Re: FVWM: Session management.
On Sun, Oct 01, 2017 at 05:31:10PM -0500, Brian wrote: > Do you really consider FVWM a museum piece? Why is there current > development going on for it then? Maybe I should be looking at a Perhaps I wasn't very clear here -- it was a compliment; I was not calling FVWM itself a museum piece. Rather, it has a lot of internal workarounds for buggy clients, including a lot of work gone into Tk handling of windows. Additionally, there's other things such as good window gravity handling, etc. The point I was making is that because FVWM is old, and had to handle a lot of these things at the time, you don't see that level of detail in other WMs and DEs, from what I have observed. Now it might be that it's because such toolkits aren't as common any more, but the fact remains that FVWM still has the code to handle this, and always will. It's definitely a good thing, from my point of view. FVWM development has halted for a number of reasons, but then fvwm2 itself doesn't need much more work anyway, IMO. It would be nice to get back to doing fvwm development, but there's a lot of things to sort out which---when I last tried---grated on a number of people. > different WindowManager since I can't find a DE that's less than 300M > load on my lowly 4G Mem desktop. KDE Plasma is going to be demanding > even more and GNOME for Slackware is also large. XFCE is close but it > keeps borking on me after a number of power management suspends. (Maybe > a bad DBus connection?). Pass. You won't find a better/more featured window manager other than FVWM to fit the 4GB deskop you describe. -- Thomas Adam
Re: FVWM: Session Management under fvwm2
On Thu, May 12, 2005 at 07:50:38AM +1000, Felix Karpfen wrote: > And then? And then... what? that's it. Fvwm is running within the session manager - you can do as you were. :) > does not appear to work in conjunction with "fvwm-themes". I have > failed to locate the "gnome-session-manager" (because I lack a basic > familiarity with Gnome) and I suspect that the "killall" command needs > additional modification if it is to start "fvwm-themes" next time. The "killall" command is used so that the current running window manager is kicked out from under the session manager, replacing it with fvwm. With fvwm-themes, this is just fvwm, so --replace will still work, providing you call not fvwm-themes, but: fvwm -f themes-rc (IIRC -- it has been a while since I last looked at fvwm-themes.) As for gnome-session-manager -- it's just called 'gnome-session'. > And, in view of the other posts, where should the xearth command go ? > Left where it is or into ".xinitrc" ? It should be OK where it is. > I venture to send this follow-up, because it looks as though it now > needs very little to achieve what I was trying to do. HTH, -- Thomas Adam -- "One of us is a cigar stand, and one of us is a lovely blue incandescent guillotine" -- Stephen Malkmus, "Type Slowly" from "Brighten The Corners" -- Visit the official FVWM web page at http://www.fvwm.org/>. To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe fvwm" in the body of a message to [EMAIL PROTECTED] To report problems, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: FVWM: Session Management under fvwm2
On Mon, 09 May 2005 00:32:47 +0100, Thomas Adam wrote (<[EMAIL PROTECTED]>): > you might also want to read an article I published on session > management and fvwm: > > http://linuxgazette.net/100/adam.html > Belatedly, I have finally located a fvwm man page that appears to address my problems. It says: , | Most users just should put: | | fvwm-themes-start | |as the last line of their .Xclients, .xinitrc or .xsession file. If |you want to use FVWM Themes with a real session manager, say GNOME, you |need to use the --no-start option and put: | | fvwm-themes-start --no-start | gnome-session ` And then? It looks as though both entries are taken seriously. I end up with the gnome desktop and my previous-loaded packages - when loaded onto the desktop - open at the point at which I had left them when I shut down fvwm2. The first tweak suggested in: http://linuxgazette.net/100/adam.html does not appear to work in conjunction with "fvwm-themes". I have failed to locate the "gnome-session-manager" (because I lack a basic familiarity with Gnome) and I suspect that the "killall" command needs additional modification if it is to start "fvwm-themes" next time. And, in view of the other posts, where should the xearth command go? Left where it is or into ".xinitrc"? I venture to send this follow-up, because it looks as though it now needs very little to achieve what I was trying to do. Felix Karpfen -- Felix Karpfen Public Key 72FDF9DF (DH/DSA) -- Visit the official FVWM web page at http://www.fvwm.org/>. To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe fvwm" in the body of a message to [EMAIL PROTECTED] To report problems, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: FVWM: Session Management under fvwm2
On Sat, 07 May 2005 22:08:33 +0100, Thomas Adam wrote (<[EMAIL PROTECTED]>): > > --- Felix Karpfen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >> It would help at least one novice to have an example of an entry in the >> (personal) configuration file that shows how to make a routinely used >> menu into a permanent entry whenever fvwm2 is started. > > If I understand you, you just want to add something like: > > DestroyMenu mymenu > AddToMenu mymenu > + "program1" Exec exec prog1 > + "program2" Exec exec prog2 -option > > Although I doubt that is what you want -- can you provide a clearer > example of what you're actually wanting to do? > My apologies for failing to mention one important item - I access fvwm2 via fvwm-themes. Here is the content of my "personal" directory: [EMAIL PROTECTED] felixk]$ ls -l .fvwm/themes/personal/ total 64 -rw-r--r-- 1 felixk felixk 96 Apr 18 2003 bindings-extra -rw-r--r-- 1 felixk felixk 8008 Feb 28 11:52 functions-appbind -rw-r--r-- 1 felixk felixk 776 Apr 28 21:33 functions-appbind-extra -rw-r--r-- 1 felixk felixk 94 Apr 18 2003 functions-extra -rw-r--r-- 1 felixk felixk 1459 Apr 18 2003 globalfeel -rw-r--r-- 1 felixk felixk 678 Mar 16 12:32 menus-extra -rw-r--r-- 1 felixk felixk0 Apr 18 2003 menus-programs-extra -rw-r--r-- 1 felixk felixk 80 Aug 14 2004 startup -rw-r--r-- 1 felixk felixk 95 Apr 18 2003 startup.01.bk -rw-r--r-- 1 felixk felixk 68 Apr 18 2003 stroke-extra And these are the current entries in my "startup" file (which I imagine needs additions): AddToFunc InitFunction + I Exec sleep 5 + I Exec exec xearth -label -wait 240 The programs that I load routinely are the Opera browser, the Pan newsreader and the Gnome terminal. I load each of them onto a different page and envisage that the pages need to be specified in the start-up file. It would be great if the programs opened at the point at which they were closed when fvwm2 was shutdown. Not really necessary since Opera and Pan do this by default. I hope that I have the terminology correct. Thank you for the prompt reply. > Felix Karpfen -- Felix Karpfen Public Key 72FDF9DF (DH/DSA) -- Visit the official FVWM web page at http://www.fvwm.org/>. To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe fvwm" in the body of a message to [EMAIL PROTECTED] To report problems, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: FVWM: Session Management under fvwm2
