Re: [Trisquel-users] debian 8, can not installed non free software stop graphic to work?

2016-10-19 Thread svhaab

radeon 4000
$ glxinfo | grep direct
direct rendering: Yes
$

nvidia 8400 gs
$ glxinfo | grep direct
direct rendering: Yes
$

both on debian 8 libre main.


Re: [Trisquel-users] Libreboot Developer Leah Rowe Attack gnu and rms Again

2016-10-19 Thread strypey
"Extremism" boils down to "ideas and action we really don't like". In other  
words, it's a meaningless propaganda phrase much like "intellectual  
property". I remember someone demonstrating just how meaningless it is to  
call someone an "extremist" by saying something like, "I'll use whatever  
means necessary to stop people raping children, so I guess I am an  
anti-child-rape extremist".


In recent years, the word "extremist" tends to be used as a synonym for  
"terrorist", another meaningless propaganda phrase that also generally boils  
down to "ideas and action we really don't like". The word chosen depends on  
the context, not the thing described. When a suicide bomber blows up a school  
bus in Israel it's "terrorism" by an "extremist", but when CIA US drone  
strikes murder hundreds of children it's "collateral damage" by "defence  
forces" (even though they're doing it in other people's countries so it's  
actually offence not defence).

http://www.antiwar.com/hacohen/h041202.html
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/asia/pakistan/8695679/168-children-killed-in-drone-strikes-in-Pakistan-since-start-of-campaign.html

Calling people "extremists" implies they are willing to use violence to  
achieve their goals. Since it's obvious that nobody would protest against  
proprietary software by assassinating corporate CEOs or blowing things up,  
this is simply an ugly smear. Using this kind of hyperbolic language makes it  
clear that LR either doesn't have a very firm grip on reality, or more  
likely, just doesn't cares much about truth or nuance. If I was a Libreboot  
developer, I would be nodding and smiling, backing slowly away, and getting  
ready to fork the project.


BTW I agree this belongs in an "off-topic" area, but does it really have to  
be called the Troll Lounge? Could we possibly have two forums, the 'Troll  
Hole' for actual trolling, and another one for conversations relevant to the  
Software Freedom movement, but not specifically to Trisquel, called something  
like 'Off-topic Lounge' or even 'Software Freedom Lounge'? I am guilty of  
starting off-topic threads in the user forum because I'm not trolling, and I  
refuse to start them in a forum area called the Troll anything.


Re: [Trisquel-users] Libreboot Developer Leah Rowe Attack gnu and rms Again

2016-10-19 Thread 0d54770d
Extremism does not equal violence; an extreme action is any excessive action,  
meaning any action that goes beyond what is necessary to achieve one's stated  
goal, and the actions taken by the founder of Libreboot are definitely  
extreme, by that definition. Firstly, because we have not yet been presented  
a single shred of evidence for the FSF having done anything wrong; secondly,  
because, even if they did do those things, throwing a fit and acting like an  
immature child will only serve to bolster arguments for the use of  
proprietary software, because nobody likes a crybaby, and ad hominems are  
very effective "propaganda" tools.


Yes, we often associate extreme action with violence, but that is not  
intrinsic to the word itself, and is itself part and parcel of the same  
propaganda of which you accuse the people who are criticizing Rowe's  
overreaction to this entire situation. Unless people are explicitly condoning  
violent actions, don't lump them in the same category as those that are, by  
calling them both "extremists." The first step to truth is to call things by  
their proper name.


[Trisquel-users] Re : Need to Uninstall Trisquel

2016-10-19 Thread lcerf
One swap partition can be shared between several GNU/Linux distributions.  
However, I believe hibernation becomes a problem (for sure running another  
distribution after hibernating does not allow to recover). Besides  
hibernation, the swap can be emptied (although it is not necessary) between  
reboots, like the RAM is, and reused by another distribution.


