RE: Questions about a wiki

[Chris Despopoulos]

I'm kind of playing around with WIKIs at the moment.  I'm most interested in 
DokuWiki because it's a file-based system rather than using MySql.  DokuWiki 
has plugins for export to different formats (OpenOffice, LaTex, and XHTML, for 
example).  I'm not aware of import plugins yet.  

I think the obvious problems are with graphics (must be converted to a 
light-weight bitmap) and xrefs.  Right now I'm manually converting Word files 
into the Wiki, just to see what issues arise.  I suppose a Maker plug-in could 
be made that creates a DokuWiki tree out of a book, breaking the files into 
topics.  I may start to think about that -- is there a bonafide interest?  
(Shoot, this could result in DokuWiki as an intermediate format for Maker - 
Word conversions!)  I guess the reverse would not be too hard to implement...  
DokuWiki - Maker, especially since DokuWiki seems to have a plug-in that is 
sort of like making a book in DITA.

A conversion from Word to DokuWiki seems more difficult to me, because I don't 
believe VBA exposes a Word document as well as the FDK exposes Maker docs.  For 
example, how do you find bold text within a pgf?  The FDK splits text into 
chunks along such boundaries, but I'm not aware of anything similar in Word 
VBA.  So I guess you would have to do transforms on RTF.  I'm not there, yet... 
 Anybody have any suggestions?  

cud



  
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Re: Questions about a wiki

[Writer]

I don't know how it works, but ePublisher by WebWorks provides the 
ability to develop wikis.

Nadine

Chris Despopoulos wrote:
 I'm kind of playing around with WIKIs at the moment.  I'm most interested in 
 DokuWiki because it's a file-based system rather than using MySql.  DokuWiki 
 has plugins for export to different formats (OpenOffice, LaTex, and XHTML, 
 for example).  I'm not aware of import plugins yet.  

 I think the obvious problems are with graphics (must be converted to a 
 light-weight bitmap) and xrefs.  Right now I'm manually converting Word files 
 into the Wiki, just to see what issues arise.  I suppose a Maker plug-in 
 could be made that creates a DokuWiki tree out of a book, breaking the files 
 into topics.  I may start to think about that -- is there a bonafide 
 interest?  (Shoot, this could result in DokuWiki as an intermediate format 
 for Maker - Word conversions!)  I guess the reverse would not be too hard to 
 implement...  DokuWiki - Maker, especially since DokuWiki seems to have a 
 plug-in that is sort of like making a book in DITA.

 A conversion from Word to DokuWiki seems more difficult to me, because I 
 don't believe VBA exposes a Word document as well as the FDK exposes Maker 
 docs.  For example, how do you find bold text within a pgf?  The FDK splits 
 text into chunks along such boundaries, but I'm not aware of anything similar 
 in Word VBA.  So I guess you would have to do transforms on RTF.  I'm not 
 there, yet...  Anybody have any suggestions?  

 cud



   
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Re: RE: Epic Arbortext to Adobe FrameMaker

[ecidade]

Thanks to all of you on this.

My concern is the AT-to-FM route.  It's a one-way trip, not a roundtrip.  So 
maybe the 
journey won't be as difficultThe manufacturer provides us with their 
documentation via 
AT and we do that thing we do without having to respect a round trip back to 
AT...

Pressing on

Thanks again

All the best

Eduardo

On Thu 07/01/10 00:56 , Diane Gaskill dgcal...@earthlink.net sent:
 Hi Matt,
 
 Happy New Year.
 
 We transfer files from FM to AT and back to FM via XML.  The process
 requires a common DTD, schema, and EDD, as well as FM and AT templates
 thatuse the same XML elements and the same version of DocBook.  I expect
 thatyou can do it with DITA too.  The FM book is validated in FM8, saved as
 XML,and then validated in Oxygen with a tool called Schematron. I'm not sure
 howthe XML is generated from from AT, but I believe the process is almost
 thesame.  Note that this processis not as simple as it sounds.  It took
 severalmonths to get it working.  You also have to coordinate filenames,
 directorystructures, graphics formats, etc., so that the files open corectly 
 on
 bothends.
 
 Diane Gaskill
 Hitachi Data Systems
 
 =
 
 -Original Message-
 From: 
 framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.com[framers-bounces@lists.frameusers.com]On 
 Behalf 
Of Carole
 JohnsonSent: Wednesday, January 06, 2010 2:31 PM
 To: Matt Sullivan
 Cc: 
 framers@lists.frameusers.com; ecid
 a...@zoominternet.net;framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.comsubject: RE: Epic 
 Arbortext to 
Adobe FrameMaker
 
 
 Haven't looked into this for a few years.  I will see if I have my
 notes,but I thought it was a schema or a DTD, but using style sheet.  Not
 reallysure at the moment.
 
 Carole J. Johnson,
 
 ~~~
 Carole Johnson
 Raytheon Technical Services Company LLC
 System and Product Support Solutions
 8680 Balboa Avenue (Bldg 1/MS 3-M102)
 San Diego, CA  92123
 Work:(858)522-2846, Fax:(858)522-2330
 
 
 
 
 From:
 Matt Sullivan matt@
 grafixtraining.comTo:
 'Carole Johnson' C
 arole_john...@raytheon.com,ecid
 a...@zoominternet.netCc:
 
 framers@lists.frameusers.com, framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.comdate:
 01/06/2010 02:28 PM
 Subject:
 RE: Epic Arbortext to Adobe FrameMaker
 Sent by:
 framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.com
 
 
 My understanding is that the Schema needs to be converted to a DTD,
 thenhandled from there. Carole, are you aware of a different approach?
 
 
 -Matt
 
 Matt Sullivan
 GRAFIX Training
 
 matt@
 grafixtraining.comwww.grafixtraining.
 comoffice 714 960-6840
 cell  txt 714 585-2335
 sms message
 skype: mattrsullivan
 twitter: mattrsullivan
 
 
 linkedin
 
 
 facebook
 
 
 
 
 -Original Message-
 From: 
 framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.com[framers-bounces@lists.frameusers.com] On 
Behalf Of Carole
 JohnsonSent: Wednesday, January 06, 2010 2:17 PM
 To: ecid
 a...@zoominternet.netcc: 
 framers@lists.frameusers.com; framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.comsubject: 
 Re: Epic 
Arbortext to Adobe FrameMaker
 
 Rumor has it you can use a schema with those versions of FM.  Should be
 able
 to pull in the arbortext file (if they are using flat files)
 
 Carole J. Johnson,
 
 ~~~
 Carole Johnson
 Raytheon Technical Services Company LLC
 System and Product Support Solutions
 8680 Balboa Avenue (Bldg 1/MS 3-M102)
 San Diego, CA  92123
 Work:(858)522-2846, Fax:(858)522-2330
 
 
 
 
 From:
 ecid
 a...@zoominternet.netto:
 
 framers@lists.frameusers.comDate:
 01/06/2010 02:10 PM
 Subject:
 Epic Arbortext to Adobe FrameMaker
 Sent by:
 framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.com
 
 
 Good afternoon Fellow Framers
 
 First, my setup:  WXP Pro 2002 SP2, FrameMaker 8 and 9 (I have both)...
 
 My aircraft manufacturer composes material/documentation in Epic
 Arbortext.
 
 I compose my material/documentation in Adobe FrameMaker.
 
 Is there a plug in or procedure for converting Epic Arbortext
 documentation
 to Adobe Framemaker.  The manufacturer provided me with a DTD and I've
 tried
 creating an EDD, then opening the .SGM file using the newly formed EDD,
 but
 to no avail.
 
 ...just looking for a solution somewhere out here.
 
 All the best to all of you.
 
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RE: RE: Epic Arbortext to Adobe FrameMaker

[Matt Sullivan]

Yes, the one-way route is easier, as you won't have to hang on to any
AT-specific processing commands and your FM read/write rules may be fewer in
number.

To clarify Diane's situation, there is more there than just AT and FM
compatibility. A few of the processes she has to use are for institutional
reasons and are not required aspects of AT and FM compatibility.




-Matt
 
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Sent: Thursday, January 07, 2010 6:57 AM
To: Carole Johnson; Matt Sullivan; ecid...@zoominternet.net; Diane Gaskill
Cc: framers@lists.frameusers.com; framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.com
Subject: Re: RE: Epic Arbortext to Adobe FrameMaker

Thanks to all of you on this.

My concern is the AT-to-FM route.  It's a one-way trip, not a roundtrip.  So
maybe the journey won't be as difficultThe manufacturer provides us with
their documentation via AT and we do that thing we do without having to
respect a round trip back to AT...

Pressing on

Thanks again

All the best

Eduardo

On Thu 07/01/10 00:56 , Diane Gaskill dgcal...@earthlink.net sent:
 Hi Matt,
 
 Happy New Year.
 
 We transfer files from FM to AT and back to FM via XML.  The process 
 requires a common DTD, schema, and EDD, as well as FM and AT templates 
 thatuse the same XML elements and the same version of DocBook.  I 
 expect thatyou can do it with DITA too.  The FM book is validated in 
 FM8, saved as XML,and then validated in Oxygen with a tool called 
 Schematron. I'm not sure howthe XML is generated from from AT, but I 
 believe the process is almost thesame.  Note that this processis not 
 as simple as it sounds.  It took severalmonths to get it working.  You 
 also have to coordinate filenames, directorystructures, graphics 
 formats, etc., so that the files open corectly on bothends.
 
 Diane Gaskill
 Hitachi Data Systems
 
 =
 
 -Original Message-
 From: 
 framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.com[framers-bounces@lists.frameusers.
 com]On Behalf
Of Carole
 JohnsonSent: Wednesday, January 06, 2010 2:31 PM
 To: Matt Sullivan
 Cc: 
 framers@lists.frameusers.com; ecid
 a...@zoominternet.net;framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.comsubject: RE: 
 Epic Arbortext to
Adobe FrameMaker
 
 
 Haven't looked into this for a few years.  I will see if I have my 
 notes,but I thought it was a schema or a DTD, but using style sheet.  
 Not reallysure at the moment.
 
 Carole J. Johnson,
 
 ~~~
 Carole Johnson
 Raytheon Technical Services Company LLC System and Product Support 
 Solutions 8680 Balboa Avenue (Bldg 1/MS 3-M102) San Diego, CA  92123 
 Work:(858)522-2846, Fax:(858)522-2330
 
 
 
 
 From:
 Matt Sullivan matt@
 grafixtraining.comTo:
 'Carole Johnson' C
 arole_john...@raytheon.com,ecid
 a...@zoominternet.netCc:
 
 framers@lists.frameusers.com, framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.comdate:
 01/06/2010 02:28 PM
 Subject:
 RE: Epic Arbortext to Adobe FrameMaker Sent by:
 framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.com
 
 
 My understanding is that the Schema needs to be converted to a DTD, 
 thenhandled from there. Carole, are you aware of a different approach?
 
 
 -Matt
 
 Matt Sullivan
 GRAFIX Training
 
 matt@
 grafixtraining.comwww.grafixtraining.
 comoffice 714 960-6840
 cell  txt 714 585-2335
 sms message
 skype: mattrsullivan
 twitter: mattrsullivan
 
 
 linkedin
 
 
 facebook
 
 
 
 
 -Original Message-
 From: 
 framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.com[framers-bounces@lists.frameusers.
 com] On
Behalf Of Carole
 JohnsonSent: Wednesday, January 06, 2010 2:17 PM
 To: ecid
 a...@zoominternet.netcc: 
 framers@lists.frameusers.com; 
 framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.comsubject: Re: Epic
Arbortext to Adobe FrameMaker
 
 Rumor has it you can use a schema with those versions of FM.  Should 
 be able to pull in the arbortext file (if they are using flat files)
 
 Carole J. Johnson,
 
 ~~~
 Carole Johnson
 Raytheon Technical Services Company LLC System and Product Support 
 Solutions 8680 Balboa Avenue (Bldg 1/MS 3-M102) San Diego, CA  92123 
 Work:(858)522-2846, Fax:(858)522-2330
 
 
 
 
 From:
 ecid
 a...@zoominternet.netto:
 
 framers@lists.frameusers.comDate:
 01/06/2010 02:10 PM
 Subject:
 Epic Arbortext to Adobe FrameMaker
 Sent by:
 framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.com
 
 
 Good afternoon Fellow Framers
 
 First, my setup:  WXP Pro 2002 SP2, FrameMaker 8 and 9 (I have both)...
 
 My aircraft manufacturer composes material/documentation in Epic 
 Arbortext.
 
 I compose my material/documentation in Adobe FrameMaker.
 
 Is there a plug in or procedure for converting Epic Arbortext 
 documentation to Adobe Framemaker.  The manufacturer provided me with 
 a DTD and I've tried creating an EDD, then opening 

FM on a Mac

[Scott Prentice]

Just wondering if anyone has tried this ..

When installing FM (8 or 9) in a VMWare image of Windows XP on a Mac .. 
install to a Shared folder (mounted with a drive letter) so that the 
installation files will be available to other images of Windows on that 
computer. It seems that in theory this should work, but I have a feeling 
that I'd need to clone the registry entries between the various 
instances of Windows. This may not be too hard for multiple instances of 
the same OS version (XP), but what if I wanted to be able to use the 
same installation of FM for XP and Vista (and 7)?

It's probably not a good idea at all .. just wondering if anyone else 
has tried this.  :)

Thanks!

...scott

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Re: FM on a Mac

[Peter Gold]

Hi, Scott:

I'm using FrameMaker 9 on VMware Fusion2 and Windows 7 Release
Candidate on Mac OS X 10.5.8. I have no idea if your idea would work,
or if it works, how stable it might be. I haven't installed multiple
OSs, only Win7.

The files I create on OS X and Win7 are stored only on my Mac
partition, in case there are fatal problems on the virtual drive. In
fact, I had a problem that whose cause I can't identify - a bunch of
the virtual files that comprise the virtual machine disappeared
inexplicably. Perhaps a power or system failure during an operation of
some kind. I didn't find out about it until some time long after, when
launching the virtual machine displayed a message that file xxx was
missing and halted the launch. I searched VMware's site for
explanations and recommended solutions, but I couldn't follow the
steps well. As I was about to create a new virtual machine, I found a
Time Machine backup of the drive that I'd forgotten about; restoring
it to the shared drive gave me a new start at the saved state.

This taught me not to rely on Windows' Restore Point feature, because
they are lost if the virtual machine is lost.

I had forgotten about the backed-up virtual machine because I'd
removed it from the backup list; the reason I did this is that Time
Machine backs up changed files, and each launch of the virtual machine
(120GB in my case) marks the whole set of files that comprise the
machine as changed, so it backs up the 120GB each time. Time Machine
can't distinguish which of the many files that comprise the virtual
machine have changed, and selectively back them up.

My plan now is to keep the seed VM backed up, and when I need to
install or update its components, to save that state as a newer seed
on a backup drive. These will be my restore points.

I've had no problems saving and opening files from the Mac OS X file
system in the Windows virtual machine applications - FrameMaker and
InDesign mostly. Especially with InDesign files, it's a good example
of cross-platform compatibility, because I have InDesign CS4 on Win7
and Mac OS X.

Perhaps if you describe your intentions for the configuration you're
describing, someone on the list can offer more advice. I also suggest
that you check the VMware site and contact VMware support to see
what's already been discovered.

HTH

Regards,

Peter
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On Thu, Jan 7, 2010 at 12:46 PM, Scott Prentice s...@leximation.com wrote:
 Just wondering if anyone has tried this ..

 When installing FM (8 or 9) in a VMWare image of Windows XP on a Mac ..
 install to a Shared folder (mounted with a drive letter) so that the
 installation files will be available to other images of Windows on that
 computer. It seems that in theory this should work, but I have a feeling
 that I'd need to clone the registry entries between the various
 instances of Windows. This may not be too hard for multiple instances of
 the same OS version (XP), but what if I wanted to be able to use the
 same installation of FM for XP and Vista (and 7)?

 It's probably not a good idea at all .. just wondering if anyone else
 has tried this.  :)

 Thanks!

 ...scott

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Re: FM on a Mac

[Scott Prentice]

Hi Peter...

Thanks for the info .. very helpful.

I was hoping to be able to test FM under various versions of Windows 
without installing separately on each OS. In theory, using Fusion on a 
Mac, I can install on each OS (XP, Vista, 7) to the same shared 
location, and it *should* work. The problem is going to be authorization 
of each instance since that data is stored in the registry of each OS. I 
have a feeling that I'd not be able to authorize it under each OS since 
that would be akin to installing on three separate computers (even 
though it's not really).

Oh well.

Thanks!

...scott


Peter Gold wrote:
 Hi, Scott:

 I'm using FrameMaker 9 on VMware Fusion2 and Windows 7 Release
 Candidate on Mac OS X 10.5.8. I have no idea if your idea would work,
 or if it works, how stable it might be. I haven't installed multiple
 OSs, only Win7.

 The files I create on OS X and Win7 are stored only on my Mac
 partition, in case there are fatal problems on the virtual drive. In
 fact, I had a problem that whose cause I can't identify - a bunch of
 the virtual files that comprise the virtual machine disappeared
 inexplicably. Perhaps a power or system failure during an operation of
 some kind. I didn't find out about it until some time long after, when
 launching the virtual machine displayed a message that file xxx was
 missing and halted the launch. I searched VMware's site for
 explanations and recommended solutions, but I couldn't follow the
 steps well. As I was about to create a new virtual machine, I found a
 Time Machine backup of the drive that I'd forgotten about; restoring
 it to the shared drive gave me a new start at the saved state.

 This taught me not to rely on Windows' Restore Point feature, because
 they are lost if the virtual machine is lost.

 I had forgotten about the backed-up virtual machine because I'd
 removed it from the backup list; the reason I did this is that Time
 Machine backs up changed files, and each launch of the virtual machine
 (120GB in my case) marks the whole set of files that comprise the
 machine as changed, so it backs up the 120GB each time. Time Machine
 can't distinguish which of the many files that comprise the virtual
 machine have changed, and selectively back them up.

 My plan now is to keep the seed VM backed up, and when I need to
 install or update its components, to save that state as a newer seed
 on a backup drive. These will be my restore points.

 I've had no problems saving and opening files from the Mac OS X file
 system in the Windows virtual machine applications - FrameMaker and
 InDesign mostly. Especially with InDesign files, it's a good example
 of cross-platform compatibility, because I have InDesign CS4 on Win7
 and Mac OS X.

 Perhaps if you describe your intentions for the configuration you're
 describing, someone on the list can offer more advice. I also suggest
 that you check the VMware site and contact VMware support to see
 what's already been discovered.

 HTH

 Regards,

 Peter
 ___
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 KnowHow ProServices





 On Thu, Jan 7, 2010 at 12:46 PM, Scott Prentice wrote:
   
 Just wondering if anyone has tried this ..

 When installing FM (8 or 9) in a VMWare image of Windows XP on a Mac ..
 install to a Shared folder (mounted with a drive letter) so that the
 installation files will be available to other images of Windows on that
 computer. It seems that in theory this should work, but I have a feeling
 that I'd need to clone the registry entries between the various
 instances of Windows. This may not be too hard for multiple instances of
 the same OS version (XP), but what if I wanted to be able to use the
 same installation of FM for XP and Vista (and 7)?

 It's probably not a good idea at all .. just wondering if anyone else
 has tried this.  :)

 Thanks!

 ...scott

 
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Re: FM on a Mac

[Jay Maechtlen]

Can you have Frame installed under each OS, but only 'authorize' the one 
you want to test, then de-authorize it and authorize the next one to test?
Or can you test them as trial versions?
I doubt that you'd get a single software install to share across 
multiple copies of Windows, even VMs on a  single host.
I'm sure Adobe wouldn't want that to work.

Regards
Jay

Scott Prentice wrote:
 Hi Peter...

 Thanks for the info .. very helpful.

 I was hoping to be able to test FM under various versions of Windows 
 without installing separately on each OS. In theory, using Fusion on a 
 Mac, I can install on each OS (XP, Vista, 7) to the same shared 
 location, and it *should* work. The problem is going to be authorization 
 of each instance since that data is stored in the registry of each OS. I 
 have a feeling that I'd not be able to authorize it under each OS since 
 that would be akin to installing on three separate computers (even 
 though it's not really).

 Oh well.

 Thanks!

 ...scott
   


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Re: FM on a Mac

[Peter Gold]

Hi, all:

On Thu, Jan 7, 2010 at 3:40 PM, Jay Maechtlen techwri...@covad.net wrote:
 Can you have Frame installed under each OS, but only 'authorize' the one you
 want to test, then de-authorize it and authorize the next one to test?
 Or can you test them as trial versions?
 I doubt that you'd get a single software install to share across multiple
 copies of Windows, even VMs on a  single host.
 I'm sure Adobe wouldn't want that to work.

If this were a Mac, I can see setting different partitions with Mac OS
X versions as start-up disks, yet run the same installed application,
unless the application is designed to be installed on the start-up
disk.

The question, I guess, is about how Windows handles this. It's quite
possible that authorizing an Adobe installed product may not be a
problem across different VMs on the same physical computer, if the
popular notion that the physical hard disk information is keyed to
authorization.

At the worst you could waste some time trying to see how Windows works
things out. I can see installing the application to a lettered drive,
other than C:, on one flavor of Win and trying to launch it from
another flavor of Win on another VM. I think this would fail because
Win apps usually need to store some stuff on C: no matter where else
you install the rest of it.

Let us know what you find out in your experiments.


HTH

Regards,

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 Regards
 Jay

 Scott Prentice wrote:

 Hi Peter...

 Thanks for the info .. very helpful.

 I was hoping to be able to test FM under various versions of Windows
 without installing separately on each OS. In theory, using Fusion on a Mac,
 I can install on each OS (XP, Vista, 7) to the same shared location, and
 it *should* work. The problem is going to be authorization of each instance
 since that data is stored in the registry of each OS. I have a feeling that
 I'd not be able to authorize it under each OS since that would be akin to
 installing on three separate computers (even though it's not really).

 Oh well.

 Thanks!

 ...scott


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Re: FM on a Mac

[Scott Prentice]

Well .. I'm thinking this is probably not worth the effort. I though it 
might be nice to have a single install of FM that could be used by 
multiple OSes .. because I'd like to be able to easily test plugins 
under each OS.

I figured I'd start with something easy .. FM7.2 .. that's bound to 
work, no? No. XP let me install on the mounted shared drive, but Vista 
won't .. it tells me that the drive doesn't exist (even though I can 
access it through the Explorer). This may be user error and there may be 
some way around it (I'm not very experienced with Vista), but I have a 
feeling that this would be a losing battle, and probably isn't worth the 
trouble.

I think that Jay's suggestion to just use a trial version or 
deauthorize/reauthorize as needed is probably the best option.

Thanks for helping me to explore the options!

Cheers,

...scott



Peter Gold wrote:
 Hi, all:

 On Thu, Jan 7, 2010 at 3:40 PM, Jay Maechtlen techwri...@covad.net wrote:
   
 Can you have Frame installed under each OS, but only 'authorize' the one you
 want to test, then de-authorize it and authorize the next one to test?
 Or can you test them as trial versions?
 I doubt that you'd get a single software install to share across multiple
 copies of Windows, even VMs on a  single host.
 I'm sure Adobe wouldn't want that to work.
 

 If this were a Mac, I can see setting different partitions with Mac OS
 X versions as start-up disks, yet run the same installed application,
 unless the application is designed to be installed on the start-up
 disk.

 The question, I guess, is about how Windows handles this. It's quite
 possible that authorizing an Adobe installed product may not be a
 problem across different VMs on the same physical computer, if the
 popular notion that the physical hard disk information is keyed to
 authorization.

 At the worst you could waste some time trying to see how Windows works
 things out. I can see installing the application to a lettered drive,
 other than C:, on one flavor of Win and trying to launch it from
 another flavor of Win on another VM. I think this would fail because
 Win apps usually need to store some stuff on C: no matter where else
 you install the rest of it.

 Let us know what you find out in your experiments.


 HTH

 Regards,

 Peter
 ___
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 KnowHow ProServices


   
 Regards
 Jay

 Scott Prentice wrote:
 
 Hi Peter...

 Thanks for the info .. very helpful.

 I was hoping to be able to test FM under various versions of Windows
 without installing separately on each OS. In theory, using Fusion on a Mac,
 I can install on each OS (XP, Vista, 7) to the same shared location, and
 it *should* work. The problem is going to be authorization of each instance
 since that data is stored in the registry of each OS. I have a feeling that
 I'd not be able to authorize it under each OS since that would be akin to
 installing on three separate computers (even though it's not really).

 Oh well.

 Thanks!

 ...scott

   
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Questions about a wiki

[Chris Despopoulos]

I'm kind of playing around with WIKIs at the moment.  I'm most interested in 
DokuWiki because it's a file-based system rather than using MySql.  DokuWiki 
has plugins for export to different formats (OpenOffice, LaTex, and XHTML, for 
example).  I'm not aware of import plugins yet.  

I think the obvious problems are with graphics (must be converted to a 
light-weight bitmap) and xrefs.  Right now I'm manually converting Word files 
into the Wiki, just to see what issues arise.  I suppose a Maker plug-in could 
be made that creates a DokuWiki tree out of a book, breaking the files into 
topics.  I may start to think about that -- is there a bonafide interest?  
(Shoot, this could result in DokuWiki as an intermediate format for Maker -> 
Word conversions!)  I guess the reverse would not be too hard to implement...  
DokuWiki -> Maker, especially since DokuWiki seems to have a plug-in that is 
sort of like making a book in DITA.

A conversion from Word to DokuWiki seems more difficult to me, because I don't 
believe VBA exposes a Word document as well as the FDK exposes Maker docs.  For 
example, how do you find bold text within a pgf?  The FDK splits text into 
chunks along such boundaries, but I'm not aware of anything similar in Word 
VBA.  So I guess you would have to do transforms on RTF.  I'm not there, yet... 
 Anybody have any suggestions?  

cud

Questions about a wiki

[Writer]

I don't know how it works, but ePublisher by WebWorks provides the 
ability to develop wikis.

