Re: [Biofuel] Biodiesel in V6 diesel engine
Jason Mier wrote: thats because the old american diesels were poorly designed (being modified gassers) and burned out after a few sickly weak years. Robert's post pointed out the myth about the GM Diesels being modified Oldsmobile Gasoline engines. Oddly, wikipedia articles both perpetuate and dispel the myth. Most likely I hadn't seen a vehicle equipped with a GM V6 diesel is because this is an agriculture and oil field area. Full sized family sedans where expected to be able to work as hard as a pickup if need be and would have V8 power. Many around here do miss the availability pickups and full sized sedans with the GM 5.7 diesel. Just too far away from the big cities to buy imported models. Doug, N0LKK Kansas USA inc. ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] Dick Cheney is right
Respectfully this is old news. Americans ignored it when it was trotted out before the run up to the Iraq invasion. Even with the fact his words have proven true, I doubt that many more Americans are going to care today. I don't believe it would change things if there where. This Administration is suicidally stubborn and this Congress is too timid to figuratively grab the administration by the lapels and throw it against a wall and proceed to pound some sense into it. Doug, N0LKK Kansas USA inc. ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] Weapons of mass destruction finally found
In this Catholic area, 2-3-4 kids seems to be typical, but 6 or more isn't unheard of. I would have a difficult time labeling any of those women anything less then empowered. Doug, N0LKK Kansas USA inc. Zeke Yewdall wrote: On 8/16/07, Keith Addison [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: the evidence shows that as people's economic situation improves, as soon as they're not too poverty-stricken to feed their children, their breeding rate slows right down. The surefire way to do that is to empower the women, and especially to educate the women. Statistically, this probably is true. But in my experience, portions of the US are not doing very well at this. The Mormon church in Utah (about 60 of my relatives) still seems to be averaging 4 or more children per family, even in good economic situations. True, this is way less than alot of the developing world, but still way higher than most of the developed world. I'm not as familiar with the evangelical movement in the US, but I get them impression that empowering women is not a high priority of theirs either. Z ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] Dick Cheney is right
It was the first time I'd seen it... Doug Younker wrote: Respectfully this is old news. Americans ignored it when it was trotted out before the run up to the Iraq invasion. Even with the fact his words have proven true, I doubt that many more Americans are going to care today. I don't believe it would change things if there where. This Administration is suicidally stubborn and this Congress is too timid to figuratively grab the administration by the lapels and throw it against a wall and proceed to pound some sense into it. Doug, N0LKK Kansas USA inc. ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
[Biofuel] Bloody outrage
My Encounter with [Insert Scary Music] ... Socialized Medicine! My foot had been sore for a couple of weeks and it wasn’t getting better. I usually would ignore that, but we were about to leave on a two-week vacation with my wife Joy’s parents to celebrate both of our big anniversaries (their 50th and our 10th). Then I have to fly to Singapore for the World Vision triennial conference. So I wouldn’t be back home for many weeks and my Washington, D.C., health care provider (over the phone) strongly urged me to see a doctor in London before we left. http://go.sojo.net/ct/LdqJeuM1xzC5/ Get a free issue of /Sojourners/ http://go.sojo.net/ct/LdqJeuM1xzC5/ I realized then that I was about to have my first encounter with SOCIALIZED MEDICINE! Now it’s one thing to advocate health care reform in America and even to be politically sympathetic to the idea of a single-payer government-supported system like they have in most of the world’s developed and civilized countries (such as Canada, Germany, and Great Britain). But it was another thing to actually go to the emergency room (or ER, but in the U.K. they call it Accident and Emergency) of a hospital in the British National Health Service. After all, I had heard the horror stories—long waits in incompetent, dirty, and substandard medical facilities; bad doctors and faulty diagnoses; and, of course, incredible bureaucracies like everything in socialist systems. Rush Limbaugh and every other conservative pundit have warned us all in America about the horrific practices of British socialized medicine. So I prepared myself. I brought a big novel to read, along with my eyeglasses, a bottle of water (no telling what they would not have in socialized medicine), and emotionally steeled myself for the ordeal. Ann Stevens, the Anglican vicar with whom we stay in London (she’s my son Luke’s godmother and Joy’s old pal) took me to St. George’s hospital, dropped me off at A and E, and wished me luck at 9 a.m. Hoping I would be home that night for dinner, I took a deep breath, walked across the street, and made my way into socialized medicine. The waiting room was actually quite peaceful and not crowded, I noticed, as I walked up to reception. The woman at the reception desk smiled. I didn’t expect that. Can I help you? Yes, I replied, you see, I am an American—I guess you can tell—and I’m visiting family here—my wife is British—and we’re staying with our friend the vicar, and I have a sore foot, which I normally wouldn’t worry about but we’re going away for several weeks on vacation, and I called my health care provider in the U.S., and they told me to come in here and thought I should get an X-ray or something. (I wondered for a moment if it would help to tell them that I was a friend of the prime minister, but decided not.) What do you need from me? I asked hesitantly. Just your name and address, she replied with another smile. Oh ... Okay. She told me it would be about 10 minutes to see the nurse. Yeah right, I thought to myself. I settled into the waiting room chair, looked around at all the people who didn’t seem to be in any distress, and opened my book for a good long read. It was five minutes before the nurse called me in to a little office adjacent to the waiting area, which seemed to be an intake room. She was pleasant and professional as she asked me what was wrong, and how long I had felt the soreness. She gently examined my foot and then told me I would be called in to see a doctor in about 10 minutes. Sure thing, I thought. So I went back out to the waiting room and settled in again to read my novel. It was five minutes before a young woman appeared and called my name, Mr. Wallis? She was a young Asian doctor named Dr. Gillian Kyei. She was also very pleasant and professional, taking time to ask me lots of questions about how I might have hurt my foot, etc. She examined the injured foot carefully, told me that it didn’t necessarily look broken, but that we should get an X-ray to make sure. I waited in her examining room for a couple of minutes while she called down to the X-ray department to say that I was on the way. Then she came back and escorted me herself. When I got to X-ray, I checked in by just saying my name and took a seat in the waiting area. Finally, I was going to get to read my book! But five minutes later, the technician came out to bring me in. She took her time with me, taking several different angles of my foot. When I was done, she sent me back to my young doctor, with another smile. This time the wait was a full 10 minutes because, I later learned, Dr. Kyei was reading the results of my X-ray, which had already been sent to her computer. She showed me what looked to her like a fracture of my fourth metatarsal bone, but said she wanted to consult with the orthopedic specialist. I waited about 10 minutes more while she did that and so got a few more pages read. Dr. Kyei then came
Re: [Biofuel] Bloody outrage
- Original Message - From: Mike Weaver [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Friday, August 17, 2007 5:05 am Subject: [Biofuel] Bloody outrage To: Biofuel@sustainablelists.org My Encounter with [Insert Scary Music] ... Socialized Medicine! Gasp! snip I was back at Ann’s in just over an hour from when I left—with my letter, my boot, and my tale of smiling, pleasant, and efficient health care workers. And somehow I began to believe that back in America we weren’t being given the whole truth. And guess what? Ann tells me that David Beckham and Wayne Rooney, the biggest British soccer (football) stars, have had metatarsal bone fractures, just like mine. In about six weeks, I too will be back on the field, thanks to socialized medicine! I've lived under both systems, and there is NO WAY that I would ever desire to return to America's free market medicine. The system in the US works well if you have a lot of money, a category I have never fit into, and therefore did not have a good experience with health care in my own country, but here in Canada, when I have a medical issue I simply go to my family physician. Rush Limbaugh and the other ranting lunatics have it wrong, as usual . . . robert luis rabello ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] Bloody outrage
