Re: Android ANR (App not responding | Jacque was right :-)

[Bob Sneidar via use-livecode]

Yes. It’s the one that no batter can hit. 

Sent from my iPhone

> On Sep 15, 2023, at 18:14, Mark Wieder via use-livecode 
>  wrote:
> 
> On 9/15/23 13:10, Ralph DiMola via use-livecode wrote:
>> Does accordion count?
> 
> You know the definition of perfect pitch, right?
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Re: Clipboard Copy Troubles?

[Tom Glod via use-livecode]

Sigh. ok. thanks .

Found this ...https://quality.livecode.com/show_bug.cgi?id=23507 but this
could also be something different...

"A bug that has been affecting livecode for a long time..."

On Fri, Sep 15, 2023 at 7:17 PM J. Landman Gay via use-livecode <
use-livecode@lists.runrev.com> wrote:

> Yes, often. LC loses most of the editing shortcuts. It got fixed some
> versions ago and then lost them again.
>
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> On September 15, 2023 2:04:44 PM Tom Glod via use-livecode
>  wrote:
>
> > Heyall,
> >
> > Just wondering if anyone else has experienced issues where livecode stops
> > being able to copy to the clipboard when using copy command from the menu
> > or CTRL C or right click copy
> > Specifically from within the script editor or a variable window.
> > A LC restart seems to solve this temporarily.
> > I've noticed this recently more than usual.  On both mac and windows 11.
> >
> > Does this ring a bell to anyone?
> >
> > Thanks,
> >
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Re: Android ANR (App not responding | Jacque was right :-)

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On 9/15/23 13:10, Ralph DiMola via use-livecode wrote:

Does accordion count?


You know the definition of perfect pitch, right?

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Re: Android ANR (App not responding | Jacque was right :-)

[Mark Wieder via use-livecode]

On 9/15/23 13:50, Bob Sneidar via use-livecode wrote:

I used to be a musician until I looked up one day and discovered that no one 
was listening. I guess people got used to the idea that music was just supposed 
to be background noise, and so they treated live musicians the same way. You 
see it in bars with live bands all the time. That is why I try to pay special 
attention to live bands and applaud loudly between every song. Unless they 
suck. ;-)


I was at a wedding a few years ago and during the band's break the 
bandleader came up to me and said "you're a musician, right?" I asked 
how he knew and he said "you were paying attention while we played".


What got to me was their medley of "La Vie en Rose"->"Samba de Orfeu".

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Encoding in LC server - the final piece of the puzzle

[Neville Smythe via use-livecode]

With the help of forum readers  I have textEncode/Decode working in LC Server 
so that I can handle file names with ute-8 encoding and talking to mysql in 
tongues. 

But now I want to produce html documents including Chinese characters encoded 
with utf-8, using LC Server to output an .lc file to publish on the web. I had 
naively thought that putting in the “” header at the top 
would do it, but no, LC Server apparently serves up html with 
charset=ISO-8859-1 (the native encoding) declared by default, and that 
overrides the header in the .lc file. The encoding declared was checked using 
"Rex Swains HTTP Viewer”. I am reasonably confident the actual content of the 
file is correct utf-8, since the Chinese glyphs are rendered as garbage 
ISO-Latin characters not as 

The next step was adding a line such as

AddCharset UTF-8 .lc

to .htaccess. No help. I note that other web pages on the server are created by 
WordPress, and they have the charset=utf-8 declared.

I presume I am ignorant of some environment setting which controls what 
HTTPHeader is declared in the output from LCServer? The obvious choice “the 
HTTPHeaders” but that is not the answer it seems.

[I know I can get individual unicode characters to render using html escapes 
such as  even when the  page is declared with a non-unicode encoding, 
but that is not a viable solution here.]

Neville Smythe




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Re: Clipboard Copy Troubles?

[J. Landman Gay via use-livecode]

Yes, often. LC loses most of the editing shortcuts. It got fixed some 
versions ago and then lost them again.


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On September 15, 2023 2:04:44 PM Tom Glod via use-livecode 
 wrote:



Heyall,

Just wondering if anyone else has experienced issues where livecode stops
being able to copy to the clipboard when using copy command from the menu
or CTRL C or right click copy
Specifically from within the script editor or a variable window.
A LC restart seems to solve this temporarily.
I've noticed this recently more than usual.  On both mac and windows 11.

Does this ring a bell to anyone?

