RE: Deleting - Re: [biofuel] Politics and Biofuels
I share my database, Keith :) --- Martin Klingensmith nnytech.net infoarchive.net -Original Message- From: Keith Addison [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, February 28, 2003 9:23 AM To: biofuel@yahoogroups.com Subject: Deleting - Re: [biofuel] Politics and Biofuels A major advantage of subject-specific mailing lists like this one is that you quickly build up a considerable onboard information resource - your own database on biofuels. Best Keith Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://archive.nnytech.net/ Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
RE: Deleting - Re: [biofuel] Politics and Biofuels
I share my database, Keith :) Indeed you do Martin, and a lot of us are very grateful for that. No, not good enough, needs a shout - VERY GRATEFUL! :-) It's one helluva lot better than Yahoo's ever-less-usable message archives. Let's try that again: USE MARTIN'S ARCHIVES!! But... not just one archives but two, one of them excellent, it's referenced at the end of every message, nearly 22,000 posts in it now, three years' worth, more than 100 megabytes covering just about every conceivable aspect of biofuels and biofuels issues, in depth, fast and easy to use... But people still come crashing in shouting the odds and laying down the law, wanting lots of attention with old-hat stuff that's been thoroughly dealt with here time and again, it's right under their noses but they don't see it. And then they get all taken aback when the list members somehow inexplicably fail to roll out the red carpet for them. More than 1,800 members now in our two lists, plus another couple of thousand who've come and gone, having found what they wanted and left much of value behind. Why would a person think we don't maybe know a thing or two by now? But there's just no helping some folks. I can't help agreeing with Todd: Ancient Arabian proverb: It is not a wise man who makes much flatulence in a tent filled with strangers. Never mind, for all the noise they're a very tiny minority, a lot of other people use the archives and appreciate it. Regards Keith --- Martin Klingensmith nnytech.net infoarchive.net -Original Message- From: Keith Addison [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, February 28, 2003 9:23 AM To: biofuel@yahoogroups.com Subject: Deleting - Re: [biofuel] Politics and Biofuels A major advantage of subject-specific mailing lists like this one is that you quickly build up a considerable onboard information resource - your own database on biofuels. Best Keith Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://archive.nnytech.net/ Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: Deleting - Re: [biofuel] Politics and Biofuels
Keith, I understand, what you are talking about, and while I do have a 20 gig hard drive in my computer, I also have a number of hobbies and interest. For each of these, I may be on up to 3 or 4 list ( or more ), with a mail box for each, with further break down of boxes for specific info, that I want to categorize. For example: My wife and I share the same e-mail address, so we both have our own separate folders. Within my folder I have a number of folders to include one for Research, in Research, I have a folder for energy. In the energy folder I have sub-folders for Bio-energy, Bio-fuel, Digestion, Energy Options, Fuel cells, Gasification, Thermoelectric, and Wastewatts. These are all groups that I'm am or have been a member of, or specific types of energy production. A rough total for all of these folders is 8,500 e-mails ( and that is not including sub-folders even within these ), I know for a fact that in another primary subject folder, I have over 10,000 e-mails ( and that is not including the e-mails in over a hundred sub-folders in that general category ). While allot of info is good, stuff that will not be of use three days, a week, a month from now really does not need to be saved. If I know that I will not be able to attend a biofuel making seminar that is coming up next month, why save it when I need the disk space for other things, that will be of indefinite use? If one person post a link to a good web site, I can save space by going to the web site and down loading the page, than saving the post with the link, and the thirty comments that fallow it ( unless there is info wrong on the site ). At times I may receive 500+ e-mails a day ( this is really true if two or more list get a hot topic at the same time ), and if I did not go through and wholesale delete some things that I don't have interest in ( or is of no use to me ) I would run out of disk space in a hurry. If I could, I would crop many of the post I get, down to just the info I need ( like highlighting the relevant parts of a text book ), but my e-mail program won't let me do that ( in fact I don't know of any program