Re: [gentoo-user] Helvetica fonts
On Wed, 8 Mar 2017 13:56:10 -0700, Thelma (the...@sys-concept.com) wrote about "Re: [gentoo-user] Helvetica fonts" (in <9a5a-731b-79c8-11c5-843caf8c5...@sys-concept.com>): [snip] > The "Tbird_msg.pdf" you attached and other pdf files that I downloaded > from different places are using: DejaVuSans.ttf font as well but they > look much, much nicer than the one I create using my Firefox. I don't think any particular font is the problem. I think it is the font selection that is causing issues. > XFT_DEBUG=1 flpsed Tbird_msg.pdf > XFT_DEBUG=1 > XftFontInfoFill: /usr/share/fonts/dejavu/DejaVuSans.ttf: 0 (14 pixels) What does the Xfont debug trace say about your problem documents? -- Regards, Dave [RLU #314465] *-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-* dwn...@ntlworld.com (David W Noon) *-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*
Re: [gentoo-user] Helvetica fonts
On 03/08/2017 11:32 AM, David W Noon wrote: > On Tue, 7 Mar 2017 16:39:55 -0700, Thelma (the...@sys-concept.com) wrote > about "Re: [gentoo-user] Helvetica fonts" (in > <9082ed1b-ccad-31e6-36ff-33feb2d0c...@sys-concept.com>): > > [snip] >> The two PFD documents that I created using both versions of Firefox: >> www-client/firefox >> www-client/firefox-bin >> >> from pdfinfo: >> Producer: cairo 1.9.5 (using Firefox) >> Producer: pdfTeX-1.40.16 (using Firefox) >> >> Both files are having problem viewing fonts using "flpsed". > > I have created a PDF of your message to which this message is replying. > I used Thunderbird, which uses cairo-1.9.5 also. See if the attached > document renders correctly with flpsed. If it does, the culprit will > likely be pdfTeX-1.40.16. If it looks ugly, it could well be Cairo -- > but given Cairo's purpose, that seems unlikely. > The "Tbird_msg.pdf" you attached and other pdf files that I downloaded from different places are using: DejaVuSans.ttf font as well but they look much, much nicer than the one I create using my Firefox. XFT_DEBUG=1 flpsed Tbird_msg.pdf XFT_DEBUG=1 XftFontInfoFill: /usr/share/fonts/dejavu/DejaVuSans.ttf: 0 (14 pixels) -- Thelma
Re: [gentoo-user] Helvetica fonts
On 03/08/2017 01:29 PM, James Cloos wrote: >> "t" == thelma writes: > > t> Which package contain "Helvetica" font? > t> I'm using "flpsed" and apparently it is using Helvetica font, which > t> "eselect fontconfig list" is not showing anything that resemble "helvet" > t> "eix helvet" is not showing anything either. > > t> The fonts in "flpsed" display are very rugged/pixelated, it is hard to > t> look at them. > > I read a number of posts in this thread; few had anything useful to say... > > First of all, FL_HELVETICA is a #define from fltk. > > Cf http://www.fltk.org/doc-1.1/enumerations.html > > So with which USE flags have you compiled fltk? > > If you have eix installed, eix fltk will show them. > > You probably want the xft and/or cairo flags enabled. > > If you have xft, fltk will use fontconfig and client-side fonts. > > And then running: > > :; fc-match helvetica > > will show you which font fontconfig will use when asked for helvetica. > > Also, try this: > > :; XFT_DEBUG=1 flpsed > > If fltk uses xft, then that will show you which fonts it selected. > > If nothing prints than fltk is compiled to use server-side fonts. > Which you probably prefer to avoid. > > -JimC Thank you Jim for the input. Yes, fltk is compiled with: cairo xfl eix fltk Installed versions: 1.3.3-r3(1)(01:43:37 PM 03/07/2017)(cairo opengl threads xft xinerama -debug -doc -examples -games -static-libs) fc-match helvetica Helvetica.pfa: "Helvetica" "Regular" XFT_DEBUG=1 flpsed invoice_5566.pdf XFT_DEBUG=1 XftFontInfoFill: /usr/share/fonts/dejavu/DejaVuSans.ttf: 0 (14 pixels) So I have Helvetica but flpsed is using DejaVuSans.ttf, question is why? -- Regards Thelma
Re: [gentoo-user] Helvetica fonts
> "t" == thelma writes: t> Which package contain "Helvetica" font? t> I'm using "flpsed" and apparently it is using Helvetica font, which t> "eselect fontconfig list" is not showing anything that resemble "helvet" t> "eix helvet" is not showing anything either. t> The fonts in "flpsed" display are very rugged/pixelated, it is hard to t> look at them. I read a number of posts in this thread; few had anything useful to say... First of all, FL_HELVETICA is a #define from fltk. Cf http://www.fltk.org/doc-1.1/enumerations.html So with which USE flags have you compiled fltk? If you have eix installed, eix fltk will show them. You probably want the xft and/or cairo flags enabled. If you have xft, fltk will use fontconfig and client-side fonts. And then running: :; fc-match helvetica will show you which font fontconfig will use when asked for helvetica. Also, try this: :; XFT_DEBUG=1 flpsed If fltk uses xft, then that will show you which fonts it selected. If nothing prints than fltk is compiled to use server-side fonts. Which you probably prefer to avoid. -JimC -- James Cloos OpenPGP: 0x997A9F17ED7DAEA6
Re: [gentoo-user] Helvetica fonts
On Tue, 7 Mar 2017 16:39:55 -0700, Thelma (the...@sys-concept.com) wrote about "Re: [gentoo-user] Helvetica fonts" (in <9082ed1b-ccad-31e6-36ff-33feb2d0c...@sys-concept.com>): [snip] > The two PFD documents that I created using both versions of Firefox: > www-client/firefox > www-client/firefox-bin > > from pdfinfo: > Producer: cairo 1.9.5 (using Firefox) > Producer: pdfTeX-1.40.16 (using Firefox) > > Both files are having problem viewing fonts using "flpsed". I have created a PDF of your message to which this message is replying. I used Thunderbird, which uses cairo-1.9.5 also. See if the attached document renders correctly with flpsed. If it does, the culprit will likely be pdfTeX-1.40.16. If it looks ugly, it could well be Cairo -- but given Cairo's purpose, that seems unlikely. -- Regards, Dave [RLU #314465] *-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-* dwn...@ntlworld.com (David W Noon) *-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-* Tbird_msg.pdf Description: Adobe PDF document
Re: [gentoo-user] Helvetica fonts
On 03/07/2017 03:11 PM, David W Noon wrote: > On Tue, 7 Mar 2017 14:20:54 -0700, Thelma (the...@sys-concept.com) wrote > about "Re: [gentoo-user] Helvetica fonts" (in > ): > > [snip] >> It seems to me the problem is the creator of the pdf document (on my >> system): pdfTeX-1.40.16 or cairo 1.9.5 > > Cairo should not be part of the problem. It is a vector rendering > library. The part of X.Org that renders text is Pango. > >> Viewing these document via evnce, gv, gimp etc it show normal, nice >> fonts; but when I open (same document) locally created via "flpsed" the >> fonts are very rough. >> >> When I try to open any other PDF file via "flpsed", not created by me, >> the fonts are nice looking. > > Okay, I think we are getting somewhere now. > > If evince shows the documents well, but flpsed does not, it would seem > to me that the documents contain ambiguous font information. The other > PDF viewers [evince, gv, etc.] seem able to resolve the ambiguity, but > flpsed does not. This would indicate that the documents are not well formed. > > Can you try another PDF builder, such as LibreOffice or OpenOffice? > > If flpsed renders these PDF's well then your PDF builder is at fault. It > is putting into the documents font specifications that do not match the > installed fonts. The other PDF viewers possibly use a fuzzy matching > algorithm that overcomes the ambiguity to select a suitable font. Yes, I think this is the correct conclusion. I created PDF file using OpenOffice: Creator:OpenOffice 4.1.2 and flpsed displays the fonts very nice. The two PFD documents that I created using both versions of Firefox: www-client/firefox www-client/firefox-bin from pdfinfo: Producer: cairo 1.9.5 (using Firefox) Producer: pdfTeX-1.40.16 (using Firefox) Both files are having problem viewing fonts using "flpsed". -- Thelma
Re: [gentoo-user] Helvetica fonts
On Tue, 7 Mar 2017 14:20:54 -0700, Thelma (the...@sys-concept.com) wrote about "Re: [gentoo-user] Helvetica fonts" (in ): [snip] > It seems to me the problem is the creator of the pdf document (on my > system): pdfTeX-1.40.16 or cairo 1.9.5 Cairo should not be part of the problem. It is a vector rendering library. The part of X.Org that renders text is Pango. > Viewing these document via evnce, gv, gimp etc it show normal, nice > fonts; but when I open (same document) locally created via "flpsed" the > fonts are very rough. > > When I try to open any other PDF file via "flpsed", not created by me, > the fonts are nice looking. Okay, I think we are getting somewhere now. If evince shows the documents well, but flpsed does not, it would seem to me that the documents contain ambiguous font information. The other PDF viewers [evince, gv, etc.] seem able to resolve the ambiguity, but flpsed does not. This would indicate that the documents are not well formed. Can you try another PDF builder, such as LibreOffice or OpenOffice? If flpsed renders these PDF's well then your PDF builder is at fault. It is putting into the documents font specifications that do not match the installed fonts. The other PDF viewers possibly use a fuzzy matching algorithm that overcomes the ambiguity to select a suitable font. -- Regards, Dave [RLU #314465] *-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-* dwn...@ntlworld.com (David W Noon) *-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*
Re: [gentoo-user] Helvetica fonts
On 03/07/2017 01:47 PM, David W Noon wrote: > On Tue, 7 Mar 2017 13:19:33 -0700, the...@sys-concept.com > (the...@sys-concept.com) wrote about Re: [gentoo-user] Helvetica fonts: > > [snip] >> fc-list | egrep 'Helvetica' | sort > > This last one should give you what you need: > >> /usr/share/fonts/Helvetica/Helvetica.pfa:Helvetica:style=Regular > >> The display far from samples fonts on wiki :-/ Sorry, was typing fast. I mean to say the display fonts via flpsed are not what is shown on wiki pages. > > I don't understand the above sentence. It seems to me the problem is the creator of the pdf document (on my system): pdfTeX-1.40.16 or cairo 1.9.5 Viewing these document via evnce, gv, gimp etc it show normal, nice fonts; but when I open (same document) locally created via "flpsed" the fonts are very rough. When I try to open any other PDF file via "flpsed", not created by me, the fonts are nice looking. So, maybe I'm looking in a wrong place. Here what is on my system: qlist -C -I texlive app-text/texlive app-text/texlive-core dev-texlive/texlive-basic dev-texlive/texlive-fontsrecommended dev-texlive/texlive-fontutils dev-texlive/texlive-genericrecommended dev-texlive/texlive-htmlxml dev-texlive/texlive-langenglish dev-texlive/texlive-latex dev-texlive/texlive-latexrecommended dev-texlive/texlive-metapost dev-texlive/texlive-pictures dev-texlive/texlive-texinfo Maybe I'm missing something. -- Thelma
Re: [gentoo-user] Helvetica fonts
On Tue, 7 Mar 2017 13:19:33 -0700, the...@sys-concept.com (the...@sys-concept.com) wrote about Re: [gentoo-user] Helvetica fonts: [snip] > fc-list | egrep 'Helvetica' | sort This last one should give you what you need: > /usr/share/fonts/Helvetica/Helvetica.pfa:Helvetica:style=Regular > The display far from samples fonts on wiki :-/ I don't understand the above sentence. > I've run into one posting suggesting use of "-xfl" flag in fltk - > package http://git.net/ml/lib.fltk.general/2004-08/msg00155.html Was that post about flpsed? > so I compiled x11-libs/fltk without xfl but it did not make any > difference. The flag is named xft. It won't help unless flpsed is written in C++ and uses the fltk toolkit. -- Regards, Dave [RLU #314465] *-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-* dwn...@ntlworld.com (David W Noon) *-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-* pgpoLylZlbsEk.pgp Description: OpenPGP digital signature
Re: [gentoo-user] Helvetica fonts
On 03/07/2017 12:47 PM, David W Noon wrote: > On Tue, 7 Mar 2017 11:49:44 -0700, Thelma (the...@sys-concept.com) wrote > about "Re: [gentoo-user] Helvetica fonts" (in > ): > [snip] > > Try the following, to see what fontconfig has cached: > > fc-list | egrep 'Helvetica' | sort | less fc-list | egrep 'Helvetica' | sort It shows them all: /usr/share/fonts/100dpi/helvB08-ISO8859-1.pcf.gz: Helvetica:style=Bold /usr/share/fonts/100dpi/helvB08.pcf.gz: Helvetica:style=Bold /usr/share/fonts/100dpi/helvB10-ISO8859-1.pcf.gz: Helvetica:style=Bold /usr/share/fonts/100dpi/helvB10.pcf.gz: Helvetica:style=Bold /usr/share/fonts/100dpi/helvB12-ISO8859-1.pcf.gz: Helvetica:style=Bold /usr/share/fonts/100dpi/helvB12.pcf.gz: Helvetica:style=Bold /usr/share/fonts/100dpi/helvB14-ISO8859-1.pcf.gz: Helvetica:style=Bold /usr/share/fonts/100dpi/helvB14.pcf.gz: Helvetica:style=Bold /usr/share/fonts/100dpi/helvB18-ISO8859-1.pcf.gz: Helvetica:style=Bold /usr/share/fonts/100dpi/helvB18.pcf.gz: Helvetica:style=Bold /usr/share/fonts/100dpi/helvB24-ISO8859-1.pcf.gz: Helvetica:style=Bold /usr/share/fonts/100dpi/helvB24.pcf.gz: Helvetica:style=Bold /usr/share/fonts/100dpi/helvBO08-ISO8859-1.pcf.gz: Helvetica:style=Bold Oblique /usr/share/fonts/100dpi/helvBO08.pcf.gz: Helvetica:style=Bold Oblique /usr/share/fonts/100dpi/helvBO10-ISO8859-1.pcf.gz: Helvetica:style=Bold Oblique /usr/share/fonts/100dpi/helvBO10.pcf.gz: Helvetica:style=Bold Oblique /usr/share/fonts/100dpi/helvBO12-ISO8859-1.pcf.gz: Helvetica:style=Bold Oblique /usr/share/fonts/100dpi/helvBO12.pcf.gz: Helvetica:style=Bold Oblique /usr/share/fonts/100dpi/helvBO14-ISO8859-1.pcf.gz: Helvetica:style=Bold Oblique /usr/share/fonts/100dpi/helvBO14.pcf.gz: Helvetica:style=Bold Oblique /usr/share/fonts/100dpi/helvBO18-ISO8859-1.pcf.gz: Helvetica:style=Bold Oblique /usr/share/fonts/100dpi/helvBO18.pcf.gz: Helvetica:style=Bold Oblique /usr/share/fonts/100dpi/helvBO24-ISO8859-1.pcf.gz: Helvetica:style=Bold Oblique /usr/share/fonts/100dpi/helvBO24.pcf.gz: Helvetica:style=Bold Oblique /usr/share/fonts/100dpi/helvO08-ISO8859-1.pcf.gz: Helvetica:style=Oblique /usr/share/fonts/100dpi/helvO08.pcf.gz: Helvetica:style=Oblique /usr/share/fonts/100dpi/helvO10-ISO8859-1.pcf.gz: Helvetica:style=Oblique /usr/share/fonts/100dpi/helvO10.pcf.gz: Helvetica:style=Oblique /usr/share/fonts/100dpi/helvO12-ISO8859-1.pcf.gz: Helvetica:style=Oblique /usr/share/fonts/100dpi/helvO12.pcf.gz: Helvetica:style=Oblique /usr/share/fonts/100dpi/helvO14-ISO8859-1.pcf.gz: Helvetica:style=Oblique /usr/share/fonts/100dpi/helvO14.pcf.gz: Helvetica:style=Oblique /usr/share/fonts/100dpi/helvO18-ISO8859-1.pcf.gz: Helvetica:style=Oblique /usr/share/fonts/100dpi/helvO18.pcf.gz: Helvetica:style=Oblique /usr/share/fonts/100dpi/helvO24-ISO8859-1.pcf.gz: Helvetica:style=Oblique /usr/share/fonts/100dpi/helvO24.pcf.gz: Helvetica:style=Oblique /usr/share/fonts/100dpi/helvR08-ISO8859-1.pcf.gz: Helvetica:style=Regular /usr/share/fonts/100dpi/helvR08.pcf.gz: Helvetica:style=Regular /usr/share/fonts/100dpi/helvR10-ISO8859-1.pcf.gz: Helvetica:style=Regular /usr/share/fonts/100dpi/helvR10.pcf.gz: Helvetica:style=Regular /usr/share/fonts/100dpi/helvR12-ISO8859-1.pcf.gz: Helvetica:style=Regular /usr/share/fonts/100dpi/helvR12.pcf.gz: Helvetica:style=Regular /usr/share/fonts/100dpi/helvR14-ISO8859-1.pcf.gz: Helvetica:style=Regular /usr/share/fonts/100dpi/helvR14.pcf.gz: Helvetica:style=Regular /usr/share/fonts/100dpi/helvR18-ISO8859-1.pcf.gz: Helvetica:style=Regular /usr/share/fonts/100dpi/helvR18.pcf.gz: Helvetica:style=Regular /usr/share/fonts/100dpi/helvR24-ISO8859-1.pcf.gz: Helvetica:style=Regular /usr/share/fonts/100dpi/helvR24.pcf.gz: Helvetica:style=Regular /usr/share/fonts/75dpi/helvB08-ISO8859-1.pcf.gz: Helvetica:style=Bold /usr/share/fonts/75dpi/helvB08.pcf.gz: Helvetica:style=Bold /usr/share/fonts/75dpi/helvB10-ISO8859-1.pcf.gz: Helvetica:style=Bold /usr/share/fonts/75dpi/helvB10.pcf.gz: Helvetica:style=Bold /usr/share/fonts/75dpi/helvB12-ISO8859-1.pcf.gz: Helvetica:style=Bold /usr/share/fonts/75dpi/helvB12.pcf.gz: Helvetica:style=Bold /usr/share/fonts/75dpi/helvB14-ISO8859-1.pcf.gz: Helvetica:style=Bold /usr/share/fonts/75dpi/helvB14.pcf.gz: Helvetica:style=Bold /usr/share/fonts/75dpi/helvB18-ISO8859-1.pcf.gz: Helvetica:style=Bold /usr/share/fonts/75dpi/helvB18.pcf.gz: Helvetica:style=Bold /usr/share/fonts/75dpi/helvB24-ISO8859-1.pcf.gz: Helvetica:style=Bold /usr/share/fonts/75dpi/helvB24.pcf.gz: Helvetica:style=Bold /usr/share/fonts/75dpi/helvBO08-ISO8859-1.pcf.gz: Helvetica:style=Bold Oblique /usr/share/fonts/75dpi/helvBO08.pcf.gz: Helvetica:style=Bold Oblique /usr/share/fonts/75dpi/helvBO10-ISO8859-1.pcf.gz: Helvetica:style=Bold Oblique /usr/share/fonts/75dpi/helvBO10.pcf.gz: Helvetica:style=Bold Oblique /usr/share/fonts/75dpi/helvBO12-ISO8859-1.pcf.gz: Helvetica:style=Bold Oblique /usr/share/fonts/75dpi/helvBO12.pcf.gz: Helvetica:style=Bold Oblique /usr/share/fonts/75dpi/h
Re: [gentoo-user] Helvetica fonts
On Tue, 7 Mar 2017 11:49:44 -0700, Thelma (the...@sys-concept.com) wrote about "Re: [gentoo-user] Helvetica fonts" (in ): [snip] >> I would start by deleting the *.ttf files in that directory (or move >> them elsewhere) and refreshing the font cache again. > > I removed them. > I have bunch of font helvetica: > find /usr/share/fonts/ -iname helv* > /usr/share/fonts/75dpi/helvBO12-ISO8859-14.pcf.gz > /usr/share/fonts/75dpi/helvB18-ISO8859-9.pcf.gz > /usr/share/fonts/75dpi/helvR24-ISO8859-14.pcf.gz > /usr/share/fonts/75dpi/helvBO10-ISO8859-4.pcf.gz > /usr/share/fonts/75dpi/helvR08-ISO8859-3.pcf.gz > /usr/share/fonts/75dpi/helvO14-ISO8859-3.pcf.gz > /usr/share/fonts/75dpi/helvB24-ISO8859-4.pcf.gz > /usr/share/fonts/75dpi/helvR14-ISO8859-9.pcf.gz > /usr/share/fonts/75dpi/helvB12-ISO8859-9.pcf.gz > /usr/share/fonts/75dpi/helvBO10-ISO8859-15.pcf.gz > /usr/share/fonts/75dpi/helvB18-ISO8859-1.pcf.gz > /usr/share/fonts/75dpi/helvR10-ISO8859-14.pcf.gz > /usr/share/fonts/75dpi/helvR12-ISO8859-15.pcf.gz Try the following, to see what fontconfig has cached: fc-list | egrep 'Helvetica' | sort | less > So which group do they belong to? The fonts above belong to the package media-fonts/fonts-adobe-75dpi. These are fonts optimized for rendering on display devices that have a pixel density of 75 dots per inch (dpi). A qlist for that package indicates that they do not have a fontconfig .conf file. However, fontconfig does cache them, since /usr/share/fonts is named in /etc/fonts/fonts.conf. > eselect fontconfig list [snip] The fonts configured by eselect are "exotic" fonts that are added to fontconfig. They are of no importance here. > I don't see anything starting with "helv" You won't see any such entry. > Maybe they are not enabled in my system? Run the fc-list command, as I suggested above. That will show you every font that purports to offer the Helvetica type face plus any other font attributes. Just to show you what to expect from Helvetica and Arial, here are a couple of Wikipedia articles: <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Helvetica> <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Arial> These articles contain sample text rendered in the respective fonts. This will help you recognize Helvetica when you get it working. -- Regards, Dave [RLU #314465] *-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-* dwn...@ntlworld.com (David W Noon) *-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-* signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature
Re: [gentoo-user] Helvetica fonts
On 03/06/2017 02:08 PM, Corbin Bird wrote: > On 03/06/2017 01:27 PM, the...@sys-concept.com wrote: >> Which package contain "Helvetica" font? >> >> I'm using "flpsed" and apparently it is using Helvetica font, which >> "eselect fontconfig list" is not showing anything that resemble "helvet" >> "eix helvet" is not showing anything either. >> >> The fonts in "flpsed" display are very rugged/pixelated, it is hard to >> look at them. >> > > This font package works for Helvetica deps in Mozilla / Firefox && CUPS. > > "media-fonts/liberation-fonts" > > > Reference Link : > https://packages.gentoo.org/packages/media-fonts/liberation-fonts > > > Corbin Yes, in the past "media-fonts/liberation-fonts" Installed versions: 2.00.1-r1(10:28:40 PM 05/08/2015)(X -fontforge) solved the problem, but it is not working this time. -- Thelma
Re: [gentoo-user] Helvetica fonts
Thelma On 03/07/2017 10:12 AM, David W Noon wrote: > On Mon, 6 Mar 2017 16:41:06 -0700, Thelma (the...@sys-concept.com) wrote > about "Re: [gentoo-user] Helvetica fonts" (in > <860e60f9-c35e-24cb-0de7-0ecc3de8b...@sys-concept.com>): > > [snip] >> I've emerge htmldoc copied their fonts to /usr/share/fonts/Helvetica/ >> unmerged htmldoc >> run: fc-cache -fv >> >> But the fonts in "flpsed" are still same looking (not impressive). >> >> I've the following fonts installed: >> ll /usr/share/fonts/Helvetica/ >> -rw-r--r-- 1 root root 31741 Mar 6 16:24 Helvetica.afm >> -rw-r--r-- 1 root root 31586 Mar 6 16:24 Helvetica-Bold.afm >> -rw-r--r-- 1 root root 31896 Mar 6 16:24 Helvetica-BoldOblique.afm >> -rw-r--r-- 1 root root 77039 Mar 6 16:24 Helvetica-BoldOblique.pfa >> -rw-r--r-- 1 root root 70803 Mar 6 16:24 Helvetica-Bold.pfa >> -rw-r--r-- 1 root root 39520 Mar 6 13:04 'Helvetica Neu Bold.ttf' >> -rw-r--r-- 1 root root 39520 Mar 6 13:04 HelveticaNeueBd.ttf >> -rw-r--r-- 1 root root 38016 Mar 6 13:04 'HelveticaNeue BlackCond.ttf' >> -rw-r--r-- 1 root root 39568 Mar 6 13:04 HelveticaNeueHv.ttf >> -rw-r--r-- 1 root root 43148 Mar 6 13:04 HelveticaNeueIt.ttf >> -rw-r--r-- 1 root root 40104 Mar 6 13:04 'HelveticaNeue Light.ttf' >> -rw-r--r-- 1 root root 40104 Mar 6 13:04 HelveticaNeueLt.ttf >> -rw-r--r-- 1 root root 39656 Mar 6 13:04 'HelveticaNeue Medium.ttf' >> -rw-r--r-- 1 root root 39656 Mar 6 13:04 HelveticaNeueMed.ttf >> -rw-r--r-- 1 root root 40144 Mar 6 13:04 'HelveticaNeue Thin.ttf' >> -rw-r--r-- 1 root root 41180 Mar 6 13:04 HelveticaNeue.ttf >> -rw-r--r-- 1 root root 32044 Mar 6 13:56 helvetica-normal-58bdcca3a92e8.ttf >> -rw-r--r-- 1 root root 32097 Mar 6 16:24 Helvetica-Oblique.afm >> -rw-r--r-- 1 root root 75595 Mar 6 16:24 Helvetica-Oblique.pfa >> -rw-r--r-- 1 root root 70952 Mar 6 16:24 Helvetica.pfa >> >> So I don't know what fonts it is looking for. > > You have a bunch of TrueType fonts in that list. Helvetica is not a > TrueType font, but an Adobe Postscript font. The nearest TrueType font > to Helvetica is probably Arial. However, flpsed is definitely looking > for Helvetica, not Arial. > > I would start by deleting the *.ttf files in that directory (or move > them elsewhere) and refreshing the font cache again. I removed them. I have bunch of font helvetica: find /usr/share/fonts/ -iname helv* /usr/share/fonts/75dpi/helvBO12-ISO8859-14.pcf.gz /usr/share/fonts/75dpi/helvB18-ISO8859-9.pcf.gz /usr/share/fonts/75dpi/helvR24-ISO8859-14.pcf.gz /usr/share/fonts/75dpi/helvBO10-ISO8859-4.pcf.gz /usr/share/fonts/75dpi/helvR08-ISO8859-3.pcf.gz /usr/share/fonts/75dpi/helvO14-ISO8859-3.pcf.gz /usr/share/fonts/75dpi/helvB24-ISO8859-4.pcf.gz /usr/share/fonts/75dpi/helvR14-ISO8859-9.pcf.gz /usr/share/fonts/75dpi/helvB12-ISO8859-9.pcf.gz /usr/share/fonts/75dpi/helvBO10-ISO8859-15.pcf.gz /usr/share/fonts/75dpi/helvB18-ISO8859-1.pcf.gz /usr/share/fonts/75dpi/helvR10-ISO8859-14.pcf.gz /usr/share/fonts/75dpi/helvR12-ISO8859-15.pcf.gz ... So which group do they belong to? eselect fontconfig list Available fontconfig .conf files (* is enabled): [1] 10-autohint.conf [2] 10-no-sub-pixel.conf [3] 10-scale-bitmap-fonts.conf * [4] 10-sub-pixel-bgr.conf [5] 10-sub-pixel-rgb.conf [6] 10-sub-pixel-vbgr.conf [7] 10-sub-pixel-vrgb.conf [8] 10-unhinted.conf [9] 11-lcdfilter-default.conf [10] 11-lcdfilter-legacy.conf [11] 11-lcdfilter-light.conf [12] 20-unhint-small-dejavu-sans.conf [13] 20-unhint-small-dejavu-sans-mono.conf [14] 20-unhint-small-dejavu-serif.conf [15] 20-unhint-small-vera.conf * [16] 25-ttf-arphic-ukai-render.conf [17] 25-ttf-arphic-uming-bitmaps.conf [18] 25-ttf-arphic-uming-render.conf [19] 25-unhint-nonlatin.conf [20] 30-metric-aliases.conf * [21] 30-urw-aliases.conf * [22] 35-ttf-arphic-ukai-aliases.conf [23] 35-ttf-arphic-uming-aliases.conf [24] 40-nonlatin.conf * [25] 41-ttf-arphic-ukai.conf [26] 41-ttf-arphic-uming.conf [27] 42-luxi-mono.conf * [28] 45-latin.conf * [29] 49-sansserif.conf * [30] 50-user.conf * [31] 51-local.conf * [32] 57-dejavu-sans.conf [33] 57-dejavu-sans-mono.conf [34] 57-dejavu-serif.conf [35] 60-latin.conf * [36] 60-liberation.conf * [37] 64-ttf-arphic-uming.conf [38] 65-fonts-persian.conf * [39] 65-khmer.conf [40] 65-nonlatin.conf * [41] 69-unifont.conf * [42] 70-no-bitmaps.conf [43] 70-yes-bitmaps.conf [44] 75-ttf-arphic-ukai-select.conf [45] 75-yes-terminus.conf [46] 80-delicious.conf * [47] 90-synthetic.conf * [48] 90-ttf-arphic-ukai-embolden.conf [49] 90-ttf-arphic-uming-embolden.conf [50] 99pdftoopvp.conf I don't see anything starting with "helv" Maybe they are not enabled in my system? -- Thelma
Re: [gentoo-user] Helvetica fonts
On Mon, 6 Mar 2017 16:41:06 -0700, Thelma (the...@sys-concept.com) wrote about "Re: [gentoo-user] Helvetica fonts" (in <860e60f9-c35e-24cb-0de7-0ecc3de8b...@sys-concept.com>): [snip] > I've emerge htmldoc copied their fonts to /usr/share/fonts/Helvetica/ > unmerged htmldoc > run: fc-cache -fv > > But the fonts in "flpsed" are still same looking (not impressive). > > I've the following fonts installed: > ll /usr/share/fonts/Helvetica/ > -rw-r--r-- 1 root root 31741 Mar 6 16:24 Helvetica.afm > -rw-r--r-- 1 root root 31586 Mar 6 16:24 Helvetica-Bold.afm > -rw-r--r-- 1 root root 31896 Mar 6 16:24 Helvetica-BoldOblique.afm > -rw-r--r-- 1 root root 77039 Mar 6 16:24 Helvetica-BoldOblique.pfa > -rw-r--r-- 1 root root 70803 Mar 6 16:24 Helvetica-Bold.pfa > -rw-r--r-- 1 root root 39520 Mar 6 13:04 'Helvetica Neu Bold.ttf' > -rw-r--r-- 1 root root 39520 Mar 6 13:04 HelveticaNeueBd.ttf > -rw-r--r-- 1 root root 38016 Mar 6 13:04 'HelveticaNeue BlackCond.ttf' > -rw-r--r-- 1 root root 39568 Mar 6 13:04 HelveticaNeueHv.ttf > -rw-r--r-- 1 root root 43148 Mar 6 13:04 HelveticaNeueIt.ttf > -rw-r--r-- 1 root root 40104 Mar 6 13:04 'HelveticaNeue Light.ttf' > -rw-r--r-- 1 root root 40104 Mar 6 13:04 HelveticaNeueLt.ttf > -rw-r--r-- 1 root root 39656 Mar 6 13:04 'HelveticaNeue Medium.ttf' > -rw-r--r-- 1 root root 39656 Mar 6 13:04 HelveticaNeueMed.ttf > -rw-r--r-- 1 root root 40144 Mar 6 13:04 'HelveticaNeue Thin.ttf' > -rw-r--r-- 1 root root 41180 Mar 6 13:04 HelveticaNeue.ttf > -rw-r--r-- 1 root root 32044 Mar 6 13:56 helvetica-normal-58bdcca3a92e8.ttf > -rw-r--r-- 1 root root 32097 Mar 6 16:24 Helvetica-Oblique.afm > -rw-r--r-- 1 root root 75595 Mar 6 16:24 Helvetica-Oblique.pfa > -rw-r--r-- 1 root root 70952 Mar 6 16:24 Helvetica.pfa > > So I don't know what fonts it is looking for. You have a bunch of TrueType fonts in that list. Helvetica is not a TrueType font, but an Adobe Postscript font. The nearest TrueType font to Helvetica is probably Arial. However, flpsed is definitely looking for Helvetica, not Arial. I would start by deleting the *.ttf files in that directory (or move them elsewhere) and refreshing the font cache again. -- Regards, Dave [RLU #314465] *-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-* dwn...@ntlworld.com (David W Noon) *-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-* signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature
Re: [gentoo-user] Helvetica fonts
On 03/06/2017 02:42 PM, David W Noon wrote: > On Mon, 6 Mar 2017 13:50:33 -0700, Thelma (the...@sys-concept.com) wrote > about "Re: [gentoo-user] Helvetica fonts" (in > <169d7ee4-a369-de54-3f4c-daafc5474...@sys-concept.com>): > >> On 03/06/2017 01:33 PM, David W Noon wrote: >>> On Mon, 6 Mar 2017 12:27:23 -0700, Thelma (the...@sys-concept.com) wrote >>> about "[gentoo-user] Helvetica fonts" (in >>> <527dc91e-d02e-4dc8-8f22-d24d16018...@sys-concept.com>): >>> >>>> Which package contain "Helvetica" font? >>> >>> app-text/htmldoc >> >> No, "htmldoc" doesn't have any helvetica fonts > > Actually, it does. Here is an extract from the qlist for that package: > > /usr/share/htmldoc/fonts/Helvetica.afm > /usr/share/htmldoc/fonts/Helvetica-Bold.afm > /usr/share/htmldoc/fonts/Helvetica-BoldOblique.afm > /usr/share/htmldoc/fonts/Helvetica-BoldOblique.pfa > /usr/share/htmldoc/fonts/Helvetica-Bold.pfa > /usr/share/htmldoc/fonts/Helvetica-Oblique.afm > /usr/share/htmldoc/fonts/Helvetica-Oblique.pfa > /usr/share/htmldoc/fonts/Helvetica.pfa > >> flpsed - is hard coded use: FL_HELVETICA > > That would seem to be a particular recension of Helvetica. The one > supplied by htmldoc is the Adobe original. Note that Helvetica is also > called Swiss. OK, you proved me wrong :-/ I've emerge htmldoc copied their fonts to /usr/share/fonts/Helvetica/ unmerged htmldoc run: fc-cache -fv But the fonts in "flpsed" are still same looking (not impressive). I've the following fonts installed: ll /usr/share/fonts/Helvetica/ -rw-r--r-- 1 root root 31741 Mar 6 16:24 Helvetica.afm -rw-r--r-- 1 root root 31586 Mar 6 16:24 Helvetica-Bold.afm -rw-r--r-- 1 root root 31896 Mar 6 16:24 Helvetica-BoldOblique.afm -rw-r--r-- 1 root root 77039 Mar 6 16:24 Helvetica-BoldOblique.pfa -rw-r--r-- 1 root root 70803 Mar 6 16:24 Helvetica-Bold.pfa -rw-r--r-- 1 root root 39520 Mar 6 13:04 'Helvetica Neu Bold.ttf' -rw-r--r-- 1 root root 39520 Mar 6 13:04 HelveticaNeueBd.ttf -rw-r--r-- 1 root root 38016 Mar 6 13:04 'HelveticaNeue BlackCond.ttf' -rw-r--r-- 1 root root 39568 Mar 6 13:04 HelveticaNeueHv.ttf -rw-r--r-- 1 root root 43148 Mar 6 13:04 HelveticaNeueIt.ttf -rw-r--r-- 1 root root 40104 Mar 6 13:04 'HelveticaNeue Light.ttf' -rw-r--r-- 1 root root 40104 Mar 6 13:04 HelveticaNeueLt.ttf -rw-r--r-- 1 root root 39656 Mar 6 13:04 'HelveticaNeue Medium.ttf' -rw-r--r-- 1 root root 39656 Mar 6 13:04 HelveticaNeueMed.ttf -rw-r--r-- 1 root root 40144 Mar 6 13:04 'HelveticaNeue Thin.ttf' -rw-r--r-- 1 root root 41180 Mar 6 13:04 HelveticaNeue.ttf -rw-r--r-- 1 root root 32044 Mar 6 13:56 helvetica-normal-58bdcca3a92e8.ttf -rw-r--r-- 1 root root 32097 Mar 6 16:24 Helvetica-Oblique.afm -rw-r--r-- 1 root root 75595 Mar 6 16:24 Helvetica-Oblique.pfa -rw-r--r-- 1 root root 70952 Mar 6 16:24 Helvetica.pfa So I don't know what fonts it is looking for. -- Thelma
Re: [gentoo-user] Helvetica fonts
On Mon, 6 Mar 2017 14:25:49 -0700, Thelma (the...@sys-concept.com) wrote about "Re: [gentoo-user] Helvetica fonts" (in <9e705dc8-2c68-1f9b-d690-3171da36b...@sys-concept.com>): > According to this post: > http://www.flpsed.org/lists/flpsed/0018.html If you read that message you will see that you do *NOT* want a font called "helvetica". Instead, you want a font called "Helvetica". Do you see the difference? Welcome to UNIX. ... :-) > It is hardcoded with "FL_HELVETICA"; what "FL" stands for? That is a mnemonic prefix for a C manifest constant. Unfortunately, it is only mnemonic to the developers of flpsed; it means nothing to the rest of us. -- Regards, Dave [RLU #314465] *-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-* dwn...@ntlworld.com (David W Noon) *-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-* signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature
Re: [gentoo-user] Helvetica fonts
On Mon, 6 Mar 2017 13:50:33 -0700, Thelma (the...@sys-concept.com) wrote about "Re: [gentoo-user] Helvetica fonts" (in <169d7ee4-a369-de54-3f4c-daafc5474...@sys-concept.com>): > On 03/06/2017 01:33 PM, David W Noon wrote: >> On Mon, 6 Mar 2017 12:27:23 -0700, Thelma (the...@sys-concept.com) wrote >> about "[gentoo-user] Helvetica fonts" (in >> <527dc91e-d02e-4dc8-8f22-d24d16018...@sys-concept.com>): >> >>> Which package contain "Helvetica" font? >> >> app-text/htmldoc > > No, "htmldoc" doesn't have any helvetica fonts Actually, it does. Here is an extract from the qlist for that package: /usr/share/htmldoc/fonts/Helvetica.afm /usr/share/htmldoc/fonts/Helvetica-Bold.afm /usr/share/htmldoc/fonts/Helvetica-BoldOblique.afm /usr/share/htmldoc/fonts/Helvetica-BoldOblique.pfa /usr/share/htmldoc/fonts/Helvetica-Bold.pfa /usr/share/htmldoc/fonts/Helvetica-Oblique.afm /usr/share/htmldoc/fonts/Helvetica-Oblique.pfa /usr/share/htmldoc/fonts/Helvetica.pfa > flpsed - is hard coded use: FL_HELVETICA That would seem to be a particular recension of Helvetica. The one supplied by htmldoc is the Adobe original. Note that Helvetica is also called Swiss. -- Regards, Dave [RLU #314465] *-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-* dwn...@ntlworld.com (David W Noon) *-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-* signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature
Re: [gentoo-user] Helvetica fonts
On 03/06/2017 02:10 PM, Mick wrote: > On Monday 06 Mar 2017 13:50:33 the...@sys-concept.com wrote: >> On 03/06/2017 01:33 PM, David W Noon wrote: >>> On Mon, 6 Mar 2017 12:27:23 -0700, Thelma (the...@sys-concept.com) wrote >>> about "[gentoo-user] Helvetica fonts" (in >>> >>> <527dc91e-d02e-4dc8-8f22-d24d16018...@sys-concept.com>): Which package contain "Helvetica" font? >>> >>> app-text/htmldoc >> >> No, "htmldoc" doesn't have any helvetica fonts >> flpsed - is hard coded use: FL_HELVETICA >> >> -- >> Thelma > > According to: > > find /usr/share/fonts/ -iname helv* > > /usr/share/fonts/100dpi/ and /usr/share/fonts/75dpi seem to contain hevetica. Yes, I have them installed, so I don't know why "flpsed" is showing such an ugly fonts. According to this post: http://www.flpsed.org/lists/flpsed/0018.html It is hardcoded with "FL_HELVETICA"; what "FL" stands for? In the past installing "media-fonts/liberation-fonts" which I have solved the problem, but it is not working now. -- Thelma
Re: [gentoo-user] Helvetica fonts
On Monday 06 Mar 2017 13:50:33 the...@sys-concept.com wrote: > On 03/06/2017 01:33 PM, David W Noon wrote: > > On Mon, 6 Mar 2017 12:27:23 -0700, Thelma (the...@sys-concept.com) wrote > > about "[gentoo-user] Helvetica fonts" (in > > > > <527dc91e-d02e-4dc8-8f22-d24d16018...@sys-concept.com>): > >> Which package contain "Helvetica" font? > > > > app-text/htmldoc > > No, "htmldoc" doesn't have any helvetica fonts > flpsed - is hard coded use: FL_HELVETICA > > -- > Thelma According to: find /usr/share/fonts/ -iname helv* /usr/share/fonts/100dpi/ and /usr/share/fonts/75dpi seem to contain hevetica. -- Regards, Mick signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part.
Re: [gentoo-user] Helvetica fonts
On 03/06/2017 01:27 PM, the...@sys-concept.com wrote: > Which package contain "Helvetica" font? > > I'm using "flpsed" and apparently it is using Helvetica font, which > "eselect fontconfig list" is not showing anything that resemble "helvet" > "eix helvet" is not showing anything either. > > The fonts in "flpsed" display are very rugged/pixelated, it is hard to > look at them. > This font package works for Helvetica deps in Mozilla / Firefox && CUPS. "media-fonts/liberation-fonts" Reference Link : https://packages.gentoo.org/packages/media-fonts/liberation-fonts Corbin
Re: [gentoo-user] Helvetica fonts
On 03/06/2017 01:33 PM, David W Noon wrote: > On Mon, 6 Mar 2017 12:27:23 -0700, Thelma (the...@sys-concept.com) wrote > about "[gentoo-user] Helvetica fonts" (in > <527dc91e-d02e-4dc8-8f22-d24d16018...@sys-concept.com>): > >> Which package contain "Helvetica" font? > > app-text/htmldoc No, "htmldoc" doesn't have any helvetica fonts flpsed - is hard coded use: FL_HELVETICA -- Thelma
Re: [gentoo-user] Helvetica fonts
On Mon, 6 Mar 2017 12:27:23 -0700, Thelma (the...@sys-concept.com) wrote about "[gentoo-user] Helvetica fonts" (in <527dc91e-d02e-4dc8-8f22-d24d16018...@sys-concept.com>): > Which package contain "Helvetica" font? app-text/htmldoc -- Regards, Dave [RLU #314465] *-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-* dwn...@ntlworld.com (David W Noon) *-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-* signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature