Re: SCO Group
I agree with your general point that SCO hasn't given us any reason to suppose they'd treat the BSDs - or more specifically, BSD users - differently than in the case of Linux. However, if you don't work for a fairly large company and don't have untold personal wealth, there seems little reason to suppose SCO would waste time pursuing you or your employer. I fully agree with this. Besides, it's already been proven that this whole thing is an pump and dump money grab by the company that owns SCO. They're doing the lawsuits in order to pump their stocks, then once they sell off everything they'll in turn disenfranchise themselves from SCO, put as much distance as they can between them, and let IBM chop up and burn SCO for kindling. They were kinda hoping that IBM would just buy up SCO at a sizeable profit to the owners of SCO in order to silence this suit. That didn't happen and after IBM basically said they'd run SCO into the ground, the original planners of this whole scheme are now trying to grab whatever cash they can and run. If you don't believe me, read up on Wired and several other tech news sites, CNN, and others. Half the execs at SCO have sold off all their stocks already and the President of the company is getting close. They're doing it a bit at a time so as not to draw too much attention from the SEC. The proof is out there and in massive quantities if you want to find it. Besides, if SCO really wanted to fry IBM for any kind of infringement they would have gone to court months ago, not postponed the court date for middle of 2005. The idea behind that is that the company that owns SCO (a group of lawyers also famous for suing Microsoft on another money grab and winning big) hopes to either have sold the company to IBM or someone else for a considerable profit or have sold their stocks, made their cash and be long gone by then. Of course MS and Sun are loving this up and helping out SCO a lot since they see Linux as their worst competitor. In their eyes the sooner linux dies the happier they'll be. Oh well, too late now cause Linux (and the BSD's) are here to stay. :) ___ [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: SCO Group
On Tue, 23 Sep 2003, Dragoncrest wrote: Of course MS and Sun are loving this up and helping out SCO a lot since they see Linux as their worst competitor. In their eyes the sooner linux dies the happier they'll be. Oh well, too late now cause Linux (and the BSD's) are here to stay. :) Actually Sun is developing their own desktop-oriented Mad Hatter distribution of Linux. Cheers, Viktor ___ [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: SCO Group
I fear this thread is off topic, but... On Tue, 23 Sep 2003 19:14:10 -0700, Viktor Lazlo wrote: On Tue, 23 Sep 2003, Dragoncrest wrote: Of course MS and Sun are loving this up and helping out SCO a lot since they see Linux as their worst competitor. In their eyes the sooner linux dies the happier they'll be. Oh well, too late now cause Linux (and the BSD's) are here to stay. :) Actually Sun is developing their own desktop-oriented Mad Hatter distribution of Linux. This is one of those depressingly frequent cases where facts are needed and I have few to offer. Sun has being rolling the Open Source concept around at least since they acquired StarOffice; they hired Linuxcare, my then-employer, to provide technical support. Greg Lehey may well remember this; it occurred in the same timeframe as Linuxcare was toying with the notion of extending its business model into FreeBSD space. The indications then were that they just weren't quite getting it. And it seems bizarre that they are entering this space, a marginal proposition at best, with a Linux distribution in these economic conditions. My dark suspicion is that they are hoping to embrace and suffocate. I could be wrong -- they've certainly had enough people trying to explain Open Source to them for the last several years, and it's possible they've seen the light. But I doubt it. My own guess is that Sun's Linux distribution will disappear along with any number of other projects that Sun has floated from time to time. -- David Benfell, LCP [EMAIL PROTECTED] --- Resume available at http://www.parts-unknown.org/resume.html pgp0.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: SCO Group
On Sun, 21 Sep 2003 10:24:04 +0930, Greg 'groggy' Lehey [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Saturday, 20 September 2003 at 17:16:59 -0400, Timothy Luoma wrote: On Sat, 20 Sep 2003 14:07:53 -0700, Kris Kennaway [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Sat, Sep 20, 2003 at 10:15:01AM -0400, Ryck wrote: [snip] Does Free BSD have anything to worry about regarding SCO Group and would Free BSD users be harmless from SCO Group's litigation threats? Not likely. See the mailing list archives for further discussion. I tried to find some information and had no luck. I was also looking for any conversation as to whether this situation with SCO was related at all to the problems BSD had with... was it ATT? some years back. The short answer: SCO's predecessors sued the BSDs for much the same issue over ten years ago. The matter was settled out of court. If you believe this view, then the BSDs have nothing more to fear. On the other hand, the way SCO is handling the current issue suggests that they have lost their minds. They have presented no proof for their claims While generally agreeing with the view that SCO appear to have lost their minds, as a lawyer in the U.S. I did want to note that it's not customary to present proof at this stage of a lawsuit. (well, they produced some BSD code purported to be in Linux, and claimed that it was System V code; see http://www.lemis.com/grog/SCO/code-comparison.html#BPF for more details). As a result, there's no reason to believe that they wouldn't make similar claims about the BSDs. After all, the code in that example *is* in FreeBSD. I agree with your general point that SCO hasn't given us any reason to suppose they'd treat the BSDs - or more specifically, BSD users - differently than in the case of Linux. However, if you don't work for a fairly large company and don't have untold personal wealth, there seems little reason to suppose SCO would waste time pursuing you or your employer. Jud ___ [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: SCO Group
