Re: [VOTE] Graduate Johnzon from the Incubator

[Romain Manni-Bucau]

Le 5 avr. 2016 05:16, "John D. Ament"  a écrit :
>
> I have to agree with Ted's synopsis.  After reviewing the podling's
> proposal compared to current date, it seems that there's actually been a
> dramatic decrease in committers since inception.  I didn't realize that
> when originally looking.
>
> I do however want to clarify - I think Johnzon is mature.  The PPMC
> understands the apache way and has done a great job in incubation.
>
> I think I pitched this, a long while ago, but would it be a bad move to
> graduate into a sub-project under TomEE or Geronimo?  AFAIK, everyone but
> Hendrik is already on those PMCs.
>

Well, Johnzon is about JSON so wider than EE for ASF and johnzon community
is as big and more active than those projects so not sure. Also Johnzon
relies on > 3 people belonging to >= 3 companies which is very sane
compared to some other projects. On johnzon side we fix bugs very quickly
maybe not opening the door enough to contributions but not sure it is a bad
community sign. Finally being partly a EE project activity is expected to
not be as constant as some other projects IMO.

> John
>
> On Mon, Apr 4, 2016 at 6:41 PM Ted Dunning  wrote:
>
> > My suggestion would be to work on building community first.
> >
> > Not pulling in new committers and PMC members is evidence of a serious
> > community bug. It could be lack of marketing, unfriendly natives,
> > cliquishness or an idea that just doesn't have legs. Probably it is
> > something I didn't think of.
> >
> > In any case, it would be a really good idea for the current community to
> > show that they can deal with this problem so we don't wind up with a
> > top-level project that doesn't work.
> >
> > Also, even though I have no idea if it is a reasonable outcome, you
should
> > always explore the question of where the overhead of a top-level Apache
> > project is even the appropriate outcome. Such a self-examination is
always
> > a bit hard and can be very emotionally overloaded, but it is important
to
> > stop for a moment to consider what the best outcome for the project, the
> > users of the project and the members of the project really is. For some
> > projects, graduation as a small TLP is right. For somewhat more
projects,
> > transition to a non-Apache project structure is right.
> >
> > In most cases, however, it really is best to slog a bit longer and get
good
> > at building up the community.
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > On Mon, Apr 4, 2016 at 1:14 PM, Jean-Louis MONTEIRO 
> > wrote:
> >
> > > So, what are the next steps?
> > >
> > > Do we have to postpone the graduation and try to bring up more
> > contributors
> > > before?
> > > Or do we want to still graduate and work out the community growth
after?
> > >
> > > Jean-Louis
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > Le lun. 4 avr. 2016 à 02:50, Niall Pemberton <
niall.pember...@gmail.com>
> > a
> > > écrit :
> > >
> > > > On Sun, Apr 3, 2016 at 11:54 PM, John D. Ament <
johndam...@apache.org>
> > > > wrote:
> > > >
> > > >> Niali,
> > > >>
> > > >> I don't disagree with your assessment.  In actuality, Johnzon has
only
> > > >> added one committer in its 22 months in the incubator, who later
> > joined
> > > >> their PPMC and is now slated to be their VP.  However, adding
> > committers
> > > >> isn't the only form of community growth we expect to see when
> > > graduating.
> > > >> JIRA tickets, user input and seeing the developers interact on the
> > > various
> > > >> lists are also taken into account.
> > > >>
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >> The fact that the podling has some potential new committers in the
> > > >> pipeline
> > > >> is also great to hear.
> > > >>
> > > >> The minimum viable project is three PMC members.  Johnzon is a bit
> > > bigger
> > > >> than that.  You also have to keep in mind that there are some
projects
> > > >> that
> > > >> are just gigantic.  Not every project needs to match that
structure.
> > > >>
> > > >
> > > > I did some more research and looked at the proposed PMC
participation
> > in
> > > > the 10 Johnzon release votes (see attachment) and there are four
active
> > > > members. I will withdraw my vote, but I think Johnzon with 4 people
and
> > > > only 2 really active on the code is borderline and it needs to
recruit
> > > more
> > > > people to be sustainable long term.
> > > >
> > > > Niall
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >>
> > > >> John
> > > >>
> > > >> On Sun, Apr 3, 2016 at 5:58 PM Niall Pemberton <
> > > niall.pember...@gmail.com
> > > >> >
> > > >> wrote:
> > > >>
> > > >> > On Sun, Apr 3, 2016 at 8:26 PM, Mark Struberg
> > >  > > >> >
> > > >> > wrote:
> > > >> >
> > > >> > > Please look at more current data
> > > >> > >
> > > >> > > https://github.com/apache/incubator-johnzon/graphs/contributors
> > > >> >
> > > >> >
> > > >> > I didn't see your commits today - but otherwise doesn't look alot
> > > >> > difference.
> > > >> >
> > > >> > Also note 