Hi Mike and all, Folks in America can't have everything. There have to be priorities. You can have the most expensive military in the world chasing ghosts or you can have national healthcare. Now in Uruguay I pay some pretty heavy taxes but everyone has healthcare. My prescriptions are U$5.00 each. They cost 10 times that in the states but at least there I can get frisked by airport security and photographed by a multitude of hidden cameras for my taxes. Now that's value. :- Tom Irwin Express yourself instantly with MSN Messenger! MSN Messenger Download today it's FREE! ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] Bloody outrage
So stay in Uruguay! -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Tom Irwin Sent: Friday, August 17, 2007 7:25 AM To: biofuel@sustainablelists.org Subject: Re: [Biofuel] Bloody outrage Hi Mike and all, Folks in America can't have everything. There have to be priorities. You can have the most expensive military in the world chasing ghosts or you can have national healthcare. Now in Uruguay I pay some pretty heavy taxes but everyone has healthcare. My prescriptions are U$5.00 each. They cost 10 times that in the states but at least there I can get frisked by airport security and photographed by a multitude of hidden cameras for my taxes. Now that's value. :- Tom Irwin _ Express yourself instantly with MSN Messenger! MSN Messenger http://g.msn.com/8HMBEN/2731??PS=47575 Download today it's FREE! ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] Bloody outrage
Hi Mike, all. Glad your experience was Ok. I'm in the UK a few years ago my dad had a nasty stroke, he waited on an ambulance trolley in AE for 7 hrs for a bed in a ward, he devoted his working life to the NHS as a brilliant ophthalmologist! I do have to say that sometimes our NHS may not be perfect all the time, but we are damn lucky to have it. I've used AE a good few times I'm glad it's there - I can't imagine living with the US system, it seems so elitist. The US spends trillions of $'s warmongering yet it can't provide healthcare for all, a basic human right it purports to promote. No offence to you at all Mike, but I'm glad I'm British ( there are a lot of things British that I'm not proud of) I wouldn't like the way the US behaves in the world on our collective conscience. Best regards Malcolm -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Mike Weaver Sent: 16 August 2007 15:05 To: Biofuel@sustainablelists.org Subject: [Biofuel] Bloody outrage My Encounter with [Insert Scary Music] ... Socialized Medicine! ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] Bloody outrage
Bush says we can have both the most expensive military in the world AND huge tax cuts for the wealthiest. So there. swalms wrote: So stay in Uruguay! -Original Message- *From:* [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] *On Behalf Of *Tom Irwin *Sent:* Friday, August 17, 2007 7:25 AM *To:* biofuel@sustainablelists.org *Subject:* Re: [Biofuel] Bloody outrage Hi Mike and all, Folks in America can't have everything. There have to be priorities. You can have the most expensive military in the world chasing ghosts or you can have national healthcare. Now in Uruguay I pay some pretty heavy taxes but everyone has healthcare. My prescriptions are U$5.00 each. They cost 10 times that in the states but at least there I can get frisked by airport security and photographed by a multitude of hidden cameras for my taxes. Now that's value. :- Tom Irwin Express yourself instantly with MSN Messenger! MSN Messenger http://g.msn.com/8HMBEN/2731??PS=47575 Download today it's FREE! ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] Bloody outrage
I think Mr. Rush Limbaugh knows a little more than you do about prescriptions, Mr. Smarty pants Canadian. Just how many Percocet prescriptions can you get from you family physician ? Eh? Eh? Probably none. That's why USA is #1! robert rabello wrote: - Original Message - From: Mike Weaver [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Friday, August 17, 2007 5:05 am Subject: [Biofuel] Bloody outrage To: Biofuel@sustainablelists.org My Encounter with [Insert Scary Music] ... Socialized Medicine! Gasp! snip I was back at Ann’s in just over an hour from when I left—with my letter, my boot, and my tale of smiling, pleasant, and efficient health care workers. And somehow I began to believe that back in America we weren’t being given the whole truth. And guess what? Ann tells me that David Beckham and Wayne Rooney, the biggest British soccer (football) stars, have had metatarsal bone fractures, just like mine. In about six weeks, I too will be back on the field, thanks to socialized medicine! I've lived under both systems, and there is NO WAY that I would ever desire to return to America's free market medicine. The system in the US works well if you have a lot of money, a category I have never fit into, and therefore did not have a good experience with health care in my own country, but here in Canada, when I have a medical issue I simply go to my family physician. Rush Limbaugh and the other ranting lunatics have it wrong, as usual . . . robert luis rabello ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] Bloody outrage
I agree - my folks were overseas for a year and the NHS saw my old man thru 2 big problems just fine. I think the US system is great...if you happen to be rich. Nobody in the US knows how the NHS or any other European system works: They always bleat: But I don't want the Government telling me which doctor to see. I always point out that that's not true anywhere there is socialized medicine; there is a thriving health insurance industry in the EU, and no policeman will arrest you for walking into Dr. Jone's office, seeing him and then paying the bill. Just like you can do here. The right has brain-washed to US to believe they'll forced into health collectives and shot if they leave. Where I live we have socialized trash pick up, for heaven's sake. But not to worry, we're catching up to the UK fast when it comes to video spying... -Mike malcolm maclure wrote: Hi Mike, all. Glad your experience was Ok. I'm in the UK a few years ago my dad had a nasty stroke, he waited on an ambulance trolley in AE for 7 hrs for a bed in a ward, he devoted his working life to the NHS as a brilliant ophthalmologist! I do have to say that sometimes our NHS may not be perfect all the time, but we are damn lucky to have it. I've used AE a good few times I'm glad it's there - I can't imagine living with the US system, it seems so elitist. The US spends trillions of $'s warmongering yet it can't provide healthcare for all, a basic human right it purports to promote. No offence to you at all Mike, but I'm glad I'm British ( there are a lot of things British that I'm not proud of) I wouldn't like the way the US behaves in the world on our collective conscience. Best regards Malcolm -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Mike Weaver Sent: 16 August 2007 15:05 To: Biofuel@sustainablelists.org Subject: [Biofuel] Bloody outrage My Encounter with [Insert Scary Music] ... Socialized Medicine! ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
[Biofuel] Fwd: Re: N overdose
Fwd from Steve Gilman at SANET - see: http://www.insidebayarea.com/argus/ci_6606378 Nitrogen Overdose - Element quietly rivaling CO2 as a global climate threat Inside Bay Area, 8/12/2007 http://www.whrc.org/policy/Reactive_nitrogen.htm UNEP Report: Reactive Nitrogen in the Environment - Too Much or Too Little of a Good Thing pdf: http://www.whrc.org/policy/PDF/Reactive_Nitrogen_sml.pdf Also recent discussion here re peak phosphorus. --- Date: Fri, 17 Aug 2007 11:44:15 -0400 From: STEVE GILMAN [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: N overdose To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Hi Joel, Thanks for the article and report on the long list of serious environmental impacts brought about by manmade reactive N, including nitrous oxide, a greenhouse gas 300 times more virulent per pound than carbon dioxide in the atmosphere. It's interesting that the chemical N fertilizer business got it's start via an industrial bomb-making process, developed by Fritz Haber and Carl Bosch during WWI to meet Germany's nitrate needs for armaments, after the allies blockaded the transport of guano and Chilean nitrate sources. Here in the US, wartime taxpayer dollars built the industry -- initially dominated by DuPont -- that morphed into fertilizer production during peacetime and then hugely expanded during WWII. After that war, the nitrate companies went into agricultural production big time, along with their nerve gas manufacturing brethren who went into the chemical pesticides business. Based on the availability of cheap