[Phono-L] shipping cost tricks on eBay, and the tricksters who do them
I changed the subject line since this is how the conversation is drifting. And here's the full story. There are lots of folks on eBay now who put random shipping prices into their listings because of the restrictions eBay automatically imposes. For example, I always put $1 in there and clearly state in the listing that I'll get the actual shipping cost once we know the winner's location, and bill that amount. That's the fair thing to do. This guy said in his listing that he would ship it as cheaply as possible, but then also had $50 showing in the shipping slot. So all I did was politely enquire as to whether he wanted to quote actual shipping now that he knew my location. That could have worked in either direction, by the way. In return I got a rant about how he doesn't know how to pack and how he has UPS pack for him, and that he actually wouldn't ship it as cheaply as possible as stated in the listing, but for $50. I immediately went back to him agreeing to that (because it wasn't worth the quibble over a $10 overcharge), but asking him to please make sure the tip of the stylus was protected before handing it off to the random UPS folks. We all know how easily Columbia floating reproducers can bang into mandrels, but others don't. And I heard nothing back, even though I pinged him a couple more times. So I looked him up and phoned him, politely seeking to complete our contract. He cursed at me and hung up on me, but still got nothing via eBay from him. I went thru eBay to try to get him to complete the deal, but no luck - but did succeed in getting him a black mark. If I had paid, it would have been more severe and eBay would have paid me, then delisted him. But when he didn't respond I knew it was fishy, so I held up on the money, thank goodness. The transaction is STILL live now, btw...I could still send the money. Yeah, I was surprised at his seemingly good feedback, too. According to it, he's your standard A+ best ebayer ever! will do business again! which is so meaningful and special as we all know, right? -- Peter pjfra...@mac.com On Oct 9, 2011, at 9:42 PM, The Farmers g...@usfamily.net wrote: Yes, that does look like an exceptionally nice machine - wish I had seen it and bid on it! And I could have just picked it up here in Minneapolis since he offered free local pickup (ebay 370545662693). Somehow, when someone advertises right in the eBay ad what the shipping will cost, most buyers just figure that into their bid limit and so it makes no sense to question it AFTER you bid. It really makes no difference to your pocketbook to pay little for an item plus lots for shipping, or lots for the item and little for shipping - that used to be a way sellers lowered eBay final value fees until eBay started charging the fees on the shipping cost too. I just wonder about the problem since this seller had 2584 feedbacks with 100% good feedbacks over the past 12 months, until now. Looks like a good seller, except it certainly wasn't right for him to sell it elsewhere so quickly. Sorry, I don't have the reproducer or the machine you are looking for. -- Greg Farmer - Original Message - From: Peter Fraser pjfra...@mac.com To: Antique Phonograph List phono-l@oldcrank.org Sent: Sunday, October 09, 2011 10:27 PM Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Columbia B Eagle and/or Columbia floating cylinder reproducer wanted That's immaterial because you don't have the particulars, nor have you seen the communication. Too bad it turned out like this, but they turn up, and I'll certainly find one. His business practices and attitude were quite poor despite the best efforts of both me and eBay, so I thought I'd pass the warning along. I smelled a rat so held up payment, which was a real stroke of luck. -- Peter pjfra...@mac.com On Oct 9, 2011, at 6:44 PM, Vinyl Visions vinyl.visi...@live.com wrote: You won a nice original machine... original reproducer, original belt cover (which is usually missing), original patent disc (which is often missing and can cost $50 or more), original lid - overall nice machine - not bad for $368 and $50 shipping - I wouldn't ship one for less than $50, because of the inherent risk and required packing. I doubt that you will find one in that condition for less... From: pjfra...@mac.com Date: Sun, 9 Oct 2011 11:02:37 -0700 To: phono-l@oldcrank.org Subject: [Phono-L] Columbia B Eagle and/or Columbia floating cylinder reproducer wanted Hey gang - I'm looking for a Columbia model B Eagle graphophone, as well as a Columbia reproducer that is correct for an early (plain-case) Columbia AT. Any leads or offers? Thanks... I'm using the reproducer off my Q on the AT for now, but want it to have its own. And I won an Eagle on eBay last week, but the fraudster seller sold it out from under me when I tried to give him some safe shipping tips and
Re: [Phono-L] shipping cost tricks on eBay, and the tricksters who do them
Yes, it sure doesn't sound like the seller is trying to keep his customers satisfied. Too bad you missed out on a great looking phonograph. Actual shipping should be around $20-25 for a light-weight phonograph like that, and would probably be that much only because of the size of the box needed to protect that horn. In my opinion, getting it packed at UPS is for the seller's convenience and it always rubs me the wrong way to have to pay extra for that when I buy something. I would like to mention though that I've found eBay's shipping calculator to work quite well. When selling, I find an appropriate box and weigh it plus the item plus packing material, and enter that, along with measurements, into the listing, along with several options for shipping (parcel post, priority, etc). After it sells, eBay's invoice automatically will include the shipping costs for each shipping method to the buyers actual zip or country, and it seems to always be accurate. This makes sending out the invoice with correct shipping cost MUCH easier and quicker than manually figuring it out after the sale. Most buyers must be happy with this since my eBay feedback rating for shipping handling charges is now averaging 4.96 stars out of 5 possible. I think there's always that odd buyer who won't give sellers 5 stars because he thinks the post office is charging too much, even though that is out of our hands. -- Greg - Original Message - From: Peter Fraser pjfra...@mac.com To: Antique Phonograph List phono-l@oldcrank.org Sent: Monday, October 10, 2011 1:00 AM Subject: [Phono-L] shipping cost tricks on eBay,and the tricksters who do them I changed the subject line since this is how the conversation is drifting. And here's the full story. There are lots of folks on eBay now who put random shipping prices into their listings because of the restrictions eBay automatically imposes. For example, I always put $1 in there and clearly state in the listing that I'll get the actual shipping cost once we know the winner's location, and bill that amount. That's the fair thing to do. This guy said in his listing that he would ship it as cheaply as possible, but then also had $50 showing in the shipping slot. So all I did was politely enquire as to whether he wanted to quote actual shipping now that he knew my location. That could have worked in either direction, by the way. In return I got a rant about how he doesn't know how to pack and how he has UPS pack for him, and that he actually wouldn't ship it as cheaply as possible as stated in the listing, but for $50. I immediately went back to him agreeing to that (because it wasn't worth the quibble over a $10 overcharge), but asking him to please make sure the tip of the stylus was protected before handing it off to the random UPS folks. We all know how easily Columbia floating reproducers can bang into mandrels, but others don't. And I heard nothing back, even though I pinged him a couple more times. So I looked him up and phoned him, politely seeking to complete our contract. He cursed at me and hung up on me, but still got nothing via eBay from him. I went thru eBay to try to get him to complete the deal, but no luck - but did succeed in getting him a black mark. If I had paid, it would have been more severe and eBay would have paid me, then delisted him. But when he didn't respond I knew it was fishy, so I held up on the money, thank goodness. The transaction is STILL live now, btw...I could still send the money. Yeah, I was surprised at his seemingly good feedback, too. According to it, he's your standard A+ best ebayer ever! will do business again! which is so meaningful and special as we all know, right? -- Peter pjfra...@mac.com On Oct 9, 2011, at 9:42 PM, The Farmers g...@usfamily.net wrote: Yes, that does look like an exceptionally nice machine - wish I had seen it and bid on it! And I could have just picked it up here in Minneapolis since he offered free local pickup (ebay 370545662693). Somehow, when someone advertises right in the eBay ad what the shipping will cost, most buyers just figure that into their bid limit and so it makes no sense to question it AFTER you bid. It really makes no difference to your pocketbook to pay little for an item plus lots for shipping, or lots for the item and little for shipping - that used to be a way sellers lowered eBay final value fees until eBay started charging the fees on the shipping cost too. I just wonder about the problem since this seller had 2584 feedbacks with 100% good feedbacks over the past 12 months, until now. Looks like a good seller, except it certainly wasn't right for him to sell it elsewhere so quickly. Sorry, I don't have the reproducer or the machine you are looking for. -- Greg Farmer - Original Message - From: Peter Fraser pjfra...@mac.com To: Antique Phonograph List phono-l@oldcrank.org Sent:
Re: [Phono-L] shipping cost tricks on eBay, and the tricksters who do them
I must say that I can't agree with the opinion on the ebay shipping calculator - I find the shipping calculator to be quite faulty. I lost some money on a couple of shipments by trusting it. Ever since then I use my postal scale and USPS online, and the result is that the Priority Mail cost to ship is always quite different than the ebay calculator says! From: The Farmers g...@usfamily.net To: Antique Phonograph List phono-l@oldcrank.org Sent: Sunday, October 9, 2011 11:48 PM Subject: Re: [Phono-L] shipping cost tricks on eBay, and the tricksters who do them Yes, it sure doesn't sound like the seller is trying to keep his customers satisfied. Too bad you missed out on a great looking phonograph. Actual shipping should be around $20-25 for a light-weight phonograph like that, and would probably be that much only because of the size of the box needed to protect that horn. In my opinion, getting it packed at UPS is for the seller's convenience and it always rubs me the wrong way to have to pay extra for that when I buy something. I would like to mention though that I've found eBay's shipping calculator to work quite well. When selling, I find an appropriate box and weigh it plus the item plus packing material, and enter that, along with measurements, into the listing, along with several options for shipping (parcel post, priority, etc). After it sells, eBay's invoice automatically will include the shipping costs for each shipping method to the buyers actual zip or country, and it seems to always be accurate. This makes sending out the invoice with correct shipping cost MUCH easier and quicker than manually figuring it out after the sale. Most buyers must be happy with this since my eBay feedback rating for shipping handling charges is now averaging 4.96 stars out of 5 possible. I think there's always that odd buyer who won't give sellers 5 stars because he thinks the post office is charging too much, even though that is out of our hands. -- Greg - Original Message - From: Peter Fraser pjfra...@mac.com To: Antique Phonograph List phono-l@oldcrank.org Sent: Monday, October 10, 2011 1:00 AM Subject: [Phono-L] shipping cost tricks on eBay,and the tricksters who do them I changed the subject line since this is how the conversation is drifting. And here's the full story. There are lots of folks on eBay now who put random shipping prices into their listings because of the restrictions eBay automatically imposes. For example, I always put $1 in there and clearly state in the listing that I'll get the actual shipping cost once we know the winner's location, and bill that amount. That's the fair thing to do. This guy said in his listing that he would ship it as cheaply as possible, but then also had $50 showing in the shipping slot. So all I did was politely enquire as to whether he wanted to quote actual shipping now that he knew my location. That could have worked in either direction, by the way. In return I got a rant about how he doesn't know how to pack and how he has UPS pack for him, and that he actually wouldn't ship it as cheaply as possible as stated in the listing, but for $50. I immediately went back to him agreeing to that (because it wasn't worth the quibble over a $10 overcharge), but asking him to please make sure the tip of the stylus was protected before handing it off to the random UPS folks. We all know how easily Columbia floating reproducers can bang into mandrels, but others don't. And I heard nothing back, even though I pinged him a couple more times. So I looked him up and phoned him, politely seeking to complete our contract. He cursed at me and hung up on me, but still got nothing via eBay from him. I went thru eBay to try to get him to complete the deal, but no luck - but did succeed in getting him a black mark. If I had paid, it would have been more severe and eBay would have paid me, then delisted him. But when he didn't respond I knew it was fishy, so I held up on the money, thank goodness. The transaction is STILL live now, btw...I could still send the money. Yeah, I was surprised at his seemingly good feedback, too. According to it, he's your standard A+ best ebayer ever! will do business again! which is so meaningful and special as we all know, right? -- Peter pjfra...@mac.com On Oct 9, 2011, at 9:42 PM, The Farmers g...@usfamily.net wrote: Yes, that does look like an exceptionally nice machine - wish I had seen it and bid on it! And I could have just picked it up here in Minneapolis since he offered free local pickup (ebay 370545662693). Somehow, when someone advertises right in the eBay ad what the shipping will cost, most buyers just figure that into their bid limit and so it makes no sense to question it AFTER you bid. It really makes no difference to your pocketbook to pay little for an item plus
Re: [Phono-L] shipping cost tricks on eBay, and the tricksters who do them
Hmmm. I've had no problems. I just sold something tonight - weighs 8 pounds and goes in a 15 x 15 x 15 inch box. USPS site says Priority Mail from my zip to this zip would be $42.75 or $39.10 if paid online. eBay calculator said it would be $39.10 and put that in the invoice. Right on. Also just packed a 35 pound item going to Taiwan and now I just checked and see that the USPS site gives exactly the same cost that the eBay calculator put into that invoice. The only problem I have is now having to pay eBay a percentage on the shipping cost - that just doesn't seem fair and it causes me to lose quite a bit on the heavier items. The eBay calculator also shows me what the cost would be if I used any of the Regional Priority Mail cartons, whereas I don't see that on the USPS site. Sometimes using these cartons (have to order the cartons online from USPS) saves quite a bit and allows me to refund the buyer some postage. And, sometimes a buyer might pay for Parcel Post but if I see that a Regional Priority Mail carton is about the same price or even cheaper, I'll use that to provide faster delivery with free tracking. -- Greg - Original Message - From: john robles john9...@pacbell.net To: Antique Phonograph List phono-l@oldcrank.org Sent: Monday, October 10, 2011 2:31 AM Subject: Re: [Phono-L] shipping cost tricks on eBay,and the tricksters who do them I must say that I can't agree with the opinion on the ebay shipping calculator - I find the shipping calculator to be quite faulty. I lost some money on a couple of shipments by trusting it. Ever since then I use my postal scale and USPS online, and the result is that the Priority Mail cost to ship is always quite different than the ebay calculator says! From: The Farmers g...@usfamily.net To: Antique Phonograph List phono-l@oldcrank.org Sent: Sunday, October 9, 2011 11:48 PM Subject: Re: [Phono-L] shipping cost tricks on eBay, and the tricksters who do them Yes, it sure doesn't sound like the seller is trying to keep his customers satisfied. Too bad you missed out on a great looking phonograph. Actual shipping should be around $20-25 for a light-weight phonograph like that, and would probably be that much only because of the size of the box needed to protect that horn. In my opinion, getting it packed at UPS is for the seller's convenience and it always rubs me the wrong way to have to pay extra for that when I buy something. I would like to mention though that I've found eBay's shipping calculator to work quite well. When selling, I find an appropriate box and weigh it plus the item plus packing material, and enter that, along with measurements, into the listing, along with several options for shipping (parcel post, priority, etc). After it sells, eBay's invoice automatically will include the shipping costs for each shipping method to the buyers actual zip or country, and it seems to always be accurate. This makes sending out the invoice with correct shipping cost MUCH easier and quicker than manually figuring it out after the sale. Most buyers must be happy with this since my eBay feedback rating for shipping handling charges is now averaging 4.96 stars out of 5 possible. I think there's always that odd buyer who won't give sellers 5 stars because he thinks the post office is charging too much, even though that is out of our hands. -- Greg - Original Message - From: Peter Fraser pjfra...@mac.com To: Antique Phonograph List phono-l@oldcrank.org Sent: Monday, October 10, 2011 1:00 AM Subject: [Phono-L] shipping cost tricks on eBay,and the tricksters who do them I changed the subject line since this is how the conversation is drifting. And here's the full story. There are lots of folks on eBay now who put random shipping prices into their listings because of the restrictions eBay automatically imposes. For example, I always put $1 in there and clearly state in the listing that I'll get the actual shipping cost once we know the winner's location, and bill that amount. That's the fair thing to do. This guy said in his listing that he would ship it as cheaply as possible, but then also had $50 showing in the shipping slot. So all I did was politely enquire as to whether he wanted to quote actual shipping now that he knew my location. That could have worked in either direction, by the way. In return I got a rant about how he doesn't know how to pack and how he has UPS pack for him, and that he actually wouldn't ship it as cheaply as possible as stated in the listing, but for $50. I immediately went back to him agreeing to that (because it wasn't worth the quibble over a $10 overcharge), but asking him to please make sure the tip of the stylus was protected before handing it off to the random UPS folks. We all know how easily Columbia floating reproducers can bang into mandrels, but others don't. And I heard nothing back, even
Re: [Phono-L] shipping cost tricks on eBay, and the tricksters who do them
I don't know how this works with the new Ebay scheme but, especially with larger items, we (and our friends) have asked the seller to take the item to the UPS or Fedex store and we deal with the store directly for packing and/or shipping costs. There have been no problems so far, although I have to admit, we and our friend have not bought anything phono related on Ebay for quite some time. Jan On 2011-10-10, at 12:23 AM, john robles wrote: I must say that I can't agree with the opinion on the ebay shipping calculator - I find the shipping calculator to be quite faulty. I lost some money on a couple of shipments by trusting it. Ever since then I use my postal scale and USPS online, and the result is that the Priority Mail cost to ship is always quite different than the ebay calculator says! From: The Farmers g...@usfamily.net To: Antique Phonograph List phono-l@oldcrank.org Sent: Sunday, October 9, 2011 11:48 PM Subject: Re: [Phono-L] shipping cost tricks on eBay, and the tricksters who do them Yes, it sure doesn't sound like the seller is trying to keep his customers satisfied. Too bad you missed out on a great looking phonograph. Actual shipping should be around $20-25 for a light-weight phonograph like that, and would probably be that much only because of the size of the box needed to protect that horn. In my opinion, getting it packed at UPS is for the seller's convenience and it always rubs me the wrong way to have to pay extra for that when I buy something. I would like to mention though that I've found eBay's shipping calculator to work quite well. When selling, I find an appropriate box and weigh it plus the item plus packing material, and enter that, along with measurements, into the listing, along with several options for shipping (parcel post, priority, etc). After it sells, eBay's invoice automatically will include the shipping costs for each shipping method to the buyers actual zip or country, and it seems to always be accurate. This makes sending out the invoice with correct shipping cost MUCH easier and quicker than manually figuring it out after the sale. Most buyers must be happy with this since my eBay feedback rating for shipping handling charges is now averaging 4.96 stars out of 5 possible. I think there's always that odd buyer who won't give sellers 5 stars because he thinks the post office is charging too much, even though that is out of our hands. -- Greg - Original Message - From: Peter Fraser pjfra...@mac.com To: Antique Phonograph List phono-l@oldcrank.org Sent: Monday, October 10, 2011 1:00 AM Subject: [Phono-L] shipping cost tricks on eBay,and the tricksters who do them I changed the subject line since this is how the conversation is drifting. And here's the full story. There are lots of folks on eBay now who put random shipping prices into their listings because of the restrictions eBay automatically imposes. For example, I always put $1 in there and clearly state in the listing that I'll get the actual shipping cost once we know the winner's location, and bill that amount. That's the fair thing to do. This guy said in his listing that he would ship it as cheaply as possible, but then also had $50 showing in the shipping slot. So all I did was politely enquire as to whether he wanted to quote actual shipping now that he knew my location. That could have worked in either direction, by the way. In return I got a rant about how he doesn't know how to pack and how he has UPS pack for him, and that he actually wouldn't ship it as cheaply as possible as stated in the listing, but for $50. I immediately went back to him agreeing to that (because it wasn't worth the quibble over a $10 overcharge), but asking him to please make sure the tip of the stylus was protected before handing it off to the random UPS folks. We all know how easily Columbia floating reproducers can bang into mandrels, but others don't. And I heard nothing back, even though I pinged him a couple more times. So I looked him up and phoned him, politely seeking to complete our contract. He cursed at me and hung up on me, but still got nothing via eBay from him. I went thru eBay to try to get him to complete the deal, but no luck - but did succeed in getting him a black mark. If I had paid, it would have been more severe and eBay would have paid me, then delisted him. But when he didn't respond I knew it was fishy, so I held up on the money, thank goodness. The transaction is STILL live now, btw...I could still send the money. Yeah, I was surprised at his seemingly good feedback, too. According to it, he's your standard A+ best ebayer ever! will do business again! which is so meaningful and special as we all know, right? -- Peter pjfra...@mac.com On Oct 9, 2011, at 9:42 PM, The Farmers
[Phono-L] converting an Amberola 30 to using a Amberola 50 mechanism
Phono Folks: I have heard in the past that one can take an Edison Amberola 50 mechanism and drop it in an Amberola 30 case with no problem, and have a machine (sort of a hotrod which has the attributes' of the longer playing 50 in a smaller case. Is this so? What modifications if any, is needed to do this? Discussion regarding this matter would be appreciated. later Bob ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.org
Re: [Phono-L] converting an Amberola 30 to using a Amberola 50 mechanism
My understanding is you don't even need to swap mechanisms, you can install a second spring barrel in a model 30 and have the same result. Bill On Oct 10, 2011, at 11:59 AM, Bob Maffit wrote: Phono Folks: I have heard in the past that one can take an Edison Amberola 50 mechanism and drop it in an Amberola 30 case with no problem, and have a machine (sort of a hotrod which has the attributes' of the longer playing 50 in a smaller case. Is this so? What modifications if any, is needed to do this? Discussion regarding this matter would be appreciated. later Bob ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.org
Re: [Phono-L] converting an Amberola 30 to using a Amberola 50 mechanism
All you have to do is you have both mechanisms complete is the let the motor wind down and move the 50 spring barrels over to the 30 and the 30 to the 50. You will have to move the hook that holds the spring as the extra barrel is in the way, see below for more info. If you drop the complete 50 mechanism in a 30 you will need to relocate the hook holding the spring that goes from the horn to the motorboard. Most boards are drilled universal so you can do this with no problem and you can make a 30 a double spring motor if you put the springs barrels from a 50 on the 30 board. Make sure the rubber hose that covers the lug is there to insulate against motor noise. I repaired a 30 with a broken motor board by placing a 50 mechanism in it, you will want to change the ID plate as well, I think I still have brass nails for the ID plate transfer. Steve From: maff...@bresnan.net To: phono-l@oldcrank.org Date: Mon, 10 Oct 2011 10:59:05 -0600 Subject: [Phono-L] converting an Amberola 30 to using a Amberola 50 mechanism Phono Folks: I have heard in the past that one can take an Edison Amberola 50 mechanism and drop it in an Amberola 30 case with no problem, and have a machine (sort of a hotrod which has the attributes' of the longer playing 50 in a smaller case. Is this so? What modifications if any, is needed to do this? Discussion regarding this matter would be appreciated. later Bob ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.org
Re: [Phono-L] converting an Amberola 30 to using a Amberola 50 mechanism
The spring barrels come as a set so you have to swap the barrel(s) and the winder. The single spring winder has 4 screws the double has 2 screws and most boards are dilled universal. You still have to swap the hook that holds the spring that goes from the horn to the motor board. The DD motors are the same with the exception of the spring which the DD motor does not have so you can make a single spring motor a double, even some Edison machines are found with double springs when the came with singles. Steve From: b...@taney.com Date: Mon, 10 Oct 2011 12:18:41 -0500 To: phono-l@oldcrank.org Subject: Re: [Phono-L] converting an Amberola 30 to using a Amberola 50 mechanism My understanding is you don't even need to swap mechanisms, you can install a second spring barrel in a model 30 and have the same result. Bill On Oct 10, 2011, at 11:59 AM, Bob Maffit wrote: Phono Folks: I have heard in the past that one can take an Edison Amberola 50 mechanism and drop it in an Amberola 30 case with no problem, and have a machine (sort of a hotrod which has the attributes' of the longer playing 50 in a smaller case. Is this so? What modifications if any, is needed to do this? Discussion regarding this matter would be appreciated. later Bob ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.org
Re: [Phono-L] converting an Amberola 30 to using a Amberola 50 mechanism
Steve: Thanks Bob -Original Message- From: phono-l-boun...@oldcrank.org [mailto:phono-l-boun...@oldcrank.org] On Behalf Of Steven Medved Sent: Monday, October 10, 2011 1:38 PM To: phono-l@oldcrank.org Subject: Re: [Phono-L] converting an Amberola 30 to using a Amberola 50 mechanism You cannot use two 30 barrels as the 50 barrels come as an assembly and you need the 50 winder. The springs are the same, but the double spring 50 and the double spring DD barrels come as one unit and that one 50 unit cannot be made from two 30 barrels. Steve From: maff...@bresnan.net To: phono-l@oldcrank.org Date: Mon, 10 Oct 2011 12:36:33 -0600 Subject: Re: [Phono-L] converting an Amberola 30 to using a Amberola 50 mechanism Steven: Would using 2 Amberola 30 Spring Barrels be the same as the 50 spring barrels? If not what would be the problem what changes or modifications would be needed other than adding the 2 screw winder to accommodate the space change from 1 to 2 barrels? Later Bob -Original Message- From: phono-l-boun...@oldcrank.org [mailto:phono-l-boun...@oldcrank.org] On Behalf Of Steven Medved Sent: Monday, October 10, 2011 11:48 AM To: phono-l@oldcrank.org Subject: Re: [Phono-L] converting an Amberola 30 to using a Amberola 50 mechanism The spring barrels come as a set so you have to swap the barrel(s) and the winder. The single spring winder has 4 screws the double has 2 screws and most boards are dilled universal. You still have to swap the hook that holds the spring that goes from the horn to the motor board. The DD motors are the same with the exception of the spring which the DD motor does not have so you can make a single spring motor a double, even some Edison machines are found with double springs when the came with singles. Steve From: b...@taney.com Date: Mon, 10 Oct 2011 12:18:41 -0500 To: phono-l@oldcrank.org Subject: Re: [Phono-L] converting an Amberola 30 to using a Amberola 50 mechanism My understanding is you don't even need to swap mechanisms, you can install a second spring barrel in a model 30 and have the same result. Bill On Oct 10, 2011, at 11:59 AM, Bob Maffit wrote: Phono Folks: I have heard in the past that one can take an Edison Amberola 50 mechanism and drop it in an Amberola 30 case with no problem, and have a machine (sort of a hotrod which has the attributes' of the longer playing 50 in a smaller case. Is this so? What modifications if any, is needed to do this? Discussion regarding this matter would be appreciated. later Bob ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.org
[Phono-L] Grille for Edison A-250
Does anyone have the link for the supplier who makes and sell good quality reproduction grilles for an Edison A-250 Disc Phonograph ? I can't seem to locate it on line. Thanks in advance for any help that is forthcoming. Bruce ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.org
Re: [Phono-L] Grille for Edison A-250
It's Brian Krapes. http://www.z50partsandphonographspecialty.com/Order_Forms.html Date: Mon, 10 Oct 2011 23:03:24 + From: bruce78...@comcast.net To: Phono-L@oldcrank.org Subject: [Phono-L] Grille for Edison A-250 Does anyone have the link for the supplier who makes and sell good quality reproduction grilles for an Edison A-250 Disc Phonograph ? I can't seem to locate it on line. Thanks in advance for any help that is forthcoming. Bruce ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.org
Re: [Phono-L] Grille for Edison A-250
Bruce Try Tom Rutkowski at gril...@gmail.com he also has a webb site at www.grampstreasures.com. He has made me several grills including , 1A/DD250 in quartered oak and a puritian curved both way quatered oak. They are perfect and you can not tell from original whne refinished. I highly recommend him. brice From: bruce78...@comcast.net bruce78...@comcast.net To: Phono-L Phono-L@oldcrank.org Sent: Monday, October 10, 2011 5:03 PM Subject: [Phono-L] Grille for Edison A-250 Does anyone have the link for the supplier who makes and sell good quality reproduction grilles for an Edison A-250 Disc Phonograph ? I can't seem to locate it on line. Thanks in advance for any help that is forthcoming. Bruce ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.org
Re: [Phono-L] Grille for Edison A-250
That's the fellow. That website has been discontinued, but I sent him an email inquiry and hopefully he is still in business. Bruce - Original Message - From: brice paris antqf...@yahoo.com To: Antique Phonograph List phono-l@oldcrank.org Sent: Monday, October 10, 2011 9:15:23 PM Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Grille for Edison A-250 Bruce Try Tom Rutkowski at gril...@gmail.com he also has a webb site at www.grampstreasures.com. He has made me several grills including , 1A/DD250 in quartered oak and a puritian curved both way quatered oak. They are perfect and you can not tell from original whne refinished. I highly recommend him. brice From: bruce78...@comcast.net bruce78...@comcast.net To: Phono-L Phono-L@oldcrank.org Sent: Monday, October 10, 2011 5:03 PM Subject: [Phono-L] Grille for Edison A-250 Does anyone have the link for the supplier who makes and sell good quality reproduction grilles for an Edison A-250 Disc Phonograph ? I can't seem to locate it on line. Thanks in advance for any help that is forthcoming. Bruce ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.org
Re: [Phono-L] Victor III is Working! Thank you!
The machine is great... but the music leaves a little to be desired. Try some 20's Jazz or Blues. Coon Sanders or Irving Aaronson and his Commanders would be great or even some Helen Kane (Betty Boop) to liven things up. Check out RedHotJazz.com for some ideas... Just a suggestion - everyone has different tastes. Date: Mon, 10 Oct 2011 17:06:37 -0700 From: riccib...@yahoo.com To: phono-l@oldcrank.org Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Victor III is Working! Thank you! Hello Everyone, Thank you again for helping us to solve our motor issue and for all the comments about whether or not to restore our Victor II. It looks like we will take our time searching for parts and restore the II. We will let you all know how it comes out. The Victor III was our first outside horn Victor machine so we are so happy to have it working. There is an old repair to the spear tip oak horn that we will need to deal with and we would like to have the tone arm re-plated but for now we are just happy to hear it play! :) Below are links to a video of our now working Victor III and our Home Model D with wood grained metal cygnet playing our first ever royal purple cylinder. Thank you again for all of your help! Melissa Victor III http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rHjh_Xfw1n0 Home Model D http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0lADxtbyrJY --- On Sun, 10/9/11, Vinyl Visions vinyl.visi...@live.com wrote: From: Vinyl Visions vinyl.visi...@live.com Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Victor III is Working! Thank you! To: phono-l@oldcrank.org Date: Sunday, October 9, 2011, 9:49 PM You should be able to find the parts to complete it for several hundred dollars. Since you only have $75 in it... I would restore it - it's definitely worth more than the parts should cost and a Vic II is a great machine. Date: Sat, 8 Oct 2011 16:37:47 -0700 From: riccib...@yahoo.com To: phono-l@oldcrank.org Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Victor III is Working! Thank you! Hello Everyone, Thank you so much for the outpouring of support last weekend when our new Victor III motor was giving us so much trouble! We went to an antiques auction last Monday and won a very poor Victor II for only $75.00. We replaced our Victor III drive gear with the one on the Victor II and presto! It turns out we have a bad drive gear on the Victor III!! It now works like a charm! Many people guessed that the gear was maybe an older replacement part or poor reproduction and it turns out that is most likely the case! The wooden horn sounds fantastic and it is so loud! I am going to post a video of it playing tomorrow. The Victor II needs a new tone arm, back bracket, crank, connector for the horn and now a new drive gear in order to be restored. The case is okay and since we only paid $75.00 for it, we are tempted to put the work and parts into it to get it running again. Do you think it is worth fixing up or are the parts going to cost more than it is worth eventually? Your opinions are greatly appreciated. Thank you again for all the help and advice! Melissa --- On Mon, 10/3/11, Melissa Ricci riccib...@yahoo.com wrote: From: Melissa Ricci riccib...@yahoo.com Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Clarification of Victor III Motor Question To: Antique Phonograph List phono-l@oldcrank.org Date: Monday, October 3, 2011, 12:00 PM Hello Everyone, First let me say that I truly appreciate all the great suggestions and help offered for our problem. I am writing this to everyone because I have received these same suggestions from many, many people. So I would like to clarify what we have already tried. We have already: 1. Adjusted the drive gear up and down (above, below and on the center of the worm gear) to try to get it to mesh with the governor worm gear better. 2. Made sure that no set screws or parts of the governor are hitting anything when in operation. 3. Made sure the ball bearing is present in it's spot. 4. Turned the drive gear upside down. 5. All part are clean, lubricated and move freely with no friction until the drive gear is mated with the governor worm gear. I hope this helps. Thank you again for all the suggestions. Please keep them coming! If you have an idea, we would love to hear it. We are going to look at it more when we get home from work this evening. Thank you, Melissa --- On Mon, 10/3/11, tuban...@aol.com tuban...@aol.com wrote: From: tuban...@aol.com tuban...@aol.com Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Victor III Motor Question To: phono-l@oldcrank.org Date: Monday, October 3, 2011, 11:02 AM Get or borrow an adjustable strobe light to visually freeze the parts at the time of the click. I have solved a few hard ones like this with a strobe. Don In a message dated 10/3/2011 8:48:07 A.M. Central Daylight Time, lhera...@bu.edu writes: And/or does the bull gear and spring