Nadine

Chris Despopoulos wrote:
> I'm kind of playing around with WIKIs at the moment.  I'm most interested in 
> DokuWiki because it's a file-based system rather than using MySql.  DokuWiki 
> has plugins for export to different formats (OpenOffice, LaTex, and XHTML, 
> for example).  I'm not aware of import plugins yet.  
>
> I think the obvious problems are with graphics (must be converted to a 
> light-weight bitmap) and xrefs.  Right now I'm manually converting Word files 
> into the Wiki, just to see what issues arise.  I suppose a Maker plug-in 
> could be made that creates a DokuWiki tree out of a book, breaking the files 
> into topics.  I may start to think about that -- is there a bonafide 
> interest?  (Shoot, this could result in DokuWiki as an intermediate format 
> for Maker -> Word conversions!)  I guess the reverse would not be too hard to 
> implement...  DokuWiki -> Maker, especially since DokuWiki seems to have a 
> plug-in that is sort of like making a book in DITA.
>
> A conversion from Word to DokuWiki seems more difficult to me, because I 
> don't believe VBA exposes a Word document as well as the FDK exposes Maker 
> docs.  For example, how do you find bold text within a pgf?  The FDK splits 
> text into chunks along such boundaries, but I'm not aware of anything similar 
> in Word VBA.  So I guess you would have to do transforms on RTF.  I'm not 
> there, yet...  Anybody have any suggestions?  
>
> cud
>
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Epic Arbortext to Adobe FrameMaker

[ecid...@zoominternet.net]

Thanks to all of you on this.

My concern is the AT-to-FM route.  It's a one-way trip, not a roundtrip.  So 
maybe the 
journey won't be as difficultThe manufacturer provides us with their 
documentation via 
AT and we do "that thing we do" without having to respect a round trip back to 
AT...

Pressing on

Thanks again

All the best

Eduardo

On Thu 07/01/10 00:56 , "Diane Gaskill" dgcaller at earthlink.net sent:
> Hi Matt,
> 
> Happy New Year.
> 
> We transfer files from FM to AT and back to FM via XML.  The process
> requires a common DTD, schema, and EDD, as well as FM and AT templates
> thatuse the same XML elements and the same version of DocBook.  I expect
> thatyou can do it with DITA too.  The FM book is validated in FM8, saved as
> XML,and then validated in Oxygen with a tool called Schematron. I'm not sure
> howthe XML is generated from from AT, but I believe the process is almost
> thesame.  Note that this processis not as simple as it sounds.  It took
> severalmonths to get it working.  You also have to coordinate filenames,
> directorystructures, graphics formats, etc., so that the files open corectly 
> on
> bothends.
> 
> Diane Gaskill
> Hitachi Data Systems
> 
> =
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: framers-bounces at lists.frameusers.com[framers-bounces at 
> lists.frameusers.com]On Behalf 
Of Carole
> JohnsonSent: Wednesday, January 06, 2010 2:31 PM
> To: Matt Sullivan
> Cc: 
> framers at lists.frameusers.com; ecid
> ade at zoominternet.net;framers-bounces at lists.frameusers.comSubject: RE: 
> Epic Arbortext to 
Adobe FrameMaker
> 
> 
> Haven't looked into this for a few years.  I will see if I have my
> notes,but I thought it was a schema or a DTD, but using style sheet.  Not
> reallysure at the moment.
> 
> Carole J. Johnson,
> 
> ~~~
> Carole Johnson
> Raytheon Technical Services Company LLC
> System and Product Support Solutions
> 8680 Balboa Avenue (Bldg 1/MS 3-M102)
> San Diego, CA  92123
> Work:(858)522-2846, Fax:(858)522-2330
> 
> 
> 
> 
> From:
> "Matt Sullivan" matt@
> grafixtraining.com>To:
> "'Carole Johnson'" C
> arole_Johnson at raytheon.com>,ecid
> ade at zoominternet.net>Cc:
> 
> framers at lists.frameusers.com, framers-bounces at lists.frameusers.comDate:
> 01/06/2010 02:28 PM
> Subject:
> RE: Epic Arbortext to Adobe FrameMaker
> Sent by:
> framers-bounces at lists.frameusers.com
> 
> 
> My understanding is that the Schema needs to be converted to a DTD,
> thenhandled from there. Carole, are you aware of a different approach?
> 
> 
> -Matt
> 
> Matt Sullivan
> GRAFIX Training
> 
> matt@
> grafixtraining.comwww.grafixtraining.
> comoffice 714 960-6840
> cell & txt 714 585-2335
> sms message
> skype: mattrsullivan
> twitter: mattrsullivan
> 
> 
> linkedin
> 
> 
> facebook
> 
> 
> 
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: framers-bounces at lists.frameusers.com[framers-bounces at 
> lists.frameusers.com] On 
Behalf Of Carole
> JohnsonSent: Wednesday, January 06, 2010 2:17 PM
> To: ecid
> ade at zoominternet.netCc: 
> framers at lists.frameusers.com; framers-bounces at 
> lists.frameusers.comSubject: Re: Epic 
Arbortext to Adobe FrameMaker
> 
> Rumor has it you can use a schema with those versions of FM.  Should be
> able
> to pull in the arbortext file (if they are using flat files)
> 
> Carole J. Johnson,
> 
> ~~~
> Carole Johnson
> Raytheon Technical Services Company LLC
> System and Product Support Solutions
> 8680 Balboa Avenue (Bldg 1/MS 3-M102)
> San Diego, CA  92123
> Work:(858)522-2846, Fax:(858)522-2330
> 
> 
> 
> 
> From:
> ecid
> ade at zoominternet.netTo:
> 
> framers at lists.frameusers.com>Date:
> 01/06/2010 02:10 PM
> Subject:
> Epic Arbortext to Adobe FrameMaker
> Sent by:
> framers-bounces at lists.frameusers.com
> 
> 
> Good afternoon Fellow Framers
> 
> First, my setup:  WXP Pro 2002 SP2, FrameMaker 8 and 9 (I have both)...
> 
> My aircraft manufacturer composes material/documentation in Epic
> Arbortext.
> 
> I compose my material/documentation in Adobe FrameMaker.
> 
> Is there a plug in or procedure for converting Epic Arbortext
> documentation
> to Adobe Framemaker.  The manufacturer provided me with a DTD and I've
> tried
> creating an EDD, then opening the .SGM file using the newly formed EDD,
> but
> to no avail.
> 
> ...just looking for a solution somewhere out here.
> 
> All the best to all of you.
> 
> Eduardo
> 
> 
> 
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Epic Arbortext to Adobe FrameMaker

[Matt Sullivan]

Yes, the one-way route is easier, as you won't have to hang on to any
AT-specific processing commands and your FM read/write rules may be fewer in
number.

To clarify Diane's situation, there is more there than just AT and FM
compatibility. A few of the processes she has to use are for institutional
reasons and are not required aspects of AT and FM compatibility.




-Matt

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-Original Message-
From: ecidade at zoominternet.net [mailto:ecid...@zoominternet.net] 
Sent: Thursday, January 07, 2010 6:57 AM
To: Carole Johnson; Matt Sullivan; ecidade at zoominternet.net; Diane Gaskill
Cc: framers at lists.frameusers.com; framers-bounces at lists.frameusers.com
Subject: Re: RE: Epic Arbortext to Adobe FrameMaker

Thanks to all of you on this.

My concern is the AT-to-FM route.  It's a one-way trip, not a roundtrip.  So
maybe the journey won't be as difficultThe manufacturer provides us with
their documentation via AT and we do "that thing we do" without having to
respect a round trip back to AT...

Pressing on

Thanks again

All the best

Eduardo

On Thu 07/01/10 00:56 , "Diane Gaskill" dgcaller at earthlink.net sent:
> Hi Matt,
> 
> Happy New Year.
> 
> We transfer files from FM to AT and back to FM via XML.  The process 
> requires a common DTD, schema, and EDD, as well as FM and AT templates 
> thatuse the same XML elements and the same version of DocBook.  I 
> expect thatyou can do it with DITA too.  The FM book is validated in 
> FM8, saved as XML,and then validated in Oxygen with a tool called 
> Schematron. I'm not sure howthe XML is generated from from AT, but I 
> believe the process is almost thesame.  Note that this processis not 
> as simple as it sounds.  It took severalmonths to get it working.  You 
> also have to coordinate filenames, directorystructures, graphics 
> formats, etc., so that the files open corectly on bothends.
> 
> Diane Gaskill
> Hitachi Data Systems
> 
> =
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: 
> framers-bounces at lists.frameusers.com[framers-bounces at lists.frameusers.
> com]On Behalf
Of Carole
> JohnsonSent: Wednesday, January 06, 2010 2:31 PM
> To: Matt Sullivan
> Cc: 
> framers at lists.frameusers.com; ecid
> ade at zoominternet.net;framers-bounces at lists.frameusers.comSubject: RE: 
> Epic Arbortext to
Adobe FrameMaker
> 
> 
> Haven't looked into this for a few years.  I will see if I have my 
> notes,but I thought it was a schema or a DTD, but using style sheet.  
> Not reallysure at the moment.
> 
> Carole J. Johnson,
> 
> ~~~
> Carole Johnson
> Raytheon Technical Services Company LLC System and Product Support 
> Solutions 8680 Balboa Avenue (Bldg 1/MS 3-M102) San Diego, CA  92123 
> Work:(858)522-2846, Fax:(858)522-2330
> 
> 
> 
> 
> From:
> "Matt Sullivan" matt@
> grafixtraining.com>To:
> "'Carole Johnson'" C
> arole_Johnson at raytheon.com>,ecid
> ade at zoominternet.net>Cc:
> 
> framers at lists.frameusers.com, framers-bounces at lists.frameusers.comDate:
> 01/06/2010 02:28 PM
> Subject:
> RE: Epic Arbortext to Adobe FrameMaker Sent by:
> framers-bounces at lists.frameusers.com
> 
> 
> My understanding is that the Schema needs to be converted to a DTD, 
> thenhandled from there. Carole, are you aware of a different approach?
> 
> 
> -Matt
> 
> Matt Sullivan
> GRAFIX Training
> 
> matt@
> grafixtraining.comwww.grafixtraining.
> comoffice 714 960-6840
> cell & txt 714 585-2335
> sms message
> skype: mattrsullivan
> twitter: mattrsullivan
> 
> 
> linkedin
> 
> 
> facebook
> 
> 
> 
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: 
> framers-bounces at lists.frameusers.com[framers-bounces at lists.frameusers.
> com] On
Behalf Of Carole
> JohnsonSent: Wednesday, January 06, 2010 2:17 PM
> To: ecid
> ade at zoominternet.netCc: 
> framers at lists.frameusers.com; 
> framers-bounces at lists.frameusers.comSubject: Re: Epic
Arbortext to Adobe FrameMaker
> 
> Rumor has it you can use a schema with those versions of FM.  Should 
> be able to pull in the arbortext file (if they are using flat files)
> 
> Carole J. Johnson,
> 
> ~~~
> Carole Johnson
> Raytheon Technical Services Company LLC System and Product Support 
> Solutions 8680 Balboa Avenue (Bldg 1/MS 3-M102) San Diego, CA  92123 
> Work:(858)522-2846, Fax:(858)522-2330
> 
> 
> 
> 
> From:
> ecid
> ade at zoominternet.netTo:
> 
> framers at lists.frameusers.com>Date:
> 01/06/2010 02:10 PM
> Subject:
> Epic Arbortext to Adobe FrameMaker
> Sent by:
> framers-bounces at lists.frameusers.com
> 
> 
> Good afternoon Fellow Framers
> 
> First, my setup:  WXP Pro 2002 SP2, FrameMaker 8 and 9 (I have both)...
> 
> My aircraft manufacturer composes material/documentation in Epic 
> Arbortext.
> 
> I compose my material/documentation in 

FM on a Mac

[Scott Prentice]

Just wondering if anyone has tried this ..

When installing FM (8 or 9) in a VMWare image of Windows XP on a Mac .. 
install to a "Shared" folder (mounted with a drive letter) so that the 
installation files will be available to other images of Windows on that 
computer. It seems that in theory this should work, but I have a feeling 
that I'd need to clone the registry entries between the various 
instances of Windows. This may not be too hard for multiple instances of 
the same OS version (XP), but what if I wanted to be able to use the 
same installation of FM for XP and Vista (and 7)?

It's probably not a good idea at all .. just wondering if anyone else 
has tried this.  :)

Thanks!

...scott

FM on a Mac

[Peter Gold]

Hi, Scott:

I'm using FrameMaker 9 on VMware Fusion2 and Windows 7 Release
Candidate on Mac OS X 10.5.8. I have no idea if your idea would work,
or if it works, how stable it might be. I haven't installed multiple
OSs, only Win7.