petrochemicals and N, the chemical ag industry soon dominated production.Their hegemony has long become completely intrenched in policy, with corn ethanol as their latest manifestation. As the article from last week's farmgate blog explains, however, because of the high production costs dependent on natural gas, the US is now an N IMPORTER. www.farmgate.uiuc.edu/archive/2007/08/as_you_book_you.html Curiously, now that the US finds itself competing in an international N market we may find ourselves involved in a modern variant of the guano wars. Combined with the shortages of phosphorus already elaborated upon on this list, that bag of NPK is not so cheap or sustainable anymore, and its prognosis is steadily worse. As scientific and public tolerance for the polluting by products (including the new bottom line-paradigm of energy use and climate change) of chemical ag production fall under greater scrutiny and disrepute, Organic shines all the brighter as the Way to Go. While agribusiness as usual has certainly dominated the Farm Bill deliberations (so far) this time, their adherents will have much less space to stand when the Farm Bill comes around again five years hence. Meanwhile, the writing is on the wall, all their last-gasp political machinations notwithstanding -- the sustainable/fertile soil/solar energy/ biological control basis of organic production is actually more competitive than petro-ag for generating our food supply, in addition to its well-documented beneficent environmental and health effects. Steve Ruckytucks Farm farmgate: As You Book Your 2008 Nitrogen, Here Are The Reasons The Cost Is Higher. In agriculture you have to think ahead. Risk has to be managed so a crisis does not develop. Crops have to be marketed before prices plummet. Inputs have to be booked before costs increase. And it is that nitrogen input that impacts fertilizer and chemical costs that requires immediate attention. Any farmer offered a higher price for a crop will produce more of that commodity. But a USDA economist says it is just the opposite for ammonia production that results in the reduced availability of nitrogen fertilizer. The Impact of Rising Natural Gas Prices on U.S. Ammonia Supply is a recent analysis by USDAís Economics Research Service which warns of reduced availability for ammonia due to higher natural gas prices. Any producer knows the importance of nitrogen, and USDA says, ìTotal nitrogen costs for U.S. production of corn in 2005 and wheat in 2004 were $3.66 billion and $1.02 billion, respectively. Nitrogen costs contributed to the largest operating expense for both corn and wheat producers. Nitrogen application accounted for 22 percent of the operating costs for corn producers and about 33 percent of the costs for wheat producers.î With 90 million acres of $4 corn this year, nitrogen use increased rapidly in all likelihood. If you remember your soil chemistry less from school, ìWhen combined with phosphoric acid and potassium chloride, ammonia and its derivatives are the basic material used in the formulation of various mixed fertilizers containing nitrogen, phosphate and potash, which are used extensively by farmers. Thus, a change in the price of ammonia often leads to changes in the prices of all nitrogen fertilizers.î The basis for ammonia production
Re: [Biofuel] Bloody outrage
I have no intention of leaving. From: "swalms" [EMAIL PROTECTED]Reply-To: biofuel@sustainablelists.orgTo: biofuel@sustainablelists.orgSubject: Re: [Biofuel] Bloody outrageDate: Fri, 17 Aug 2007 07:42:14 -0700 So stay in Uruguay!Express yourself instantly with MSN Messenger! MSN Messenger Download today it's FREE! ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
[Biofuel] US Automakers Misleading the Public about Benefits of Stronger Fuel Economy Standards
http://www.commondreams.org/news2007/0816-05.ht Union of Concerned Scientists: FOR IMMEDIATE RELEASE: AUGUST 16, 2007 4:38 PM CONTACT: Union of Concerned Scientists Aaron Huertas Assistant Press Secretary 202-331-5458 [EMAIL PROTECTED] US Automakers Misleading the Public about Benefits of Stronger Fuel Economy Standards Detroit Three Holds Rally in Chicago to Protest Proposed Fuel Economy Bill; Second Rally Slated for August 22 WASHINGTON- AUGUST 16 - U.S. automakers will host a rally today in Chicago to protest a proposed federal fuel economy standard. Sponsored by General Motors, Ford, and Chrysler, the rally is part of an industry campaign to pressure a panel of U.S. lawmakers tasked with resolving differences between Senate and House energy bills