Re: [VOTE] Graduate Johnzon from the Incubator

[John D. Ament]

I have to agree with Ted's synopsis.  After reviewing the podling's
proposal compared to current date, it seems that there's actually been a
dramatic decrease in committers since inception.  I didn't realize that
when originally looking.

I do however want to clarify - I think Johnzon is mature.  The PPMC
understands the apache way and has done a great job in incubation.

I think I pitched this, a long while ago, but would it be a bad move to
graduate into a sub-project under TomEE or Geronimo?  AFAIK, everyone but
Hendrik is already on those PMCs.

John

On Mon, Apr 4, 2016 at 6:41 PM Ted Dunning  wrote:

> My suggestion would be to work on building community first.
>
> Not pulling in new committers and PMC members is evidence of a serious
> community bug. It could be lack of marketing, unfriendly natives,
> cliquishness or an idea that just doesn't have legs. Probably it is
> something I didn't think of.
>
> In any case, it would be a really good idea for the current community to
> show that they can deal with this problem so we don't wind up with a
> top-level project that doesn't work.
>
> Also, even though I have no idea if it is a reasonable outcome, you should
> always explore the question of where the overhead of a top-level Apache
> project is even the appropriate outcome. Such a self-examination is always
> a bit hard and can be very emotionally overloaded, but it is important to
> stop for a moment to consider what the best outcome for the project, the
> users of the project and the members of the project really is. For some
> projects, graduation as a small TLP is right. For somewhat more projects,
> transition to a non-Apache project structure is right.
>
> In most cases, however, it really is best to slog a bit longer and get good
> at building up the community.
>
>
>
>
>
>
> On Mon, Apr 4, 2016 at 1:14 PM, Jean-Louis MONTEIRO 
> wrote:
>
> > So, what are the next steps?
> >
> > Do we have to postpone the graduation and try to bring up more
> contributors
> > before?
> > Or do we want to still graduate and work out the community growth after?
> >
> > Jean-Louis
> >
> >
> >
> > Le lun. 4 avr. 2016 à 02:50, Niall Pemberton 
> a
> > écrit :
> >
> > > On Sun, Apr 3, 2016 at 11:54 PM, John D. Ament 
> > > wrote:
> > >
> > >> Niali,
> > >>
> > >> I don't disagree with your assessment.  In actuality, Johnzon has only
> > >> added one committer in its 22 months in the incubator, who later
> joined
> > >> their PPMC and is now slated to be their VP.  However, adding
> committers
> > >> isn't the only form of community growth we expect to see when
> > graduating.
> > >> JIRA tickets, user input and seeing the developers interact on the
> > various
> > >> lists are also taken into account.
> > >>
> > >
> > >
> > >> The fact that the podling has some potential new committers in the
> > >> pipeline
> > >> is also great to hear.
> > >>
> > >> The minimum viable project is three PMC members.  Johnzon is a bit
> > bigger
> > >> than that.  You also have to keep in mind that there are some projects
> > >> that
> > >> are just gigantic.  Not every project needs to match that structure.
> > >>
> > >
> > > I did some more research and looked at the proposed PMC participation
> in
> > > the 10 Johnzon release votes (see attachment) and there are four active
> > > members. I will withdraw my vote, but I think Johnzon with 4 people and
> > > only 2 really active on the code is borderline and it needs to recruit
> > more
> > > people to be sustainable long term.
> > >
> > > Niall
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >>
> > >> John
> > >>
> > >> On Sun, Apr 3, 2016 at 5:58 PM Niall Pemberton <
> > niall.pember...@gmail.com
> > >> >
> > >> wrote:
> > >>
> > >> > On Sun, Apr 3, 2016 at 8:26 PM, Mark Struberg
> >  > >> >
> > >> > wrote:
> > >> >
> > >> > > Please look at more current data
> > >> > >
> > >> > > https://github.com/apache/incubator-johnzon/graphs/contributors
> > >> >
> > >> >
> > >> > I didn't see your commits today - but otherwise doesn't look alot
> > >> > difference.
> > >> >
> > >> > Also note that there are patches applied from contributors via Jira
> > >> patches
> > >> > > and NOT via git-pull. Thus they show not up in the graph above.
> > >> > >
> > >> > > From that category we have Reinhard Sandtner (apacheId rsandtner)
> > >> which
> > >> > is
> > >> > > closely looked for as potential committer and Karl Grosse (also on
> > our
> > >> > > watch list). Both provided patches and contributed in hacking
> > >> sessions.
> > >> > >
> > >> >
> > >> > Thats great, but I agree with the  June, Sept & Dec 2015 board
> reports
> > >> > about growing the committers/ppmc - and I don't understand why that
> > was
> > >> > reported as a graduation requirement and now its not and Johnzon is
> > >> ready?
> > >> >
> > >> > Niall
> > >> >
> > >> >
> > >> >
> > >> >
> > >> > >
> > >> > >
> > >> > > 

