Re: basic math help

[DunbarX]

I am assuming that GW and mW are single variable names?

n = GW-25 / mW +25

Craig Newman
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basic math help

[Hugh Senior]

Can anyone help me out, perhaps off list, with re-jigging this equation in
terms of n?

GW = (n * mW) + [(n-1) * 25]

I've tried but my school days are too long ago!

/H

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Re: Stack working in MACOS, not in Windows.

[stephen barncard]

thanks for the tips, Jacque and Mark
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On 20 February 2010 12:45, J. Landman Gay  wrote:

> stephen barncard wrote:
>
>> Something is happening between the decoding of the files which are
>> created,
>> and the playing of them. The player code alone works in Windows, so
>> perhaps
>> the decryption is messed up.
>>
>
> After you decode the file, try exiting the handler and opening the file and
> seeing if it will play in a different app. That will at least tell you if
> the decoding has gone wrong. It isn't clear what kind of encryption you're
> using but there may be platform differences during decryption.
>
> BTW, the dot before a file name will only hide the file on Mac OS X. On
> Windows it will still be fully visible.
>
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Re: Search / replace

[Kee Nethery]

On Feb 20, 2010, at 6:04 PM, Jim Bufalini wrote:

> Kee Nethery wrote:
> 
>> This may not be the fastest but I think it is easy to grok a year later
>> when you are revisiting the code
>> 
>> repeat with x = 0 to 9
>>  replace (x & "[") with (x & "_") in theField
>> end repeat
> 
> Another good and different take, Kee. :-) Just, did you intend to have the
> line:
> 
> replace "[" with empty in theField
> after the repeat loop? 

yes, didn't see that requirement.
kee

> 
> Thanks for sharing Kee and reinforcing again that there is always yet
> another way to do it in Rev!
> 
> Aloha from Hawaii,
> 
> Jim Bufalini
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Re: Search / replace

[Phil Davis]

Thanks Kee. This is simple and clear, and is a great way to do it for 
the exact reason you gave.


Phil Davis


On 2/20/10 4:04 PM, Kee Nethery wrote:

This may not be the fastest but I think it is easy to grok a year later when 
you are revisiting the code

repeat with x = 0 to 9
   replace (x&  "[") with (x&  "_") in theField
end repeat

   

For all [ in the field I need to check to see if the character to it's
immediate left is a number.

If it is a number then the [ is to be converted into an _.

If it is not a number then the [ is to be removed (no substitution or
spaces).

I need to be able to cycle through the entire field which each line may
contain several [.

Any thoughts would be appreciated as I have tried using a combination of
find characters and foundchunk on the field without success.

thanks,

 

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Re: "the files", "get URL" and Unicode File Names

[Igor de Oliveira Couto]

Dear Stephen,

Many thanks for the suggestion:

On 21/02/2010, at 4:25 PM, stephen barncard wrote:

> Igor, why don't you try and use "the detailed files", URLDecode it and parse
> out the filenames? Perhaps URLDecoding can preserve those characters.
> 
> just a thought. Not tested.

I tried it, and it doesn't work. When the file name is a "ĉ" (c+circumflex), 
for instance, it encodes it as 2 separate characters: a "c" and a "^" 
circumflex. When I URLdecode it, therefore, I end up with a "c^". The name of 
the file is different, and Revolution's functions (get url, there is a file, 
etc.) cannot find the file...

Please do send any more suggestions, though. I really want this to work, and 
I'll try anything!!!  :)

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Re: "the files", "get URL" and Unicode File Names

[stephen barncard]

Igor, why don't you try and use "the detailed files", URLDecode it and parse
out the filenames? Perhaps URLDecoding can preserve those characters.

just a thought. Not tested.
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On 20 February 2010 13:48, Igor de Oliveira Couto wrote:

> Dear List Members,
>
> I am trying to write a reasonably simple test script, which would iterate
> through every file in a chosen directory, and give me the md5 checksum for
> that file. I am coming across a problem, which *may* be related to Unicode,
> but I'm not certain. The algorithm is like this:
>
> * user selects directory
> * get list of files in directory (using 'the files')
> * for every file in the list:
> ** get the file data stream (using 'get URL "binfile:..."')
> ** get the checksum
>
> The function that gets the datastream using 'get URL' returns 'empty' in
> case it cannot find the file. I am finding, that when a file has certain
> accented or foreign characters in its name, 'get URL' is unable to find it -
> even though it is using the original unmodified string returned by 'the
> files'... What is most puzzling, is that this does not happen with *every*
> file that has an international character in it - files with french, spanish,
> german or even scandinavian characters fly through without a hitch. But if I
> have a file that has a "ĉ" (c+circumflex) or "ŭ" (u+breve) in its name, for
> instance, it chokes.
>
> Am I doing something wrong, or missing something basic? - or did I hit a
> limitation, or bug?
>
> Many thanks for any guidance,
>
> --
> Igor de Oliveira Couto
> Sydney, Australia
>
>
> PS - the code in full, for those interested:
>
> 1) Make a new Mainstack, and add a field named "folderContents", and a
> button.
> 2) Put the following into the button's script:
>
> on mouseUp
>   answer folder "Please select a folder:"
>   if it is empty then exit mouseUp
>   local tDefault, tItems
>   put the defaultFolder into tDefault
>   set the defaultFolder to it
>   put empty into field "folderContents"
>   put the files into tItems
>   repeat for each line xLine in tItems
>  put "name=" & quote & xLine & quote after field "folderContents"
>  put " checksum=" & quote & fileDigest(the defaultFolder & "/" & xLine)
> & quote & return after field "folderContents"
>   end repeat
>   filter field "folderContents" without empty
>   set the defaultFolder to tDefault
> end mouseUp
>
> function hexDigest pvalue
>   local tRes, tMD5
>   put md5Digest(pValue) into tMD5
>   get binaryDecode("H*",tMD5,tRes)
>   return tRes
> end hexDigest
>
> function fileDigest pFile
>   if there is a file pFile then
>  get URL ("binfile:" & pFile)
>  return hexDigest(it)
>   else
>  return empty
>   end if
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Re: Search / replace

[J. Landman Gay]

Igor de Oliveira Couto wrote:

Mike, thank you very much for this pointer:

On 21/02/2010, at 5:28 AM, Mike Bonner wrote:


If you want do the search/replace with regex, you can do similar to
this..

put replaceText(field "Field","(?<=\d)\[","-") into tTmp put
replaceText(tTmp,"(?

[...]

Someone should definitely add this to the User Guide - or at the very
least one of us should make an entry about this in the Dictionary,
under 'replaceText'. Pleease!



I definitely kept a copy myself, it's very clever. It's a very specific 
implementation of regex though, so I'm not sure it would be useful for 
most people. But feel free to add it to the doc notes if you want, 
anyone can do that.


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RE: Search / replace

[Jim Bufalini]

Kee Nethery wrote:

> This may not be the fastest but I think it is easy to grok a year later
> when you are revisiting the code
> 
> repeat with x = 0 to 9
>   replace (x & "[") with (x & "_") in theField
> end repeat

Another good and different take, Kee. :-) Just, did you intend to have the
line:

replace "[" with empty in theField

after the repeat loop? 

Thanks for sharing Kee and reinforcing again that there is always yet
another way to do it in Rev!

Aloha from Hawaii,

Jim Bufalini

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Re: Datagrid and Custom Controls

[RevList]

Never mind.  I figured it out.

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Re: Search / replace

[Kee Nethery]

This may not be the fastest but I think it is easy to grok a year later when 
you are revisiting the code

repeat with x = 0 to 9
  replace (x & "[") with (x & "_") in theField
end repeat


> 
> For all [ in the field I need to check to see if the character to it's
> immediate left is a number.
> 
> If it is a number then the [ is to be converted into an _.
> 
> If it is not a number then the [ is to be removed (no substitution or
> spaces).
> 
> I need to be able to cycle through the entire field which each line may
> contain several [.
> 
> Any thoughts would be appreciated as I have tried using a combination of
> find characters and foundchunk on the field without success.
> 
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"the files", "get URL" and Unicode File Names

[Igor de Oliveira Couto]

Dear List Members,

I am trying to write a reasonably simple test script, which would iterate 
through every file in a chosen directory, and give me the md5 checksum for that 
file. I am coming across a problem, which *may* be related to Unicode, but I'm 
not certain. The algorithm is like this:

* user selects directory
* get list of files in directory (using 'the files')
* for every file in the list:
** get the file data stream (using 'get URL "binfile:..."')
** get the checksum

The function that gets the datastream using 'get URL' returns 'empty' in case 
it cannot find the file. I am finding, that when a file has certain accented or 
foreign characters in its name, 'get URL' is unable to find it - even though it 
is using the original unmodified string returned by 'the files'... What is most 
puzzling, is that this does not happen with *every* file that has an 
international character in it - files with french, spanish, german or even 
scandinavian characters fly through without a hitch. But if I have a file that 
has a "ĉ" (c+circumflex) or "ŭ" (u+breve) in its name, for instance, it chokes.

Am I doing something wrong, or missing something basic? - or did I hit a 
limitation, or bug?

Many thanks for any guidance,

--
Igor de Oliveira Couto
Sydney, Australia


PS - the code in full, for those interested:

1) Make a new Mainstack, and add a field named "folderContents", and a button.
2) Put the following into the button's script:

on mouseUp
   answer folder "Please select a folder:"
   if it is empty then exit mouseUp
   local tDefault, tItems
   put the defaultFolder into tDefault
   set the defaultFolder to it
   put empty into field "folderContents"
   put the files into tItems
   repeat for each line xLine in tItems
  put "name=" & quote & xLine & quote after field "folderContents"
  put " checksum=" & quote & fileDigest(the defaultFolder & "/" & xLine) & 
quote & return after field "folderContents"
   end repeat
   filter field "folderContents" without empty
   set the defaultFolder to tDefault
end mouseUp

function hexDigest pvalue 
   local tRes, tMD5
   put md5Digest(pValue) into tMD5 
   get binaryDecode("H*",tMD5,tRes) 
   return tRes 
end hexDigest

function fileDigest pFile
   if there is a file pFile then
  get URL ("binfile:" & pFile)
  return hexDigest(it)
   else
  return empty
   end if
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Re: [OT] Languages and cultures (was Re: survey)

[Igor de Oliveira Couto]

I sympathise:

On 21/02/2010, at 7:26 AM, J. Landman Gay wrote:

[...]

> hen some other family would have been getting 3 AM phone calls from 9 year 
> olds who had various, though usually unoriginal, suggestions for us.

[...]

Our phone number used to be 1 digit off the number the local radio station used 
when running on-air competitions. We used to get regular phone calls at 3:00am 
from people who were desperate to tell us that they "knew the name of the song"!

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Re: Search / replace

[Igor de Oliveira Couto]

Mike, thank you very much for this pointer:

On 21/02/2010, at 5:28 AM, Mike Bonner wrote:

> If you want do the search/replace with regex, you can do similar to this..
> 
>   put replaceText(field "Field","(?<=\d)\[","-") into tTmp
>   put replaceText(tTmp,"(? 
> This does a look behind.

[...]

Someone should definitely add this to the User Guide - or at the very least one 
of us should make an entry about this in the Dictionary, under 'replaceText'. 
Pleease!

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Re: peoples choice

[zryip theSlug]

2010/2/20 René Micout :
> Hello from Paris (France),
> What is "Revers", "Vimy-Ridge"
> Thank you
> René

Bonjour René!

Revers could be a neologism for Rev users.
Vimy-Ridge : http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battle_of_Vimy_Ridge


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Re: Stack working in MACOS, not in Windows.

[J. Landman Gay]

stephen barncard wrote:

Something is happening between the decoding of the files which are created,
and the playing of them. The player code alone works in Windows, so perhaps
the decryption is messed up.


After you decode the file, try exiting the handler and opening the file 
and seeing if it will play in a different app. That will at least tell 
you if the decoding has gone wrong. It isn't clear what kind of 
encryption you're using but there may be platform differences during 
decryption.


BTW, the dot before a file name will only hide the file on Mac OS X. On 
Windows it will still be fully visible.