On Sat, Sep 20, 2003 at 10:15:01AM -0400, Ryck wrote: Hi I've heard that SCO Group has an issue with Linux and is planning to sue everyone who uses Linux because of the claim that it is using their code. Does Free BSD have anything to worry about regarding SCO Group and would Free BSD users be harmless from SCO Group's litigation threats? Not likely. See the mailing list archives for further discussion. Kris pgp0.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: SCO Group
On Sat, 20 Sep 2003 14:07:53 -0700, Kris Kennaway [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Sat, Sep 20, 2003 at 10:15:01AM -0400, Ryck wrote: Hi I've heard that SCO Group has an issue with Linux and is planning to sue everyone who uses Linux because of the claim that it is using their code. Does Free BSD have anything to worry about regarding SCO Group and would Free BSD users be harmless from SCO Group's litigation threats? Not likely. See the mailing list archives for further discussion. I tried to find some information and had no luck. I was also looking for any conversation as to whether this situation with SCO was related at all to the problems BSD had with... was it ATT? some years back. Any pointers appreciated. TjL -- Toying with the idea of putting FreeBSD on a Dell Inspiron 7500 laptop ___ [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: SCO Group
On Sat, Sep 20, 2003, Timothy Luoma wrote: ... I tried to find some information and had no luck. I was also looking for any conversation as to whether this situation with SCO was related at all to the problems BSD had with... was it ATT? some years back. IANAL -- the critters at SCO probably wish that one would go away since ATT took it in the shorts in that decision. Bill -- INTERNET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Bill Campbell; Celestial Software LLC UUCP: camco!bill PO Box 820; 6641 E. Mercer Way FAX:(206) 232-9186 Mercer Island, WA 98040-0820; (206) 236-1676 URL: http://www.celestial.com/ The difference between science and the fuzzy subjects is that science requires reasoning while those other subjects merely require scholarship. -- Robert Heinlein ___ [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: SCO Group
On Saturday, 20 September 2003 at 17:16:59 -0400, Timothy Luoma wrote: On Sat, 20 Sep 2003 14:07:53 -0700, Kris Kennaway [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Sat, Sep 20, 2003 at 10:15:01AM -0400, Ryck wrote: Hi I've heard that SCO Group has an issue with Linux and is planning to sue everyone who uses Linux because of the claim that it is using their code. Does Free BSD have anything to worry about regarding SCO Group and would Free BSD users be harmless from SCO Group's litigation threats? Not likely. See the mailing list archives for further discussion. I tried to find some information and had no luck. I was also looking for any conversation as to whether this situation with SCO was related at all to the problems BSD had with... was it ATT? some years back. The short answer: SCO's predecessors sued the BSDs for much the same issue over ten years ago. The matter was settled out of court. If you believe this view, then the BSDs have nothing more to fear. On the other hand, the way SCO is handling the current issue suggests that they have lost their minds. They have presented no proof for their claims (well, they produced some BSD code purported to be in Linux, and claimed that it was System V code; see http://www.lemis.com/grog/SCO/code-comparison.html#BPF for more details). As a result, there's no reason to believe that they wouldn't make similar claims about the BSDs. After all, the code in that example *is* in FreeBSD. Greg -- When replying to this message, please copy the original recipients. If you don't, I may ignore the reply or reply to the original recipients. For more information, see http://www.lemis.com/questions.html See complete headers for address and phone numbers pgp0.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: SCO Group
On Sat, Sep 20, 2003 at 05:16:59PM -0400, Timothy Luoma wrote: On Sat, 20 Sep 2003 14:07:53 -0700, Kris Kennaway [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Sat, Sep 20, 2003 at 10:15:01AM -0400, Ryck wrote: Hi I've heard that SCO Group has an issue with Linux and is planning to sue everyone who uses Linux because of the claim that it is using their code. Does Free BSD have anything to worry about regarding SCO Group and would Free BSD users be harmless from SCO Group's litigation threats? Not likely. See the mailing list archives for further discussion. I tried to find some information and had no luck. See the -chat archives specifically. Kris pgp0.pgp Description: PGP signature
