design otherparts such as NOMA, etc. - - Original Message - From: Owen Smith [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, May 25, 2004 4:18 PM Subject: FLUXLIST: I survived FLUXLIST and what is Fluxus? Wow! All I did was not check my email for a couple of days and the list exploded with a flurry of posts. As I read through them what struck me was regardless of the nature and direction - what has beeen generated is a really interesting series of statements about fluxus, history, art, theory and the connections between them, so for a reader point of view thank you all. As some of you know I am currently editing a special issue of Visible Language on Fluxus, but not the usual historical stuff, more on fluxus as an ongoing aesthetic/cultural phenomena. I am planing/hopeing to include materials by artists who are not necessarily fluxus in the historical sense but have been influenced by or see their work and iideas in relation to fluxus - so all the posted comments have been very interesting for me to read and I have quite enjoyed all the variety of issues and statements. And in the end, I guess what it says to me is that fluxus is still alive, at least in relivance, otherwise not so many of you would feel the way you do, and that is a good thing. . . . I am also working on a piece for the issue that might be relivant to these discussions so I am sending it along. It is in rough draft format and I intend to expand it with more current practices/examples, but none-the-less I will include it here for your consisderation, and if you are not interested please just ignore the rest of this post. Owen Owen -- Date: Tue, 25 May 2004 17:07:27 -0400 From: Owen Smith [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: FLUXLIST: I survived FLUXLIST and what is Fluxus? [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: I am interested in the piece. Sorry the piece did not come throught the last time - here it is for anyone who is interested. Also Suse tell me more about this show, it sounds very interesting even if it did not happen this time. Owen As evidenced by the existence of this publication Fluxus is increasingly becoming the object of scholarly consideration. In the last ten years there have been an ever-increasing number of exhibitions, journal publications and even books on Fluxus. In light of this growing recognition and attention I would suggest that we should ask ourselves, What is the nature of the information that we are gaining and at what expense is this knowledge being accrued? It may seem peculiar to suggest that the acquisition of knowledge about Fluxus and the construction of a history of Fluxus is somehow detrimental, but I believe that this is often the case and I would therefore argue that we must consider not only the particulars through which a history of Fluxus might be developed but also what such a process does to our awareness/understanding of Fluxus or even to Fluxus itself. There are two principal concerns which should be addressed: the first is that many of the traditional accepted practices of history, art
Re: RE: FLUXLIST: what is Fluxus?
Yes indeed. And I hope you've seen the film of Ack's story made by Sleeze Steele - quite amazing, they actually made the suit. John At 01:30 PM 5/26/2004 -0400, you wrote: Ah...something to go with Al Ackermans Vienna sausage suit! We could even cook up a food-based fashion show. Sure, it would probably smell pretty bad Or better yet, we could waste a lot of time planning it, but never quite accomplish anything! Hands up those of you who remember the Miss General Idea pagent. BG From: John M. Bennett [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: 2004/05/25 Tue PM 12:49:49 EDT To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: FLUXLIST: what is Fluxus? How about sewing all those omlettes together to make a suit? John At 12:35 PM 5/25/2004 -0400, you wrote: Hullo RS! Well, you know, all this is you am or is you ain't my fluxus stuff bores me silly. Besides, I've been spending a lot of time working with butter and eggs. Now, I've got an entire room filled with omlettes that I don't know what to do with. I'm thinking insulation. Or possibly Ebay. Perhaps a bathmat. Also, I've just changed my email address, [EMAIL PROTECTED] and I've been trying