Re: [RE-wrenches] Flickering lights on off grid AC coupled radian system

[jay]

I’ve never had LED flicker on the inverter but when battery charging for sure.  

The radian has a setting for that.

jay



> On Feb 4, 2022, at 2:12 PM, Bradley Bassett  wrote:
> 
> I’ve had LED lights, with multiples in one fixture, flicker on grid power. 
> 
> Brad
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
>> On Feb 4, 2022, at 7:18 AM, Dana Orzel  wrote:
>> 
>> Ditto on misc flickering w LEDs on my Off grid Radian system 
>> I have some LEDs that are absolutely stable all the time and some of the 
>> smaller I guess I’d call them decorative type ones in a hanging lamp over a 
>> dining table seem to be unstable all the time and I would attribute that to 
>> Cheaper less reliable electronics in the LEDs & more so when are dimmed down 
>> .
>> 
>> 
>> Dana Orzel
>> C: 208.721.7003
>> E- d...@solarwork.com
>> 
>>> On Feb 4, 2022, at 8:09 AM, drake.chamber...@redwoodalliance.org wrote:
>>> 
>>> Some LEDs will flicker at times with off grid AC coupled systems. I've 
>>> seen this with Outback and Magnum. Some brands of LED seem stable.
>>> 
>>> Drake Chamberlin
>>> Athens Electric LLC
>>> Ohio Electrical Contractor’s License 44810
>>> CO Master Electrician’s License 4526
>>> NABCEP Certified PV Installation Professional
>>> 
>>> 
>>> ---
>>> 
>>> 
 On 2022-02-02 14:59, Lars Ortegren wrote:
 
 Wrenches,
 I'm hoping to solve an issue we've had with a couple of our off grid AC 
 coupled systems. We have had multiple reports of different LED and 
 traditional ballasted fluorescent systems "flickering" during the day when 
 the AC systems are producing power. We havent had issues with other off 
 grid AC coupling using Sunny Islands, or even old VFX inverters, but this 
 does seem to be an issue directly related to the Radians.I'm wondering if 
 any of you have had experience with this, and if you found any hacks to 
 "clean up" the power?
 --
 Lars Örtegren
 General Manager
 Co-Founder
 Worker-Owner
 He/Him
 https://www.cal-solar.coop/
 530 274 3671 | ext 307
 l...@cal-solar.com
 www.Cal-Solar.coop
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Re: [RE-wrenches] Outback Radian transfer time

[jay]

HI Eric,

Check that the transfer delay is as short as it can go, about 6 cycles

You might raise the lower voltage limit from 108

Check to make sure all the voltage readings on each inverter are as close as 
possible.  A real weakness of the OB platform is that you have to calibrate 
each item:  

And depending on how you have the power save mode configured, if might be that 
if you can get the generator to drop out with just 1 inverter active that might 
eliminate the transfer delay issues.

Let us know what you find.

jay





> On Feb 4, 2022, at 7:48 AM, Eric Smiley  wrote:
> 
> I have an off grid system with three GS8048A inverters. 
> Every time it switches from generator charging to inverting - at the end of 
> absorption - the lights flicker and a propane boiler in the house goes into 
> fault. 
> I'm using Advanced AGS on the Mate3S.
> 
> The loads don't exceed about 6 kW right now.
> 
> Does anyone know if there's a way to reduce the transfer time? The transition 
> to charging is smooth. I don't understand why it's so clunky transitioning 
> back to inverting.
> 
> 
> Eric Smiley
> Project Manager, North Island
> 
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Re: [RE-wrenches] Flickering lights on off grid AC coupled radian system

[Bradley Bassett]

I’ve had LED lights, with multiples in one fixture, flicker on grid power. 

Brad

Sent from my iPhone

> On Feb 4, 2022, at 7:18 AM, Dana Orzel  wrote:
> 
> Ditto on misc flickering w LEDs on my Off grid Radian system 
> I have some LEDs that are absolutely stable all the time and some of the 
> smaller I guess I’d call them decorative type ones in a hanging lamp over a 
> dining table seem to be unstable all the time and I would attribute that to 
> Cheaper less reliable electronics in the LEDs & more so when are dimmed down .
> 
> 
> Dana Orzel
> C: 208.721.7003
> E- d...@solarwork.com
> 
>> On Feb 4, 2022, at 8:09 AM, drake.chamber...@redwoodalliance.org wrote:
>> 
>> Some LEDs will flicker at times with off grid AC coupled systems. I've seen 
>> this with Outback and Magnum. Some brands of LED seem stable.
>> 
>> Drake Chamberlin
>> Athens Electric LLC
>> Ohio Electrical Contractor’s License 44810
>> CO Master Electrician’s License 4526
>> NABCEP Certified PV Installation Professional
>> 
>> 
>> ---
>> 
>> 
>>> On 2022-02-02 14:59, Lars Ortegren wrote:
>>> 
>>> Wrenches,
>>> I'm hoping to solve an issue we've had with a couple of our off grid AC 
>>> coupled systems. We have had multiple reports of different LED and 
>>> traditional ballasted fluorescent systems "flickering" during the day when 
>>> the AC systems are producing power. We havent had issues with other off 
>>> grid AC coupling using Sunny Islands, or even old VFX inverters, but this 
>>> does seem to be an issue directly related to the Radians.I'm wondering if 
>>> any of you have had experience with this, and if you found any hacks to 
>>> "clean up" the power?
>>> --
>>> Lars Örtegren
>>> General Manager
>>> Co-Founder
>>> Worker-Owner
>>> He/Him
>>> https://www.cal-solar.coop/
>>> 530 274 3671 | ext 307
>>> l...@cal-solar.com
>>> www.Cal-Solar.coop
>>> 149 E. Main St, Grass Valley, CA 95945
>>> NABCEP: #PVI-091110-89
>>> CSLB #779624
>>> https://www.amicussolar.com/ https://www.nabcep.org/
>>> https://californiasolarco.com/quote/
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[RE-wrenches] Optics Event History changed

[William Miller]

Friends:



For those of you using Optics, the Event History page has changed.  There
is a filter drop-down that you need to use to see things like AGS
activation.  I did not notice this at first and it caused me some brief
confusion and wasted time.  Hopefully this heads-up will save you from the
same fate.



William



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17395 Oak Road, Atascadero, CA 93422

805-438-5600

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[RE-wrenches] Enphase Regional Sales Rep

[Lou Russo]

Aloha All,

Does anyone have the contact info for the Enphase sales rep for Hawaii ( I
believe the same person is in charge of Northern CA as well) ?

The number I have does not work and customer support was of no help.
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Re: [RE-wrenches] Flickering lights on off grid AC coupled radian system

[Dana Orzel]

Ditto on misc flickering w LEDs on my Off grid Radian system 
I have some LEDs that are absolutely stable all the time and some of the 
smaller I guess I’d call them decorative type ones in a hanging lamp over a 
dining table seem to be unstable all the time and I would attribute that to 
Cheaper less reliable electronics in the LEDs & more so when are dimmed down .


Dana Orzel
C: 208.721.7003
E- d...@solarwork.com

> On Feb 4, 2022, at 8:09 AM, drake.chamber...@redwoodalliance.org wrote:
> 
> Some LEDs will flicker at times with off grid AC coupled systems. I've seen 
> this with Outback and Magnum. Some brands of LED seem stable.
> 
> Drake Chamberlin
> Athens Electric LLC
> Ohio Electrical Contractor’s License 44810
> CO Master Electrician’s License 4526
> NABCEP Certified PV Installation Professional
> 
> 
> ---
> 
> 
>> On 2022-02-02 14:59, Lars Ortegren wrote:
>> 
>> Wrenches,
>> I'm hoping to solve an issue we've had with a couple of our off grid AC 
>> coupled systems. We have had multiple reports of different LED and 
>> traditional ballasted fluorescent systems "flickering" during the day when 
>> the AC systems are producing power. We havent had issues with other off grid 
>> AC coupling using Sunny Islands, or even old VFX inverters, but this does 
>> seem to be an issue directly related to the Radians.I'm wondering if any of 
>> you have had experience with this, and if you found any hacks to "clean up" 
>> the power?
>> --
>> Lars Örtegren
>> General Manager
>> Co-Founder
>> Worker-Owner
>> He/Him
>> https://www.cal-solar.coop/
>> 530 274 3671 | ext 307
>> l...@cal-solar.com
>> www.Cal-Solar.coop
>> 149 E. Main St, Grass Valley, CA 95945
>> NABCEP: #PVI-091110-89
>> CSLB #779624
>> https://www.amicussolar.com/ https://www.nabcep.org/
>> https://californiasolarco.com/quote/
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Re: [RE-wrenches] Flickering lights on off grid AC coupled radian system

[drake . chamberlin]

Some LEDs will flicker at times with off grid AC coupled systems. I've 
seen this with Outback and Magnum. Some brands of LED seem stable.


Drake Chamberlin
Athens Electric LLC
Ohio Electrical Contractor’s License 44810
CO Master Electrician’s License 4526
NABCEP Certified PV Installation Professional


---


On 2022-02-02 14:59, Lars Ortegren wrote:


Wrenches,
I'm hoping to solve an issue we've had with a couple of our off grid AC 
coupled systems. We have had multiple reports of different LED and 
traditional ballasted fluorescent systems "flickering" during the day 
when the AC systems are producing power. We havent had issues with 
other off grid AC coupling using Sunny Islands, or even old VFX 
inverters, but this does seem to be an issue directly related to the 
Radians.I'm wondering if any of you have had experience with this, and 
if you found any hacks to "clean up" the power?

--

Lars Örtegren

General Manager

Co-Founder

Worker-Owner

He/Him

https://www.cal-solar.coop/

530 274 3671 | ext 307

l...@cal-solar.com

www.Cal-Solar.coop

149 E. Main St, Grass Valley, CA 95945

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CSLB #779624

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https://californiasolarco.com/quote/
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Re: [RE-wrenches] Outback Radian transfer time

[Howie Michaelson]

Not sure about the radians (I've rarely used them) but with the VFX series,
that symptom can sometimes be avoided by programming a cool down period so
that the inverters drop the generator while it is still running at full
speed.  Alternatively, by narrowing the generator voltage window at the
bottom end, the inverters will potentially drop the generator connection
before the voltage output gets too low as the generator shuts down.
Hope this helps,
Howie

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On Fri, Feb 4, 2022 at 9:49 AM Eric Smiley  wrote:

> I have an off grid system with three GS8048A inverters.
> Every time it switches from generator charging to inverting - at the end
> of absorption - the lights flicker and a propane boiler in the house goes
> into fault.
> I'm using Advanced AGS on the Mate3S.
>
> The loads don't exceed about 6 kW right now.
>
> Does anyone know if there's a way to reduce the transfer time? The
> transition to charging is smooth. I don't understand why it's so clunky
> transitioning back to inverting.
>
>
> Eric Smiley
> Project Manager, North Island
>
> E:  e...@vecoop.ca
> T:  1-888-386-0116 ext 702 (toll free)
> C:  250-703-6004
> W:  viridianenergy.ca
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[RE-wrenches] Outback Radian transfer time

[Eric Smiley]

I have an off grid system with three GS8048A inverters.
Every time it switches from generator charging to inverting - at the end of
absorption - the lights flicker and a propane boiler in the house goes into
fault.
I'm using Advanced AGS on the Mate3S.

The loads don't exceed about 6 kW right now.

Does anyone know if there's a way to reduce the transfer time? The
transition to charging is smooth. I don't understand why it's so clunky
transitioning back to inverting.


Eric Smiley
Project Manager, North Island

E:  e...@vecoop.ca
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