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Re: Strange menubar problem

[J. Landman Gay]

Peter Haworth wrote:
I've set up the standard app/file/edit/help menus to be displayed in the 
OSX menu bar of my app.  The menubars property is correctly set to the 
name of the group containing the menu definitions and the editMenus 
property is set to false.  The menus appear correctly in the OSX menu bar.


However, every time I run my app, the main stack window grows in height 
by a few pixels added to the bottom of the window.  This is a cumulative 
effect so each time the app runs, the the main stack window gets 
progressively taller.  If I manually resize the main stack window then 
rerun my app, it appears with the height as it was before I manually 
resized it.


I can't find any scripts that would affect the size of the main stack 
window.  The main stack is displayed as a pallette.  I'm running rev 4.0 
on OSX 10.5.

Any clues?


It sounds like the shrinking stack phenomenon, which is a long-standing 
bug, only yours is in reverse. If it's the same bug, then check to see 
if the destroystack property of your stack is set to true. If so, turn 
that off. In the case of shrinking stacks, that's the culprit. There's 
an ancient bug report about it, and last I asked, it was going to be fixed.


If that isn't the problem then try setting the menubar of the stack to 
empty (which will pop the menus back to the top of the stack window,) 
size the stack the way you want it, save the stack, then set the menubar 
property again and resave.


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Re: How to enter a time of day

[Jeffrey Massung]

Pete,

If your app runs exclusively on the Mac you may want to just look at 
integrating iCal into it with AppleScript and handle it that way...

When your app launches or whenever is appropriate, let the user select a 
calendar file that's exclusive to your app. The user could open it in iCal to 
adjust things or open it through your app. You could likely then use 
AppleScript to get various date/times from it to do your tasks. 

I don't use iCal (much) and have never looked to see what functionality is 
provided for it through AppleScript. But you may end getting a very win-win out 
of this: let the user thing "awesome!" because it "just works" with iCal and 
let's you relax and let iCal do most of the heavy lifting in this department. 
:-)

Jeff M.

On Feb 20, 2010, at 1:17 PM, Peter Haworth wrote:

> Thanks Marty and Jeff.
> 
> I will take a look at at your stack Marty.
> 
> Jeff, you raise a good point, I hadn't thought about.  I'm mainly running on 
> a Mac and people tend to schedule things with tasks/appointments in iCal 
> although various third party tools have their own built in schedulers with 
> their own ways of entering times.
> 
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Re: Displaying stack images in revBrowser?

[Jeffrey Massung]

Ah yes! Forgot about that in HTML. 

Danke!

Jeff M.

On Feb 20, 2010, at 1:55 PM, David Coker wrote:

>> Is this possible? I'm never loading an external page as opposed to 
>> generating the HTML I want to display. I'd like to put an > src="My_Image"> in the HTML, but it doesn't work. Any clues?
>> 
> 
> 
> I had the same questions a month or two ago... this solution provided
> as a courtesy from Shao Sean:
>   
> You need to embed the image inline as base64 data..
> 
> 

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Re: [OT] Languages and cultures (was Re: survey)

[J. Landman Gay]

Richmond Mathewson wrote:

Certainly it would be quite difficult to work out the semantic step from 
'jolly' to
'homosexual' unless, of course, there was an awareness of the even 
earlier sense

of 'heterosexual looseness'.


If I remember right, there was no semantic drift. The group simply 
decided arbitrarily that "gay" was the word they wanted to adopt, and 
then did so. It could easily have been anything else, and if it had 
been, then some other family would have been getting 3 AM phone calls 
from 9 year olds who had various, though usually unoriginal, suggestions 
for us.


That all stopped when Caller ID became widespread, btw, for which we 
remain extremely grateful.


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Re: File Type for DLL

[Bill Vlahos]

Oh, never mind. This is a Windows file and the docs say it is only for Mac 
files.

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On Feb 20, 2010, at 12:18 PM, Bill Vlahos wrote:

> I set the following file types for various files.
> 
>  switch tFileExt
>   case ".rev"
>  put "RevoRSTK" into tFileType
>  break
>   case ".mc"
>  put "MCRDMSTK" into tFileType
>  break
>   case ".doc"
>  put "MSWDWDOC" into tFileType
>  break
>end switch
> 
> What would it be for a Windows .dll file?
> 
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File Type for DLL

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I set the following file types for various files.

  switch tFileExt
   case ".rev"
  put "RevoRSTK" into tFileType
  break
   case ".mc"
  put "MCRDMSTK" into tFileType
  break
   case ".doc"
  put "MSWDWDOC" into tFileType
  break
end switch

What would it be for a Windows .dll file?

