Re: Should I upgrade to Ventura?

['Mary Ward' via MacVisionaries]

Is anybody else having trouble with random text not showing up in edit fields?  
I can be typing away, go back to proofread, and find that several letters are 
missing.  I know I typed them.  I was never aware of losing focus either, the 
text just disappears.  This did not happen before I installed Ventura.

The problem does not happen right after I reboot the computer, but if I leave 
it on for several hours, it will. It has happened in email, TextEdit, the 
calendar, and I believe in messages.



> On Oct 28, 2022, at 8:11 PM, 'Donna Goodin' via MacVisionaries 
>  wrote:
> 
> Hi Janina,
> 
> What you describe is exactly why I often wait till summer to upgrade.  It’s 
> so frustrating to be trying to get something done, and be bogged down by 
> Apple .  I really don’t think they get that we just need things to work.  
> They can introduce whatever new feature, but if you are a busy working 
> person, you don’t necessarily have hours to sit down and read about all the 
> commands that have changed, and the different ways you have to get things 
> done.  I’m not saying change is bad, but more and more I feel like I need to 
> take a few days off from life every time there’s an Apple upgrade, just so I 
> can read about how things work in the new OS.  I don’t have time for that.
> Cheers,
> Donna
> 
>> On Oct 28, 2022, at 6:42 PM, 'Janina Sajka' via MacVisionaries 
>>  wrote:
>> 
>> I'm rather wishing I'd waited. I'm upgraded yesterday, so have limited
>> experience. But I had issues just getting applications list to work as
>> expected under Finder today--right when I didn't need the headache of
>> systems not working as expected.
>> 
>> Then there are those wonderful notifications wanting to inform you of
>> all the marvelous new features, in Mail for instance. Well, I'd like to
>> read up on those, but I was in a hurry to click a particular Zoom link
>> that I knew was in my inbox today. So, as you can guess, reading up on
>> new features was not timely.
>> 
>> My very ancient, nearly ten year old Airbook had fewer issues (so far)
>> upgrading to the latest Big Sur. Fewer issues that is until I again
>> accidentally tripped Speech Off on the trackpad.  This is a
>> problem I encounter on that machine off and on. At the moment I don't
>> have a braille display to resolve things. But, I'm not sure I can blame
>> this on the Big Sur upgrade. Still, I wish I could turn that trackpad
>> off, as one can on Windows.
>> 
>> Best,
>> 
>> Janina
>> 
>> 'Donna Goodin' via MacVisionaries writes:
>>> Hi all,
>>> 
>>> As some of you may remember, I teach, so I am often hesitant to upgrade my 
>>> Mac during the academic year.  In addition, I did not have good experiences 
>>> with upgrades to IOS 16 or Watch 9, so I’m especially gun-shy about upgrade 
>>> to Ventura?  I know that everyone’s mileage may vary, but based on your 
>>> experiences thus far, should I upgrade or not?
>>> TIA,
>>> Donna.
>>> 
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Creating Commanders - Was: vo command to close an application?

[Bill Gallik]

I believe you are asking if there is a way to assign a key sequence to 
automatically launch a specific app.  For instance, I have a Commander using 
the “w” to launch MS-Word.  When I wish to use MS-Word I type in the key 
combination of  and the app is opened.  Now for some 
explanation (WARNING, this may turn into a dissertation):

If you are familiar with the VO Utility and Commanders, stop reading now!  Or, 
if you prefer, use the online help feature to familiarize yourself with the 
VoiceOver utility and creating Commanders.

First, to see the list of existing Commanders press  (yes, that is two 
h’s to press quickly in sequence while  is pressed), this will place you in 
a menu.  Arrow down in this menu until you get to “Keyboard Commanders.”  Then 
arrow right, you will find yourself in a list of existing Commanders; each line 
in this list will identify the function (i.e., open application), the app and 
the key combination to activate the Commander.  For example, in my list I would 
find “open application, Word, w

You can use  to get out of this.

Now to create a Commander:

1) Open the VO Utility (
2) You will find yourself in the “Utility Categories” table; arrow down until 
you observe “Commanders"
 3) At this point, arrow right whereupon you will be in a set of 3 options to 
select where the “hot key” will come from.  In my case I use the “w” from the 
keyboard so I select 
4)  and make sure the “Enable Keyboard Commander” checkbox is 
in fact checked.
5)  to the “Use” Pop-Up, activate and make your desired 
selection from the list.  In my case, I use the Right Option key.
6)  past the “Commanders Table” to the “Add” button and 
activate it.  This will place you in that “Commanders Table” where you will 
enter the desired key to use as the “Hot Key” (in my Word case, I’m using lower 
case “w”).
7) After entering the desired letter,  where you will find 
yourself in a menu and select “Custom Commands” and arrow right there.
8) Now you are in the “Actions Menu” and arrow”Open Application” should be the 
first option, select it.
9) By default, the above action will place you in the “Applications” folder 
where you may select the desired program or move to an alternative folder where 
the desired program has been installed.

Once you have selected the application to launch with the assigned “Hot Key” 
you can conveniently use that “Hot Key” to launch that application.

As I mentioned earlier, when I want to open Word I just enter 

NOTE: the identified letter is case dependent.  If I so choose, I could create 
a Commander using the upper case W, this would be different from the lower case 
“w” Commander.

HTH


- Bill from Ino, Wisconsin
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- "and his punishment is that he sees the dawn before the rest of the world."
- Oscar Wilde


> On Oct 28, 2022, at 7:42 PM, Karen Lewellen  wrote:
> 
> And is there any way to create a list of ones you use often to launch them 
> quickly?
> Understand that when on the menu bar the last application run is there, but 
> that is not what I mean.
> Thanks,
> Karen
> 
> 

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Re: vo command to close an application?

[Karen Lewellen]

Lets not go that far.
Still have a track pad moving me around with barely a breath laughs.
finally found a pair of headphones, but mercy the tutorial voice is 
something I wish I could change...still have lines from the system voice I 
do not understand either.
But I have the important answer here,  means to close a program if I get 
stuck.




On Fri, 28 Oct 2022, E.T. wrote:


  You will find most macOS commands listed in the menu bar.

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will make violent revolution inevitable."
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On 10/28/2022 6:02 PM, Karen Lewellen wrote:

 Perfect, thanks!



 On Fri, 28 Oct 2022, E.T. wrote:

>     There is no VO command, but the standard macOS command is Command 
>  Q.
> 
>  From E.T.'s Keyboard...

>  "Those who make peaceful revolution impossible
>  will make violent revolution inevitable."
>  --John F. Kennedy
>  My e-Mail:
>  ancient.ali...@icloud.com
> 
>  On 10/28/2022 5:42 PM, Karen Lewellen wrote:
> >   And is there any way to create a list of ones you use often to 
> >  launch them

> >   quickly?
> >   Understand that when on the menu bar the last application run is 
> >  there,

> >   but that is not what I mean.
> >   Thanks,
> >   Karen
> > 
> > 
> 
> 

Re: Should I upgrade to Ventura?

['Donna Goodin' via MacVisionaries]

Hi Janina,

What you describe is exactly why I often wait till summer to upgrade.  It’s so 
frustrating to be trying to get something done, and be bogged down by Apple 
.  I really don’t think they get that we just need things to work.  They 
can introduce whatever new feature, but if you are a busy working person, you 
don’t necessarily have hours to sit down and read about all the commands that 
have changed, and the different ways you have to get things done.  I’m not 
saying change is bad, but more and more I feel like I need to take a few days 
off from life every time there’s an Apple upgrade, just so I can read about how 
things work in the new OS.  I don’t have time for that.
Cheers,
Donna

> On Oct 28, 2022, at 6:42 PM, 'Janina Sajka' via MacVisionaries 
>  wrote:
> 
> I'm rather wishing I'd waited. I'm upgraded yesterday, so have limited
> experience. But I had issues just getting applications list to work as
> expected under Finder today--right when I didn't need the headache of
> systems not working as expected.
> 
> Then there are those wonderful notifications wanting to inform you of
> all the marvelous new features, in Mail for instance. Well, I'd like to
> read up on those, but I was in a hurry to click a particular Zoom link
> that I knew was in my inbox today. So, as you can guess, reading up on
> new features was not timely.
> 
> My very ancient, nearly ten year old Airbook had fewer issues (so far)
> upgrading to the latest Big Sur. Fewer issues that is until I again
> accidentally tripped Speech Off on the trackpad.  This is a
> problem I encounter on that machine off and on. At the moment I don't
> have a braille display to resolve things. But, I'm not sure I can blame
> this on the Big Sur upgrade. Still, I wish I could turn that trackpad
> off, as one can on Windows.
> 
> Best,
> 
> Janina
> 
> 'Donna Goodin' via MacVisionaries writes:
>> Hi all,
>> 
>> As some of you may remember, I teach, so I am often hesitant to upgrade my 
>> Mac during the academic year.  In addition, I did not have good experiences 
>> with upgrades to IOS 16 or Watch 9, so I’m especially gun-shy about upgrade 
>> to Ventura?  I know that everyone’s mileage may vary, but based on your 
>> experiences thus far, should I upgrade or not?
>> TIA,
>> Donna.
>> 
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Re: vo command to close an application?

['E.T.' via MacVisionaries]

   You will find most macOS commands listed in the menu bar.

From E.T.'s Keyboard...
"Those who make peaceful revolution impossible
will make violent revolution inevitable."
 --John F. Kennedy
My e-Mail:
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On 10/28/2022 6:02 PM, Karen Lewellen wrote:

Perfect, thanks!



On Fri, 28 Oct 2022, E.T. wrote:


   There is no VO command, but the standard macOS command is Command Q.

From E.T.'s Keyboard...
"Those who make peaceful revolution impossible
will make violent revolution inevitable."
--John F. Kennedy
My e-Mail:
ancient.ali...@icloud.com

On 10/28/2022 5:42 PM, Karen Lewellen wrote:
 And is there any way to create a list of ones you use often to 
launch them

 quickly?
 Understand that when on the menu bar the last application run is there,
 but that is not what I mean.
 Thanks,
 Karen







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Re: vo command to close an application?

[Karen Lewellen]

Perfect, thanks!



On Fri, 28 Oct 2022, E.T. wrote:


   There is no VO command, but the standard macOS command is Command Q.

From E.T.'s Keyboard...
"Those who make peaceful revolution impossible
will make violent revolution inevitable."
--John F. Kennedy
My e-Mail:
ancient.ali...@icloud.com

On 10/28/2022 5:42 PM, Karen Lewellen wrote:

 And is there any way to create a list of ones you use often to launch them
 quickly?
 Understand that when on the menu bar the last application run is there,
 but that is not what I mean.
 Thanks,
 Karen

Re: vo command to close an application?

['E.T.' via MacVisionaries]

   There is no VO command, but the standard macOS command is Command Q.

From E.T.'s Keyboard...
"Those who make peaceful revolution impossible
will make violent revolution inevitable."
 --John F. Kennedy
My e-Mail:
ancient.ali...@icloud.com

On 10/28/2022 5:42 PM, Karen Lewellen wrote:
And is there any way to create a list of ones you use often to launch 
them quickly?
Understand that when on the menu bar the last application run is there, 
but that is not what I mean.

Thanks,
Karen




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vo command to close an application?

[Karen Lewellen]

And is there any way to create a list of ones you use often to launch them 
quickly?
Understand that when on the menu bar the last application run is there, 
but that is not what I mean.

Thanks,
Karen

Re: Should I upgrade to Ventura?

['Janina Sajka' via MacVisionaries]

I'm rather wishing I'd waited. I'm upgraded yesterday, so have limited
experience. But I had issues just getting applications list to work as
expected under Finder today--right when I didn't need the headache of
systems not working as expected.

Then there are those wonderful notifications wanting to inform you of
all the marvelous new features, in Mail for instance. Well, I'd like to
read up on those, but I was in a hurry to click a particular Zoom link
that I knew was in my inbox today. So, as you can guess, reading up on
new features was not timely.

My very ancient, nearly ten year old Airbook had fewer issues (so far)
upgrading to the latest Big Sur. Fewer issues that is until I again
accidentally tripped Speech Off on the trackpad.  This is a
problem I encounter on that machine off and on. At the moment I don't
have a braille display to resolve things. But, I'm not sure I can blame
this on the Big Sur upgrade. Still, I wish I could turn that trackpad
off, as one can on Windows.

Best,

Janina

'Donna Goodin' via MacVisionaries writes:
> Hi all,
> 
> As some of you may remember, I teach, so I am often hesitant to upgrade my 
> Mac during the academic year.  In addition, I did not have good experiences 
> with upgrades to IOS 16 or Watch 9, so I’m especially gun-shy about upgrade 
> to Ventura?  I know that everyone’s mileage may vary, but based on your 
> experiences thus far, should I upgrade or not?
> TIA,
> Donna.
> 
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Re: Transferring data to new iMax

['Janina Sajka' via MacVisionaries]

Well, I want to agree with Brad and Jason. It's essentially what I'm
planning to do sometime next spring when the (hopefully) M3 laptops are
released.

I do have some caveats, however.

For instance this next time around I plan to rely a bit more on folders
even for grouping applications. I am slowly, ever so slowly learning to
use Native Instruments. But, I hate the way NI simply installed itself
at /Applications. I plan to push my reinstall of NI into a "Native
Instruments" folder just to help me manage things more efficiently. I'll
probably do something similar with all the Google docs I'll inevitably
also install.

What I'm unsure about is how to manage the sound fonts that I will be
adding. iCloud would be inefficient for those--yet that seems to be
where they ended up on the first go around (on my 2020 era Intel Mini).
One option I'm mulling is a fast external drive with 4, or maybe even
more Tb. That would keep those all important data files available to any
Mac I might use with NI--even the old Intel Mini!

The only remaining issue I see so far is how to bring over the various
specific configurations I have created over the years. Much as I would
like the ease of simply restoring them, I suspect the smarter move is to
simply accept the time commitment required to configure the new machine
app by app starting with some of the fundamentals like Internet
settings, then ssh (and related security).

Frankly I have not always done this, because it does take time. My three
current Linux machines all contain configurations copied across multiple
installs of multiple Linux versions going back a good 20 years. I'm
convinced some of the problems I have on those systems, while not
numerous, are nevertheless hidden somewhere in all those upgrades.

Best,

Janina

Bradford Snyder writes:
> I do the same.
> I believe a clean start is the best way to go.
> I also keep my important documents in iCloud, and once I sign into my Apple 
> ID account, all my stuff is there.
> I also use Dropbox, but that is mostly how I exchange files with various 
> groups with which I collaborate.
> Then, I install any applications I have previously purchased from the Mac 
> AppStore, and do a clean install of other applications I have acquired from 
> other sources. 
> One thing I never do, is set up a new Mac from a Time Machine backup.  I 
> believe doing this creates more problems than it solves.
> And absolutely never set up a new Mac with Apple Silicon, from a Time Machine 
> backup from an Intel Mac.
> Every person I have known to have done this, has rendered their new Mac 
> unusable, and ended up returning the new Mac to Apple.
> 
> - Brad -
> 
> 
> 
> On Oct 27, 2022, at 19:09, 'Jason White' via MacVisionaries 
>  wrote:
> 
> When I bought my 14-inch MacBook Pro, I started afresh. I copied over 
> important files, but I installed all of the software new.
> 
> > On Oct 27, 2022, at 18:28, Herbie Allen  wrote:
> > 
> > I would use a service like Dropbox or iCloud and store all your documents 
> > there. You could also use an external drive.
> > 
> >> On Oct 27, 2022, at 15:49, Agent086b  wrote:
> >> 
> >> Hi all,
> >> I am about to purchase a new iMac. Do I transfer stuff from my old one 
> >> using iTunes or is there a better way?
> >> Thanks as always for any advice.
> >> Max.
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Re: Transferring data to new iMax

[Agent086b]

Hi,
what is the simple assistant you refer to?
Max. 

> On 29 Oct 2022, at 5:28 am, Anders Holmberg  wrote:
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> Hi!
> THere is a simple assistant in the utilities folder on your Macs.
> Just use that and follow the instructions.
> Why complicate things when not needed.
> /A
> 
>> 28 okt. 2022 kl. 00:28 skrev Herbie Allen :
>> 
>> I would use a service like Dropbox or iCloud and store all your documents 
>> there. You could also use an external drive.
>> 
>>> On Oct 27, 2022, at 15:49, Agent086b  wrote:
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>>> I am about to purchase a new iMac. Do I transfer stuff from my old one 
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Re: Transferring data to new iMax

[Agent086b]

Hi,
how did you copy over the files you want? I don’t use Drop box ore have enough 
space in iCloud to use either of them.
Thanks again.
Max.

> On 28 Oct 2022, at 11:09 am, 'Jason White' via MacVisionaries 
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> When I bought my 14-inch MacBook Pro, I started afresh. I copied over 
> important files, but I installed all of the software new.
> 
>> On Oct 27, 2022, at 18:28, Herbie Allen  wrote:
>> 
>> I would use a service like Dropbox or iCloud and store all your documents 
>> there. You could also use an external drive.
>> 
>>> On Oct 27, 2022, at 15:49, Agent086b  wrote:
>>> 
>>> Hi all,
>>> I am about to purchase a new iMac. Do I transfer stuff from my old one 
>>> using iTunes or is there a better way?
>>> Thanks as always for any advice.
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Re: Should I upgrade to Ventura?

['Donna Goodin' via MacVisionaries]

Thanks, Matthew and everyone for your responses.  I have checked out that 
article, and I don’t see anything that would be a show stopper for me.  I think 
I will probably take the plunge on Sunday.
Cheers,
Donna

> On Oct 28, 2022, at 4:05 PM,  
>  wrote:
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> Donna,
> 
> Have you checked out the bugs found vintora article on applevis?  I have been 
> using iit since one of the betas and have not found any mager problems.  I 
> always do a clean refresh after any mager os upgrade which seems to help with 
> preventing problems.  In any event, I have a stable system here with a mac 
> mini 2018 intel machine.  Your milage may very on your system.
> 
> Matthew
> 
> 
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: 'Donna Goodin' via MacVisionaries  
> Sent: Friday, October 28, 2022 2:40 PM
> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: Should I upgrade to Ventura?
> 
> Well, at least you can get your own language.  I think if I had to pick, I 
> rather have my language than a second one. :) 
> 
> I have the link to the AppleVis guide to System Settings.  If I do upgrade, 
> I’m sure I’ll be checking that out in detail.
> Cheers,
> Donna
> 
>> On Oct 28, 2022, at 1:34 PM, Anders Holmberg  wrote:
>> 
>> Hi!
>> Well, its a good question.
>> For me seem to work quite good except from that I can not get English speech.
>> Only Swedish so far.
>> But I haven’t have time to check things out.
>> Maybe you should wait until the season is over.
>> So you could take time to learn the new system settings app.
>> Just one example that’s changed.
>> /A
>> 
>>> 28 okt. 2022 kl. 14:13 skrev 'Donna Goodin' via MacVisionaries 
>>> :
>>> 
>>> Hi all,
>>> 
>>> As some of you may remember, I teach, so I am often hesitant to upgrade my 
>>> Mac during the academic year.  In addition, I did not have good experiences 
>>> with upgrades to IOS 16 or Watch 9, so I’m especially gun-shy about upgrade 
>>> to Ventura?  I know that everyone’s mileage may vary, but based on your 
>>> experiences thus far, should I upgrade or not?
>>> TIA,
>>> Donna.
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RE: Should I upgrade to Ventura?

[ilovecountrymusic483]

Donna,

Have you checked out the bugs found vintora article on applevis?  I have been 
using iit since one of the betas and have not found any mager problems.  I 
always do a clean refresh after any mager os upgrade which seems to help with 
preventing problems.  In any event, I have a stable system here with a mac mini 
2018 intel machine.  Your milage may very on your system.

Matthew



-Original Message-
From: 'Donna Goodin' via MacVisionaries  
Sent: Friday, October 28, 2022 2:40 PM
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Should I upgrade to Ventura?

Well, at least you can get your own language.  I think if I had to pick, I 
rather have my language than a second one. :) 

I have the link to the AppleVis guide to System Settings.  If I do upgrade, I’m 
sure I’ll be checking that out in detail.
Cheers,
Donna

> On Oct 28, 2022, at 1:34 PM, Anders Holmberg  wrote:
> 
> Hi!
> Well, its a good question.
> For me seem to work quite good except from that I can not get English speech.
> Only Swedish so far.
> But I haven’t have time to check things out.
> Maybe you should wait until the season is over.
> So you could take time to learn the new system settings app.
> Just one example that’s changed.
> /A
> 
>> 28 okt. 2022 kl. 14:13 skrev 'Donna Goodin' via MacVisionaries 
>> :
>> 
>> Hi all,
>> 
>> As some of you may remember, I teach, so I am often hesitant to upgrade my 
>> Mac during the academic year.  In addition, I did not have good experiences 
>> with upgrades to IOS 16 or Watch 9, so I’m especially gun-shy about upgrade 
>> to Ventura?  I know that everyone’s mileage may vary, but based on your 
>> experiences thus far, should I upgrade or not?
>> TIA,
>> Donna.
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Re: Should I upgrade to Ventura?

['Donna Goodin' via MacVisionaries]

Hi Mickey,

I teach Spanish.  I don’t really use anything too unusual - Word, Mail, Safari, 
QuickTime and Amadeus Pro.  I guess what makes me hesitant is that I was really 
unhappy after upgrading my phone and my watch.  Basic things about using them 
with Voiceover were either broken, didn’t work as well, or had been modified in 
ways that I wasn’t able to do something that I used to do.  If it’s summertime, 
I’m in a much better position to ride those things out, without having to worry 
about accomplishing tasks quickly and efficiently.  All that said, most of 
what’s been posted on this list has been positive, so I’m tempted to go ahead 
and upgrade.  But I thought I’d ask directly before taking the plunge.
Cheers,
Donna

> On Oct 28, 2022, at 1:39 PM, Mickey Quenzer  wrote:
> 
> Hello Donna:
> What makes you hesitate about upgrading your Mac? 
> what subjects do you teach and what programs do you use? That might help us 
> figure out what would be best for you.
> 
> On Fri, Oct 28, 2022 at 1:35 PM Anders Holmberg  > wrote:
> Hi!
> Well, its a good question.
> For me seem to work quite good except from that I can not get English speech.
> Only Swedish so far.
> But I haven’t have time to check things out.
> Maybe you should wait until the season is over.
> So you could take time to learn the new system settings app.
> Just one example that’s changed.
> /A
> 
> > 28 okt. 2022 kl. 14:13 skrev 'Donna Goodin' via MacVisionaries 
> > mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com>>:
> > 
> > Hi all,
> > 
> > As some of you may remember, I teach, so I am often hesitant to upgrade my 
> > Mac during the academic year.  In addition, I did not have good experiences 
> > with upgrades to IOS 16 or Watch 9, so I’m especially gun-shy about upgrade 
> > to Ventura?  I know that everyone’s mileage may vary, but based on your 
> > experiences thus far, should I upgrade or not?
> > TIA,
> > Donna.
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Re: Should I upgrade to Ventura?

['Donna Goodin' via MacVisionaries]

Well, at least you can get your own language.  I think if I had to pick, I 
rather have my language than a second one. :) 

I have the link to the AppleVis guide to System Settings.  If I do upgrade, I’m 
sure I’ll be checking that out in detail.
Cheers,
Donna

> On Oct 28, 2022, at 1:34 PM, Anders Holmberg  wrote:
> 
> Hi!
> Well, its a good question.
> For me seem to work quite good except from that I can not get English speech.
> Only Swedish so far.
> But I haven’t have time to check things out.
> Maybe you should wait until the season is over.
> So you could take time to learn the new system settings app.
> Just one example that’s changed.
> /A
> 
>> 28 okt. 2022 kl. 14:13 skrev 'Donna Goodin' via MacVisionaries 
>> :
>> 
>> Hi all,
>> 
>> As some of you may remember, I teach, so I am often hesitant to upgrade my 
>> Mac during the academic year.  In addition, I did not have good experiences 
>> with upgrades to IOS 16 or Watch 9, so I’m especially gun-shy about upgrade 
>> to Ventura?  I know that everyone’s mileage may vary, but based on your 
>> experiences thus far, should I upgrade or not?
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Re: Should I upgrade to Ventura?

[Mickey Quenzer]

Hello Donna:
What makes you hesitate about upgrading your Mac?
what subjects do you teach and what programs do you use? That might help us
figure out what would be best for you.

On Fri, Oct 28, 2022 at 1:35 PM Anders Holmberg 
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> Hi!
> Well, its a good question.
> For me seem to work quite good except from that I can not get English
> speech.
> Only Swedish so far.
> But I haven’t have time to check things out.
> Maybe you should wait until the season is over.
> So you could take time to learn the new system settings app.
> Just one example that’s changed.
> /A
>
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> > Hi all,
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Re: Should I upgrade to Ventura?

[Anders Holmberg]

Hi!
Well, its a good question.
For me seem to work quite good except from that I can not get English speech.
Only Swedish so far.
But I haven’t have time to check things out.
Maybe you should wait until the season is over.
So you could take time to learn the new system settings app.
Just one example that’s changed.
/A

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> Hi all,
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> Mac during the academic year.  In addition, I did not have good experiences 
> with upgrades to IOS 16 or Watch 9, so I’m especially gun-shy about upgrade 
> to Ventura?  I know that everyone’s mileage may vary, but based on your 
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> TIA,
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Re: Transferring data to new iMax

[Anders Holmberg]

Hi!
THere is a simple assistant in the utilities folder on your Macs.
Just use that and follow the instructions.
Why complicate things when not needed.
/A

> 28 okt. 2022 kl. 00:28 skrev Herbie Allen :
> 
> I would use a service like Dropbox or iCloud and store all your documents 
> there. You could also use an external drive.
> 
>> On Oct 27, 2022, at 15:49, Agent086b  wrote:
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RE: Adjusting Stepper for Voice Rate

[Fazil M.]

Thanks much, Jerry, it, indeed, helped!

Now one more supplementary question:

The voice rate changes in the increment of five, Can I adjust it with some 
smaller increment, please?

Thanks!

 

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Subject: Re: Adjusting Stepper for Voice Rate

 

Hi Fazil you use VO command shift left and right arrow to find what you want 
then,  you use up and down arrows to adjust the rate pitch and Internation and 
so on. Hope that helps.  





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Hi, group.

How can I adjust stepper in Voiceover Utility to adjust Read’s voice rate, 
please?

I have MacbookPro2017 and Ventura.

Thanks!

 

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Re: Slides presentation and VoiceOver

[Julie Rattray]

Hi,

So you have two options for doing slides etc with the Mac:

You can use keynote - the Mac presenter application - I find it fairly easy to 
use and you can create slides and save the presentation fairly easily. The 
slide formatter area allows you to add slide transitions as well. Keynote also 
as the functionality to save as a ppt file just in case you are presenting 
using a different computer.

If you have office on your Mac then ppt is also very accessible and creating 
slides is usually straight forward. 

For both options you can either use a template presentation or create your won 
- the advantage of the templates is that they position the text on the slide 
where it needs to be etc.

I do however, still find that I get someone with vision to check over the 
presentation just to make sure it looks ok etc 

But using both keynote or ppt I am able to add images, text graphs to slides - 
I can also add hyperlinks to video if I want to use that.

One thing - and I need to check keynote again - ppt allows you to add a sound 
as part of the slide transition which is really useful when presenting with no 
vision as it lets you know the slide has changed. You can do this in keynote 
but it used to be more complicated - I will take a look to see if this has 
changed.

If you need any more specific information this is just quite general get back 
to me and I can see if I can help  

> On 28 Oct 2022, at 13:58, Lucas Gil Nadolskis  wrote:
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> Hello all.
> I will need to give a talk in couple of weeks where I will be required to use 
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Slides presentation and VoiceOver

[Lucas Gil Nadolskis]

Hello all.
I will need to give a talk in couple of weeks where I will be required to use 
slides.

I have never done such a thing using macOS, so I would be interested to hear 
people’s experience with both creating the slides and presenting them.

Thank you very much.

Kind regards.

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Re: Should I upgrade to Ventura?

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If you’re nervous about it, you can wait until 13.1 or so. But I’ve not found 
any show-stopping bugs.
Devin Prater
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Re: Should I upgrade to Ventura?

[alia robinson]

seems okay to me, much more responsive. speech is much faster across the board. 
I think you’ll be fine. 

Alia

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Good news for those who did not like the switch to percentages in Watch 9

['Donna Goodin' via MacVisionaries]

Hi all,

For those who shared my displeasure with the shift in Watch 9 to VO speaking 
percentages rather than numbers in the activity complication, that appears to 
have been fixed in 9.1.  I’m using the Modular face, so cannot speak for what 
happens with other watch faces.
Cheers,
Donna

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Should I upgrade to Ventura?

['Donna Goodin' via MacVisionaries]

Hi all,

As some of you may remember, I teach, so I am often hesitant to upgrade my Mac 
during the academic year.  In addition, I did not have good experiences with 
upgrades to IOS 16 or Watch 9, so I’m especially gun-shy about upgrade to 
Ventura?  I know that everyone’s mileage may vary, but based on your 
experiences thus far, should I upgrade or not?
TIA,
Donna.

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Re: Adjusting Stepper for Voice Rate

[Gerry Cook]

Hi Fazil you use VO command shift left and right arrow to find what you want 
then,  you use up and down arrows to adjust the rate pitch and Internation and 
so on. Hope that helps.  

> On 28 Oct 2022, at 5:20 pm, Fazil M.  wrote:
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> Hi, group.
> How can I adjust stepper in Voiceover Utility to adjust Read’s voice rate, 
> please?
> I have MacbookPro2017 and Ventura.
> Thanks!
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Adjusting Stepper for Voice Rate

[Fazil M.]

Hi, group.

How can I adjust stepper in Voiceover Utility to adjust Read's voice rate,
please?

I have MacbookPro2017 and Ventura.

Thanks!

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MS-Excel Keys - Was: MS-Word Shortcut Keys

[Bill Gallik]

Please pardon me, but in my immediately prior message I implied that I was 
using MS-Word, but in fact the app is MS-Excel.


* * * * * * * * * * * *
- Bill from Ino, Wisconsin
- "The early bird may get the worm,"
- "But the second mouse gets the cheese!"
- Contributor Unknown


> On Oct 28, 2022, at 12:59 AM, Bill Gallik  wrote:
> 
> I have a quite specific question and then a more general issue.
> 
> First, the specific question; in Word help I read that using the key sequence 
> <+> will insert the current time and/or time in the focussed cell.  
> I presume the cell must be formatted appropriately prior to deploying this 
> key sequence.  I did format the cell for date, but when I entered 
> <+> I got absolutely nothing. Can anybody offer some advice here?
> 
> Now, for the more general question; is there a quick and convenient way to 
> view a list of such key combinations? Activating help and searching for 
> specific such key combinations is quite tedious and I’d prefer to have a 
> simple list to reference.
> 
> 
> - Bill from Ino, Wisconsin
> - "A dreamer is one who can only find his way by moonlight,"
> - "and his punishment is that he sees the dawn before the rest of the world."
> - Oscar Wilde
> 
> 

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MS-Word Shortcut Keys

[Bill Gallik]

I have a quite specific question and then a more general issue.

First, the specific question; in Word help I read that using the key sequence 
<+> will insert the current time and/or time in the focussed cell.  I 
presume the cell must be formatted appropriately prior to deploying this key 
sequence.  I did format the cell for date, but when I entered <+> I 
got absolutely nothing. Can anybody offer some advice here?

Now, for the more general question; is there a quick and convenient way to view 
a list of such key combinations? Activating help and searching for specific 
such key combinations is quite tedious and I’d prefer to have a simple list to 
reference.


- Bill from Ino, Wisconsin
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- "and his punishment is that he sees the dawn before the rest of the world."
- Oscar Wilde


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