to get majordomo to accept my new application. Oh Mr. Bukoff... can you give us a little help in this direction? And you, Roger Dodger? Are you well? Kiss Kiss Badgergirl -Original Message- From: Roger Stevens [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: May 24, 2004 4:12 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: FLUXLIST: what is Fluxus? Hey Badger Girl With all the hoo ha going on I was only thinking this morning - haven't heard from badger girl for a while And here you are Hi! How's it going? XXX Roger -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of badgergirl Sent: 24 May 2004 18:37 To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: FLUXLIST: what is Fluxus? No, no! That goes down stairs Alone or in pairs. BG -Original Message- From: jonah hex [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: May 23, 2004 8:23 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: FLUXLIST: what is Fluxus? I thought Fluxus was a slinky...or, um... __ Dr. John M. Bennett Curator, Avant Writing Collection Rare Books Manuscripts Library The Ohio State University Libraries 1858 Neil Av Mall Columbus, OH 43210 USA (614) 292-3029 [EMAIL PROTECTED] www.johnmbennett.net ___ __ Dr. John M. Bennett Curator, Avant Writing Collection Rare Books Manuscripts Library The Ohio State University Libraries 1858 Neil Av Mall Columbus, OH 43210 USA (614) 292-3029 [EMAIL PROTECTED] www.johnmbennett.net ___
FLUXLIST: invitation
Invitation to The June 30th Manifesto YOU ARE INVITED TO SEND 1 PAGE FOR AN ANTHOLOGY FOCUSED ON THE WAR AND THE BUSH ADMINISTRATION. Text, poetry, visual poetry, collage, etc. Must be reproducible in black and white. Max size: 5 X 8 inches (12.5 X 20 cm.) Deadline: June 30, 2004. No returns, no guarantees! Organized by Scott Helmes John M. Bennett Send material on paper to: John M. Bennett Luna Bisonte Prods 137 Leland Ave. Columbus, OH 43214 USA __ Dr. John M. Bennett Curator, Avant Writing Collection Rare Books Manuscripts Library The Ohio State University Libraries 1858 Neil Av Mall Columbus, OH 43210 USA (614) 292-3029 [EMAIL PROTECTED] www.johnmbennett.net ___
FLUXLIST: all hail fluxlist!
No I've not read all the debate yet (yes I've been on holiday :) but thought I'd comment quickly about Fluxlist: It has its ups and downs, we come and go but it works and it works really well. We've been here as long as rhizome and the others but we've not gone commercial and we're still true to ourselves which is an achievement both in terms of Fluxus and Net Art. I can't say any more as I still have so many e-mails left to read. Remember only 2 years to go until fluxlist is ten. At the moment fluxlist is 8 and for any 8 year old it's pretty impressive. cheers, Sol. - Please use this signature to enhance the merriment of others: You can take the parrots out of Desford but you can't take Desford out of the parrots. - Varley
FLUXLIST: Peep
Peep peep jerk ,clung stibbar breath scorn sugar gnippots eussi for yr pencil lake yr krej breath lung ,ragus issue stopping no eht ekal lung massif broom booth ecalp formaldehyde ruoy gnimaeb tfel ,moorb massif plaque dust ,shaking in your plaque truss ,seeb gninnur ,epon psar meter tsud place ,gift ssurt you running rasp your gnikahs shaking ruoy psar gninnur uoy truss tfig, ecalp dust retem rasp nope, running bees, ssurt euqalp ruoy no gnikahs, tsud euqalp fissam broom, left beaming your edyhedlamrof place htoob moorb fissam gnul lake the in gnippots eussi sugar, gnul htaerb jerk ry ekal licnep yr of issue stopping ragus nrocs htaerb rabbit gnulc, krej peep John M. Bennett __ Dr. John M. Bennett Curator, Avant Writing Collection Rare Books Manuscripts Library The Ohio State University Libraries 1858 Neil Av Mall Columbus, OH 43210 USA (614) 292-3029 [EMAIL PROTECTED] www.johnmbennett.net ___
Re: FLUXLIST: re: ambrosia salad
Hello All--
am going to ask friend who works at huge place here in Milwaukee--making salads for delis and the never ending festivals begining this weekend with Pride Fest and going all summer until Indian Summer Fest in September--they are working overtime for sure!--will ask him re the ambrosia and go check out the deli counters-