Thanks,

Tom
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Re: Android ANR (App not responding | Jacque was right :-)

[Bob Sneidar via use-livecode]

I used to be a musician until I looked up one day and discovered that no one 
was listening. I guess people got used to the idea that music was just supposed 
to be background noise, and so they treated live musicians the same way. You 
see it in bars with live bands all the time. That is why I try to pay special 
attention to live bands and applaud loudly between every song. Unless they 
suck. ;-)

Bob S


> On Sep 15, 2023, at 11:56 AM, William Prothero via use-livecode 
>  wrote:
> 
> Mark and Klaus,
> Wow, folks I didn't know were musicians!  
> I use iReal Pro too. It's great for practice. And, easily transposes. But as 
> a keyboard player, I use the notes of the tune to shape my solos. iReal Pro 
> only has the chords. It's still useful, though.
> 
> Best,
> Bill
> 
> William A. Prothero, PhD
> Prof Emeritus, Dept of Earth Science
> University of California, Santa Barbara
> 
>> On Sep 15, 2023, at 11:50 AM, Klaus major-k via use-livecode 
>>  wrote:
>> 
>> Hi Mark,
>> 
>>> Am 15.09.2023 um 20:26 schrieb Mark Wieder via use-livecode 
>>> :
 On 9/15/23 10:13, Klaus major-k via use-livecode wrote:
 I also own "iReal Pro" for Mac which can output 
 PDF if I need one
 and I also still own a printed version of the "Real Book I". :-)
>>> The only reason I have a 10" tablet is to run iRealPro on it.
>>> Hard to imagine doing without it.
>> 
>> good boy! :-)
>> 
>>> -- 
>>> Mark Wieder
>>> ahsoftw...@gmail.com
>> 
>> Best
>> 
>> Klaus
>> 
>> --
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>> https://www.major-k.de
>> https://www.major-k.de/bass
>> kl...@major-k.de
>> 
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Re: Android ANR (App not responding | Jacque was right :-)

[Klaus major-k via use-livecode]

Hi Ralph,

> Am 15.09.2023 um 22:10 schrieb Ralph DiMola via use-livecode 
> :
> 
> Does accordion count?

it does!
Since Al Yankowic...

Just kiddin'. :-D

> Ralph DiMola
> IT Director
> Evergreen Information Services
> rdim...@evergreeninfo.net
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: use-livecode [mailto:use-livecode-boun...@lists.runrev.com] On Behalf 
> Of William Prothero via use-livecode
> Sent: Friday, September 15, 2023 2:56 PM
> To: How to use LiveCode
> Cc: William Prothero
> Subject: Re: Android ANR (App not responding | Jacque was right :-)
> 
> Mark and Klaus,
> Wow, folks I didn't know were musicians!  
> I use iReal Pro too. It's great for practice. And, easily transposes. But as 
> a keyboard player, I use the notes of the tune to shape my solos. iReal Pro 
> only has the chords. It's still useful, though.
> 
> Best,
> Bill

Best

Klaus

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Re: Clipboard Copy Troubles?

[Bob Sneidar via use-livecode]

Since I use my own menus, I had to create my own Edit menu. Here is the text of 
the edit menu and the scripting. This is actually a behavior I assign to all my 
Edit menu buttons. Replace the value for cHomeStack with the name of your own 
home stack. Note that you can add additional menu items to the text of the 
menu, then add a customMenuPick handler to the actual button script to process 
them.  

Cu/x
/c
/v
C/b
Select /a
-
Settings...


constant cHomeStack = "Forms Generator"

on menuPick pItem
   put homeStack() into tMainStack
   put the selectedChunk into tChunk
   put value(tChunk) into tText
   put word -2 to -1 of tChunk into tTarget
   put the selectedObject into tRealTarget
   
   if word 1 of tTarget is "field" then
  put (the traversalOn of tTarget) and not (the locktext of tTarget) into 
tAllowEdits
   end if
   
   switch pItem
  case "Cut"
 if tText is not empty then \
   set the clipboardData ["text"] to tText
 
 if tAllowEdits then
put "put empty into" && tChunk into tCommand
do tCommand
 end if
 break
  case "Copy"
 if tText is not empty then \
   set the clipboardData ["text"] to tText
 break
  case "Paste"
 if tAllowEdits and the clipboardData ["text"] is not empty then \
   put "put the clipboardData [text] into" && tChunk into tCommand
 do tCommand
 break
  case "Clear"
 if tAllowEdits then \
   put "put empty into" && tChunk into tCommand
 do tCommand
 break
  case "Select All"
 try
select char 1 to -1 of tTarget
 end try
 
 break
  case "Find"
 if there is a field "FindBar" then focus on field "FindBar"
 exit to top
 break
  case "Settings..."
 if there is a card "Settings" of stack me then
go card "Settings" of stack me
 else
go card "Settings" of stack homeStack()
 end if
 
 break
  default
 dispatch "customMenuPick" to me with pItem
   end switch
   
   pass menuPick
end menuPick

on customMenuPick pItem
   Return empty
end customMenuPick

getProp displayName
   -- code
   return "Sly Edits"
end displayName

function homeStack
   put "stack" && quote & cHomeStack & quote into tMainStack
   return tMainStack
end homeStack



> On Sep 15, 2023, at 12:02 PM, Tom Glod via use-livecode 
>  wrote:
> 
> Heyall,
> 
> Just wondering if anyone else has experienced issues where livecode stops
> being able to copy to the clipboard when using copy command from the menu
> or CTRL C or right click copy
> Specifically from within the script editor or a variable window.
> A LC restart seems to solve this temporarily.
> I've noticed this recently more than usual.  On both mac and windows 11.
> 
> Does this ring a bell to anyone?
> 
> Thanks,
> 
> Tom
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Re: Android ANR (App not responding | Jacque was right :-)

[William Prothero via use-livecode]

Klaus,
 Very nice site and music. You're way above my skill level. I jam with friends 
a couple of times a week, but we are all retired and do it for fun and public 
performances are very rare.
Best,
Bill

William A. Prothero, PhD
Prof Emeritus, Dept of Earth Science
University of California, Santa Barbara

> On Sep 15, 2023, at 1:11 PM, Ralph DiMola via use-livecode 
>  wrote:
> 
> Does accordion count?
> 
> Ralph DiMola
> IT Director
> Evergreen Information Services
> rdim...@evergreeninfo.net
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: use-livecode [mailto:use-livecode-boun...@lists.runrev.com] On Behalf 
> Of William Prothero via use-livecode
> Sent: Friday, September 15, 2023 2:56 PM
> To: How to use LiveCode
> Cc: William Prothero
> Subject: Re: Android ANR (App not responding | Jacque was right :-)
> 
> Mark and Klaus,
> Wow, folks I didn't know were musicians!  
> I use iReal Pro too. It's great for practice. And, easily transposes. But as 
> a keyboard player, I use the notes of the tune to shape my solos. iReal Pro 
> only has the chords. It's still useful, though.
> 
> Best,
> Bill
> 
> William A. Prothero, PhD
> Prof Emeritus, Dept of Earth Science
> University of California, Santa Barbara
> 
>> On Sep 15, 2023, at 11:50 AM, Klaus major-k via use-livecode 
>>  wrote:
>> 
>> Hi Mark,
>> 
>>> Am 15.09.2023 um 20:26 schrieb Mark Wieder via use-livecode 
>>> :
> On 9/15/23 10:13, Klaus major-k via use-livecode wrote:
> I also own "iReal Pro" for Mac which can 
> output PDF if I need one and I also still own a printed version of 
> the "Real Book I". :-)
>>> The only reason I have a 10" tablet is to run iRealPro on it.
>>> Hard to imagine doing without it.
>> 
>> good boy! :-)
>> 
>>> --
>>> Mark Wieder
>>> ahsoftw...@gmail.com
>> 
>> Best
>> 
>> Klaus
>> 
>> --
>> Klaus Major
>> https://www.major-k.de
>> https://www.major-k.de/bass
>> kl...@major-k.de
>> 
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RE: Android ANR (App not responding | Jacque was right :-)

[Ralph DiMola via use-livecode]

Does accordion count?

Ralph DiMola
IT Director
Evergreen Information Services
rdim...@evergreeninfo.net

-Original Message-
From: use-livecode [mailto:use-livecode-boun...@lists.runrev.com] On Behalf Of 
William Prothero via use-livecode
Sent: Friday, September 15, 2023 2:56 PM
To: How to use LiveCode
Cc: William Prothero
Subject: Re: Android ANR (App not responding | Jacque was right :-)

Mark and Klaus,
Wow, folks I didn't know were musicians!  
I use iReal Pro too. It's great for practice. And, easily transposes. But as a 
keyboard player, I use the notes of the tune to shape my solos. iReal Pro only 
has the chords. It's still useful, though.

Best,
Bill

William A. Prothero, PhD
Prof Emeritus, Dept of Earth Science
University of California, Santa Barbara

> On Sep 15, 2023, at 11:50 AM, Klaus major-k via use-livecode 
>  wrote:
> 
> Hi Mark,
> 
>> Am 15.09.2023 um 20:26 schrieb Mark Wieder via use-livecode 
>> :
>>> On 9/15/23 10:13, Klaus major-k via use-livecode wrote:
>>> I also own "iReal Pro" for Mac which can 
>>> output PDF if I need one and I also still own a printed version of 
>>> the "Real Book I". :-)
>> The only reason I have a 10" tablet is to run iRealPro on it.
>> Hard to imagine doing without it.
> 
> good boy! :-)
> 
>> --
>> Mark Wieder
>> ahsoftw...@gmail.com
> 
> Best
> 
> Klaus
> 
> --
> Klaus Major
> https://www.major-k.de
> https://www.major-k.de/bass
> kl...@major-k.de
> 
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Re: Android ANR (App not responding | Jacque was right :-)

[Klaus major-k via use-livecode]

Hi Bill,

> Am 15.09.2023 um 20:56 schrieb William Prothero via use-livecode 
> :
> 
> Mark and Klaus,
> Wow, folks I didn't know were musicians!  

take a look at my bass page, see signature.
Lots of audio and video files. 
Don't worry, my site is in german and english.  
It is a bit outdated, but you'll get the picture. ;-)

> I use iReal Pro too. It's great for practice. And, easily transposes. But as 
> a keyboard player, I use the notes of the tune to shape my solos. iReal Pro 
> only has the chords. It's still useful, though.

Yep!

> Best,
> Bill

Best

Klaus

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Re: Clipboard Copy Troubles?

[Mark Wieder via use-livecode]

On 9/15/23 12:02, Tom Glod via use-livecode wrote:

Heyall,

Just wondering if anyone else has experienced issues where livecode stops
being able to copy to the clipboard when using copy command from the menu
or CTRL C or right click copy
Specifically from within the script editor or a variable window.
A LC restart seems to solve this temporarily.
I've noticed this recently more than usual.  On both mac and windows 11.

Does this ring a bell to anyone?


Yep. I see this a lot.

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Re: Android ANR (App not responding | Jacque was right :-)

[Mark Wieder via use-livecode]

On 9/15/23 11:56, William Prothero via use-livecode wrote:

Mark and Klaus,
Wow, folks I didn't know were musicians!
I use iReal Pro too. It's great for practice. And, easily transposes. But as a 
keyboard player, I use the notes of the tune to shape my solos. iReal Pro only 
has the chords. It's still useful, though.


OK - fair point about needing the notes. But as a bass player I'm 
usually more concerned with the horizontal movement of a tune.


I have Real Books Vols 1,2,3 but that's a lot to carry to a gig. I use 
them at home and Band-in-a-box as well but for real-time improvising I 
find that iRealPro generally does the job. Or I can copy a page out of 
one of the Real Books and hope the wind doesn't carry it away .


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Clipboard Copy Troubles?

[Tom Glod via use-livecode]

Heyall,

Just wondering if anyone else has experienced issues where livecode stops
being able to copy to the clipboard when using copy command from the menu
or CTRL C or right click copy
Specifically from within the script editor or a variable window.
A LC restart seems to solve this temporarily.
I've noticed this recently more than usual.  On both mac and windows 11.

Does this ring a bell to anyone?

Thanks,

Tom
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Re: Android ANR (App not responding | Jacque was right :-)

[William Prothero via use-livecode]

Mark and Klaus,
Wow, folks I didn't know were musicians!  
I use iReal Pro too. It's great for practice. And, easily transposes. But as a 
keyboard player, I use the notes of the tune to shape my solos. iReal Pro only 
has the chords. It's still useful, though.

Best,
Bill

William A. Prothero, PhD
Prof Emeritus, Dept of Earth Science
University of California, Santa Barbara

> On Sep 15, 2023, at 11:50 AM, Klaus major-k via use-livecode 
>  wrote:
> 
> Hi Mark,
> 
>> Am 15.09.2023 um 20:26 schrieb Mark Wieder via use-livecode 
>> :
>>> On 9/15/23 10:13, Klaus major-k via use-livecode wrote:
>>> I also own "iReal Pro" for Mac which can output 
>>> PDF if I need one
>>> and I also still own a printed version of the "Real Book I". :-)
>> The only reason I have a 10" tablet is to run iRealPro on it.
>> Hard to imagine doing without it.
> 
> good boy! :-)
> 
>> -- 
>> Mark Wieder
>> ahsoftw...@gmail.com
> 
> Best
> 
> Klaus
> 
> --
> Klaus Major
> https://www.major-k.de
> https://www.major-k.de/bass
> kl...@major-k.de
> 
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Re: Android ANR (App not responding | Jacque was right :-)

[Klaus major-k via use-livecode]

Hi Mark,

> Am 15.09.2023 um 20:26 schrieb Mark Wieder via use-livecode 
> :
> On 9/15/23 10:13, Klaus major-k via use-livecode wrote:
>> I also own "iReal Pro" for Mac which can output 
>> PDF if I need one
>> and I also still own a printed version of the "Real Book I". :-)
> The only reason I have a 10" tablet is to run iRealPro on it.
> Hard to imagine doing without it.

good boy! :-)

> -- 
> Mark Wieder
> ahsoftw...@gmail.com

Best

Klaus

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Re: Android ANR (App not responding | Jacque was right :-)

[Mark Wieder via use-livecode]

On 9/15/23 10:13, Klaus major-k via use-livecode wrote:


I also own "iReal Pro" for Mac which can output PDF 
if I need one
and I also still own a printed version of the "Real Book I". :-)


The only reason I have a 10" tablet is to run iRealPro on it.
Hard to imagine doing without it.

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Re: Android ANR (App not responding | Jacque was right :-)

[Klaus major-k via use-livecode]

Hi Bill,

> Am 15.09.2023 um 19:03 schrieb William Prothero via use-livecode 
> :
> 
> Klaus,
> Re sheet music display, I also display sheet music, mostly jazz. There's an 
> app, very low cost, named igigbook that displays pdfs. If you're into jazz, 
> you can get lots of real book music and there is even an addon for changing 
> the key for some realbook songs.
> 
> The trouble is, iGigbook is optimized for the Mac, so I'm not sure it would 
> work for you. So, excuse me if my comment is irrelevant to your goal.

thank you for the hint. 
There is also an Android app of iGigbook!

However, why buy something when you can do it by yourself, much more fun.
My app does exactly (sic!) what I need.

I also own "iReal Pro" for Mac which can output PDF 
if I need one
and I also still own a printed version of the "Real Book I". :-)

> Have fun,

I definitively do! :-)

> Bill
> William A. Prothero, PhD
> Prof Emeritus, Dept of Earth Science
> University of California, Santa Barbara

Best

Klaus

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Re: Android ANR (App not responding | Jacque was right :-)

[William Prothero via use-livecode]

Klaus,
Re sheet music display, I also display sheet music, mostly jazz. There's an 
app, very low cost, named igigbook that displays pdfs. If you're into jazz, you 
can get lots of real book music and there is even an addon for changing the key 
for some realbook songs.

The trouble is, iGigbook is optimized for the Mac, so I'm not sure it would 
work for you. So, excuse me if my comment is irrelevant to your goal.

Have fun,
Bill
William A. Prothero, PhD
Prof Emeritus, Dept of Earth Science
University of California, Santa Barbara

> On Sep 15, 2023, at 3:34 AM, Klaus major-k via use-livecode 
>  wrote:
> 
> Hi Mark,
> 
>> Am 15.09.2023 um 12:14 schrieb Mark Waddingham via use-livecode 
>> :
>> 
>>> On 2023-09-14 18:49, Klaus major-k via use-livecode wrote:
>>> But I'm using a Mac and it looks like that tool is not available here in 
>>> the SDK tools folder.
>>> Maybe available somewhere in "Android Studio".
>>> And my problem NEVER happened when I'm at home, only during band rehearsals 
>>> and gigs! :-D
>> So this is perhaps the most useful observation...
> 
> :-)
> 
>> This could suggest there is a either a difference in usage, or environment 
>> between the two places. e.g.
>> - is the app used more / for longer at gigs compared to home?
> 
> Yes.
> 
>> - how is the tablet powered at home vs at gigs?
> 
> Via its internal rechargable battery, will recharge it overnight with no 
> connection to my Mac.
> 
>> - how does the tablet connect to the internet at home vs at gigs? (even if 
>> the app does not use the internet, lots of background stuff on Android 
>> *does*)
> 
> At home via W-Lan, at gigs no internet connection (no SIM card or something!)
> 
>> - when the problem happens is there anything specific you can think of in 
>> common with what you were doing / the app was doing / the device was doing 
>> just before? (e.g. does it happen just after the device has gone to sleep).
> 
> No, sometimes I get the black screen immediately when I start the tablet at a 
> gig or rehearsal, sometimes after several quit/start of the app.
> 
>> The fact it is 'hanging' suggests there is something (on startup?) which is 
>> failing and causing an infinite loop.
> 
> Nothing remarkable here, I only fill the two polygrids (< 10 entries each) on 
> the first card on preopenstack.
> 
>> Is there anything in the startup code for the app which waits for something 
>> to happen? e.g. an network request, something to initialize etc.?
> 
> No, nada, just what I wrote above.
> 
>> Warmest Regards,
>> 
>> Mark.
>> 
>> P.S. If you send your app's source to supp...@livecode.com with a rough 
>> outline of where to look for startup code etc. then Panos and I can take a 
>> quick look and see if we can see anything which may be causing your issue.
> 
> Great, thanks, will remove all unneccessary files and will send it with some 
> instructions.
> 
>> -- 
>> Mark Waddingham ~ m...@livecode.com ~ http://www.livecode.com/
>> LiveCode: Build Amazing Things
> 
> Best
> 
> Klaus
> 
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> https://www.major-k.de/bass
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> 
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Re: Your scripts as a flowchart

[Bob Sneidar via use-livecode]

I was gonna say, I didn’t know he had a brother who was a LiveCoder too! 

Bob S


> On Sep 15, 2023, at 9:12 AM, Andreas Bergendal via use-livecode 
>  wrote:
> 
> Thanks, that’s great to hear, Mark! (And terribly sorry for the credit 
> misnaming - it’s Mark! I’ll remember that now!)
> 
>> 15 sep. 2023 kl. 17:47 skrev Mark Wieder via use-livecode 
>> :
>> 
>> Just want to add that Andreas has been super-responsive to suggestions re 
>> adding features and improving things and this tool has gone from being 
>> moderately useful to something I can't do without. And is a textbook example 
>> in how to incorporate a javascript library into LiveCode.
>> 
>> -- 
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>> ahsoftw...@gmail.com
>> 
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Re: Your scripts as a flowchart

[Andreas Bergendal via use-livecode]

Thanks, that’s great to hear, Mark! (And terribly sorry for the credit 
misnaming - it’s Mark! I’ll remember that now!)