Re: Clarification - Post graduation acitivities

[Sravya Tirukkovalur]

Makes sense, thanks John! Removed both items from the guide.

Regards!

On Mon, Apr 4, 2016 at 3:12 PM, John D. Ament  wrote:

> On Mon, Apr 4, 2016 at 5:50 PM Sravya Tirukkovalur 
> wrote:
>
> > I am sorry, when you say both can be deleted, what does "both" refer to
> > here?
> >
>
> Sravya,
>
> You mentioned two items in the graduation guide.  My comment is that both
> can be deleted from the graduation guide.  The ASF has moved its
> infrastructure beyond the point where either of these items would be an
> issue for any podling.  In the past, podling websites were hosted as
> incubator.apache.org/{podling} 
> now the website is
> podling.incubator.apache.org.  The domain structure is completely
> different
> and disparate from the incubator's.  Podlings would never even have a
> directory under incubator any longer.  In addition, wikis are always
> provisioned outside of the incubator.
>
>
> HTH,
>
> John
>
>
> >
> > On Mon, Apr 4, 2016 at 1:04 PM, John D. Ament 
> > wrote:
> >
> > > I'm pretty sure both can be deleted.
> > >
> > > On Mon, Apr 4, 2016 at 3:49 PM Sravya Tirukkovalur 
> > > wrote:
> > >
> > > > Hello all,
> > > >
> > > > We are going over the post graduation activities for Sentry and am
> > unsure
> > > > of these two points stated at:
> > > >
> > http://incubator.apache.org/guides/graduation.html#life-after-graduation
> > > >
> > > > " Delete the podling website from/www/
> > > > incubator.apache.org/content/${podling-name}
> 
> > 
> > > >  on
> > > > people.apache.org if
> > > > possible. It won't be possible to remove the ${podling-name}
> directory
> > > > (because incubator uses svnpubsub). If the podling also used
> svnpubsub
> > it
> > > > won't be possible to delete the files either. File a JIRA ticket
> under
> > > > INFRA and ask for the remains to be removed."
> > > >
> > > > With peoples.apache.org move, I am unsure if this is still relevant?
> > As
> > > I
> > > > cannot ssh into people.apache.org any more. By the way, our website
> is
> > > at
> > > > https://svn.apache.org/repos/asf/sentry/site/trunk/ so unsure if
> this
> > > item
> > > > is relevant for us.
> > > >
> > > > 2. *(Top level projects)* request <
> > > http://www.apache.org/dev/infra-contact>
> > > > a
> > > > new wiki.
> > > > I do not think this is required as our wiki space is not within
> > > incubator (
> > > > https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/SENTRY/Home) . Thoughts?
> > > >
> > > > Thanks!
> > > >
> > >
> >
> >
> >
> > --
> > Sravya Tirukkovalur
> >
>



-- 
Sravya Tirukkovalur

Re: [VOTE] Graduate Johnzon from the Incubator

[Ted Dunning]

My suggestion would be to work on building community first.