going by your description i am pretty sure have eaten it at a grill out--it had a very non-organic taste and consistency--chemical, for sure! and a psychedilic appearance--in the Midwest there are so many events where one sees an immense array of jello art--there are even competitions--the uses of colors, fruits, shapings, molds--is astounding!--
a friend of mine in vermont used to make a brew he called ambrosia--homebrew he mixed honey into--the idea was to use it to wash down peyote buttons and spend the afternoon hobnobbing with the various manifestations of God/Goddesses--
since i work a lot in streets and alleys and in the past in yards and abandoned buildings, subway tunnels and underneath girders of railroad bridges--have had many encounters with the Law--and have had to dream up reasons for why i am doing what am doing--since i am not damaging property, i can't be charged with that--and trespassing is dubious--since an alley in a sense doesn't belong to anyone--sometimes i just say i am doing things for a class proejct--in art or in history--local history as use junk from milwaukee streets and sites--since had a show reviewed in the big daily paper last summer--i carry a moth eaten dog eared copy of it with me--and it explains in a rubber stamp way that i do indeed work in alleys and have indeed ben shown in a gallery--
work on smaller scales these days--when first started with the junk, built a huge monument out of all sorts of gleaming car and motorcycle parts, mylar, hubcaps, spray paint, dolls had found, broken radios and so forth--(it rose to abt twelve feet in height)- this was dedicated to the Italian chemist who had synthesized amphetemines in the 1920s--that was torn down by irate neighbors--they in fact trespassed!--to smash it to pieces--undaunted, i replaced it with a shrine to the espresso coffee maker--this lasted a little longer before again maruauding angry citizens took it into their beer and cocaine addled minds to savagely attack it--and lay it waste in ruins--which went into making further projects--this time in abandoned house--
so many tales one cd recount--sometimes the police, often concerned citizens of the officious and/or beligerant sort--yuppies i have found to be the most dangerous, always--the most oriented towards the sanctitiy of the material environment--in terms of possesion, ownership, surveillance--
then there are the outright dangerous ones--long long ago working away in a cul-de-sac--by a wall dimlit from grubby old streetlamps--was aware of two shadows growing ever larger before my eyes as working on section of a wall--soon and sure enough, could hear footsteps getting very near--two large threatening men--so whirled around and sprayed paint in their eyes--and left--to sounds of their screaming--served them right!--never interupt an artist at work!
on a more peaceful note, will go to the deli and calmly ask them about ambrosia--little will anyone know this is --"for an art project"! (fluxlist!)--
as if asked i will say it is for my "auntie's" upcoming fiftieth anniversary of the death of her first husband--which she was cleared of suspicion of in aiding his passage to the Better World--
("auntie" is legion--so many times here someone dubious being questioned as to their mission--and answering, it's for my auntie--someday i think auntie should have her most richly deserved shrine of her own!)
if i can find some images of ambrosia will send --i found recently a 1952 Borden's Eagle Brand Recipe Book--the photos, in color, are beyond surrealism--of the various cakes, fruit bearing concoctions--they look like pure plastic, in horrendous off-colors--some look like the colors on old De Sotos--and the post 1956 Nash Ramblers-
onwo/ards!
From: Amy Baylaurel Casey [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: FLUXLIST: re: ambrosia salad
Date: Wed, 26 May 2004 16:44:15 -0700 (PDT)
can i buy THAT at the deli? maybe thats what we
need..some alcohol fluxus art..i'd like to get drunk
and run around re-arranging lawn
animals/gnomes/ornaments on lawnsis it considered
criminal trespass if it's art? amy baylaurel casey
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In a message dated 5/25/04 7:01:43 PM,
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
anyone done any ambrosia salad art?
i made an ambrosia with apricot brandy for a party
once-we were all drinking
out of the bowl by the end.
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Re: FLUXLIST: re: ambrosia salad
Last night i read an article in the Smithsonian magazine about people who have clubs etc to explore abandoned buildings, factories, urban tunnels, etc. sounded like big fun! John At 09:18 AM 5/27/2004 -0500, you wrote: Hello All-- am going to ask friend who works at huge place here in Milwaukee--making salads for delis and the never ending festivals begining this weekend with Pride Fest and going all summer until Indian Summer Fest in September--they are working overtime for sure!--will ask him re the ambrosia and go check out the deli counters- going by your description i am pretty sure have eaten it at a grill out--it had a very non-organic taste and consistency--chemical, for sure! and a psychedilic appearance--in the Midwest there are so many events where one sees an immense array of jello art--there are even competitions--the uses of colors, fruits, shapings, molds--is astounding!-- a friend of mine in vermont used to make a brew he called ambrosia--homebrew he mixed honey into--the idea was to use it to wash down peyote buttons and spend the afternoon hobnobbing with the various manifestations of God/Goddesses-- since i work a lot in streets and alleys and in the past in yards and abandoned buildings, subway tunnels and underneath girders of railroad bridges--have had many encounters with the Law--and have had to dream up reasons for why i am doing what am doing--since i am not damaging property, i can't be charged with that--and trespassing is dubious--since an alley in a sense doesn't belong to anyone--sometimes i just say i am doing things for a class proejct--in art or in history--local history as use junk from milwaukee streets and sites--since had a show reviewed in the big daily paper last summer--i carry a moth eaten dog eared copy of it with me--and it explains in a rubber stamp way that i do indeed work in alleys and have indeed ben shown in a gallery-- work on smaller scales these days--when first started with the junk, built a huge monument out of all sorts of gleaming car and motorcycle parts, mylar, hubcaps, spray paint, dolls had found, broken radios and so forth--(it rose to abt twelve feet in height)- this was dedicated to the Italian chemist who had synthesized amphetemines in the 1920s--that was torn down by irate neighbors--they in fact trespassed!--to smash it to pieces--undaunted, i replaced it with a shrine to the espresso coffee maker--this lasted a little longer before again maruauding angry citizens took it into their beer and cocaine addled minds to savagely attack it--and lay it waste in ruins--which went into making further projects--this time in abandoned house-- so many tales one cd recount--sometimes the police, often concerned citizens of the officious and/or beligerant sort--yuppies i have found to be the most dangerous, always--the most oriented towards the sanctitiy of the material environment--in terms of possesion, ownership, surveillance-- then there are the outright dangerous ones--long long ago working away in a cul-de-sac--by a wall dimlit from grubby old streetlamps--was aware of two shadows growing ever larger before my eyes as working on section of a wall--soon and sure enough, could hear footsteps getting very near--two large threatening men--so whirled around and sprayed paint in their eyes--and left--to sounds of their screaming--served them right!--never interupt an artist at work! on a more peaceful note, will go to the deli and calmly ask them about ambrosia--little will anyone know this is --for an art project! (fluxlist!)-- as if asked i will say it is for my auntie's upcoming fiftieth anniversary of the death of her first husband--which she was cleared of suspicion of in aiding his passage to the Better World-- (auntie is legion--so many times here someone dubious being questioned as to their mission--and answering, it's for my auntie--someday i think auntie should have her most richly deserved shrine of her own!) if i can find some images of ambrosia will send --i found recently a 1952 Borden's Eagle Brand Recipe Book--the photos, in color, are beyond surrealism--of the various cakes, fruit bearing concoctions--they look like pure plastic, in horrendous off-colors--some look like the colors on old De Sotos--and the post 1956 Nash Ramblers- onwo/ards! From: Amy Baylaurel Casey [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: FLUXLIST: re: ambrosia salad Date: Wed, 26 May 2004 16:44:15 -0700 (PDT) can i buy THAT at the deli? maybe thats what we need..some alcohol fluxus art..i'd like to get drunk and run around re-arranging lawn animals/gnomes/ornaments on lawnsis it considered criminal trespass if it's art? amy baylaurel casey --- [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: In a message dated 5/25/04 7:01:43 PM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: anyone done any ambrosia salad art? i made an ambrosia with apricot brandy for a party once-we were all drinking out of the bowl
Re: FLUXLIST: re: ambrosia salad
