Re: FW: [QUAD-L] sore advice and pressure relief.
http://www.therohogroup.com/proper_adjustment.jsp Eric W Rudd c5sc...@gmail.com - Original Message - From: Quadius To: dav...@aol.com Cc: quad-list@eskimo.com Sent: Tuesday, December 16, 2008 5:11 PM Subject: Re: FW: [QUAD-L] sore advice and pressure relief. My original cushion (13 years old now) is still my favorite one, but we have to fill it with air every day and allow it to go back to room level. I received a new high profile Roho a while ago and simply tried to put air in it and then let it get to where it was room level. It just did not have the same amount of air as the older model. Even though it's the exact same model, I sit significantly lower than I do in the older one. I have had a hard time getting the newer cushion properly adjusted. I thought I had it and then I decided to let out a little more air. Unfortunately my legs started to splay too much and this tells me that the condition is improperly inflated. Does anyone know where the website is that demonstrates how to properly inflated these things? Quadius On Thu, Dec 11, 2008 at 11:16 AM, wrote: cushion cover size makes a BIG difference. a smaller (tighter) cover allows you to have less air in the cushion. proper inflation for a roho is to blow it up and let it sit open valve to room pressure. then cork it up and put into a cover that allows you to sink in but not bottom out. I've never had a pressure sore from sitting on a roho. AZDAVE Take the world in a love embrace Fire all of your guns at once And explode into space DAVEOCONNELL.COM In a message dated 12/11/2008 8:10:47 A.M. US Mountain Standard Time, d...@unh.edu writes: What do you mean by 'a smaller cushion cover'? And why do you suppose that would matter? Dan whose intrigued. At 10:09 PM 12/10/2008, Merrill said something that elicited my response: Years ago I had sores more often than not using the High Profile Roho regardless of weight shifts. Several years ago by accident I began using a smaller cushion cover. Since that day inflation does not need be perfect nor are pressure shifts even necessary regardless how long I am up. Merrill From: William Willis [ mailto:lwillis82...@msn.com] Sent: Tuesday, December 09, 2008 6:09 PM To: quad-list@eskimo.com Subject: FW: [QUAD-L] sore advice and pressure relief. i've been trying to heal a sore while sitting on a roho for over a year now. I get one healed and anothr develops. Its very depressing and frustrating. I was having pretty good luck until my tilt chair died. Now i can't relieve pressure and things aren't going as well. I visit a wound clinic once a week and have done so since june 2007 Date: Mon, 8 Dec 2008 19:27:06 -0800 From: imwheelin1...@yahoo.com Subject: Re: [QUAD-L] sore advice and pressure relief. To: r.pra...@sbcglobal.net; ddh...@sbcglobal.net; quad-list@eskimo.com I think you'll be ok now that your cushion is properly inflated. I had a sore that I got in rehab over the summer heal while sitting on my roho after they got me on an air mattress at night. Its the other sore that got infected and lead to another surgery in almost the same place as the sore I got fixed last year. When I met with the wheelchair dealer for a new chair, he said that he has seen people heal on a roho cushion. As long as it has the proper amount of air in it and pressure relief is being done. Speaking of pressure relief, since I got this surgery fusing my back even more, I am not longer able to get any sort of shoulder deppresion that leaves me unable to get my butt off of the surface. I lean now. I haven't gotten any new breakdown since the episode over the summer but am curious how you all do your pressure relief. Stacy From: RONALD L PRACHT To: ddh...@sbcglobal.net; quad-list@eskimo.com Sent: Saturday, December 6, 2008 1:01:38 PM Subject: Re: [QUAD-L] need advice on pressure sore hey dan, ive got little purplish bruises b4 that go away without doing anything , like when a transfer goes a lil wrong and you hit something. as far as what to put on it someone else here on the list prob has a better idea. i dont think it is gotten to a severe stage yet though . ron c7 --- On Sat, 12/6/08, Danny Hearn wrote: From: Danny Hearn Subject: [QUAD-L] need advice on pressure sore To: quad-list@eskimo.com Date: Saturday, December 6, 2008, 10:57 AM HI - All, I need help with a new pressure sore issue my roho got a bit low but i could not tell and now i got a small pressure sore o
Re: FW: [QUAD-L] sore advice and pressure relief.
My original cushion (13 years old now) is still my favorite one, but we have to fill it with air every day and allow it to go back to room level. I received a new high profile Roho a while ago and simply tried to put air in it and then let it get to where it was room level. It just did not have the same amount of air as the older model. Even though it's the exact same model, I sit significantly lower than I do in the older one. I have had a hard time getting the newer cushion properly adjusted. I thought I had it and then I decided to let out a little more air. Unfortunately my legs started to splay too much and this tells me that the condition is improperly inflated. Does anyone know where the website is that demonstrates how to properly inflated these things? Quadius On Thu, Dec 11, 2008 at 11:16 AM, wrote: > cushion cover size makes a BIG difference. a smaller (tighter) cover > allows you to have less air in the cushion. proper inflation for a roho is > to blow it up and let it sit open valve to room pressure. then cork it up > and put into a cover that allows you to sink in but not bottom out. I've > never had a pressure sore from sitting on a roho. > AZDAVE > > Take the world in a love embrace > Fire all of your guns at once > And explode into space > DAVEOCONNELL.COM <http://daveoconnell.com/> > > In a message dated 12/11/2008 8:10:47 A.M. US Mountain Standard Time, > d...@unh.edu writes: > > What do you mean by 'a smaller cushion cover'? And why do you suppose that > would matter? > > Dan whose intrigued. > > > At 10:09 PM 12/10/2008, Merrill said something that elicited my response: > > > Years ago I had sores more often than not using the High Profile Roho > regardless of weight shifts. Several years ago by accident I began using a > smaller cushion cover. Since that day inflation does not need be perfect > nor are pressure shifts even necessary regardless how long I am up. > > Merrill > > -- > > *From:* William Willis [ mailto:lwillis82...@msn.com] > > *Sent:* Tuesday, December 09, 2008 6:09 PM > *To:* quad-list@eskimo.com > *Subject:* FW: [QUAD-L] sore advice and pressure relief. > > > i've been trying to heal a sore while sitting on a roho for over a year > now. I get one healed and anothr develops. Its very depressing and > frustrating. I was having pretty good luck until my tilt chair died. Now i > can't relieve pressure and things aren't going as well. I visit a wound > clinic once a week and have done so since june 2007 > -- > Date: Mon, 8 Dec 2008 19:27:06 -0800 > From: imwheelin1...@yahoo.com > Subject: Re: [QUAD-L] sore advice and pressure relief. > To: r.pra...@sbcglobal.net; ddh...@sbcglobal.net; quad-list@eskimo.com > I think you'll be ok now that your cushion is properly inflated. I had a > sore that I got in rehab over the summer heal while sitting on my roho after > they got me on an air mattress at night. Its the other sore that got > infected and lead to another surgery in almost the same place as the sore I > got fixed last year. > > When I met with the wheelchair dealer for a new chair, he said that he has > seen people heal on a roho cushion. As long as it has the proper amount of > air in it and pressure relief is being done. > > Speaking of pressure relief, since I got this surgery fusing my back even > more, I am not longer able to get any sort of shoulder deppresion that > leaves me unable to get my butt off of the surface. I lean now. I haven't > gotten any new breakdown since the episode over the summer but am curious > how you all do your pressure relief. > > Stacy > > > *From:* RONALD L PRACHT > *To:* ddh...@sbcglobal.net; quad-list@eskimo.com > *Sent:* Saturday, December 6, 2008 1:01:38 PM > *Subject:* Re: [QUAD-L] need advice on pressure sore > hey dan, > ive got little purplish bruises b4 that go away without doing anything , > like when a transfer goes a lil wrong and you hit something. as far as what > to put on it someone else here on the list prob has a better idea. i dont > think it is gotten to a severe stage yet though . > > > > ron c7 > > --- On *Sat, 12/6/08, Danny Hearn * wrote: > From: Danny Hearn > Subject: [QUAD-L] need advice on pressure sore > To: quad-list@eskimo.com > Date: Saturday, December 6, 2008, 10:57 AM > HI - All, I need help with a new pressure sore issue my roho got a > bit low but i could not tell and now i got a small pressure sore on my left > side of my bottom. My wife said it looks sort of like a purple colored > bruisecan you guys tell me the best things to put on one early---when it > has not even opened up??? is la
Re: FW: FW: [QUAD-L] sore advice and pressure relief.
Your exactly right on the 1 inch from bottom at lowest point. with the quatro seat, you really should be sure it is locked. I have an aide that sits in it each morning because she knows what it should feel like. Anytime you get up and feel like you are low,, stop and check the roho.The worst thing about them is that I'm only sitting on three shots of air from their pump. A very small air loss can turn a roho into a disaster. As for your bum, get off it now and stay off untill the bruising either fades or your open a sore. Ask your doctor about using oxygen and maybe some hydrocortozone cream (2.5 strength at least) on the area three times a day. It is critical to shorten healing time by fast initial action. If you continue to put preasure on the area it is far more likely to lose more tissue to necrosys, god forbid that you lose any. Invite over some folks you know, deacons at church, whatever, the boredom sucks, but get off your butt! Nows your chance to learn mouthstick artwork! Best of luck, john --- On Thu, 12/11/08, Merrill wrote: From: Merrill Subject: FW: FW: [QUAD-L] sore advice and pressure relief. To: quad-list@eskimo.com Date: Thursday, December 11, 2008, 8:42 PM Sorry I could not say. Right that it does support cushion fingers. Simply show pt what you have and request the next size down. If you need to purchase this independently, you know how hard headed some pt people are, measure yours and request it from the vender. MB C5 There is no fine line to my inflation any longer. My cushion is forgiving after so many years of success. I put an inch give from where cushion bottoms out. Sit on a hand to guestamate inflation. Remember that this works for me with boney butt and no pressure relief but may not be correct for everyone. From: t crook [mailto:onemofor...@yahoo.com] Sent: Thursday, December 11, 2008 8:25 AM To: quad-list@eskimo.com; Dan Subject: Re: FW: [QUAD-L] sore advice and pressure relief. Ditto on the being intrigued. I have a fine line between an over-inflated and under-inflated Roho (hi profile/quadro select); due to my skinny bum. The only thing I can think of on how a smaller cover would help, is, it would help hold the cells together from separating, which mine does and allows my bum to get closer to the bottom of the cushion. So what size is your cushion Merrill, and the smaller cover? Tim c5-c6 20 yrs. post www.geocities.com/onemofortom WhoopieKat.com --- On Thu, 12/11/08, Dan wrote: From: Dan Subject: Re: FW: [QUAD-L] sore advice and pressure relief. To: quad-list@eskimo.com Date: Thursday, December 11, 2008, 9:09 AM What do you mean by 'a smaller cushion cover'? And why do you suppose that would matter? Dan whose intrigued. At 10:09 PM 12/10/2008, Merrill said something that elicited my response: Years ago I had sores more often than not using the High Profile Roho regardless of weight shifts. Several years ago by accident I began using a smaller cushion cover. Since that day inflation does not need be perfect nor are pressure shifts even necessary regardless how long I am up. Merrill From: William Willis [ mailto:lwillis82...@msn.com] Sent: Tuesday, December 09, 2008 6:09 PM To: quad-list@eskimo.com Subject: FW: [QUAD-L] sore advice and pressure relief. i've been trying to heal a sore while sitting on a roho for over a year now. I get one healed and anothr develops. Its very depressing and frustrating. I was having pretty good luck until my tilt chair died. Now i can't relieve pressure and things aren't going as well. I visit a wound clinic once a week and have done so since june 2007 Date: Mon, 8 Dec 2008 19:27:06 -0800 From: imwheelin1...@yahoo.com Subject: Re: [QUAD-L] sore advice and pressure relief. To: r.pra...@sbcglobal.net; ddh...@sbcglobal.net; quad-list@eskimo.com I think you'll be ok now that your cushion is properly inflated. I had a sore that I got in rehab over the summer heal while sitting on my roho after they got me on an air mattress at night. Its the other sore that got infected and lead to another surgery in almost the same place as the sore I got fixed last year. When I met with the wheelchair dealer for a new chair, he said that he has seen people heal on a roho cushion. As long as it has the proper amount of air in it and pressure relief is being done. Speaking of pressure relief, since I got this surgery fusing my back even more, I am not longer able to get any sort of shoulder deppresion that leaves me unable to get my butt off of the surface. I lean now. I haven't gotten any new breakdown since the episode over the summer but am curious how you all do your pressure relief. Stacy From: RONALD L PRACHT To: ddh...@sbcglobal.net; quad-list@eskimo.com Sent: Saturday, December 6, 2008 1:01:38 PM Subject: Re: [QUAD-L] need advice on pressure sore hey dan, ive got little purplish bruise
FW: FW: [QUAD-L] sore advice and pressure relief.
Sorry I could not say. Right that it does support cushion fingers. Simply show pt what you have and request the next size down. If you need to purchase this independently, you know how hard headed some pt people are, measure yours and request it from the vender. MB C5 There is no fine line to my inflation any longer. My cushion is forgiving after so many years of success. I put an inch give from where cushion bottoms out. Sit on a hand to guestamate inflation. Remember that this works for me with boney butt and no pressure relief but may not be correct for everyone. _ From: t crook [mailto:onemofor...@yahoo.com] Sent: Thursday, December 11, 2008 8:25 AM To: quad-list@eskimo.com; Dan Subject: Re: FW: [QUAD-L] sore advice and pressure relief. Ditto on the being intrigued. I have a fine line between an over-inflated and under-inflated Roho (hi profile/quadro select); due to my skinny bum. The only thing I can think of on how a smaller cover would help, is, it would help hold the cells together from separating, which mine does and allows my bum to get closer to the bottom of the cushion. So what size is your cushion Merrill, and the smaller cover? Tim c5-c6 20 yrs. post www.geocities.com/onemofortom WhoopieKat.com <http://www.whoopiekat.com/> --- On Thu, 12/11/08, Dan wrote: From: Dan Subject: Re: FW: [QUAD-L] sore advice and pressure relief. To: quad-list@eskimo.com Date: Thursday, December 11, 2008, 9:09 AM What do you mean by 'a smaller cushion cover'? And why do you suppose that would matter? Dan whose intrigued. At 10:09 PM 12/10/2008, Merrill said something that elicited my response: Years ago I had sores more often than not using the High Profile Roho regardless of weight shifts. Several years ago by accident I began using a smaller cushion cover. Since that day inflation does not need be perfect nor are pressure shifts even necessary regardless how long I am up. Merrill _ From: William Willis [ <mailto:lwillis82...@msn.com> mailto:lwillis82...@msn.com] Sent: Tuesday, December 09, 2008 6:09 PM To: quad-list@eskimo.com Subject: FW: [QUAD-L] sore advice and pressure relief. i've been trying to heal a sore while sitting on a roho for over a year now. I get one healed and anothr develops. Its very depressing and frustrating. I was having pretty good luck until my tilt chair died. Now i can't relieve pressure and things aren't going as well. I visit a wound clinic once a week and have done so since june 2007 _ Date: Mon, 8 Dec 2008 19:27:06 -0800 From: imwheelin1...@yahoo.com Subject: Re: [QUAD-L] sore advice and pressure relief. To: r.pra...@sbcglobal.net; ddh...@sbcglobal.net; quad-list@eskimo.com I think you'll be ok now that your cushion is properly inflated. I had a sore that I got in rehab over the summer heal while sitting on my roho after they got me on an air mattress at night. Its the other sore that got infected and lead to another surgery in almost the same place as the sore I got fixed last year. When I met with the wheelchair dealer for a new chair, he said that he has seen people heal on a roho cushion. As long as it has the proper amount of air in it and pressure relief is being done. Speaking of pressure relief, since I got this surgery fusing my back even more, I am not longer able to get any sort of shoulder deppresion that leaves me unable to get my butt off of the surface. I lean now. I haven't gotten any new breakdown since the episode over the summer but am curious how you all do your pressure relief. Stacy From: RONALD L PRACHT To: ddh...@sbcglobal.net; quad-list@eskimo.com Sent: Saturday, December 6, 2008 1:01:38 PM Subject: Re: [QUAD-L] need advice on pressure sore hey dan, ive got little purplish bruises b4 that go away without doing anything , like when a transfer goes a lil wrong and you hit something. as far as what to put on it someone else here on the list prob has a better idea. i dont think it is gotten to a severe stage yet though . ron c7 --- On Sat, 12/6/08, Danny Hearn wrote: From: Danny Hearn Subject: [QUAD-L] need advice on pressure sore To: quad-list@eskimo.com Date: Saturday, December 6, 2008, 10:57 AM HI - All, I need help with a new pressure sore issue my roho got a bit low but i could not tell and now i got a small pressure sore on my left side of my bottom. My wife said it looks sort of like a purple colored bruisecan you guys tell me the best things to put on one early---when it has not even opened up??? is lantaseptic or bag balm good for it ?? i'm real worried because last april, i got a blister on my heel from my wife buying a pair of tennis shoes one size too small---that turned into a pressure sore and now 7 months later it is still slightly discolored and i still only wear sandal type shoe to keep all pressure off that area. So besides the last shoe incidentthis is my 1s
Re: FW: [QUAD-L] sore advice and pressure relief.
These rohos do wear out. They get to the point you have to add air every day or two. The covers get stretched. I try to get mine replaced every few years. john --- On Thu, 12/11/08, Danny Hearn wrote: From: Danny Hearn Subject: Re: FW: [QUAD-L] sore advice and pressure relief. To: quad-list@eskimo.com, "Merrill" Date: Thursday, December 11, 2008, 8:51 AM Wow, Merrill---that is opposite of what my chair providers told me--- i wanted gto go to a none high profile several years ago and they said OK, but if you do...you will be far more at risk for pressure sores! i wonder if they told me correct?? because i have now used high profile roho's for over 11 years. Dan H. --- On Wed, 12/10/08, Merrill wrote: From: Merrill Subject: FW: [QUAD-L] sore advice and pressure relief. To: quad-list@eskimo.com Date: Wednesday, December 10, 2008, 9:09 PM Years ago I had sores more often than not using the High Profile Roho regardless of weight shifts. Several years ago by accident I began using a smaller cushion cover. Since that day inflation does not need be perfect nor are pressure shifts even necessary regardless how long I am up. Merrill From: William Willis [mailto:lwillis82...@msn.com] Sent: Tuesday, December 09, 2008 6:09 PM To: quad-list@eskimo.com Subject: FW: [QUAD-L] sore advice and pressure relief. i've been trying to heal a sore while sitting on a roho for over a year now. I get one healed and anothr develops. Its very depressing and frustrating. I was having pretty good luck until my tilt chair died. Now i can't relieve pressure and things aren't going as well. I visit a wound clinic once a week and have done so since june 2007 Date: Mon, 8 Dec 2008 19:27:06 -0800 From: imwheelin1...@yahoo.com Subject: Re: [QUAD-L] sore advice and pressure relief. To: r.pra...@sbcglobal.net; ddh...@sbcglobal.net ; quad-list@eskimo.com I think you'll be ok now that your cushion is properly inflated. I had a sore that I got in rehab over the summer heal while sitting on my roho after they got me on an air mattress at night. Its the other sore that got infected and lead to another surgery in almost the same place as the sore I got fixed last year. When I met with the wheelchair dealer for a new chair, he said that he has seen people heal on a roho cushion. As long as it has the proper amount of air in it and pressure relief is being done. Speaking of pressure relief, since I got this surgery fusing my back even more, I am not longer able to get any sort of shoulder deppresion that leaves me unable to get my butt off of the surface. I lean now. I haven't gotten any new breakdown since the episode over the summer but am curious how you all do your pressure relief. Stacy From: RONALD L PRACHT To: ddh...@sbcglobal.net ; quad-list@eskimo.com Sent: Saturday, December 6, 2008 1:01:38 PM Subject: Re: [QUAD-L] need advice on pressure sore hey dan, ive got little purplish bruises b4 that go away without doing anything , like when a transfer goes a lil wrong and you hit something. as far as what to put on it someone else here on the list prob has a better idea. i dont think it is gotten to a severe stage yet though . ron c7 --- On Sat, 12/6/08, Danny Hearn < ddh...@sbcglobal.net > wrote: From: Danny Hearn < ddh...@sbcglobal.net > Subject: [QUAD-L] need advice on pressure sore To: quad-list@eskimo.com Date: Saturday, December 6, 2008, 10:57 AM HI - All, I need help with a new pressure sore issue my roho got a bit low but i could not tell and now i got a small pressure sore on my left side of my bottom. My wife said it looks sort of like a purple colored bruisecan you guys tell me the best things to put on one early---when it has not even opened up??? is lantaseptic or bag balm good for it ?? i'm real worried because last april, i got a blister on my heel from my wife buying a pair of tennis shoes one size too small---that turned into a pressure sore and now 7 months later it is still slightly discolored and i still only wear sandal type shoe to keep all pressure off that area. So besides the last shoe incidentthis is my 1st time with a butt area pressure sore---i know to do pressure release and stay off as much as possible-- but not sure what to put on it in the early stages. thanks for any help ! Dan H. C-6 11 1/2 yr. post Send e-mail anywhere. No map, no compass. Get your Hotmail® account now.
Re: FW: [QUAD-L] sore advice and pressure relief.
Thank you Dave. Very astute and informative. Dan who's now informed At 11:16 AM 12/11/2008, [EMAIL PROTECTED] said something that elicited my response: cushion cover size makes a BIG difference. a smaller (tighter) cover allows you to have less air in the cushion. proper inflation for a roho is to blow it up and let it sit open valve to room pressure. then cork it up and put into a cover that allows you to sink in but not bottom out. I've never had a pressure sore from sitting on a roho. AZDAVE Take the world in a love embrace Fire all of your guns at once And explode into space <http://daveoconnell.com/>DAVEOCONNELL.COM In a message dated 12/11/2008 8:10:47 A.M. US Mountain Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: What do you mean by 'a smaller cushion cover'? And why do you suppose that would matter? Dan whose intrigued. At 10:09 PM 12/10/2008, Merrill said something that elicited my response: Years ago I had sores more often than not using the High Profile Roho regardless of weight shifts. Several years ago by accident I began using a smaller cushion cover. Since that day inflation does not need be perfect nor are pressure shifts even necessary regardless how long I am up. Merrill -- From: William Willis [ mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, December 09, 2008 6:09 PM To: quad-list@eskimo.com Subject: FW: [QUAD-L] sore advice and pressure relief. i've been trying to heal a sore while sitting on a roho for over a year now. I get one healed and anothr develops. Its very depressing and frustrating. I was having pretty good luck until my tilt chair died. Now i can't relieve pressure and things aren't going as well. I visit a wound clinic once a week and have done so since june 2007 -- Date: Mon, 8 Dec 2008 19:27:06 -0800 From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [QUAD-L] sore advice and pressure relief. To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; [EMAIL PROTECTED]; quad-list@eskimo.com I think you'll be ok now that your cushion is properly inflated. I had a sore that I got in rehab over the summer heal while sitting on my roho after they got me on an air mattress at night. Its the other sore that got infected and lead to another surgery in almost the same place as the sore I got fixed last year. When I met with the wheelchair dealer for a new chair, he said that he has seen people heal on a roho cushion. As long as it has the proper amount of air in it and pressure relief is being done. Speaking of pressure relief, since I got this surgery fusing my back even more, I am not longer able to get any sort of shoulder deppresion that leaves me unable to get my butt off of the surface. I lean now. I haven't gotten any new breakdown since the episode over the summer but am curious how you all do your pressure relief. Stacy From: RONALD L PRACHT <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; quad-list@eskimo.com Sent: Saturday, December 6, 2008 1:01:38 PM Subject: Re: [QUAD-L] need advice on pressure sore hey dan, ive got little purplish bruises b4 that go away without doing anything , like when a transfer goes a lil wrong and you hit something. as far as what to put on it someone else here on the list prob has a better idea. i dont think it is gotten to a severe stage yet though . ron c7 --- On Sat, 12/6/08, Danny Hearn <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: From: Danny Hearn <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: [QUAD-L] need advice on pressure sore To: quad-list@eskimo.com Date: Saturday, December 6, 2008, 10:57 AM HI - All, I need help with a new pressure sore issue my roho got a bit low but i could not tell and now i got a small pressure sore on my left side of my bottom. My wife said it looks sort of like a purple colored bruisecan you guys tell me the best things to put on one early---when it has not even opened up??? is lantaseptic or bag balm good for it ?? i'm real worried because last april, i got a blister on my heel from my wife buying a pair of tennis shoes one size too small---that turned into a pressure sore and now 7 months later it is still slightly discolored and i still only wear sandal type shoe to keep all pressure off that area. So besides the last shoe incidentthis is my 1st time with a butt area pressure sore---i know to do pressure release and stay off as much as possible-- but not sure what to put on it in the early stages. thanks for any help ! Dan H. C-6 11 1/2 yr. post -- Send e-mail anywhere. No map, no compass. <http://windowslive.com/Explore/hotmail?ocid=TXT_TAGLM_WL_hotmail_acq_anywhere_122008>Get your Hotmail® account now. -- Make your life easier with all your friends, email, and favorite sites in one place. <http://www.aol.com/?optin=new-dp&icid=aolcom40vanity&ncid=emlcntaolcom0010>Try it now.
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Ditto on the being intrigued. I have a fine line between an over-inflated and under-inflated Roho (hi profile/quadro select); due to my skinny bum. The only thing I can think of on how a smaller cover would help, is, it would help hold the cells together from separating, which mine does and allows my bum to get closer to the bottom of the cushion. So what size is your cushion Merrill, and the smaller cover? Tim c5-c6 20 yrs. post www.geocities.com/onemofortom WhoopieKat.com --- On Thu, 12/11/08, Dan <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: From: Dan <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: Re: FW: [QUAD-L] sore advice and pressure relief. To: quad-list@eskimo.com Date: Thursday, December 11, 2008, 9:09 AM What do you mean by 'a smaller cushion cover'? And why do you suppose that would matter? Dan whose intrigued. At 10:09 PM 12/10/2008, Merrill said something that elicited my response: Years ago I had sores more often than not using the High Profile Roho regardless of weight shifts. Several years ago by accident I began using a smaller cushion cover. Since that day inflation does not need be perfect nor are pressure shifts even necessary regardless how long I am up. Merrill From: William Willis [ mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, December 09, 2008 6:09 PM To: quad-list@eskimo.com Subject: FW: [QUAD-L] sore advice and pressure relief. i've been trying to heal a sore while sitting on a roho for over a year now. I get one healed and anothr develops. Its very depressing and frustrating. I was having pretty good luck until my tilt chair died. Now i can't relieve pressure and things aren't going as well. I visit a wound clinic once a week and have done so since june 2007 Date: Mon, 8 Dec 2008 19:27:06 -0800 From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [QUAD-L] sore advice and pressure relief. To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; [EMAIL PROTECTED]; quad-list@eskimo.com I think you'll be ok now that your cushion is properly inflated. I had a sore that I got in rehab over the summer heal while sitting on my roho after they got me on an air mattress at night. Its the other sore that got infected and lead to another surgery in almost the same place as the sore I got fixed last year. When I met with the wheelchair dealer for a new chair, he said that he has seen people heal on a roho cushion. As long as it has the proper amount of air in it and pressure relief is being done. Speaking of pressure relief, since I got this surgery fusing my back even more, I am not longer able to get any sort of shoulder deppresion that leaves me unable to get my butt off of the surface. I lean now. I haven't gotten any new breakdown since the episode over the summer but am curious how you all do your pressure relief. Stacy From: RONALD L PRACHT <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; quad-list@eskimo.com Sent: Saturday, December 6, 2008 1:01:38 PM Subject: Re: [QUAD-L] need advice on pressure sore hey dan, ive got little purplish bruises b4 that go away without doing anything , like when a transfer goes a lil wrong and you hit something. as far as what to put on it someone else here on the list prob has a better idea. i dont think it is gotten to a severe stage yet though . ron c7 --- On Sat, 12/6/08, Danny Hearn <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: From: Danny Hearn <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: [QUAD-L] need advice on pressure sore To: quad-list@eskimo.com Date: Saturday, December 6, 2008, 10:57 AM HI - All, I need help with a new pressure sore issue my roho got a bit low but i could not tell and now i got a small pressure sore on my left side of my bottom. My wife said it looks sort of like a purple colored bruisecan you guys tell me the best things to put on one early---when it has not even opened up??? is lantaseptic or bag balm good for it ?? i'm real worried because last april, i got a blister on my heel from my wife buying a pair of tennis shoes one size too small---that turned into a pressure sore and now 7 months later it is still slightly discolored and i still only wear sandal type shoe to keep all pressure off that area. So besides the last shoe incidentthis is my 1st time with a butt area pressure sore---i know to do pressure release and stay off as much as possible-- but not sure what to put on it in the early stages. thanks for any help ! Dan H. C-6 11 1/2 yr. post Send e-mail anywhere. No map, no compass. Get your Hotmail® account now.
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cushion cover size makes a BIG difference. a smaller (tighter) cover allows you to have less air in the cushion. proper inflation for a roho is to blow it up and let it sit open valve to room pressure. then cork it up and put into a cover that allows you to sink in but not bottom out. I've never had a pressure sore from sitting on a roho. AZDAVE Take the world in a love embrace Fire all of your guns at once And explode into space _DAVEOCONNELL.COM_ (http://daveoconnell.com/) In a message dated 12/11/2008 8:10:47 A.M. US Mountain Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: What do you mean by 'a smaller cushion cover'? And why do you suppose that would matter? Dan whose intrigued. At 10:09 PM 12/10/2008, Merrill said something that elicited my response: Years ago I had sores more often than not using the High Profile Roho regardless of weight shifts. Several years ago by accident I began using a smaller cushion cover. Since that day inflation does not need be perfect nor are pressure shifts even necessary regardless how long I am up. Merrill From: William Willis [_ mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] (mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]) ] Sent: Tuesday, December 09, 2008 6:09 PM To: quad-list@eskimo.com Subject: FW: [QUAD-L] sore advice and pressure relief. i've been trying to heal a sore while sitting on a roho for over a year now. I get one healed and anothr develops. Its very depressing and frustrating. I was having pretty good luck until my tilt chair died. Now i can't relieve pressure and things aren't going as well. I visit a wound clinic once a week and have done so since june 2007 Date: Mon, 8 Dec 2008 19:27:06 -0800 From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [QUAD-L] sore advice and pressure relief. To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; [EMAIL PROTECTED]; quad-list@eskimo.com I think you'll be ok now that your cushion is properly inflated. I had a sore that I got in rehab over the summer heal while sitting on my roho after they got me on an air mattress at night. Its the other sore that got infected and lead to another surgery in almost the same place as the sore I got fixed last year. When I met with the wheelchair dealer for a new chair, he said that he has seen people heal on a roho cushion. As long as it has the proper amount of air in it and pressure relief is being done. Speaking of pressure relief, since I got this surgery fusing my back even more, I am not longer able to get any sort of shoulder deppresion that leaves me unable to get my butt off of the surface. I lean now. I haven't gotten any new breakdown since the episode over the summer but am curious how you all do your pressure relief. Stacy From: RONALD L PRACHT <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; quad-list@eskimo.com Sent: Saturday, December 6, 2008 1:01:38 PM Subject: Re: [QUAD-L] need advice on pressure sore hey dan, ive got little purplish bruises b4 that go away without doing anything , like when a transfer goes a lil wrong and you hit something. as far as what to put on it someone else here on the list prob has a better idea. i dont think it is gotten to a severe stage yet though . ron c7 --- On Sat, 12/6/08, Danny Hearn <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: From: Danny Hearn <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: [QUAD-L] need advice on pressure sore To: quad-list@eskimo.com Date: Saturday, December 6, 2008, 10:57 AM HI - All, I need help with a new pressure sore issue my roho got a bit low but i could not tell and now i got a small pressure sore on my left side of my bottom. My wife said it looks sort of like a purple colored bruisecan you guys tell me the best things to put on one early---when it has not even opened up??? is lantaseptic or bag balm good for it ?? i'm real worried because last april, i got a blister on my heel from my wife buying a pair of tennis shoes one size too small---that turned into a pressure sore and now 7 months later it is still slightly discolored and i still only wear sandal type shoe to keep all pressure off that area. So besides the last shoe incidentthis is my 1st time with a butt area pressure sore---i know to do pressure release and stay off as much as possible-- but not sure what to put on it in the early stages. thanks for any help ! Dan H. C-6 11 1/2 yr. post Send e-mail anywhere. No map, no compass. _Get your Hotmail® account now._ (http://windowslive.com/Explore/hotmail?ocid=TXT_TAGLM_WL_hotmail_acq_anywhere_ 122008) **Make your life easier with all your friends, email, and favorite sites in one place. Try it now. (http://www.aol.com/?optin=new-dp&icid=aolcom40vanity&ncid=emlcntaolcom0010)
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What do you mean by 'a smaller cushion cover'? And why do you suppose that would matter? Dan whose intrigued. At 10:09 PM 12/10/2008, Merrill said something that elicited my response: Years ago I had sores more often than not using the High Profile Roho regardless of weight shifts. Several years ago by accident I began using a smaller cushion cover. Since that day inflation does not need be perfect nor are pressure shifts even necessary regardless how long I am up. Merrill -- From: William Willis [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, December 09, 2008 6:09 PM To: quad-list@eskimo.com Subject: FW: [QUAD-L] sore advice and pressure relief. i've been trying to heal a sore while sitting on a roho for over a year now. I get one healed and anothr develops. Its very depressing and frustrating. I was having pretty good luck until my tilt chair died. Now i can't relieve pressure and things aren't going as well. I visit a wound clinic once a week and have done so since june 2007 -- Date: Mon, 8 Dec 2008 19:27:06 -0800 From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [QUAD-L] sore advice and pressure relief. To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; [EMAIL PROTECTED]; quad-list@eskimo.com I think you'll be ok now that your cushion is properly inflated. I had a sore that I got in rehab over the summer heal while sitting on my roho after they got me on an air mattress at night. Its the other sore that got infected and lead to another surgery in almost the same place as the sore I got fixed last year. When I met with the wheelchair dealer for a new chair, he said that he has seen people heal on a roho cushion. As long as it has the proper amount of air in it and pressure relief is being done. Speaking of pressure relief, since I got this surgery fusing my back even more, I am not longer able to get any sort of shoulder deppresion that leaves me unable to get my butt off of the surface. I lean now. I haven't gotten any new breakdown since the episode over the summer but am curious how you all do your pressure relief. Stacy From: RONALD L PRACHT <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; quad-list@eskimo.com Sent: Saturday, December 6, 2008 1:01:38 PM Subject: Re: [QUAD-L] need advice on pressure sore hey dan, ive got little purplish bruises b4 that go away without doing anything , like when a transfer goes a lil wrong and you hit something. as far as what to put on it someone else here on the list prob has a better idea. i dont think it is gotten to a severe stage yet though . ron c7 --- On Sat, 12/6/08, Danny Hearn <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: From: Danny Hearn <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: [QUAD-L] need advice on pressure sore To: quad-list@eskimo.com Date: Saturday, December 6, 2008, 10:57 AM HI - All, I need help with a new pressure sore issue my roho got a bit low but i could not tell and now i got a small pressure sore on my left side of my bottom. My wife said it looks sort of like a purple colored bruisecan you guys tell me the best things to put on one early---when it has not even opened up??? is lantaseptic or bag balm good for it ?? i'm real worried because last april, i got a blister on my heel from my wife buying a pair of tennis shoes one size too small---that turned into a pressure sore and now 7 months later it is still slightly discolored and i still only wear sandal type shoe to keep all pressure off that area. So besides the last shoe incidentthis is my 1st time with a butt area pressure sore---i know to do pressure release and stay off as much as possible-- but not sure what to put on it in the early stages. thanks for any help ! Dan H. C-6 11 1/2 yr. post -- Send e-mail anywhere. No map, no compass. <http://windowslive.com/Explore/hotmail?ocid=TXT_TAGLM_WL_hotmail_acq_anywhere_122008>Get your Hotmail® account now.
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Wow, Merrill---that is opposite of what my chair providers told me--- i wanted gto go to a none high profile several years ago and they said OK, but if you do...you will be far more at risk for pressure sores! i wonder if they told me correct?? because i have now used high profile roho's for over 11 years. Dan H. --- On Wed, 12/10/08, Merrill <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: From: Merrill <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: FW: [QUAD-L] sore advice and pressure relief. To: quad-list@eskimo.com Date: Wednesday, December 10, 2008, 9:09 PM Years ago I had sores more often than not using the High Profile Roho regardless of weight shifts. Several years ago by accident I began using a smaller cushion cover. Since that day inflation does not need be perfect nor are pressure shifts even necessary regardless how long I am up. Merrill From: William Willis [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, December 09, 2008 6:09 PM To: quad-list@eskimo.com Subject: FW: [QUAD-L] sore advice and pressure relief. i've been trying to heal a sore while sitting on a roho for over a year now. I get one healed and anothr develops. Its very depressing and frustrating. I was having pretty good luck until my tilt chair died. Now i can't relieve pressure and things aren't going as well. I visit a wound clinic once a week and have done so since june 2007 Date: Mon, 8 Dec 2008 19:27:06 -0800 From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [QUAD-L] sore advice and pressure relief. To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; [EMAIL PROTECTED] ; quad-list@eskimo.com I think you'll be ok now that your cushion is properly inflated. I had a sore that I got in rehab over the summer heal while sitting on my roho after they got me on an air mattress at night. Its the other sore that got infected and lead to another surgery in almost the same place as the sore I got fixed last year. When I met with the wheelchair dealer for a new chair, he said that he has seen people heal on a roho cushion. As long as it has the proper amount of air in it and pressure relief is being done. Speaking of pressure relief, since I got this surgery fusing my back even more, I am not longer able to get any sort of shoulder deppresion that leaves me unable to get my butt off of the surface. I lean now. I haven't gotten any new breakdown since the episode over the summer but am curious how you all do your pressure relief. Stacy From: RONALD L PRACHT <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ; quad-list@eskimo.com Sent: Saturday, December 6, 2008 1:01:38 PM Subject: Re: [QUAD-L] need advice on pressure sore hey dan, ive got little purplish bruises b4 that go away without doing anything , like when a transfer goes a lil wrong and you hit something. as far as what to put on it someone else here on the list prob has a better idea. i dont think it is gotten to a severe stage yet though . ron c7 --- On Sat, 12/6/08, Danny Hearn < [EMAIL PROTECTED] > wrote: From: Danny Hearn < [EMAIL PROTECTED] > Subject: [QUAD-L] need advice on pressure sore To: quad-list@eskimo.com Date: Saturday, December 6, 2008, 10:57 AM HI - All, I need help with a new pressure sore issue my roho got a bit low but i could not tell and now i got a small pressure sore on my left side of my bottom. My wife said it looks sort of like a purple colored bruisecan you guys tell me the best things to put on one early---when it has not even opened up??? is lantaseptic or bag balm good for it ?? i'm real worried because last april, i got a blister on my heel from my wife buying a pair of tennis shoes one size too small---that turned into a pressure sore and now 7 months later it is still slightly discolored and i still only wear sandal type shoe to keep all pressure off that area. So besides the last shoe incidentthis is my 1st time with a butt area pressure sore---i know to do pressure release and stay off as much as possible-- but not sure what to put on it in the early stages. thanks for any help ! Dan H. C-6 11 1/2 yr. post Send e-mail anywhere. No map, no compass. Get your Hotmail® account now.
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Years ago I had sores more often than not using the High Profile Roho regardless of weight shifts. Several years ago by accident I began using a smaller cushion cover. Since that day inflation does not need be perfect nor are pressure shifts even necessary regardless how long I am up. Merrill _ From: William Willis [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, December 09, 2008 6:09 PM To: quad-list@eskimo.com Subject: FW: [QUAD-L] sore advice and pressure relief. i've been trying to heal a sore while sitting on a roho for over a year now. I get one healed and anothr develops. Its very depressing and frustrating. I was having pretty good luck until my tilt chair died. Now i can't relieve pressure and things aren't going as well. I visit a wound clinic once a week and have done so since june 2007 _ Date: Mon, 8 Dec 2008 19:27:06 -0800 From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [QUAD-L] sore advice and pressure relief. To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; [EMAIL PROTECTED]; quad-list@eskimo.com I think you'll be ok now that your cushion is properly inflated. I had a sore that I got in rehab over the summer heal while sitting on my roho after they got me on an air mattress at night. Its the other sore that got infected and lead to another surgery in almost the same place as the sore I got fixed last year. When I met with the wheelchair dealer for a new chair, he said that he has seen people heal on a roho cushion. As long as it has the proper amount of air in it and pressure relief is being done. Speaking of pressure relief, since I got this surgery fusing my back even more, I am not longer able to get any sort of shoulder deppresion that leaves me unable to get my butt off of the surface. I lean now. I haven't gotten any new breakdown since the episode over the summer but am curious how you all do your pressure relief. Stacy _ From: RONALD L PRACHT <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; quad-list@eskimo.com Sent: Saturday, December 6, 2008 1:01:38 PM Subject: Re: [QUAD-L] need advice on pressure sore hey dan, ive got little purplish bruises b4 that go away without doing anything , like when a transfer goes a lil wrong and you hit something. as far as what to put on it someone else here on the list prob has a better idea. i dont think it is gotten to a severe stage yet though . ron c7 --- On Sat, 12/6/08, Danny Hearn <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: From: Danny Hearn <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: [QUAD-L] need advice on pressure sore To: quad-list@eskimo.com Date: Saturday, December 6, 2008, 10:57 AM HI - All, I need help with a new pressure sore issue my roho got a bit low but i could not tell and now i got a small pressure sore on my left side of my bottom. My wife said it looks sort of like a purple colored bruisecan you guys tell me the best things to put on one early---when it has not even opened up??? is lantaseptic or bag balm good for it ?? i'm real worried because last april, i got a blister on my heel from my wife buying a pair of tennis shoes one size too small---that turned into a pressure sore and now 7 months later it is still slightly discolored and i still only wear sandal type shoe to keep all pressure off that area. So besides the last shoe incidentthis is my 1st time with a butt area pressure sore---i know to do pressure release and stay off as much as possible-- but not sure what to put on it in the early stages. thanks for any help ! Dan H. C-6 11 1/2 yr. post _ Send e-mail anywhere. No map, no compass. Get your Hotmail <http://windowslive.com/Explore/hotmail?ocid=TXT_TAGLM_WL_hotmail_acq_anywhe re_122008> R account now.
FW: [QUAD-L] sore advice and pressure relief.
i've been trying to heal a sore while sitting on a roho for over a year now. I get one healed and anothr develops. Its very depressing and frustrating. I was having pretty good luck until my tilt chair died. Now i can't relieve pressure and things aren't going as well. I visit a wound clinic once a week and have done so since june 2007 Date: Mon, 8 Dec 2008 19:27:06 -0800From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]: Re: [QUAD-L] sore advice and pressure relief.To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; [EMAIL PROTECTED]; quad-list@eskimo.com I think you'll be ok now that your cushion is properly inflated. I had a sore that I got in rehab over the summer heal while sitting on my roho after they got me on an air mattress at night. Its the other sore that got infected and lead to another surgery in almost the same place as the sore I got fixed last year. When I met with the wheelchair dealer for a new chair, he said that he has seen people heal on a roho cushion. As long as it has the proper amount of air in it and pressure relief is being done. Speaking of pressure relief, since I got this surgery fusing my back even more, I am not longer able to get any sort of shoulder deppresion that leaves me unable to get my butt off of the surface. I lean now. I haven't gotten any new breakdown since the episode over the summer but am curious how you all do your pressure relief. Stacy From: RONALD L PRACHT <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; [EMAIL PROTECTED]: Saturday, December 6, 2008 1:01:38 PMSubject: Re: [QUAD-L] need advice on pressure sore hey dan, ive got little purplish bruises b4 that go away without doing anything , like when a transfer goes a lil wrong and you hit something. as far as what to put on it someone else here on the list prob has a better idea. i dont think it is gotten to a severe stage yet though . ron c7 --- On Sat, 12/6/08, Danny Hearn <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: From: Danny Hearn <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>Subject: [QUAD-L] need advice on pressure soreTo: [EMAIL PROTECTED]: Saturday, December 6, 2008, 10:57 AM HI - All, I need help with a new pressure sore issue my roho got a bit low but i could not tell and now i got a small pressure sore on my left side of my bottom. My wife said it looks sort of like a purple colored bruisecan you guys tell me the best things to put on one early---when it has not even opened up??? is lantaseptic or bag balm good for it ?? i'm real worried because last april, i got a blister on my heel from my wife buying a pair of tennis shoes one size too small---that turned into a pressure sore and now 7 months later it is still slightly discolored and i still only wear sandal type shoe to keep all pressure off that area. So besides the last shoe incidentthis is my 1st time with a butt area pressure sore---i know to do pressure release and stay off as much as possible-- but not sure what to put on it in the early stages. thanks for any help ! Dan H. C-6 11 1/2 yr. post _ Send e-mail anywhere. No map, no compass. http://windowslive.com/Explore/hotmail?ocid=TXT_TAGLM_WL_hotmail_acq_anywhere_122008
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I think you'll be ok now that your cushion is properly inflated. I had a sore that I got in rehab over the summer heal while sitting on my roho after they got me on an air mattress at night. Its the other sore that got infected and lead to another surgery in almost the same place as the sore I got fixed last year. When I met with the wheelchair dealer for a new chair, he said that he has seen people heal on a roho cushion. As long as it has the proper amount of air in it and pressure relief is being done. Speaking of pressure relief, since I got this surgery fusing my back even more, I am not longer able to get any sort of shoulder deppresion that leaves me unable to get my butt off of the surface. I lean now. I haven't gotten any new breakdown since the episode over the summer but am curious how you all do your pressure relief. Stacy From: RONALD L PRACHT <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; quad-list@eskimo.com Sent: Saturday, December 6, 2008 1:01:38 PM Subject: Re: [QUAD-L] need advice on pressure sore hey dan, ive got little purplish bruises b4 that go away without doing anything , like when a transfer goes a lil wrong and you hit something. as far as what to put on it someone else here on the list prob has a better idea. i dont think it is gotten to a severe stage yet though . ron c7 --- On Sat, 12/6/08, Danny Hearn <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: From: Danny Hearn <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: [QUAD-L] need advice on pressure sore To: quad-list@eskimo.com Date: Saturday, December 6, 2008, 10:57 AM HI - All, I need help with a new pressure sore issue my roho got a bit low but i could not tell and now i got a small pressure sore on my left side of my bottom. My wife said it looks sort of like a purple colored bruisecan you guys tell me the best things to put on one early---when it has not even opened up??? is lantaseptic or bag balm good for it ?? i'm real worried because last april, i got a blister on my heel from my wife buying a pair of tennis shoes one size too small---that turned into a pressure sore and now 7 months later it is still slightly discolored and i still only wear sandal type shoe to keep all pressure off that area. So besides the last shoe incidentthis is my 1st time with a butt area pressure sore---i know to do pressure release and stay off as much as possible-- but not sure what to put on it in the early stages. thanks for any help ! Dan H. C-6 11 1/2 yr. post