> 15 sep. 2023 kl. 17:47 skrev Mark Wieder via use-livecode 
> :
> 
> Just want to add that Andreas has been super-responsive to suggestions re 
> adding features and improving things and this tool has gone from being 
> moderately useful to something I can't do without. And is a textbook example 
> in how to incorporate a javascript library into LiveCode.
> 
> -- 
> Mark Wieder
> ahsoftw...@gmail.com
> 
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Re: Your scripts as a flowchart

[Roger Guay via use-livecode]

Very cool! Thank you for sharing it, Andreas.

Roger


> On Sep 15, 2023, at 7:30 AM, Andreas Bergendal via use-livecode 
>  wrote:
> 
> Hi all!
> 
> Those frequenting the forums may have seen this already, but I thought I'd 
> share it here too now:
> 
> If you want to see a graphic map of the inter-relations of all the handlers 
> in the scripts of your LiveCode projects, my tool ScriptDependencies now 
> features an extremely cool flowchart output (using the Mermaid javascript 
> lib).
> 
> Here’s an example of how a script flowchart can look:
> https://wheninspace.com/browseranimation/WIS_ScriptDependencies_example.png
> 
> A few easy steps to test it on your own scripts:
> 
> 1) Download ScriptDependencies here:
> https://github.com/wheninspace/WIS_ScriptDepedencies/releases/latest
> 
> 2) Open the stack, click the top left cog wheel and add at least one stack 
> (that has at least some handlers calling other handlers) to a project.
> 3) Close the project pane and click "Start mapping and analysis”.
> 4) Click ”Create flowchart”. Boom! :)
> 
> On Mac, the browser widget can display the flowchart in-stack, enabling some 
> interactivity (click a node to highlight the arrows to and from it).
> On Windows and Linux, where the browser widget has, er... room for 
> improvement…, the flowchart is instead displayed in an external browser 
> window (minus interactivity).
> 
> My intention with ScriptDependencies is to provide a code analysis and live 
> documentation tool (of some kind) for LiveCode projects. I need it myself for 
> some big LC projects, and thought it might be useful also for other LC devs.
> 
> The tool has been thoroughly tested by LC veterans like bn (Bernd), jacque 
> (Jacqueline) and mwieder (Mike), who have all provided invaluable feedback 
> and improvement suggestions, bringing the tool up to quite a professional 
> level.
> 
> I hope you’ll find use for it - or at least enjoy seeing your scripts 
> presented as a bouquet of flowers, a piece of art! :)
> 
> Any feedback is very welcome!
> 
> /Andreas
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Re: Your scripts as a flowchart

[Mark Wieder via use-livecode]

Just want to add that Andreas has been super-responsive to suggestions 
re adding features and improving things and this tool has gone from 
being moderately useful to something I can't do without. And is a 
textbook example in how to incorporate a javascript library into LiveCode.


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Re: Your scripts as a flowchart

[Bob Sneidar via use-livecode]

Very cool. I’ll give it a try. But whereas most people’s code will look like a 
bowl of spaghetti, mine will probably look like Whoppi Goldberg’s hair. 

Bob S


> On Sep 15, 2023, at 7:30 AM, Andreas Bergendal via use-livecode 
>  wrote:
> 
> Hi all!
> 
> Those frequenting the forums may have seen this already, but I thought I'd 
> share it here too now:
> 
> If you want to see a graphic map of the inter-relations of all the handlers 
> in the scripts of your LiveCode projects, my tool ScriptDependencies now 
> features an extremely cool flowchart output (using the Mermaid javascript 
> lib).
> 
> Here’s an example of how a script flowchart can look:
> https://wheninspace.com/browseranimation/WIS_ScriptDependencies_example.png
> 
> A few easy steps to test it on your own scripts:
> 
> 1) Download ScriptDependencies here:
> https://github.com/wheninspace/WIS_ScriptDepedencies/releases/latest
> 
> 2) Open the stack, click the top left cog wheel and add at least one stack 
> (that has at least some handlers calling other handlers) to a project.
> 3) Close the project pane and click "Start mapping and analysis”.
> 4) Click ”Create flowchart”. Boom! :)
> 
> On Mac, the browser widget can display the flowchart in-stack, enabling some 
> interactivity (click a node to highlight the arrows to and from it).
> On Windows and Linux, where the browser widget has, er... room for 
> improvement…, the flowchart is instead displayed in an external browser 
> window (minus interactivity).
> 
> My intention with ScriptDependencies is to provide a code analysis and live 
> documentation tool (of some kind) for LiveCode projects. I need it myself for 
> some big LC projects, and thought it might be useful also for other LC devs.
> 
> The tool has been thoroughly tested by LC veterans like bn (Bernd), jacque 
> (Jacqueline) and mwieder (Mike), who have all provided invaluable feedback 
> and improvement suggestions, bringing the tool up to quite a professional 
> level.
> 
> I hope you’ll find use for it - or at least enjoy seeing your scripts 
> presented as a bouquet of flowers, a piece of art! :)
> 
> Any feedback is very welcome!
> 
> /Andreas
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Re: Your scripts as a flowchart

[Mark Smith via use-livecode]

Very cool Andreas. I look forward to trying this out. 

Mark

> On 15 Sep 2023, at 3:30 pm, Andreas Bergendal via use-livecode 
>  wrote:
> 
> Hi all!
> 
> Those frequenting the forums may have seen this already, but I thought I'd 
> share it here too now:
> 
> If you want to see a graphic map of the inter-relations of all the handlers 
> in the scripts of your LiveCode projects, my tool ScriptDependencies now 
> features an extremely cool flowchart output (using the Mermaid javascript 
> lib).
> 
> Here’s an example of how a script flowchart can look:
> https://wheninspace.com/browseranimation/WIS_ScriptDependencies_example.png
> 
> A few easy steps to test it on your own scripts:
> 
> 1) Download ScriptDependencies here:
> https://github.com/wheninspace/WIS_ScriptDepedencies/releases/latest
> 
> 2) Open the stack, click the top left cog wheel and add at least one stack 
> (that has at least some handlers calling other handlers) to a project.
> 3) Close the project pane and click "Start mapping and analysis”.
> 4) Click ”Create flowchart”. Boom! :)
> 
> On Mac, the browser widget can display the flowchart in-stack, enabling some 
> interactivity (click a node to highlight the arrows to and from it).
> On Windows and Linux, where the browser widget has, er... room for 
> improvement…, the flowchart is instead displayed in an external browser 
> window (minus interactivity).
> 
> My intention with ScriptDependencies is to provide a code analysis and live 
> documentation tool (of some kind) for LiveCode projects. I need it myself for 
> some big LC projects, and thought it might be useful also for other LC devs.
> 
> The tool has been thoroughly tested by LC veterans like bn (Bernd), jacque 
> (Jacqueline) and mwieder (Mike), who have all provided invaluable feedback 
> and improvement suggestions, bringing the tool up to quite a professional 
> level.
> 
> I hope you’ll find use for it - or at least enjoy seeing your scripts 
> presented as a bouquet of flowers, a piece of art! :)
> 
> Any feedback is very welcome!
> 
> /Andreas
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Your scripts as a flowchart

[Andreas Bergendal via use-livecode]

Hi all!

Those frequenting the forums may have seen this already, but I thought I'd 
share it here too now:

If you want to see a graphic map of the inter-relations of all the handlers in 
the scripts of your LiveCode projects, my tool ScriptDependencies now features 
an extremely cool flowchart output (using the Mermaid javascript lib).

Here’s an example of how a script flowchart can look:
https://wheninspace.com/browseranimation/WIS_ScriptDependencies_example.png

A few easy steps to test it on your own scripts:

1) Download ScriptDependencies here:
https://github.com/wheninspace/WIS_ScriptDepedencies/releases/latest

2) Open the stack, click the top left cog wheel and add at least one stack 
(that has at least some handlers calling other handlers) to a project.
3) Close the project pane and click "Start mapping and analysis”.
4) Click ”Create flowchart”. Boom! :)

On Mac, the browser widget can display the flowchart in-stack, enabling some 
interactivity (click a node to highlight the arrows to and from it).
On Windows and Linux, where the browser widget has, er... room for 
improvement…, the flowchart is instead displayed in an external browser window 
(minus interactivity).

My intention with ScriptDependencies is to provide a code analysis and live 
documentation tool (of some kind) for LiveCode projects. I need it myself for 
some big LC projects, and thought it might be useful also for other LC devs.

The tool has been thoroughly tested by LC veterans like bn (Bernd), jacque 
(Jacqueline) and mwieder (Mike), who have all provided invaluable feedback and 
improvement suggestions, bringing the tool up to quite a professional level.

I hope you’ll find use for it - or at least enjoy seeing your scripts presented 
as a bouquet of flowers, a piece of art! :)

Any feedback is very welcome!

/Andreas
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Re: Android ANR (App not responding | Jacque was right :-)

[Klaus major-k via use-livecode]

Hi Mark,

> Am 15.09.2023 um 12:14 schrieb Mark Waddingham via use-livecode 
> :
> 
> On 2023-09-14 18:49, Klaus major-k via use-livecode wrote:
>> But I'm using a Mac and it looks like that tool is not available here in the 
>> SDK tools folder.
>> Maybe available somewhere in "Android Studio".
>> And my problem NEVER happened when I'm at home, only during band rehearsals 
>> and gigs! :-D
> So this is perhaps the most useful observation...

:-)

> This could suggest there is a either a difference in usage, or environment 
> between the two places. e.g.
>  - is the app used more / for longer at gigs compared to home?

Yes.

>  - how is the tablet powered at home vs at gigs?

Via its internal rechargable battery, will recharge it overnight with no 
connection to my Mac.

>  - how does the tablet connect to the internet at home vs at gigs? (even if 
> the app does not use the internet, lots of background stuff on Android *does*)

At home via W-Lan, at gigs no internet connection (no SIM card or something!)

>  - when the problem happens is there anything specific you can think of in 
> common with what you were doing / the app was doing / the device was doing 
> just before? (e.g. does it happen just after the device has gone to sleep).

No, sometimes I get the black screen immediately when I start the tablet at a 
gig or rehearsal, sometimes after several quit/start of the app.

> The fact it is 'hanging' suggests there is something (on startup?) which is 
> failing and causing an infinite loop.

Nothing remarkable here, I only fill the two polygrids (< 10 entries each) on 
the first card on preopenstack.

> Is there anything in the startup code for the app which waits for something 
> to happen? e.g. an network request, something to initialize etc.?

No, nada, just what I wrote above.

> Warmest Regards,
> 
> Mark.
> 
> P.S. If you send your app's source to supp...@livecode.com with a rough 
> outline of where to look for startup code etc. then Panos and I can take a 
> quick look and see if we can see anything which may be causing your issue.

Great, thanks, will remove all unneccessary files and will send it with some 
instructions.

> -- 
> Mark Waddingham ~ m...@livecode.com ~ http://www.livecode.com/
> LiveCode: Build Amazing Things

Best

Klaus

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Re: Android ANR (App not responding | Jacque was right :-)

[Mark Waddingham via use-livecode]

On 2023-09-14 18:49, Klaus major-k via use-livecode wrote:
But I'm using a Mac and it looks like that tool is not available here 
in the SDK tools folder.

Maybe available somewhere in "Android Studio".

And my problem NEVER happened when I'm at home, only during band 
rehearsals and gigs! :-D


So this is perhaps the most useful observation...

This could suggest there is a either a difference in usage, or 
environment between the two places. e.g.


  - is the app used more / for longer at gigs compared to home?
  - how is the tablet powered at home vs at gigs?
  - how does the tablet connect to the internet at home vs at gigs? 
(even if the app does not use the internet, lots of background stuff on 
Android *does*)
  - when the problem happens is there anything specific you can think of 
in common with what you were doing / the app was doing / the device was 
doing just before? (e.g. does it happen just after the device has gone 
to sleep).


The fact it is 'hanging' suggests there is something (on startup?) which 
is failing and causing an infinite loop.


Is there anything in the startup code for the app which waits for 
something to happen? e.g. an network request, something to initialize 
etc.?


Warmest Regards,

Mark.

P.S. If you send your app's source to supp...@livecode.com with a rough 
outline of where to look for startup code etc. then Panos and I can take 
a quick look and see if we can see anything which may be causing your 
issue.


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Re: Android ANR (App not responding | Jacque was right :-)

[Klaus major-k via use-livecode]

Hi all,

> Am 14.09.2023 um 20:03 schrieb J. Landman Gay via use-livecode 
> :
> 
> He's not crashing, it's a hang. I can't remember if logcat shows those.
> My guess is that it's a memory problem since he's running a very old version 
> of Android with not much RAM,

it is a Galaxy Tab A (2016) with 2 GB RAM and 32 GB hd (or SSD?) running 
Android 8.1.
So the LC Android engine is a bit RAM "hungry"? Or are the new widgets like 
PolyGrid? 

Strange, I have another LC app installed on my Samsung Galaxy J7 (2016) cell 
phone 
with 2 GB of RAM and 16 GB HD which never ever crashed or hung in the last year?

> and restarting the app may force retained apps to release RAM. But a log 
> can't hurt at any rate.
> 
> Klaus, remove all unnecessary widgets from your home screen(s). Also go 
> through all the apps in settings and disable or delete any you don't use. 
> Android will not allow you to do that for required apps so if the buttons are 
> enabled then it's safe. Most devices come with a lot of bloatware that runs 
> in the background and uses memory. Widgets are especially bad at that.

I already disabled and deleted everything that could be disabled and deleted, 
since I 
exclusivley (sic!) use the tablet to display sheet music. Therefore I really 
wonder 
why this does not happen more often?

Will try to check the "logcat", when this will happen the next time.
Thanks for all hints so far.

> --
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> HyperActive Software | http://www.hyperactivesw.com
> On September 14, 2023 12:21:15 PM Ralph DiMola via use-livecode 
>  wrote:
> 
>> Get a logcat after a crash and see if Panos can glean anything useful from
>> it. It helped me once identifying and getting a crash fix implemented.

Best

Klaus

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