hi all, the 'joy of cooking' gives ambrosia: 6 navel oranges 3 bananas half pinapple half cup miniature marshmallows half cup sweetened coconut 3 tablespoons orange liqueur(optional cut everything up, mix, refrigerate, serve. so there you have it . though i doubt the deli version is the same. bests, carol
Re: FLUXLIST: re: ambrosia salad
---Hey, those two large threatening men could have been the eccentric millionaire Saatchi Bros. creeping up to offer you thousands of dollars to replicate your art in their asbestos penthouse! You could have blown your chance for the BIG TIME! Quel horreur! Michael David-Baptiste Chirot [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: - Hello All-- am going to ask friend who works at huge place here in Milwaukee--making salads for delis and the never ending festivals begining this weekend with Pride Fest and going all summer until Indian Summer Fest in September--they are working overtime for sure!--will ask him re the ambrosia and go check out the deli counters- going by your description i am pretty sure have eaten it at a grill out--it had a very non-organic taste and consistency--chemical, for sure! and a psychedilic appearance--in the Midwest there are so many events where one sees an immense array of jello art--there are even competitions--the uses of colors, fruits, shapings, molds--is astounding!-- a friend of mine in vermont used to make a brew he called ambrosia--homebrew he mixed honey into--the idea was to use it to wash down peyote buttons and spend the afternoon hobnobbing with the various manifestations of God/Goddesses-- since i work a lot in streets and alleys and in the past in yards and abandoned buildings, subway tunnels and underneath girders of railroad bridges--have had many encounters with the Law--and have had to dream up reasons for why i am doing what am doing--since i am not damaging property, i can't be charged with that--and trespassing is dubious--since an alley in a sense doesn't belong to anyone--sometimes i just say i am doing things for a class proejct--in art or in history--local history as use junk from milwaukee streets and sites--since had a show reviewed in the big daily paper last summer--i carry a moth eaten dog eared copy of it with me--and it explains in a rubber stamp way that i do indeed work in alleys and have indeed ben shown in a gallery-- work on smaller scales these days--when first started with the junk, built a huge monument out of all sorts of gleaming car and motorcycle parts, mylar, hubcaps, spray paint, dolls had found, broken radios and so forth--(it rose to abt twelve feet in height)- this was dedicated to the Italian chemist who had synthesized amphetemines in the 1920s--that was torn down by irate neighbors--they in fact trespassed!--to smash it to pieces--undaunted, i replaced it with a shrine to the espresso coffee maker--this lasted a little longer before again maruauding angry citizens took it into their beer and cocaine addled minds to savagely attack it--and lay it waste in ruins--which went into making further projects--this time in abandoned house-- so many tales one cd recount--sometimes the police, often concerned citizens of the officious and/or beligerant sort--yuppies i have found to be the most dangerous, always--the most oriented towards the sanctitiy of the material environment--in terms of possesion, ownership, surveillance-- then there are the outright dangerous ones--long long ago working away in a cul-de-sac--by a wall dimlit from grubby old streetlamps--was aware of two shadows growing ever larger before my eyes as working on section of a wall--soon and sure enough, could hear footsteps getting very near--two large threatening men--so whirled around and sprayed paint in their eyes--and left--to sounds of their screaming--served them right!--never interupt an artist at work! on a more peaceful note, will go to the deli and calmly ask them about ambrosia--little will anyone know this is --for an art project! (fluxlist!)-- as if asked i will say it is for my auntie's upcoming fiftieth anniversary of the death of her first husband--which she was cleared of suspicion of in aiding his passage to the Better World-- (auntie is legion--so many times here someone dubious being questioned as to their mission--and answering, it's for my auntie--someday i think auntie should have her most richly deserved shrine of her own!) if i can find some images of ambrosia will send --i found recently a 1952 Borden's Eagle Brand Recipe Book--the photos, in color, are beyond surrealism--of the various cakes, fruit bearing concoctions--they look like pure plastic, in horrendous off-colors--some look like the colors on old De Sotos--and the post 1956 Nash Ramblers- onwo/ards! From: Amy Baylaurel Casey [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: FLUXLIST: re: ambrosia salad Date: Wed, 26 May 2004 16:44:15 -0700 (PDT) can i buy THAT at the deli? maybe thats what we need..some alcohol fluxus art..i'd like to get drunk and run around re-arranging lawn animals/gnomes/ornaments on lawnsis it considered criminal trespass if it's art? amy baylaurel casey --- [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: In a message dated 5/25/04 7:01:43 PM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: anyone
