Re: [MBZ] BMW M

[LWB250]

Why would someone go to that much trouble and have such a crappy interior on 
the car?  Looking at the door panels you would think they ran out of money 
about the time they got around to the interior...

Dan

--- On Sat, 9/5/09, Thomas Savage  wrote:

> From: Thomas Savage 
> Subject: Re: [MBZ] BMW M
> To: "Mercedes Discussion List" 
> Date: Saturday, September 5, 2009, 10:21 PM
> Alex Chamberlain wrote:
> 
> > "Hydraulics cost money---how high pressure do you want
> to pump?"
> > Yeah, obviously, but I still want to know the
> details.  I wonder if
> > the car from which the engine was pulled (a late-model
> S-class,
> > presumably, but I don't know which chassis just by
> looking at the
> > engine) had SLS, and if so, if the SLS hydraulic pump
> was powerful
> > enough to run all the systems in the Grosser (windows,
> seats, locks,
> > automatic martini mixer, etc.).  Or did they
> figure out a way to run
> > the pump from the 600 engine with the new V12? 
> Since I bought my Euro
> > 126 project car with four-wheel SLS all this hydraulic
> stuff is
> > suddenly of great interest to me.
> 
> I don't know anything about W140 S600s or their hydraulics,
> but the W100 hydraulic pump is set up in tandem with the
> power steering pump.  That's it mounted on the right
> side of the v12, with the cooling fins on it. 
> http://img488.imageshack.us/img488/1518/68600pullmanengine7ht.jpg
> 
> The M100 has a big fluid reservoir alongside the
> pump.  That might be it on the left side of the
> firewall, though the original was black metal. The fluid
> that goes in it is $42 for 500mL.
> 
> So my uneducated guess is that it was just a matter of
> mounting a pump and rerouting lines.  That part was
> probably child's play for the mad scientist with the skills
> to undertake such a project.
> 
> Speaking of mad scientists, check this out: http://mbgrand600.com/Page80.html
> 
> Tom
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Re: [MBZ] BMW M

[Thomas Savage]

Alex Chamberlain wrote:


"Hydraulics cost money---how high pressure do you want to pump?"
Yeah, obviously, but I still want to know the details.  I wonder if
the car from which the engine was pulled (a late-model S-class,
presumably, but I don't know which chassis just by looking at the
engine) had SLS, and if so, if the SLS hydraulic pump was powerful
enough to run all the systems in the Grosser (windows, seats, locks,
automatic martini mixer, etc.).  Or did they figure out a way to run
the pump from the 600 engine with the new V12?  Since I bought my Euro
126 project car with four-wheel SLS all this hydraulic stuff is
suddenly of great interest to me.


I don't know anything about W140 S600s or their hydraulics, but the W100 
hydraulic pump is set up in tandem with the power steering pump.  That's 
it mounted on the right side of the v12, with the cooling fins on it. 
http://img488.imageshack.us/img488/1518/68600pullmanengine7ht.jpg


The M100 has a big fluid reservoir alongside the pump.  That might be it 
on the left side of the firewall, though the original was black metal. 
The fluid that goes in it is $42 for 500mL.


So my uneducated guess is that it was just a matter of mounting a pump 
and rerouting lines.  That part was probably child's play for the mad 
scientist with the skills to undertake such a project.


Speaking of mad scientists, check this out: 
http://mbgrand600.com/Page80.html


Tom

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Re: [MBZ] BMW M

[Alex Chamberlain]

On Fri, Sep 4, 2009 at 8:56 PM, Thomas Savage wrote:
> Alex Chamberlain wrote:
>
>> Hmm.  Wonder how they adapted all the hydraulics to the new engine?
>
> Easy, just use a stack of these:
> http://www.thesuccessfulsalon.com/images/euro500.jpg
>

"Hydraulics cost money---how high pressure do you want to pump?"
Yeah, obviously, but I still want to know the details.  I wonder if
the car from which the engine was pulled (a late-model S-class,
presumably, but I don't know which chassis just by looking at the
engine) had SLS, and if so, if the SLS hydraulic pump was powerful
enough to run all the systems in the Grosser (windows, seats, locks,
automatic martini mixer, etc.).  Or did they figure out a way to run
the pump from the 600 engine with the new V12?  Since I bought my Euro
126 project car with four-wheel SLS all this hydraulic stuff is
suddenly of great interest to me.

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Re: [MBZ] BMW M

[Thomas Savage]

Alex Chamberlain wrote:


Hmm.  Wonder how they adapted all the hydraulics to the new engine?


Easy, just use a stack of these:
http://www.thesuccessfulsalon.com/images/euro500.jpg

Tom

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Re: [MBZ] BMW M

[Alex Chamberlain]

On Tue, Sep 1, 2009 at 6:35 PM, Thomas Savage wrote:
> Alex Chamberlain wrote:
> It's like
>>
>> dropping a new Mercedes V12 in a 600 Grosser.
>
> Found one! http://img488.imageshack.us/img488/1518/68600pullmanengine7ht.jpg
>

Hmm.  Wonder how they adapted all the hydraulics to the new engine?

Alex

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Re: [MBZ] BMW M

[Ed Booher]

On Tue, Sep 1, 2009 at 9:35 PM, Thomas Savage  wrote:

> Alex Chamberlain wrote:
> It's like
>
>> dropping a new Mercedes V12 in a 600 Grosser.
>>
>
> Found one!
> http://img488.imageshack.us/img488/1518/68600pullmanengine7ht.jpg
>
> Tom


Oh Heck Yes! Time to drop that under the hood of my W110. Mmmm  V12
Finny!

EdB

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Re: [MBZ] BMW M

[Thomas Savage]

Alex Chamberlain wrote:
It's like

dropping a new Mercedes V12 in a 600 Grosser.


Found one! 
http://img488.imageshack.us/img488/1518/68600pullmanengine7ht.jpg


Tom

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Re: [MBZ] BMW M

[Alex Chamberlain]

On Tue, Sep 1, 2009 at 7:37 AM, Ed Booher wrote:
> You want to spend 17K on a BMW then you need this:
>
> http://jalopnik.com/5349440/how-to-build-a-500-hp-v10-e30-m3
>

Bah!  Humbug!  The people who did that should be horsewhipped.

Destroying a first-generation M3, one of the all-time classics of the
'80s!  Why couldn't they have used an ordinary E30 as a donor car, or
an E36 M3 (comparatively speaking far more plentiful)?  It's like
dropping a new Mercedes V12 in a 600 Grosser.

Alex

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Re: [MBZ] BMW M

[Ed Booher]

On Mon, Aug 31, 2009 at 5:51 PM,  wrote:

> > ...I can think of few better ways to invest $17K than this one, for
> > instance:
> > http://portland.craigslist.org/mlt/cto/134785.html..
>

You want to spend 17K on a BMW then you need this:

http://jalopnik.com/5349440/how-to-build-a-500-hp-v10-e30-m3

>From the article:
"Dropping the 500 HP S85 V10 from the E60
M5into the engine bay of an E30
M3  requires building an essentially
all-new chassis underneath the classic body. Here's how it's done."

EdB

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Re: [MBZ] BMW M

[Alex Chamberlain]

On Mon, Aug 31, 2009 at 4:03 PM, Mitch Haley wrote:
> For some reason, it seems to me that it wanted to be an XKE and failed.

Perhaps you were thinking of one XKE in particular?

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Re: [MBZ] BMW M

[E M]

Just right for a single guy and his dog.

Ed
300E

2009/8/31 Allan Streib 

> Can't say I'm crazy about this little car overall, but IMO the front end
> styling (hood, grille, headlights) of a BMW is just one of the best.
> Far better than anything MB has produced lately.  Their wheels are
> better looking too.
>
> relng...@aol.com writes:
>
> >> ...I can think of few better ways to invest $17K than this one, for
> >> instance:
> >> http://portland.craigslist.org/mlt/cto/134785.html..
> >>
> > That is a very well kept car and it's plain that it hasn't been detailed
> to
> > death just for the pictures. Too bad about the seat damage but it's
> > repairable. The wheels make the car.
> >
> > The seller's claim about the handling is not quite so, of course.
> >
> > RLE
>
> --
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Re: [MBZ] BMW M

[Mitch Haley]

Allan Streib wrote:

Can't say I'm crazy about this little car overall, but IMO the front end
styling (hood, grille, headlights) of a BMW is just one of the best.
Far better than anything MB has produced lately.  Their wheels are
better looking too.


For some reason, it seems to me that it wanted to be an XKE and failed. Too 
little hood aand too much cabin gives you a car that makes the four seater XKE 
look sporty.


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Re: [MBZ] BMW M

[Allan Streib]

Can't say I'm crazy about this little car overall, but IMO the front end
styling (hood, grille, headlights) of a BMW is just one of the best.
Far better than anything MB has produced lately.  Their wheels are
better looking too.

relng...@aol.com writes:

>> ...I can think of few better ways to invest $17K than this one, for 
>> instance:
>> http://portland.craigslist.org/mlt/cto/134785.html..
>> 
> That is a very well kept car and it's plain that it hasn't been detailed to 
> death just for the pictures. Too bad about the seat damage but it's 
> repairable. The wheels make the car.
>
> The seller's claim about the handling is not quite so, of course. 
>
> RLE

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Re: [MBZ] BMW M

[RELNGSON]

> ...I can think of few better ways to invest $17K than this one, for 
> instance:
> http://portland.craigslist.org/mlt/cto/134785.html..
> 
That is a very well kept car and it's plain that it hasn't been detailed to 
death just for the pictures. Too bad about the seat damage but it's 
repairable. The wheels make the car.

The seller's claim about the handling is not quite so, of course. 

RLE
> 
> 

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