that would / could do that ). Greg H. - Original Message - From: Keith Addison [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: biofuel@yahoogroups.com Sent: Friday, February 28, 2003 07:23 Subject: Deleting - Re: [biofuel] Politics and Biofuels Not picking on you, lots of people talk of deleting posts - but why? I know a few people still use low-capacity hard-disks, but for most disk capacity isn't a problem, with 10, 20, 40, 80 and more gigabyte disks standard now for some while, and fast machines that handle large amounts of data in no time. I regularly ask people please to crop irrelevant stuff (and multiple footers!) from their posts, but that's to save bandwidth, not disk space, and out of consideration for members with slow and/or expensive connections (often the case in 3rd World countries) and perhaps old gear. IMO it makes more sense to keep all posts. Deleting them is judging in advance what you may find useful later, and as an info-professional of long standing I can tell you that's not a judgment you can make with any assurance. A major advantage of subject-specific mailing lists like this one is that you quickly build up a considerable onboard information resource - your own database on biofuels. This list's database is a fabulous resource, I use it all the time, so do many others. (And it sure adds a little much-needed perspective to those few who complain that all we do here is discuss off-topic political crap, LOL!) You don't build up much in the way of resources if you keep deleting stuff. With a computer it doesn't really matter what's there, it doesn't take perceptibly longer to search 20Mb than 10Mb, and the more that's in there the more depth and breadth it has, and the better your search results will be. Your email program should be able to do a full-text search of a mailbox. That is, you create a mailbox for the Biofuel list, call it Biofuel, and set a filter to send all incoming messages with the header To: biofuel@yahoogroups.com to that mailbox. If your emailer can't do that, and do a proper search, get one that can. After a month the mailbox gets a bit full, so make a new one for the next month and put last month's one in a folder on your hard disk, which you can search with a full-text search program. This mkakes the best use of the information you're receiving, and it will also improve your experience of mailing lists, and of Internet communications generally. And it's a lot easier than hitting the Delete button all the time. By the way, your emailer also should be able to sort messages by date (usually the default), by name of sender, and by subject, which makes everything much easier. If you don't have a capable emailer you're getting a keyhole view of what mailing lists are all about. Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http
Re: Deleting - Re: [biofuel] Politics and Biofuels
Hi Greg Sounds familiar... I know you're not a novice at this, and we're on many of the same lists, so I know you get around. And I don't want to suggest that you change the system you've developed. But (you knew that was coming, eh? - LOL!) there are a couple of things that still don't add up for me. I imagine your machine's as fast and capable as mine is, more or less - probably not much in it. Your HD is 20Gb, mine's 40Gb, but it doesn't make any difference, my disk is still three-quarters empty - it says 8.50 Gb on disk for 73,519 items, very many of which contain many more items, I've no idea how many altogether. Apart from mailing lists, other correspondence and the databases I mentioned, there's also a rather large website, with its own large set of info databases, and correspondence, and yet another such for Journey to Forever itself (the project rather than the website). And a whole bunch of other stuff, including a digital library with a couple of thousand books (and sort-of books) in it, plus a lot of journalism stuff. I get 600-800 emails a day, a lot of that being feedback for Journey to Forever, which needs response and proper management. But I never delete anything. Do you really need to save space? Do you have a good full-text search program? Best wishes Keith Keith, I understand, what you are talking about, and while I do have a 20 gig hard drive in my computer, I also have a number of hobbies and interest. For each of these, I may be on up to 3 or 4 list ( or more ), with a mail box for each, with further break down of boxes for specific info, that I want to categorize. For example: My wife and I share the same e-mail address, so we both have our own separate folders. Within my folder I have a number of folders to include one for Research, in Research, I have a folder for energy. In the energy folder I have sub-folders for Bio-energy, Bio-fuel, Digestion, Energy Options, Fuel cells, Gasification, Thermoelectric, and Wastewatts. These are all groups that I'm am or have