Re: [RBW] Re: Grant Petersen Interview up on the Gravel & Grind website
On Fri, Jul 28, 2017 at 5:52 PM, 'Chris Lampe 2' via RBW Owners Bunch < rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com> wrote: [Snippo]: I have to have my body at a certain angle that allows my core muscles to best support my weight, instead of my hands. I find this to be very true. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
Re: [RBW] Re: Grant Petersen Interview up on the Gravel & Grind website
At one time I was also guilty of putting my seat way forward but I tried it Grant's way and now I always push it all the way back. I haven't yet been able to make closer handlebars work. I always ran them that way and I always had issues with hand numbness and pain. It was only thru an impulsive trial-and-error adjustment that I discovered further away handlebars were far, far more comfortable. Someone here mentioned back angle and I think that's what it boils down to for me to be comfortable. I have to have my body at a certain angle that allows my core muscles to best support my weight, instead of my hands. I found that a 60cm ETT with a long'ish (110mm) stem gets me in a good position. Like you, I've found that very small adjustments make a large difference in both comfort and handling. On Friday, July 28, 2017 at 5:23:38 PM UTC-5, Patrick Moore wrote: > > Chris and Mitch: Thanks; at least plausible explanations. As I said > elsewhere, in experimenting with setting up the bar for the Matthews over > the last year, I've gradually lowered the bar by a total of about 2 inches, > and extended the stem by 1 cm. (The last 9 mm reduction in height was by > swapping out the 9 cm 90* stem for a 9 cm 6* stem flipped negative; this > because I'd earlier removed the last spacer from above the headset. And > flipping the 6* stem downward extends the bar forward by 2 more mm, in > addition to reducing its height.) > > Long windup as usual. Let us proceed: Compared to my Benchmark Riv Roads, > the Matthews feels vague in that crucial transition from straight to turn, > at lower speeds on pavement. It still felt this way even as I lowered the > bar. But this last reduction seems to have pushed a handling button; the > last 9 mm seems to have made more difference in this turn-in than the > previous 3 cm. At any rate, this lowering made the hoods feel more natural, > keeps the hooks very usable, and (hoods position) seems at least to make > turn-in feel a bit more planted. > > Of course, with such variables as tires -- width, pressure, tread -- who > can possibly parse all the element affecting all the other variables in my > peculiar body relationship with this particular bike; but --- again, very > longwinded windup: I can well believe that more weight over bar leads to a > better "planted" feel in "turn-in." > > 'Nother anecdote, not wholly unrelated to all this: my first highish end > road bike, 1990, was a '89 Falcon, 531 C, all Sante, which had a design > that I read was a trend in the '70s or so: very short front-center (very > little daylight between 19 mm Turbo and bottom of down tube), and long > stays. I messed up the handling by setting up the saddle and bar all wrong: > saddle so high I needed mtb seatpost; saddle all, and I mean all, the way > forward on the rails, so much so that I needed blue Loctite to keep it from > tilting *forward* under my then svelte weight; 135 or 140 mm stem full 6 > inches below saddle -- you had to experience fast, swoopy downhills with > gusty sidewinds! > > But I expect that this design would have handled delightfully with a > Grantian setup: he told me, get your bar up and back, and your saddle back > and down, and it worked for other bikes. But I'd sold the Falcon. > -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
Re: [RBW] Re: Grant Petersen Interview up on the Gravel & Grind website
Chris and Mitch: Thanks; at least plausible explanations. As I said elsewhere, in experimenting with setting up the bar for the Matthews over the last year, I've gradually lowered the bar by a total of about 2 inches, and extended the stem by 1 cm. (The last 9 mm reduction in height was by swapping out the 9 cm 90* stem for a 9 cm 6* stem flipped negative; this because I'd earlier removed the last spacer from above the headset. And flipping the 6* stem downward extends the bar forward by 2 more mm, in addition to reducing its height.) Long windup as usual. Let us proceed: Compared to my Benchmark Riv Roads, the Matthews feels vague in that crucial transition from straight to turn, at lower speeds on pavement. It still felt this way even as I lowered the bar. But this last reduction seems to have pushed a handling button; the last 9 mm seems to have made more difference in this turn-in than the previous 3 cm. At any rate, this lowering made the hoods feel more natural, keeps the hooks very usable, and (hoods position) seems at least to make turn-in feel a bit more planted. Of course, with such variables as tires -- width, pressure, tread -- who can possibly parse all the element affecting all the other variables in my peculiar body relationship with this particular bike; but --- again, very longwinded windup: I can well believe that more weight over bar leads to a better "planted" feel in "turn-in." 'Nother anecdote, not wholly unrelated to all this: my first highish end road bike, 1990, was a '89 Falcon, 531 C, all Sante, which had a design that I read was a trend in the '70s or so: very short front-center (very little daylight between 19 mm Turbo and bottom of down tube), and long stays. I messed up the handling by setting up the saddle and bar all wrong: saddle so high I needed mtb seatpost; saddle all, and I mean all, the way forward on the rails, so much so that I needed blue Loctite to keep it from tilting *forward* under my then svelte weight; 135 or 140 mm stem full 6 inches below saddle -- you had to experience fast, swoopy downhills with gusty sidewinds! But I expect that this design would have handled delightfully with a Grantian setup: he told me, get your bar up and back, and your saddle back and down, and it worked for other bikes. But I'd sold the Falcon. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
Re: [RBW] Re: Grant Petersen Interview up on the Gravel & Grind website
Yeah, it's probably meaningless. Maybe it's just that my own bike balance has improved over the years. Jay -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
Re: [RBW] Re: Grant Petersen Interview up on the Gravel & Grind website
I'm not sure that test is valid. I am unable to ride my AHH for more than a few seconds without my hands on the bars. But, I suspect that is more me being unbalanced than the bike. Tim On Fri, Jul 28, 2017 at 12:59 PM, Brewster Fongwrote: > > > On Friday, July 28, 2017 at 12:16:47 PM UTC-7, Jay Connolly wrote: >> >> I was intrigued by this number, as well. I heard an interview with Grant >> somewhere in which he expressed reluctance to excite the hostile, loveless >> bike-frame geometers of the interwebs, and I don't blame him. I've owned 15 >> or more steel bikes in the last 20 years, and only on the Rivs have I been >> able, effortlessly, to ride no hands. I take that as a sign of balance and >> stability in the bike. I could do it briefly on various other frames, but >> nothing like the Rivs. Maybe it's meaningless, but I find it both useful >> and pleasant on long rides. > > > That's interesting. Is riding no handed "the test" to show that a bike is > balanced and stabled? I bought all of my bikes used and have been able to > ride no handed on each of them - 90s Calfee tetra, 90s Litespeed Classic > and my newest bike - 2013 Trek Madone. I run 700x25 tires@80psi on all of > them. The Trek has the shortest wheelbase and it took some time to get use > to the handling as it is quicker than the other two bikes. Otherwise, it is > fine. > > Good to know that my bikes are all balance and stable! > > Good Luck! > -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
Re: [RBW] Re: Grant Petersen Interview up on the Gravel & Grind website
On Friday, July 28, 2017 at 12:16:47 PM UTC-7, Jay Connolly wrote: > > I was intrigued by this number, as well. I heard an interview with Grant > somewhere in which he expressed reluctance to excite the hostile, loveless > bike-frame geometers of the interwebs, and I don't blame him. I've owned 15 > or more steel bikes in the last 20 years, and only on the Rivs have I been > able, effortlessly, to ride no hands. I take that as a sign of balance and > stability in the bike. I could do it briefly on various other frames, but > nothing like the Rivs. Maybe it's meaningless, but I find it both useful > and pleasant on long rides. That's interesting. Is riding no handed "the test" to show that a bike is balanced and stabled? I bought all of my bikes used and have been able to ride no handed on each of them - 90s Calfee tetra, 90s Litespeed Classic and my newest bike - 2013 Trek Madone. I run 700x25 tires@80psi on all of them. The Trek has the shortest wheelbase and it took some time to get use to the handling as it is quicker than the other two bikes. Otherwise, it is fine. Good to know that my bikes are all balance and stable! Good Luck! -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
Re: [RBW] Re: Grant Petersen Interview up on the Gravel & Grind website
I was intrigued by this number, as well. I heard an interview with Grant somewhere in which he expressed reluctance to excite the hostile, loveless bike-frame geometers of the interwebs, and I don't blame him. I've owned 15 or more steel bikes in the last 20 years, and only on the Rivs have I been able, effortlessly, to ride no hands. I take that as a sign of balance and stability in the bike. I could do it briefly on various other frames, but nothing like the Rivs. Maybe it's meaningless, but I find it both useful and pleasant on long rides. Jay -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
Re: [RBW] Re: Grant Petersen Interview up on the Gravel & Grind website
That's a nice explanation that is more specific than my general thoughts along those lines. I have a 1984 Trek 830 ATB that handles like a dream and it has long chainstays, a low bb and what I consider a short F-C (580mm ett). I found that to get comfortable on the bike, I needed a low angle (7 degree, I think) 120mm stem but that threw the handling all off and I didn't even like riding the bike. I switched to a higher angle, 110mm stem and it handles like a dream but I'm not comfortable due to the shortened distance to the handlebars. OTOH, my Karate Monkey has a 600mm ETT and with a 17 degree, 100mm stem, it's quite comfortable but the steering isn't very intuitive. I switched to a very high angle, 110mm stem (equivalent to a 7 degree, 85mm stem) and it now handles like a dream but is slightly less comfortable than it was, again, due to a shortened distance to the handlebars. Overall, both bikes are dialed in on the handling and both are less comfortable than they could be, but the KM is the better compromise between the two so I ride it more often. Both bikes are set up so that the handlebar obscures the front hub. I don't know if that's just a coincidence, or if there really is something to that almost universal recommendation. On Friday, July 28, 2017 at 12:36:49 PM UTC-5, Mitch Harris wrote: > > > > On Friday, July 28, 2017 at 10:51:12 AM UTC-6, Patrick Moore wrote: >> >> I'd be *very* interested to learn more about this, and how it relates to >> f-c, trail, hta, tires, and so forth. Anyone? >> > > > Keeping the right balance of weight on the front wheel helps with that > nice turn-in you describe. It can be a challenge with any bike intended for > fendered use by people who don't like toe overlap, where designers are > trying to maximize front-center to keep toes out of fenders. That can be > mitigated a little in a low trail bike because an extra 20mm fork offset > puts the wheel further away. But in general low trail designs have longer > front-center than some, if only because of more fork offset. Mtbs > got elongated front-centers for endo-prevention from the late 90s > on--Fischer called it Genesis Geometry. Plus there's been a decades long > trend of preference for short chainstays. All this tends to take weight off > the front wheel (in the last instance of mtbs that was intended). Add to > that the front-end-lightening general trend for high handlebars in the RBW, > 600B, iBob world, and you can lose that nice front-weighted turn-in feel. > Long chainstays move weight back forward to the front end, all else equal, > and you see that in Riv models. Perhaps Grant has found a way to make a > bike intended for high bars, fenders, and no toe-overlap that nevertheless > keeps weight on the front wheel (by balancing a short as possible > front-center with long chainstays and low bb) for that planted feel > with responsive turn initiation. > > --Mitch > > > (non-Riv) low trail designs because extra fork offset can put the wheel > 20mm further out there (a lot). > -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
Re: [RBW] Re: Grant Petersen Interview up on the Gravel & Grind website
On Friday, July 28, 2017 at 10:51:12 AM UTC-6, Patrick Moore wrote: > > I'd be *very* interested to learn more about this, and how it relates to > f-c, trail, hta, tires, and so forth. Anyone? > Keeping the right balance of weight on the front wheel helps with that nice turn-in you describe. It can be a challenge with any bike intended for fendered use by people who don't like toe overlap, where designers are trying to maximize front-center to keep toes out of fenders. That can be mitigated a little in a low trail bike because an extra 20mm fork offset puts the wheel further away. But in general low trail designs have longer front-center than some, if only because of more fork offset. Mtbs got elongated front-centers for endo-prevention from the late 90s on--Fischer called it Genesis Geometry. Plus there's been a decades long trend of preference for short chainstays. All this tends to take weight off the front wheel (in the last instance of mtbs that was intended). Add to that the front-end-lightening general trend for high handlebars in the RBW, 600B, iBob world, and you can lose that nice front-weighted turn-in feel. Long chainstays move weight back forward to the front end, all else equal, and you see that in Riv models. Perhaps Grant has found a way to make a bike intended for high bars, fenders, and no toe-overlap that nevertheless keeps weight on the front wheel (by balancing a short as possible front-center with long chainstays and low bb) for that planted feel with responsive turn initiation. --Mitch (non-Riv) low trail designs because extra fork offset can put the wheel 20mm further out there (a lot). -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
Re: [RBW] Re: Grant Petersen Interview up on the Gravel & Grind website
The only thing I can think of is weight distribution. To me, lower handlbars (ie, more weight on the front wheel) feels better than higher handlebars (less weight on front wheel). It's always a balancing act between handling and comfort. I hope there is some secret that will give me both! On Friday, July 28, 2017 at 11:51:12 AM UTC-5, Patrick Moore wrote: > > I'd be *very* interested to learn more about this, and how it relates to > f-c, trail, hta, tires, and so forth. Anyone? > > On Fri, Jul 28, 2017 at 10:04 AM, 'Chris Lampe 2' via RBW Owners Bunch < > rbw-owne...@googlegroups.com > wrote: > >> [Snippo ...] >> 3) Grant has made a similar comment on handlebar height affecting >> handling but he would not elaborate on the specifics. >> >> >> >> -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
Re: [RBW] Re: Grant Petersen Interview up on the Gravel & Grind website
I'd be *very* interested to learn more about this, and how it relates to f-c, trail, hta, tires, and so forth. Anyone? On Fri, Jul 28, 2017 at 10:04 AM, 'Chris Lampe 2' via RBW Owners Bunch < rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com> wrote: > [Snippo ...] > 3) Grant has made a similar comment on handlebar height affecting > handling but he would not elaborate on the specifics. > > > > -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
[RBW] Re: Grant Petersen Interview up on the Gravel & Grind website
Yeah. Front center is where my mind immediately went. I feel like he's said that pretty explicitly at some point, about how front center is more important to him than trail. I could very well be misremembering though. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
[RBW] Re: Grant Petersen Interview up on the Gravel & Grind website
Caught my attention as well and I hope it becomes a topic for discussion. Some of my thoughts on what it might be: 1) Riv geo charts always list a front-center measurement. I think most bike companies don't list this measurement. 2) I remember Grant referencing a shorter front-end and a longer rear-end as being preferable. 3) Grant has made a similar comment on handlebar height affecting handling but he would not elaborate on the specifics. On Thursday, July 27, 2017 at 2:15:21 PM UTC-5, dougP wrote: > > That part really caught my attention. It lends credence to the notion > that trail can't be talked about in isolation, but is just one element of > the complete design. Given Grant's refusal to get into the scrum of trail > discussions, we'll all just have to keep guessing what the magic parameter > is. Ah, I can hear another thread opening even now. > > dougP > > On Thursday, July 27, 2017 at 9:02:19 AM UTC-7, Peter Turskovitch wrote: >> >> Grant, from the interview: >> >> "Also, there’s another steering/bike handling parameter that probably >> matters more, although it’s far less well-known than trail is. Everybody at >> Rivendell knows what it is, we have a name for it, and all of our bikes are >> designed with it in mind. That’s true whether it’s me designing a new >> model, or Will or Roman or Mark working on a limited-run Rosco Bubbe. >> Everybody here knows, but I’m not going to say what it is, because it’s >> another can of worms, and it’ll attract the meanest mathematicians and >> physicists on the internet. Why do that?" >> >> What does everybody think he^s talking about here? I think he's referring >> to where the rider's center of gravity sits between the hubs, ie "chainstay >> length". >> > -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
[RBW] Re: Grant Petersen Interview up on the Gravel & Grind website
That part really caught my attention. It lends credence to the notion that trail can't be talked about in isolation, but is just one element of the complete design. Given Grant's refusal to get into the scrum of trail discussions, we'll all just have to keep guessing what the magic parameter is. Ah, I can hear another thread opening even now. dougP On Thursday, July 27, 2017 at 9:02:19 AM UTC-7, Peter Turskovitch wrote: > > Grant, from the interview: > > "Also, there’s another steering/bike handling parameter that probably > matters more, although it’s far less well-known than trail is. Everybody at > Rivendell knows what it is, we have a name for it, and all of our bikes are > designed with it in mind. That’s true whether it’s me designing a new > model, or Will or Roman or Mark working on a limited-run Rosco Bubbe. > Everybody here knows, but I’m not going to say what it is, because it’s > another can of worms, and it’ll attract the meanest mathematicians and > physicists on the internet. Why do that?" > > What does everybody think he^s talking about here? I think he's referring > to where the rider's center of gravity sits between the hubs, ie "chainstay > length". > -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
Re: [RBW] Re: Grant Petersen Interview up on the Gravel & Grind website
Bill L had an idea -- front center; this is another guess. Perhaps it's both. All I know is that they've discovered a magic elixer of some sort. And let the meanies bite. Their refutation is in the ride quality. On Thu, Jul 27, 2017 at 9:59 AM, Peter Turskovitchwrote: > Grant, from the interview: > > "Also, there’s another steering/bike handling parameter that probably > matters more, although it’s far less well-known than trail is. Everybody at > Rivendell knows what it is, we have a name for it, and all of our bikes are > designed with it in mind. That’s true whether it’s me designing a new > model, or Will or Roman or Mark working on a limited-run Rosco Bubbe. > Everybody here knows, but I’m not going to say what it is, because it’s > another can of worms, and it’ll attract the meanest mathematicians and > physicists on the internet. Why do that?" > > What does everybody think he^s talking about here? I think he's referring > to where the rider's center of gravity sits between the hubs, ie "chainstay > length". > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "RBW Owners Bunch" group. > To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an > email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. > To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. > Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. > For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. > -- Resumes, LinkedIn profiles, bios, and letters that get interviews. By-the-hour resume and LinkedIn coaching. Other professional writing services. http://www.resumespecialties.com/ www.linkedin.com/in/patrickmooreresumespec/ Patrick Moore Alburquerque, Nouvelle Mexique, Vereinigte Staaten ** ** *Interested in trading resume, LinkedIn, and other writing work for professional (professional) help with marketing and growing my resumes, etc. business. Respondents should have considerable experience in helping small, online businesses grow. Please contact me at patrickmo...@resumespecialties.com . Thanks.* -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
[RBW] Re: Grant Petersen Interview up on the Gravel & Grind website
Grant, from the interview: "Also, there’s another steering/bike handling parameter that probably matters more, although it’s far less well-known than trail is. Everybody at Rivendell knows what it is, we have a name for it, and all of our bikes are designed with it in mind. That’s true whether it’s me designing a new model, or Will or Roman or Mark working on a limited-run Rosco Bubbe. Everybody here knows, but I’m not going to say what it is, because it’s another can of worms, and it’ll attract the meanest mathematicians and physicists on the internet. Why do that?" What does everybody think he^s talking about here? I think he's referring to where the rider's center of gravity sits between the hubs, ie "chainstay length". -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
[RBW] Re: Grant Petersen Interview up on the Gravel & Grind website
Thanks James, I enjoyed it. Will your shop do another Bridgestone/Rivendell owners ride this year? I missed last year's. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
[RBW] Re: Grant Petersen Interview up on the Gravel & Grind website
James: Thanks for the link. Great interview. A second piece chronicaling the ride would be welcome. dougP On Wednesday, July 26, 2017 at 2:01:00 PM UTC-7, Gravel & Grind Espresso + Bikes wrote: > > Hey all, > > Candice, our mechanic here at Gravel & Grind, recently went to Riv HQ and > spent the day interviewing Grant. The write up is here: > http://gravelandgrind.com/rivendell-grant-petersen/ > > I know some of you probably saw this on the FB group, but some folks don't > read both so here it is again. > > Best, > > james > -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.