to weaken the standard. The automakers plan another rally in St. Louis on August 22. The standard in question would set a 35 mile-per-gallon (mpg) fleetwide average target for 2020. If fully implemented, the standard would save American drivers billions of dollars at the pump, cut hundreds of millions of tons of global warming pollution, and generate tens of thousands of new jobs, according to the Union of Concerned Scientists (UCS). The auto industry is backing a feeble proposal sponsored by Reps. Baron Hill (D-Ind.) and Lee Terry (R-Neb.) that would save approximately 180 million barrels of oil in 2020, which is what we currently consume in about nine days. This approach is significantly weaker than the president's goal of saving 8.5 billion gallons of gasoline in 2017 through fuel economy improvements of 4 percent per year. U.S. automakers are continuing to mislead the public about the very real benefits of a strong federal fuel economy standard and the fact that they have the technology to meet it, said David Friedman, research director in UCS's Clean Vehicle Program. The National Academy of Sciences says existing and emerging conventional technology can boost the fuel economy of all vehicles, from two-seaters to four-by-fours. Detroit can produce 34-mile-per-gallon SUVs, 37-mile-per-gallon minivans and 41-mile-per-gallon family cars. Our own research shows that the auto companies can do even better than that. According to a recent UCS analysis, fully implementing the 35 mpg target would: · save drivers $25 billion at the pump in 2020, above and beyond the cost of the technology (at the 2006 average gas price of $2.55, in 2005 dollars) · generate 22,300 jobs in the auto industry and a total of 170,800 new jobs nationwide in 2020 (for the UCS analysis, go to: www.ucsusa.org/clean_vehicles/fuel_economy/fuel-economy-jobs-and-consu mer-savings.html) · cut 206 million metric tons of global warming pollution in 2020 alone-equivalent to taking more than 30 million of today's average cars and trucks off the road · save 1.2 million barrels of oil per day-equivalent to the amount of oil the United States now imports from Saudi Arabia daily U.S. automakers have a long history of whining that they can't improve their products, said Friedman. Their claims about the Senate proposal are just a reprise of their claims that adding seatbelts, airbags, and catalytic converters would bankrupt their industry. Meanwhile they are being outpaced on their home turf by foreign competitors that are producing more fuel efficient cars. A recent analysis from Lehman Brothers based on the actual language of the Senate bill showed that a 35 mpg standard with a size-based approach, which would set different targets for different vehicle sizes - from small cars to big trucks - would have no effect on sales of big pickups and SUVs. The analysis showed that these large vehicles would have to only improve fuel economy by 25 percent to preserve existing sales under the new standard. The National Academy of Sciences indicated that those vehicles could more than double that improvement with existing and emerging technologies. It is reprehensible that Detroit auto executives are threatening their workers by telling them they may have to close down plants, Friedman said. It would be a very dumb business decision to shut down an SUV plant instead of investing in existing technology. Why would a company turn over the market for millions of vehicles to its competitors when it has the technology to upgrade its plants to make vehicles that get better fuel economy? If they need help making the investments they should be negotiating for tax credits, not working to undermine our national energy security. Regardless of the auto industry's Astroturf campaign to weaken proposed federal fuel economy standards, many lawmakers recognize that tightening standards not only will save Americans money, cut pollution and create jobs, it will strengthen national security, according to Eli Hopson, a UCS spokesperson. The good news is that the Senate and the House Democratic leadership have rejected the industry's scare tactics
[Biofuel] PLEASE READ - list moving
Hi all We're moving the list to a new home, at last. Listadmin has emailed all members offlist with further information. It takes some time for a new DNS to proliferate, but apart from that we hope it all goes smoothly. Hold tight! All best Keith Addison Journey to Forever KYOTO Pref., Japan http://journeytoforever.org/ Biofuel list owner ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
