Re: [Goanet] Goanet Reader: How foreign is foreign... the truth about English in India (and Goa) :: FN

[Adolfo Mascarenhas]

Fred:
Thank you for your comprehensive coverage.
There are a few other aspects that I would like to bring out:
1) Most of the great Indian leaders, Gandhi, Nehru, etc spoke, wrote and 
perhaps even thought in English   ..
2) All the great scientist and writers once again were educated and used 
English and as you quite rightly point out the Language of Instruction 
in most well known Universities is in English.
3) The advantage of knowing English are REAL not imaginary. Indeed so 
real that even the Chinese, Swiss, French Germans have taken up to 
English.  I have been to Japan and to the Scandinavian countries many 
times over the years . I am impressed by the shift to English.
4) We also have the debate about English or Kiswahili  .. it is 
really narrow minded. My Tanzanian Sociologist friend observed that 
those who were so vociferous against English were the first to send 
their children to be educated in England, South Africa or Kenya. It was 
a desperate effort at domination! President Julius Nyerere himself 
stated that English is the Kiswahili of the world and if we wanted to be 
part of the world we simply cannot afford to do otherwise.
5)  Jinnah did not speak Urdu but correct me he even took his oath 
of office in English. Nationalism does not depend on the language but on 
the affiliations that one has got. My Kiswahili and Konkani is nowhere 
near my English . I think in that Language, used English whenever I 
spoke to President Nyerere.
6) India has used English at the United Nations  why if it is 
unpatriotic?
7) There are more scholars from India who are experts on Shakespeare, 
Jane Austen, and English Poets than the stock in England!


Do Indians speak INGLISH   ... 25 Years ago I would say yes. In fact 
in East Africa I could tell Goans apart from other Asians by the way 
they speak English .I sensed this for a long time then one fine day 
in a UNESCO meeting I realized that this was not true .. my friend 
Khosla thought differently and spoke differently he was proud to be 
Indian ... subsequently I realized why.


Those who oppose Goans using English have another agenda.

Adolfo

PS You will have gathered by now that I am no good in Languages starting 
with the letter K it is something to do with the genes! Could be that 
my prime ancestors came from the island of Mascaren .. it was part 
of that supercontinent INDIA/AFRICA/SOUTH AMERICA




-Original Message-
From: Goanet Reader
HOW FOREIGN IS 'FOREIGN'?

Or, why politicians shy away from the truth over English in India (and Goa)

By Frederick Noronha


SOME TIME in 2003, the then Goa chief minister Manohar
Parrikar followed the footsteps of politicians like
Shashikala Kakodkar (during the short-lived PDF regime of
1990) in his stand against English-language education. He
said at a Marathi meet that English cannot be the
mother-tongue of Goans. Since the early 1990s, politicians
of different hues have been blocking primary education in
English largely on the grounds that it is a foreign language.






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Re: [Goanet] Goanet Digest, Vol 6, Issue 558 L

[Adolfo Mascarenhas]

-Original Message-

From Adolfo Mascarenhas
Responding to Message 11 
Message-ID: BANLkTi=ZFJkO1zuX7WC0n==2gifcovq...@mail.gmail.com

Let me make a few observations about Antonio's perceptions. First, he
states:  
 For persons of Goan origin residing in countries like the UK, Canada, the
US, Australia, etc, the question of who or what is a Goan  would appear to
have become an obsessive intellectual pursuit. 

That is your opinion. How many intellectuals and there and in UK, Canada,
etc and how many actually write. You cannot judge the silent majority from
the few who write!! Just like the majority of migrants they have tended to
mingle or be cliques indeed not even Goan cliques etc.  There are
exceptions, for instance, when we were in Los Angeles I was struck by the
fact that the Jews tended to congregate but there were huge differences
between those who came from Poland or Iran or Egypt. For some strange
reasons we made quite a few friends. Yet, I think there is considerable
difference in outlook between Goans who migrated from India or East Africa
or Kuwait but even among them there is a difference whether they are
professionals etc. 

Secondly, Goans have an identity and this identity is not because they love
the colonizers but because we have culturally adapted/adapted traits
belonging to East West and North. Culturally we are as cosmopolitan as the
Lebanese. Our genes are fairly mixed and we are versatile  .. I am not
talking about being pure or impure in a racial sense I do not believe in
that .. (There are more genes in common between a Kikuyu and  a European
than between a French and a Turk ) 

It is the long exposure to different cultures and religions that make us
adaptable and to fit in. Is this a sign of greatness . hardly. But a
very valuable trait 

Thirdly, you go on  to state  . is most probably a result of an
identity crisis. No matter, what one's perception is about the greatness of
Goa and its overseas people, the white people Goans for them are a
coloured people So is that a problem of the Goans or the whites Each of
us know what we are really worth and so do other people who are thinking
straight.  In California I was once talking to a farmer from Norway  he
put two and two and realized I was not a Mexican, suddenly strolls Gary
(southern white, newly rich, unpleasant) and tried to but in but gave up. My
Californian farmer turns to me and says where does that Guy come from? There
are many Goans, Indians, Africans who have self esteem and confidence and
that is very good.It is not because they are colonized great or have
an ego but have confidence, dignity etc.  Of course there will be
discrimination but we must not fall in the same trap of being discriminatory
in turn. 

My own feeling are that the majority of Goans are normal human beings 
some feel great, others feel Portuguese still others feel persecuted.
Goans having an identity crisis ? . the majority HARDLY! 

If you do not have an enlarged ego, that is great it is the first step of
being a normal Goan, normal human being.  If we shared a history of 450
years with the Portuguese then we would be strange to deny this .. the
Germans fought the British in two big wars ... they obviously share a bit
history  so do the Goans,  we share our history with billions. And a few
million Portuguese.  

Adolfo  
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Re: [Goanet] Goanet Digest, Vol 6, Issue 571 Armand Desouza

[Adolfo Mascarenhas]

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   1. Re: DIASPORA: An early Goan editor... in Ceylon (joe...@gmail.com)
   2. Aussie links
  (Frederick FN Noronha *   *??? ???)
   3.  There cannot be another Goan Revolution (SOTER)
   4. Advertisement By Dubai Goans (Freddy Agnelo Fernandes)
   5. Que Sera Sera (Freddy Agnelo Fernandes)
   6. Re: Indian English (Dr. Ferdinando dos Reis Falc?o)
   7. [Photo Blog by Rajan Parrikar] Heroic Rescue (Rajan P. Parrikar)
   8. Goa news for June 19, 2011 (Goanet News Service)
   9. Aitaracheo Katkutleo: New MoI Anthem: JAI HO KONKNNI   (lino
dourado)
  10. Re: DIASPORA: An early Goan editor... in Ceylon
  (Frederick FN Noronha   *??? ???)
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Responding to Message: 1
Date: Sat, 18 Jun 2011 23:09:15 +0530

Fred,
I too would like to add to Joel's appreciation of your information about the
De Souzas .. the radical as well as the not so radical . Nice to be
linked to other fellow Goans irrespective of whether they migrated or not.
Ceylon owes Goan a lot . apart from Armand I am also thinking of Blessed
John Vaz. 

The De Souzas are a good example of that intangible factor called Goan
Heritage With their background they could blend into Ceylon or Paris and be
part of trendy world movements socialists, Marxist 

Were there other Goan Editors outside India?

Adolfo Mascarenhas
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Re: [Goanet] [Goanet-News] Notes from the field... Victor Hugo Gomes on agriculture in the Goa of the yesteryears

[Adolfo Mascarenhas]

CONGRATLUATIONS VICTOR HUGO GOMES. What perseverance and dedications .
it is hard in our day and scientific digital age to appreciate what we owe
to our ancestors. .. 2000 kms of bund .. put a value to it if this
was done by a contracting firm. The difficulty of accepting to build on what
is local is rampant among the bureaucrats of present day Tanzania . It
will take time to change this  I have now minimized the use of the term
ITK or Indigenous Technological Knowledge, I just use the term functional
knowledge.
And this applies across cultures and places: an igloo in an environment
where the temperature is down to minus 15 C, or the Sans people who chew a
plant that enables them to endure hunger for several days or communities
around Aldona who have managed to dig wells in basaltic hillside and
preserve the mangroves for centuries.

I now know yet another place to visit when I next come to Goa.

Adolfo  
-Original Message-
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[mailto:goanet-news-boun...@lists.goanet.org] On Behalf Of Frederick FN
Noronha *   *??? ??? 
Sent: Thursday, September 22, 2011 3:01 PM
To: Goa's premiere mailing list, estb. 1994!
Subject: [Goanet-News] Notes from the field... Victor Hugo Gomes on
agriculture in the Goa of the yesteryears

http://soundcloud.com/fredericknoronha/vhg-on-tradl-agri

Victor Hugo-Gomes is the guy behind the Goa Chitra, an amazing museum
set up by an individual in Goa or elsewhere, for that matter. Goa
Chitra documents the local age-old wisdom passed down through
generations. It is an unique collection and display of traditional
farming implements and other ancient tools of trade set up against the
backdrop of a traditional organic farm. It collections have now grown
to more than 4000 objects on display.

In this audio recording, he talks about agriculture in Goa over the
yesteryears.  Speaking at the Xavier Centre of Historical Research, he
began by lamenting the loss of Goa's implements (and technology) of
the past. He said even words used to describe these were no longer in
use. At the starting of this recording, he asks the audience if
they're aware how many kilometres of 'bunds' (riverine protective
walls, used to reclaim low-lying land from the high tides) Goa had
built over past centuries. Yes, the answer is an astounding 2,000
kms...

http://soundcloud.com/fredericknoronha/vhg-on-tradl-agri

Also includes excerpts from a discussion (Miguel Braganza, in the
chair, and others)
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Re: [Goanet] Notes from the field... Victor Hugo Gomes on agriculture in the Goa of the yesteryears

[Adolfo Mascarenhas]

CONGRATLUATIONS VICTOR HUGO GOMES. What perseverance and dedications .
it is hard in our day and scientific digital age to appreciate what we 
owe to our ancestors. .. 2000 kms of bund .. put a value to it 
if this was done by a contracting firm. The difficulty of accepting to 
build on what is local is rampant among the bureaucrats of present day 
Tanzania . It will take time to change this  I have now 
minimized the use of the term ITK or Indigenous Technological Knowledge, 
I just use the term functional knowledge.


And this applies across cultures and places: an igloo in an environment
where the temperature is down to minus 15 C, or the Sans people who 
chew a plant that enables them to endure hunger for several days or 
communities around Aldona who have managed to dig wells in basaltic 
hillside and preserve the mangroves for centuries.


I now know yet another place to visit when I next come to Goa.

Adolfo


-Original Message-
From: Frederick FN Noronha *   *??? ???

http://soundcloud.com/fredericknoronha/vhg-on-tradl-agri

Victor Hugo-Gomes is the guy behind the Goa Chitra, an amazing museum
set up by an individual in Goa or elsewhere, for that matter. Goa
Chitra documents the local age-old wisdom passed down through
generations. It is an unique collection and display of traditional
farming implements and other ancient tools of trade set up against the
backdrop of a traditional organic farm. It collections have now grown
to more than 4000 objects on display.

[Goanet] The 1988 Goan Convention & Peace

[Adolfo Mascarenhas]

Dear Mervyn

I only saw today,(a week later)  the flattering comments you made in the
Goan Digest Issue 508 November 9, Message 2  about my contribution  about
the Goan Convention of 1988  In many ways, when an individual is being
downright rude to my childhood friend in Kirk Street, Vivian D’Souza, I
became upset. Vivian is very modest about his role in curbing violence
during a very difficult   period in Tanzania,  I hope that one day Vivian
will write his biography ….and get me a chapter in my book entitled Goan
FootPrints In Tanganyika from the earliest Period To the Present



 In Message-ID:liest<
cal65l0vmgcqdh3ooyctfcwrhsc51cyj_kdy4+spyt2ttepz...@mail.gmail.com> you
state:

Quote “ In ending his excellent piece, Adolfo Mascarenhas had this to say:

*"Peace to People of Good Will "*

*AMEN  to that, I say.*End Quote



Yes Dear Friends, Christmas is round the corner …Peace to People of Good
Will is still valid during and after the season



Adolfo Mascarenhas

Dar es Salaam

Re: [Goanet] GOANS From Tanzania and CANADA & Revisiting the Golden Age of Jazz .....Back to

[Adolfo Mascarenhas]

*https://awaazmagazine.com/volume-14-issue-3/book-reviews
<https://awaazmagazine.com/volume-14-issue-3/book-reviews>*



*Mervyn *


*Thank you for your account about your close call in Zanzibar *


I think you will get the full text of my letter to Goan Digest


I end the note by stating  *;; that we can reproduce the review provided
due acknowledgement is made to AWAAZ.  It would be good to have your
reaction not ly about Goans .but the other Communities (My list has about
157 Communities )


Kind Regards


Grandolfo


s



On Fri, Nov 16, 2018 at 4:59 PM Adolfo Mascarenhas 
wrote:

>
>
>
>
>  Even in East Africa, wherever three or four Goans came together the
> chances were good that they would start a band.  Some did not have
> instruments so a wooden case with a stick and some string made a good
> double base.  In the big towns of Nairobi and Dar were s Salaam, there
> were Goans who formed what was known as Goan Music and Dramatic Society
> they played Western Classical and Chamber Music.  GADS performed in
> Empire Cinema but more than that they were hired to play at St Georges Day,
> in Hotels, in the Italian Clubs. Without exception apart from playing
> musical instrumentsto the Scene  and practicing for hours, they all had
> job in the Government, the Private Sector, they were bankers and clerks.
>
>
>
> When the Jazz Swinger broke into the scene with Jerry Luis and a host of
> his Goan friends, within a radius of  in the What made them tick? The
> social message that I was getting were powerfulMusic to bring people
> together and fight racism.
>
>
>
> Then towards the end of World War  youths in their early teen started
> Jazz.  Dar es Salaam became the epicenter of the :”Jazz Age” Within a
> radius of 500 metres of Kirk St/Lane the were two bands with the Fernandes
> Brothers (Tony/Neri & Hilary)  within a few years they would be nearly a
> dozen.
>
>
>
> The Jazz Swingers were an intrepid lot, travelling in their own small car
> VW   the Morises all the way Jinja, Kampala,  Mombasa and Nairobd ot to
> mention Iringa, Tanga and Mwani nand and other walwagen  o
>
> In audacity , In Dar es Salaam even intrepid za in Tanganyika They were
> intrepid lot,
>
>
>
> I  wrote at least two drafts of a review of the the book when the days
> were dark for me,  Professor Ophelia Mascarenhas was called from her
> transition a  year ago.   As the family and the +290 professionals and
> activist “Friends of Ophelia “ are in the process of Celebrating her life ,
> I have had an opportunity in July o talk to Jerry Luis, his daughter
> various people some who have passed away in Canada  I feel compelled to
> revisit “Waiting For The Sunrise”
>
>
>
> Zahid from AWAAZ  has kindly agreed that we can reproduce the review
> provided due acknowledgement is made to AWAAZ.  It would be good to have
> your reaction not ly about Goans .but the other Communities (My list has
> about 157 Communities )
>
> The AWAAZ site is
>
>
> *https://awaazmagazine.com/volume-14-issue-3/book-reviews
> <https://awaazmagazine.com/volume-14-issue-3/book-reviews>*
>

[Goanet] GOANS From Tanzania and CANADA & Revisiting the Golden Age of Jazz .....Back to

[Adolfo Mascarenhas]

 Even in East Africa, wherever three or four Goans came together the
chances were good that they would start a band.  Some did not have
instruments so a wooden case with a stick and some string made a good
double base.  In the big towns of Nairobi and Dar were s Salaam, there were
Goans who formed what was known as Goan Music and Dramatic Society they
played Western Classical and Chamber Music.  GADS performed in Empire
Cinema but more than that they were hired to play at St Georges Day, in
Hotels, in the Italian Clubs. Without exception apart from playing musical
instrumentsto the Scene  and practicing for hours, they all had job in the
Government, the Private Sector, they were bankers and clerks.



When the Jazz Swinger broke into the scene with Jerry Luis and a host of
his Goan friends, within a radius of  in the What made them tick? The
social message that I was getting were powerfulMusic to bring people
together and fight racism.



Then towards the end of World War  youths in their early teen started Jazz.
Dar es Salaam became the epicenter of the :”Jazz Age” Within a radius of
500 metres of Kirk St/Lane the were two bands with the Fernandes Brothers
(Tony/Neri & Hilary)  within a few years they would be nearly a dozen.



The Jazz Swingers were an intrepid lot, travelling in their own small car
VW   the Morises all the way Jinja, Kampala,  Mombasa and Nairobd ot to
mention Iringa, Tanga and Mwani nand and other walwagen  o

In audacity , In Dar es Salaam even intrepid za in Tanganyika They were
intrepid lot,



I  wrote at least two drafts of a review of the the book when the days were
dark for me,  Professor Ophelia Mascarenhas was called from her transition a
year ago.   As the family and the +290 professionals and activist “Friends
of Ophelia “ are in the process of Celebrating her life , I have had an
opportunity in July o talk to Jerry Luis, his daughter various people some
who have passed away in Canada  I feel compelled to revisit “Waiting For
The Sunrise”



Zahid from AWAAZ  has kindly agreed that we can reproduce the review
provided due acknowledgement is made to AWAAZ.  It would be good to have
your reaction not ly about Goans .but the other Communities (My list has
about 157 Communities )

The AWAAZ site is


*https://awaazmagazine.com/volume-14-issue-3/book-reviews
*

[Goanet] REFLECTIONS ON THE GOAN CONVENTION OF 1988

[Adolfo Mascarenhas]

Subject: [Goanet] Reflections on Goan Convention



*PART One*

Living in Dar es Salaam which means Haven of Peace, I am sickened by the
messages coming from one individual,  concerning the first International
Goan Convention which took place in Toronto  in 1088. I feel that we should
not allow this forum to be used for insulting countless individuals who in
one way or another helped by giving Goans an identity and it has prevailed
. In 1988 I was serving as a diplomat on Environmental and NR Issues in
Southern Africa. Therefore while not in Canada I am happy and proud that
Goans did something about their identity and culture.  My old friend Vivian
Desouze summed it well in two pieces he wrote …this was endorsed by
gipsport &  FN  has patiently tried hard to calm the ir, sate  individual.



*PART TWO….*

* In some  related research currently being done on Islam and the Crusades
and Climate Change (I C & CC) I was struck by what * Pope  Eugene (born ,
654) accomplished by his gentleness, sancitity
<http://www.newadvent.org/cathen/07386a.htm>and generosity and above all
the fact that he listened to the laity rather than the few  scoundrels.  .Pope
Eugene was reckoned and declared a saint. Fast reel forward to the 18 C and
you get Eugene the Terrible in Budapest\ Ottaman …Fast track to
contemporary times with a new cast in  Turkey/Saudi Arabia and USA brought
the Khashoggi scandal)



The link between my research and the Goan Convention   is a realization
that we simply have to face the fact that there is a serious problem of an
enlarged and very sick  EGO. Please see a piece written on Nov 4, 2018, at
2:29 PM,….. The message of 24 lines or so,  has the *I* ( 9th letter of the
English alphabet was used 27 times !) It does not take much to provoke
this individual and he breaks into gutter speak !



:* PART THREE….What To Do *

1)   Declare a MOROTARIUM on the  topic

2)   The egoist needs to go to an ICU for reducing brain damage

3)   Perhaps awarding the patient with a decoration the  MBG migtt be
an antidote



Peace to People of Good Will


Adolfo Mascarenhas


PS There was a snide remark on at least one  family who did a great deal in
Tanzania to be model citizens on matters of racial equality, music caring
for otherswho migrated to Canada.

[Goanet] St. Francis Xavier and St, Jose Vaz

[Adolfo Mascarenhas]

Message: 10
George Pinto thank you so much  for your alert of Message 10 of Thu, 6 Dec
2018 18:04:39 + (UTC) You rightly state that  : I would like to clarify
to readers that the OFFICIAL Patron Saint of Goa today is Saint Joseph Vaz
per the Archdiocese of Goa/
did
Least you get attacked by xenophobic individuals we have to face three
realities   follows
1) First Saint Francis brought Christianity to Asia with as Goa as his hub
.(he even stopped in Mombasa)
2) But Christianity was brought to Asia even before Europe by no than 2
Apostles St Thomas and Bartholomew ...indeed the former was martyred i o
West India .
3) St Jose Vaz is my real hero ...but he is the FIRST GOAN to be proclaimed
a saint by the previous Pope. HE IS THE SAINT FOR CEYLON.

So basically we are not talking about demotion, promotion or such like
competition.   doctors had given up hope ,,,Jose father gave a relic of St
Vaz ...she delivered the boy ...He is a scholar now in Pilar. When I read
the book... he became my hero he advised the Buddhist King about the
famine ..the King kept mum rather than tell the aggressive Dutch
Protestants

Adolfo
Still in Dar es Salaam

HE was declared a Saint because of Fr, Cosmos survival ,,,g]his mother was
hemorrhaging and the


Message-ID: <694177291.3038116.1544119479...@mail.yahoo.com>
Content

[Goanet] We Prayed to SFX to Spare Us From Political Mafia Why not Invoke the help SJV ?

[Adolfo Mascarenhas]

According to the Culavamsa’the chronthe of the Buddhist which is a record
of the most notable events from about the 4th century to 1815 …drought,
floods , pestilence, demographically catastrophic disease like small pox
devastated  significant gag and SJV ins.



 The culavanusa records  several of the miracles  performe d by St Jose  Vaz
(SJV)



*Miracle 1 Contest With The Magicians *

 In the Kandyan Kingdom, devil worshipping  magicians were invited by the
king to make it rain -  SJV was also invited ..he requested that he and his
followers be allowed to pray. The Magicians prayed first but nothing
happened …SJV and his followers  prayed  and there was deluge. Needless to
say King Vimaladharmasuriya  and his entourage, respected SJV but the King
remained  a Buddhist  but one of his nephews converted, travelled to
Portugal, and became a Catholic Priest.



*Miracle 2:* He once came to a bank of a river where there was a
raging  monsoon
flood. He raised a cross and called his followers to join him…..told them
to cross the tamed river while he stood behind and then crossed himself…



*Miracle 3 Calming Elephants on Stampede *

Like the gnu of Tanzania,  when hundreds hurtle themselves to be drowned or
 eaten by crocodile so  too do elephants go on a frenzy  (also used as a
hunting technique ) ….SJV calmed these behemoths,



The greatness of SJV was that he started the Goan Oratory consisting
entirely of indigenous Goan priests who were of the low cast. Several of
the priests were his relatives including   his nephew and biographer Father
Sebastian do Rego,  SJV was appointed the Vicar Apostolic of Ceylon..To put
it mildly there were problems.



In 2016 Pope Franciscis , Yes Pope Francis declared him a a Saint in a huge
gathering in Colombo



*Can somebody FN, tell me what do the **following mean:*

Tamil : புனித யோசப் வாஸ்

Sinhalese : ශාන්ත ජුසේ
වාස් මුනිතුමා,

??ලංකා අපොස්තුළුවරයා



2)  The place where SJV was baptized, went to school, the houses of his
relatives are all known in Goa …something can be done



3)  SJV died on the 16 of January 1710  we do not enen know where he was
buried …..GET TO WORK DNA archaeologist. historians


Here are some useful sites

*https://gloria.tv/article/ot1sBshjc7Eq4FW3bzuMXXQaK
*

*https://wiki2.org/en/Joseph_Vaz *




*LETS CELEBRATE THE FEAST OF SJV on 16 Jan 2019 in Style*

[Goanet] Yes We have no Potatoes

[Adolfo Mascarenhas]

Vivian you claim that you get good batata and they are cheap Who brought
the potato to India. Africa Europe

The Irish call the Potato *An Spáinneach Geal*


*My connection with Potatoes *

Way back in 1966 when I gave my first lecture  in Human Geography at the
University College Dar es Salaam,  to Arts and Science students there was
an expression of disbelief because I was talking about the composition of
the human body  ….The content of my fifth or sixth lecture was about
pototoes, bananas. I told them that Potatoes were native to the Andes in
Peru…and there  were aover 200 varieties of the potatoes.  Most were only
marble sized and hard as stone …they were in different shades from black,
blue, red yellow, brown white .I had no idea whether they knew what how big
was a marble (In Geology they come in slabs or blocks  so  I said them that
they were  the size of a *mfenesi* pip (Jack fruit nuts)



OK Vivian so where the Indians and Goans  get  the potato  which you say
are plentiful  ….We have to thank Christopher  Columbus , Albuquerque,
Vasco de Gama  and   a host of other Spanish, French,  Portuguese botanist
sailors and farmers ….the Irish call the *Potato  Spáinneach Geal [*the
white, or kind hearted Spaniard …So apart from looting silver from Peru
they brought the white gold potatoes …



Personally I like potatoes with Goa Sausages ……but the real thing from a
nutritional point is YFSP ….(*which you  all knowis Yellow fleshed  sweet
potatoes) * …..the Japanese know about this and import it from  Mwanza
….ask GERBER


*Having helped you Vivian and other  deep down in me I feel that there
was an e Irish Potato not like cassava, nor smooth silled like the
pototo they are somewhat hairy*


Adolfo

In DSM

[Goanet] We Prayed to SFX........Why Not SJV

[Adolfo Mascarenhas]

 Its Only when some humans Pretend that that they will not die that the
problems arise .but FN I  don't give up so easilyI have a solution
I am going to find a doctor .Which Doctor You ask me ?
 WITCH DOCTOR  Ofcourse !
Both Ophelia and myself worked in Rukwa Region .it is famous for its
WITCH DOCTOR ..
Its a long story so some other time

Adolfo
Still In DSM

[Goanet] YES WE HAVE NO POTATOES

[Adolfo Mascarenhas]

Dear Roland & John
I think the message which you sent and now appears as message one was
predictable .there are at least four reasons:
a) You neighbours in the south nearly wiped out the resident Indians...but
I gather  the Canadians were more subtle but no better

b) Therefore the Gods periodically bring down the curse consult a
Canadian called Larson   who for the last 45 or more years has been writing
on Canada and Ulanga (where I was born) and on Tanzania in general who
c) Consult the Calender of Serious shortages  and gluts. But avoid what
your neighbours did in the south  . they migrated like crazy people and
extended the dust bowl

 *2) At LEAST THREE SOLUTION*
i) In NJOMBE a Region in south central Tanzania there are Irish Potatoes
aplenty. They are organically grown absolutely sumptuouscurrently
sold in sacks of 90-120 kgs .(Govt has made the 120 kgs illegal)

ii) To buy NOP (Njombe Organic Potatoes) you have to walk round the cluster
of the  huge Makumbaku  tree four gtimes and swear that you are not related
to MAC the Trump

iii) NJUMBE REGION also produces the finest IVORY (Brand Name ) Oranic
Chocolate;;(NIOC) ;most of the cocoa  produced was exported to USA via a
Germany ...My research led me to discover that there was something
fishy...NOIC is really good when you are stressed and really relax you.

\KARIBU or should I say CARIBOU

Adolfo Mascarenhas
In Dar es Salaam
a friend of Jombe

[Goanet] LETS TALK ABOUT FAMILY PEACE AND WHAT POPE FRANCIS SAID Not "SLUSHY RED HERRINGS"

[Adolfo Mascarenhas]

*

*Let us have some perspectives.  World wide  there are nearly 400,000
priests.  A couple of years ago something like 3,600 priests were accused
…..In several countries there are criminal procedures to follow….some have
been tried and convicted …..This is fair and just. *



* However   w*
*e are now being led to make the assumption that all Popes were evil. Guilt
by association Is this logical ? *


*On the feast of St Francis (The Jesuit) HAPPY FEAST. In Dar es Salaam We
Celebrated it on Saturday It was noted for PEACE , Understanding abong
people of different faiths and bringing out talents./*


Adolfo Mascarenhas
 Dar es Salaam or (Haven of Peace,
* )*

[Goanet] The Late John D'Souza RIP

[Adolfo Mascarenhas]

Message: 4
Date: Tue, 26 Mar 2019 08:28:23 +
From: Mervyn Maciel 
To: "Estb. 1994! Goa's Premiere Mailing List"
 Subject: [Goanet] The late John D'Souza
Message-ID: 

I did not know John   but all my friends including those that I grew up
with in Dar and who over the years have migrated elsewhere speak highly of
this wonderful person.  John is dead a gone. He is now everlasting.

There is something sickening envy that out of the blues we are judgmentally
being told told that John had flaws ...please even Saints had
flaws..

Marvyn,  you described a certain individuals response as being  "RATHER
UNSAVORY" perhaps a better word is UNCOUTH.
Let us not judge the dead.we might be exposing yourself !!!

Adolfo Mascarenhas
Dar es Salaam

*This is not a time for nit-picking.*
*I think we are all agreed that John D'Souza*
*was indeed an icon - a rare Goan who worked*
*tirelessly and selflessly - perhaps behind the scenes - for*
*the benefit of our community.*
*   Those who knew him personally have sung his*
*praises in no uncertain terms. *
*   Unfortunately, I never had the pleasure of meeting John -*
*but from our interaction for well over a decade, I was convinced*
*that here was a man who had our community's interests at heart*
*and did much to further their cause .*
*Now that he is no more, let us honour his memory.*

*Mervyn Maciel"*

[Goanet] BOMBAY DUCK

[Adolfo Mascarenhas]

UGGHH
 Neither a snake nor a fish...You should know with your experience in N.
Kenya..Thd Maasai will not eat fish...reminds them of snakes. Fish do not
walk they use their tails to propel themselves  ! !
These BĎ are  not now called  MUMBAI DUKES

Adolfo Mascarenhas
Dar es Salaam

Re: [Goanet] Goan Pope & Bombay Duck(BD)

[Adolfo Mascarenhas]

Do they call BD MUMBAI DUCK... My impression is that they are not fish or
snake...Thisis why Maasai are horrified to even think about eating fish,

TONY ALMEIDA ...we professionals & lay people, whites, brown, blacks & in
between...hindus, muslims & christians all celebrated his life &
contribution. We thanked God for leading us his servant Tony.

Grandolfo


On Mon, 18 Mar 2019, 20:36 Adolfo Mascarenhas  Uggh Really.
> I saw my first creatures that you call   Bombay Duck...in Bombay  We spent
> a couple of nights in a KUDD. Horrible place, smell too many guys using the
> same toilet.
> We have loaded all the luggage...jars of feni, Port Wine bottles cushioned
> by wickerwork, dried prawns, etc.
> I dont know why we were waiting but the cranes were busy... i am staring
> aim lessly when on the lower deck the cooks help throws liquid & solid
> thresh into the harbour. Suddenly, from no where these creatures neither
> fish nor snake are in a frenzy, gobbling up muck.
> An excited voice tells a smaller boy
> ' Come !Come see BOMY DUCK'
>  Neither a snake nor a fish and here an offspring is told they are DUCKS
> !  ! I rather go below and stare into the cavern of the engine room.
> Decades later will a Goencar tell me:
> 1) are these   creatures   only found in  Bombay.
> 2) are they endangered
> 3) are they found in Goa
> 4) Do you Fish them or scoop them.
> BWANA SHAMBA Do you know a good Maasai will not eat fish, they regard fish
> like snake ..no legs use their tails to get around.
>
> Adolfo Mascarenhas
> In Dar es Salaam
>
> PS Unknown to me our lagguage had dried & pickled BD.
>
> z
>

[Goanet] Goan POPE

[Adolfo Mascarenhas]

cis and Post \Francis Christians.  I think Goans are remarkable,
basically Indians. But Hindus, Muslims, Pre St Francis and Post \Francis
Christians.  On my father side, my great Grandfather was a Catholics
…..where did he come from, was his father a Chr.   … istian or a Hindu… Did
he come fro Margaothe Church was build on a sit of a huge Hindu Temple…



On my Maternal Grandmothers side …C Vaz he ran to Karwar even before he was
a teen, worked as a bakers assistant and soon owned it but his own
occupation was a traditional healer.  Before he got married, he got 5 hindu
Masons to come and build their own shelter and his four  roomed house
 bedrooms / I did not see my Maternal Grandfather CAJATAN Vas ….no
Photagraphs but both my grand mothet, my mother, and her her brother had
brownish eyes, were fair.but hes remarkable and so was mGM Anna Victoria
Vaz….kind, generous, hard working



So Christianity and religion is about ONE GOD



Adolfo Mascarenhas

Dar es Salaam  Tanzania



*PS  Three Small Notes Observation *

*a)  Did Christ have fun  ? .You know when he spied that short fellow who
had climbed  the tree because he cold not see Jesus  CHRIST tells him to
come down because he was cured  He was the only one who thanked the Lord



b)  He must have had a smile on his face when he went to Peter, an
experienced fisherman, and tells him put your net down.   An uneducated
person, not pretencious…..Head of the Church….no material wealth or
luxuries crowns and jewels.



c)  I read Lynn Baretto  Miranda account of the setting sun last Sunday
That is creativity on her part …..I have purchased a book on the Church in
Margao in January 2019 so …..When I soon get to Goa early next month .I
will make it a point to go inside the church ….I hope that Lynn has a clip
to share

[Goanet] GOD. The Pope, Bill Cardoso and Henry The Eight

[Adolfo Mascarenhas]

Message: 1 Date: Tue, 26 Mar 2019 16:01:51 +0530
From: Frederick Noronha 
To: Goanet 
Subject: [Goanet] God, the Pope ... Bill Cardoso and Henry Derozio
Message-ID: <
camcr53k95qcen2fd3whswwu9-35yosvmdor5o6vfxouygzs...@mail.gmail.com>

I thought the medication had damaged my brain and sight  a Goan pope, a
Goan God and Henry the Eight.
A fresh banana and my brain cleared ..all these guys weloser
investigation actually made me realize that a certain  Marcos Cataoare
actually Tanganyikans .who started in Dar during the DOA days t
went to St Josephs in Dar
Welcome to the EA Goan Pope Group. Membership is free.
Only condition Don't be a white Goan Canadian

Grandolfo Mascarenhas
In Transformed Dar es Salaam

PS Do you have any photographs   of  Dar Goans going back to 1905 when the
Germans shifted the capital from Bagamoyo to Dar

[Goanet] High Rise Building in Dona

[Adolfo Mascarenhas]

I can sympathize with you and the ability of some people to manipulate the
situation. Frankly once you allow high rise buildings in residential areas
 it makes  no difference whether it is an 8 or a 29 story building. .They
destroy history, destroy all greenery...

We can say it started with the Tower of Babel, but it is the Greed that is
responsible for the high Rise.But for those who equate High Rise
Building with Modernity and DEVELOPMENT.In Dar es Salaam, Tanzania
one of the poorest countries in the world we can see the crunch  empty
buildings, no tenantswho can afford the $US 10,000 per month rent for a
3 bed room apartment !

It is obscene

Adolfo Mascarenhas
Dar es Salaamof Gon

PS I am sending this email, next to my house which millions years ago were
part  of the Gondwanaland the super continent.So we have everything
from the cycad, neem trees, palm, baobab gainst, Australian Palm etc etc
we are in a Residential Area but the pressure is mounting for HRB

[Goanet] The Late Architect TONY ALMEIDA of Dar es Salaam

[Adolfo Mascarenhas]

Dear Antonio Menezes and other members of Goanet, in Message 4 dated Tue  2
Apr 2019 23:33:05 +0530  on  the Subject of Tony Almeida, the Goan Architect,
Who died recently in Dar es Salaam aged 98



*I am writing to thank you for enriching my perspectives and dimension of
my late friend Tony….He did tell me he had a brother.   When he learnt that
I was a also a student in St Josephs Convent School DSM ,but a decade
later, he was shocked and I sensed that those were dark and gloomy days for
him. ..that was when his mother died, so we discussed other matters about
what I was doing currently,  He was even more shocked, that since about
2008, I discussed matters of local knowledge, disasters and security with
high level bureaucrats and official in Tanzania and elsewhere /  *



*Over the years Tony did not mention, his father name  or for that matter
about his fathers cousin. So when you wrote  *


Quote  Francisco Almeida, originally of Patnimorod, Chinchinim.  Tony's
father Francisco was a pioneering business entrepreneur  who in partnership
with his maternal cousin Nazareto Menezes ( also from Chinchinim of Adv.
Laurente Menezes family ) opened a chain of general stores shops called
Almeida and Menezes in Dar es Salaam, Tanga, Morogoro and Bagamoyo during
the German occupation of Tanganyika ( Deutsch-Ostafrika)  before the First
World War..End Quote



My father Camillo Pantaleao from Quepem joined the British Administration
and with a Major Haig established the Headquarters at the fort in
Mahenge…nearby was a Swiss Capuchins Mission,  My father  was allocated the
Eastern Province , so my father moved to Mahenge, Ifakara, Morogoro, Dar es
Salaam, Bagamoyo, Rufiji .


Over the six decades I spent on and off Bagamoyo, I came across four Goans
families …Aslemo  Costa, .Lobo in the Customs, a friend whose father owned
a bar, and a fourth family whose name I have forgotten


*So how did I escape the Menezes ……I have a lot of interesting
questions…..and probably some answers*



*I am hoping to be in Quepem by the 15 of April to get my eyes and knees
fixed*




*So did you yourself spend  time in  Dar es Salaam  ?*




 I am hoping to be in Quepem by the 15 of April to get my eyes and knees
fixed. Looks as if there is a treata refreshed brain talking to you
fellowsand one more place to visit Goa


Adolfo Mascarenhas

In Dar es Salaam

[Goanet] Invitation to Book Launch: Shadow of the Palm Tree by Vatsala Mendonca - 7 April 2019, 6.30 pm

[Adolfo Mascarenhas]

While I cannot make it ...it will definitely be a book that I  will drop in
my basket

Adolfo Mascarenhas
DSM

[Goanet] Message 6 Tue, 19 Feb 2019 12:29:09 +053015 Facts About the Indian Diaspora in Africa

[Adolfo Mascarenhas]

*Dear Frederick”*




Notwithstanding that both the citations you referred to were termed
“*suspicious”
*I still  enjoyed reading your contribution.   All I would get were the
last 4 facts 11-16.


The Indian Diaspora is a monumental undertaking and is complicated. When
the topic  of Goans/Indians is raised in the British Parliament, Germany
South Africa (Gupta and Corruption)



I want to confine myself to our Goaness and Diaspora for several
reasons.These are::

1)I know that my Grandfather and Greatgrandfather were
Christians…..but where did they come from, were they Hindus or Muslims. Was
that fellow called “Augustine” taling advantage of the amnesty declared by
the Portuguese which even allowed criminals to settle in Nova Conquesta
(??)

2)   Why was Quepem chosen by Deao Almeida  with the churchreally
remarkable fellow ….his palace is a Heritage, Connected. he built the
Church, the school and even the market place. Accidently in 2006 while just
curious about the alter, I found that there was an even older alter …made
of clay and the church had a mud floor until my parents decided that they
would tile it.

3)   The house that my parents purchased was actually built by a Hindu
family, and became the house of the Judge. The walls of the house are about
a metre  wide built of clay lime mixture,, the height of the house nearly
30 metres, the roof was of tiles and monkeys and white ants  were ready to
bring   down the entire edific

4)   Every trip to Margoa I visted the Emporium my haooksul was nearly
30 books  2 of the prized books were Sita Valles….. Saint Joseph Vaz  My
interest in Mozambique and Angola …actually made me realize how lucky and
protected I have been

5)   A visit to the Quepem College …History Department  made me realize
how much local knowledge and culture matters…

6)   There is something special about Goans …..so I wonder when will a
Goan win a Nobel (Maybe Noble) Prize in Literature,  will we get a Goan
Pope?…Goans Have done a lot for Peace &

[Goanet] Condolence Message To honour Dr. Teotonio Desouza

[Adolfo Mascarenhas]

Condolence Meeting To Honour Dr. Teotonio Desouza

First to offer my sympathies to the family & friends of our Professor
Teotonia. The Gatekeeper St Peter has great experience in keeping the
audit. May our Professor be admitted to rest in the heavenly abode.

My.first lecture in Goa, on the impact of the Goans in Tanzania and its
signifance to Development was held at XCHR. I then and still think it is a
great Goan institution.  This was nearly 22 years after I had retired from
the University of Dar es Salaam. Therefore  thanks to Frederick, I ventured
to talk at XCHR. I have in various capacities lectured or talked in dozens
of countries from Japan to Auckland.to Banks in South Africa, World Bank
etc.. I had an audience in all these places. Would I have an audrence in
Goa.. I did,  including my namesake Fr. N. Mascarenhas  It was a start.

The Professor was training  to be a Jesuit. He gave up his vocation. Many
are called but few are chosen. Lets praixe the Lord for giving us such an
outstanding Goan.

Adolfo Mascarenhas
Dar es Salaam

[Goanet] A Time To Mourn Canadian White Church.

[Adolfo Mascarenhas]

I am surprised about the a amount of RedHsrrings this & related topics has
generated.

I a curious about the following;
1) have all Goans who  migrated to Canada, from Aden to Zambia, Zanzibar to
Kuwait and  Mwanza, Arusha not to forget Real Goans from Goa, Bandra  all
of a sudden become white.  How did they do that...IGMT(Instant Genetic
Modification Treatment) if that is the case can the process be reversed.
White people  becoming Black.   Al Gore shoulc be notified...Climate change
means White People people will remain unpfotected against horrible R Rays,
2) Catholics & other Christians A White Man Religion... ( i am well aware
of what the Portugues King and the Papacy did)  but note the following
   a) Christ was not White he was a Jew
 The Romans were the Colonizers.
 Peter & Paul (Saul) were killed by
the Romans
b) The Greeks & Romans had some
  very strange leaders & plain
   folks(just like Goans!!》
3) ALL OF YOU HAVE HEARD OF THE APOSTLE THOMAS & BARTOL. YES THEY  MOVED TO
SOUTH INDIA WHERE DARK SKINNED PEOPLE LIVE... THAT WAS AROUND AD 37/40.
THERE WERE CHRISTIANS IN INDIA ABOUT 1500 YEARS BEFORE ST FRANCIS XAVIER
AŔRIVED. WHITE MANS RELIGION...MY FOOT

4) A BIG FLAW IS TO EQUATE THE CHURCH AS BUILDING. WHERE DID CHRIST WORSHIP
WHERE WERE THE SACRAMENTS FIRST INSTITUTED.. IN A ROOM CLOSE TO THE GARDEN
OF GEST...

5) IN DAR I LIKE ATTENDING AT DON BOSCOS... IT IS A BASKET BALL COURT MOST
TIMES.  MANY GOANS ATTEND. AS DID, FROM TIME TO TIME THE REPRESENTATIVE OF
THE VATICAN & EVEN PRESIDENT MKAPA

6) Your point of the Moravians is interesting. Former Minister of Defense
Prof. Serungi and my neighbour at UDSM is a Moravian  ,his Hungarian wife
is a Catholiche comes to church...

 Finally lets be Z Bit More Circumspect & try bring Understanding between
people...lets be a bit more responsible rather than just leaving it to
Priest, Bishops & the Pope

Adolfo Mascarehas
In Dar es salaam

Re: [Goanet] Goanet Digest, Vol 14, Issue 97 GOAN SAINT

[Adolfo Mascarenhas]

lius est Jerusalem?. There should be an enquiry at All India Radio
Panjim, to find out where is this wealth of Goa Church gone because most of
the people who occupied the top post there after the exit of Portuguese
from Goa were ignorant of Motets and other such materials and as such there
is every possibility for them to destroy the same.   *

*A.Veronica Fernandes.*
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Date: Sat, 16 Mar 2019 14:51:51 +0530
From: Sonia Gomes 
To: goad...@gmail.com, goa...@goanet.org, navin jha
, Avertino Miranda ,
hcnscr...@gmail.com
Subject: [Goanet] Agh? Milagrin, Khell nachotta mugo, tum ienam gh??
Milagrin, the Khell is going on, aren?t you coming?
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Who says we do not have fun for Carnaval?



Khell in my village


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Date: Sat, 16 Mar 2019 08:12:49 +
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To: goa...@goanet.org,  "Estb. 1994! Goa's Premiere Mailing List"

Subject: [Goanet] Goan Saints
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Adolfo Mascarenhas wrote:

 ...
What would happen if a Goan became a Pope

My guess:

He would decree that the entire Catholic World adopt the MANDO as their
chosen dance!



Mervyn Maciel


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Date: Sat, 16 Mar 2019 17:30:48 + (UTC)
From: Mervyn Lobo 
To: "Goa's premiere mailing list, estb. 1994!"

Subject: Re: [Goanet] Goan Saints
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  St. Jose VazOn Friday, March 15, 2019, 4:52:42 p.m. CDT, Adolfo
Mascarenhas wrote:
 Mervyn
How come you have not heard of St. Jose Vaz. With Padre Agnel sainthood in
the offing thats two saints. Albania with two or three times more people
has only 1 Saint.? Saint Joseph Vaz fasci?ates me for 4 or more reasons:
1) I actually met Fr. Cosmo the first? miracle..He even autographed his
book book.
2) My very old interest in Climate & Famines.Several Miracles including
competing with Buddist Magicians, calming crazy elephants, halting a flood
9(could have been an Indonesia Tsunami..
3) the survival of Catholics without churches
4) He did not force Lankans, Buddhist, Moors etc to become Catholics.
5) Evil. Christians who are white including White Goan Canadians(WGC) who
did not stop colonialism, looting etc...Saint Vaz realized that in Goa,
only white fello

[Goanet] Goan Pope & The Mando Decreed? As A Preferred Dance !

[Adolfo Mascarenhas]

This would lead to a major schism...the Argentinian would insist on the
Tango and even stop making claims on the Falklands, in turn  the Brazilians
would insist on the Samba.. and even stop playing Futbol.

I regret a Goan Pope ..not a good idea. A  Goan Pope would only lead to
GOAGOPONY.

I hope Pope Francis has a long reign. He is good. Agreeing to make clergy
who molest minors will be  rimknal offence is  a bold step but the national
lobby especially in the US can sabotage the rational decision.

Adolfo

[Goanet] Roland's Scenario With A Goan Pope

[Adolfo Mascarenhas]

Really hilarious... Goan imagination at its best. ...
Why should we people go to war, needless wars...children & women suffer the
most.

Roland would you agree with me that the Nobel Prize should have a category
called ' 'Humour'?

Adolfo Mascarenhas
Dar es Salaam

[Goanet] Goan Pope

[Adolfo Mascarenhas]

Francis please Enlighten me...you are not implying that the Jesuits Canned
mangoes like in CAMPBELL SOUP. I  thought that Mangoes were indigenous to
Asia & Africa.I know that the Portugese introduced Avacado, cassava,
chilies etc.

I spent six weeks doing my field work in the Santa Rosa county in CA. We
lived in a bracero camp, which served as a Prisoner of War Camp for the
Japanese

So while therr,both Mexican .men & women mistook me for a Mexican & in
Spanish, i replied in Kiswahili. I was the only non white in a group seven
Phd.students from UCLA. I...i lesrnt quite a bit about Avacado, lettuce,
orangesbut the problrm was that Chavez was hated by the landlords for
protesting low wages.

Ok what did the Jesuits do.about Mangoes I am curious?

Adolfo Mascarenhas
In Dar es Salaam
Not a Mexican

[Goanet] GOAN SAINTS & the role of Giese & George

[Adolfo Mascarenhas]

George both you and your Goan Friend Filomena have done such a fantastic
job. I really admired your persistence. Sorry for the confusion between
wife and friend !

 You bet I will make an effort to read "A Man, a Woman and their Tryst with
Destiny", will it come as a book ,

Being a Goan is plus most of the timeadd California and the chemistry
gives you gold nuggets.

God Bless
Adolfo
Dar es Salaam

[Goanet] Appeal to Ugandan Saints to help

[Adolfo Mascarenhas]

Yes things are grtting worse.. ane one word describes ig GREED  Hhis for
power & wealth. Gold & Petroleum. The rights of the pastoralist be
dammed..ditto rights of the young. Some ten or more years ago, whkle
looking at about 30 research proposals from new Phds in Hydrology, it
occured to me that the social & envirommrntal were being ignored. I asked
the omed who could make it to Nairobi whether they had heard of Kolten. Not
one! A certain American firm, using Sat. Imagery could pin point...location
and the crooks would come with their helicopter...

[Goanet] Message 8 Modi The Dictator

[Adolfo Mascarenhas]

I agree with you. But when you look around its a decade of Dictators 1)
Donald the Trumpet  2 ) his close buddy from North Korea  3 ) the new
Brazilian right winger   ++ )Africas Mugabe, Kabila etc etc
All the chappies feel that they will last forever

Adolfo Mascarenhas

[Goanet] Message 6 Global Tango

[Adolfo Mascarenhas]

Francis
I enjoyed your piece. Its good when we Goanet can be usd to see the funny
side of life

Just curious...the Tango originated in Argentina.. the present Pope Francis
was an Argentinian... There has been no Samba Loving Brazilian Pope ...
What would happen if a Goan became a Pope

Adolfo

[Goanet] Goan Saints

[Adolfo Mascarenhas]

Mervyn
How come you have not heard of St. Jose Vaz. With Padre Agnel sainthood in
the offing thats two saints. Albania with two or three times more people
has only 1 Saint.  Saint Joseph Vaz fasciñates me for 4 or more reasons:
1) I actually met Fr. Cosmo the first   miracle..He even autographed his
book book.
2) My very old interest in Climate & Famines.Several Miracles including
competing with Buddist Magicians, calming crazy elephants, halting a flood
9(could have been an Indonesia Tsunami..
3) the survival of Catholics without churches
4) He did not force Lankans, Buddhist, Moors etc to become Catholics.
5) Evil. Christians who are white including White Goan Canadians(WGC) who
did not stop colonialism, looting etc...Saint Vaz realized that in Goa,
only white fellows could be priest ...he started his own order.  HE HAD
GUTS.  HE DID NOT HAVE A CRAB MENTALITY

[Goanet] A Goan Pope

[Adolfo Mascarenhas]

Your Message: 2 Date: Wed, 20 Mar 2019 14:06:44 + (UTC)
On GOAN POPE To: Goanet 
Subject: [Goanet] GOAN Pope
Message-ID: <245817277.7310417.1553090804...@mail.yahoo.com>





*Jean and Marcus “*

*Thank you for educating me…..I had no knowledge of *, Ivan Cardinal Das or
for that matter Cardinal Dias.

I learnt something and that is why I read and sometimes write for the Goan
Digest.



If you note St Peter was not too educated but he learnt fast to be an
apostle. Some of the Popes were thoroughly wicked …..but I wish that more
was written about those who were humble and powerful  …Pope Francis is
exceptional ….whether he is inQatar, or in the USA ….I agree who knowns we
may indeed have a Goan POPE


Grandolfo

Dar es Salaam



*PS*

Did Christ have fun ….You know when he spied the fellow who had climbed
 the tree because he was shot.  Crist tells him to come down because he was
cured…..He must have had a smile on his face when he went to Peter, an
experienced fisherman, and tells him put your net down

[Goanet] My response to Mervyn Lobo & related contributions on christianity, colonialism

[Adolfo Mascarenhas]

Apologies for all the spelling error ...its more than an octegarian
problem. Mervyn has an elephant sense of humour and despite moving.south to
Texas his Tanzanianess has been refreshed. So while apologizing, most broad
minded Goans (there are so many of them) will understand my position
regarding White People, Colonialist Closure of Churches in Canada etc

Grandolfo
Still in Dar es Salaam

[Goanet] Ms Leymah Gbowee

[Adolfo Mascarenhas]

George













Goa Net Issue 232  of Monday 27 May 2019

Thank you for keeping me on my toes. What Ms. Leymah Gbowee did in Liberia
is inspiring …..and after the carnage in Sri Lanka we seem to be in a
killing spree in the last few months. …

Here in Dar es Salaam we had a weeks celebration on Mwalimu Julius Nyerere,
in his efforts to help in the Liberation of Africa . The Unity was a human
one not based on the race, religion or power



I will write to you about my efforts in Quepem/Goa to start a  Centre for
the Understanding between the People of Asia and Africa. In memory of my
Late wife Ophelia, who was a Zanzibari, it would be   focused on the
University of Zanzibar and the College in Quepem.  I hope to tap on your
experience

Let Peace & Wisdom Prevail
Regards

[Goanet] Trashing the Magic of Charles Correa

[Adolfo Mascarenhas]

So many different facets on Trashing the Magic of Charles Correa ,,,I am y
biased …especially after he designed the Jamatkhana in Toronto ….shortly
before its completion he requests the Aga Khan for more land on the horizon
for the greater Glory  of God . The Aga Khan did !

I am also reminded, about my visit to Istanbul as the guest of the Mayor.
Our guide told us  about the great church which the Moslems wanted to
destroy. The Imam reminded them that a few degrees from true east would not
make a difference to OUR LORD.  The church and the mosque still stand

I do not want to be attacked  BUT basically

 “All art is autobiographical. The pearl is the oyster’s autobiography”
Federico Fellini

Attack FF for this quote

[Goanet] St Joseph Vaz and the Basilica

[Adolfo Mascarenhas]

Your message 3 on Sunday 11 August 2019


As an Africander I have pro sentiments but we must get our facts straight
….Even those nourished by the crystal clear waters of Kilimanjaro are human
and make errors.   I refer to your statement *that  the Tower of St.
Augustine?   Such gesture would be the first time that a brown saint
comes to the aid of white saints.*

I would like to re mind Goans of good spirit who consume Feni that St.
Augustine, that great thinker was an African, so was his mother St Monica*.
*

That crumbling edifice St Augustine was not built by the Portuguese whites
alone  ….do they build with basaltic blocks in Europe ….Local labour and
masons were used in hundreds.

For me St Augustine’s was a source  of inspiration from the age of 11 when
I was nearly shot by an African soldier in the service of the the
Portugese. The timely intervention of my father  and the Portuguese white
officer who was less trigger prone saved me from being a casualty.

I am definitely Pro St Vaz, Pro Basilica..there are great sentiments
scattered throughout your intervention


Adolfo in

Dar es Salaam

Re: [Goanet] Goanet Digest, Vol 14, Issue 457

[Adolfo Mascarenhas]

Hi Lawrence and all New & All Friends,

I have been caught up with all types of sensitive issues and am not 100%
myself.



First  apart from appealing that we as Goans really honour St Joseph Vaz as
did the Lankans  (including those in the US) and others. I am aware that it
would be against  the nature of Goans to ditch St Francis Xavier who is our
Patron Saint. In my opinion a saint is a saint. He is Gods gift to the
world.



Secondly, I realize that others whom I respect have also joined in the
conversation  Until about 8 years ago when I was in Pilar I did not know of
St Joseph Vaz.  But I met Fr.  Cosme Joseph Costa. He is an authority on
the Iranian  Cross. Because of my keenness and interest, he presented me
with his book and autographed it.  I was so touched  that I gave him a
donation.  What had intrigued me was that for the first time I would know
about the fate of  St Thomas and St Bartholomew who were martyred  in South
India.  Imagine my surprise when I learnt that Fr. Cosme Joseph Vaz. His
mother was hemorrhaging so badly that the doctor had given up hope. In
desperation he gave his wife a relic of St Vaz.  Next day she delivered
perfectly.  In the beatification process instead of two miracles  the safe
delivery of his mother was accepted as a strong enough case.



Thirdly, I had simply not heard of St Joseph Vaz….until my fortuitous encounter
with Fr. Cosme. During my frequent travels to Goa to visit family,
following the demise of my wife Ophelia Mascarenhas  I found out more about
St, Joseph Vaz.  My main source of information is the volume edited by
Aleixo Menezes and his team of four all priest except for Ms. Dr. Janet
Desouza  Fernandes .  The book  produced in 2015 by the Archdioses of Goa
and Daman . The book of 334 pages is well produced and and its highlights
includes the  illustrations.  I have admiration for all the twenty one who
contributed.  There is even a Group Capitain and Trainer of Mig fighter, an
pilot,  and  to keep DrJanet in the psychologist company, there is Sr. Dr.
Evelyn Monteiro, educated  in France in Systematic  Theology  and is based
in Pune.



Fourthly In vain did I look for the names of Mr Pinto and From: Filomena
Giese < Then I remembered that Filomena had said that it was easier to
scale Everest than to break through the barriers and bureaucracies of the
church. What the Niak Institute has done in the Bay Area should inspire us
all



Fifthly   St Joseph Vaz suffered discrimination…..so they created their own
order…..But discrimination against coloured people was practiced right into
the 1940's.  ...the biggest threat now


A few months ago ...I would oppose a huge Basilica I have changed my
mind for various reasons ...including letting the Lankans the upper hand/



Adolfo Mascarenhas

Dar es Salaam

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[Goanet] Revolution Rather Than Reformation

[Adolfo Mascarenhas]

Mervyn

Dr Michael Lobo’s very perceptive article about the upheavals during the
Reformation, which should have been called REVOLUTION  was good.

On a related issue,  the fact of the matter was the Spaniards and the
Portuguese rulers in dividing the world between them also made sure that
Vatican got the permission of these two Governments to have bishops
appointed.  For a long time it was worse than that …coloured people could
not become priests !  St. Joseph Vaz with the help of the Holy Spirit
defied this order ….it took more than 3 centuries to make him a Saint !

More on this...

[Goanet] Two Other Brave Goans The CASTROS Who Defied Discrimination

[Adolfo Mascarenhas]

My contribution to keep this discussion going is divided into two parts. My
main source eventually was Fr. Cosme Joseph Vaz Costa. I had forgotten
about the two Castros.,,,but just like St. John the Baptist, who met such a
cruel death we have something parallel here.

*Part 1 St. Vaz & Two Other Brave Goans Who Defied Discrimination*

Two young Goans, Thomas de Castro and his nephew Mateus de Castro wanted to
be priest. This was simply not allowed for a person of colour. The two
young fellows walked ? all the way to Rome.  They did exceptionally well
and after  their ordination and more training and were Consecrated as
Bishops. PROPAGANDA then allocated them an Archidioces ses  them Bishops.
They were promptly sent to those areas  where the Dutch, the English and
French were making heavy inroads. Thomas Castro was sent in 1677 by
PROPAGANDA as Vicar Apostolic of Mangalore. The Portugese authorities were
furious and were insulted  that Rome had stopped the previliges of the
whites. Indeed PADROADO wanted to persecute the Bishops as usurpers and a
schismatic and Archbishop Brandao published a pastoral letter before his
death to have them  excommunicated.them.

*Part 2  Joseph Vaz Meditates & Prays to Serve The Lord*

After his ordination St. Vaz  went back to the village and taught in the
village school.  There was no parish priest because only whites could in
charge of parishes.  By chance Canon F Saldanha of the Archdocise of Goa
who had gone to Macau

 China had stopped in Sri Lanka, now under the virulently anti-Catholic
Dutch. His ship was boarded by local labourers who told him that they had
been without sacraments and were indeed forced by the authorities to join
the Reformed Church. A way had to be found. Joseph Vaz volunteered his
offer was turned down.



The new Archbishop of Goa offered wishing to use Joseph Vaz as a pawn,
offered him a high title as Vicar Forane of Kanara” After consultation he
accepted it because that was the easiest way for him to do a lot ed for
those who had been  spiritually abandon and practical work  from teaching
to regularizing marriages and looking after the sick and reducing the
burden of poverty.


I have a few  questions:

1) How relevant is all this in our contemporary and digitized world?

2) It is alright to kill the babies, children and old people because their
Government is not friendly to the MNC

3) Goans are not super rich like the Jewish Community so  how else can
we help.


Adolfo Mascarenhas

Dar es Salaam

[Goanet] Our Cousins In Karachi

[Adolfo Mascarenhas]

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*Our Cousins in Karachi*



Dear Eric Pinto

I thank you for sharing the unique and inspirational topic on Our Cousins
In Karachi.  Please thank Dr Michael Lobo  The contribution is all Goans
and also Mangolearns who for over a century gave their best to better
themselves and their families and offered services to all others.   Some of
those born in what was to became Pakistan remained and are still there.d



Now the questions and comments and observation:

1)   What Dr Lobo has presented is an autobiography of the Goan
Community and its contribution. >

2)   Was the piece only for Karachi or are there others on Quetta ,
Rawalpindi  and  other centres ? Can you imagine if individuals from all
Goan Communities from East Africa to Australia,Burma, Germany   Macau to
Canada, California etc etc wrote a piece like Dr. Lobo? I think it would be
fantastic handbook.

3)   There were several Goans who were in the Police and Armed Forces
and one indeed landed ,in the Tanzanian Police and training school in Moshi
Tanzania



Comments:

1)   There are nearly a million Catholics in Pakistan, Yet it is a
hostile country.  The blasphemy laws still apply and was there not a case
when they wanted to execute a young boy on this charge

2)   The role of Goans women educators and medical doctors has been
immense and long lasting and this to me is to me is very significant.

3)   You mentioned only in passing a an archbishop who has retired.  Is
 Cardinal Joseph Coutts a Goan. Was there not there not a Goan Bishop in
Faisalabad  also a Goany

4) Are there any Goan artists and novelist



Once again Thank you



Adolfo Mascarenhas

Dar es Salaam  Tanzania

[Goanet] (no subject)

[Adolfo Mascarenhas]

Message: 4 Date: Mon, 26 Aug 2019 16:39:53 +0100
From: "Eddie"  To: "GOANET" 
Subject: [Goanet] Remembering Kenya:  A Page from the Past
Message-ID: <167216F0FA8C4D5B84911A47819719D0@EddieHP>



*Reaction To  *Mervyn Macie PoemWHEN UHURU COMES?.



First  human Congratulation on Crossing The 90 years barrier. This to me is
even more important than the scientific crashing of  the sound barrier.
More than half a century ago !  In human terms it means that not only did
your parents raised you to be a fine fellow but imore critical your Creator
had an important assignment specifically for you Mervyn.



Your Poem opened a flood gate of thoughts,  empathy/ mood of that period,
It also highlighted the very big differences between Kenya, Uganda and
Tanganyika and Zanzibar.  Kenya was first and foremost a British Settler
Colony very much like Australia or South Africa.  This meant that they not
only grabbed land but exploited labour to the fullest. The implications of
these two was far reaching. ,The three countries were governed differently.
We in Tanganyika  as a Mandate of the League were different, Uganda was a
Protectorate and Zanzibar a sultanate.

Independence meant different things to the section of the different local
and migrant communities.

I hoped to comment a bit more on the poem reflecting on the above para, I
will have to wait for another occasion.



Eddie Thanks for sharing


Grandolfo


** PS My Tanzanian neighbour,  a friend and former VC of the UDSM was
rushed to India for Medical Treatment.

[Goanet] Papaya Extract to Treat Dengue: A Novel Therapeutic

[Adolfo Mascarenhas]

Dengue Fever, just is yet another disease that is currently making its
rounds in Tanzania including in Dar  es Salaam.  A daughter of Goan friend
of mine about 3 years fell ill with the disease ...Her treatment was boiled
Papaya leaves ...Horrible stuff bitter as they come (quinine is bit
sweeter) . The doctor had recommended drips ...she refused.  Four days
later she was around  and about. Her grandparents came from Moira .

During World War 11 against that maniac Hitler, thousands of British Troops
were afflicted by the disease in India .I have asked myself  " .Why is
it appearing again ?. Is it because there are maniacal leaders around
.Don't want to name them but one fellow is called Donald .his
ratings are heading towards DUCK !

Adolfo Mascarenhas
In Dar es Salaam

[Goanet] Bad Reporting ....in Dailies on Pollution of Goa Rivers

[Adolfo Mascarenhas]

I know it is disgustingly discouraging about the rivers, the creek, the
location of dumping lands but sooner  or later some Editors, Reporters are
going to realize that its far better to tell the truth rather than pander
to the whims of the Politicians .

I am optimistic that there will be a counter reaction in Goa It is only
when Editors and Reporters and Ordinary Citizens begin to DISAPPEAR  or
their bodies are found "apparently Suicide" that one needs to fear. This is
happening in several African countriesas it happened in Burma..and
now even the Nobel .Prize Winner is criticized for her weakness.  In
contrast In Britain...Ministers and even relatives of Ministers are
resigning because they simply cannot accept the rot.

Time to appeal to Saint Vaz.

Adolfo

 .

[Goanet] Message 4 Issue 428 St Joseph Vaz

[Adolfo Mascarenhas]

GL

Thank you for responding.

To tell you the truth, unfortunately In Dar es Salaam, I have met only 3
Goan friends who have heard about St Vaz.  Frankly, my guesstimate is that
less than 10% out of the 500 Goans in Tanzania have heard of him. I learnt
of him through Fr Cosmas in Pilar in 2008. Fr. Cosmas even an autographed
his book…I was intrigued of his interest in the Persian Cross and the
journey of the Two Apostles Thomas and Bartholomew, from Syria through
Afghanistan, Pakistan, Bombay, past Goa and then South India.  I was told
by a Mr. Thomas a south Indian that actually St.Thomas was martyred.



Recently when an argument arose that Catholicism was a  “Whiteman’s
Religion” I refuted this popular notion…The fact is that .it took more than
500 years later before Ireland, Britain etc were converted. Indeed the
first African Saints were St Augustine and his mother Saint Monica  !  Long
before St PatricK



At the beginning of the year, while I was in Goa, I visited his birthplace
and the shrine and more important I bought multiple copies of Books on St.
Vaz books from various bookstores in Margao.



 I was impressed with the stamina of this Goan saint….because of my
interest in Famines, disasters and violence.  On the 26 of July I was
talking to my Tanzanian friend from the southern part of Tanzania bordering
Mozambique.   I will be giving him a copy of the book on St Vaz, mainly
because I wanted him to understand the amount of discrimination practiced
by the European Political/Religious clique.  German missionaries in what
became ot Tanganyika did allow Africans to become priest because they were
incapable to think.  Ironically the worlds largest Catholic Seminary is in
Nigeria ….


It is so important to bring understanding between people. At the end of the
day St. Vaz is for all peopleGoans should feel proud.


Adolfo

PS The second copy will be given to my friends son who happens to be a
Capuchin priest  

[Goanet] Joseph Vaz Basilica

[Adolfo Mascarenhas]

In response to Message 5 Issue 433 of Sunday August 4

Martin I agree with you that in the Global Hemispheres, art and
architecture is synonymous with culture.  In this Unfortunately in this
world of our Economics and Technology  take an upper hand not only in India
but also here in Tanzania...

If GL puts Sn Goa, it is acculturated with indifference. likely to
receive more? resistance and criticisms from the fidalgos than from the
plebeians.?   And majority will say, "You come to Goa and do it...This
endeavor should also enjoin Native with Diaspora Goans.?

Let me add, very Intriguing Indeed !!!  You fellows have hit on something
….. Imagine if Angola, Mozambique, Brazil and Macau and others of the LUSO
Heritage all contribute.

Since Charles Correa is no longer with us and even Anthony Almeida of
Tanzania (Africa’s Prize Winning Arch) is now RIP.

. Which Goan professional wants to be trashed ?


Adolfo Mascarenhas

Dar es Salaam

[Goanet] ST Joseph Vaz Basilica in Goa

[Adolfo Mascarenhas]

In Message 3 of Issue 438 on the above Topic

GL responded by asking three questions:
1) Now that Joseph Vaz is a Goan saint, do the Goans in East Africa
celebrate his sainthood?
*" My Answer  in Short .Very few Goans know about St Vaz...St. Francis
has been celebrated right from the start in the Cathedral in DSM..Very few
people know of St. Vaz ot surprised .not even in Quepem was it
celebrated in a big way. *I am n
2) Have the Goans in Goa built a basilica for their son - the first saint.?
*Not yet but from what Dom states he had already contributed quite a bit
as have several others in terms of ideas. I am optimistic it will happen
one day*
3) Or are we waiting for the White Revolution and/reformation to do it for
us while we sit back and talk and analyze sixteenth century European history
*To me the debate is fruitful and important  Here in Africa if we are not
careful, some priests will drive away good people by judging entire
families rather the alcoholic husband, the poverty of the family that makes
them from giving their tithes *

YOUR ANSWER  Mervyn
GL,
Goans never need much of an excuse to celebrate and when they do, they are
usually unquenchable. Thanks to the internet, every year I see live videos
of people in Goa celebrating St John the Baptist -? by jumping into a well.
Every year! I can understand jumping into a well once but surely ? at some
point ? it becomes clear that St John is not the focus of the celebration.

Mervyn
Your observation about St John the Baptist is true
However your volunteers .raiding Kandy will only bring back a fake
body *.My reading is that nobody even knows where he was buried.*

My thoughts for the day still on art and the Basilica .Let me quote
Federico Felini
"All art is autobiographical. The pearl is the oyster's autobiography"

Adolfo

[Goanet] Outstanding Goans DIEGO LOUIS PEREIRA

[Adolfo Mascarenhas]

Dear Marci
With reference to Message-ID:


Did you have an attachment on Mr Diego.  I would be interested . for
several reasons .
1) It was the entry point for Goans getting into Kenya and Uganda ...it
surpassed Zanzibar after the Berlin Treaty and Kenya became a domain for
Kenya settlersZanzibar remained a British Protected Territory under an
Arab Sultanate
2) While reading on Sita Valles, the Great Angolan  Revolutionary ...There
was an account of how her maternal grandfather, A Goan, was the Honorary
Portuguese Consul
3) My roommate Reynold Noronha, did outstandingly well and was one of the
earliest to be elected to the FRCSHe passed away some years ago in New
Zealand.

Kind Regards
Adolfo Mascarenhas
Dar es Salaam ...

PS Could you in private send me the main goals of your project? I am trying
to document  the Goan Presence in the greater German East Africa area

[Goanet] OH YES St. John Helps .....He answered our prayers

[Adolfo Mascarenhas]

Dear Advocate Rodrigues:

I am responding to your contribution in GOANET ISSUE no 370 on Sunday 15
July


I have admired your stamina and consistent fight against corruption . I
hope one of these days when I come to Goa, I will stop by Ribandar.  My
Taxi driver from Quepem has his family there. My purpose for writing to you
are two fold because as you state



*Quote *St. John the Baptist (Sao Joao) rightly referred to such bandits as
a Brood of Vipers in condemnation of such evil acts against the people
by hypocrites
in power.



The prophetic words of St Francis Xavier still ring true: Goa ninguem
levar? mas por si acabara (no one will take Goa, but it will be finished by
itself).*End Quote*



I have been praying to St John for some time.  Lo behold my prayers were
answered.  In Washington DC, the rain in one hour was the equivalent to a
whole year of rainfall. Cars were floating. That  mansion of the Chief
Politician in Trumpet land known as :” White House” did not escape the
wrath…..the archives were saved in the nick of time.

Therefore please do not pay attention to cynics, even if it  happens that
the  learned Professor is a Goan.



PEACE

Adolfo Mascarenhas

(Professor Emeritus Working on Use of Knowledge for Disaster & Social
Management

[Goanet] Issue 387 Message 2 REACTION TO BLACK BOX

[Adolfo Mascarenhas]

Roland Thank you ,I used that imagery, six coffins of a different
colour the last one was the Black Box...I was trying  to bring some sort of
understanding about a sensitive matter in which the bureaucrats were
pretending that everything was OK.

Would you agree that the Pastors son had put the last nail in the coffin ?

Adolfo

PS I actually worked with an English lady, who survived a crash when flying
over the Mediterranean ...My teacher from Ireland, A Catholic from Ireland
persuaded her husband , for some reason or the other, not to fly with the
British Airways Comet. It crashed...later he too became a Catholic  ...The
Comet ...was succeeded by the VC 10.

[Goanet] To who can I attribute this quote?

[Adolfo Mascarenhas]

In Issue 391 Message: 2 of   Sat, 20 Jul 2019 15:03:17 -0700
Message-ID:

 you ask the simple question *To who can I attribute this quote?*
*"Elementary" as my old friend WATSON would say *
*The answer is *
*Obviously a Goan born near the highest peak in Africa, where the water is
so clean that the brain can sprout quotes ...A town called Moshi (not
Arusha)*

*2) Such a person must also see justice to all people including Arabs in
Palestine*

*3) Must live in that wonderful land called California. This writer spent
his happiest days in LA, field work in Mohave, *

*Grandolfo*
*Now liviing in Dar es Salaam*

[Goanet] Your Contribution In Family Links Going Back Generations

[Adolfo Mascarenhas]

Thank you Frederick.I actually found it works .what Impressed me
was that very colourful map of Goa ...Quepem where my ancestral home is
located is a large but puny compared to its neighbor
The portrait of Holmes and his spouse was impressive .

I wonder how far back we can go ,I have a theory back to Adam & Eve and
since the Garden of Eden was in Africa that means we have to scramble
and find our African connections.

Have a Good Sunday .

Adolfo
Close to the Garden of Eden

[Goanet] Bananas , Ndizi, Munanas, Cavendish Moira

[Adolfo Mascarenhas]

Joao
I read your Piece in ISSUE 664 on Banana TREES Really TREES ...you mean
trees with branches.   Need to brush up your Botany. Still

Dear Joao:

My Uncle who lives in Planet Mars knows that I  live in URT.  That also in
URT, which informally people call Tanzania,  the Great Banana eaters are
the Wahaya, the Wachagga and the WaSauti in the South. They happen to be
extremely smart because real ripe Bananas are fuel for the brain. In 20
minutes the sugar is in the brain and it gets down to work. Maths, Poetry,
drama etc become easy like dezi (Swahili for bananas ..there  are more
than  250 varieties even red ones, sweet one etc etc)



My Uncle  the Martian, whom I met in Los Angeles in 1964   also knows I am
a Goan and drew attention that many people mistake Mkono ya Tembo,
translated into English means Elephants Hand are not bananas but
plantains.   Yes each plantain can weigh 900 grams.  In Goa they grow  the
plantains  in the Saligao area.  The problem is that people eating them are
on a very slippery path  ….when they fall they might really injure their
brain and will have to be locked up ….put in a straight jacket and all that.



I read your ODD to the Banana.  I think you wanted to write an ODE.
Shakespeare also had some same  awareness so he wrote Mid Summer Madness.
The banana was not known in UK so perhaps he was born slightly POTTY.  You
know the famous lines “to be or not to be”  He really tied himself in a
suicidal knot.  Ditto R & J.  ie plot is same location changes from Denmark
to Italy.



I can almost predict what my Uncle from Mars will recommend:

1)   We all know that you love bananas …in fact you frequently walk
along Banana Avenue

2)   So don’t worry about cyclonic winds….take care of Nama the Toad.
Even the French won’t  even sniff at them.

3)   Of course the banana TREES in your garden should have a trunk…not
a suit case (Honestly you do not need to file a suit….Cases in Goa takes
forever.  The Ponos, Tamerind have stems with branches ….the banana has
leaves for stems.

4)   Do Goans have a culture of banana art, banana alcohol, banana to
increase the milk supply of lactating mothers?

5)   Did you really mean a LONG happy smile  ….My Uncle The Martian
actually firmly believes that fellows who have a long permanent smile
definitely needs consult the brain/doctor  immediately.

6)   My Uncle The Martian knows about us Goan netters and is prepared
to take us to Mars.  He is scheduled to Arrive  and Depart on the same day
on 11 Feb 2121

7)   So please keep eating bananas, smile after reading this piece



PS The Bugandas are also great MUNANA (Plural for Banana!)  eaters…the call
the goey dish matoke and it is eaten with a relish of flying ants. Could be
crunchy crispy fried or made into a yummy curry.  Neither Iddi da Amin nor
Mussa de Vaini was/is a banana eater and look what a mess  Iddi performed
with the help of the British a revolution which backfired .  If Boris’s
grand dad had eaten a Banana or Too  in Turkey there would not have been
such a mess in UK.

[Goanet] Jerry Luis....Father of Jazz in East Africa RIP

[Adolfo Mascarenhas]

Judy Luis-Watson sent me the sad news that her Dad Jerry Luis had passed to
his  permanent home. May his soul rest in peace.  By coincidence Inn a few
hours I will be going to pray at Don Bosco's Eva his Widow.  We offer
you our condolence. Rest In Peace Jerry. .

I was seven years old when I heard Jerry play the accordion  there were
10 Goan Families,  there were toddlers, the in between and teenagers. When
Judy wrote the book and the MSS was sent to me by the publishersI was
struck that Jerry was a unique human beinghe fought racism, castism
To me the book was the autobiography of a Band That was review was
really to Jerry and his mates for bringing music and understanding.among
all people.

Franky, Peter Nazareth, Mary and other  relatives  plus the hundreds of
friends that lived in Tanganyika/Tanzania/Zanzibar. Lets have a minute of
silence to respect Jerry an  Icon of the Goans and a such human.

[Goanet] Lopes Your Post of William Tyndale & Translation of the Bible Issue 679 Tuesday 19 Nov

[Adolfo Mascarenhas]

Dear Nelson

Thank you for your :enlightening piece on the devout Tyndale who took all
the trouble to translate the Bible, both the Old & the New Testament into
English. He was executed on the orders of the Bishops and the Church
Hierarchy. Henry VIII more than anything else had his own very selfish
reasons for supporting Tyndale (Soothsayers had assured him that his wife
would give him a male heir, when she delivered a girl, she was imprisoned
and a few months later Henry had her executed)  Henry VIII severed from the
Vatican Roman Catholic Church to create the State Religion the Church of
England. As you rightly point out…” in 1534 the Roman Catholic Church
accused him of heresy”



Lets pause and take in the very first Pentecost the Holy Spirit descended
on the Apostles, the first Bishops and they could speak in diverse
languages not just Hebrew but scores of other languages.  St Thomas, walked
all the way to South Indian and used local languages to preach. It is only
when people understand the ideas and faith of their new religion that they
can be converted.  Other Apostles, worked in other languages like Syrian,
Armenian etc.  St Augustine, the great African Saint and Philosopher and
Thinker tried to understand “God” by reading Greek, Latin and even the
earlier Egyptian thinkers.  Religion is enriched by using knowledge – not
prejudice !.



Soon after reading your piece, I was talking to a very old student of mine
and who retired as Professor from the University of Dar es Salaam. More
than a hundred years ago, the Bible was translated into Haya (One of the
157 languages and dialects in Tanzania ). First it was hand written, later
typed and much later even printed. Among the Kurya, the former Minister of
Defense has translated the Bible into his own language and Kiswahili. His
Hungarian born wife and children are Roman Catholics.



But lets go to the very first Pentecost, after the Ascension of Christ.
The terrified  apostles and disciples were inspired and the flame of the
Holy Spirit  hovered above and suddenly they had the gift of the tongue.
They could speak any language and be understood.  Note that they did not
speak Hebrew. St Thomas who went to distant South India, you think he spoke
Hebrew or Latin??? No way…he spoke the local language.  Ditto the Apostle
who went to Armenia, Syria etc.



Jesuit priests took Indian Names, said prayers in local languages, customs
and traditions.



Now the world over the Bible has been translated into 900 languages.  You
state that Tyndale is ranked 26/100 greatest Britons.  You have whetted my
appetite, probably includes Shakespeare, Byron, Bernard Shaw,




To repeat myself Religion is enriched by using knowledge – not prejudice !
  If the Lord has given us brains it is to think about equality, justice
and peace….so be it.



Adolfo  Mascarenhas

 Dar es Salaam

[Goanet] Are We Truly Christians?

[Adolfo Mascarenhas]

Dear Nelson

Being a normal Christian Goan, who visits Goa frequently, I found your
soliliquy disturbing. Like that Dane called Hamlet, who soliliquized with
the famous words’ “  “To be, or not to be, that is the question
.”
But there was no doubt  in my mind that “

 “
While one of the characters in Hamlet  thinks that there is“Something is
rotten in the state of Denmark.” I think and many Goans in Goa think that
there is something wrong in Goa.  Not only Christians but people of all
faiths.  The finger is pointed to a group of Politicians of various hues
and colours (saffron, blues, paan)


Finally like Polonius (Act , Scene 3) I am suggesting that“This above all:
to thine own self be true,
And it must follow, as the night the day,
Thou canst not then be false to any man.”



A thought occurred …did Shakespeare visit Goa, or was he even a Goan. How
could he write  so many things true of contemporary Goans? I will have to
consult my uncle in Mars!



In  a few hours time we will be having celebrations at St Josephs Cathedral
in Dar es Salaam. Happy Feast.

[Goanet] Spanish Inquisition.

[Adolfo Mascarenhas]

Message-ID:


hFrederick thank you for the additional reference .it gives yet another
perspective ...it was indeed a great period of turmoil ..the
reformation was taking a new dimension in Europe ..
Suddenly   a few of the clergy were behaving like Godcondemning men.
women and children to torture ...setting people on fire and actually
enjoying it. It  reminded me of s a few Pilgrims in the Thanksgiving where
they decided to burn Native Indians .

\\\in contrast to all this ...Pope  Francis talking in  Qatar was full of
humanity. I am copying this to Glen who gave me a hard copy some weeks ago

Adolfo

PS *I may have given *an* impression* that  Saint Vaz did not know how to
write.  Ofcourse he knew to writeI have seen specimen of his writing.

[Goanet] Who Started The INQUISITION NOT SFX Check GREGORY & PALS

[Adolfo Mascarenhas]

..More 4 decades ago one of the worlds leading Encyclopedia based in UK
approached me to write on TanzaniaMy expertise was sisal, DSM Maps
traditional marketsCertainly not Kilwa or SFX. Imagine my surprise the
same authority nudged me to pay attention to what happened a couple of
CENTURIES before SFX was conceived.

I do not claim to be a Professional Historian  like some dobut like FN
I  am hooked up to being a Goan and that means I cannot avoid history

HERE GOES IT IS EVEN COLOUR CODED



Most of the Popes starting from about 1184 were from the Italian Peninsula
and somehow either knew each other and  tried to outdo each other to tackle
problems mundane or serious.  Most were virulently anti Jewish

*The Italian Pope Gregory IX * born around 1170 and was Pope from 1227 to
his death in 1241. He issued the Decretales that instituted  the Papal
Inquisition because of the failures of the episcopal inquisitions
established during the time of Pope Lucius III through his Papal Bull “Ad
Abolendam” that was issued in 1184.

Most of these Popes wanted to push for the dogma of the PAPAL SUPREMACY e
Pope Honorius inherited the traditions of Pope Gregory VII and of his
cousin Pope Innocent  Several decades later Pope Innocent III  zealously
pushed their idea of Papal Supremacy

In 1233 Gregory IX established the Papal Inquisition
 to regularize the
persecution of heresy .[7]
 The
Papal Inquisition was intended to bring order to the haphazard episcopal
inquisitions which had been established by Lucius III
 in 1184. Gregory's aim was
to bring order and legality to the process of dealing with heresy, since
there had been tendencies by mobs of townspeople to burn alleged heretics
without much of a trial. In 1231 Pope Gregory IX appointed a number of
Papal Inquisitors (*Inquisitores haereticae pravitatis*),

*mostly **Dominicans* * and *
*Franciscans* *,* for the various
regions of France, Italy and parts of Germany. The aim was to introduce due
process and objective investigation into the beliefs of those accused to
the often erratic and unjust persecution of heresy on the part of local
ecclesiastical and secular jurisdictions

Gregory was a remarkably skillful and learned lawyer. He ordered the
preparation of a Nova Compilatio Decretalium 1234 and various supplements
that laid the foundation for papal legal theory.

Gregory observed that many of the clergy loved the trappings of  wealth
that included  personal property, luxury and splendor. To counteract this
he  supported the mendicant orders such as the Dominicans ‘and the
Franciscans. Both Saint Francis of Assisi and Saint Dominic were his
friends



Gregory IX and Frederick came to a truce, but when Frederick defeated
the Lombard
League  in 1239, the
possibility that he might dominate all of Italy, surrounding the Papal
States , became a very real
threat. A new outbreak of hostilities led to a fresh excommunication of the
emperor in 1239 and to a prolonged war. Gregory denounced Frederick II as a
heretic and summoned a council at Rome to give point to his anathema
.



Things turned really nasty Frederick responded by trying to capture or
sink   as many ships carrying prelates to the synod as he could. Eberhard
II von Truchsees who was Prince/Arcbishop of Salzburg xat the Council of
Regensburg declared that Gregory IX was "that man of perdition, whom they
call Antichrist, who in his extravagant boasting says, 'I am God, I cannot
err'." He argued that the Pope was the "little horn" of Daniel 7:8  The
first Pope the Apostle Peter and  Gatekeeper must have shaken his head in
disgust ,



*Finally,  inIn the **1234 Decretals*
*, he invested the
doctrine of perpetua servitus iudaeorum – perpetual servitude of the Jews –
with the force of canonical law. **According to this, the followers of the *
*Talmud* * would have to remain in a
condition of political servitude until **Judgment Day*
*.* The doctrine then found its
way into the doctrine of *servitus camerae imperialis*, or servitude
immediately subject to the Emperor's authority, promulgated by Frederick II
. The Jews
were thus suppressed from having direct influence over the political
process and the life of Christian
 states.

*Pray where does  SFX fit into the Inquisition ???*

[Goanet] St. Francis Xavier Another Perspective From Tanzania on Inquisition

[Adolfo Mascarenhas]

*Let me preface my remarks by the following observation:*

*1)Under no circumstances should politics and religion get mixed up.*

*2)The oppression of men, women and children is wrong….its  a crime against
humanity.*

*3)Priest, Bishops and even Popes are humans and cannot know everything
about sciences etc*

*4)There are more “educated people in the world today than at any other
time in History  *

*5)Most “HIStory” are exclusive meaning “women are excluded” :”OURSTORIES
are at best Oral History”*



*Last Tuesday, 3rd; December  I, went to St. Josephs Cathedral (SJC) in Dar
es Salaam for the Feast of SFX.  Immediately as you enter SJC In a +metre
high wooden statatue of SFX , The Cathedral was completed in 1905.  However
under the statue is a plaque. The statue was donated by the Goan Community
about 10 years before the church was built. Who were these Goans, what were
their names ?  Since the event took place when the Germans ruled this part
of East Africa, I know where to get the names. *



*Yes the Mass was celebrated by Fr. Mario Dias. (OFM Cap) but there was no
Celebartions in the Goan Institute, Instead we celebrated the life of Abel
DSilva, brother of John DSilva, the formost Goan artist  from Zanzibar   I
am glad to have met all the folks from that Island*



*Expansion of:*

*1)Under no circumstances should politics and religion get mixed up.*

To understand the Inquisition in Goa and Portugal, we have to go to Spain.
The Grand Inquisitor <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Grand_Inquisitor>, was
selected by the King and was a member of the royal family  Inquisitor,
named by the Pope <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pope> but selected by the
king, always from within the royal family
<https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Royal_family>. He in turn appointed the
Inquisitor in Portugal, Goa etc The first Grand Inquisitor was D. Diogo da
Silva, <https://pt.wikipedia.org/wiki/Diogo_da_Silva> personal confessor of
King John III and Bishop of Ceuta
<https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Roman_Catholic_Diocese_of_Ceuta>. He was
followed by Cardinal Henry <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cardinal_Henry>,
brother of John III <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_III_of_Portugal>,
who would later become king.



The major target of the Portuguese Inquisition were those who had converted
from Judaism to  Catholicim;  the Conversos
<https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Conversos>, or New Christians
<https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/New_Christians>. were suspected of secretly
practicing Judaism <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Crypto-Judaism>. Many of
these were originally Spanish Jews
<https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sefardic_Jews> who had left Spain for
Portugal, when Spain forced Jews to convert to Christianity or leave. The
number of victims is estimated as around 40,000.



*Did SFX torture and force Hindus, Early Christians and Moslem to became
Catholics? Was he the *Grand Inquisitor.  NO! NO !  Perhaps the Dominicans
??

SFX preached the Gospel, cared for the sick.  He was a linguist.  He
suffered a lot during his travels.  During one trip when the boat sunk and
he lost his cross, the crab dropped the cross near him.  (Talk of Goans &
Crab Mentality)   He spent only 10 months in India but he was more
impressed by the Far East. Malaysia, Japan and China.

The reality in today's  world  from Trump to Modi, Brazil to Philippines
there is  the mixing of Politics and Religion it cases  Greed
substitutes Gods I


End to Part One


Adolfo Mascarenhas

Not too Peaceful Dar es Salaam

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[Goanet] The Inquisition & SFX And The Trade In KILWA

[Adolfo Mascarenhas]

Part II
Last Friday in tasic Message was

*Did SFX torture and force Hindus, Early Christians and Moslem to became
Catholics? Was he the *Grand Inquisitor.  NO! NO !  Perhaps the Dominicans



SFX preached the Gospel, cared for the sick.  He was a linguist.  He
suffered a lot during his travels.  During one trip when the boat sunk and
he lost his cross, the crab dropped the cross near him.  (Talk of Goans &
Crab Mentality)   He spent only 10 months in India but he was more
impressed by the Far East. Malaysia, Japan and China.



The reality in today's  world  from Trump to Modi, Brazil to Philippines is
that  there is  the mixing of Politics and Religion it causes  Greed
and substitutes Gods I


PART II

A Focus On Kilwa

 Kilwa is a name of a district in present day Tanzania, It is also the name
of a port and a settlement.  In 1489 / 90 A Portuguese scout named Pero da
Covilha disguised as an Arab merchant, did a lot of intelligence gathering
and after visiting Malindi, Sofala and eventually landed in Lisbon where he
presented his report,  In 1496 Vasco da Gama  armed with Covilha’s report
left Lisbon with his flotilla of ships on his epic journey to India and the
East.  The following year, in 1497 he reached the Sultanate of Kilwa where
he tried to make contact with Kilwa vassals in Mozambique. Mombasa and
Malindi seeking their cooperation as staging posts for the Portugese fleets
on trading missions.  In 1500, the second Armada under Pedro Alvares Cabral
arrived in Kilwa but failed to negotiate with the sultanate.  For the next
decade or so there were intrigues, double crossing and counter coups and
assassinations by and within family members  of the local leaders and the
Portuguese slowly succeeded in establishing footholds in Eastern Africa and
even  erected the fortress of  Santiago on Kilwa and left a garrison
behind, under the command of Pedro Ferreira Fogaça.

Meanwhile Goa was a mosquito ridden swamp, with Hindus. Muslims clashing
with each other and intrigues and alliances enacted all over again.

Portuguese rule was not very welcome by the various vassals . Particularly
grating was the mposition of Portuguese Mercantilist laws on the sultanate,
forbidding all but Portuguese ships to carry trade in the principal coastal
towns. The majority of traders and merchants from Kilwa were thrown out of
business.including the lucrative trade in gold, ivory, gum etc.
Eventually  trading companies from England, the Netherlands, France would
dominate .



Those responsible for inquisition were  lustful (yes ) psychopaths, greedy
to the core, more interested in acquiring land and wealth of those they
enjoyed torturing, burning etc. Was  SFX disgusted with what he saw in
Goa.?  Jesuits, like SFX converted people by making them understand.so
language, customs were important/  Soon the Jesuits would earn the wrath of
the conservative Bishops and Popes !

Some time ago, I picked the book “ Slaves And Sultans” Alan Machado Prabhu
who comes from Aldona, where my maternal Grandfather and Grandmother built
their home. Most of Machado’s family were lost. After numerous examples of
heroism, for instance Mendes who sacrificed his life by pretending he was
Tippu, Pinto who organized an escape route Pascal Gonsalves who defied
authorities to visit his aged mother. Peter Rego who defied the authorities
and built a chapel in Manglore. Therefore in his conclusion  he states:

*These and many ordinary men and women, boy and girls mainly unsung and
unknown are and will continue to be, the real heroes” *

Nelson who raised the whole issue of being a Christian, came to the
conclusion that following the Beatitudes was more important than merely
following rituals. I agree. Christ himself did not live in the temple, he
preached, he cured, he asked the Samaritan woman for water,



Finally there are more than a millionCatholics all over the world.  Are
they all stupid to believe that there is a Higher Being, that we humans.
While the vast majority profess a belief be it Hinduism, Moslems or
Buddhist , there is no war between the Gods.



Therefore .  Pray can anyone explain why SFX did not impose the Inquisition
in Japan or Malaysia etc

[Goanet] NELSON's IPod Needs More than Digital Assistance

[Adolfo Mascarenhas]

In the Goa Digest of Tuesday  15 Oct 2019 19:18:54 +0530 it  is apparent
that the following will happen
1) According to the Third Law  of Coincidence  the IPad  is readying itself
for the repeat of the same error Topic and Message repeating itself
2) This could be very contagiousfancy even a video coming full blast
3) It could be a sinister plot against SAMSUNG Trump's Colleague in
Korea wants US to cease importing South Korean vehicles, refrigerators
HEIR  conditioners
4) Regretfully Denial of benefits of arrears  will last for more than 3 1/2
years
5) It is the Global Duty for Goans to help fellow Goans. HELP HELP

Adolfo
In Peaceful DSM will plan to Visit Goa  After Problem Resolution

[Goanet] Recent 5 Canonization and Controversy

[Adolfo Mascarenhas]

Dear Nelson

In your haste to hit the streets, the Headline became the Contents and the
Contents were repeated all over again.  I was not sure what your trust
was...the leaders of Catholic Church erred when they gave so much emphasis
on skin colour etc. St Augustine and his Mother St Monica were both
Africans.  That is another story. ...back to St Mariam Thresia of Kerala

My interest in St  Mother Mariam Thresia. were four fold ..Briefly

First: She like St,Pio was also blessed with the stigmata kept it secret to
avoid attention. I “discovered” the book on St Pio given to the Mascarenhas
Family in 1976 wishing us a happy New Year. In the Refurbished Church in
Upanga Parish, Fr. Mario Dias showed me the stained glass windown with
St‘Pio.  The following Sunday there was a celebration Mass in the Parish of
Our Lady of Fatima and this was followed by the blessing of a massive
Grotto dedicated to St Pio.  This was less than 700 metres from Our Lady of
Fatima Church.  On the 6th of October 2019, I attended services at Parish
of Makongo Juu, close to where I live. There was a stained glass window of
St Pio. ..I asked a VIP of the Parish Council who was the Saint. He had no
idea. I whispered to him about the 700 miracles performed by St. Pio

Secondly, Mariam Thresia, founded the Congregation of the Sisters of the
Holy Family in Thrissur in May 1914.  What is remarkable is that she tended
to the sick, helped the poor and constantly made it her job to spread the
social and message of peace etc , I think this is so important in India and
our contemperory world with the likes of some of the Presidents, PMs etc

Thirdly, Along with the St Mariam Thresia who was canonized was St
Newman….the former Anglican …who moved to the Roman Catholic fold. Both
India and Britain sent high level representatives …Prince Charles and India
seems to have sent an Invitation to Pope Francis to visit India in 2020.
Will there be a special message for Pilar? I hope so.
Finally…I hope that what St, Vaz, St Pio and St Mariam Thresia have
emphasized will be taken seriously. Less on massive statue and more on the
human aspect, dignity of life, health, education etc. Not violence and War

Adolfo Mascarenhas

[Goanet] Harakhchand Sawla Helper of Cancer Patien. Message 2 Issue 597

[Adolfo Mascarenhas]

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Camillo Fernandes:

Count me as a fan and a supporter of Harakhchand Sawla. The individual who
said I will help my neighbour.  My brother who had cancer of the lungs, a
900 grams lump. A non smoker  the menace asbestos roofing in the Govt.
Chemist.   He was admitted at the Manipal Hospital, when I saw the head of
the Oncology with a suggestion from the morphine based treatment, which
turned him into a zombie,  she brusquely said “Why waste your money” I made
alternative arrangement at NUSI which was closer to Quepem.   Six weeks
later he was at home, talking to his friends, celebrated his Wedding
Anniversary  He had more than 4 months saying  good bye.  What  Harakhchand
Sawla is doing is inspirational.


Last Friday here in Tanzania after hearing what a group of Imams and
Bishops  said about the Service Delivery of Health  had the courage to tell
usthat Health for the Poor, Women Children was not about how much money
the doctor could make but to be practical,  Harakhchand Sawla has done
exactly that I am sure he will be recognized sooner or later.  I
believe Our God will make sure that his work will be rewarded  for eternity

[Goanet] (no subject)

[Adolfo Mascarenhas]

Bernado
Your  Message: 4  in Issue 598 Date: Fri, 4 Oct 2019 13:56:05
on Would it be possible, to have a gist of what J.K Fernandes  said in the
UTube message . There might be others like me who had 6 months of
Portuguese, seventy plus ago .to say its rusty is an understatement

I am interested because of the unfolding of PM Boris stand etc

Adolfo Mascarenhas
In Dar es Salaam

[Goanet] Are Goans Close To Europeans ?

[Adolfo Mascarenhas]

Hi All

President Benjamin Mkapa’s, who was the was hand picked by the Father of
the Nation, become President has just produced his autobiography which is
caused quite a rave , His the autobiography, My* Life My Purpose*/



What prompts me to write is that  I came across the following statement on
page 21 and I have emphasizes the section on the Goans



You sensed a certain class consciousness *especially Goans of the Indian
community,* who believed that they were of a higher class than and close
 to the Europeans than  the Indians other. The Indian society is very
structured, it also felt a cut above us the Africans,  I must emphasise
that there was no real hostility though of course there was racial
discrimination in Dar es Salaam, with places where no Africans were allowed
such as a club or an hotel “



What is your reaction? A couple Goans in Dar have asked me if had read the
book. Yes I did.  and I have attached  a copious  number of stick-ons


Adolfo  Mascarenhas

In Dar es Salaam

[Goanet] GOA LIBERATION DAY

[Adolfo Mascarenhas]

Message: 4 Date: Thu, 19 Dec 2019 20:33:39 +0530

I am referring  to your above mover the globe from US. essage. This seems
to be a decade of  major dictators all US,India  UK Brazil but Justice will
triumph.


From: Aires Rodrigues  To: goanet <
goa...@goanet.org>

Aires In the end truth will triumph no matter what these Political Goons
try to do,

My and the prayers of many of us are with you.  Ribandar will survive. God
Bless and Happy Christmas to you family and all friends



Adolfo Mascarenhas

Dar es Salaam ….Tanzania

[Goanet] Goans Who Wrote In Kiswahili

[Adolfo Mascarenhas]

Frederick

You wrote * Are you aware of any Goans who wrote in Kiswahili, and if so,
could you offer any online pointers? Many thanks in advance, FN*

Interesting questionI am not aware of any Goan attempting to write in
Kiswahili ….However, .It will come …I  strongly suspect it will come  from
3th, or even 6th,  generation of Goans  from Zanzibar i A few  months ago
at an event at the Goan Institdute in Dar…I overhead teenagers boys and
girls conversing in Kiswahili ,it was the Zanzabar variant of the
language …For Mainland Goans English dominates,  Big differences among
other Asians….The Itnasheris have lost their language and use Kiswahili



Beyond  EA it  interesting how indentured labour from India  working in the
West Indies gave us the Naipals who in 1970;s found the Asians
critically different.



Sorry for the delay …I was up in Ngorongoro …..I nearly abandoned the trip.
I was not told that it wasrecognition for helping the Govt in its
application to create NCA; as a World Heritage Site and subsequently
fighting to ensure that the rights of the Maasai are not compromised.
Fortunately for  me President Julius Nyerere took me seriously the
bureaucrats and politicians were checked and I was appointed Chairman


Adolfo

[Goanet] Query (PETER NAZARETH Goanet Issue 37 Item s

[Adolfo Mascarenhas]

I thought the query was on Peter Nazareth.We in DSM Glen and myself,
Pat Crole Rese were wondering what happened to Peter.

What a relief...Peter is still with us and even replies to email.

I will have to visit him in Trumpetland

Grandolfo in
Dar es salaam but
Leaving for Goa tonight

[Goanet] THE HERO WENDELL RODRICKS GOES BACK TO OUR CREATOR

[Adolfo Mascarenhas]

Shocked when I read the headlines in all the three Goan Newspapers in
English. He will remain a hero because he fought against all forms of
Prejudice. Some of  these especially towards the Kunbis is unbelievable in
the 21 Century ...but sad to say it exists.

He died peacefully.May PEACE REIGN

To his Friends and Family my Condolence

Adolfo Mascarenhas
Presently in Quepem Goa

[Goanet] John Nazareth your piece on SFX Inquisition

[Adolfo Mascarenhas]

John Wonderful pieceI too was under the belief that SFX was responsible
for the Inquisition in Goa. As  you rightly point out , this is sheer
rubbish. The Dominicans and decades later were the real culprits.  Francis
spent only a short time in Goa.

On the 24 of December 2019 I came from Ngorongoro to DSM. At the Airport in
Dar es Salaam I was treated like a hero by the security.  It so happened
that when I was invite to Ngorongoro (NCAA) the Government of Tanzania
through our Vice Prez who comes from Zanzibar awarded me with a plaque for
have helped to create NCAA as a UNESCO's World Heritage Site. (WHS) My
biggest obstacle were a fe powerful politicians did not believe in human
rights...and went about destroying schools. etc.  President Julius Nyerere
heard about it a commission was formed and I ended up by being the Chairman
of NCAA

I pledged to the Vice President that I would help the Government to
establish two world heritage site   ONE IN KILWA the other IN LINDI. YES ST
FRANCIS WAS IN KILWAHE WAS STUDYING THE LANGUAGE, TENDING TO THE SICK
AND GETTING CONVERTS.  AT THE SAME SITE THERE WERE MASSIVE MOSQUESFOR 5
CENTURIES CHRISTIANS & MUSLIMS HAVE LIVED IN PEACE CHRIST NEVER TOLD
HIS APOSTLES TO KILL PEOPLE WHO DID ACKNOWLEDGE HIM.

I will write some more .to you.

Grandolfo in Quepem

PS
I read a book on Anjuna two nights ago fascinating  book yes like Saint
Joseph Vaz we might get a second Goan Saint

[Goanet] A Proper Appreciation of Goans ....

[Adolfo Mascarenhas]

 Mervyn in your message :
<66303214.1583554.1586317139...@mail.yahoo.com>Message:
2  of : Wed, 8 Apr 2020 03:38:59 + (UTC)  you take me up on my point 6
in which I state

Six, it is important to get historical facts straight. In in 1919 the Goan
*leadership Tanzania? celebrated 100 years of the Goan Institute. It was
way off the mark.? The Goans in Dar were celebrating the feast of SFX in
2005there is a Statute of SFX in the Cathedral..The photo shows
clearly that there was a sizable Goan community if you could count all the
children.  The builders of the GI were from from India you can tell by
their dress and turbans..

 But You are right .  Doc,Goans started associations in Zanzibar in the
1880s.?

   I am now learning from you, that "Before the St. Joseph's Cathedral was
built in Zanzibar, Sunday mass was celebrated at either the Portuguese or
the French Counsel's residence. Later on, mass was sometimes celebrated at
a Goans house and then dinner, etc was served. From these gatherings, Goan

Goans arrived in Tanganyika before the Germans did and started associations
there too. I have seen a letter signed by (the then Portuguese) Goans in
Dar - prior to WWI - pledging allegiance to the Kaiser. I would have loved
to have seen the looks on the signatories faces when the troops of the
Kaiser's cousin marched into Dar es Salaam, a few years later.?

 You State  I am underlining *"The reason, I think, that we celebrated just
100 years of the Dar Institute is because the old association had to be
disbanded and a new association formed with adherence to British laws. In a
magnificent twist of fate, the new Goan Institute secured a German property
that the British had confiscated (spoil of war?) - which was right in the
center of tow*n.?

Mervyn that is not correct. The Germans did not regard Goans as Indians but
Portuguese. So they could be treated in one of the finest Hospitals in the
Tropics, The European Hospital,  In addition they were allowed to have
property and put permanent Structures ! Hence Architect Almeida and the
Menezes ? put up Light Hse right next to St. Joseph.

Mr. Cajaten Vaz,  was probably responsible for that ...He worked for the
Custodian of Enemy Property during the British Period. His daughter was
Finahe had 3 blocks of flats. JP Luis ,  Jerry's father stayed in one
we were in the same building...above was Fina and Her Husband Edward
Noronha.  Next to them in yet another building were the Sequiera Family,
below was a Muslim family with many Goan Friends

Finally let me help...There was British Explorer...called Burton. THis
fellow came to Goa and was shocked by the Goan Women that they were bold,
westernized...He thought they were "Loose". Now Burton teams up with a
fellow British called Speke. Guess what they had two Goans as "valet"
...one of them was called Rodrigues, I think.  They walked and walked until
they came to Lake Victoria Both these explorers were sick, the Goans
looked after them. I do not know what they fed them ...probably Kanji and a
bit of mango pickle in salt.

I have a copy of Burtons Blue Mountains in DSM I would like to Donate
it to Quepem .but maybe I get another copy. Give one to Quepem College
and another to UDSM

Ok Mervyn

that's all from
Grandolfo

[Goanet] OH WHY Must Decisions on The Pandemic be so Irrational

[Adolfo Mascarenhas]

Tanzania is not so advanced scientifically or educationally as is India or
for that matter . Yet the information I have received over the
last two days  about the sensible decisions taken in Dar makes me wonder.

Both in St Josephs Cathedral and at the Don Bosco Centre in Upanga  Easter
Services will be held like normal.
Oh yes precautions will be taken.- this includes sprayed  disinfection over
a wide area, provision of hand soap

I am writing and copying to VM & Advocate Rodrigues both of. whom have been
so critical...and yet nobody pays attention. The evidence from the State
Government in in least two states reflects how a humane, sensible approach
can minimize the suffering of ordinary people.

Bureaucrats especially some in the banks are among the main culprits.  Six
weeks after tring to withdraw from my savings or investment account
have been in vain. Absurd questions, do I have a visa, why don't I have an
adhar  card.  Its sheer stalling for time
The argument that we should stay indoor for our own good rings hollow.
Meanwhile Happy Easter to you all

We require Divine Intervention/.
Adolfo Mascarenhas

Adolfo Mascarenhas
Wishing he was in Dar es Salaam

[Goanet] Insiders Look At Tanzania

[Adolfo Mascarenhas]

GL You requested " Why not give us your personal and insider's look at
Tanzania and it economic, agricultural, healthcare, and political
development since independence?"  Very tall order so I will take a few
chapter headings.
 First, When I graduated from Makerere, which was then part of the
University of London. I was part of 50 Goans from Kenya Uganda and I was
the first Goan from Tanganyika. Many other Goans followed as did an of
English Girls, whose mother, the Librarian in the British Council  asked me
for advise. Here I am as the top honours student  and this shocked the
Professor.  He simply could not understand when I studied.  Everybody reads
Text Books, I read others things including the "Celtic Fringe" " The Impact
of Urbanization in in America", Oh yes for some reason right in School St
Josephs, I read *"lnside Asia "*

The Government of Tanganyika under Julius Nyerere, (himself a Makerere
student )  assigns me to The Town Planning Department.  There are five
English Draftsman all ex-soldiers but with very little skills in planning.
The boss had a diploma. I went several times to see him and asked him for
an assignment, a small town called Korogwe, I was interested in airphoto
interpretation.  His answer was " A good civil servant never asks for work.
I gave him my letter of resignation next day. Vowed that I would never work
for the Government. I returned to Makerere and consolidated my relationship
with Ophelia Rodrigues from Zanzibar.

I return to the outskirts of DSM at the RC Mission School In Pugu. I have
seven students doing A levels Cambridge and 69 O levels. When the results
came all the 7 had done well...three became Judges or Professors in Law,
one the Government Verifier another the head of the newly created National
Development Corporation,  In the "O" levels yes the clear majority were
First Class or upper second.
 I loved Pugu...I was planting the seed that they should know more about
local soils than the vegetation of Britain or the Cliff of Dover. But in
Pugu I could return home on Wednesday and a long week week end. I taught
English for students who were Private Candidates...but more than anything
else I collected material on the City of DSM.  At a reception hosted by the
Dutch Catholic Manager of the Cathedral Bookstore I met the I meet this
American Professor from Michigan. He has a proposal during the July Vacation
would I go to Mombasa and do work on the CBD.  I complete the job, write
the report  My consultation fee amounted to  US1600. Enough to buy 2 brand
new VW ! But more than that a job  offer at Michigan, I preferred UCLA
because in addition to the Green Card I would also be Fellow in the
Afriican Studies Centre.

Chapter Two Ophelia and myself get Married August 1963. In Sept I go to USA
by Air France via Libya Paris, New York and eventually LA. Did field work
staying in a Bracero Camp, formerly a Prisoner of War Camp for migrants of
Japanese origin. It was great to be California in the Mohave, St Rosa,
Oxnard,  Christmas with my American  Teacher friends in Pugu.
I do not know how often I was mistaken for a Mexican.  I worked in the rich
Pacific Palisades AreaPolicemen do not molest a Mexican Gardner.

Chapter Three A delegation of Principal Secretaries from Min. of
Education arrive. The first question was "Why did you run away from East
Africa?"

Makerere knew I was a prized student, there was no room for me. They
offered me a job in Makerere, I turned it down, similarly for Nairobi. A
shocked trio tried to persuade me not to go to DSM...it was just starting.
My answer was I will do something Frankly I did not have a clue.  It
would be good to be back in Tanganyika now Tanzania and our parents would
meet their two grandsons.

Chapter four, I go to San Pedro to get my Immigration Status fixed. The
coloured Immigration Officer tells me "Young man don't go back, the Chinese
will turn you into a communist". I told her that I had more American
Friends than Chinese  The Chinese built the Railway from DSM to Zambia,
They brought 50,000 technicians and Labourers large groups would come
to my house to photograph themselves in the bougainvillea bush. Nobody
convinced me to be Communist !

Chapter 5, In 1966, four Tanzanian all of from American Universities and
one English Historian. We were discussing about the right of the University
to be free.  We wrote a letter to the Chairman of the UDSM Council who also
happened to be a Speaker of Parliament. The security fellows and some
bureaucrats complained to the President that we were trying to over
throw the Government . Privately President Nyerere made certain that my
family and me would not be molested by   Youth Wingers.

Chapter 6 : When Mwalimu Nyerere retired, I was one of the Three full
Professors to be decorated for having helped in the Development of Tanzania.
Prof Msuya was the Professor of Pathology. Prof. Philips, later who went to
Texas was a Heart Specialist.  I  became the Chairman of the 

[Goanet] Watch Your Spelling and bat droppings and did you

[Adolfo Mascarenhas]

In  Message-ID:  

[Goanet] Catholic Adolfo to Head The Catholic Thruth

[Adolfo Mascarenhas]

Vivian Message: 3  Date: Tue, 7 Apr 2020 09:56:17 + (UTC)
From: "Vivian A. DSouza"  Message-ID: <
1647921678.1773476.1586253377...@mail.yahoo.com>
 on the Subject: of Re: [Goanet] GOAN CLUBS THE VIEW FROM MOSHI


You stated

 Professor Adolfo, the need of the hour is a Goan Catholic Truth
Commission.? It could be in Cyberspace.We Goan Catholics? are guilty of a
whole lot of discrimination, both within our community and without.We
discriminated against each other because of Caste, although supposedly
there is no room in the Catholic faith for Caste, as that was? a Hindu
concoction.We discriminated against tailors mechanics and cooks, as
supposedly they were not? of our social status, though our social status
was that of lowly clerks n the colonial? administration..We discriminated
against, non-Goans including Mangloreans even though they are of Goan
ancestry,Hindus, Muslims, Anglo-Indians, Seychellois, Chinese etc. etc. In
the African colonies, we discriminated against the indigenous Africans,
mimicking the discrimination inflicted? on us by the white man.We need to
bare our souls and cleanse ourselves of the baggage that is weighing us
down.Who among us has the moral fibre and personal record to lead suc
 h a commission but thee

?
That was   in response of the message fro Tony on the Moshi Club

Tony Thanks a million for your Message: 5? Date: Mon, 6 Apr 202022:46:48
+0530??Mge-ID:? From: Tony de Sa <
tonyde...@gmail.com>

Sometime two years or so I purchased on Being A Goan Christian. The
Politics of Identity, Rift and Synthesis.  Catchy title and I have no idea
how I forgot it in my room in Quepem.  It is an easy to read book double
spaced and all that. The author is Father Victor Ferrao.  It is as if this
Philosopher Priest was reading our minds



The Preface was written by Dr Thedore Mascarenhas SFX, (Not a relative)
What is very important was that he in in the Pontifical Council for Culture
in the Vatican (the smallest and probably power ful State in the World.
Please don’t, ask me like one of the Russian Presidents’, how big is his
Army !!



Why is patient Asolfo so excited.  The Contents only 6 chapters cover 86
pages. Some are long some brief.

From Page  To Page

1)Being a Goan Christian
  621

2)Towards a Christian Response to the

   Politics of “Outsiding”
 2237

3)The Colonizers and their Clones

  A Christian Response of Post Liberalism Histography
3858

4)The Relationship of Colonization and the Coloniality

Of Relationship: Seeking a Christian Response59
76

5)  Dealing With The Unfulfilled Future of the Past
77 91

6)  Retellin the Story of Jesus In
Goa92 116





This book is not written by Catholic Priest with no reference to the laity.
The reference stretches all the way from Toronto to Near and remote
villages in Goa. Even our dear friend Frederick Noronoha is mention as is
Hartman.  If a new edition should come out it badly needs and *Index* .  I
could even volunteer to do it. I do read foot notes some of them are long.
On page 55 the footnote is 30 lines approximately 450 words



OK Vivian you were henind the move for me to head the Commission. I see
Nyet because these fellows are incredibly good.  There is room for hundreds
of us to participate but lets not be enslaved that Christianity is a
western religion.  There is a footnote about St Thomas and Bartholomew .



More to follow when I am rested

[Goanet] DOM & THE GOAN CLUBS

[Adolfo Mascarenhas]

 Your Message: 2Me ID:
 Date:
Wed, 15 Apr 2020 19:25:53 -0400

\Subject: Re: [Goanet] GOANAVIRUS



Dom you wrote:



*My flight recorder and mental trajectory will show that the
annotation?goanavirus? was slotted in context to the caste related trait
exhibited among Goans in East Africa. VoznadikVoyem also injected a potent
dosage. I neither summarily looped Goa nor the Goan community to that
characterization.*

*I have enough fuel to circle around but if I prematurely crash-land,there
will still be access to the blackbox to initiate an inquiry *
--XX

Voznadik Vojem responds:

With that forthright and candid acknowledgement, that Goa or Goans were not
summarily looped- I rest my case.

As you make the case to circle around,   .body and launching into
 intergalactic mission to continue his quest.  I fervently hope that *you
safely land in Kepem.

Abhar,


Grandolfo says you are all welcome.  However at my age I have forgotten
some of my Physics:

Black is the presence of all colours and white is the absence of all colours


Shining White Goans living in UK .Black Goans living in Africa and
other darker Kroners


Thank you Dom, thank you Abhar


-

[Goanet] Thornton Heath & Goan Clubs

[Adolfo Mascarenhas]

Message: 6Date: Sun, 5 Apr 2020 20:38:14 +0100 (BST)
From: MELVYN FERNANDES 
To: goanet 
Subject: [Goanet] The Goan Club - East Africa
Message-ID: <1956112680.4087884.1586115494...@mail2.virginmedia.com>

The Goan Club ? East Africa

Melvyn for a few minutes  I thought I was being unfair. Thornton Heath
Surrey. Perhaps it was a bastion of Knowledge and Culture of the Goans  .
So I looked up to see if there were any prominent Goans.  Out of 26 ranked
individuals, writers, musicians, footballers there was not a single Goan.
 Here is the list:

· 1 Eric Barker <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eric_Barker>, actor
2)  Alfred J. Bennett <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alfred_J._Bennett>,
artist  3)  Mary Berkeley <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mary_Berkeley>,
athlete  4)  Martin Butcher <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Martin_Butcher>,
cricketer 5) Ashley Chin <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ashley_Chin>, actor
6) Del Dettmar <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Del_Dettmar>, musician

· 7) Jane Drew <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jane_Drew>, architect
8)  Mickey Finn <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mickey_Finn_(drummer)>,
musician   9 Frankmusik <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Frankmusik>,
musician 10 W. H. Greenleaf <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/W._H._Greenleaf>,
political scientist  10) D. J. B. Hawkins
<https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/D._J._B._Hawkins>, philosopher

· 11 Beth Hazel <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Beth_Hazel>, swimmer
12 Anne Hocking <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anne_Hocking>, writer  13 London
Hughes <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/London_Hughes>, comedian 14 Christopher
Louis McIntosh Johnson
<https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Christopher_Louis_McIntosh_Johnson>,
journalist15 Wizz Jones <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wizz_Jones>,
musician

· Simon Jordan <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Simon_Jordan>,
businessman   17Peter Ling <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Peter_Ling>,
television writer 18 Edward Lloyd
<https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Edward_Lloyd_(publisher)>, publisher +*19 David
Payne <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/David_Payne_(footballer)>, footballer
20 Dickie Pride <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dickie_Pride>, musician

· 21 Martyn Rooney <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Martyn_Rooney>,
athlete 22 Flora Sandes <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Flora_Sandes>,
soldier 23 Steve James Sherlock
<https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Steve_James_Sherlock>, composer   24 John
Shuter <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_Shuter>, cricketer  25 Stormzy
<https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stormzy>, musician

·  26 Don Weller
<https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Don_Weller_(musician)>, musician 27 Wilfried
Zaha <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wilfried_Zaha>, footballer

 .

You can mention as many clubs as you want from Australia to Perth .The
clubs of EA were not KUDD, they were not Home from home. We always returned
to our families

Teenage nostalgia whether to drive a Morris Minor or an Alfa Romeo is part
of being a teenagerGoan culture...my braking foot. It makes you spin.

Eating "sorpotel" is good, even I like Sorpotel but Goans are part of a
wider community .You seem to forget that.

Please read, hear to Prof Stella Mascarenhas remarkable a psychologist, a
social anthropologist, An Adviser to the Government etc.

It is only when you realize   that Goan Clubs were NOT a were a Custodian
to Our Culture as Selma Carvalho has stated that real understanding will
take place.

Adolfo Mascarenhas

Still in Quepem.

Re: [Goanet] Still in Quepem.

[Adolfo Mascarenhas]

This fellow happens to be in Quepem because there are at least 4
generations of the family in Quepem.  Throw in the relatives scattered from
Aldona to Miramar, Zanzibar to London not to mention his children who were
born in the US and you get a cosmopolitan Human being.

Secondly this fellow absorbs a great deal from Goan Heroes.One of them is
St Joseph Vaz.  Why ? Because he is interested in Disasters,
remarkablhy just a few weeks ago after meeting Fr,\. Cosma's new book he
was astonished after reading a footnote, that Joseph Vaz was asked by the
Buddhist King to make a list  of the plants in Ceylon.

Thirdly, this fellow realizes that Quepem has a huge potential to
protect the environment.and be really sustainable.

Thirdly, the family will be int\vesting through Quepem College to break
through disciplinary barriers,  called History, Geography, Sociology  .

Fourthly this fellow  believes that knowledge is not created by those  with
a Ph. d but by people who observed and learnt. So one fine day in a remote
part of Tanzania he hears this Maasai Moron tell him that bees dont, like
yellow...h\How do  you know he He told me that the yellow flowers are
good for women who are suffering from nausea d Professor realized that
there was an opportunity The Maasai had a sister who knew how to read
and write ...so a month later ...I have a lsit of 72 plantsgood for
humans, animals and the environment.  GThis Quepemcar presented a paper at
DAVOS...A few Weeks later there was a request from the National Science
Academies of US  & China...My Answer was no...its the property of
Tanzanian Institutions

 The fellows in Goa over acted.

Fifthly there is the OOUUCCC factor.  Newton who was sitting had the
apple fall on his headhad he been concetrned about pain...rather than
why the apple fell EUREKA  Gravity.400 years later Armstrong lands
on the Moon.

Finally E DeSouza, I have an uncle on Mars.  He has antennas.  Do you ? You
could communicate with him. He has  a sense of humour.
He even knows that I like both Quepem and Dar es Salaam


Adolfo Mascarenhas
Will be in Kepem until the end of the month



On Tue, Apr 7, 2020 at 12:27 AM E DeSousa  wrote:

> Adolfo Mascarenhas writes:
>
>
>
> " Still in Quepem."
>
>
> Comment:
>
> Not trying to be facetious, but those of us who are clueless, wonder why
> is this guy in Quepem in the first place?
>
>
>
> Apparently he does not like this place a lot. Is this where his folks are
> from or does he own a big gorbhat there.
>
>
>
> Of course the stay safe lock down requires people to stay in place for
> their own safety.
>
>
>
> It is being reported that lots of Russian, Canadian, British tourists are
> stranded in Goa facing hardship.
>
>
>
> These are difficult times. Here's hoping that Adolfo Mascarenhas gets to
> go wherever he has to be.
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>

[Goanet] When Adolfo Becomes the Main Topic

[Adolfo Mascarenhas]

Message: 1  Date: Tue, 7 Apr 2020 12:52:38 -0400
From: Roland Francis  To: goa...@goanet.org
Subject: [Goanet] Adolfo Mascarenhas

Roland in  your message

Message-ID: <6648508d-282c-4f2c-a7cc-6de37e3c1...@gmail.com>

First, I was amused that you could not place me.  I was not surprised we
are all very uniqueeven if you had a twin brother, you would not be
alike.  One of my staff members had twin sons it was difficult for me
to tell them apart but more disturbing was that the boys had their own
language apart from Swedish, that is when they were in the womb, they spoke
to each other.


Second,  Roland I am surprised that in this digital  day and age you do not
use  the internet, with all your skills of picking up Bolivian, and Cuban
and Swedish singer.  You won't find me singing but in a  Hot-Seat" in Davos
you can hear me thinking aloud.


Thirdly if  you Google, my name and put butterfly and UNEP you will find a
paper of mine called the "The Dragon and the Butterfly"  The background was
that a certain African President was in league over the exploitation of
Kolton (that black mud that prevents your ears getting burnt)  How do  you
say that a President is a thief. But it so happened that I was in my garden
at the University in DSM. I saw this butterfly hover and then descend on
the bougainvillea.wowsuch a vulnerable creature making pretty
flowers.  IDRC (the Canadian one) asked me to address about 25 new doctoral
candidates  on the subject of Hydrology and Social Responsibility.  Not
surprising for me ...even scientifically they had become enslaved in a
narrow world.the colour of water, the debris and the different types of
mud  and that's when I asked about Kolton...not one has heard about it.


Fourthly, "madness"  oh no...Parsis of Bombay.  I really admire their
courage. Fancy telling the rulers that they are like sugar in the milk or
something like that.Look at their contribution Music, (at UCLA I
attended a concert it was not a German ...it was Metha}  arts Tata, Airline
.but madness I am a Banana and a plantain lover...helps to energize my
brain.  But what will the fellows in Moira think.


Sixth: Absolutely  right, as you put it ' .."His sentences were disjointed,
his thoughts flitting about like butterflies. "  I bubble with ideas and
like good SODA it has punch.  Drop in a few blocks of Iceabsolutely
refreshing..



Finally, I am not a medical doctor. A double honours in English and
Geography.  So when I gave up my TA'ship  at UCLA and returned to Tanzania
where I was a special lecturer at University, I started teaching students
about the human body and the minerals, a short time later I was asked to
give six lectures on food and nutrition.  I am not a medical doctor...but I
have been employed by WHO, advise my own Government on health facility
location etc.


Have a Holy Week   ...PEACE


Adolfo

Only in Semi Detention in Kapem

 : .



Viva and keep up the good work Doutor!



Roland.
Toronto.

[Goanet] A Budding Poet On KEPEM

[Adolfo Mascarenhas]

Abhar

Your message Message: 2Date: Mon, 6 Apr 2020 21:26:17 -0400

From: Voznadik vojem 
To: goanet@lists.goanet.org on the

Quepem, my Quepem, the quintessential,

Unparalleled in natures' bounty stands tall.
Euphoric in all its resplendent glory
Past and present for its rich history,
Eternity and beyond, its soul will forever
Move our hearts that we so much revere.

Abhar,
Voznadik Vojem
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What I appreciated most was the clarity. There is a certain other poet who
writes everyday, he is so confused that he cannot tell right from
wrong.this Pear (translate into Portuguese) could be a mature candidate
for a straight jacket.


We should met and strategize

[Goanet] Grandolfo In The Limbo of Quepem. Patient

[Adolfo Mascarenhas]

Hi Every One of You. I am so happy that the Interesting Debates such as Goan
Clubs, Anti Imperialism Stand and   Cornavirus 21 rages and there are
solutions galore, including stay indoors, indefinite closure of airports etc



I am still in the  LIMBO of QUEPEM . ..Since Good Friday my Computer
decided to have an Easter Break and collapsed .A Friend brought it back
about 15 hours

I am a very patient fellow just like the Biblical JobI take that back The
biblical Job was a terrible fellow, he curses everything and ends up
cursing right to the end.  Patient like the  Job of St James Gospel .   It
comes from the New Testament
 book
of James where, according(KJV), the author says, “Ye have heard of the
patience of Job” (Jas 5:11
).
Most biblical scholars agree that the Greek word (hupomone) translated by
the KJV as “patience” probably means something more like “endurance” or
even “persistence.” I am not a biblical Scholar I have to thank Prof Tod
Linafelt of George University.



So Grandolfo has used his time with the patience of the redefined Job and
collected evidence about being a Goan Christian The Politics pf Identity,
Rift and Synthesis.  The Book by Rev Victor Ferrao written about Eight
Years ago is a Masterpiece. Vivian no need for me to head a Commission.



The second was a richly pictured document on the Arusha Goan Association to
Commemorate their Platinium Jubilee.  The book should make us fail ashamed
about the way we ill treat fellow Goans including the Baker from the Island
of Pemba who generously offered his premises for Goans to meet, I am in
correspondence with Roland Travas who stays in Sangem.



Thirdly, there is a limit how much time you spend reading….so I have
started Gardening of healthy fruits to ancient plants like the cycad



Patient Grandolfo

Will  stayput in Quepem

[Goanet] Back to the Goan CLUBS Specifically ARUSHA

[Adolfo Mascarenhas]

So here I am reading the Platinum Jubilee Celebration of  the Goan
Association of Arusha .and most impressive there were messages from
Goan CLUBS  Mombasa, Tanga and Nairobi and etc .

 It clearly has pictures and illustrations galore .I was paying
attention because many of the children I had known including the Carneiro
Millenium Baby (who was just a few months old required an Ayah so her Goan
Mother could participate+

The Pictures show a certain Goan baker called TRAVAS from the island of
Pemba, uses his own house so that Goans could meet it functioned like
  the club.  Many years later proper premises were built. A Hindu. not a
Goan donated the land.

What audacity and pomposity that you exclude a TRAVAS. there is a whole
generation of TRAVAS. I am aware of a couple of them in Arusha. Yes they
are earning their living and are useful members of the city of Arusha them

Let me come to the Tanga Goan Celebration. We are sitting and here is this
pompous "Chaiman" comes to the tableand says that African are not
allowed.  I had to warn him. that if the Ayah was forced to leave the table
I would report him to the Local Authorities for discrimination against
Africans .
We should try to maintain our culture. Baby Millennium  elder sister aboy 9
years older, is fluent in Konkani and participates in Tiatre when they are
produced,

Long Live Progressive Goans.

[Goanet] My Invitation To Visit North Korea via Moscow

[Adolfo Mascarenhas]

The story I narrated about Grandfathers Kim's Birthday is absolutely  true.
It actually happenedthe American Visitor  were were not imaginary  in
my pokey little office on the ninth floor of the Arts & Social Science,
the Director of the  African Studies Centre, was now the Head of the
Rockefeller Foundation.

Now Mervyn , I believe your account of the visit to Moscow .Correct me
don't you have family connections ?...I was s bit skeptical about old Kim
having a great deal of fear of flying but having a whole bogey with Donkey.
Had Kim learnt to store cabbage during winter months buried in the  soil
until it ferments and turns mushy.. If he had followed his cousins in the
south the results would be his people would be equally clever..Instead of
SAMSUNG and all that they would have KIM ILL SINGA. You simply do not fool
around with Sikhs.\

  .
 Food matter REALLY ...you do not have to eat sorpatel. a Portuguese   dish
..Perhaps it does affect the brain..

Patient Adolfo
PS A few months ago it was found that donkeys were disappearing
right in Dodoma, the capital city of Tanzania, the Chinese had
constructed an abattoir.  One good thing about the Maasai is that the
Donkey is a beast of burden ...unlike other tribes where women carry water
on the head and a baby on the back...The Maasai women walk with the
doney loaded with two bags made of Goat skin, on either side of the Donkey.
Donkeys also carry grain10 or more miles.

[Goanet] Attending A Goan Gathering in Zanzibar ..Grandolfo Piloting a Plane

[Adolfo Mascarenhas]

I arrive at the DSM Airport to Fly for an East African Gathering taking
Place at the Spice (not Chilies) of Zanzibar. A Uniformed lady approaches
me and asks me whether I would like to leave on an earlier flight. I
readily agree. The Plane was on the runway...a 15 seater. The Air Hostess
takes me to the Co Pilots seat. I have been in the cockpit of a 737,
courtesy of a former student. ...all the way from Harare to DSM ...I loved
the the way the radar screen warning the pilot about turbulence etc flying
over the Rufiji River was an additional asset I looked back, there was a
Scandinavian blond and her pre-teenage son. ...Capitan Mapunda arrived and
took the pilots seat. ...went through the routine and my half steering
moved.  He then noticed that I had not buckled up.  These are not normal
...in case of a crash they make quite sure that you do injure your skull.
 He reaches out and helps me to buckle.

We take off and in less than 20 min we land in that wonderful  island.  The
Scandinavian safely in the ground approaches me and says in good  English

Have you flown a plane before ?

My reply:Oh I am an extreme faster leaner   I hope we meet on the flight to
Dsm in thre days time.

No comment...I was all prepared to Meet Goans, from Zeng, Dsm and
Mombasa

Grandolfo about to leave his Manor
PS...Nice diversion fro Goan Popes, Goan Clubs etc. Let me tell you
episodes of Flying in a Russian Plane over the Sahara, then another fro
mZurich to Australia when the Pilot pot it on an Auto

[Goanet] Chilli Shock in Quepem

[Adolfo Mascarenhas]

Yes all my friends In the soon to be an open Green Zone in the Context of
CONVIN Quepem  there is a real danger of fatal anaphylactic shock, As
several of you with medical degree know it could be a one way ticket.
How powerful is it ??? One drop of anaphylactic  in a semi tank of 1000
litres and you could taste it.

The danger comes from the culinary exuberance of the maid in the kitchen.
Everything from chicken curry, fish, marrow etc.

The maid is is Catholic Goan .dont''t rush to blame the Portuguese.  As
you all know the land of the  Portuguese was occupied by the Spaniards.
They had so many colonies in Latin America and ignorant of the hundred
types of this hot stuff,,the called it CHILI after the country and we ESG
call it the same.

>From the Monastery it reached Iran.the fact is that Chilies arrived
with the Portuguese.  The People of the  Indian subcontinent were oblivious
of
 this killing stuff.

My concern is that  anaphylactic  stops me from thinking straight Now
fellows this might be why I disturbed the hornets nest by raising the
matter of the Goan Pope.

Grandolfo

PS Chilli seeds can mutate a big chilli can mutate into a tini chilli.
Its main vale is an insecticide

[Goanet] Coopted Goan Pilots

[Adolfo Mascarenhas]

Mervyn Message: 4 Dated: Mon, 20 Apr 2020 03:27:00 + (UTC) on the Subject:
Re: [Goanet] Grandolfo Piloting a Plane
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you elaborated on your fabulous experiences in piloting a plane . By sheer
coincidence I was reading about the Pros and Cons of the STIGLERS GORGE
Dam.  I have never been to Stiglers. It is the largest Mangrove Swamp on
the Eastern Side of Africait could grow all the Paddy we needed,
indeed, the Germans had such a plan.Since the early 1970's when I
became director of the Bureau at the University...we have been drawing
attention to the need to research and use it sustain ably. Mwalimu &
Minister Al NoorSassum saw what we were aiming.

I have not been to Selous...but I got a big surprise how the local people
use micro knowledge to ride the flood. I was also conscious, right in Dar a
certain Greek lady was exporting Prawns by Swissair all the way to
Switzerland about three times a week.   The antidote to Poverty is
knowledge and education and not to assume that we know everything ...some
people still belived that tyhe world was flat, scared that they would fall
over ...

OK Mervyn...you were press ganged by your fisher friends to land. Let
me soon tell you  about falling over a mile on top of the Kilimanjaro or
how a Ethiopian Attendant in a Russian Tupolev  not only saw a new Menu but
my pompous friend from Kisumu had a rude awakening 

Time for me to explore which shops in Quepem are open
Grandolfo
In First Day of Green Zone Quepem

[Goanet] Invitation To Celebrate Kim The Birthday in 1970.

[Adolfo Mascarenhas]

As a Tanzania citizen I had just been appointed by the President Nyerere in
his capacity as Chancellor of the University.  Depleted of researcher the
main task ws to get Competent Staff.  I had an Egyptian, an East German, a
Swede and an Austrian Hydrologist with connections from Harvard University,
married to a rich South Indian Catholic with her Education in a Swiss
Finishing School. Both husband and wife were provocateur.  So here I am
apparently naive. The Austrian brought the delegation  of two North Koreans
to my office. One was a translator . They had an invitation for me. Their
Supreme Leader Kim was celebrating his Birthday. The Celebration  were for
six weeks. I would have to travel via Moscow. They would return in two
weeks to find the progress.

Six weeks of my time, when I had so much to do.  They arrived a fortnight
later. I nonchalantly told that that it was slow because my American
Professor from UCLA  and his team of 5 with the head of State Dept had
briefly seen me. Indeep I did not tell them that at least two of the older
fellows were dozing in my tiny office. I never saw the North Korean Again.

I have not been to Pyongyang or to Moscow.I am sure if I had gone   for
Kim the Elders Birthday Celebrationthey would taken part of my working
brain. I would no longer be a Goan but a Goaner.

Have a Good Easter
Adolfo

[Goanet] ABHAR Secret Admirer of Quepem

[Adolfo Mascarenhas]

--

Your Message on Sunday Subject: Re: [Goanet] Ghana and Goans
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I am a buff for history  as a preteenager on a holiday in Goa, when I saw
the two monuments in front of the palace I could not but admire the white
washed monument with the dateswhile the French were chopping the heads
of their Emperors and Empress here was an individual fostering education
etc.

Abhar if you are not a QuepemcarYou should be made an Honorary Fellow .
There is a lot to follow. on.

I hope we can meet. We will know next week.


Adolfo

[Goanet] GOAN CLUBS THE VIEW FROM MOSHI

[Adolfo Mascarenhas]

Tony Thanks a million for your Message: 5  Date: Mon, 6 Apr 2020 22:46:48
+0530  Mge-ID:  >From:
Tony de Sa 


Subject: [Goanet]  The Goan Club - East Africa


The same Goans so proud to be Western discriminate against fellow Goans in
this case because he was a Goan Hindu Police man .  I will leave the story
below xxx.


I want to write about  heroes in Moshi: both Goans and Non Goans:

1) The Shah family decided to employ handicapped  people to man the leather
goods factor...they made caps, calendars etc.


2) Have you heard of the Martin Family I meet them in Goa about 14 years
ago. Dom Martin is a great artist but also a poet. He is in defense of the
rights of the Palestinians.


Than you Tony .Your Perspectives stand not like some who pretend that
Goan Clubs make us Dark Skinned English


Regards

Adolfo



I can remember a peculiar situation in Moshi, then Tanganyika.

We had a club called the Goan Association and we were given a plot of land
for a clubhouse. We first had a wooden clubhouse which came down one day
and we had a new one built at the top of the property.

One fine day a Hindu Goan whose name was Molu Desai and was from Cuncolim
walks into the club demanding membership. The managing committee of the
club was in a tizzy. Such a situation had never happened. Most of our
community laboured under a delusion that all Goans were necessarily
Catholic.

Molu Dessai was reluctantly granted membership. But he also joined the
Hindu Gymkhana where he felt he was more welcome.

Molu Dessai worked for the Tanganyika Police.

Regards,



Tony de Sa  Technical Editor   ? Graphics  ? IT Stuff

[Goanet] PNEU MONO ULTR AMIC ROSP ICILI CONI OSIS

[Adolfo Mascarenhas]

Vivian I have no idea what made you think that I invented the word

PNEU MONO ULTR  AMIC ROSP ICILI CONI OSIS

To begin with, for the last week or more there have been no banana because
the women selling them are barred.  With a couple of Bananas at least three
times a day my brain has all the energy.

Now seriously, right in Moira there is a fellow who was over 106 years
old.  He served in Uganda.and must have eaten MATOKE The Bugandas
are the cleverest people in East Africa until Iddi de Amin was helped
by the British to overthrow  Obote.  A real idiot who helped to murder the
English languageBack to the individual from Moira, he was decorated by
the British full Military HonoursI saw the photo of soldiers..in an old
copy of the GOAN.

I must confess I had a problem...Did he eat bananas or PLANTAINS.  Big
difference. However I am told that if you eat too many plantains you can go
potty or even in DAFT.  Of course I do not believe this Therefore, in
DSM, where I succeeded in growing MKONO Ya TEMBO ( Elephants Snout: when
nthey were fried...I kept several portions in brandy.

Healthy stuff.keeps you from inventing words like
 PNEU MONO ULTR AMIC ROSP ICILI CONI OSIS

Adolfo
Recovering in Quepem

[Goanet] Entrance to Heaven or Hell

[Adolfo Mascarenhas]

In the message meant to be funny . Joao Barros Pereira  on  Thu, 2 Apr 2020
10:56:54 on the Subject :RE Goanet At the Gate Please To: goanet <
goanet@lists.goanet.org>
If the conditions to heaven or Hell You are are the same like Adhar Card or
Poder Passports  you are on extremely dangerous grounds Message:  It ceases
to be funny.
Of course its different if your friend is the one with a tail, stands
upright and sometimes even has horns .
Like a true Goan I prefer the fellow called Peter, who was once a
fisherman.and indeed his present successor is Pope Francis.
Peter the gatekeeper knows what we have donehe is aware of our good
deeds and sins.  Incidentally he will not ask if you are a christian,
Muslim or a Hindu Eskimo, Black, Green or your nationality.. From Ho Chi
Min to  New York all are welcome. There might be some who prefer the heat
of a place called HELL.

Adolfo
Still In Quepem
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[Goanet] GOAN CLUBS

[Adolfo Mascarenhas]

Cyprian
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0n Subject: [Goanet] The Goan Club



The subject is indeed complex.  The clubs did little in the real sense of
education.  They were social centres, proudly Goanish speaking “good
English” looking down on people who did not speak English (Mainly other
Asians but also including Goans who did not have to use English in their
professions.



What you describe about the British dictat that they did not want English
to be “riff-raffed “is my feeling that a British bureaucrat was having a
JEEVISH sense of humour. Most were there to exploit.  Do you realize that
there are more Indians speaking English than in England ! Remarkable
changes.   Penguin and other publishers would collapse without the Indian
market.



Goan tailors, carpenters etc had a tough time.  They were not accepted in
their bastions of Goaness “The Club” by whatever name Gymkhana, Club
….never KUDD !  The inferiority complex they instilled on marginalized
Goans lasted for Generation. In Dar to this day NF or his wife and daughter
will not step in the Goan Institute.  I have tried to persuade him but with
not much success.   The sad thing is that there are many many sons and
daughters of cooks, bakers and tailors who come to the club and care a dam
about primitive ideas.



We should be careful about generalizations. I have distant relatives in
Nairobi, both sons are doctors…one of them has a centre for helping the
Maasai in Kaijado on the Kenya/Tanzania border.



Very interesting in DSM, all the Goans restaurants which were started in
the 1990’s, 2010’s collapsed. The Chinese restaurants,KFC, Burger Joints,
SUBWAYS have increased. Cost of Franchise $20,000.  If you really want Goan
food, “Dorothy’s”, at the institute has everything from Sorpotel,  Bella
Gonsalves and her husband, caters for special occasions in the “Club”
Maggie and others have tried to encourage Konkoni…..the logistics are a
problem.  Come certain occasions and the Goans shine : skits, traditional
Goan dances(where do they store these clothes??!!). Play on plays on the
PAO bread seller and his bicycle.



All very good but forgotten so fast



My point ia that there is so much diversity, that its complex and we cannot
ignore the work of Selma, or yours, we need to “educate “ ourselves We
should be conscious of the work done by Dorothy, Bella, Maggie  …

Re: [Goanet] 'JEEVISH' ... (yr post on GoaNet)

[Adolfo Mascarenhas]

Patrice you are right, Jeves the Butler"  Yes, one has to be over careful.
Jeves was quite a character, I found in the British Council Library.  So I
go to Makerere  and here is this English lad, son of the School
Inspector.he told me that his favourite was Jam and sardine sandwich.
To me this was a Jeves monstrosity.  I hope that the Goa crowd understands
about Jews..I am proud that they were protected in Goa. I read the
Diary of Frank in Holland.

Grandolfo
In Quepem

On Sun, Apr 5, 2020 at 11:49 AM Patrice Riemens  wrote:

> Hi Adolfo,
>
> Just curious: did you put 'jeevish' (from 'Jeves the butler' I
> presume/d) in CAPS because otherwise people might over-read it and get
> it as 'jewish' - and then accuse you of ... etc.? As I said: just
> curious ...
>
> Ciao Ciao,
> Kia Kaha!
> p+2D!
>

[Goanet] Catching Crooks in Tanzania

[Adolfo Mascarenhas]

Oh yes there are revolutionaries and crooks even in Tanzania. Several Goans
were in the Police and even a trainer of Police.

Few will remember J. X Ferreira of the Identification Bureau in DSM.

I am also wondering whether there was another Goan, originally from Marqao
who also worked in the Police later s
he and his wife started an inter racial school Some did not like this
idea.

Adolfo

[Goanet] Ghana and Goans

[Adolfo Mascarenhas]

I went to Ghana a couple of times for meetings. Every time I left there was
a coup. The first time was a week after I returned from Ghana. My wife was
at the Airport to Congratulate me to have a douple promotion from a
Lecturer to  Associate Professor.

There is another Goan Connection.  A Dr  Bailon de Sa, with a Ph d in
Mathematical Physics  in University of Aachen  was the First Vice
Chancellor of the University of Cape Coast  under a UNESCO support.

Impressive.

Adolfo
In QUEPEM

[Goanet] GULAG & The NOBEL Prize for ACM

[Adolfo Mascarenhas]

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Subject: [Goanet] Quepem is Gulag of Goa





Abhar,

Just as I was about to explode, (remember that Nobel made his fortune in
explosives}.  There was a call from Mr. Collaso, who wanted to know what
supplies I wanted. My cousin who stays close by informed him about this
lock up: Off the cuff, I told him “Cheese, butter, sugar and bananas !



This morning, I could not believe it: a neat small parcel 3 varieties of
cheese, sugar flour..and the maid brought bird sized yellow bananas !!!



I am thoroughly energized after the bananas !  I can think about Alexander
Sol zhe nits yn

Indeed we all should appreciate  Alexander Solzhenitsyn courage and
fortitude.  Stalin was a tyrant of the same class like Hitler.  He was
internally banished to the Asiatic  Archipelago  called Gulag. He wrote and
wrote and with the relatively very reasonable Nikita Khrushchev he was able
to write and write and write as critically as before ; millions of
oppressed Russians realized the hell they went true under Stalin.  In a
sense many in the world are experiencing the same type of oppression.



First I am interested in using space to allow us to think
and be….

ethical: The space could be our Religion, the Rotary Clubs,
the

   Research Institutions etc.



You state that  Quepem was considered by many as the Gulag of Goa. It was
and still is unwanted appendage of Salcete.  I note the Past Tense
Quepem was desolate and unforgiving tract of land.



….Secondly, in 1949, my brother and myself walked with a Tom Boy cousin
all the way….

   from  Quepem to  Chandor where my aunt lived by the
river side. The terrain was rocky, …

   pastoralist in the past and tribals, in the not so
distant past, lived in this worthless land”……

   But change is inevitable  !. It takes place whether we
like it or not. Be prepared”



You state that many years ago, and still holds true *today it was no joy to
serve the local populace of Quepem. Many in the erstwhile Government and
till today consider a transfer to Quepem as the ultimate humiliation.



 Thirdly, you could be right but these guys need to
have their heads examined.  I was here

  during the Carnival one of my relatives was the
organizers, his son Dale  who was in JNU

… ….is now in Washington doing his Ph.d. He recentl wrote  critically
about CAA. My point is

   That it is our responsibility not to be observant
but express our opinion.



Quepem has much to offer.  The Great DEAO and his Palace and the Gardens,
…He started the village school, music, writing, the market and the church.
There are institutions like Quepem College.   They must liberate themselves
from their disciplinary boundaries.



Abhar, I am still wondering whether you were encouraging me to go for the
Nobel Prize.

Thank you cheering me about the Nobel Prize. However, being modest  I will
have to get a couple of plantains from Africa or go to Moira.



Grandolfo

In Quepem ….partly energized by fresh bananas

Vivian ...I value your response  I was aiming to get the Nobel for the
longest word. I did not invent it ...but a Nobel Prize on Quepem

[Goanet] Partition All Over Again

[Adolfo Mascarenhas]

In Message: 4   Date: Thu, 2 Apr 2020 15:57:04 +0530 yesterday  your piece
made me mad about how the Partition is horribly being made to repeat
itself  in 2020)

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I am mad perhaps influenced by two factors. A French author wrote 5 Minutes
to Midnight I happened to read it a very long time ago.


More important how hundreds of thousands of innocent people were  killed,
babies, young children, entire generations killed.


For me it was like a HORROR Movie .It seems its an not so subtle praise
of Hitler, Stalin


Perhaps their Greed for Power and Violence will make them commit suicide

Adolfo  .