Not pulling in new committers and PMC members is evidence of a serious
community bug. It could be lack of marketing, unfriendly natives,
cliquishness or an idea that just doesn't have legs. Probably it is
something I didn't think of.

In any case, it would be a really good idea for the current community to
show that they can deal with this problem so we don't wind up with a
top-level project that doesn't work.

Also, even though I have no idea if it is a reasonable outcome, you should
always explore the question of where the overhead of a top-level Apache
project is even the appropriate outcome. Such a self-examination is always
a bit hard and can be very emotionally overloaded, but it is important to
stop for a moment to consider what the best outcome for the project, the
users of the project and the members of the project really is. For some
projects, graduation as a small TLP is right. For somewhat more projects,
transition to a non-Apache project structure is right.

In most cases, however, it really is best to slog a bit longer and get good
at building up the community.






On Mon, Apr 4, 2016 at 1:14 PM, Jean-Louis MONTEIRO 
wrote:

> So, what are the next steps?
>
> Do we have to postpone the graduation and try to bring up more contributors
> before?
> Or do we want to still graduate and work out the community growth after?
>
> Jean-Louis
>
>
>
> Le lun. 4 avr. 2016 à 02:50, Niall Pemberton  a
> écrit :
>
> > On Sun, Apr 3, 2016 at 11:54 PM, John D. Ament 
> > wrote:
> >
> >> Niali,
> >>
> >> I don't disagree with your assessment.  In actuality, Johnzon has only
> >> added one committer in its 22 months in the incubator, who later joined
> >> their PPMC and is now slated to be their VP.  However, adding committers
> >> isn't the only form of community growth we expect to see when
> graduating.
> >> JIRA tickets, user input and seeing the developers interact on the
> various
> >> lists are also taken into account.
> >>
> >
> >
> >> The fact that the podling has some potential new committers in the
> >> pipeline
> >> is also great to hear.
> >>
> >> The minimum viable project is three PMC members.  Johnzon is a bit
> bigger
> >> than that.  You also have to keep in mind that there are some projects
> >> that
> >> are just gigantic.  Not every project needs to match that structure.
> >>
> >
> > I did some more research and looked at the proposed PMC participation in
> > the 10 Johnzon release votes (see attachment) and there are four active
> > members. I will withdraw my vote, but I think Johnzon with 4 people and
> > only 2 really active on the code is borderline and it needs to recruit
> more
> > people to be sustainable long term.
> >
> > Niall
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >>
> >> John
> >>
> >> On Sun, Apr 3, 2016 at 5:58 PM Niall Pemberton <
> niall.pember...@gmail.com
> >> >
> >> wrote:
> >>
> >> > On Sun, Apr 3, 2016 at 8:26 PM, Mark Struberg
>  >> >
> >> > wrote:
> >> >
> >> > > Please look at more current data
> >> > >
> >> > > https://github.com/apache/incubator-johnzon/graphs/contributors
> >> >
> >> >
> >> > I didn't see your commits today - but otherwise doesn't look alot
> >> > difference.
> >> >
> >> > Also note that there are patches applied from contributors via Jira
> >> patches
> >> > > and NOT via git-pull. Thus they show not up in the graph above.
> >> > >
> >> > > From that category we have Reinhard Sandtner (apacheId rsandtner)
> >> which
> >> > is
> >> > > closely looked for as potential committer and Karl Grosse (also on
> our
> >> > > watch list). Both provided patches and contributed in hacking
> >> sessions.
> >> > >
> >> >
> >> > Thats great, but I agree with the  June, Sept & Dec 2015 board reports
> >> > about growing the committers/ppmc - and I don't understand why that
> was
> >> > reported as a graduation requirement and now its not and Johnzon is
> >> ready?
> >> >
> >> > Niall
> >> >
> >> >
> >> >
> >> >
> >> > >
> >> > >
> >> > > LieGrue,
> >> > > strub
> >> > >
> >> > >
> >> > >
> >> > >
> >> > >
> >> > > > On Sunday, 3 April 2016, 20:18, Niall Pemberton <
> >> > > niall.pember...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >> > > > > Johnzon reports for June, Sept & Dec 2015 all listed "adding new
> >> > > > committers/pmc members" in the "most important issues to address
> in
> >> > > > the
> >> > > > move towards graduation" - but in that time there were no changes
> to
> >> > the
> >> > > > community. So what changed to make the ppmc/mentors now think the
> >> > project
> >> > > > is ready to graduate?
> >> > > >
> >> > > > Johnzon has added Hendrik Saly as a committer/ppmc member (Aug
> 2014
> >> /
> >> > Apr
> >> > > > 2015), but of the 6 original committers listed on the original
> >> > proposal,
> >> > > > only 3 are on proposed TLP, so the statement in the Maturity model
> >> > saying
> >> > > > "List of commmitters and PPMC 

Re: Clarification - Post graduation acitivities

[John D. Ament]

On Mon, Apr 4, 2016 at 5:50 PM Sravya Tirukkovalur 
wrote:

> I am sorry, when you say both can be deleted, what does "both" refer to
> here?
>

Sravya,

You mentioned two items in the graduation guide.  My comment is that both
can be deleted from the graduation guide.  The ASF has moved its
infrastructure beyond the point where either of these items would be an
issue for any podling.  In the past, podling websites were hosted as
incubator.apache.org/{podling} now the website is
podling.incubator.apache.org.  The domain structure is completely different
and disparate from the incubator's.  Podlings would never even have a
directory under incubator any longer.  In addition, wikis are always
provisioned outside of the incubator.


HTH,

John


>
> On Mon, Apr 4, 2016 at 1:04 PM, John D. Ament 
> wrote:
>
> > I'm pretty sure both can be deleted.
> >
> > On Mon, Apr 4, 2016 at 3:49 PM Sravya Tirukkovalur 
> > wrote:
> >
> > > Hello all,
> > >
> > > We are going over the post graduation activities for Sentry and am
> unsure
> > > of these two points stated at:
> > >
> http://incubator.apache.org/guides/graduation.html#life-after-graduation
> > >
> > > " Delete the podling website from/www/
> > > incubator.apache.org/content/${podling-name}
> 
> > >  on
> > > people.apache.org if
> > > possible. It won't be possible to remove the ${podling-name} directory
> > > (because incubator uses svnpubsub). If the podling also used svnpubsub
> it
> > > won't be possible to delete the files either. File a JIRA ticket under
> > > INFRA and ask for the remains to be removed."
> > >
> > > With peoples.apache.org move, I am unsure if this is still relevant?
> As
> > I
> > > cannot ssh into people.apache.org any more. By the way, our website is
> > at
> > > https://svn.apache.org/repos/asf/sentry/site/trunk/ so unsure if this
> > item
> > > is relevant for us.
> > >
> > > 2. *(Top level projects)* request <
> > http://www.apache.org/dev/infra-contact>
> > > a
> > > new wiki.
> > > I do not think this is required as our wiki space is not within
> > incubator (
> > > https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/SENTRY/Home) . Thoughts?
> > >
> > > Thanks!
> > >
> >
>
>
>
> --
> Sravya Tirukkovalur
>

Re: Clarification - Post graduation acitivities

[Sravya Tirukkovalur]

I am sorry, when you say both can be deleted, what does "both" refer to
here?

On Mon, Apr 4, 2016 at 1:04 PM, John D. Ament  wrote:

> I'm pretty sure both can be deleted.
>
> On Mon, Apr 4, 2016 at 3:49 PM Sravya Tirukkovalur 
> wrote:
>
> > Hello all,
> >
> > We are going over the post graduation activities for Sentry and am unsure
> > of these two points stated at:
> > http://incubator.apache.org/guides/graduation.html#life-after-graduation
> >
> > " Delete the podling website from/www/
> > incubator.apache.org/content/${podling-name}
> >  on
> > people.apache.org if
> > possible. It won't be possible to remove the ${podling-name} directory
> > (because incubator uses svnpubsub). If the podling also used svnpubsub it
> > won't be possible to delete the files either. File a JIRA ticket under
> > INFRA and ask for the remains to be removed."
> >
> > With peoples.apache.org move, I am unsure if this is still relevant? As
> I
> > cannot ssh into people.apache.org any more. By the way, our website is
> at
> > https://svn.apache.org/repos/asf/sentry/site/trunk/ so unsure if this
> item
> > is relevant for us.
> >
> > 2. *(Top level projects)* request <
> http://www.apache.org/dev/infra-contact>
> > a
> > new wiki.
> > I do not think this is required as our wiki space is not within
> incubator (
> > https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/SENTRY/Home) . Thoughts?
> >
> > Thanks!
> >
>



