KR> What are most KR-2's inside fuselage width?

[Randy Smith]

That's the way my wife and I looked with my KR2. After 1 of use put on weight 
?I had to by a bigger plane. The Kr then became a KR1. About landing on a grass 
strip. I did that on a 2500 foot strip for 10 years. Sometimes when the lake 
was up it would be 2200.? Airport is 30F look at google map. I had a tail wheel 
not nose gear and that will make a difference. I would come in at 5 mph over 
stall about 800 fpm and flare. stopped every time. I miss that plane. I now 
have Less Palmers KR and it is very heavy and is not as much fun. Poor thing 
has been sitting for 2 years and I hope after my engine rebuild on my 14-13-2 
Bellanca Cruiseair. I am going to spend some time on it and try to race it.  

On Saturday, November 5, 2016 9:53 PM, Mark Langford via KRnet  wrote:


 Rob Schmitt wrote:

 >It is definitely tight for two full sized adults.

I was looking for a photo I took at the KR Gathering in 2001, to 
illustrate how tight the KR2 (and KR2S) are if you build it per the 
plans.? Especially the KR2 with the bubble canopy, which forces both 
pilot and passenger to lean in a bit to dodge the edge of the bubble. 
That's easily dealt with solo, as you can just slide over a tad in the 
seat, although a center stick limits that.

See image below, which shows Rob Schmitt in the passenger seat of Terry 
Chizak's KR2, taken from above by some idiot hanging out the missing 
back door of Larry Flesner's Tripacer.? Also, note how "short-coupled" 
the KR2 is...the horizontal stabilizer is very close to the wing, hence 
the pitch sensitivity...

Mark Langford
ML at N56ML.com
http://www.n56ml.com


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KR> What are most KR-2's inside fuselage width?

[Mark Langford]

Rob Schmitt wrote:

 >It is definitely tight for two full sized adults.

I was looking for a photo I took at the KR Gathering in 2001, to 
illustrate how tight the KR2 (and KR2S) are if you build it per the 
plans.  Especially the KR2 with the bubble canopy, which forces both 
pilot and passenger to lean in a bit to dodge the edge of the bubble. 
That's easily dealt with solo, as you can just slide over a tad in the 
seat, although a center stick limits that.

See image below, which shows Rob Schmitt in the passenger seat of Terry 
Chizak's KR2, taken from above by some idiot hanging out the missing 
back door of Larry Flesner's Tripacer.  Also, note how "short-coupled" 
the KR2 is...the horizontal stabilizer is very close to the wing, hence 
the pitch sensitivity...

Mark Langford
ML at N56ML.com
http://www.n56ml.com

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KR> What are most KR-2's inside fuselage width?

[Sid Wood]

My stock plans-built KR-2 cockpit width is 34 inches inside rail to inside 
rail at the widest point.  Two 200-pound persons can fit with passenger left 
arm around my shoulder, but very uncomfortable to close the canopy.  Oh, now 
you want to fly like that?  Ain't gonna happen.  With me and full fuel, the 
payload is 84 pounds before going over gross.  Gross weight is computed by 
the FAA recommended standard weight procedure.  Had I known what that 34 
inches width would mean, I definitely would have widened the boat by 6 
inches and settled for a slower cruise speed.
If you are just starting out, I definitely recommend you buy the supplement 
and build the KR-2S.  Besides, the KR-2 plans, as is, have a flaw that can 
get you killed due to inherent aft CG.  The supplement does fix that.

Sid Wood
Tri-gear KR-2 N6242
Mechanicsville, MD, USA
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Subject: KR> What are most KR-2's inside fuselage width?
How many fly with a passenger?

I am new to the group and would like feedback.

Ryan

KR> What are most KR-2's inside fuselage width?

[Ryan]

I don't see a reply button for messages. 



Ryan 

N9099A KR-2

EAA-14 San Diego,CA.



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KR> What are most KR-2's inside fuselage width?

[Robert7721]

I fly with passengers regularly. I can handle a passenger up to 5' 10" and 200 
pounds based on my canopy size and how my C.G. worked out. It is definitely 
tight for two full sized adults. I do quite a few Young Eagles flights with her.


Rob Schmitt
N1852Z






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Subject: KR> What are most KR-2's inside fuselage width?

How many fly with a passenger?

I am new to the group and would like feedback.

Ryan



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KR> What are most KR-2's inside fuselage width?

[Mark Langford]

Ryan wrote:

 > I am new to the group and would like feedback.

I just measured N891JF, a very stock KR2.  Width at the shoulders 
(inside longeron to inside longeron)  is 33.25".  That's what counts, 
because that's where the circulation is cut off in your arms when 
another person is in the plane with you!  At the panel, it's 35.5" wide 
between the longerons, but that doesn't matter so much...you knees are 
much narrower than your shoulders (I'd hope).  Width where your butt 
sits (just above the bottom of the seat, and about three inches forward 
of the seat back) is about 32".

When I built N56ML (KR2S), I measured my wife and myself in a doorway, 
and we totaled 34", or about 17" each.  We are both quite thin, by 
today's standards, so I widened the plane about 2.5" at the shoulders.

One misconception is that the KR2S is wider than the KR2.  That's true 
at the firewall, but the cockpit is exactly the same as the KR2not 
wide enough!  I suspect this was to keep RR from having to develop an 
all new turtle deck, but I could be wrong.  It was definitely a mistake, 
IMHO.  It was the thing that needed widening most.  But it's easily done 
during construction as are other changes, unlike RV-type aluminum aircraft.

For more of this kind of opinion, see
http://www.n56ml.com/kopinion.html  ...

Mark Langford
ML at N56ML.com
http://www.n56ml.com

KR> What are most KR-2's inside fuselage width?

[Ryan]

How many fly with a passenger?

I am new to the group and would like feedback.

Ryan



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