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And please tell me how 2.4 AC can work in the limited spectrum without wiping out/degrading things for other users. Or do we just not care about others any more? From: ubnt_users-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:ubnt_users-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Ben Moore Sent: Tuesday, December 09, 2014 8:31 PM To: Ubiquiti Users Group Subject: Re: [Ubnt_users] Rocket ACs Also in the works, but 5GHz is highest priority out of gate... On Tue, Dec 9, 2014 at 5:04 PM, Steve Barnes st...@pcswin.com mailto:st...@pcswin.com wrote: +1000 Steve Barnes PCSWIN.com From: ubnt_users-boun...@wispa.org mailto:ubnt_users-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:ubnt_users-boun...@wispa.org mailto:ubnt_users-boun...@wispa.org ] On Behalf Of Mathew Howard Sent: Tuesday, December 9, 2014 5:27 PM To: Ubiquiti Users Group Subject: Re: [Ubnt_users] Rocket ACs Some of us need 2.4ghz... there's no way we could get to at least half our customers with 5ghz only... AirPrism in 2.4ghz would be a nice start. _ From: ubnt_users-boun...@wispa.org mailto:ubnt_users-boun...@wispa.org [ubnt_users-boun...@wispa.org mailto:ubnt_users-boun...@wispa.org ] on behalf of j...@spitwspots.com mailto:j...@spitwspots.com [j...@spitwspots.com mailto:j...@spitwspots.com ] Sent: Tuesday, December 09, 2014 4:24 PM To: Ubiquiti Users Group Subject: Re: [Ubnt_users] Rocket ACs Ac is only designed around 5ghz. What's it with you and 2ghz? :) On December 9, 2014 1:15:29 PM AKST, Josh Luthman j...@imaginenetworksllc.com mailto:j...@imaginenetworksllc.com wrote: The ac stuff is 5 GHz only? I'm still kind of cautious as the old NS didn't work too well on Airmax APs (RM2 for example). Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 tel:937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 tel:937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Tue, Dec 9, 2014 at 5:09 PM, Mathew Howard mat...@litewire.net mailto:mat...@litewire.net wrote: Well, an NSM2 wouldn't since AC doesn't come in the M2 variety... but I assume you meant NSM5, which according to what been just said should work fine. _ From: ubnt_users-boun...@wispa.org mailto:ubnt_users-boun...@wispa.org [ubnt_users-boun...@wispa.org mailto:ubnt_users-boun...@wispa.org ] on behalf of Josh Luthman [j...@imaginenetworksllc.com mailto:j...@imaginenetworksllc.com ] Sent: Tuesday, December 09, 2014 4:07 PM To: Ubiquiti Users Group Subject: Re: [Ubnt_users] Rocket ACs So NSM2 and Nanobeam-400 will work with the new 802.11ac Rockets, correct? Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 tel:937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 tel:937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Tue, Dec 9, 2014 at 5:06 PM, Ben Moore ben.mo...@ubnt.com mailto:ben.mo...@ubnt.com wrote: 11n CPE's will have ability to work with 11AC AP's...This will allow you to transition a tower. Note that 11ac speeds will not be as good as 100% AC network, but 11ac CPE's that you deploy will still be better than 11n. On Tue, Dec 9, 2014 at 2:54 PM, Mathew Howard mat...@litewire.net mailto:mat...@litewire.net wrote: That's what I've been assuming too... Ben, can you tell us whether it's going to be backwards compatibility added to the AC series, or forward compatibility added to the M series? _ From: ubnt_users-boun...@wispa.org mailto:ubnt_users-boun...@wispa.org [ubnt_users-boun...@wispa.org mailto:ubnt_users-boun...@wispa.org ] on behalf of Mike Hammett [wispaubntus...@ics-il.net mailto:wispaubntus...@ics-il.net ] Sent: Tuesday, December 09, 2014 2:36 PM To: Ubiquiti Users Group Subject: Re: [Ubnt_users] Rocket ACs I'm guessing it'll be like M series vs. legacy. Eventually V6 will be the M-series connection to the AC. I'm guessing... - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com https://www.facebook.com/ICSIL https://plus.google.com/+IntelligentComputingSolutionsDeKalb https://www.linkedin.com/company/intelligent-computing-solutions https://twitter.com/ICSIL _ From: Steve Barnes st...@pcswin.com mailto:st...@pcswin.com To: Ubiquiti Users Group ubnt_users@wispa.org mailto:ubnt_users@wispa.org Sent: Tuesday, December 9, 2014 2:16:24 PM Subject: Re: [Ubnt_users] Rocket ACs Ben, I asked before but haven’t gotten word, can you speak to the Backwards compatibility of the new units? Steven Barnes GM PCSWIN.com Howard LLC. From: ubnt_users-boun...@wispa.org mailto:ubnt_users-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:ubnt_users-boun...@wispa.org mailto:ubnt_users-boun...@wispa.org ] On Behalf Of Ben Moore Sent: Tuesday, December 09, 2014 3:14 PM To: Ubiquiti Users Group Subject: Re: [Ubnt_users] Rocket ACs Yes, difference is airprism...and the fact that this one is PTP locked (the lite will do both PTMP and PTP). On Tue, Dec 9, 2014 at 12:45 PM, Mathew Howard mat...@litewire.net mailto:mat...@litewire.net wrote: Yes, the spectrum analyzer is quite nice... even if the only Rocket I have that it works on is sitting on my desk. :p So is
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Use a channel size appropriate for the environment? - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com - Original Message - From: ralph ralphli...@bsrg.org To: Ubiquiti Users Group ubnt_users@wispa.org Sent: Tuesday, December 16, 2014 7:42:18 AM Subject: Re: [Ubnt_users] Rocket ACs And please tell me how 2.4 AC can work in the limited spectrum without wiping out/degrading things for other users. Or do we just not care about others any more? From: ubnt_users-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:ubnt_users-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Ben Moore Sent: Tuesday, December 09, 2014 8:31 PM To: Ubiquiti Users Group Subject: Re: [Ubnt_users] Rocket ACs Also in the works, but 5GHz is highest priority out of gate... On Tue, Dec 9, 2014 at 5:04 PM, Steve Barnes st...@pcswin.com wrote: +1000 Steve Barnes PCSWIN.com From: ubnt_users-boun...@wispa.org [mailto: ubnt_users-boun...@wispa.org ] On Behalf Of Mathew Howard Sent: Tuesday, December 9, 2014 5:27 PM To: Ubiquiti Users Group Subject: Re: [Ubnt_users] Rocket ACs Some of us need 2.4ghz... there's no way we could get to at least half our customers with 5ghz only... AirPrism in 2.4ghz would be a nice start. From: ubnt_users-boun...@wispa.org [ ubnt_users-boun...@wispa.org ] on behalf of j...@spitwspots.com [ j...@spitwspots.com ] Sent: Tuesday, December 09, 2014 4:24 PM To: Ubiquiti Users Group Subject: Re: [Ubnt_users] Rocket ACs Ac is only designed around 5ghz. What's it with you and 2ghz? :) On December 9, 2014 1:15:29 PM AKST, Josh Luthman j...@imaginenetworksllc.com wrote: blockquote The ac stuff is 5 GHz only? I'm still kind of cautious as the old NS didn't work too well on Airmax APs (RM2 for example). Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Tue, Dec 9, 2014 at 5:09 PM, Mathew Howard mat...@litewire.net wrote: blockquote Well, an NSM2 wouldn't since AC doesn't come in the M2 variety... but I assume you meant NSM5, which according to what been just said should work fine. From: ubnt_users-boun...@wispa.org [ ubnt_users-boun...@wispa.org ] on behalf of Josh Luthman [ j...@imaginenetworksllc.com ] Sent: Tuesday, December 09, 2014 4:07 PM To: Ubiquiti Users Group Subject: Re: [Ubnt_users] Rocket ACs So NSM2 and Nanobeam-400 will work with the new 802.11ac Rockets, correct? Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Tue, Dec 9, 2014 at 5:06 PM, Ben Moore ben.mo...@ubnt.com wrote: blockquote 11n CPE's will have ability to work with 11AC AP's...This will allow you to transition a tower. Note that 11ac speeds will not be as good as 100% AC network, but 11ac CPE's that you deploy will still be better than 11n. On Tue, Dec 9, 2014 at 2:54 PM, Mathew Howard mat...@litewire.net wrote: blockquote That's what I've been assuming too... Ben, can you tell us whether it's going to be backwards compatibility added to the AC series, or forward compatibility added to the M series? From: ubnt_users-boun...@wispa.org [ ubnt_users-boun...@wispa.org ] on behalf of Mike Hammett [ wispaubntus...@ics-il.net ] Sent: Tuesday, December 09, 2014 2:36 PM To: Ubiquiti Users Group Subject: Re: [Ubnt_users] Rocket ACs I'm guessing it'll be like M series vs. legacy. Eventually V6 will be the M-series connection to the AC. I'm guessing... - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com From: Steve Barnes st...@pcswin.com To: Ubiquiti Users Group ubnt_users@wispa.org Sent: Tuesday, December 9, 2014 2:16:24 PM Subject: Re: [Ubnt_users] Rocket ACs Ben, I asked before but haven’t gotten word, can you speak to the Backwards compatibility of the new units? Steven Barnes GM PCSWIN.com Howard LLC. From: ubnt_users-boun...@wispa.org [mailto: ubnt_users-boun...@wispa.org ] On Behalf Of Ben Moore Sent: Tuesday, December 09, 2014 3:14 PM To: Ubiquiti Users Group Subject: Re: [Ubnt_users] Rocket ACs Yes, difference is airprism...and the fact that this one is PTP locked (the lite will do both PTMP and PTP). On Tue, Dec 9, 2014 at 12:45 PM, Mathew Howard mat...@litewire.net wrote: blockquote Yes, the spectrum analyzer is quite nice... even if the only Rocket I have that it works on is sitting on my desk. :p So is the only difference with this new Rocket AirPrism, or are there other changes as well? From: ubnt_users-boun...@wispa.org [ ubnt_users-boun...@wispa.org ] on behalf of Ben Moore [ ben.mo...@ubnt.com ] Sent: Tuesday, December 09, 2014 1:27 PM To: Ubiquiti Users Group Subject: Re: [Ubnt_users] Rocket ACs ;-) I think you guys will really like the new SW tools being added (especially the persistent spectrum analyzer...lots that can be done with that). Will send out some details shortly on PTMP networks
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I thought AC chipsets were 5ghz only... is that not that case? From: ubnt_users-boun...@wispa.org [ubnt_users-boun...@wispa.org] on behalf of Mike Hammett [wispaubntus...@ics-il.net] Sent: Tuesday, December 16, 2014 7:49 AM To: Ubiquiti Users Group Subject: Re: [Ubnt_users] Rocket ACs Use a channel size appropriate for the environment? - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com [http://www.ics-il.com/images/fbicon.png]https://www.facebook.com/ICSIL[http://www.ics-il.com/images/googleicon.png]https://plus.google.com/+IntelligentComputingSolutionsDeKalb[http://www.ics-il.com/images/linkedinicon.png]https://www.linkedin.com/company/intelligent-computing-solutions[http://www.ics-il.com/images/twittericon.png]https://twitter.com/ICSIL From: ralph ralphli...@bsrg.org To: Ubiquiti Users Group ubnt_users@wispa.org Sent: Tuesday, December 16, 2014 7:42:18 AM Subject: Re: [Ubnt_users] Rocket ACs And please tell me how 2.4 AC can work in the limited spectrum without wiping out/degrading things for other users. Or do we just not care about others any more? From: ubnt_users-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:ubnt_users-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Ben Moore Sent: Tuesday, December 09, 2014 8:31 PM To: Ubiquiti Users Group Subject: Re: [Ubnt_users] Rocket ACs Also in the works, but 5GHz is highest priority out of gate... On Tue, Dec 9, 2014 at 5:04 PM, Steve Barnes st...@pcswin.commailto:st...@pcswin.com wrote: +1000 Steve Barnes PCSWIN.com From: ubnt_users-boun...@wispa.orgmailto:ubnt_users-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:ubnt_users-boun...@wispa.orgmailto:ubnt_users-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Mathew Howard Sent: Tuesday, December 9, 2014 5:27 PM To: Ubiquiti Users Group Subject: Re: [Ubnt_users] Rocket ACs Some of us need 2.4ghz... there's no way we could get to at least half our customers with 5ghz only... AirPrism in 2.4ghz would be a nice start. From: ubnt_users-boun...@wispa.orgmailto:ubnt_users-boun...@wispa.org [ubnt_users-boun...@wispa.orgmailto:ubnt_users-boun...@wispa.org] on behalf of j...@spitwspots.commailto:j...@spitwspots.com [j...@spitwspots.commailto:j...@spitwspots.com] Sent: Tuesday, December 09, 2014 4:24 PM To: Ubiquiti Users Group Subject: Re: [Ubnt_users] Rocket ACs Ac is only designed around 5ghz. What's it with you and 2ghz? :) On December 9, 2014 1:15:29 PM AKST, Josh Luthman j...@imaginenetworksllc.commailto:j...@imaginenetworksllc.com wrote: The ac stuff is 5 GHz only? I'm still kind of cautious as the old NS didn't work too well on Airmax APs (RM2 for example). Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340tel:937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343tel:937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Tue, Dec 9, 2014 at 5:09 PM, Mathew Howard mat...@litewire.netmailto:mat...@litewire.net wrote: Well, an NSM2 wouldn't since AC doesn't come in the M2 variety... but I assume you meant NSM5, which according to what been just said should work fine. From: ubnt_users-boun...@wispa.orgmailto:ubnt_users-boun...@wispa.org [ubnt_users-boun...@wispa.orgmailto:ubnt_users-boun...@wispa.org] on behalf of Josh Luthman [j...@imaginenetworksllc.commailto:j...@imaginenetworksllc.com] Sent: Tuesday, December 09, 2014 4:07 PM To: Ubiquiti Users Group Subject: Re: [Ubnt_users] Rocket ACs So NSM2 and Nanobeam-400 will work with the new 802.11ac Rockets, correct? Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340tel:937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343tel:937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Tue, Dec 9, 2014 at 5:06 PM, Ben Moore ben.mo...@ubnt.commailto:ben.mo...@ubnt.com wrote: 11n CPE's will have ability to work with 11AC AP's...This will allow you to transition a tower. Note that 11ac speeds will not be as good as 100% AC network, but 11ac CPE's that you deploy will still be better than 11n. On Tue, Dec 9, 2014 at 2:54 PM, Mathew Howard mat...@litewire.netmailto:mat...@litewire.net wrote: That's what I've been assuming too... Ben, can you tell us whether it's going to be backwards compatibility added to the AC series, or forward compatibility added to the M series? From: ubnt_users-boun...@wispa.orgmailto:ubnt_users-boun...@wispa.org [ubnt_users-boun...@wispa.orgmailto:ubnt_users-boun...@wispa.org] on behalf of Mike Hammett [wispaubntus...@ics-il.netmailto:wispaubntus...@ics-il.net] Sent: Tuesday, December 09, 2014 2:36 PM To: Ubiquiti Users Group Subject: Re: [Ubnt_users] Rocket ACs I'm guessing it'll be like M series vs. legacy. Eventually V6 will be the M-series connection to the AC. I'm guessing... - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com
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A. 1 802.11ac only specifies operation in the 5 GHz band. Operation in the 2.4 GHz band is specified by 802.11n. B. 1 2 3 With 802.11n, 600 Mbit/s in the 2.4 GHz band can be achieved by using four spatial streams at 150 Mbit/s each. As of September 2014, commercially available devices that achieve 600 Mbit/s in the 2.4 GHz band use 3 spatial streams at 200 Mbit/s each. [ 8 ] [ 9 ] This requires the use of 256-QAM modulation, which is not compliant with 802.11n and can be considered a proprietary extension. [ 9 ] - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com - Original Message - From: Josh Luthman j...@imaginenetworksllc.com To: Ubiquiti Users Group ubnt_users@wispa.org Sent: Tuesday, December 16, 2014 10:19:10 AM Subject: Re: [Ubnt_users] Rocket ACs Maybe during initial production, but the ac protocol covers the 2.4 band. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/IEEE_802.11ac Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Tue, Dec 16, 2014 at 11:16 AM, Mathew Howard mat...@litewire.net wrote: I thought AC chipsets were 5ghz only... is that not that case? From: ubnt_users-boun...@wispa.org [ ubnt_users-boun...@wispa.org ] on behalf of Mike Hammett [ wispaubntus...@ics-il.net ] Sent: Tuesday, December 16, 2014 7:49 AM To: Ubiquiti Users Group Subject: Re: [Ubnt_users] Rocket ACs Use a channel size appropriate for the environment? - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com From: ralph ralphli...@bsrg.org To: Ubiquiti Users Group ubnt_users@wispa.org Sent: Tuesday, December 16, 2014 7:42:18 AM Subject: Re: [Ubnt_users] Rocket ACs And please tell me how 2.4 AC can work in the limited spectrum without wiping out/degrading things for other users. Or do we just not care about others any more? From: ubnt_users-boun...@wispa.org [mailto: ubnt_users-boun...@wispa.org ] On Behalf Of Ben Moore Sent: Tuesday, December 09, 2014 8:31 PM To: Ubiquiti Users Group Subject: Re: [Ubnt_users] Rocket ACs Also in the works, but 5GHz is highest priority out of gate... On Tue, Dec 9, 2014 at 5:04 PM, Steve Barnes st...@pcswin.com wrote: blockquote +1000 Steve Barnes PCSWIN.com From: ubnt_users-boun...@wispa.org [mailto: ubnt_users-boun...@wispa.org ] On Behalf Of Mathew Howard Sent: Tuesday, December 9, 2014 5:27 PM To: Ubiquiti Users Group Subject: Re: [Ubnt_users] Rocket ACs Some of us need 2.4ghz... there's no way we could get to at least half our customers with 5ghz only... AirPrism in 2.4ghz would be a nice start. From: ubnt_users-boun...@wispa.org [ ubnt_users-boun...@wispa.org ] on behalf of j...@spitwspots.com [ j...@spitwspots.com ] Sent: Tuesday, December 09, 2014 4:24 PM To: Ubiquiti Users Group Subject: Re: [Ubnt_users] Rocket ACs Ac is only designed around 5ghz. What's it with you and 2ghz? :) On December 9, 2014 1:15:29 PM AKST, Josh Luthman j...@imaginenetworksllc.com wrote: blockquote The ac stuff is 5 GHz only? I'm still kind of cautious as the old NS didn't work too well on Airmax APs (RM2 for example). Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Tue, Dec 9, 2014 at 5:09 PM, Mathew Howard mat...@litewire.net wrote: blockquote Well, an NSM2 wouldn't since AC doesn't come in the M2 variety... but I assume you meant NSM5, which according to what been just said should work fine. From: ubnt_users-boun...@wispa.org [ ubnt_users-boun...@wispa.org ] on behalf of Josh Luthman [ j...@imaginenetworksllc.com ] Sent: Tuesday, December 09, 2014 4:07 PM To: Ubiquiti Users Group Subject: Re: [Ubnt_users] Rocket ACs So NSM2 and Nanobeam-400 will work with the new 802.11ac Rockets, correct? Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Tue, Dec 9, 2014 at 5:06 PM, Ben Moore ben.mo...@ubnt.com wrote: blockquote 11n CPE's will have ability to work with 11AC AP's...This will allow you to transition a tower. Note that 11ac speeds will not be as good as 100% AC network, but 11ac CPE's that you deploy will still be better than 11n. On Tue, Dec 9, 2014 at 2:54 PM, Mathew Howard mat...@litewire.net wrote: blockquote That's what I've been assuming too... Ben, can you tell us whether it's going to be backwards compatibility added to the AC series, or forward compatibility added to the M series? From: ubnt_users-boun...@wispa.org [ ubnt_users-boun...@wispa.org ] on behalf of Mike Hammett [ wispaubntus...@ics-il.net ] Sent: Tuesday, December 09, 2014 2:36 PM To: Ubiquiti Users Group Subject: Re: [Ubnt_users] Rocket ACs I'm guessing it'll be like M series vs. legacy. Eventually V6 will be the M-series connection to the AC. I'm guessing... - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing
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So basically, the AC standard doesn't support anything beyond N in 2.4ghz, but there are chipsets out there that added the useful stuff anyway... that makes sense. From: ubnt_users-boun...@wispa.org [ubnt_users-boun...@wispa.org] on behalf of Mike Hammett [wispaubntus...@ics-il.net] Sent: Tuesday, December 16, 2014 10:34 AM To: Ubiquiti Users Group Subject: Re: [Ubnt_users] Rocket ACs A.1http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/IEEE_802.11ac#ref_24GHz11n1 802.11ac only specifies operation in the 5 GHz band. Operation in the 2.4 GHz band is specified by 802.11n. B.1http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/IEEE_802.11ac#ref_24GHz256QAM1 2http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/IEEE_802.11ac#ref_24GHz256QAM2 3http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/IEEE_802.11ac#ref_24GHz256QAM3 With 802.11n, 600 Mbit/s in the 2.4 GHz band can be achieved by using four spatial streams at 150 Mbit/s each. As of September 2014, commercially available devices that achieve 600 Mbit/s in the 2.4 GHz band use 3 spatial streams at 200 Mbit/s each.[8]http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/IEEE_802.11ac#cite_note-ac2350-8[9]http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/IEEE_802.11ac#cite_note-ac1900-9 This requires the use of 256-QAM modulation, which is not compliant with 802.11n and can be considered a proprietary extension.[9]http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/IEEE_802.11ac#cite_note-ac1900-9 - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com [http://www.ics-il.com/images/fbicon.png]https://www.facebook.com/ICSIL[http://www.ics-il.com/images/googleicon.png]https://plus.google.com/+IntelligentComputingSolutionsDeKalb[http://www.ics-il.com/images/linkedinicon.png]https://www.linkedin.com/company/intelligent-computing-solutions[http://www.ics-il.com/images/twittericon.png]https://twitter.com/ICSIL From: Josh Luthman j...@imaginenetworksllc.com To: Ubiquiti Users Group ubnt_users@wispa.org Sent: Tuesday, December 16, 2014 10:19:10 AM Subject: Re: [Ubnt_users] Rocket ACs Maybe during initial production, but the ac protocol covers the 2.4 band. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/IEEE_802.11ac Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Tue, Dec 16, 2014 at 11:16 AM, Mathew Howard mat...@litewire.netmailto:mat...@litewire.net wrote: I thought AC chipsets were 5ghz only... is that not that case? From: ubnt_users-boun...@wispa.orgmailto:ubnt_users-boun...@wispa.org [ubnt_users-boun...@wispa.orgmailto:ubnt_users-boun...@wispa.org] on behalf of Mike Hammett [wispaubntus...@ics-il.netmailto:wispaubntus...@ics-il.net] Sent: Tuesday, December 16, 2014 7:49 AM To: Ubiquiti Users Group Subject: Re: [Ubnt_users] Rocket ACs Use a channel size appropriate for the environment? - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com [http://www.ics-il.com/images/fbicon.png]https://www.facebook.com/ICSIL[http://www.ics-il.com/images/googleicon.png]https://plus.google.com/+IntelligentComputingSolutionsDeKalb[http://www.ics-il.com/images/linkedinicon.png]https://www.linkedin.com/company/intelligent-computing-solutions[http://www.ics-il.com/images/twittericon.png]https://twitter.com/ICSIL From: ralph ralphli...@bsrg.orgmailto:ralphli...@bsrg.org To: Ubiquiti Users Group ubnt_users@wispa.orgmailto:ubnt_users@wispa.org Sent: Tuesday, December 16, 2014 7:42:18 AM Subject: Re: [Ubnt_users] Rocket ACs And please tell me how 2.4 AC can work in the limited spectrum without wiping out/degrading things for other users. Or do we just not care about others any more? From: ubnt_users-boun...@wispa.orgmailto:ubnt_users-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:ubnt_users-boun...@wispa.orgmailto:ubnt_users-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Ben Moore Sent: Tuesday, December 09, 2014 8:31 PM To: Ubiquiti Users Group Subject: Re: [Ubnt_users] Rocket ACs Also in the works, but 5GHz is highest priority out of gate... On Tue, Dec 9, 2014 at 5:04 PM, Steve Barnes st...@pcswin.commailto:st...@pcswin.com wrote: +1000 Steve Barnes PCSWIN.com From: ubnt_users-boun...@wispa.orgmailto:ubnt_users-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:ubnt_users-boun...@wispa.orgmailto:ubnt_users-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Mathew Howard Sent: Tuesday, December 9, 2014 5:27 PM To: Ubiquiti Users Group Subject: Re: [Ubnt_users] Rocket ACs Some of us need 2.4ghz... there's no way we could get to at least half our customers with 5ghz only... AirPrism in 2.4ghz would be a nice start. From: ubnt_users-boun...@wispa.orgmailto:ubnt_users-boun...@wispa.org [ubnt_users-boun...@wispa.orgmailto:ubnt_users-boun...@wispa.org] on behalf of j...@spitwspots.commailto:j...@spitwspots.com [j...@spitwspots.commailto:j...@spitwspots.com] Sent: Tuesday, December 09, 2014 4:24 PM To: Ubiquiti Users Group Subject: Re: [Ubnt_users] Rocket ACs Ac is only designed around 5ghz. What's it with you and 2ghz? :) On December 9,
Re: [Ubnt_users] Rocket ACs
Why isn't anybody petitioning IEEE for smaller channel sizes as the big ones are generally not needed. A 10 MHz channel of 2x2 AC would provide ~100 megabits of usable throughput. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com - Original Message - From: Mathew Howard mat...@litewire.net To: Ubiquiti Users Group ubnt_users@wispa.org Sent: Tuesday, December 16, 2014 10:43:25 AM Subject: Re: [Ubnt_users] Rocket ACs So basically, the AC standard doesn't support anything beyond N in 2.4ghz, but there are chipsets out there that added the useful stuff anyway... that makes sense. From: ubnt_users-boun...@wispa.org [ubnt_users-boun...@wispa.org] on behalf of Mike Hammett [wispaubntus...@ics-il.net] Sent: Tuesday, December 16, 2014 10:34 AM To: Ubiquiti Users Group Subject: Re: [Ubnt_users] Rocket ACs A. 1 802.11ac only specifies operation in the 5 GHz band. Operation in the 2.4 GHz band is specified by 802.11n. B. 1 2 3 With 802.11n, 600 Mbit/s in the 2.4 GHz band can be achieved by using four spatial streams at 150 Mbit/s each. As of September 2014, commercially available devices that achieve 600 Mbit/s in the 2.4 GHz band use 3 spatial streams at 200 Mbit/s each. [ 8 ] [ 9 ] This requires the use of 256-QAM modulation, which is not compliant with 802.11n and can be considered a proprietary extension. [ 9 ] - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com - Original Message - From: Josh Luthman j...@imaginenetworksllc.com To: Ubiquiti Users Group ubnt_users@wispa.org Sent: Tuesday, December 16, 2014 10:19:10 AM Subject: Re: [Ubnt_users] Rocket ACs Maybe during initial production, but the ac protocol covers the 2.4 band. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/IEEE_802.11ac Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Tue, Dec 16, 2014 at 11:16 AM, Mathew Howard mat...@litewire.net wrote: I thought AC chipsets were 5ghz only... is that not that case? From: ubnt_users-boun...@wispa.org [ ubnt_users-boun...@wispa.org ] on behalf of Mike Hammett [ wispaubntus...@ics-il.net ] Sent: Tuesday, December 16, 2014 7:49 AM To: Ubiquiti Users Group Subject: Re: [Ubnt_users] Rocket ACs Use a channel size appropriate for the environment? - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com From: ralph ralphli...@bsrg.org To: Ubiquiti Users Group ubnt_users@wispa.org Sent: Tuesday, December 16, 2014 7:42:18 AM Subject: Re: [Ubnt_users] Rocket ACs And please tell me how 2.4 AC can work in the limited spectrum without wiping out/degrading things for other users. Or do we just not care about others any more? From: ubnt_users-boun...@wispa.org [mailto: ubnt_users-boun...@wispa.org ] On Behalf Of Ben Moore Sent: Tuesday, December 09, 2014 8:31 PM To: Ubiquiti Users Group Subject: Re: [Ubnt_users] Rocket ACs Also in the works, but 5GHz is highest priority out of gate... On Tue, Dec 9, 2014 at 5:04 PM, Steve Barnes st...@pcswin.com wrote: blockquote +1000 Steve Barnes PCSWIN.com From: ubnt_users-boun...@wispa.org [mailto: ubnt_users-boun...@wispa.org ] On Behalf Of Mathew Howard Sent: Tuesday, December 9, 2014 5:27 PM To: Ubiquiti Users Group Subject: Re: [Ubnt_users] Rocket ACs Some of us need 2.4ghz... there's no way we could get to at least half our customers with 5ghz only... AirPrism in 2.4ghz would be a nice start. From: ubnt_users-boun...@wispa.org [ ubnt_users-boun...@wispa.org ] on behalf of j...@spitwspots.com [ j...@spitwspots.com ] Sent: Tuesday, December 09, 2014 4:24 PM To: Ubiquiti Users Group Subject: Re: [Ubnt_users] Rocket ACs Ac is only designed around 5ghz. What's it with you and 2ghz? :) On December 9, 2014 1:15:29 PM AKST, Josh Luthman j...@imaginenetworksllc.com wrote: blockquote The ac stuff is 5 GHz only? I'm still kind of cautious as the old NS didn't work too well on Airmax APs (RM2 for example). Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Tue, Dec 9, 2014 at 5:09 PM, Mathew Howard mat...@litewire.net wrote: blockquote Well, an NSM2 wouldn't since AC doesn't come in the M2 variety... but I assume you meant NSM5, which according to what been just said should work fine. From: ubnt_users-boun...@wispa.org [ ubnt_users-boun...@wispa.org ] on behalf of Josh Luthman [ j...@imaginenetworksllc.com ] Sent: Tuesday, December 09, 2014 4:07 PM To: Ubiquiti Users Group Subject: Re: [Ubnt_users] Rocket ACs So NSM2 and Nanobeam-400 will work with the new 802.11ac Rockets, correct? Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Tue, Dec 9, 2014 at 5:06 PM, Ben Moore ben.mo...@ubnt.com wrote: blockquote 11n CPE's will have ability to work
Re: [Ubnt_users] New airControl
Which I guess would be a problem if you're not already an E-Rate provider (we are). Yes, in certain states I have heard of some crazy things school district admins contacting their friends in the MSP world to come up with an e-rate service RFP (which is tailored for the MSP in mind), e-rate consultants who get paid big $$,$$$ just to come up with an RFP and filter out unwanted offerings, etc. Good-ole boy network type of stuff. (pun intended) josh reynolds :: chief information officer spitwspots :: www.spitwspots.com On 12/16/2014 04:42 AM, ralph wrote: Regarding your mention of the School system- The Schools are getting big in this E-Rate stuff. Entire states are asking for proposals for full managed services, probably both because they can get rid of people and take advantage of the E-Rate. I’ve seen one State’s RFP and it is so full of things that I don’t even know are possible yet… Unless we can play in the E-Rate space, we will have more and more limited usefulness as a provider to Schools and Libraries, I’m afraid. From: ubnt_users-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:ubnt_users-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Steve Barnes Sent: Tuesday, December 02, 2014 9:34 AM To: Ubiquiti Users Group Subject: Re: [Ubnt_users] New airControl I want to first go on record as saying I to dislike the idea of a cloud based management tool. However, I also remember all of us bitching about AC being a Java app and not having a web UI for our phones and other devices. When Ben Moore said that we would not have to worry about that in the next version I kind of thought about a hosted solution, but thought “Oh surly not”. Another point that I want to make is that US WISPs are not their largest market. I am sure that it is a large market for them but not the largest. I expect they are trying to be uniform across all their platforms worldwide. I assume we will see Unifi and Mfi eventually go ALL Cloud based. Everything from AP, CPE, Router, WiFi, Lights, Phones, Cameras, and even thermostat controlled from the cloud. The hacking possibility of all this is huge. But everything I see is moving this way. The local school Corp in our area just released 2 techs and converted ever thing they could to virtual off-site with remote monitoring and control of all equipment from WiFi Aps and Net Switches to Servers and workstations. The IT Manager says he loves the reduced work load but sees now he has handed the keys to someone else and has a lot less control. All he does now is move wires and swap equipment. All the NEST products, personal IP Security Cameras all are already in the cloud. The general techy populous are starting to except it. I think lots of WISPs will be less likely since they feel less in control of their networks and we are all about control. But I don’t think we are going to stop this trend. Steven Barnes GM PCSWIN.com Howard LLC. From: ubnt_users-boun...@wispa.org mailto:ubnt_users-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:ubnt_users-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Mike Hammett Sent: Monday, December 01, 2014 10:37 PM To: Ubiquiti Users Group Subject: Re: [Ubnt_users] New airControl Well right. That's why I said few and not none. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com https://www.facebook.com/ICSIL https://plus.google.com/+IntelligentComputingSolutionsDeKalb https://www.linkedin.com/company/intelligent-computing-solutions https://twitter.com/ICSIL _ From: Josh Reynolds j...@spitwspots.com mailto:j...@spitwspots.com To: ubnt users ubnt_users@wispa.org mailto:ubnt_users@wispa.org Sent: Monday, December 1, 2014 9:36:33 PM Subject: Re: [Ubnt_users] New airControl It was in alpha for 7-8 months before it hit the public beta today. josh reynolds :: chief information officer spitwspots :: www.spitwspots.com http://www.spitwspots.com On 12/01/2014 06:25 PM, Mike Hammett wrote: It was announced today, so few are familiar. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com https://www.facebook.com/ICSIL https://plus.google.com/+IntelligentComputingSolutionsDeKalb https://www.linkedin.com/company/intelligent-computing-solutions https://twitter.com/ICSIL _ From: Robert Andrews mailto:nos...@avantwireless.com nos...@avantwireless.com To: Ubiquiti Users Group mailto:ubnt_users@wispa.org ubnt_users@wispa.org Sent: Monday, December 1, 2014 9:22:29 PM Subject: Re: [Ubnt_users] New airControl Ok, but when the device contacts the cloud why can't the cloud at that point start the update? I'm not really familiar with the product but what is the frequency of the cloud to ground discharge ( or the other way around )... On 12/1/14 7:10 PM, Josh Reynolds wrote: The cloud doesn't contact the devices, the devices initiate connection to the cloud. (to be fair) josh reynolds :: chief information officer spitwspots :: www.spitwspots.com
[Ubnt_users] Any hope for 3.65GHz AC radios
Would solve some BH issues. Thanks. ___ Ubnt_users mailing list Ubnt_users@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/ubnt_users
Re: [Ubnt_users] Any hope for 3.65GHz AC radios
AC gets most of it's bandwidth via some neat tricks, but primarily 80 and 160MHz wide channels. 3.65 in UBNT-land is limited to 25MHz. josh reynolds :: chief information officer spitwspots :: www.spitwspots.com On 12/16/2014 03:50 PM, Jerry Richardson (airCloud) wrote: Would solve some BH issues. Thanks. ___ Ubnt_users mailing list Ubnt_users@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/ubnt_users ___ Ubnt_users mailing list Ubnt_users@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/ubnt_users
Re: [Ubnt_users] Any hope for 3.65GHz AC radios
I'd be more interested in a 3.65ghz airfiber at this point... From: ubnt_users-boun...@wispa.org [ubnt_users-boun...@wispa.org] on behalf of Josh Reynolds [j...@spitwspots.com] Sent: Tuesday, December 16, 2014 6:56 PM To: ubnt_users@wispa.org Subject: Re: [Ubnt_users] Any hope for 3.65GHz AC radios AC gets most of it's bandwidth via some neat tricks, but primarily 80 and 160MHz wide channels. 3.65 in UBNT-land is limited to 25MHz. josh reynolds :: chief information officer spitwspots :: www.spitwspots.comhttp://www.spitwspots.com On 12/16/2014 03:50 PM, Jerry Richardson (airCloud) wrote: Would solve some BH issues. Thanks. ___ Ubnt_users mailing list Ubnt_users@wispa.orgmailto:Ubnt_users@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/ubnt_users ___ Ubnt_users mailing list Ubnt_users@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/ubnt_users
Re: [Ubnt_users] Any hope for 3.65GHz AC radios
With all 25 MHz? I mean they can only get heavy throughput with loads of spectrum :/ Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Dec 16, 2014 8:28 PM, Mathew Howard mat...@litewire.net wrote: I'd be more interested in a 3.65ghz airfiber at this point... -- *From:* ubnt_users-boun...@wispa.org [ubnt_users-boun...@wispa.org] on behalf of Josh Reynolds [j...@spitwspots.com] *Sent:* Tuesday, December 16, 2014 6:56 PM *To:* ubnt_users@wispa.org *Subject:* Re: [Ubnt_users] Any hope for 3.65GHz AC radios AC gets most of it's bandwidth via some neat tricks, but primarily 80 and 160MHz wide channels. 3.65 in UBNT-land is limited to 25MHz. josh reynolds :: chief information officer spitwspots :: www.spitwspots.com On 12/16/2014 03:50 PM, Jerry Richardson (airCloud) wrote: Would solve some BH issues. Thanks. ___ Ubnt_users mailing listUbnt_users@wispa.orghttp://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/ubnt_users ___ Ubnt_users mailing list Ubnt_users@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/ubnt_users ___ Ubnt_users mailing list Ubnt_users@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/ubnt_users
Re: [Ubnt_users] Any hope for 3.65GHz AC radios
I'm guessing ~100 megs HDX as that's what the PMP450 does. Not sure price wise. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com - Original Message - From: Josh Reynolds j...@spitwspots.com To: ubnt users ubnt_users@wispa.org Sent: Tuesday, December 16, 2014 8:21:59 PM Subject: Re: [Ubnt_users] Any hope for 3.65GHz AC radios It's possible they could get AF certified in a pair of 20 mhz channels and 1024QAM. That should do ~250Mbps FD . I would expect between $2000-$3000 per link. What does a PTP 450 in 3.65 run price wise? P erformance? josh reynolds :: chief information officer spitwspots :: www.spitwspots.com On 12/16/2014 05:09 PM, Mathew Howard wrote: Actually, now that I think about it, full duplex probably wouldn't be possible in 3.65... which makes airfiber a whole lot less interesting - I'm not sure it would realistically be able to do anything that can't be done now with a 3.65 PTP450. I'm guessing they are waiting to see what happens with the 3.65 rules... I they'll 3550-3650 if it gets opened up, and I can't see their current products being made to work with the new rules. From: ubnt_users-boun...@wispa.org [ ubnt_users-boun...@wispa.org ] on behalf of Josh Reynolds [ j...@spitwspots.com ] Sent: Tuesday, December 16, 2014 7:44 PM To: Ubiquiti Users Group Subject: Re: [Ubnt_users] Any hope for 3.65GHz AC radios A 10Mhz wide AF5 can do ~190Mbps HD @ 8 miles in 256QAM. If they push that up to 1024QAM it'd look at a lot better. If I were Ubiquiti, I'd wait to see how the potential 3.65 rules play out first. josh reynolds :: chief information officer spitwspots :: www.spitwspots.com http://www.spitwspots.com On 12/16/2014 04:30 PM, Josh Luthman wrote: With all 25 MHz? I mean they can only get heavy throughput with loads of spectrum :/ Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Dec 16, 2014 8:28 PM, Mathew Howard mat...@litewire.net mailto:mat...@litewire.net wrote: I'd be more interested in a 3.65ghz airfiber at this point... -- *From:* ubnt_users-boun...@wispa.org mailto:ubnt_users-boun...@wispa.org [ ubnt_users-boun...@wispa.org mailto:ubnt_users-boun...@wispa.org ] on behalf of Josh Reynolds [ j...@spitwspots.com mailto:j...@spitwspots.com ] *Sent:* Tuesday, December 16, 2014 6:56 PM *To:* ubnt_users@wispa.org mailto:ubnt_users@wispa.org *Subject:* Re: [Ubnt_users] Any hope for 3.65GHz AC radios AC gets most of it's bandwidth via some neat tricks, but primarily 80 and 160MHz wide channels. 3.65 in UBNT-land is limited to 25MHz. josh reynolds :: chief information officer spitwspots :: www.spitwspots.com http://www.spitwspots.com On 12/16/2014 03:50 PM, Jerry Richardson (airCloud) wrote: Would solve some BH issues. Thanks. ___ Ubnt_users mailing listUbnt_users@wispa.orghttp://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/ubnt_users mailto:listUbnt_users@wispa.orghttp://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/ubnt_users ___ Ubnt_users mailing list Ubnt_users@wispa.org mailto:Ubnt_users@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/ubnt_users ___ Ubnt_users mailing list Ubnt_users@wispa.org mailto:Ubnt_users@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/ubnt_users ___ Ubnt_users mailing list Ubnt_users@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/ubnt_users ___ Ubnt_users mailing list Ubnt_users@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/ubnt_users ___ Ubnt_users mailing list Ubnt_users@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/ubnt_users
Re: [Ubnt_users] Any hope for 3.65GHz AC radios
The force110 ptp is 220 megs so I'm sure the 450 meets or exceeds. Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Dec 16, 2014 9:43 PM, Mike Hammett wispaubntus...@ics-il.net wrote: I'm guessing ~100 megs HDX as that's what the PMP450 does. Not sure price wise. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com https://www.facebook.com/ICSIL https://plus.google.com/+IntelligentComputingSolutionsDeKalb https://www.linkedin.com/company/intelligent-computing-solutions https://twitter.com/ICSIL -- *From: *Josh Reynolds j...@spitwspots.com *To: *ubnt users ubnt_users@wispa.org *Sent: *Tuesday, December 16, 2014 8:21:59 PM *Subject: *Re: [Ubnt_users] Any hope for 3.65GHz AC radios It's possible they could get AF certified in a pair of 20mhz channels and 1024QAM. That should do ~250Mbps FD. I would expect between $2000-$3000 per link. What does a PTP450 in 3.65 run price wise? Performance? josh reynolds :: chief information officer spitwspots :: www.spitwspots.com On 12/16/2014 05:09 PM, Mathew Howard wrote: Actually, now that I think about it, full duplex probably wouldn't be possible in 3.65... which makes airfiber a whole lot less interesting - I'm not sure it would realistically be able to do anything that can't be done now with a 3.65 PTP450. I'm guessing they are waiting to see what happens with the 3.65 rules... I they'll 3550-3650 if it gets opened up, and I can't see their current products being made to work with the new rules. From: ubnt_users-boun...@wispa.org [ubnt_users-boun...@wispa.org] on behalf of Josh Reynolds [j...@spitwspots.com] Sent: Tuesday, December 16, 2014 7:44 PM To: Ubiquiti Users Group Subject: Re: [Ubnt_users] Any hope for 3.65GHz AC radios A 10Mhz wide AF5 can do ~190Mbps HD @ 8 miles in 256QAM. If they push that up to 1024QAM it'd look at a lot better. If I were Ubiquiti, I'd wait to see how the potential 3.65 rules play out first. josh reynolds :: chief information officer spitwspots :: www.spitwspots.comhttp://www.spitwspots.com http://www.spitwspots.com On 12/16/2014 04:30 PM, Josh Luthman wrote: With all 25 MHz? I mean they can only get heavy throughput with loads of spectrum :/ Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Dec 16, 2014 8:28 PM, Mathew Howard mat...@litewire.net mat...@litewire.netmailto:mat...@litewire.net mat...@litewire.net wrote: I'd be more interested in a 3.65ghz airfiber at this point... -- *From:* ubnt_users-boun...@wispa.orgmailto:ubnt_users-boun...@wispa.org ubnt_users-boun...@wispa.org [ubnt_users-boun...@wispa.orgmailto:ubnt_users-boun...@wispa.org ubnt_users-boun...@wispa.org] on behalf of Josh Reynolds [j...@spitwspots.commailto:j...@spitwspots.com j...@spitwspots.com] *Sent:* Tuesday, December 16, 2014 6:56 PM *To:* ubnt_users@wispa.orgmailto:ubnt_users@wispa.org ubnt_users@wispa.org *Subject:* Re: [Ubnt_users] Any hope for 3.65GHz AC radios AC gets most of it's bandwidth via some neat tricks, but primarily 80 and 160MHz wide channels. 3.65 in UBNT-land is limited to 25MHz. josh reynolds :: chief information officer spitwspots :: www.spitwspots.comhttp://www.spitwspots.com http://www.spitwspots.com On 12/16/2014 03:50 PM, Jerry Richardson (airCloud) wrote: Would solve some BH issues. Thanks. ___ Ubnt_users mailing listUbnt_users@wispa.orghttp://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/ubnt_usersmailto:listUbnt_users@wispa.orghttp://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/ubnt_users listUbnt_users@wispa.orghttp://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/ubnt_users ___ Ubnt_users mailing listubnt_us...@wispa.orgmailto:Ubnt_users@wispa.org Ubnt_users@wispa.orghttp://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/ubnt_users ___ Ubnt_users mailing listubnt_us...@wispa.orgmailto:Ubnt_users@wispa.org Ubnt_users@wispa.orghttp://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/ubnt_users ___ Ubnt_users mailing listUbnt_users@wispa.orghttp://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/ubnt_users ___ Ubnt_users mailing list Ubnt_users@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/ubnt_users ___ Ubnt_users mailing list Ubnt_users@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/ubnt_users ___ Ubnt_users mailing list Ubnt_users@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/ubnt_users
Re: [Ubnt_users] Any hope for 3.65GHz AC radios
With a pair of 20mhz channels (or even a 10 and a 20), it would certainly be worthwhile... with 3550-3650 it would definitely make sense. If I remember correctly, PTP450 in 3.65 is pretty close to the same price as AF5... maybe a bit less. I think they claim something like 125Mbps... so yeah, airfiber would probably perform better, even if it was limited to half duplex. From: ubnt_users-boun...@wispa.org [ubnt_users-boun...@wispa.org] on behalf of Josh Reynolds [j...@spitwspots.com] Sent: Tuesday, December 16, 2014 8:21 PM To: ubnt_users@wispa.org Subject: Re: [Ubnt_users] Any hope for 3.65GHz AC radios It's possible they could get AF certified in a pair of 20mhz channels and 1024QAM. That should do ~250Mbps FD. I would expect between $2000-$3000 per link. What does a PTP450 in 3.65 run price wise? Performance? josh reynolds :: chief information officer spitwspots :: www.spitwspots.comhttp://www.spitwspots.com On 12/16/2014 05:09 PM, Mathew Howard wrote: Actually, now that I think about it, full duplex probably wouldn't be possible in 3.65... which makes airfiber a whole lot less interesting - I'm not sure it would realistically be able to do anything that can't be done now with a 3.65 PTP450. I'm guessing they are waiting to see what happens with the 3.65 rules... I they'll 3550-3650 if it gets opened up, and I can't see their current products being made to work with the new rules. From: ubnt_users-boun...@wispa.orgmailto:ubnt_users-boun...@wispa.org [ubnt_users-boun...@wispa.orgmailto:ubnt_users-boun...@wispa.org] on behalf of Josh Reynolds [j...@spitwspots.commailto:j...@spitwspots.com] Sent: Tuesday, December 16, 2014 7:44 PM To: Ubiquiti Users Group Subject: Re: [Ubnt_users] Any hope for 3.65GHz AC radios A 10Mhz wide AF5 can do ~190Mbps HD @ 8 miles in 256QAM. If they push that up to 1024QAM it'd look at a lot better. If I were Ubiquiti, I'd wait to see how the potential 3.65 rules play out first. josh reynolds :: chief information officer spitwspots :: www.spitwspots.comhttp://www.spitwspots.comhttp://www.spitwspots.comhttp://www.spitwspots.com On 12/16/2014 04:30 PM, Josh Luthman wrote: With all 25 MHz? I mean they can only get heavy throughput with loads of spectrum :/ Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Dec 16, 2014 8:28 PM, Mathew Howard mat...@litewire.netmailto:mat...@litewire.netmailto:mat...@litewire.netmailto:mat...@litewire.net wrote: I'd be more interested in a 3.65ghz airfiber at this point... -- *From:* ubnt_users-boun...@wispa.orgmailto:ubnt_users-boun...@wispa.orgmailto:ubnt_users-boun...@wispa.orgmailto:ubnt_users-boun...@wispa.org [ubnt_users-boun...@wispa.orgmailto:ubnt_users-boun...@wispa.orgmailto:ubnt_users-boun...@wispa.orgmailto:ubnt_users-boun...@wispa.org] on behalf of Josh Reynolds [j...@spitwspots.commailto:j...@spitwspots.commailto:j...@spitwspots.commailto:j...@spitwspots.com] *Sent:* Tuesday, December 16, 2014 6:56 PM *To:* ubnt_users@wispa.orgmailto:ubnt_users@wispa.orgmailto:ubnt_users@wispa.orgmailto:ubnt_users@wispa.org *Subject:* Re: [Ubnt_users] Any hope for 3.65GHz AC radios AC gets most of it's bandwidth via some neat tricks, but primarily 80 and 160MHz wide channels. 3.65 in UBNT-land is limited to 25MHz. josh reynolds :: chief information officer spitwspots :: www.spitwspots.comhttp://www.spitwspots.comhttp://www.spitwspots.comhttp://www.spitwspots.com On 12/16/2014 03:50 PM, Jerry Richardson (airCloud) wrote: Would solve some BH issues. Thanks. ___ Ubnt_users mailing listUbnt_users@wispa.orghttp://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/ubnt_usersmailto:listUbnt_users@wispa.orghttp://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/ubnt_usersmailto:listUbnt_users@wispa.orghttp://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/ubnt_usersmailto:listUbnt_users@wispa.orghttp://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/ubnt_users ___ Ubnt_users mailing list Ubnt_users@wispa.orgmailto:Ubnt_users@wispa.orgmailto:Ubnt_users@wispa.orgmailto:Ubnt_users@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/ubnt_users ___ Ubnt_users mailing list Ubnt_users@wispa.orgmailto:Ubnt_users@wispa.orgmailto:Ubnt_users@wispa.orgmailto:Ubnt_users@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/ubnt_users ___ Ubnt_users mailing list Ubnt_users@wispa.orgmailto:Ubnt_users@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/ubnt_users ___ Ubnt_users mailing list Ubnt_users@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/ubnt_users
Re: [Ubnt_users] Any hope for 3.65GHz AC radios
Up to 125 Mbps capacity - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com - Original Message - From: Mathew Howard mat...@litewire.net To: Ubiquiti Users Group ubnt_users@wispa.org Sent: Tuesday, December 16, 2014 8:49:15 PM Subject: Re: [Ubnt_users] Any hope for 3.65GHz AC radios With a pair of 20mhz channels (or even a 10 and a 20), it would certainly be worthwhile... with 3550-3650 it would definitely make sense. If I remember correctly, PTP450 in 3.65 is pretty close to the same price as AF5... maybe a bit less. I think they claim something like 125Mbps... so yeah, airfiber would probably perform better, even if it was limited to half duplex. From: ubnt_users-boun...@wispa.org [ubnt_users-boun...@wispa.org] on behalf of Josh Reynolds [j...@spitwspots.com] Sent: Tuesday, December 16, 2014 8:21 PM To: ubnt_users@wispa.org Subject: Re: [Ubnt_users] Any hope for 3.65GHz AC radios It's possible they could get AF certified in a pair of 20 mhz channels and 1024QAM. That should do ~250Mbps FD . I would expect between $2000-$3000 per link. What does a PTP 450 in 3.65 run price wise? P erformance? josh reynolds :: chief information officer spitwspots :: www.spitwspots.com On 12/16/2014 05:09 PM, Mathew Howard wrote: Actually, now that I think about it, full duplex probably wouldn't be possible in 3.65... which makes airfiber a whole lot less interesting - I'm not sure it would realistically be able to do anything that can't be done now with a 3.65 PTP450. I'm guessing they are waiting to see what happens with the 3.65 rules... I they'll 3550-3650 if it gets opened up, and I can't see their current products being made to work with the new rules. From: ubnt_users-boun...@wispa.org [ ubnt_users-boun...@wispa.org ] on behalf of Josh Reynolds [ j...@spitwspots.com ] Sent: Tuesday, December 16, 2014 7:44 PM To: Ubiquiti Users Group Subject: Re: [Ubnt_users] Any hope for 3.65GHz AC radios A 10Mhz wide AF5 can do ~190Mbps HD @ 8 miles in 256QAM. If they push that up to 1024QAM it'd look at a lot better. If I were Ubiquiti, I'd wait to see how the potential 3.65 rules play out first. josh reynolds :: chief information officer spitwspots :: www.spitwspots.com http://www.spitwspots.com On 12/16/2014 04:30 PM, Josh Luthman wrote: With all 25 MHz? I mean they can only get heavy throughput with loads of spectrum :/ Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Dec 16, 2014 8:28 PM, Mathew Howard mat...@litewire.net mailto:mat...@litewire.net wrote: I'd be more interested in a 3.65ghz airfiber at this point... -- *From:* ubnt_users-boun...@wispa.org mailto:ubnt_users-boun...@wispa.org [ ubnt_users-boun...@wispa.org mailto:ubnt_users-boun...@wispa.org ] on behalf of Josh Reynolds [ j...@spitwspots.com mailto:j...@spitwspots.com ] *Sent:* Tuesday, December 16, 2014 6:56 PM *To:* ubnt_users@wispa.org mailto:ubnt_users@wispa.org *Subject:* Re: [Ubnt_users] Any hope for 3.65GHz AC radios AC gets most of it's bandwidth via some neat tricks, but primarily 80 and 160MHz wide channels. 3.65 in UBNT-land is limited to 25MHz. josh reynolds :: chief information officer spitwspots :: www.spitwspots.com http://www.spitwspots.com On 12/16/2014 03:50 PM, Jerry Richardson (airCloud) wrote: Would solve some BH issues. Thanks. ___ Ubnt_users mailing listUbnt_users@wispa.orghttp://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/ubnt_users mailto:listUbnt_users@wispa.orghttp://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/ubnt_users ___ Ubnt_users mailing list Ubnt_users@wispa.org mailto:Ubnt_users@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/ubnt_users ___ Ubnt_users mailing list Ubnt_users@wispa.org mailto:Ubnt_users@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/ubnt_users ___ Ubnt_users mailing list Ubnt_users@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/ubnt_users ___ Ubnt_users mailing list Ubnt_users@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/ubnt_users ___ Ubnt_users mailing list Ubnt_users@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/ubnt_users