My /etc/fstab has this line because my swap partition is /dev/sda1:
/dev/sda1  noneswapsw  0   0

One way to know the number of your swap partition (do not write 1 if it is  
not the first partition!):

$ sudo parted -l


[Trisquel-users] Re : Need to Uninstall Trisquel

2016-10-19 Thread lcerf
A binary language is a language with two letters that are usually denoted "0"  
and "1". Two letters always are enough: a mapping can be defined from any  
other alphabet to (long-enough) sequences of "0" and "1". Most digital  
systems use that language: on a CD, 500 nm wide pits and lands represent the  
two letters, most digital circuits (in particular in a processor) only  
consider two signals: high or low voltage; etc.


All that said, when we write about "a binary", we are actually talking about  
a file whose content is directly executable by the processor, i.e., a file  
only containing extremely simple (i.e., low-level) instructions. Those  
instructions are the assembly language. Like any other language, the  
instructions (the letters of the language) can be mapped to sequences of "0"  
and "1". But that is not the point.


The point is: humans can only read/write tiny programs in an assembly  
language. Most of the programs we use are written in high-level languages  
(mixes of English and mathematics), that are far easier to work with.  
Programs in high-level languages can then be automatically translated (a  
process called "compilation") to the assembly language the processor  
understands... but that human beings cannot understand anymore (unless the  
program is tiny). Also, it basically is impossible do do any significant  
modification to a binary.


Almost all proprietary programs are only distributed as binaries, i.e., human  
beings cannot read/write them. On the contrary, a free software program  
grants access to the source code (in the high-level language the program was  
actually written in): the user can study the program and can modify it.


Re: [Trisquel-users] I installed librecmc on a new router, but the oddest thing happens

2016-10-19 Thread radiowavers

> can someone tell me how to change the wifi password/wifi name in librecmc?

The same way as it is done in OpenWRT. So, you could use OpenWRT wiki:

https://wiki.openwrt.org/doc/uci/wireless

You need to edit /etc/config/wireless file using vi, could be done through  
ssh


Re: [Trisquel-users] I installed librecmc on a new router, but the oddest thing happens

2016-10-19 Thread radiowavers

The same way as it is done in OpenWRT. So, you could use OpenWRT wiki:

https://wiki.openwrt.org/doc/uci/wireless

You need to edit /etc/config/wireless file using vi, could be done through  
ssh


[Trisquel-users] Re : Need to Uninstall Trisquel

2016-10-19 Thread lcerf
If that is the only line output, then there is no error. This line just  
explains, at the beginning of the log what "(WW)" means, what "(EE)" means,  
etc.


Re: [Trisquel-users] Libreboot Developer Leah Rowe Attack gnu and rms Again

2016-10-19 Thread megver83
Calling people "extremists" implies they are willing to use violence to  
achieve their goals.


I don´t think that it necessarily means that an extremist will use   
violence, I think it means that the person will do everything to achieve its  
goal. But I don´t think Stallman would do sth. unmoral to achieve his goal.


I would not call RMS an extremist, I would call him persistent.

https://www.reddit.com/r/linux/comments/4zx1br/why_do_so_many_people_hate_the_fsf_gnu_project/


Re: [Trisquel-users] Libreboot Developer Leah Rowe Attack gnu and rms Again

2016-10-19 Thread strypey

"I would not call RMS an extremist, I would call him persistent."

I agree. Also, I would not call RMS an opponent of "intellectual property", I  
could call him an opponent of proprietary software, because like the term  
"extremist", the phrase "intellectual property" is NewSpeak, has no precise  
or useful meaning, and only serves to get in the way of clear communication.  
This is the point I was making in my comment.


BTW 0d54770d, please read the link shared by the OP, then read my comment  
again more carefully. Reading my comment as an attack on the FSF and its  
supporters (including myself) is totally the opposite of what I was saying,  
and your comment is a classic case of what activists call 'heated agreement'  
;)


Re: [Trisquel-users] Libreboot Developer Leah Rowe Attack gnu and rms Again

2016-10-19 Thread tegskywalker
That's a given with the harassment claims against Ruben and Trisquel being  
his side project.


Re: [Trisquel-users] Need to Uninstall Trisquel

2016-10-19 Thread silentdreamer
how many high-level languages are there? are Bash and Python in that  
category? Often I see many programming code names like those, so I imagine  
they're part of that whole group.


Re: [Trisquel-users] Need to Uninstall Trisquel

2016-10-19 Thread strypey
Keep at it. One day people will say things like this to you. You will be just  
as amazed as I am when people say them to me ;)

https://www.xkcd.com/627/


[Trisquel-users] Re : Need to Uninstall Trisquel

2016-10-19 Thread lcerf
"GNOME System Log" is just a log viewer, by default in Trisquel (not Mini).  
Assuming it really is installed on your system, you can launch it from the  
terminal or from the Alt+F2 prompt:

$ gnome-system-log

LightDM is Trisquel's default display manager. It is automatically launched  
when the system starts. I was just telling you that you need not reboot when  
the screen gets scrambled. You can just restart the graphical session with  
the following command, which you can execute from a text session (such as the  
one you get with Ctrl+Alt+F1):

$ sudo restart lightdm

But, before that, you could copy some logs (if there is anything interesting  
there, it is probably written when the screen gets scrambled). And you could  
take a look at whether a process is guilty of using much CPU and/or memory:

$ top


Re: [Trisquel-users] Need to Uninstall Trisquel

2016-10-19 Thread silentdreamer

I didn't find anything called LightDM.


Re: [Trisquel-users] Another future for libre computing?

2016-10-19 Thread taknamay
Yes, when I saw this I thought pretty much what onpon4 said. I wish them  
luck, but the price is definitely steep. The low price was a big  
selling-point of the EOMA for me, even at the cost of high performance.


[Trisquel-users] Re : Need to Uninstall Trisquel

2016-10-19 Thread lcerf
There literally are countless high-level programming languages. Most of them  
are unpopular though. Bash and Python are high-level programming languages.  
They are not compiled though, i.e., Bash/Python programs are not turned into  
executables (written in the assembly language that the processor  
understands). They are interpreted: when you execute them, a separate program  
(the "interpreter") reads the Bash/Python programs you execute and transforms  
the next Python/Bash statement to execute into assembly instructions.


@purists: I know there are Python compilers too.


Re: [Trisquel-users] Need to Uninstall Trisquel

2016-10-19 Thread strypey

I never knew about the Alt-F2 thing! How useful! Thanks for sharing that tip.

I have thought for a while that it would be great if something like that  
could be built into the taskbar in GNU/Linux desktops in some way, so new  
GNU/Linux users can see what's going on under the hood, and run commands,  
from within the default interface. Switching to a terminal or opening a  
virtual terminal window becomes second nature eventually, but for people  
who've never used a computer without pointing and clicking, it can be quite  
intimidating at first.


Re: [Trisquel-users] Libreboot Developer Leah Rowe Attack gnu and rms Again

2016-10-19 Thread greatgnu

> extremism

You wanna know what extremism is? Putting ketchup on effing spaghetti! I saw  
it with my own two eyes, I kid you not, to this day I have still not managed  
to recover.
ketchup on spaghetty.. I mean, gee, what's next, pourin' cocacola in your  
soup?
My god, people are goofy. 


Re: [Trisquel-users] Jack and other programs

2016-10-19 Thread greatgnu
sure thing, you are not the first to ask me this, apparently that was an  
issue with alsa in the past, not anymore, not here at least.


Re: [Trisquel-users] Jack and other programs

2016-10-19 Thread mir9001

do you still get per application audio controls?


Re: [Trisquel-users] Jack and other programs

2016-10-19 Thread mir9001

neat, thanks


Re: [Trisquel-users] Need to Uninstall Trisquel

2016-10-19 Thread silentdreamer
It didn't explain anything. I went to the documents, found some logs, have to  
find which one might show any info about the screen prob.


Re: [Trisquel-users] Need to Uninstall Trisquel

2016-10-19 Thread greatgnu

> One way to know the number of your swap partition (parted)

or, without sudo, lsblk, so you save 5 seconds of your time :)


Re: [Trisquel-users] Jack and other programs

2016-10-19 Thread greatgnu
pulseaudio is buggy as hell on the current stable version of Debian. I  
confirmed this with several different laptops and desktops. At first I  
searched for a solution to fix it, then I realized all trouble goes away (and  
with absolutely no downsides) when you apply a "apt purge pulseaudio).
Alsa FTW ^^