-- 
Sravya Tirukkovalur

Re: wiki access

[Nick Burch]

On Mon, 4 Apr 2016, Matt Post wrote:
I am a contributor to an Apache incubator project (Joshua) and have 
created a wiki account (MattPost). Can I please have write access to:


https://wiki.apache.org/incubator/April2016


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wiki access

[Matt Post]

Hello,

I am a contributor to an Apache incubator project (Joshua) and have created a 
wiki account (MattPost). Can I please have write access to:

https://wiki.apache.org/incubator/April2016 


Thanks,
Matt Post

Re: [VOTE] Graduate Johnzon from the Incubator

[Jean-Louis MONTEIRO]

So, what are the next steps?

Do we have to postpone the graduation and try to bring up more contributors
before?
Or do we want to still graduate and work out the community growth after?

Jean-Louis



Le lun. 4 avr. 2016 à 02:50, Niall Pemberton  a
écrit :

> On Sun, Apr 3, 2016 at 11:54 PM, John D. Ament 
> wrote:
>
>> Niali,
>>
>> I don't disagree with your assessment.  In actuality, Johnzon has only
>> added one committer in its 22 months in the incubator, who later joined
>> their PPMC and is now slated to be their VP.  However, adding committers
>> isn't the only form of community growth we expect to see when graduating.
>> JIRA tickets, user input and seeing the developers interact on the various
>> lists are also taken into account.
>>
>
>
>> The fact that the podling has some potential new committers in the
>> pipeline
>> is also great to hear.
>>
>> The minimum viable project is three PMC members.  Johnzon is a bit bigger
>> than that.  You also have to keep in mind that there are some projects
>> that
>> are just gigantic.  Not every project needs to match that structure.
>>
>
> I did some more research and looked at the proposed PMC participation in
> the 10 Johnzon release votes (see attachment) and there are four active
> members. I will withdraw my vote, but I think Johnzon with 4 people and
> only 2 really active on the code is borderline and it needs to recruit more
> people to be sustainable long term.
>
> Niall
>
>
>
>
>>
>> John
>>
>> On Sun, Apr 3, 2016 at 5:58 PM Niall Pemberton > >
>> wrote:
>>
>> > On Sun, Apr 3, 2016 at 8:26 PM, Mark Struberg > >
>> > wrote:
>> >
>> > > Please look at more current data
>> > >
>> > > https://github.com/apache/incubator-johnzon/graphs/contributors
>> >
>> >
>> > I didn't see your commits today - but otherwise doesn't look alot
>> > difference.
>> >
>> > Also note that there are patches applied from contributors via Jira
>> patches
>> > > and NOT via git-pull. Thus they show not up in the graph above.
>> > >
>> > > From that category we have Reinhard Sandtner (apacheId rsandtner)
>> which
>> > is
>> > > closely looked for as potential committer and Karl Grosse (also on our
>> > > watch list). Both provided patches and contributed in hacking
>> sessions.
>> > >
>> >
>> > Thats great, but I agree with the  June, Sept & Dec 2015 board reports
>> > about growing the committers/ppmc - and I don't understand why that was
>> > reported as a graduation requirement and now its not and Johnzon is
>> ready?
>> >
>> > Niall
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > >
>> > >
>> > > LieGrue,
>> > > strub
>> > >
>> > >
>> > >
>> > >
>> > >
>> > > > On Sunday, 3 April 2016, 20:18, Niall Pemberton <
>> > > niall.pember...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> > > > > Johnzon reports for June, Sept & Dec 2015 all listed "adding new
>> > > > committers/pmc members" in the "most important issues to address in
>> > > > the
>> > > > move towards graduation" - but in that time there were no changes to
>> > the
>> > > > community. So what changed to make the ppmc/mentors now think the
>> > project
>> > > > is ready to graduate?
>> > > >
>> > > > Johnzon has added Hendrik Saly as a committer/ppmc member (Aug 2014
>> /
>> > Apr
>> > > > 2015), but of the 6 original committers listed on the original
>> > proposal,
>> > > > only 3 are on proposed TLP, so the statement in the Maturity model
>> > saying
>> > > > "List of commmitters and PPMC members has grown during incubation"
>> is
>> > > > a bit
>> > > > misleading.
>> > > >
>> > > > From looking at commits, there are only 2 active people[1] and for
>> me
>> > > thats
>> > > > a concern for the projects long term viability and so my vote is -1
>> to
>> > > > graduation.
>> > > >
>> > > > [1] http://markmail.org/search/?q=list%3Aorg.apache.fleece.commits
>> > > >
>> > > > Niall
>> > > >
>> > > >
>> > > > On Fri, Apr 1, 2016 at 8:49 PM, Hendrik Dev > >
>> > > > wrote:
>> > > >
>> > > >>  The Apache Johnzon community has discussed and voted on
>> graduation to
>> > > >>  a top level project. The vote passed with 8 +1 votes (5 from the
>> > PPMC)
>> > > >>  and no 0 or -1 votes.
>> > > >>
>> > > >>  Incubation Status:
>> > > >>  http://incubator.apache.org/projects/johnzon.html
>> > > >>  Maturity Assessment:
>> > > >>  https://s.apache.org/d88S
>> > > >
>> > > >
>> > > >>  Discussions:
>> > > >>  https://s.apache.org/5vxO
>> > > >>  https://s.apache.org/8VkX
>> > > >>  Vote:
>> > > >>  https://s.apache.org/suuK
>> > > >>  (http://markmail.org/message/mawumtfqokgye5xn)
>> > > >>  Result:
>> > > >>  https://s.apache.org/Erd0
>> > > >>  (http://markmail.org/message/qmqvk56ccqkq2gob)
>> > > >>
>> > > >>  Please vote on the resolution pasted below to graduate Apache
>> Johnzon
>> > > >>  from the incubator to top level project.
>> > > >>
>> > > >>  [ ] +1 Graduate Apache Johnzon from the Incubator.
>> > > >>  [ ] +0 Don't care.
>> > > >>  

Re: Clarification - Post graduation acitivities

[John D. Ament]

I'm pretty sure both can be deleted.

On Mon, Apr 4, 2016 at 3:49 PM Sravya Tirukkovalur 
wrote:

> Hello all,
>
> We are going over the post graduation activities for Sentry and am unsure
> of these two points stated at:
> http://incubator.apache.org/guides/graduation.html#life-after-graduation
>
> " Delete the podling website from/www/
> incubator.apache.org/content/${podling-name}
>  on
> people.apache.org if
> possible. It won't be possible to remove the ${podling-name} directory
> (because incubator uses svnpubsub). If the podling also used svnpubsub it
> won't be possible to delete the files either. File a JIRA ticket under
> INFRA and ask for the remains to be removed."
>
> With peoples.apache.org move, I am unsure if this is still relevant? As I
> cannot ssh into people.apache.org any more. By the way, our website is at
> https://svn.apache.org/repos/asf/sentry/site/trunk/ so unsure if this item
> is relevant for us.
>
> 2. *(Top level projects)* request 
> a
> new wiki.
> I do not think this is required as our wiki space is not within incubator (
> https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/SENTRY/Home) . Thoughts?
>
> Thanks!
>

Re: Need access to Incubator Wiki

[Nick Burch]

On Mon, 4 Apr 2016, Gino Bustelo wrote:

Ok... so then lets try it with user 'GinoBustelo'


OK, GinoBustelo granted karma too!

Nick

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Clarification - Post graduation acitivities

[Sravya Tirukkovalur]

Hello all,

We are going over the post graduation activities for Sentry and am unsure
of these two points stated at:
http://incubator.apache.org/guides/graduation.html#life-after-graduation

" Delete the podling website from/www/
incubator.apache.org/content/${podling-name} on people.apache.org if
possible. It won't be possible to remove the ${podling-name} directory
(because incubator uses svnpubsub). If the podling also used svnpubsub it
won't be possible to delete the files either. File a JIRA ticket under
INFRA and ask for the remains to be removed."

With peoples.apache.org move, I am unsure if this is still relevant? As I
cannot ssh into people.apache.org any more. By the way, our website is at
https://svn.apache.org/repos/asf/sentry/site/trunk/ so unsure if this item
is relevant for us.