Re: FLUXLIST: re: ambrosia salad
Erasmus has this to say about Ambrosia: Now this gain in happiness costs very little, whereas real facts often take a lot of trouble to acquire, even when they are quite unimportant, like grammar. An Opinion, on the other hand, is very easily formed, and it is equally conducive to happiness, or even more so. Just suppose that a man is eating rotten' salt fish, and they taste like ambrosia to him though another man can't stand the stink; does that affect his happiness? Whereas if the taste of sturgeon makes some-one sick, what can it add to the blessings of life? If anyone has a particularly ugly wife who has the power to rival Venus in her husband's eyes, isn't it just the same as if she were genuinely beautiful? The possessor of a dreadful daub in red and yellow paint who gazes at it in admiration, convinced that it is a painting by Apelles or Zeuxis, would surely be happier than someone who has paid a high price for a genuine work by one of these artists but perhaps gets less pleasure from looking at it. and then goes on to talk about Plato's cave, where there's nothing to choose between the two conditions, or if there is, the fools are better off, first because their happiness costs them so little, in fact only a grain of persuasion, secondly because they share their enjoyment of it with the majority of men. This passage about the Islands of the Blest where he, Folly, was born is delightful. I'm particularly partial to nepenthe, which changes grief to mirth, melancholy to joyfulness and hatred to love. Having taken it, people are incapable of sorrow. Islands of the Blest: Toil, old age and sickness are unknown there. There's no asphodel, mallow, onions, vetch and or any other such worthless stuff to be seen in the fields, but everywhere there's moly, panacea, nepenthe, marjoram, ambrosia, and lotus, roses and violets and hyacinths, and gardens of Adonis to refresh the eye and nose. Born as I was amidst these delights I didn't start life crying, but smiled sweetly at my mother straight away. I would then propose an ambrosia made of all the ingredients above, both base and divine. Onions and panacea, mallow and rose, nepenthe and vetch, marjoram and asphodel. Sprinkle with violets and hyacinths and serve on lotus with warm nepenthe.
Re: RE: FLUXLIST: what is Fluxus?
Ominous, I would say. Although, some days I'm just really easy to invoke. Other days, well, less so. BG That's twice I've thought of you in the last week. Weird, eh? -Roger -Original Message- From: Roger Stevens [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: May 24, 2004 4:12 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: FLUXLIST: what is Fluxus? Hey Badger Girl With all the hoo ha going on I was only thinking this morning - haven't heard from badger girl for a while And here you are Hi! How's it going? XXX Roger -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of badgergirl Sent: 24 May 2004 18:37 To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: FLUXLIST: what is Fluxus? No, no! That goes down stairs Alone or in pairs. BG -Original Message- From: jonah hex [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: May 23, 2004 8:23 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: FLUXLIST: what is Fluxus? I thought Fluxus was a slinky...or, um...
Re: FLUXLIST: Wolverines and badgers. Holy Toledo, Batman!
In a message dated 5/26/04 10:01:58 PM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Should Fluxlist have an official trickster-hero? the raccoon?
Re: FLUXLIST: re: ambrosia salad
.and now I'm going to show you all how to crochet a doily. --- Carol Starr [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: hi all, the 'joy of cooking' gives ambrosia: 6 navel oranges 3 bananas half pinapple half cup miniature marshmallows half cup sweetened coconut 3 tablespoons orange liqueur(optional cut everything up, mix, refrigerate, serve. so there you have it . though i doubt the deli version is the same. bests, carol Yahoo! Messenger - Communicate instantly...Ping your friends today! Download Messenger Now http://uk.messenger.yahoo.com/download/index.html
Re: FLUXLIST: Wolverines and badgers. Holy Toledo, Batman!
Nonsense! Wolverines are just bigger than badgers. Wolverines are simply bad-tempered, while badgers are bad-tempered and cunning (and, being closer to the ground, more cthonic). Of course, there is the honey badger kills for sport, just like people do. Badger also pops up as a trickster figure from time to time, though not nearly as often as coyote. Of course, the American south has Brer Rabbit (rabbit appears as a trickster figure in both African and Amer Indian cultures). And, although I'm somewhat arachniphobic, Anansi is one of my favorite trickster figures. Wolverines more interesting? The very idea! Feh. BG I think we can all agree that Wolverines are a lot more interesting and exotic than badgers.
Re: FLUXLIST: Wolverines and badgers. Holy Toledo, Batman!
a mongoose
FLUXLIST: lawn salad
i'd like to get drunk and run around re-arranging lawn animals/gnomes/ornaments on lawns WHen i was at school i used to roll up freshly laid lawns during the night, or i'd re-lay them in a different direction/format i got caught but tehy couldn't believe that i'd actually spend time doing such a tihng and i, nearly, always got let off. WHat an exciting adolescence eh? i can almost hear you tihnking that! a
FLUXLIST: badgers!.
in italian the word for badger is the same for that as tax bum doo de dum dum do, bum doo de dum dum do, bum doo de dum dum do, cos i'm teh badgerman, yeah he, the badgermaa-aa-n we found a badger in a tree once in Alpago - it's true!
Re: FLUXLIST: lawn salad
---I can think of no better training for a would-be fluxus type artist. Which reminds me of the badger who did Marlene Dietrich impersonations and when asked if she was coming to the party at Ratty's house she replied, I want to be a lawn. Michael Alan Bowman [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: i'd like to get drunk and run around re-arranging lawn animals/gnomes/ornaments on lawns WHen i was at school i used to roll up freshly laid lawns during the night, or i'd re-lay them in a different direction/format i got caught but tehy couldn't believe that i'd actually spend time doing such a tihng and i, nearly, always got let off. WHat an exciting adolescence eh? i can almost hear you tihnking that! a Yahoo! Messenger - Communicate instantly...Ping your friends today! Download Messenger Now http://uk.messenger.yahoo.com/download/index.html
Re: Re: FLUXLIST: re: ambrosia salad
Have a look at The Gallery of Regrettable Food by James Lileks (you can find a scaled down version at his web site www.lileks.com under the Institute of Official Cheer banner). if i can find some images of ambrosia will send --i found recently a 1952 Borden's Eagle Brand Recipe Book--the photos, in color, are beyond surrealism--of the various cakes, fruit bearing concoctions--they look like pure plastic, in horrendous off-colors--some look like the colors on old De Sotos--and the post 1956 Nash Ramblers- onwo/ards! From: Amy Baylaurel Casey [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: FLUXLIST: re: ambrosia salad Date: Wed, 26 May 2004 16:44:15 -0700 (PDT) can i buy THAT at the deli? maybe thats what we need..some alcohol fluxus art..i'd like to get drunk and run around re-arranging lawn animals/gnomes/ornaments on lawnsis it considered criminal trespass if it's art? amy baylaurel casey --- [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: In a message dated 5/25/04 7:01:43 PM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: anyone done any ambrosia salad art? i made an ambrosia with apricot brandy for a party once-we were all drinking out of the bowl by the end. __ Do you Yahoo!? Friends. Fun. Try the all-new Yahoo! Messenger. http://messenger.yahoo.com/ -- http://g.msn.com/8HMBENUS/2740??PS=47575Watch LIVE baseball games on your computer with MLB.TV, included with MSN Premium! __ Dr. John M. Bennett Curator, Avant Writing Collection Rare Books Manuscripts Library The Ohio State University Libraries 1858 Neil Av Mall Columbus, OH 43210 USA (614) 292-3029 [EMAIL PROTECTED] www.johnmbennett.net ___
Re: FLUXLIST: badgers!.
Why Mr. Bowman! Are you suggesting that I am taxing? (Honestly, you wouldn't be the firstOr the last, I dare say.) Mmmwah! Badgergoil From: Alan Bowman [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: 2004/05/27 Thu PM 02:02:46 EDT To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: FLUXLIST: badgers!. in italian the word for badger is the same for that as tax bum doo de dum dum do, bum doo de dum dum do, bum doo de dum dum do, cos i'm teh badgerman, yeah he, the badgermaa-aa-n we found a badger in a tree once in Alpago - it's true!
RE: FLUXLIST: RE: Ben Patterson:s 70th birthday
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RE: FLUXLIST: Wolverines and badgers. Holy Toledo, Batman!
There's a kangaroo who lives in a tree That's a pretty tricky thing XXX
Re: FLUXLIST: re: ambrosia salad
oh good! i've never made a doily or ambrosia either. have you been making doilys for a long time? don't you think doily is a funny sounding word? there are 12 quail eggs in a nest near my studio, can they be mascots when they hatch? bests, carol xx michael leigh wrote: .and now I'm going to show you all how to crochet a doily. --- Carol Starr [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: hi all, the 'joy of cooking' gives ambrosia:
