Repeaters [off topic]

2012-08-21 Thread Bob Hall
I'm using a repeater to grab a wireless signal and pass it to my local
(wired) lan. For various reasons I won't go into a repeater is, in
theory, the best way to do this. However, I'm having trouble finding a
repeater that isn't garbage. I've been through 2 Linksys units, both of
which required constant reboots and both of which died after almost
exactly a year. I tried a Hawking HWREN1 which is still working after
slightly more than a year but has trouble with encrypted traffic and
also requires frequent reboots. I also tried a Hawking HW2R1, which was
much less flaky than the HWREN1 and handled encrypted traffic OK, but
died after about 3 months.

Since these things cost $100-$140 apiece, it would be cost effective to
to pay more for a unit that worked consistently and didn't die after a
few months of light use. Has anyone on the list used a repeater that
they had good experience with?

Bob Hall
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Re: what is the best kind of KVM Switch?

2012-08-11 Thread Bob Hall
On Sat, Aug 11, 2012 at 12:18:59PM -0700, Gary Kline wrote:
> 
> 
>   guys,
> 
>   can any of you with hardware background tell me which are
>   the better KVM makes?  about three weeks ago my "Belkin
>   soho" 4-port kvm switch started going flakey on port #1.
> 
>   I ordered a new one, same make//model except with PS/2 
>   plugs.   it arrived 100%  DOA.   I'Ve finally found 
>   somebody willing to come over and help me.  Fry's is about
>   12 clicks away.  they have not too many.  maybe an 
>   "iogear" (sp?).  is there really that much diff between kvm
>   switch? and if there is, which should I be looking for?

I've used Belkins. They've been flakey. I'm currently on my third year
with an Aten and have had no problems. I bought this cheap off the
Internet so I don't know what they usually sell for. There was some
discussion here about KVM switches just before I bought mine and
everyone who mentioned Aten said good things about it.

Best of luck
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Re: Password theft from memory?

2011-04-29 Thread Bob Hall
On Fri, Apr 29, 2011 at 01:54:06AM +0100, RW wrote:
> On Thu, 28 Apr 2011 13:17:41 -0400
> Bob Hall  wrote:
> 
> > On Thu, Apr 28, 2011 at 12:10:10AM +0100, RW wrote:
> > > I'm not saying that anonymous mappings used by malloc aren't
> > > zero-filled, just that it's not mentioned anywhere in the mmap man
> > > page. I think it's just taken as read.
> > 
> > I just got what you're trying to say. Unfortunately, your quotes
> > mislead me about what you were concerned about. You're right, the man
> > page doesn't explicitly state whether anonymous mappings are zero
> > filled or not. Since man pages prioritize concision, I would expect
> > the page to explain how anonymous mappings are different from other
> > mappings, but not how they are the same.
> 
> but they aren't the same - that's what the quotes were about. 

Looking back, I don't see anything in your quotes that raises the issue
of anonymous objects being used differently.

> If the zero-filled extensions included whole pages that have the same
> status as the rest of the mapping then it would be reasonable to infer
> that anonymous mappings are similarly filled with zeroed-pages.
> 
> What that man page is talking about is a small padding region at the
> end of a file-backed mapping that isn't really intended for use and
> presumably could get re-zeroed at any moment since it has no backing
> store. It seems to me to be unreasonable to infer anything about
> anonymous mappings from this.

When an anonymous object first gets a pagein, it grabs a free page and
zeros it. Generally, the virtual memory system fetches new pages from a
cache of zeroed pages. In either case, pages are zeroed before a process
gets access.

This is part of the general background info on virtual memory and I
wouldn't expect it to be documented in the mmap man page.

Off topic, the maillist is apparently filtering out my posts. I've
looked at the webpage on filtering and can't find anything that explains
why I'm being filtered. I've tried posting from another system that I
posted successfully from previously, but no success. I've tried googling
and searching the mail archives for problems related to google mail, but
nothing came up.  If some mail expert can spot what's causing me to be
blocked and let me know, I'd be grateful.
> 
> 
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Re: Password theft from memory?

2011-04-28 Thread Bob Hall
On Thu, Apr 28, 2011 at 12:10:10AM +0100, RW wrote:
> I'm not saying that anonymous mappings used by malloc aren't
> zero-filled, just that it's not mentioned anywhere in the mmap man
> page. I think it's just taken as read.

I just got what you're trying to say. Unfortunately, your quotes mislead
me about what you were concerned about. You're right, the man page
doesn't explicitly state whether anonymous mappings are zero filled or
not. Since man pages prioritize concision, I would expect the page to
explain how anonymous mappings are different from other mappings, but
not how they are the same.
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Re: Password theft from memory?

2011-04-27 Thread Bob Hall
On Tue, Apr 26, 2011 at 11:41 AM, RW 
wrote:
>> The above quote states that the memory not occupied by the remapped
>> object is zero filled. Which is to say that memory allocated by
>> mmap() is either filled with new data or filled with zeros.
>
> In context it says:
>
>     "If len is not a multiple of the page-size, the mapped region
> may extend past the specified range.  Any such extension beyond the
>     end of the mapped object will be zero-filled."
>
> To me the most straightforward reading of that is that it's
> referring to non-aligned address ranges.
>
> Your interpretation may well be the intended one, but where would
> that leave the anonymous mappings used by malloc? Are we to think
> of them as extensions beyond a non-existent mapped object, and thus
> infer that they are zero-filled? It's a bit of a stretch from
> what's written.

malloc() uses either sbrk or mmap to extend the heap. As far as I know,
sbrk extends the heap with zero filled memory. According to the man
page, mmap extends it either with remapped data, or with remapped data
plus additional zero filled memory. 

This answers the original poster's question. If you've gone on to a
different issue then I apologize for not following you.
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Re: Password theft from memory?

2011-04-25 Thread Bob Hall
On Mon, Apr 25, 2011 at 11:29:08PM +0100, RW wrote:
> On Mon, 25 Apr 2011 13:54:20 -0400
> Bob Hall  wrote:
> 
> > On Mon, Apr 25, 2011 at 05:46:33PM +0200, C. P. Ghost wrote:
> > > On Mon, Apr 25, 2011 at 5:15 PM, Bob Hall  wrote:
> > > > On Mon, Apr 25, 2011 at 03:18:46PM +0100, RW wrote:
> > > >> I don't believe the heap is allocated zeroed pages.  The kernel
> > > >> does allocate such pages to the BSS segment, but that's because
> > > >> it holds zeroed data such as C static variables.
> > > >
> > > > According to McKusick and Neville-Neil's book on FreeBSD, sbrk
> > > > extends the uninitialized data segment with zero-filled pages.
> > > > Since malloc() is an interface to sbrk, it does the same thing.
> > > 
> > > True, except that malloc(3) now uses both sbrk(2) and mmap(2)
> > > allocators, depending on the user-settable flags
> > > in /etc/malloc.conf, MALLOC_OPTIONS and the global variable
> > > _malloc_options. So you have to look into mmap(2) too.
> > 
> > Good point. From the man page:
> > "Any such extension beyond the end of the mapped object will be
> > zero-filled." 
> > and
> > "A successful mmap deletes any previous mapping in the allocated
> > address range."
> 
> 
> The above quote refers to zeroing the fraction of a page that's left
> over when "len"  isn't a multiple of the page size.

The above quote states that the memory not occupied by the remapped
object is zero filled. Which is to say that memory allocated by mmap()
is either filled with new data or filled with zeros.

> However, there's a
> comment in malloc.c about mmap'ed regions being zeroed, so I guess they
> are, but it doesn't seem to be mentioned at all in mmap(2).
 
It is mentioned, in the first sentence I quoted.

> The reason I thought that heap memory isn't zeroed is from the
> discussion of pre-zeroed pages in this article: 
> 
> http://www.freebsd.org/doc/en_US.ISO8859-1/articles/vm-design/prefault-optimizations.html
> 
> It reads as if the BSS region is the only significant user of zeroed
> pages.

It appears to me to say that any virtual pages allocated to a process
are pre-zeroed, which would include the BSS segment.
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Re: Password theft from memory?

2011-04-25 Thread Bob Hall
On Mon, Apr 25, 2011 at 05:46:33PM +0200, C. P. Ghost wrote:
> On Mon, Apr 25, 2011 at 5:15 PM, Bob Hall  wrote:
> > On Mon, Apr 25, 2011 at 03:18:46PM +0100, RW wrote:
> >> I don't believe the heap is allocated zeroed pages.  The kernel
> >> does allocate such pages to the BSS segment, but that's because it
> >> holds zeroed data such as C static variables.
> >
> > According to McKusick and Neville-Neil's book on FreeBSD, sbrk extends
> > the uninitialized data segment with zero-filled pages. Since malloc() is
> > an interface to sbrk, it does the same thing.
> 
> True, except that malloc(3) now uses both sbrk(2) and mmap(2) allocators,
> depending on the user-settable flags in /etc/malloc.conf, MALLOC_OPTIONS
> and the global variable _malloc_options. So you have to look into mmap(2)
> too.

Good point. From the man page:
"Any such extension beyond the end of the mapped object will be zero-filled."
and
"A successful mmap deletes any previous mapping in the allocated address range."
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Re: Password theft from memory?

2011-04-25 Thread Bob Hall
On Mon, Apr 25, 2011 at 03:18:46PM +0100, RW wrote:
> I don't believe the heap is allocated zeroed pages.  The kernel
> does allocate such pages to the BSS segment, but that's because it
> holds zeroed data such as C static variables.

According to McKusick and Neville-Neil's book on FreeBSD, sbrk extends
the uninitialized data segment with zero-filled pages. Since malloc() is
an interface to sbrk, it does the same thing.
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Re: Image activator

2011-04-20 Thread Bob Hall
On Wed, Apr 20, 2011 at 12:48:38AM +0530, akash kumar wrote:
> Hi,
> 
> Can someone throw light on what ELF image activators is all about and point
> me to some good articles on it.

You mean the thingy that starts execution of a file by setting up
process memory and remapping the text and initialized data segments into
the low part of the address space and setting up the user stack?

Aside from a brief mention in McKusick's and Neville-Neil's book on
FreeBSD, I haven't found anything on it. I think this is a case of RTFS.
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statclock vs softclock

2011-01-19 Thread Bob Hall
I hope this is the correct forum. I'm reading The Design &
Implementation of the FreeBSD OS by McKusick & Neville-Neil, & I'm a
little confused about statclock( ) and softclock( ). According to the
book, statclock( ) ticks 128 times per second, and recalculates the
priority of the current process every four ticks. If the recalculated
priority is less than the current priority, it reschedules the process.

However, on the same page, the book says that softclock( ) recalculates
priorities once per second, and also reschedules processes.

I must not be understanding something, because it seems to me that the
book is saying that there are two routines doing the same thing and
getting in each other's way. Can someone straighten me out?

http://flylib.com/books/en/2.849.1.44/1

Thanks in advance.
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Re: Simple command to reset / clear all logs?

2011-01-12 Thread Bob Hall
On Wed, Jan 12, 2011 at 08:21:45PM +0100, Polytropon wrote:
> On Thu, 13 Jan 2011 02:17:10 +0900, Ryuichiro Hara  wrote:
> > Hello,
> > 
> > It might be all right to remove all "normal file" logs,
> > though you may want to retain all subdirectories.
> > 
> > find /var/log -type f -exec rm {} \;
> > 
> > may do.
> 
> Possible problem: Programs that log to files may be confused
> that the file has disappeared. How about simply cutting the
> files to zero length?
> 
>   # cat /dev/null > /var/log/*

or  # truncate -s 0 /var/log/*

That will save you two keystrokes, and that's important! ;-) 
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Portupgrade status [Was Re: Portmaster general questions and problems]

2010-12-26 Thread Bob Hall
On Sun, Dec 26, 2010 at 11:39:58AM -0800, Ron (Lists) wrote:
> But, due to portupgrade no longer being maintained and failing to work 
> anymore,

I'm a bit confused about this. I did a quick google search and saw that
someone had stopped maintaining portupgrade, but I also saw things that
suggested that other people were maintaining it. The handbook continues
to list it ahead of portmanager and portmaster, with no mention that it
isn't being maintained. I've never stopped using portupgrade, and it has
always worked. Updates come through periodically, two in the past month.
For a port that isn't being maintained, it seems to be remarkably well
maintained.
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Re: Greybeards (Re: Netbooks & BSD)

2010-10-20 Thread Bob Hall
On Wed, Oct 20, 2010 at 12:07:55PM -0500, Tim Daneliuk wrote:
> On 10/20/2010 11:55 AM, Gary Kline wrote:
> > On Wed, Oct 20, 2010 at 12:47:38AM -0700, per...@pluto.rain.com wrote:
> >> Matthias Apitz  wrote:
> >>> El d?a Tuesday, October 19, 2010 a las 07:29:46PM -0700, Gary Kline 
> >>> escribi?:
>   PS:  I really _was_ current on hardware stuff.  Back in the VAX
>   780 days :-) 
> >>> I booted my first UNIX V7 tape on a PDP-11 around 1982, I think.
> >>
> >> Gotcha beat :)  UNIX V6, PDP-11/34, RK05 disk cartridge, 1975.
> >> The whole runtime fit on one RK05.  The sources took a second one.
> >
> > I remember the 11/34 fondly.  The whole EE department at Cory
> > Hall was running one one; then when I interned at Livermore my
> > job of porting the "Portable F77 Compiler" was done with vi and
> > the source code that Stu Feldman wrote.  I love[d] those bloody 
> > old computers, :-)  Dunno why.   Maybe because they really 
> > *were* about computing.  Not streaming [[whatever]] or having 
> > php running.  (Blah^9^9^9)
> > 
> > :)
> 
> Heck, when I started out, they didn't even have zeros and ones yet.
> We had to settle for "o"s and "l"s ...

When I started out, we didn't have read/write heads for the hard disks.
We had to copy the data from the screen to the disk by hand using
magnetized sewing needles. In order to read the damn things we had to
pass a compass over the disk and see where the needle deflected.
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Re: Little question about device driver name

2010-09-24 Thread Bob Hall
On Fri, Sep 24, 2010 at 07:04:06PM +0200, David DEMELIER wrote:
> Hi folks,
> 
> I just wonder why if_bridge(4) is prefixed by if_ for device name.
> Every other device name like lagg(4), gif(4) are not prefixed with
> this same one.

if_bridge was based on bridge. I assume that when the updated if_bridge
was introduced, the earlier bridge was still available, so the author
needed some way to distinguish his new module from the earlier module.

Type "man bridge" and check the Authors section.
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Re: Is this bunk.

2010-08-22 Thread Bob Hall
On Mon, Aug 23, 2010 at 01:25:34AM +0100, Garry wrote:
> Mac OS X is basically BSD that's been appleised (serious vendor lock-in),
> they do give a little back to BSDs, but have made sure that BSDs can't get
> much off of them, but they can get a lot out of BSD.

If the kernel is the basis of an OS, then OS X is basically the Mach
kernel. The userland part of early versions of OS X borrowed heavily
from NetBSD, but much of this has been replaced with FreeBSD in later
version. Or so I'm told. As someone else has pointed out, Apple has made
some important contributions to NFS, so they are not exactly free
riders.
 
> Also, Windows uses  (or used to use) a BSD stack for networking for
> instance.

NT had a notoriously unstable network stack. It suddenly became more
stable with Win2k, which turned out to be due to the replacement of much
of the code with code taken from FreeBSD, which has a famously stable
network stack. People who claim to have seen the MS code say that large
parts of it are unchanged from the original FBSD code, and include the
original comments. As far as I know, that code is still being used.

> This does not mean to say that I have a problem with the quality of the code
> in BSD, I just feel that the license is counter productive.

And the wonderful thing about the proliferation of open source licenses
is that you can pick a project with a license that you approve of and
never have to have your code encumbered by a license you feel is
inferior. The people who use FBSD and the wonderful people who produce
it obviously feel that the FBSD license is the sort of license that they
want to support. You are free to pity our delusions and choose a project
with a more enlightened approach.

Best of luck!
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Re: BSD logo (a moderate opinion)

2010-07-29 Thread Bob Hall
On Thu, Jul 29, 2010 at 11:03:07AM -0400, Jerry McAllister wrote:
> On Thu, Jul 29, 2010 at 10:15:27AM -0400, Bob Hall wrote:
> > Beastie is the mascot, and the sex toy is the logo. It is only the
> > mascot that the OP objected to. He didn't mention any objections to the
> > logo.
> 
> Actually, the OP said logo and made no mention of mascott.

In that case, I'm glad I was able to contribute my share of
misinformation and confusion to this thread.
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Re: BSD logo (a moderate opinion)

2010-07-29 Thread Bob Hall
On Thu, Jul 29, 2010 at 09:52:07AM +0200, ?? wrote:
> On Wed, 28 Jul 2010 12:55:04 -0600
> Dale Scott  wrote:
> 
> > Personally, I enjoy our mascot Beastie, as well as the
> > Beastie-influenced official logo. I also smile when I see Casper,
> > Wendy andHotStuff. However, I also accept there are individuals who
> > understand these symbols differently than me, and that I may be
> > alienating them to my detriment.  It seems consumer products need to
> > be mindful of cultural differences, is FreeBSD different? A larger
> > community and increased OS market share wouldn't be all that bad,
> > would it?
> > 
> > I hope that those of you who believe in FreeBSD but with a personal
> > conflict with the mascot or logo, band together and propose a
> > complementary alternate symbol. I don't mean flooding the mail list
> > (it's obvious we can do that on our own), I'm talking about difficult
> > time-consuming organization, lobbying, and support gathering. For me,
> > I hope Beastie endures forever - he our first and legacy mascot - but
> > I also wouldn't object to one or two more officially sanctioned
> > mascots and logos either. 
> > 
> > Dale Scott
> > 
> 
> Personally, I tried to stay out of this conversion (because it's OT and
> I find all religions annoying). But, anyway, IIRC, the reason why
> our nice little beastie is no longer the official FreeBSD logo, is the
> sentiments you just mentioned. There was a discussion about this years
> ago on one of the mailing lists (I don't remember which one anymore),
> which resulted in a contest, and the result is the horned ball logo you
> find on the top of www.freebsd.org. This is also the reason why we
> have to add 'beastie_disable="NO"' to /boot/loader.conf after a fresh
> install now. So, please, refrain from calling for yet another new logo.

Beastie is the mascot, and the sex toy is the logo. It is only the
mascot that the OP objected to. He didn't mention any objections to the
logo.

As far as marketing products to a wide range of buyers, googling for
"red devil" gets me

Red Devil home repair and refinishing products
Red Devil Italian Restaraunt
Red Devil Equipment Co.
Red Devil Lounge
Red Devil Energy drink
Red Devil snow blowers
Red Devil hot sauce
Red Devil Records
Red Devil brakes
Red Devil pedicab service
Red Devil fire training and consuling

You'll get a similar list if you google for "blue devil".

So it seems that Beastie has lots of company out there in product land.
Images of devils seem to be successful in marketing products. I don't
believe that creating an alternative to Beastie is going to do
anything to increase FBSD market share.

My best wishes to the OP. I hope he finds something he's comfortable
with.
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Re: Directory Passwords

2010-06-12 Thread Bob Hall
On Sat, Jun 12, 2010 at 02:52:59PM -0400, Mike Robins wrote:
> Hi there, I currently am running a FreeBSD/Samba server for my company
> with public shares for all of the employees to keep their work related
> documents in.  I'm wondering if it is possible for me to keep these shares
> public and add a password to each sub directory in the public share?  This
> would mean I could give each department a sub directory that only they
> would know the password to and keep the sensitive documents away from
> public view.

Any password known to a group of people quickly becomes public
knowledge. If you really need to restrict access to a share, this won't
do it securely. 

In jobs I've had where it was necessary to restrict access to network
shares, there was a central security server that was aware of me after I
successfully logged on to my computer, and automatically gave me access
to any share that a project manager had given me rights to, while
blocking me from any share to which no project manager had given me
rights. I'm pretty sure you can integrate Samba into such a system, but
how to do it is a Samba related question, not a FreeBSD question.

Best of luck.
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Re: any shortcuts to doc to ascii?

2010-05-28 Thread Bob Hall
On Fri, May 28, 2010 at 10:45:38AM -0400, Bob Hall wrote:
> Another possibility, if you haven't considered it, is using sed to
> convert everything. If you know all the characters that need to be

Never mind. I just remembered about the garbage at the beginning of doc
files. I had forgotten that I using both sed and awk to deal with that when I
was working with doc files.
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Re: any shortcuts to doc to ascii?

2010-05-28 Thread Bob Hall
On Thu, May 27, 2010 at 10:53:39PM -0700, Gary Kline wrote:
> On Thursday 27 May 2010 05:18:07 pm Bob Hall wrote:
> > On Thu, May 27, 2010 at 04:36:08PM -0700, Gary Kline wrote:
> > >   ps: antiword same as catdoc.  back to my per substitutions.
> > >   that works, along with vi's Builtin subs.
> > 
> > Have you considered using whatever replaces the most special characters,
> > and fixing the few characters that remain with sed?
> 
> exactly!!!

Another possibility, if you haven't considered it, is using sed to
convert everything. If you know all the characters that need to be
swapped out, you can write a sed script that will do it for you in one
pass. If you don't know sed, creating the script may be a PITA, but
you'll only have to do it once, and then you can reuse the script
whenever needed.

As I recall, the hard part is figuring out how to represent the special
characters in sed. It's been a few years since I used sed on doc files,
but I recall that the character codes that displayed on my screen were
not the codes that I needed to use in sed scripts.
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Re: any shortcuts to doc to ascii?

2010-05-27 Thread Bob Hall
On Thu, May 27, 2010 at 04:36:08PM -0700, Gary Kline wrote:
>   ps: antiword same as catdoc.  back to my per substitutions.
>   that works, along with vi's Builtin subs.  
Have you considered using whatever replaces the most special characters,
and fixing the few characters that remain with sed?
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Re: Autoresponders [pa...@magi.magidesign.com: [#24508600] Re: Need advise.]

2010-05-20 Thread Bob Hall
On Wed, May 19, 2010 at 10:37:22PM -0400, Glen Barber wrote:
> Headers attached, so we can stop this nonsense in the future.
I've gotten the same thing, and I'm a bit confused. What exactly is
going on?
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Re: Question not found in FAQs or other documentation

2010-05-15 Thread Bob Hall
On Sat, May 15, 2010 at 05:57:35PM -0400, jon wrote:
> To whom it concerns,
> 
> I am a relatively basic/amateur computer user and I just noticed  
> today that my "recent servers" lists "Free BSD".
> 
> I do not knowingly connect to any outside servers and am concerned  
> that any server has been connected to my computer.
> 
> My question is: how can I prevent this server from ever connecting to  
> my computer again? And anything else I can do to delete this server,  
> this connection

Out of curiosity, I looked in the "Recent Servers" list in a couple of
Macs that I have, and the only thing I could find were local file
servers. A server is a process that accepts requests for services.
Typically, they don't iniciate connections. As near as I can tell from
the Mac documentation, the "Recent Servers" list is a list of servers
that you've connected to, and nothing more.

I suggest clicking on the item in your "Recent Servers" list and finding
out what you connect to. If you have any further questions you should
post them in a Mac forum, since the question of which servers you've
been connected to really has nothing to do with the Free BSD operating
system.

Best of luck.
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Re: Setting firewall symbolic constants

2010-03-30 Thread Bob Hall
On Tue, Mar 30, 2010 at 04:17:22PM -0500, Walter wrote:
> >>Can these be set by the system automatically?  Specifically
> >>$firewall_simple_onet?

My first response never showed up. Second try.

I use
onet=`ifconfig rl0 | grep "inet " | awk '{print $6}'`
where rl0 is the outward facing NIC on this gateway.
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Re: Setting firewall symbolic constants

2010-03-30 Thread Bob Hall
On Tue, Mar 30, 2010 at 07:52:57AM -0500, Walter wrote:
> Can these be set by the system automatically?  Specifically
> $firewall_simple_onet?

I use

onet=`ifconfig  | grep "inet " | awk '{print $6}'`

where if is rl0 or em0 or whatever the outward facing interface is for
your system.
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Re: I hate to bitch but bitch I must

2009-10-19 Thread Bob Hall
On Sun, Oct 18, 2009 at 11:48:55AM -0400, PJ wrote:
> Bob Hall wrote:
> > On Sat, Oct 17, 2009 at 05:36:43PM -0400, PJ wrote:
> >   
> >> Bob Hall wrote:
> >> 
> >>> On Sat, Oct 17, 2009 at 02:34:40AM +, Mark wrote:
> >>>   
> >>>   
> >>>> Actually, this has got very little to do with being a native English
> >>>> speaker or not. It's ere a matter of intonation (which, in writing, can
> >>>> only be conveyed to a certain degree, of course). 'Should' can certainly
> >>>> mean "Don't try that." As in:
> >>>>
> >>>> Will the ice hold me?
> >>>> Well, technically it should.
> >>>>
> >>>> (Meaning: it probably will, but I'm not overly confident.)
> >>>> 
> >>>> 
> >>> Actually, what's happening here is dropping part of a sentence. It's
> >>> common in English to shorten
> >>>   Yea, it should work, but it doesn't.
> >>>   
> >>>   
> >> Absolutely not! There is nothing to suggest either statement above. If
> >> one says it should work, it can mean (of course, it changes within
> >> different contexts) that all is ok and normal conditions (whatever they
> >> may be) will allow things to function correctly. There is certainly no
> >> implication about confidence... where do you get that? 
> >> 
> >
> > >From common English usage. Specifically, where? Australia, England, 
> > >Russia, France, USA, Canada... Again, that is your personal interpretation 
> > >and certainly not "common English usage." Or better yet, try common sense. 
> > >Or, better yet, you *should* go back to school.

The third edition of Fowler's Modern English Usage gives British and
American usage.  Merriam-Webster's Dictionary of English Usage
concentrates more on American usage. I don't have access to any
specifically Australian or Canadian reference books.  Anyone interested
in the topic can look up the use of "should" as a modal verb and see
what is common usage.

My compliments to the authors of the man page for their clear and
concise use of English. My complements to Polytropan for spotting the
fact that "should" was being used as a modal verb, even if he didn't
call it that. My compliments to Warren Block for submitting the PR.  I
believe that's my cue to exit the thread.
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Re: I hate to bitch but bitch I must

2009-10-17 Thread Bob Hall
On Sat, Oct 17, 2009 at 05:36:43PM -0400, PJ wrote:
> Bob Hall wrote:
> > On Sat, Oct 17, 2009 at 02:34:40AM +, Mark wrote:
> >   
> >> Actually, this has got very little to do with being a native English
> >> speaker or not. It's ere a matter of intonation (which, in writing, can
> >> only be conveyed to a certain degree, of course). 'Should' can certainly
> >> mean "Don't try that." As in:
> >>
> >> Will the ice hold me?
> >> Well, technically it should.
> >>
> >> (Meaning: it probably will, but I'm not overly confident.)
> >> 
> >
> > Actually, what's happening here is dropping part of a sentence. It's
> > common in English to shorten
> > Yea, it should work, but it doesn't.
> >   
> Absolutely not! There is nothing to suggest either statement above. If
> one says it should work, it can mean (of course, it changes within
> different contexts) that all is ok and normal conditions (whatever they
> may be) will allow things to function correctly. There is certainly no
> implication about confidence... where do you get that? 

>From common English usage.
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Re: I hate to bitch but bitch I must

2009-10-16 Thread Bob Hall
On Sat, Oct 17, 2009 at 02:34:40AM +, Mark wrote:
> Actually, this has got very little to do with being a native English
> speaker or not. It's ere a matter of intonation (which, in writing, can
> only be conveyed to a certain degree, of course). 'Should' can certainly
> mean "Don't try that." As in:
> 
> Will the ice hold me?
> Well, technically it should.
> 
> (Meaning: it probably will, but I'm not overly confident.)

Actually, what's happening here is dropping part of a sentence. It's
common in English to shorten
Yea, it should work, but it doesn't.
to
Yea, it should work.
In order to catch the meaning, you have to be aware of context.

Contrary to the OP's claim, this shows a pretty good grasp of English
idiom. It's definitely not evidence that the man author is not a native
speaker of English.

On the other hand, it can be clarified so that the meaning is clear even
without context. If the OP really believes that the present wording is a
problem, other people have made suggestions on what to do about it.
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Re: I hate to bitch but bitch I must

2009-10-16 Thread Bob Hall
On Fri, Oct 16, 2009 at 07:27:42PM -0400, PJ wrote:
> Polytropon wrote:
> > On Fri, 16 Oct 2009 17:54:23 -0400, PJ  wrote:
> >> but from man tunefs:
> >> BUGS
> >> This utility should work on active file systems.
> >> What in hades does this mean--just above it says cannot be run on active
> >> file systems. ???
> >> 
> >
> > It "should". This means: Don't try that. :-)
> >
> > My printer isn't printing!
> > But it should.
> > No, it is not printing!
> > Yes, but it should.
> > :-)
> >
> >   
> Aha! Gotcha! Whoever wrote that has made an unintentionnal booboo. It is
> a subtle difference and is indicative that whoever wrote it is not a
> native english user... the meaning is clearly "should be executed, done,
> carried out, performed" - should work means it  can be carried out  - I
> think the author meant to say "should not be done"

I'm a native English speaker, and the manual makes perfect sense to me.
It's very clear to me that since the statement is in the BUGS section,
it means that the utility should, but doesn't. Since it follows a
statement that the utility doesn't, the meaning is unambiguous.
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Re: Regex Help - Greedy vs. Non-Greedy

2009-09-09 Thread Bob Hall
On Wed, Sep 09, 2009 at 09:15:25AM -0700, Drew Tomlinson wrote:
> I'm trying to do a search and replace in vim.  I have lines like this:
> http://site1/dir/;
> http://site2/dir/;LastName, FirstName;Phone;
> http://site3/dir/;LastName, FirstName;
> http://site4/dir/;
> 
> I'm want to match "http:*" and stop matching at the first ";".  My basic 
> regex is:
> 
> /http:.\+;/

Use "{-}" in place of "+".

/http:.\{-};/
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Re: Restarting hal

2009-07-25 Thread Bob Hall
On Sat, Jul 25, 2009 at 08:41:38AM +0200, Polytropon wrote:
> On Fri, 24 Jul 2009 11:02:39 -0400, Bob Hall  wrote:
> > Aside from the ctrl-alt-bksp bug, this has been the easiest X setup I've
> > ever done. I've tried it with and without hal and both are easy to set
> > up. Given my level of ignorance, that's saying something. I've seen a
> > lot of complaints about Xorg's new system, but I like it.
> 
> I'm sure it works very well on up-to-date hardware, but on
> older hardware, where all the autodetect magic won't work
> properly, problems may occur. 

I'm going to install FBSD 7 on a PII in a few weeks. We'll see how that
goes. :)
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Re: vim port have a lot of broken links ??

2009-07-24 Thread Bob Hall
On Fri, Jul 24, 2009 at 09:13:43PM +0200, Kalle Mller wrote:
> When I try to install vim from ports it tries 4-5 sites which all have to
> time out... and with a 200 files.. thats a lot of timeouts.. Who should I
> poke to, so the mirrors would be updated ??
> 
> -- 
> 
> Med Venlig Hilsen

Hi Kalle,

If several servers are timing out, there's a good chance that the
problem is at your end. Either you or your ISP might be having a
problem. If you haven't changed anything (hardware, software,
configuration, ISP), then the problem is likely to be temporary.

If the problem is a spike in activity that's overburdoning the servers,
the following may help:
/usr/ports/ports-mgmt/fastest-sites

Med venlige hilser til deg ogsaa.
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Re: Restarting hal

2009-07-24 Thread Bob Hall
On Fri, Jul 24, 2009 at 08:57:43AM +0200, Polytropon wrote:
> On Thu, 23 Jul 2009 13:43:50 -0400, Bob Hall  wrote:
> > Is there a way to get hal to reload its
> > configuration withou rebooting? I've tried sending a HUP signal and I've
> > tried "rc.d/hal restart", but so far rebooting is the only thing that
> > works properly.
> 
> Maybe it's neccessary to restart DBUS as well - just a wild
> guess, 

Yea, someone already e-mailed me and suggested I restart dbus along with
hal. I've just recently made the switch to Xorg and I'm still a bit
fuzzy about how things interrelate , so it hadn't occurred to me to
restart dbus when I reconfigured hal.

> im not using DBUS or HAL because I like my X working. :-)

Aside from the ctrl-alt-bksp bug, this has been the easiest X setup I've
ever done. I've tried it with and without hal and both are easy to set
up. Given my level of ignorance, that's saying something. I've seen a
lot of complaints about Xorg's new system, but I like it.

Thanks for your response. It's great that there are so many helpful
people on this list.
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Restarting hal

2009-07-23 Thread Bob Hall
Thanks to Manolis Kiagias's suggestion, I was able to get ctrl+alt+bksp
working in xorg again. However, I've noticed that just restarting hal
leaves me with no mouse or keyboard in X. I have to reboot the system to
get a mouse & keyboard in X. Is there a way to get hal to reload its
configuration withou rebooting? I've tried sending a HUP signal and I've
tried "rc.d/hal restart", but so far rebooting is the only thing that
works properly.

Thanks
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Re: Anonymizer tool like Tor?

2009-03-12 Thread Bob Hall
On Thu, Mar 12, 2009 at 03:04:05PM +, RW wrote:
> On Thu, 12 Mar 2009 11:38:13 +0100 (CET)
> Wojciech Puchar  wrote:
> 
> 
> > set up tor and use it as socks proxy with your browser and python
> > script.
> > 
> > You don't need privoxy for that.
> 
> but isn't the point of of using privoxy to strip identifying
> information from http requests  that would otherwise undermine tor.

It's been a while since I played with tor, but I recall that the
documentation said that you have to combine tor and privoxy (or the
equivalent) in order to surf anonymously. On the other hand, Giles is
using his own script run from the command line, rather than a web
browser, so I assume that he won't write the script to send info that he
wants to hide.

It would probably be a good idea check the http requests that are sent
externally and see what info is being passed with them. Then he can
determine for himself if he needs anything more than tor.

Just my uninformed opinion. :)
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Re: The Design and Implementation of the FreeBSD Operating System

2008-08-08 Thread Bob Hall
> A few years later about 6 months after the book went out of print
> I actually bought a box of 20 of the books for something like a dollar
> a book, from a remainder dealer, just to have a future cache of them
> that I could give away.

I probably wouldn't be using FBSD now if it wasn't for your book and
Greg Lehey's book back then. I still have both on the shelf. Greg's book
is version 3 and your book has an unopened FBSD 4.2 CD package. :)
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Re: FreeBSD Server Settings Consult

2008-05-02 Thread Bob Hall
On Fri, May 02, 2008 at 07:28:44AM -0400, Free BSD wrote:
> We've been having some problems with our server and I was wondering if
> someone had any advice or suggestions for our current system settings.

You'll probably get more help if you post the problems and any
diagnostic info. :)
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Re: traceroute problems

2008-03-10 Thread Bob Hall
On Mon, Mar 10, 2008 at 11:30:05PM +0100, Wojciech Puchar wrote:
> traceroute uses UDP packets, no special port numbers.

Outgoing is UDP. The return packet is ICMP type 11.
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Re: Recommendations for djvu and bittorrent

2008-02-12 Thread Bob Hall
Thanks to all for the suggestions and comments. I'm using rtorrent for
the torrents. I noticed that I was uploading today, which I hadn't
expected (I'm behind a firewall and NAT), but I'm happy to do in order
to help make this public domain material available to people who are
interested in Buddhist texts. All two of them. Possilby three if you
include the population of Mars. :)

I have a question that I haven't found an answer to in the man pages or
by googling. If a particular torrent is maked closed in the rtorrent
screen, can a person seeking to down load a torrent still access it, or
is it only accessable if I restart the torrent? (Keeping in mind the
firewall and NAT)
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Recommendations for djvu and bittorrent

2008-02-10 Thread Bob Hall
I found some old public domain translations of Prajnaparamita texts
available in djvu format and available via bittorrent. I have no
experience with either one. Does anyone have any recommendations for
djvu readers or torrent clients in the ports?

Thanks,
Bob Hall 
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Re: xorg-drivers-7.3

2008-01-21 Thread Bob Hall
On Mon, Jan 21, 2008 at 03:15:19PM -0500, Chess Griffin wrote:
> Bob Hall wrote:
> >I'm trying to update xorg-drivers-7.3 on an old machine. I didn't know
> >that the i810 drivers do the job of the i740 drivers, so I selected i740
> >in the config screen when I ran portmanager. Unfortunately, this
> >conflicts with i810, and unfortunately, this choice I made is preserved
> >in some configuration data hidden somewhere. When I try to redo it, it
> >picks up my previous choice instead of giving me the option of making a
> >new choice. 
> >
> > Found saved configuration for xorg-drivers-7.3_1
> >
> >portupgrade and "Make distclean" followed by "Make" both give this
> >message.
> >
> >I've tried searching, but the key words I use aren't getting me any
> >information. What do I do to deselect i740, or to force portmanager to
> >let me reselect my options?
> 
> See section 4.5.2.3 of the Handbook.

Thank you. Very informative.

And thanks Peter Boosten for giving me the precise answer. :)
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xorg-drivers-7.3

2008-01-21 Thread Bob Hall
I'm trying to update xorg-drivers-7.3 on an old machine. I didn't know
that the i810 drivers do the job of the i740 drivers, so I selected i740
in the config screen when I ran portmanager. Unfortunately, this
conflicts with i810, and unfortunately, this choice I made is preserved
in some configuration data hidden somewhere. When I try to redo it, it
picks up my previous choice instead of giving me the option of making a
new choice. 

Found saved configuration for xorg-drivers-7.3_1

portupgrade and "Make distclean" followed by "Make" both give this
message.

I've tried searching, but the key words I use aren't getting me any
information. What do I do to deselect i740, or to force portmanager to
let me reselect my options?
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Re: how to be *nix programmer

2008-01-16 Thread Bob Hall
On Wed, Jan 16, 2008 at 04:42:48PM -0500, Jerry McAllister wrote:
> On Wed, Jan 16, 2008 at 03:48:47PM -0500, Radheshyam Bhatt wrote:
> 
> > Hello  People,
> > 
> > 
> >How's it going?I am interested in to developing drivers
> > for FreeBSD.   How do I go about start learning program for that?  What
> > books & resources I should look in to.   I know C, and I am learning about
> > processes, and system calls.   Also where would I take my questions to if I
> > don't get something and need help for something in system's programming...
> > Please email me back..
> 
> Learning C and probably C++ and maybe some Assembly is good.
> 
> After that, you might want to absorb the McKusic books: 'Design and
> Implementaiton of the (4.3 and) 4.4 BSD Operating System.

Actually, McKusic's 'Design and Implementaion of the FreeBSD Operating
System' might be more useful. It's based on FBSD 5.2, but it's still
more up to date.
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Re: IPFW Rules and Games

2007-11-02 Thread Bob Hall
On Fri, Nov 02, 2007 at 10:59:04PM +0100, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> >onet=`ifconfig xl0 | grep "inet " | awk '{print $6}'`
> I'm not sure about this. Isn't the sixth word the broadcast address 
> (ending with .255)?

It's correct. I've been using this in my firewall file since FBSD
4.something. No problems. By default, awk uses spaces as column
delimiters. The line containing "inet " starts with eight spaces. Try it
and see what happens.
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Re: IPFW Rules and Games

2007-11-02 Thread Bob Hall
On Fri, Nov 02, 2007 at 04:59:27AM -0500, Jack Barnett wrote:
> I added this for a temporary fix:
>${fwcmd} add pass all from any to any
> 
> I don't think that is the right answer; That allows to much in?

Yes.
 
> I've tried these per the docs:
> 
>${fwcmd} add allow all from any to any out via {$iip} setup
>${fwcmd} add allow all from any to any out via {$iip} established
>${fwcmd} add allow all from any to any in via {$iip} established
> 
> and also a bunch of others; but none of them worked.

Try oip instead of iip. iip is your internal IP address, so anything
going out from iip is going to your lan, and anything coming in to iip
is coming from your lan. You want to control packets communicating with
the outside world, so you want to control them at oip.
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Re: Should sudo be used?

2007-04-05 Thread Bob Hall
On Thu, Apr 05, 2007 at 10:42:27AM +0200, Victor Engmark wrote:
> Hi all,
> 
> I thought it would be a good idea to use sudo on my FreeBSD laptop, but I'm
> having doubts after checking the handbook (it's not mentioned at all) and
> Google (most of the articles were obscure and / or old).
> 
> Are you using sudo? If not, why?

I administer a tiny LAN. Usually, I'm the only one fooling with the
servers (IMAP, file sharing for classic Mac & Windows, routing, Internet
access, other lesser things). However, it's nice to go on vacation
occasionally. I have a small number of accounts, each of which uses sudo
to give the account the rights necessary to administer one part of the
overall system. I can pass off the mail duties to someone else, and know
that the worst damage they can do is limited to the mail system, and
restricted by the rights granted via sudo.

As long as the firewall and other security measures are in place, my
biggest concern is clumsy fingers. Sudo limits the harm that can occur
and backups ensure recovery.

Bob Hall
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Re: Should I Upgrade 5.4 -> 6.2?

2007-03-17 Thread Bob Hall
On Fri, Mar 16, 2007 at 01:14:45AM -0400, Kris Kennaway wrote:
> On Thu, Mar 15, 2007 at 08:46:45PM -0700, Garrett Cooper wrote:
> > Kris Kennaway wrote:
> > >On Thu, Mar 15, 2007 at 05:09:57PM -0400, Jerry McAllister wrote:
> > >>On Thu, Mar 15, 2007 at 04:47:06PM -0400, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> > >>
> > >>>First off, I want to thank the people who responded to my thread 
> > >>>"Stability Issues on a 5.4-RELEASE box" a couple of weeks ago; after 
> > >>>disabling hyperthreading, getting a clean run of Memtest back, and 
> > >>>doing some serious fsck'ing of the disks, the box appears to now be 
> > >>>completely stable. I'm still not sure which of the above fixed the 
> > >>>problem...but I'll take a stable system at this point. :-)
> > >>>
> > >>>That said, in that thread I had asked about the advisability of 
> > >>>upgrading to 6.2, and it was intelligently pointed out that doing so in 
> > >>>pursuit of stability was a bad idea. Now that the box is stable, 
> > >>>though, I'm back to the same question: should I make the upgrade, and 
> > >>>if so, how should I do it?
> > >>>
> > >>>My primary driver for doing so would be to keep current enough that I'm 
> > >>>still getting security and other patches on a regular basis, and that I 
> > >>>can upgrade my applications from ports as necessary. If this is not an 
> > >>>issue, then my only remaining concern would be that it's usually easier 
> > >>>to get support on lists like this if you're running a modern version of 
> > >>>the OS (that's certainly the case with the OpenBSD folks).
> > >>>
> > >>>My primary concern with upgrading is that the box is in Portland, OR, 
> > >>>and I'm in Arlington, VA...and while the ISP is friendly, I doubt that 
> > >>>I could count on them for major system recovery if I botch something 
> > >>>during the upgrade. My other worry is that I don't want to break 
> > >>>existing apps if possible (the main one I'm concerned about is 
> > >>>Zope/Plone). This is a production box with moderate traffic, and it 
> > >>>would be a problem if there was extensive downtime.
> > >>>
> > >>>Is it worth upgrading? If so, what's the best way to do so -- CVSup, or 
> > >>>some other way? Are there any major caveats if I do choose to upgrade 
> > >>>(or choose to stay with the existing OS)?
> > >>You should if you can reasonably do it, for the reasons you give plus
> > >>improvements in performance and in some utilities.  
> > >>
> > >>My sentiment is usually to do a clean install over major version numbers. 
> > >>It tends to leave less dross laying around.  but I do not have to worry 
> > >>about down times very much, a couple of hours at night is not terribly
> > >>noticable in my stuff.  It does require more time down to do a clean 
> > >>from scratch install.   But, I think you can get away with a cvsup 
> > >>upgrade from 5.4 to 6.2.   Then your downtime is just the reboot and 
> > >>stuff at single user (mergemaster), plus probably some for upgrading 
> > >>various ports.
> > >
> > >Yes, a source upgrade from 5.x to 6.x (followed by portupgrade -fa)
> > >isn't too bad.  As with any upgrade you do need a recovery strategy
> > >though.
> > >
> > >Kris
> > 
> > I agree with both Kris and Jerry. Besides, if you run 6.2 you're running 
> > a supported version of FreeBSD whereas 5.4 isn't supported anymore (5.5 
> > is the last supported version in the legacy 5.x branch). Plus there are 
> > slight improvements from 5.x to 6.x.
> 
> s/slight/major/ ;)

Well sed.
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Re: Need a good Unix script that..

2007-03-14 Thread Bob Hall
On Wed, Mar 14, 2007 at 05:56:26AM -0400, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> Hello,
> 
> I'm trying to write a script to delete all line that include a certain 
> pattern in an output file. I sending information to one of our Security 
> people and they take this data and create a spreadsheet on the 
> information, I have a constant reoccurring lines within the output file 
> that they do not need. I'm trying to use the sed command to remove lines 
> that fits a certain pattern but it does not appear to remove anything.

It can probably be done with sed, but without knowing the specifics of
what you're doing, no one can give a meaningful opinion. I use sed,
grep, and awk all the time, but I can't tell you anything without seeing
your sed statement and a sample file. I'd recommend posting to a forum
where sed is a frequent topic and giving enough information to allow
someone to actually help you.

Someone somewhere maintains a sed FAQ along with a file of 100 sed
statements giving examples of various tasks. I can't remember the URL,
but googling will probably bring it up.

Bob Hall
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Re: List Protocol (was: Major Version Upgrade 4.11 to 5.x)

2006-12-12 Thread Bob Hall
On Tue, Dec 12, 2006 at 04:49:39PM -0800, Ted Mittelstaedt wrote:
> a young girl in a tank top and boobs out front 

Isn't that where the boobs are usually installed?

> Until then STFU you ungrateful bastards.  All you once were
> dumb newbies who didn't know FreeBSD from free beer, and
> I'll bet more than a few of you sent e-mail to questions, thinking
> it was an actual person who gave a damn.  Boy were you surprised!

That's exactly what happened to me, back in the time of FBSD 4.3.  And I
got a response from an actual knowledgeable person who gave a damn. The
only thing better would have been a young girl in a tank top and boobs
out front. 
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Re: Top behavior differences

2006-09-10 Thread Bob Hall
On Sun, Sep 10, 2006 at 06:04:04PM -0400, stan wrote:
> On Sun, Sep 10, 2006 at 11:57:05AM -0400, Bob Hall wrote:
> > On Sun, Sep 10, 2006 at 08:56:31AM -0400, stan wrote:
> > > Can someone explain to me why top's handling of multi processor
> > > status display is different on FreeBSD, than it is on Linux?
> > 
> > Open source started with the concept of individuals hacking the source
> > code to get the features they want. The commericial ideal of users paying
> > for features they want was replaced by the ideal of users doing the work
> > to create the features they want. Open source has evolved into the
> > concept of many users getting a free ride as a relatively small number
> > of open source programmers do the work for them, without pay. 
> > 
> > Possible reasons why open source software X doesn't have feature Y:
> > 
>  -- Long discussion of open source philosophy dleted ---
> 
> Once upon a time, when people posted on lists like this, they got 
> well reasoned technical answers.

They did if they asked for technical answers. What you actually asked,
if you'll read your own e-mail, is why FBSD doesn't display the
information the way Linux does. 
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Re: Top behavior differences

2006-09-10 Thread Bob Hall
On Sun, Sep 10, 2006 at 08:56:31AM -0400, stan wrote:
> Can someone explain to me why top's handling of multi processor
> status display is different on FreeBSD, than it is on Linux?

Open source started with the concept of individuals hacking the source
code to get the features they want. The commericial ideal of users paying
for features they want was replaced by the ideal of users doing the work
to create the features they want. Open source has evolved into the
concept of many users getting a free ride as a relatively small number
of open source programmers do the work for them, without pay. 

Possible reasons why open source software X doesn't have feature Y:

1) The people who created X weren't interested in feature Y. Since they
were doing unpaid work, they created the features they were interested
in.

2) The core code of X was written before the technological advance that
made feature Y useful, and no one has needed feature Y badly enough to
add it to X.

3) The creators of X didn't think of feature Y, and no one has gotten in
touch with the maintainers to suggest it.

4) Only one or two people want feature Y, and the amount of work
necessary to add it to X greatly exceeds the benefit of providing a
feature for one or two people. Also, no one has contacted the
maintainers of X to ask how much it would cost to change their minds
about this.

5) No one wants feature Y badly enough to devote the necessary free
time to learn the skills and do the work necessary to create it. Since
it's not high on anyone's list of things to do in their spare time,
everyone has chosen to wait until it moves to the top of someone else's
list of things to do in their spare time.
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Re: AND COBOL

2006-03-07 Thread Bob Hall
On Tue, Mar 07, 2006 at 04:33:05PM -0800, jdow wrote:
> From: "Kris Kennaway" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> 
> >Give the poor guy a break; he's a COBOL programmer, so he's used to
> >thinking and typing in all-caps :-)
> 
> And just think, both COBOL and AOL end in OL. I wonder if there is a
> relationship?

LOL? Or maybe I've ingested too much PHENOL and ETHENOL, or been exposed
to SOL without my PARASOL, or inhaled too much AEROSOL. I'm like TOPOL
up on the roof and my mind's gone AWOL out in the TYROL with a MONGOL.
I'll take some CALCIFEROL and call INTERPOL.

Ja, jeg sitter på en STOL og synes det var litt FRIVOL.

I couldn't figure out how to fit ALGOL in there. Ain't life a PISTOL?

I'm sorry. What was the question?
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Re: Crontab and GPG?

2005-10-26 Thread Bob Hall
On Wed, Oct 26, 2005 at 08:06:28PM -0400, Kris Kennaway wrote:
> On Wed, Oct 26, 2005 at 07:51:03PM -0400, Bob Hall wrote:
> > On Wed, Oct 26, 2005 at 12:31:44PM -0400, Kris Kennaway wrote:
> > > On Wed, Oct 26, 2005 at 11:23:29AM -0400, Bob Hall wrote:
> > > > On Wed, Oct 26, 2005 at 03:52:53AM -0400, Kris Kennaway wrote:
> > > > > On Tue, Oct 25, 2005 at 07:10:57PM -0400, Bob Hall wrote:
> > > > > > On Tue, Oct 25, 2005 at 03:00:18PM -0400, Kris Kennaway wrote:
> > > > > > > On Tue, Oct 25, 2005 at 02:45:02PM -0400, Bob Hall wrote:
> > > > > > > > On Tue, Oct 25, 2005 at 01:13:52PM -0500, Robert Wall wrote:
> > > > > > > > > Hello!  I'm attempting to run GPG from cron, and it's not 
> > > > > > > > > working.  I can run the script from the command line, and all 
> > > > > > > > > works perfectly.  When I try to run it from cron, however, it 
> > > > > > > > > doesn't work.  The crontab calls this script, called 
> > > > > > > > > "pgpdecrypt" with the following crontab line:
> > > > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > > */1*   *   *   *   root/bin/bash 
> > > > > > > > > /etc/pgpdecrypt
> > > > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > > The /bin/bash wasn't originally there; I added it to make 
> > > > > > > > > sure that the script was using the correct shell.  Still no 
> > > > > > > > > luck.  Here's the script that it calls:
> > > > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > > echo >> /etc/pgpdecrypt.logger "PGP Decrypter Starting"
> > > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > Take the "/bin/bash" out of your crontab. Put
> > > > > > > > #!/bin/bash
> > > > > > > > at the beginning of your script.
> > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > What do you think that will do to help?  It's a NOP, so it can't 
> > > > > > > fix
> > > > > > > the problem (which is because of bad assumptions about PATH, per 
> > > > > > > my
> > > > > > > other message).
> > > > > > 
> > > > > > Well, I don't know whether "#!" is a NOP or not. It does tell the 
> > > > > > script
> > > > > > which executable to use in executing the script.
> > > > > 
> > > > > Yeah, which he was already doing explicitly (see above) ;-)
> > > > 
> > > > Which is irrelevant. The fact is that if you put the path at the
> > > > beginning of the script, the script will run the same under cron as it
> > > > does under the shell you tested it with. If the OP had put "#!/bin/bash"
> > > > at the beginning of the script when he tested it, he would have been
> > > > able to debug it without being confused by the fact that it ran under
> > > > his shell and not under cron.
> > > 
> > > No, this was because his environment was not as he expected it to be
> > > when run from cron, as I've explained to you twice.  Just making the
> > > NOP change of adding #!/bin/bash when the script is already being run
> > > by /bin/bash will not affect the environment.
> > 
> > I doubt very much that putting the wrong path into the environmental
> > variables is going to help anything.
> 
> PATH does not include /usr/local when run from cron, and his script
> assumes that it does (it calls gpg not /usr/local/bin/gpg).

Then he can include it in his script. That's superior to creating a
potential security problem by giving cron more information than it
needs, particularly when cron is running as root. It's the script that
needs to know the location of gpg, not cron.
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Re: Crontab and GPG?

2005-10-26 Thread Bob Hall
On Wed, Oct 26, 2005 at 12:31:44PM -0400, Kris Kennaway wrote:
> On Wed, Oct 26, 2005 at 11:23:29AM -0400, Bob Hall wrote:
> > On Wed, Oct 26, 2005 at 03:52:53AM -0400, Kris Kennaway wrote:
> > > On Tue, Oct 25, 2005 at 07:10:57PM -0400, Bob Hall wrote:
> > > > On Tue, Oct 25, 2005 at 03:00:18PM -0400, Kris Kennaway wrote:
> > > > > On Tue, Oct 25, 2005 at 02:45:02PM -0400, Bob Hall wrote:
> > > > > > On Tue, Oct 25, 2005 at 01:13:52PM -0500, Robert Wall wrote:
> > > > > > > Hello!  I'm attempting to run GPG from cron, and it's not 
> > > > > > > working.  I can run the script from the command line, and all 
> > > > > > > works perfectly.  When I try to run it from cron, however, it 
> > > > > > > doesn't work.  The crontab calls this script, called "pgpdecrypt" 
> > > > > > > with the following crontab line:
> > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > */1*   *   *   *   root/bin/bash 
> > > > > > > /etc/pgpdecrypt
> > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > The /bin/bash wasn't originally there; I added it to make sure 
> > > > > > > that the script was using the correct shell.  Still no luck.  
> > > > > > > Here's the script that it calls:
> > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > echo >> /etc/pgpdecrypt.logger "PGP Decrypter Starting"
> > > > > > 
> > > > > > Take the "/bin/bash" out of your crontab. Put
> > > > > > #!/bin/bash
> > > > > > at the beginning of your script.
> > > > > 
> > > > > What do you think that will do to help?  It's a NOP, so it can't fix
> > > > > the problem (which is because of bad assumptions about PATH, per my
> > > > > other message).
> > > > 
> > > > Well, I don't know whether "#!" is a NOP or not. It does tell the script
> > > > which executable to use in executing the script.
> > > 
> > > Yeah, which he was already doing explicitly (see above) ;-)
> > 
> > Which is irrelevant. The fact is that if you put the path at the
> > beginning of the script, the script will run the same under cron as it
> > does under the shell you tested it with. If the OP had put "#!/bin/bash"
> > at the beginning of the script when he tested it, he would have been
> > able to debug it without being confused by the fact that it ran under
> > his shell and not under cron.
> 
> No, this was because his environment was not as he expected it to be
> when run from cron, as I've explained to you twice.  Just making the
> NOP change of adding #!/bin/bash when the script is already being run
> by /bin/bash will not affect the environment.

I doubt very much that putting the wrong path into the environmental
variables is going to help anything. As I explained in a section that you
deleted, you need to run "whereis bash" and get the correct path,
instead of "/bin/bash". Had he put "#!/bin/bash" at the beginning of
the script when he was testing it in his account shell, he probably
would have realized sooner than he was using the wrong path. Because he
was using bad practice, he didn't discover that there was a problem
until he switched to cron, at which point he thought the problem had
something to do with cron. Using bad practice didn't cause the error,
but it made it harder to diagnose the error.

Proper procedure:
1) Put "#!/usr/local/bin/bash" at the head of the script file (or whatever
the correct path to bash is on your system). If it will work,
"#!/bin/sh" is more portable.
2) Make your script executable by the user that cron will run as.
(Otherwise, you'll get a permission error.)
3) Put the path to your script in the crontab.

This is currently working for me, without changing cron's environment,
or mine.  
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Re: Crontab and GPG?

2005-10-26 Thread Bob Hall
On Wed, Oct 26, 2005 at 03:52:53AM -0400, Kris Kennaway wrote:
> On Tue, Oct 25, 2005 at 07:10:57PM -0400, Bob Hall wrote:
> > On Tue, Oct 25, 2005 at 03:00:18PM -0400, Kris Kennaway wrote:
> > > On Tue, Oct 25, 2005 at 02:45:02PM -0400, Bob Hall wrote:
> > > > On Tue, Oct 25, 2005 at 01:13:52PM -0500, Robert Wall wrote:
> > > > > Hello!  I'm attempting to run GPG from cron, and it's not working.  I 
> > > > > can run the script from the command line, and all works perfectly.  
> > > > > When I try to run it from cron, however, it doesn't work.  The 
> > > > > crontab calls this script, called "pgpdecrypt" with the following 
> > > > > crontab line:
> > > > > 
> > > > > */1*   *   *   *   root/bin/bash 
> > > > > /etc/pgpdecrypt
> > > > > 
> > > > > The /bin/bash wasn't originally there; I added it to make sure that 
> > > > > the script was using the correct shell.  Still no luck.  Here's the 
> > > > > script that it calls:
> > > > > 
> > > > > echo >> /etc/pgpdecrypt.logger "PGP Decrypter Starting"
> > > > 
> > > > Take the "/bin/bash" out of your crontab. Put
> > > > #!/bin/bash
> > > > at the beginning of your script.
> > > 
> > > What do you think that will do to help?  It's a NOP, so it can't fix
> > > the problem (which is because of bad assumptions about PATH, per my
> > > other message).
> > 
> > Well, I don't know whether "#!" is a NOP or not. It does tell the script
> > which executable to use in executing the script.
> 
> Yeah, which he was already doing explicitly (see above) ;-)

Which is irrelevant. The fact is that if you put the path at the
beginning of the script, the script will run the same under cron as it
does under the shell you tested it with. If the OP had put "#!/bin/bash"
at the beginning of the script when he tested it, he would have been
able to debug it without being confused by the fact that it ran under
his shell and not under cron. Because the script ran under his shell but
not under cron, he was deluded into thinking that the problem had to do
with cron, and so he was looking for the solution in the wrong place. 

For several different reasons, it's better to have the executable path
in the script instead of in the crontab. It's not that you can't get the
job to run that way, it's just bad practice.
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Re: Crontab and GPG?

2005-10-25 Thread Bob Hall
On Tue, Oct 25, 2005 at 03:00:18PM -0400, Kris Kennaway wrote:
> On Tue, Oct 25, 2005 at 02:45:02PM -0400, Bob Hall wrote:
> > On Tue, Oct 25, 2005 at 01:13:52PM -0500, Robert Wall wrote:
> > > Hello!  I'm attempting to run GPG from cron, and it's not working.  I can 
> > > run the script from the command line, and all works perfectly.  When I 
> > > try to run it from cron, however, it doesn't work.  The crontab calls 
> > > this script, called "pgpdecrypt" with the following crontab line:
> > > 
> > > */1*   *   *   *   root/bin/bash /etc/pgpdecrypt
> > > 
> > > The /bin/bash wasn't originally there; I added it to make sure that the 
> > > script was using the correct shell.  Still no luck.  Here's the script 
> > > that it calls:
> > > 
> > > echo >> /etc/pgpdecrypt.logger "PGP Decrypter Starting"
> > 
> > Take the "/bin/bash" out of your crontab. Put
> > #!/bin/bash
> > at the beginning of your script.
> 
> What do you think that will do to help?  It's a NOP, so it can't fix
> the problem (which is because of bad assumptions about PATH, per my
> other message).

Well, I don't know whether "#!" is a NOP or not. It does tell the script
which executable to use in executing the script.

But I did make a mistake. Try 
whereis bash
and use that path.

Bob Hall
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Re: Crontab and GPG?

2005-10-25 Thread Bob Hall
On Tue, Oct 25, 2005 at 01:13:52PM -0500, Robert Wall wrote:
> Hello!  I'm attempting to run GPG from cron, and it's not working.  I can run 
> the script from the command line, and all works perfectly.  When I try to run 
> it from cron, however, it doesn't work.  The crontab calls this script, 
> called "pgpdecrypt" with the following crontab line:
> 
> */1*   *   *   *   root/bin/bash /etc/pgpdecrypt
> 
> The /bin/bash wasn't originally there; I added it to make sure that the 
> script was using the correct shell.  Still no luck.  Here's the script that 
> it calls:
> 
> echo >> /etc/pgpdecrypt.logger "PGP Decrypter Starting"

Take the "/bin/bash" out of your crontab. Put
#!/bin/bash
at the beginning of your script.

I just looked at your script quickly, but it looks like it should run in
sh. For portability, you can use
#!/bin/sh

Bob Hall
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Re: Mutt weirdness

2005-10-04 Thread Bob Hall
On Tue, Oct 04, 2005 at 03:51:26PM -0700, Danny Howard wrote:
> On Tue, Oct 04, 2005 at 06:15:14PM -0400, Bob Hall wrote:
> > I did "portupgrade -ar" last night. When I tried to use mutt this 
> > morning, it was behaving weirdly. Mutt wasn't one of the upgrades.
> 
> I'm pretty sure this command isn't recursive:
> 
> 0-15:47 [EMAIL PROTECTED] /usr/ports/mail/mutt> make run-depends-list
> /usr/ports/converters/libiconv
> /usr/ports/devel/gettext
> /usr/ports/misc/mime-support
> /usr/ports/security/openssl

Thanks. The run-depends-list was the clue I needed. I added that to my
clue notebook. Downgraded openssl and all is well.  
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Mutt weirdness

2005-10-04 Thread Bob Hall
I did "portupgrade -ar" last night. When I tried to use mutt this 
morning, it was behaving weirdly. Mutt wasn't one of the upgrades.


Anything involving the display at the bottom of the mutt screen doesn't 
work. If I type "c" to change the mailbox, nothing happens. If I type 
"d", I can mark a mail for deletion, but I can't quit mutt because 
quitting requires a message at the bottom of the screen asking if I want 
to delete the messages marked for deletion. Typing "y" has no effect. I 
have to unmark the mail in order to quit.


I'm using 5.2.1. A list of the updated ports follows. I have no idea 
which one's may be causing the problem.


XFree86-Server-4.5.0_1  <  needs updating (port has 4.5.0_3)
docbook-xsl-1.68.1  <  needs updating (port has 1.69.1)
gd-2.0.33_1,1   <  needs updating (port has 2.0.33_2,1)
gtk-2.6.8   <  needs updating (port has 2.6.10_1)
libwmf-0.2.8.3  <  needs updating (port has 0.2.8.4)
libxml2-2.6.21  <  needs updating (port has 2.6.22)
netpbm-10.26.14 <  needs updating (port has 10.26.16)
openssl-0.9.7g  <  needs updating (port has 0.9.8)
p5-Compress-Zlib-1.37   <  needs updating (port has 1.39)
p5-Digest-1.10  <  needs updating (port has 1.12)
p5-MIME-Tools-5.417,2   <  needs updating (port has 5.418,2)
p5-Scalar-List-Utils-1.14,1  <  needs updating (port has 1.17,1)
p5-Test-Simple-0.60 <  needs updating (port has 0.61)
p5-Time-HiRes-1.72,1<  needs updating (port has 1.74,1)
pure-ftpd-1.0.20_3  <  needs updating (port has 1.0.20_4)
t1lib-5.0.1,1   <  needs updating (port has 5.1.0,1)
tiff-3.7.3  <  needs updating (port has 3.7.4)
tightvnc-1.2.9  <  needs updating (port has 1.2.9_1)
unzip-5.52_1<  needs updating (port has 5.52_2)
xterm-204   <  needs updating (port has 205_1)

I've tried googling for "mutt" and "bottom of screen", which is all I 
can think of, but no luck.


Thanks in advance for any suggestions.
Bob Hall
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Re: ct Re: NMAP probing of network ports

2005-09-16 Thread Bob Hall
On Fri, Sep 16, 2005 at 07:36:36AM -0500, Boris Karloff wrote:
> It appears that when FreeBSD is sent an invalid packet
> without the SYN or ACK bits set, it responds with a RESET
> reply regardless of the ipfw rules. It appears this is one
> of the things nmap is exploiting.
> 
> Any suggestions on how to modify this behavior?

man blackhole
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Re: Can I do this?

2005-09-15 Thread Bob Hall
On Thu, Sep 15, 2005 at 10:05:12PM -0400, Lisa Casey wrote:
> What's the quickest & easiest way to change the IP address on the new 5.3
> box? Should I do it via /stand/sysinstall or should I change it in
> /etc/rc.conf and /etc/hosts (or do I need to do something with ifconfig -
> which I'm least comfortable with).

Make the changes in rc.conf so that the box will be configured correctly
then next time it is rebooted. To change the address without rebooting,
you'll have to use ifconfig. Do
ifconfig -a
to get the device, e.g. xl0. Then do
ifconfig xl0 192.168.2.1
changing 'xl0' to your device and '192.168.2.1' to your address.
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Re: DHCP assigned unregistered IP address

2005-07-15 Thread Bob Hall
On Fri, Jul 15, 2005 at 07:14:52PM +0100, Alex Zbyslaw wrote:
> Also if the 4100 can't reach the DHCP server, the green lights won't 
> ever all come on, so it's pretty obvious when there is a fault.  Of 
> course, that might be because the local DHCP server has been turned off ;-)

In this case, the green lights were on. It seems as though the failure
to contact the DHCP server was only momentary, but just long enough to
ensure that my gateway box was assigned an unregistered IP address by
the modem. The order of events was roughly
1) DHCP server off line
2) Modem fails to contact server
3) Modem assigns unregistered IP address to FBSD box.
4) DHCP server comes back on line
5) I check modem lights, which are all green, since the modem
   can now communicate with the server.
 
> >was new, and generally the techs can distinguish between their cloacal
> >anatomy and a geophysical excavation.
> >
> two types of techs.  The ones for whom their cloacal anatomy is 
> indistinguishable from their articulatio cubiti, and the ones who 

Damn. Trumped by medical Latin. I hate it when that happens. :)
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Re: DHCP assigned unregistered IP address

2005-07-15 Thread Bob Hall
On Fri, Jul 15, 2005 at 11:38:07AM +0100, Alex Zbyslaw wrote:
> Bob Hall wrote:
> 
> >The modem web page contained this:
> > The SURFboard cable modem can be used as a gateway to the
> > Internet by a maximum of 32 users on a Local Area Network (LAN).
> > When the Cable Modem is disconnected from the Internet, users on
> > the LAN can be dynamically assigned IP Addresses by the Cable
> > 
> >
> On the SB4100, the "Enable DHCP" checkbox is right above this blurb.

Yes, I've seen screen shots with it. The SB5100 has no checkbox.
 
> However, note the "When the Cable Modem is disconnected from the 
> Internet..." so the only reason it should be handing you the local IP is 
> if it cannot talk back to the DHCP server it gets your real IP from.  If 

Yea, that's pretty obvious. It's also pretty undesirable. Apparently,
Motorola decided the checkbox was confusing and removed it, replacing it
with this automatic behavior. Blea.

> it happens again, you might want to talk to your provider to find out 
> *why*.  Does this thing have any flashing lights on the front?

There are LEDs, but they didn't indicate anything was wrong. There have
been many reboots over the time I've been with this ISP, and this is the
only time this happened. I'm not going to demand an explanation for a
fluke. A better question is why the tech I talked to told me that the
unregistered IP address wasn't a problem. But she did tell me that she
was new, and generally the techs can distinguish between their cloacal
anatomy and a geophysical excavation.
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Re: DHCP assigned unregistered IP address

2005-07-14 Thread Bob Hall
Thanks for all the replies. Responses to everyone's comments and
suggestions:

1) It is a Motorola cable modem. (SB5100)

2) I can access 192.168.100.1 after modifying the firewall rules that
stop RFC1918 nets on the outside interface. (IPFW) There's no checkbox
to disable DHCP. I downloaded the modem user manual from the URL Glenn
Dawson posted, but I didn't find anything on this problem.

3) I did the (shutdown, disconnect modem 30 seconds, reboot) cycle about
three times, but it didn't do anything. The solution was
# dhclient -r
# dhclient rl0
Repeat until oip != 192.168.100.11. (I think it took four iterations,
but I wasn't counting.) This cleared the IP address on both the inner
and outer NICs. Maybe I should have specified the interface with the -r
flag, but it was easy to fix. 

4) The problem was solved by the time I saw the dig suggestion, so I
didn't have a chance to try it.

5) Bill was paid on time. :)

The modem web page contained this:
The SURFboard cable modem can be used as a gateway to the
Internet by a maximum of 32 users on a Local Area Network (LAN).
When the Cable Modem is disconnected from the Internet, users on
the LAN can be dynamically assigned IP Addresses by the Cable
Modem DHCP Server.
I take this to mean that the modem can't do NAT. It can only act as a
gateway for registered IP addresses, which it can't assign.

The config web page has two buttons:
Reset All Defaults
Restart Cable Modem
I can't find any documentation on the second. Would "Restart Cable
Modem" be equivalent to disconnecting the modem power for 30 seconds?
And "Reset All Defaults" would have released the unregistered IP
address? (Along with any other settings)

How do I find the outward facing IP address for the cable modem? Is
that the "option routers" line in dhclient.leases?
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DHCP assigned unregistered IP address

2005-07-13 Thread Bob Hall
Tonight, during a thunderstorm, I shutdown the household FBSD internet
gateway. After the storm passed, I booted it up again, only to discover
that during the bootup, my ISP's DHCP server had assigned me a new IP
address. That wasn't a problem in itself, but the new address was
192.168.100.11, an unregistered address.

The result was that I could ping my ISP's DHCP server, but I couldn't do
anything that required a URL. When I talked to a tech at my ISP, she
couldn't see my modem. She insisted that the IP address wasn't a
problem because I had a router. (Huh?) After she scheduled a visit from
a tech for tomorrow and I hung up, I released the lease on the
unregistered address a few times until the DHCP server gave me a new,
registered address. Magically, everthing worked again. When I cancel the
tech visit tomorrow, I'll have them check to see if they can see my
modem again. Obviously, the unregistered IP address screwed up my system
and theirs.

My understanding, after extensive reading, is that the unregistered
address could only have come from my ISP's DHCP server. However, I don't
know why they would have assigned an IP address that screwed up their
systems and mine. I'm wondering if dhclient could have assigned this
address to itself if it encountered a problem during bootup. I don't
believe this could happen, but I don't understand why my ISP would shoot
itself (and me) in the foot.

Does anyone know enough about dhclient to say definitely whether it
could have been the culprit?  Anybody with enough experience with ISPs
to say why they would have assigned an unregistered IP address that
broke both systems?
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Re: perl-after-upgrade

2005-07-07 Thread Bob Hall
On Thu, Jul 07, 2005 at 01:53:48PM -0500, Paul Schmehl wrote:
> --On Thursday, July 07, 2005 14:39:44 -0400 Bob Hall <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> 
> wrote:
> >
> >As I stated above, I used portupgrade. That means that any messages at
> >the end of the perl upgrade scrolled off the screen and out of the
> >screen buffer when portupgrade carried out the next install. One of the
> >problems with portupgrade is that you rarely see the post-upgrade
> >messages when you do batch upgrades.
> >
> That's an easily solved problem.  After you finish portupgrade, view the 
> pkg-message file in any port you have a question about.  E.g. % view 
> /usr/ports/lang/perl5.8/pkg-message

Aha. The instructions in the post-install message are not repeated in
the perldoc page. And the message does suggest using "rehash". Thanks.
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Re: perl-after-upgrade

2005-07-07 Thread Bob Hall
On Thu, Jul 07, 2005 at 06:55:58PM +0200, legalois wrote:
> Bob Hall wrote:
> >I don't know squat about perl. I recently ran portupgrade, which
> >upgraded perl. Goose stopped working, because the location for Curses.pm
> >was no longer in @INC. I tried to run perl-after-upgrade, but I couldn't
> >get it to run. I've got a book that said to use
> > # perl perl-after-upgrade
> >or
> > # ./perl-after-upgrade
> >I also tried just
> > # perl-after-upgrade
> >No joy. Just for the heck of it, I tried 
> > * sh perl-after-upgrade
> >and dang if it didn't run. It didn't look to me like an sh script, but
> >what do I know? It wasn't supposed to change anything without the -f
> >option, but goose ran afterward, so it obviously changed things. I
> >looked for Curses.pm, and it moved to a directory listed in @INC.
> >
> >Anybody have any advice? Comments? How was I supposed to get
> >perl-after-upgrade to run?
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> 
> A longish message appears at the end of the perl upgrade build, that 
> explains how to run perl-after-upgrade. 

As I stated above, I used portupgrade. That means that any messages at
the end of the perl upgrade scrolled off the screen and out of the
screen buffer when portupgrade carried out the next install. One of the
problems with portupgrade is that you rarely see the post-upgrade
messages when you do batch upgrades.

> If you overlooked that, the same 
> instructions are at
> #perldoc perl-after-upgrade

That's identical to the man page, which didn't supply any information
that helped. So if the man page, perldoc page, and post-install message
were the same, none of them contained the information I needed.

> If the script is in a directory not in your root's path, find the full 
> path to the script with
> #locate perl-after-upgrade
> (but make sure your locate db is up-to-date, first).

As I stated above, I tried "./perl-after-upgrade" and I looked at the
script, neither of which would have been possible if I didn't know where
the script was.

As I mentioned in my followup post, I solved the problem with "rehash".
A mention of this in /usr/ports/UPDATING would help those of use who
rarely use tcsh unless we need to run something as root. Also in the man
page. Any situation that requires perl-after-upgrade probably also
requires rehash.

I found the solution at 
http://marc.theaimsgroup.com/?l=freebsd-ports&m=111980508717308&w=2
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Re: perl-after-upgrade

2005-07-06 Thread Bob Hall
On Wed, Jul 06, 2005 at 03:10:04PM -0400, Bob Hall wrote:
> I don't know squat about perl. I recently ran portupgrade, which
> upgraded perl. Goose stopped working, because the location for Curses.pm
> was no longer in @INC. I tried to run perl-after-upgrade, but I couldn't
> get it to run.

I found a thread on this in freebsd-ports. I tried "rehash" and all
seems to be well. The three apps modified when running perl-after-upgrade
as an sh script seem to function OK. 
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perl-after-upgrade

2005-07-06 Thread Bob Hall
I don't know squat about perl. I recently ran portupgrade, which
upgraded perl. Goose stopped working, because the location for Curses.pm
was no longer in @INC. I tried to run perl-after-upgrade, but I couldn't
get it to run. I've got a book that said to use
# perl perl-after-upgrade
or
# ./perl-after-upgrade
I also tried just
# perl-after-upgrade
No joy. Just for the heck of it, I tried 
* sh perl-after-upgrade
and dang if it didn't run. It didn't look to me like an sh script, but
what do I know? It wasn't supposed to change anything without the -f
option, but goose ran afterward, so it obviously changed things. I
looked for Curses.pm, and it moved to a directory listed in @INC.

Anybody have any advice? Comments? How was I supposed to get
perl-after-upgrade to run?
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Re: Linux move to FreeBSD (Beastie vs Penguin)

2005-07-06 Thread Bob Hall
On Tue, Jul 05, 2005 at 11:43:07PM -0700, Ted Mittelstaedt wrote:
> 30 years from now they will probably try for bestiality marriage

Beastie getting married? Be still my heart!
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Re: Linux move to FreeBSD

2005-07-03 Thread Bob Hall
On Mon, Jul 04, 2005 at 01:02:33AM +0400, Dmitry Mityugov wrote:
> I am, personally, currently helping my friend to buy and configure a
> computer for him and his family. Although I know FreeBSD better than
> Linux (and this does not mean I am a FreeBSD guru), I'll be installing
> something like Ubuntu on that machine, not FreeBSD, because my friend
> and his family are religious men.

There are plenty of devout Christians using FreeBSD without any problem.
The belief that guys with red skin, horns, pointy tails, and pitchforks
represent the devil is a European superstition, not a Christian
doctrine. There's no support for it in the Bible or the writings of the
church fathers.
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Lilypond and LaTeX

2005-06-01 Thread Bob Hall
I haven't used Lilypond since last fall. Running the current port
(lilypond-2.2.2) today, I get the following error message:

*
lilypond: error: LaTeX failed on the output file.
lilypond: error: The error log is as follows:

! Undefined control sequence.
 \kern 098.0248\outputscale \embeddedps
  {000.0650 000.0650
-00.187...
l.164 }
   %
The control sequence
LATEX output to `chorosClaves.latex'...
TEX output to `chorosClaves.tex'...
***

The ly file is one that I've run Lilypond on before, without problem.

None of this means anything to me. I searched the archives but didn't
see a bug report or any discussion of this problem. Is this a bug in the
port? 
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Re: Where's the grammar: hostname nor servname provided, or not known

2005-05-28 Thread Bob Hall
On Sat, May 28, 2005 at 04:13:52PM -0500, Fafa Hafiz Krantz wrote:
> 
> Hello!
> 
> Can someone please change this in the source:
> 
>hostname nor servname provided, or not known

That's a bit archaic, but perfectly correct. See the most recent edition
of Fowler's.
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Re: MySQL Server died yesterday !

2005-04-20 Thread Bob Hall
On Wed, Apr 20, 2005 at 12:14:19PM +0100, Graham Bentley wrote:
> Hello All !
> 
> I made quite a few changes to my system recently
> but havent touched any MySQL specific stuff.
> 
> When I came to check my forum it was dead
> with an unable to connect error :(
> 
> This is in the logs and is recorded every
> time I reboot or start manaully with
> 
> /usr/local/etc/rc.d/mysql-server.sh start
> 
> 12:05:43  mysqld started
> 12:05:44  InnoDB: Started
> 12:05:44  Fatal error: Can't open privilege tables: Table 'mysql.host' 
> doesn't exist
> 12:05:44  Aborting
> 12:05:44  InnoDB: Starting shutdown...
> 12:05:46  InnoDB: Shutdown completed
> 12:05:46  /usr/local/libexec/mysqld: Shutdown Complete
> 
> I have googled on this and read various sections of
> the MySQl manual but cant seem to nail it - nothing seem specific
> to my issue.
> 
> Some links suggested reinitialising my DB but
> am not sure how to go about that.

This is a very MySQL specific question. You should post it to the MySQL
mailing list. 

It's been a while since I used MySQL. The host table is in the MySQL
database. There should be a directory called data, or something similar,
and inside that there is a directory called mysql, and inside that there
is a file called host, which contains the host table. Or at least,
that's what I remember. Either that file is missing, or the system
permissions on it have changed, or MySQL has changed access privileges
on it. Or something. Check to make sure that it is there, and has the
correct system permissions (ls -l). If it's not there, you may have to
back up all your tables and reinstall. Or you may be able to reinstall
just the host table. Further questions should go to a MySQL mailing
list.

Bob Hall
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Re: messages from dhclient

2005-04-17 Thread Bob Hall
On Sun, Apr 17, 2005 at 02:50:05PM +0200, Joost van Dijk wrote:
> On Sunday 17 April 2005 14:17, Bob Hall wrote:
> > 
> > My solution is in the archives, here:
> > 
> http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/htdig/freebsd-questions/2005-January/071412.html
> > Again, I can't promise that it will solve your problem.
> > 
> > Bob Hall
> 
> I had a look at the document, but I am afraid that this is all way above my 
> head. This may also explain why my csvup..FreeBSD.org was finding 
> nothing. Not one single host I tried could be found up and running. It seems 
> that all FreeBSD servers were down. It is probably the firewall which is 
> disabling my machine. I shall see if it is possible to turn it off. 
> 
> Now, it will probably take me 6 hours to find out how to do that. Whew!

Don't turn off the firewall.

Look in /var/db/dhclient.leases, and find the entry for routers. If your
ISP is set up like mine, there will be only one IP address for a router
listed. Put the following rule before any NAT diverts in your firewall,
if you're using NAT. That's important, because IPFW ignores it if it is
placed after a divert rule. 

${fwcmd} add allow udp from ${router} bootps to ${bcast} bootpc in via ${oif}

Replace ${router} with the router IP address. Replace ${bcast} with
255.255.255.255. If I recall correctly, you load new firewall rules by
uttering
rc.firewall
assuming that "rc.firewall" contains the firewall rules that you are
using. /etc/rc.firewall contains the default rules for IPFW. I recommend
making a backup copy of /etc/rc.firewall before making any changes.

If that works, then you have diagnosed the problem and you can worry
about a more conplicated set of rules. If it doesn't work, then you
haven't found the cause of your problem.

BTW, the firewall rule above is not an obvious test, but it opens a hole
in your firewall for a packet that dhclient expects to get periodically.
When it doesn't get it, it starts trying to send the messages that your
firewall is blocking. Just allowing dhclient to send the messages won't
necessarily solve the problem. It will just make the immediate symptom
go away.

Another test, which I don't recommend, is to set your firewall so that
it defaults to allow. If the messages go away, then your firewall rules
are blocking traffic that dhclient needs.

HTH,
Bob Hall 
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Re: messages from dhclient

2005-04-17 Thread Bob Hall
On Sun, Apr 17, 2005 at 01:04:48PM +0200, Joost van Dijk wrote:
> Hello, 
> 
> I have installed dhcp to get my FreeBSD system on line, a machine which I am 
> trying to set up as a web server. I used sysinstall and it seems to work 
> correctly (this e-mail is coming from my Linux workstation). However, when 
> working on the FreeBSD machine I keep getting the following message: 
>  dhclient: send_packet: permission denied.
> What does this mean? I cannot find a reference to it in the man files.
> It is a nuisance. When I am editing a config file with vi, this message get 
> written into the file, and over cofig file lines. How can I turn it off. 

I vaguely recall that this can have more than one cause, and therefore
more than one solution. That's just a vague recollection. In my case, it
was caused by interaction between dhc protocol and my firewall. YMMV. My
Internet connection worked fine for months at a time, aside from a flood
of "send_packet: permission denied" messages. Then I would have a day or
two of periodic outages, and then I'd lose the connection completely and
have to reboot the cable modem.  When the connection was reestablished,
I'd have a new IP address.

My solution is in the archives, here:
http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/htdig/freebsd-questions/2005-January/071412.html
Again, I can't promise that it will solve your problem.

Bob Hall
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Re: Outgoing port 113 connections

2005-04-04 Thread Bob Hall
On Mon, Apr 04, 2005 at 11:46:26AM -0700, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> My firewall keeps reporting that it denies outgoing 113 port
> connections.
> 
> Why would I allow port 113 outgoing connections?  I don't seem to have
> any problems at the moment.
> 
> Also, how would I identify which program is trying to connect to 113
> port?

I think the first step is
grep 113 /etc/services
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Re: samba ldap

2005-02-28 Thread Bob Hall
On Mon, Feb 28, 2005 at 11:56:49AM +0100, Florian Hengstberger wrote:
> Disabled by default? Sorry, but I've never specified any
> ldap options in my smb.conf but the server always tries
> to authentificate the users with an ldap server.

With or without LDAP compiled in, Samba shouldn't be asking for LDAP
unless you specified it in smb.conf. Look in smb.conf and post the
"passdb backend" setting.

I played with LDAP for a while, so I have
;   passdb backend = ldapsam
The semicolon makes the line inactive. My installation uses tdbsam by
default.

HTH
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Re: Firefox configuration problem

2005-02-18 Thread Bob Hall
On Fri, Feb 18, 2005 at 06:04:24PM -0500, Mike Hauber wrote:
> On Friday 18 February 2005 04:42 pm, Bob Hall wrote:
> > uname -a
> > FreeBSD kongemord.krig.net 5.2.1-RELEASE FreeBSD 5.2.1-RELEASE
> > #0: Mon Sep 13 00:17:04 EDT 2004
> > [EMAIL PROTECTED]:/usr/obj/usr/src/sys/KONGEMORD0  i386
> >
> > Port:   firefox-1.0_7,1
> >
> > Firefox can't write to its configuration files when I make
> > changes. I can manually edit them. The bookmark and prefs.js
> > files are both owned by the same user that runs Firefox.
> >
> > I had no problems with previous versions of Firefox. Version 1
> > works fine on Windows.
> >
> > I've googled and searched the mail archives but I can't find
> > anything on this.
> 
> Have you tried rm'ing ~/.mozilla/firefox?  I seem to remember 
> running into that after an upgrade a while back, but I don't 
> remember what I did to solve it (I do remember deleting the 
> directory and letting firefox recreate it, though).
> 
> As a side note, don't forget to backup/export your bookmarks.  
> That's something I _didn't_ do.  :)

Thanks. I tried deleting just the config file and bookmark file, but
that didn't work. Deleting the entire .mozilla directory (after backing
up) did the trick.

Bob
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Firefox configuration problem

2005-02-18 Thread Bob Hall
uname -a 
FreeBSD kongemord.krig.net 5.2.1-RELEASE FreeBSD 5.2.1-RELEASE
#0: Mon Sep 13 00:17:04 EDT 2004
[EMAIL PROTECTED]:/usr/obj/usr/src/sys/KONGEMORD0  i386

Port:   firefox-1.0_7,1

Firefox can't write to its configuration files when I make changes. I
can manually edit them. The bookmark and prefs.js files are both owned
by the same user that runs Firefox.

I had no problems with previous versions of Firefox. Version 1 works
fine on Windows.

I've googled and searched the mail archives but I can't find anything on
this.
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Re: Please don't change Beastie to another logo such asNetBSD!!!

2005-02-17 Thread Bob Hall
On Thu, Feb 17, 2005 at 09:36:36AM -0500, Bob Johnson wrote:
> Ted Mittelstaedt wrote:
> >
> 
> 
> >>Only my personal experience.  In addition to not being
> >>comfortable with
> >>the BSD logo, a couple of the programmers here didn't like my
> >>Ouija-board mouse pad, because they associated it with the occult, and
> >>thus The Devil.
> >>
> >>
> >
> >
> >Man, you must have a hell of a lot of fun with these people.  What
> >do they do when you start citing biblical verses that blow the
> >crap out of their preconceptions?
> >
> >Ted
> >
> 
> I learned years ago that it is a waste of time.  They just say it 
> doesn't apply because .
> 
> And I thought the Ouija-board mouse pad was one of the funniest things 
> I've ever seen.

http://www.greystoneinn.net/d/20010104.html
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Re: distrubuting distro

2005-02-02 Thread Bob Hall
On Wed, Feb 02, 2005 at 02:22:38PM +0100, Erik Trulsson wrote:
> It has been widely alleged (and is even likely) that Windows got large
> parts of the TCP/IP implementation from some BSD implementation, but so
> far no proof has appeared.

Actually, MS admitted to it. From Win2k on, much of the TCP/IP stack
comes from FreeBSD.

http://64.233.161.104/search?q=cache:anQ7meaPIZgJ:www.my-opensource.org/lists/myoss/2001-06/msg00031.html+Microsoft+freebsd+tcp/ip+hotmail+dns+hosting+zdnet&hl=en
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Re: How do I do a COLD Reboot on FreeBSD?

2005-02-01 Thread Bob Hall
This may help.

http://www.faqs.org/faqs/assembly-language/x86/general/part3/section-5.html

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Re: dhclient stops trying to get a new lease

2005-01-28 Thread Bob Hall
On Fri, Jan 28, 2005 at 10:58:56PM +0100, Nicolas wrote:
> Why did it stopped trying ? What should I do to tell him to try forever 
> until it can acquire a lease ?

That's set in dhclient.leases, in the expire setting. Look in 
man dhclient.leases
In my case, expire is set by my ISP, as part of the lease. You may be
able to set it a century into the future by setting up a permanent
lease. I've never tried it, so I don't know.

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Re: Backups / Dump etc

2005-01-14 Thread Bob Hall
On Fri, Jan 14, 2005 at 12:30:49PM -0800, Tabor Kelly wrote:
> Jeff MacDonald wrote:
> 
> 
> 
> On a related note:
> 
> If I want to do complete dumps of all of my file systems do I need to be 
> in single user mode? Will running in multiuser mode (with all of my 
> normal daemons running) mess up my dumps?

Use the -L flag

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Re: Hosts.allow and netatalk/cups

2005-01-11 Thread Bob Hall
On Tue, Jan 11, 2005 at 02:31:47AM -0500, Bob Hall wrote:
> Three questions:
> 
> How do I cause changes in the hosts.allow file to take effect without
> rebooting? Everything I've seen says to restart inetd, but I'm not using
> inetd.

I searched with different keywords and found the answer to this in the
archives. Searching the archives, Googling, and experimentation still
haven't turned up an answer to the two below.
 
> How do I compile netatalk without CUPS? I don't see any obvious
> switches, but there has to be something that tells Make to use CUPS,
> because it gives a message saying that it's checking if CUPS can be
> included.
> 
> How do I get netatalk to use the dbd cnid scheme? It ignores the 
>   path   name cnidscheme:dbd
> setting in AppleVolumes.default and the 
>   - -cnidserver localhost:4700
> setting in afpd.conf. Regardless of what the cnidscheme setting is, it
> announces that's there's no cnid scheme selected and uses the default.
> 
> Bob Hall
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Re: Hosts.allow and netatalk/cups

2005-01-11 Thread Bob Hall
On Tue, Jan 11, 2005 at 02:37:23PM +0700, Olivier Nicole wrote:
> To my knowledge, the effects in /etc/hosts.allow are immediate as soon
> as you save the modified file.
> 
> And I have been using it that way for many years.
> 
> No need to killall -HUP inetd, no need to reboot.
> 
> If after a change the service is still not available:
> 
> - you did not allow the right thing
> 
> - the servcie would not be working even without tcp wrapper
> 
> Try to add ALL : ALL : allow at the top of /etc/hosts/allow. Does the
> service work? Then you made a mistake when trying to open tcp wrapper
> for that specific service. Else the problem is not with tcp wrapper /
> hosts.allow.

Thanks for the comments, but changes to /etc/hosts.allow don't take
effect until the system is rebooted. And when the system is rebooted,
they definitely take effect.

Two entries that take effect if and only if the system is rebooted:
smbd : .krig.net : allow
afpd : .krig.net : allow
Commenting these out and saving the file has no effect. Rebooting the
system stops Windows and Mac file sharing. Uncommenting them and saving
the file has no effect. Rebooting the system restores Windows and Mac
file sharing.

uname -a
FreeBSD kongemord.krig.net 5.2.1-RELEASE FreeBSD 5.2.1-RELEASE #0: Mon Sep 13 
00 :17:04 EDT 2004 kongemord.krig.net:/usr/obj/usr/src/sys/KONGEMORD0  i386

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Hosts.allow and netatalk/cups

2005-01-10 Thread Bob Hall
Three questions:

How do I cause changes in the hosts.allow file to take effect without
rebooting? Everything I've seen says to restart inetd, but I'm not using
inetd.

How do I compile netatalk without CUPS? I don't see any obvious
switches, but there has to be something that tells Make to use CUPS,
because it gives a message saying that it's checking if CUPS can be
included.

How do I get netatalk to use the dbd cnid scheme? It ignores the 
path   name cnidscheme:dbd
setting in AppleVolumes.default and the 
- -cnidserver localhost:4700
setting in afpd.conf. Regardless of what the cnidscheme setting is, it
announces that's there's no cnid scheme selected and uses the default.

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Re: dhclient: send_packet: Permission denied

2005-01-10 Thread Bob Hall
On Sat, Jan 08, 2005 at 08:25:39PM -0500, Bob Hall wrote:
> I keep getting the message
>   dhclient: send_packet: Permission denied

This stopped when I added 
${fwcmd} add allow udp from ${router} bootps to ${bcast} bootpc
in via ${oif}
to my rule set.

My dhclient was broadcasting packets but the firewall wasn't letting the
broadcast responses from the router in. Once dhclient could read the
responses (which included the DHCP server address), it stopped trying to
send the packets that were being blocked.

I'm using a modified version of the SIMPLE rule set for IPFW. If the
DHCP rules are anywhere after the NAT divert rule, they are never
triggered. Something else is denying or allowing the DHCP packets. This
doesn't make any sense to me, but I moved the DHCP rules to the
beginning of the rule set and all is well.

For anyone who's interested, here's the rules I added to handle DHCP
packets. They allow direct traffic between my host (oip) and the DHCP
server (dhcps), and between oip and the subnet router (router). They
also allow broadcast packets from dhcps, router, and oip, provided they
come from and are directed to the correct bootp ports. These rules
should follow the "setup_loopback" call, unless you explicity assign
rule numbers.

In addition, dhcps sends an echo request to an address before assigning
it, to check if it's already in use. Since I don't honor echo requests,
I added two rules to to respond to dhcps's echo requests. A DHCP client
should should double check before accepting an IP address by sending an
ARP packet, but it's not required and doesn't always happen. My ISP
changed my IP address while I was testing this because I failed to
respond to the server's echo request and the client that got my old
address didn't check to see if it was in use. 


## DHCP server IP address
#
search_text="dhcp-server-identifier"
file_path=`ls /var/db/dhclient.leases`
if [ -z `echo ${file_path} | grep 'No such file or directory'` ]
then
dhcps=`grep ${search_text} ${file_path} | sed 's/.* \([0-9.]*\);/\1/'`
fi
if [ -z "${dhcps}" ]
then
dhcps="any"
fi


## DHCP router IP address
#
if [ -z `echo ${file_path} | grep 'No such file or directory'` ]
then
# If > 1 router is listed, get the last one. 
router=`grep "routers" ${file_path} | sed 's/.*[^0-9.]\([0-9.]*\);/\1/'`
fi
if [ -z "${router}" ]
then
router="any"
fi

## Broadcast address
bcast="255.255.255.255"

#
## DHCP section (Immediately following "setup_loopback")
##
${fwcmd} add allow udp from ${dhcps} bootps to ${oip} bootpc in via ${oif}
${fwcmd} add allow udp from ${oip} bootpc to ${dhcps} bootps out via ${oif}
${fwcmd} add allow udp from ${router} bootps to ${oip} bootpc in via ${oif}
${fwcmd} add allow udp from ${oip} bootpc to ${router} bootps out via ${oif}
${fwcmd} add allow udp from ${dhcps} bootps to ${bcast} bootpc in via ${oif}
${fwcmd} add allow udp from ${router} bootps to ${bcast} bootpc in via ${oif}
${fwcmd} add allow udp from ${oip} bootps to ${bcast} bootpc out via ${oif}

###
## ICMP section
##
...
${fwcmd} add pass log icmp from ${dhcps} to ${oip} icmptype 8 in via ${oif}
${fwcmd} add pass log icmp from ${oip} to ${dhcps} icmptype 0 out via ${oif}

Bob
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Re: I quit

2005-01-09 Thread Bob Hall
On Sun, Jan 09, 2005 at 06:17:36PM -0600, Scott Bennett wrote:
>  On Sun, 9 Jan 2005 08:54:55 -0600 Andrew L. Gould <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> wrote:
> 
> >Mac OSX is based upon FreeBSD and may have native versions of the 
> 
>  Mac OSX was--and unless something has changed drastically in the last
> few weeks, still is--based upon NextStep, another proprietary UNIX that was
> based upon a Mach 2.4-2.5 kernel and 4.3BSD above that.

>From http://developer.apple.com/unix/:
Specifically, it is based in part on BSD 4.4 Lite. On a system
level, many of the design decisions are made to align with
BSD-style UNIX systems. Most libraries and utilities are from
FreeBSD (http://www.freebsd.org/), but some are derived from 
NetBSD (http://www.netbsd.org/). For future development, Mac OS X 
has adopted FreeBSD as a reference code base for BSD technology. 
Work is ongoing to more closely synchronize all BSD tools and 
libraries with the FreeBSD-stable branch..

Your statements applied to the original OSX. It has shifted to 4.4BSD,
Mach 3, and FBSD during the course of development, with lots of
contributions from Net and OpenBSD. The changes didn't happen in the
last few weeks. They happened continuously during the system's
development.
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Re: dhclient: send_packet: Permission denied

2005-01-08 Thread Bob Hall
I keep getting the message
dhclient: send_packet: Permission denied
 
I try 
sockstat | grep dhclient
and get
root dhclient   247   4  udp4   *:68  *:*
root dhclient   247   6  dgram  -> /var/run/log
 
I utter
psgrep dhclient
and get
root 247 0.0 1.0 1812 1284 ?? Ss 2:13PM 0:00.26 /sbin/dhclient rl0
 
I've tried setting up special rules in the firewall to catch the
dhclient packets, and the firewall doesn't seem to be stopping them. The
ipfw rules to pass the packets are
allow udp from any 68 to 255.255.255.255 dst-port 67 out via rl0
allow udp from any 67 to 255.255.255.255 dst-port 68 in via rl0
"ipfw show" doesn't register any packets even when dhclient is
complaining about not being able to send packets. 
 
I can get an IP address, no problem. From the messages log:
dhclient: New IP Address (rl0): 
dhclient: New Subnet Mask (rl0): 255.255.254.0
dhclient: New Broadcast Address (rl0): 
dhclient: New Routers: 
But even with this, I'm still getting the Permissin denied message.
 
The only DHCP configuration I've done is in the rc.conf file:
ifconfig_rl0="DHCP"
I'm not using inetd.

This has been a problem starting with FBSD 4.4 through 4.8. and with my
current system, 5.2.1. I'll upgrade to 5.3 in a month or so when I have
the time, but the problem seems to occur on all versions.

I've searched the archives and Googled extensively, and I can find
messages from other people with the same problem, but I haven't found a
solution. 

I used tcpdump to look at the UDP traffic through the bootp ports. About
once an hour, my host would send a UDP packet out the bootpc port to the
bootps port at the broadcast address. I would get a reply back from my
ISP's router with the DHCP server's IP address. Shortly before it was
time to renew the DHCP lease, my host started sending out a boatload of
these broadcast packets, with no response from my ISP. This stopped at
the time the old lease listed as the renew time. The only thing I
received from the DHCP server IP address was an echo request packet,
which I didn't respond to. In spite of the fact that there was no
evidence of UDP traffic between my host and the DHCP server, my DHCP
lease was renewed and my IP address was changed. That's the first time
my IP address has been changed when I wasn't off line.

Output from ipfw list:
00100 allow ip from any to any via lo0
00200 deny ip from any to 127.0.0.0/8
00300 deny ip from 127.0.0.0/8 to any
00400 deny ip from 192.168.0.240/28 to any in via rl0
00500 deny ip from 68.230.190.0/23 to any in via xl0
00600 deny ip from any to 10.0.0.0/8 via rl0
00700 deny ip from any to 172.16.0.0/12 via rl0
00800 deny ip from any to 192.168.0.0/16 via rl0
00900 deny ip from any to 0.0.0.0/8 via rl0
01000 deny ip from any to 169.254.0.0/16 via rl0
01100 deny ip from any to 192.0.2.0/24 via rl0
01200 deny ip from any to 224.0.0.0/4 via rl0
01300 deny ip from any to 240.0.0.0/4 via rl0
01400 allow ip from any to any via xl0
01500 divert 8668 ip from any to any via rl0
01700 deny ip from 10.0.0.0/8 to any via rl0
01800 deny ip from 172.16.0.0/12 to any via rl0
01900 deny ip from 192.168.0.0/16 to any via rl0
02000 deny ip from 0.0.0.0/8 to any via rl0
02100 deny ip from 169.254.0.0/16 to any via rl0
02200 deny ip from 192.0.2.0/24 to any via rl0
02300 deny ip from 224.0.0.0/4 to any via rl0
02400 deny ip from 240.0.0.0/4 to any via rl0
02500 allow tcp from any to any established
02600 allow ip from any to any frag
02700 deny log tcp from any to any in via rl0 setup
02800 allow tcp from any to any setup
02900 allow udp from 68.230.186.138 to any dst-port 53 keep-state
03000 allow udp from any 123 to any dst-port 123 via rl0
03100 allow icmp from any to any icmptypes 3,4,8 out via rl0
03200 allow icmp from any to any icmptypes 0,3,4,11 in via rl0
03300 allow udp from any to any dst-port 33434-33523 out via rl0
03400 allow udp from any 68 to any dst-port 67 out via rl0
03500 allow udp from any 67 to any dst-port 68 in via rl0
03600 allow udp from any 68 to 255.255.255.255 dst-port 67 out via rl0
03700 allow udp from any 67 to 255.255.255.255 dst-port 68 in via rl0
03800 allow udp from any 68,67 to any dst-port 68,67 via rl0
65535 deny ip from any to any

If I set up a specia deny all rule for UDP packets in IPFW (after rules
allowing DNS, NTP, and traceroute and Windows ping), nothing triggers
it. Nothing triggers the rules that I set up to allow the DHCP packets.
Tcpdump doesn't show any UDP traffic between my host and the DHCP
server. And yet dhclient is complaining that it doesn't have permission
to send packets, and my DHCP lease is being renewed.

Can anybody explain to me what is happening?

Bob
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dhclient: send_packet: Permission denied

2005-01-06 Thread Bob Hall
I keep getting the message
dhclient: send_packet: Permission denied

I try 
sockstat | grep dhclient
and get
root dhclient   247   4  udp4   *:68  *:*
root dhclient   247   6  dgram  -> /var/run/log

I utter
psgrep dhclient
and get
root 247 0.0 1.0 1812 1284 ?? Ss 2:13PM 0:00.26 /sbin/dhclient rl0

I've tried setting up special rules in the firewall to catch the
dhclient packets, and the firewall doesn't seem to be stopping them. The
ipfw rules to pass the packets are
allow udp from any 68 to 255.255.255.255 dst-port 67 out via rl0
allow udp from any 67 to 255.255.255.255 dst-port 68 in via rl0
"ipfw show" doesn't register any packets even when dhclient is
complaining about not being able to send packets. 

I can get an IP address, no problem. From the messages log:
dhclient: New IP Address (rl0): 
dhclient: New Subnet Mask (rl0): 255.255.254.0
dhclient: New Broadcast Address (rl0): 
dhclient: New Routers: 
But even with this, I'm still getting the Permissin denied message.