The files I create on OS X and Win7 are stored only on my Mac
partition, in case there are fatal problems on the virtual drive. In
fact, I had a problem that whose cause I can't identify - a bunch of
the virtual files that comprise the virtual machine disappeared
inexplicably. Perhaps a power or system failure during an operation of
some kind. I didn't find out about it until some time long after, when
launching the virtual machine displayed a message that file xxx was
missing and halted the launch. I searched VMware's site for
explanations and recommended solutions, but I couldn't follow the
steps well. As I was about to create a new virtual machine, I found a
Time Machine backup of the drive that I'd forgotten about; restoring
it to the shared drive gave me a new start at the saved state.

This taught me not to rely on Windows' Restore Point feature, because
they are lost if the virtual machine is lost.

I had forgotten about the backed-up virtual machine because I'd
removed it from the backup list; the reason I did this is that Time
Machine backs up changed files, and each launch of the virtual machine
(120GB in my case) marks the whole set of files that comprise the
machine as changed, so it backs up the 120GB each time. Time Machine
can't distinguish which of the many files that comprise the virtual
machine have changed, and selectively back them up.

My plan now is to keep the "seed" VM backed up, and when I need to
install or update its components, to save that state as a newer "seed"
on a backup drive. These will be my restore points.

I've had no problems saving and opening files from the Mac OS X file
system in the Windows virtual machine applications - FrameMaker and
InDesign mostly. Especially with InDesign files, it's a good example
of cross-platform compatibility, because I have InDesign CS4 on Win7
and Mac OS X.

Perhaps if you describe your intentions for the configuration you're
describing, someone on the list can offer more advice. I also suggest
that you check the VMware site and contact VMware support to see
what's already been discovered.

HTH

Regards,

Peter
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KnowHow ProServices





On Thu, Jan 7, 2010 at 12:46 PM, Scott Prentice  wrote:
> Just wondering if anyone has tried this ..
>
> When installing FM (8 or 9) in a VMWare image of Windows XP on a Mac ..
> install to a "Shared" folder (mounted with a drive letter) so that the
> installation files will be available to other images of Windows on that
> computer. It seems that in theory this should work, but I have a feeling
> that I'd need to clone the registry entries between the various
> instances of Windows. This may not be too hard for multiple instances of
> the same OS version (XP), but what if I wanted to be able to use the
> same installation of FM for XP and Vista (and 7)?
>
> It's probably not a good idea at all .. just wondering if anyone else
> has tried this. ?:)
>
> Thanks!
>
> ...scott
>
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FM on a Mac

[Scott Prentice]

Hi Peter...

Thanks for the info .. very helpful.

I was hoping to be able to test FM under various versions of Windows 
without installing separately on each OS. In theory, using Fusion on a 
Mac, I can install on each OS (XP, Vista, 7) to the same "shared" 
location, and it *should* work. The problem is going to be authorization 
of each instance since that data is stored in the registry of each OS. I 
have a feeling that I'd not be able to authorize it under each OS since 
that would be akin to installing on three separate computers (even 
though it's not really).

Oh well.

Thanks!

...scott


Peter Gold wrote:
> Hi, Scott:
>
> I'm using FrameMaker 9 on VMware Fusion2 and Windows 7 Release
> Candidate on Mac OS X 10.5.8. I have no idea if your idea would work,
> or if it works, how stable it might be. I haven't installed multiple
> OSs, only Win7.
>
> The files I create on OS X and Win7 are stored only on my Mac
> partition, in case there are fatal problems on the virtual drive. In
> fact, I had a problem that whose cause I can't identify - a bunch of
> the virtual files that comprise the virtual machine disappeared
> inexplicably. Perhaps a power or system failure during an operation of
> some kind. I didn't find out about it until some time long after, when
> launching the virtual machine displayed a message that file xxx was
> missing and halted the launch. I searched VMware's site for
> explanations and recommended solutions, but I couldn't follow the
> steps well. As I was about to create a new virtual machine, I found a
> Time Machine backup of the drive that I'd forgotten about; restoring
> it to the shared drive gave me a new start at the saved state.
>
> This taught me not to rely on Windows' Restore Point feature, because
> they are lost if the virtual machine is lost.
>
> I had forgotten about the backed-up virtual machine because I'd
> removed it from the backup list; the reason I did this is that Time
> Machine backs up changed files, and each launch of the virtual machine
> (120GB in my case) marks the whole set of files that comprise the
> machine as changed, so it backs up the 120GB each time. Time Machine
> can't distinguish which of the many files that comprise the virtual
> machine have changed, and selectively back them up.
>
> My plan now is to keep the "seed" VM backed up, and when I need to
> install or update its components, to save that state as a newer "seed"
> on a backup drive. These will be my restore points.
>
> I've had no problems saving and opening files from the Mac OS X file
> system in the Windows virtual machine applications - FrameMaker and
> InDesign mostly. Especially with InDesign files, it's a good example
> of cross-platform compatibility, because I have InDesign CS4 on Win7
> and Mac OS X.
>
> Perhaps if you describe your intentions for the configuration you're
> describing, someone on the list can offer more advice. I also suggest
> that you check the VMware site and contact VMware support to see
> what's already been discovered.
>
> HTH
>
> Regards,
>
> Peter
> ___
> Peter Gold
> KnowHow ProServices
>
>
>
>
>
> On Thu, Jan 7, 2010 at 12:46 PM, Scott Prentice wrote:
>   
>> Just wondering if anyone has tried this ..
>>
>> When installing FM (8 or 9) in a VMWare image of Windows XP on a Mac ..
>> install to a "Shared" folder (mounted with a drive letter) so that the
>> installation files will be available to other images of Windows on that
>> computer. It seems that in theory this should work, but I have a feeling
>> that I'd need to clone the registry entries between the various
>> instances of Windows. This may not be too hard for multiple instances of
>> the same OS version (XP), but what if I wanted to be able to use the
>> same installation of FM for XP and Vista (and 7)?
>>
>> It's probably not a good idea at all .. just wondering if anyone else
>> has tried this.  :)
>>
>> Thanks!
>>
>> ...scott
>>
>> 

Re: FM on a Mac

[Jay Maechtlen]

Can you have Frame installed under each OS, but only 'authorize' the one 
you want to test, then de-authorize it and authorize the next one to test?
Or can you test them as trial versions?
I doubt that you'd get a single software install to share across 
multiple copies of Windows, even VMs on a  single host.
I'm sure Adobe wouldn't want that to work.

Regards
Jay

Scott Prentice wrote:
> Hi Peter...
>
> Thanks for the info .. very helpful.
>
> I was hoping to be able to test FM under various versions of Windows 
> without installing separately on each OS. In theory, using Fusion on a 
> Mac, I can install on each OS (XP, Vista, 7) to the same "shared" 
> location, and it *should* work. The problem is going to be authorization 
> of each instance since that data is stored in the registry of each OS. I 
> have a feeling that I'd not be able to authorize it under each OS since 
> that would be akin to installing on three separate computers (even 
> though it's not really).
>
> Oh well.
>
> Thanks!
>
> ...scott
>   
>

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FM on a Mac

[Peter Gold]

Hi, all:

On Thu, Jan 7, 2010 at 3:40 PM, Jay Maechtlen  wrote:
> Can you have Frame installed under each OS, but only 'authorize' the one you
> want to test, then de-authorize it and authorize the next one to test?
> Or can you test them as trial versions?
> I doubt that you'd get a single software install to share across multiple
> copies of Windows, even VMs on a ?single host.
> I'm sure Adobe wouldn't want that to work.

If this were a Mac, I can see setting different partitions with Mac OS
X versions as start-up disks, yet run the same installed application,
unless the application is designed to be installed on the start-up
disk.

The question, I guess, is about how Windows handles this. It's quite
possible that authorizing an Adobe installed product may not be a
problem across different VMs on the same physical computer, if the
popular notion that the physical hard disk information is keyed to
authorization.

At the worst you could waste some time trying to see how Windows works
things out. I can see installing the application to a lettered drive,
other than C:, on one flavor of Win and trying to launch it from
another flavor of Win on another VM. I think this would fail because
Win apps usually need to store some stuff on C: no matter where else
you install the rest of it.

Let us know what you find out in your experiments.


HTH

Regards,

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>
> Regards
> Jay
>
> Scott Prentice wrote:
>>
>> Hi Peter...
>>
>> Thanks for the info .. very helpful.
>>
>> I was hoping to be able to test FM under various versions of Windows
>> without installing separately on each OS. In theory, using Fusion on a Mac,
>> I can install on each OS (XP, Vista, 7) to the same "shared" location, and
>> it *should* work. The problem is going to be authorization of each instance
>> since that data is stored in the registry of each OS. I have a feeling that
>> I'd not be able to authorize it under each OS since that would be akin to
>> installing on three separate computers (even though it's not really).
>>
>> Oh well.
>>
>> Thanks!
>>
>> ...scott
>>
>
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FM on a Mac

[Scott Prentice]

Well .. I'm thinking this is probably not worth the effort. I though it 
might be nice to have a single install of FM that could be used by 
multiple OSes .. because I'd like to be able to easily test plugins 
under each OS.

I figured I'd start with something "easy" .. FM7.2 .. that's bound to 
work, no? No. XP let me install on the mounted shared drive, but Vista 
won't .. it tells me that the drive doesn't exist (even though I can 
access it through the Explorer). This may be user error and there may be 
some way around it (I'm not very experienced with Vista), but I have a 
feeling that this would be a losing battle, and probably isn't worth the 
trouble.

I think that Jay's suggestion to just use a trial version or 
deauthorize/reauthorize as needed is probably the best option.

Thanks for helping me to explore the options!

Cheers,

...scott



Peter Gold wrote:
> Hi, all:
>
> On Thu, Jan 7, 2010 at 3:40 PM, Jay Maechtlen  wrote:
>   
>> Can you have Frame installed under each OS, but only 'authorize' the one you
>> want to test, then de-authorize it and authorize the next one to test?
>> Or can you test them as trial versions?
>> I doubt that you'd get a single software install to share across multiple
>> copies of Windows, even VMs on a  single host.
>> I'm sure Adobe wouldn't want that to work.
>> 
>
> If this were a Mac, I can see setting different partitions with Mac OS
> X versions as start-up disks, yet run the same installed application,
> unless the application is designed to be installed on the start-up
> disk.
>
> The question, I guess, is about how Windows handles this. It's quite
> possible that authorizing an Adobe installed product may not be a
> problem across different VMs on the same physical computer, if the
> popular notion that the physical hard disk information is keyed to
> authorization.
>
> At the worst you could waste some time trying to see how Windows works
> things out. I can see installing the application to a lettered drive,
> other than C:, on one flavor of Win and trying to launch it from
> another flavor of Win on another VM. I think this would fail because
> Win apps usually need to store some stuff on C: no matter where else
> you install the rest of it.
>
> Let us know what you find out in your experiments.
>
>
> HTH
>
> Regards,
>
> Peter
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> Peter Gold
> KnowHow ProServices
>
>
>   
>> Regards
>> Jay
>>
>> Scott Prentice wrote:
>> 
>>> Hi Peter...
>>>
>>> Thanks for the info .. very helpful.
>>>
>>> I was hoping to be able to test FM under various versions of Windows
>>> without installing separately on each OS. In theory, using Fusion on a Mac,
>>> I can install on each OS (XP, Vista, 7) to the same "shared" location, and
>>> it *should* work. The problem is going to be authorization of each instance
>>> since that data is stored in the registry of each OS. I have a feeling that
>>> I'd not be able to authorize it under each OS since that would be akin to
>>> installing on three separate computers (even though it's not really).
>>>
>>> Oh well.
>>>
>>> Thanks!
>>>
>>> ...scott
>>>
>>>   
>> --
>> Jay Maechtlen
>> 626 444-5112 office
>> 626 840-8875 cell
>> www.laserpubs.com
>>
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vsd flow charts

[Zeller, Barbara]

What is the best way to import flow charts from Visio (.vsd) into FrameMaker?
I'm getting some pretty fuzzy results. I am working in Frame 7.2. Would
appreciate any tips.

Thanks!
Barbara Zeller

FM on a Mac

[Kevin Farwell]

Hello,

The particulars are different, but I did this with VirtualPC many 
years ago. I had two images, one sort of a testing machine, that 
shared a common drive for my applications. It was not all that bad to 
set up, and saved me a lot of very valuable drive space on my little 
G4 PowerBook.

Kevin

>Just wondering if anyone has tried this ..
>
>When installing FM (8 or 9) in a VMWare image of Windows XP on a Mac ..
>install to a "Shared" folder (mounted with a drive letter) so that the
>installation files will be available to other images of Windows on that
>computer. It seems that in theory this should work, but I have a feeling
>that I'd need to clone the registry entries between the various
>instances of Windows. This may not be too hard for multiple instances of
>the same OS version (XP), but what if I wanted to be able to use the
>same installation of FM for XP and Vista (and 7)?
>
>It's probably not a good idea at all .. just wondering if anyone else
>has tried this.  :)
>
>Thanks!
>
>...scott
>
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What version of FM is compatible with Windows 7

[Amy Severson]

Hello.

What versions of FM are supported on Windows 7 (64 bit or 32 bit)? We are 
specifically wondering about FM 7.2.

Thank you!



Amy Severson
Technical Communications Analyst
Computers Unlimited
techcomm at cu.net
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