On Mon, May 09, 2005 at 01:15:41AM +, Mikhael Goikhman wrote: > so if SM does not start one, then and only then it may be placed in > SessionInitFunction. Quite. I assumed this was such an instance. -- Thomas Adam -- "One of us is a cigar stand, and one of us is a lovely blue incandescent guillotine" -- Stephen Malkmus, "Type Slowly" from "Brighten The Corners" -- Visit the official FVWM web page at http://www.fvwm.org/>. To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe fvwm" in the body of a message to [EMAIL PROTECTED] To report problems, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: FVWM: Session Management under fvwm2
On 09 May 2005 00:32:47 +0100, Thomas Adam wrote: > > > --- Felix Karpfen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > AddToFunc InitFunction > > + I Exec sleep 5 > > + I Exec exec xearth -label -wait 240 > > > > The programs that I load routinely are the Opera browser, the Pan > > newsreader and the Gnome terminal. I load each of them onto a > > different > > page and envisage that the pages need to be specified in the start-up > > file. It would be great if the programs opened at the point at which > > they were closed when fvwm2 was shutdown. I suspect that all the > > mentioned programs are already configured to do that, but need to try > > it before I can be certain. > > Right -- you want to see 'SessionInitFunction' as that function is the > same as the above *except* that it runs only via a session manager. No. The only usage of SessionInitFunction I know is to start FvwmBanner. I don't think X applications (even xearth) belong to SessionInitFunction. Otherwise a user gets 2 copies of the same applications on the next start, one copy is started by a session manager. However different X programs behave differently regarding SM, so if SM does not start one, then and only then it may be placed in SessionInitFunction. Regards, Mikhael. -- Visit the official FVWM web page at http://www.fvwm.org/>. To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe fvwm" in the body of a message to [EMAIL PROTECTED] To report problems, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: FVWM: Session Management under fvwm2
--- Felix Karpfen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > AddToFunc InitFunction > + I Exec sleep 5 > + I Exec exec xearth -label -wait 240 > > The programs that I load routinely are the Opera browser, the Pan > newsreader and the Gnome terminal. I load each of them onto a > different > page and envisage that the pages need to be specified in the start-up > file. It would be great if the programs opened at the point at which > they were closed when fvwm2 was shutdown. I suspect that all the > mentioned programs are already configured to do that, but need to try > it before I can be certain. Right -- you want to see 'SessionInitFunction' as that function is the same as the above *except* that it runs only via a session manager. > I hope that I have the terminology correct. Yup. I hate doing this, but you might also want to read an article I published on session management and fvwm: http://linuxgazette.net/100/adam.html -- Thomas Adam ___ How much free photo storage do you get? Store your holiday snaps for FREE with Yahoo! Photos http://uk.photos.yahoo.com -- Visit the official FVWM web page at http://www.fvwm.org/>. To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe fvwm" in the body of a message to [EMAIL PROTECTED] To report problems, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: FVWM: Session Management under fvwm2
--- Felix Karpfen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > It would help at least one novice to have an example of an entry in > the (personal) configuration file that shows how to make a routinely > used menu into a permanent entry whenever fvwm2 is started. If I understand you, you just want to add something like: DestroyMenu mymenu AddToMenu mymenu + "program1" Exec exec prog1 + "program2" Exec exec prog2 -option Although I doubt that is what you want -- can you provide a clearer example of what you're actually wanting to do? -- Thomas Adam ___ How much free photo storage do you get? Store your holiday snaps for FREE with Yahoo! Photos http://uk.photos.yahoo.com -- Visit the official FVWM web page at http://www.fvwm.org/>. To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe fvwm" in the body of a message to [EMAIL PROTECTED] To report problems, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
FVWM: Session Management under fvwm2
The fvwm2 man page includes the following information: ,[ session_management.txt ]- | Fvwm doesn't save any information regarding styles, decors, | functions or menus. If you change any on these resources during | a session (e.g. by issuing Style commands or by using various | modules), these changes are lost after saving and restarting the | session. *** To become permanent, such changes have to be added to | the configuration file.*** ` It would help at least one novice to have an example of an entry in the (personal) configuration file that shows how to make a routinely used menu into a permanent entry whenever fvwm2 is started. For the record, I use one menu per page and switch between pages to access my various (routinely-used) menus. If this information is already documented, I would be grateful to be pointed to the reference. Felix Karpfen -- Felix Karpfen Public Key 72FDF9DF (DH/DSA) -- Visit the official FVWM web page at http://www.fvwm.org/>. To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe fvwm" in the body of a message to [EMAIL PROTECTED] To report problems, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