The messages log also includes this:
dhclient: Can't bind to dhcp address: Address already in use
dhclient: Please make sure there is no other dhcp server
dhclient: running and that there's no entry for dhcp or
dhclient: bootp in /etc/inetd.conf.   Also make sure you
dhclient: are not running HP JetAdmin software, which
dhclient: includes a bootp server.
In addition to the system generating these messages on its own, I can
also prod it into generating them by uttering 
dhclient rl0
I'm not running HP JetAdmin software, and the dhclient setup is
perfectly stock. I haven't installed any additional DHCP software. I'm
not running a DHCP server. The only DHCP configuration I've done is in
the rc.conf file:
ifconfig_rl0="DHCP"
I'm not using inetd.

This has been a problem starting with FBSD 4.4 through 4.8. and with my
current system, 5.2.1. I'll upgrade to 5.3 in a month or so when I have
the time, but the problem seems to occur on all versions.

I've searched the archives and Googled extensively, and I can find
messages from other people with the same problem, but I haven't found a
solution. 

It seems as though a second copy of dhclient is firing up and tryng to
bind to port 68, and getting blocked by the existing copy of dhclient. 
Anybody have a clue what's going on, or why that would be happening?
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Re: firewall

2003-09-18 Thread Bob Hall
On Thu, Sep 18, 2003 at 08:54:30AM +0800, Robert Storey wrote:
> On Wed, 17 Sep 2003 14:29:22 -0400
> "Bob Hall" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> 
> Apologies humbly offered. Apparently, I'm getting confused by reading

My fault. I'm too impatient.

> the tons of documentation I've been looking at. For now, option No. 1
> will do - I just want to get kernel ppp working with a firewall enabled.
> So far, I've gotten ppp working, but only with the firewall disabled.

Good. Use that as a starting point. Revert back to the cofiguration 
that worked, and we'll add a firewall.

With option 1, your box is not a gateway. However, if you use the box 
as a gateway later, you will need NAT. If you are using pppd, you'll 
need to implement NAT in the firewall. In that case, you'll need the 
IPFIREWALL and IPDIVERT options. If you have already recompiled with 
them, don't change that. They won't hurt you now and you'll need them 
later. 
 
> > You also need 
> > options IPFIREWALL
> > for any of the three options.
> 
> Now that's interesting. I did indeed read that in "FreeBSD Unleashed",
> but "The Complete FreeBSD" says "If you wish you can build a kernel with
> firewall support...but you don't need to build a new kernel. You can
> load the KLD /boot/kernel/ipfw.ko instead: #kldload ipfw"
> So I tried that, and it told me it was already loaded.

What did "kldstat" return?

Lehey can do lots of things with FBSD that I don't know how to do.
I've never tried loading IPFW as a dynamic module. I've seen posts 
from people who've tried it and had problems. Your milage will vary. 
My belief is that you connect to the internet often enough that you 
don't gain anything by using a dynamic module. You might as well load 
IPFW at bootup.
 
> OK, that part I knew, but what setting should I use? Just leave it
> blank? When I try "ifconfig -a" it always gives me an address in the
> format 168.95.xx.xx where x can be any number. 

Start with the "OPEN" firewall. If there are no firewall rules, the 
rules can't cause problems. Once you know that the firewall is working, 
you can switch to client or simple. If you have a problem at that point, 
you've isolated the problem to your ruleset.

Before using an open firewall, make sure that /etc/hosts.allow is 
configured to allow only localhost and machines on your LAN to 
establish connections. Anything external to your LAN should be 
blocked, at least until your firewall is no longer "OPEN".
ALL : localhost 127.0.0.1 : allow
ALL : box1.lan.net 192.168.0.1 : allow
... 
portmap : 192.168.0.0/255.255.255.250 : allow
ALL : ALL : deny
or something similar.

> Again, thank you for your help. Sorry for my stupidity, but I am

As a beginner, you have no right to claim stupidity. You are only 
entitled to vague feelings of incompentence. It will take a couple 
of years of having the computer constantly make you look like a fool 
to develop and sharpen those feelings into true stupidity. 

Until then, use the force.

> probably the only FreeBSD user within 100 miles of where I live - on one
> around here who I can ask.

I don't personally know any FBSD users, other than myself. My geek 
friends are into Linux. 

Bob Hall
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Re: What's the difference between FreeBSD and OpenBSD?

2003-09-17 Thread Bob Hall
On Wed, Sep 17, 2003 at 03:07:39PM +0200, Nico Meijer wrote:
> Roughly, FreeBSD's mailing lists are friendlier than OpenBSD's, unless
> (and this can't be stressed enough methinks) you do your homework. So

That's correct. There's nothing I hate worse than a FBSD geek who has 
done all the assigned problems for Diff Eq class.

Bob Hall
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Re: firewall

2003-09-17 Thread Bob Hall
At this point, I'm a little confused. You said previously that 
this would be the only machine that accessed the Internet via 
PPP. Now you're setting it up as the gateway, which means that 
other machines will be accessing the Internet via PPP on your 
gateway.

To reiterate from an earlier post, you have three options:
1) This is not a gateway. You need PPP and a firewall.

2) This is a gateway. You need PPP, a firewall, and NAT 
implemented via user PPP.

3) This is a gateway. You need PPP, a firewall, and NAT 
implemented via the firewall. 

Decide on an option, and tell us which you're going to 
implement.

On Wed, Sep 17, 2003 at 05:23:25PM +0800, Robert Storey wrote:
> In the continuing saga of my firewall configuration...
> 
> One kind member of this list suggested I must compile this into my
> kernel:
> 
> options IPDIVERT

You need that only for option 3.

You also need 
options IPFIREWALL
for any of the three options.

> So I did that, and it made a difference though it didn't solve the
> problem. Previously, whenever I started ppp, if I attempted to ping I
> would get this error message:
> 
> [EMAIL PROTECTED]:~> ping slashdot.org
>  ping: cannot resolve slashdot.org: Host name lookup failure
> 
> Now when I ping, I get no response - no error messages, but no other
> feedback. I think this is an improvement, but something is still
> preventing me from getting a response from ppp.
> 
> To reiterate, this is everything I've done so far:
> 
> FROM /etc/rc.conf:
> 
> firewall_enable="YES"
> firewall_script="/etc/rc.firewall"
> firewall_type="simple"
> natd_enable="YES"
> natd_interface="ppp0"
> 
> FROM /etc/rc.firewall:
> 
> # set these to your outside interface network and netmask and ip
> oif="ppp0"
> onet="168.95.0.0"
> omask="255.255.255.255"
> oip="168.95.0.0"

oip = Outer IP address. 168.95.0.0 is not your oip. Once again, 
the oip is found in the ppp0 section of the output from "ifconfig -a".
It changes every time you dial up.
 
> # set these to your inside interface network and netmask and ip
> iif="vr0"
> inet="192.168.0.0"
> imask="255.255.255.0"
> iip="192.168.0.2"
> 
> Kernel recompile:
> options IPDIVERT

See above.
 
> CONTENT OF /etc/hosts:
> #
> ::1   localhost localhost.utopia.com
> 127.0.0.1 localhost localhost.utopia.com
> #
> 192.168.0.3   ibm.utopia.com  ibm
> 192.168.0.2   sonic.utopia.comsonic
> 192.168.0.1   pro.utopia.com  pro

I use local DNS, so I've never manually written anything in my 
hosts file, but I think you need to add an address for DNS lookup. 
It's possible that this is entered automatically when you dial up. 
As I said, I don't do DNS this way, so I'm not sure how your setup 
should work.
 
> I also used sysinstall to designate this machine as a gateway. Was that
> the right thing to do?

Tell us whether or not you've decided to use this machine as a gateway.
You can't proceed, and we can't help you, until you make that decision.

If you decide to use this machine as a gateway, then you have to decide 
how you're going to implement NAT. Again, you can't proceed, and we can't 
help you, until you decide. You have to pick one of the three options 
listed at the top.

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Re: firewall

2003-09-16 Thread Bob Hall
On Tue, Sep 16, 2003 at 06:17:13PM +0800, Robert Storey wrote:
> On Mon, 15 Sep 2003 18:56:07 -0400
> "Bob Hall" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> 
> > Another poster pointed out, and I seconded, that you need to set up 
> > NAT. There was no divert rule in your previous rule list, and you 
> > haven't mentioned setting up NAT, so I assume you still haven't done 
> > it. Without NAT, your gateway computer will be able to use PPP without
> > your previous firewall, but none of your other computers will be able 
> > to connect. 
> 
> Dear Bob,
> 
> Thanks. Acting on Scott's suggestion, I put this in /etc/rc.conf:
> 
> natd_enable="YES"
> natd_interface="ppp0"
> 
> However, I'm still left with the same problem - with the firewall
> enabled, ppp is blocked. Maybe I should clarify - it's the gateway
> machine that cannot access ppp. I'm not worried about the other machines
> on the network gaining access to ppp. Anyway, the internal network is OK
> even with the firewall enabled, but the firewall is definitely blocking
> my ppp connection.
> 
> If I were smarter, I could probably tweak the network settings in
> /etc/rc.firewall. But all I'm trying to do is use the "simple"
> configuration (which so far is not proving to be simple).
> 
> I'm pretty much out of ideas on this.

OK. I think I've figured out what you don't know.

Your firewall is configured to work with 192.168.0.xxx addresses. 
These are special addresses that should only be used inside your 
LAN. Anyone outside your LAN, including your ISP, should never see 
them. NAT (Network Address Translation) is used to convert your 
internal IP address to the address assigned by your ISP when you 
dial up. That is the IP address associated with your ppp0 device, 
which you see when you type "ifconfig -a". Without NAT, your 
firewall is allowing your 192.168.0.xxx addresses to access the 
internet, but they don't have an external connection. Your ppp0 
device, which does have an external connection, is being blocked 
because it doesn't have a 192.168.0.xxx address.

Everyone who responded to you has been assuming that your box with 
the dial up connection was a gateway; i.e. the gateway used by the 
other computers to access the Internet. If this is the case, then 
you need to set up NAT by one of two methods:
1) recompile the kernel with the following two options:
options IPFIREWALL  #firewall
options IPDIVERT#divert sockets
   Then you need to add a "divert" rule to your firewall that translates 
   internal addresses to your external address.
2) If you are using user PPP, you do the same thing by using PPP's 
   built in NAT function.

If your box with the dial up connection is not a gateway (i.e. it is the 
only computer that will access the Internet), then use the CLIENT rule 
set, but use the external IP address, not the 192.168.0.xxx address.

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Re: firewall

2003-09-15 Thread Bob Hall
On Mon, Sep 15, 2003 at 06:56:07PM -0400, Bob Hall wrote:
> Once you've got NAT set up, your oip should be 168.95.46.33.

I should have said: Your oip should not be 168.95.0.0. It should be whatever 
your ISP assigned to you when you logged on. This will probably change 
every time you dial up, so you'll need some way of setting it for each 
dial up.

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Re: NAT without recompiling my kernel ?

2003-09-15 Thread Bob Hall
On Mon, Sep 15, 2003 at 08:55:01PM +0100, Wayne Pascoe wrote:
> Hi all,
> 
> I've got ipfw working and logging without recompiling my kernel. I've
> now hit my next problem...
> 
> Is it possible to use NAT without recompiling ? I've kldloaded the\

No.

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Re: firewall

2003-09-15 Thread Bob Hall
On Mon, Sep 15, 2003 at 09:25:51PM +0800, Robert Storey wrote:
> On Sun, 14 Sep 2003 23:52:40 -0400
> "Bob Hall" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> 
> > Could you be more specific about what doesn't work? Have you tried
> > ping and traceroute? nslookup? HTTP? Sometimes when people are having
> > trouble, it turns out that they are having trouble with specific apps,
> > but otherwise can connect successfully.
> > 
> > It looks like you're using the CLIENT ruleset from the default
> > rc.firewall. If this firewall is for a LAN, you will have more success
> > with the SIMPLE ruleset. (I made the same mistake the first time I set
> > up a LAN firewall.)
> 
> Thanks, that was a good suggestion (to use the SIMPLE ruleset). However,
> I'm still not getting through with PPP. Here is the output of ifconfig
> when I'm online:
> 
> 
> [EMAIL PROTECTED]:~> ifconfig
> vr0: flags=8843 mtu 1500
> inet6 fe80::20c:6eff:fe0a:ca02%vr0 prefixlen 64 scopeid 0x1 
> inet 192.168.0.2 netmask 0xff00 broadcast 192.168.0.255
> ether 00:0c:6e:0a:ca:02
> media: Ethernet autoselect (none)
> status: no carrier
> lp0: flags=8810 mtu 1500
> lo0: flags=8049 mtu 16384
> inet6 ::1 prefixlen 128 
> inet6 fe80::1%lo0 prefixlen 64 scopeid 0x3 
> inet 127.0.0.1 netmask 0xff00 
> ppp0: flags=8051 mtu 1524
> inet 61.227.219.11 --> 168.95.46.33 netmask 0xff00 
> 
> AND the result of a ping:
> [EMAIL PROTECTED]:~> ping slashdot.org
> ping: cannot resolve slashdot.org: Host name lookup failure
> 
> 
> This is my current configuration in /etc/rc.firewall:
> 
>   # set these to your outside interface network and netmask and ip
>   oif="ppp0"
>   onet="168.95.0.0"
>   omask="255.255.255.255"
>   oip="168.95.0.0"
> 
>   # set these to your inside interface network and netmask and ip
>   iif="vr0"
>   inet="192.168.0.0"
>   imask="255.255.255.0"
>   iip="192.168.0.2"

Another poster pointed out, and I seconded, that you need to set up 
NAT. There was no divert rule in your previous rule list, and you 
haven't mentioned setting up NAT, so I assume you still haven't done 
it. Without NAT, your gateway computer will be able to use PPP without
your previous firewall, but none of your other computers will be able 
to connect. 

Once you've got NAT set up, your oip should be 168.95.46.33.

Bob Hall
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Re: firewall

2003-09-14 Thread Bob Hall
On Sun, Sep 14, 2003 at 05:27:15PM +0800, Robert Storey wrote:
> Dear All,
> 
> I'm having a hard time configuring a firewall. I ALMOST understand it,
> but I've run into one problem. I think I don't actually have my
> /etc/rc.firewall set up properly. Maybe I don't really understand what
> the "ip" setting should be, and I've made it the same as my "net"
> setting. Anyway, what I can say is that with the configuration I have, I
> can access my internal (ethernet) network, but ppp is totally blocked,
> which of course I don't want.

Could you be more specific about what doesn't work? Have you tried ping 
and traceroute? nslookup? HTTP? Sometimes when people are having trouble, 
it turns out that they are having trouble with specific apps, but 
otherwise can connect successfully.

It looks like you're using the CLIENT ruleset from the default rc.firewall. 
If this firewall is for a LAN, you will have more success with the SIMPLE 
ruleset. (I made the same mistake the first time I set up a LAN firewall.)

Bob Hall
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