2. *(Top level projects)* request  a
new wiki.
I do not think this is required as our wiki space is not within incubator (
https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/SENTRY/Home) . Thoughts?

Thanks!

Re: Need access to Incubator Wiki

[Gino Bustelo]

Ok... so then lets try it with user 'GinoBustelo'

On Mon, Apr 4, 2016 at 1:33 PM, Nick Burch  wrote:

> On Mon, 4 Apr 2016, Gino Bustelo wrote:
>
>> I tried to log in with 'lbustelo'. I don't have a password so I asked it
>> to be sent this morning. Still no mail.
>>
>
> Normally the process is to create an account, setting your password at
> that time, then ask us to grant that new account wiki karma
>
> What happens when you try with the password you gave when you regsitered
> for a wiki account?
>
> (Note - the wiki doesn't use the main Apache ID ldap database!)
>
>
> Nick
>
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Re: Need access to Incubator Wiki

[Nick Burch]

On Mon, 4 Apr 2016, Gino Bustelo wrote:
I tried to log in with 'lbustelo'. I don't have a password so I asked it 
to be sent this morning. Still no mail.


Normally the process is to create an account, setting your password at 
that time, then ask us to grant that new account wiki karma


What happens when you try with the password you gave when you regsitered 
for a wiki account?


(Note - the wiki doesn't use the main Apache ID ldap database!)

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Re: Need access to Incubator Wiki

[Gino Bustelo]

Nick,

I tried to log in with 'lbustelo'. I don't have a password so I asked it to
be sent this morning. Still no mail.

On Thu, Mar 3, 2016 at 10:07 AM, Nick Burch  wrote:

> On Thu, 3 Mar 2016, Gino Bustelo wrote:
>
>> lbustelo
>>
>
> Karma granted, enjoy editing!
>
>
> Nick
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Re: Incubator Wiki Access

[Marvin Humphrey]

On Mon, Apr 4, 2016 at 11:00 AM, Lee  wrote:
> Can I get access to edit the Incubator wiki, too?
>
> Username: EvangeliaDendramis

Done.

Marvin Humphrey

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Re: Incubator Wiki Access

[Lee]

Can I get access to edit the Incubator wiki, too?

Username: EvangeliaDendramis
Apache id: edendramis
project: Apache FreeMarker (incubating)

On Mon, Apr 4, 2016 at 4:00 AM, Bertrand Delacretaz 
wrote:

> On Mon, Apr 4, 2016 at 12:57 PM, Evan Hughes 
> wrote:
> ...
> > Username: EvanHughes
> ...
>
> done!
> -Bertrand
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Re: [VOTE] MADlib v1.9-rc1

[Frank McQuillan]

Hi Justin,

The only new files are build related cmake or yaml files.   We
reviewed the policy
regarding files that do not require a license header from the apache
website (http://www.apache.org/legal/src-headers.html).

"A file without any degree of creativity in either its literal elements or
its structure is not protected by copyright law; therefore, such a file
does not require a license header."

Since the files in question are simple lists, we placed them in the exclude
list.

Kindly let us know if this is reasonable.

Frank

On Sun, Apr 3, 2016 at 3:49 PM, Justin Mclean 
wrote:

> Hi,
>
> Are the new files added since the previous release (and missing Apache
> headers) be considered under the Apache license or BSD license?
>
> Thanks,
> Justin
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Re: [IP CLEARANCE] Sling Dynamic Includes

[Bertrand Delacretaz]

On Wed, Mar 30, 2016 at 5:46 PM, Bertrand Delacretaz
 wrote:
> ...Apache Sling is receiving code for a new Sling Dynamic Includes module.
> See http://incubator.apache.org/ip-clearance/sling-dynamic-includes.html ...

This passes by lazy consensus, thanks!

I'll update the above page and proceed with the code provided at SLING-5594 .

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Re: Incubator Wiki Access

[Bertrand Delacretaz]

On Mon, Apr 4, 2016 at 12:57 PM, Evan Hughes  wrote:
...
> Username: EvanHughes
...

done!
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Incubator Wiki Access

[Evan Hughes]

Hello all,

Just wondering if someone could give me access to edit the Incubator wiki,

Username: EvanHughes
Apache id: wisebaldone
project: Apache Wave (incubating)

thanks
Evan Hughes