been a member of, or specific types of energy production. A rough total for all of these folders is 8,500 e-mails ( and that is not including sub-folders even within these ), I know for a fact that in another primary subject folder, I have over 10,000 e-mails ( and that is not including the e-mails in over a hundred sub-folders in that general category ). While allot of info is good, stuff that will not be of use three days, a week, a month from now really does not need to be saved. If I know that I will not be able to attend a biofuel making seminar that is coming up next month, why save it when I need the disk space for other things, that will be of indefinite use? If one person post a link to a good web site, I can save space by going to the web site and down loading the page, than saving the post with the link, and the thirty comments that fallow it ( unless there is info wrong on the site ). At times I may receive 500+ e-mails a day ( this is really true if two or more list get a hot topic at the same time ), and if I did not go through and wholesale delete some things that I don't have interest in ( or is of no use to me ) I would run out of disk space in a hurry. If I could, I would crop many of the post I get, down to just the info I need ( like highlighting the relevant parts of a text book ), but my e-mail program won't let me do that ( in fact I don't know of any program that would / could do that ). Greg H. - Original Message - From: Keith Addison [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: biofuel@yahoogroups.com Sent: Friday, February 28, 2003 07:23 Subject: Deleting - Re: [biofuel] Politics and Biofuels Not picking on you, lots of people talk of deleting posts - but why? I know a few people still use low-capacity hard-disks, but for most disk capacity isn't a problem, with 10, 20, 40, 80 and more gigabyte disks standard now for some while, and fast machines that handle large amounts of data in no time. I regularly ask people please to crop irrelevant stuff (and multiple footers!) from their posts, but that's to save bandwidth, not disk space, and out of consideration for members with slow and/or expensive connections (often the case in 3rd World countries) and perhaps old gear. IMO it makes more sense to keep all posts. Deleting them is judging in advance what you may find useful later, and as an info-professional of long standing I can tell you that's not a judgment you can make with any assurance. A major advantage of subject-specific mailing lists like this one is that you quickly build up a considerable onboard information resource - your own database on biofuels. This list's database is a fabulous resource, I use it all the time, so do many others. (And it sure adds a little much-needed perspective to those few who complain that all we do here is discuss off-topic political crap, LOL!) You don't build up much in the way of resources
Re: Deleting - Re: [biofuel] Politics and Biofuels
I also have a little PC game habit, and while the habit is little, the games are not ( strategic tactical sim. type games ). :-P And like I said before, I am sharing the computer with the wife, and she has her own agenda ( which does not include getting rid of outdated stuff ). Greg H. - Original Message - From: Keith Addison [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: biofuel@yahoogroups.com Sent: Friday, February 28, 2003 12:22 Subject: Re: Deleting - Re: [biofuel] Politics and Biofuels Hi Greg Sounds familiar... I know you're not a novice at this, and we're on many of the same lists, so I know you get around. And I don't want to suggest that you change the system you've developed. But (you knew that was coming, eh? - LOL!) there are a couple of things that still don't add up for me. I imagine your machine's as fast and capable as mine is, more or less - probably not much in it. Your HD is 20Gb, mine's 40Gb, but it doesn't make any difference, my disk is still three-quarters empty - it says 8.50 Gb on disk for 73,519 items, very many of which contain many more items, I've no idea how many altogether. Apart from mailing lists, other correspondence and the databases I mentioned, there's also a rather large website, with its own large set of info databases, and correspondence, and yet another such for Journey to Forever itself (the project rather than the website). And a whole bunch of other stuff, including a digital library with a couple of thousand books (and sort-of books) in it, plus a lot of journalism stuff. I get 600-800 emails a day, a lot of that being feedback for Journey to Forever, which needs response and proper management. But I never delete anything. Do you really need to save space? Do you have a good full-text search program? Best wishes Keith Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://archive.nnytech.net/ Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