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Re: Search / replace

[J. Landman Gay]

Mike Bonner wrote:

If you want do the search/replace with regex, you can do similar to this..

   put replaceText(field "Field","(?<=\d)\[","-") into tTmp
   put replaceText(tTmp,"(?

Amazing, thank you. I knew there had to be a way to do this but my regex 
skills aren't good enough. Very nice!


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Re: Displaying stack images in revBrowser?

[David Coker]

> Is this possible? I'm never loading an external page as opposed to generating 
> the HTML I want to display. I'd like to put an  in the 
> HTML, but it doesn't work. Any clues?
>


I had the same questions a month or two ago... this solution provided
as a courtesy from Shao Sean:

You need to embed the image inline as base64 data..



(note, the square brackets are part of the placeholders and should not
appear in the final code)

A quick break-down of the syntax

  -- standard html

HTH,
David C.
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Re: How to enter a time of day

[Peter Haworth]

Thanks Marty and Jeff.

I will take a look at at your stack Marty.

Jeff, you raise a good point, I hadn't thought about.  I'm mainly  
running on a Mac and people tend to schedule things with tasks/ 
appointments in iCal although various third party tools have their own  
built in schedulers with their own ways of entering times.


Pete Haworth

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Re: peoples choice

[René Micout]

Hello from Paris (France),
What is "Revers", "Vimy-Ridge"
Thank you
René

Le 20 févr. 2010 à 18:32, Rick Rice a écrit :

> John:
>   I definitely agree. Bath is an absolutely beautiful city. We visited 
> from Canada in the summer of 08.
> Which brings me a way off topic for this list. We will be visiting France in 
> October. Are there any Revers in France who would be willing to communicate, 
> off list, to give a non-bilingual Canadian suggestions as to what to see, do, 
> or avoid particularly in the Vimy-Ridge and Normandy areas?
> Rick

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Re: Search / replace

[Mike Bonner]

If you want do the search/replace with regex, you can do similar to this..

   put replaceText(field "Field","(?<=\d)\[","-") into tTmp
   put replaceText(tTmp,"(?http://www.regular-expressions.info/quickstart.html
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Re: Displaying stack images in revBrowser?

[stephen barncard]

That is a very good question. Forgive me for being so abrupt. So is the
address supposed to be relative to the stack or to the browser libraries of
the host system?? We should know this.
-
Stephen Barncard
San Francisco
http://houseofcubes.com/disco.irev


On 20 February 2010 09:35, Jeffrey Massung  wrote:

> What full path name?
>
> To be clear: I know I can use file:// and ship the image along with the app
> as a resource. I'd prefer not to do that and just use the image that's
> already embedded in the stack file (if possible).
>
> Jeff M.
>
>
> On Feb 20, 2010, at 11:22 AM, stephen barncard wrote:
>
> > try using full pathnames
>
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Re: How to enter a time of day

[Jeffrey Massung]

You may want to take a look at Windows' task scheduler or whatever it is on the 
platform you are targeting. While it's possible to come up with something 
better and easier, I usually find that straying from UI paradigms that users 
are accustomed to can end up causing a lot of needless pain for the developer: 
annoying bug reports that aren't really bugs and feature requests to make 
something act "normal".

If you want something graphical, I'd make the input a selection (like a date 
picker) or typed in, and perhaps have an analog clock graphic that can indicate 
to the user potential problems.

My 2 cents.

Jeff M.


On Feb 20, 2010, at 11:35 AM, Marty Knapp wrote:

> Hi Peter,
> 
> I don't know if it would help, but I have a stack at RevOnline called 
> "Marty's Sliders" that would give you more flexibility and could perhaps be 
> adapted for your use.
> 
> At the end of the mouseMove handler there's a line that computes a value and 
> puts it into a field to in effect show the thumbPosition of the slider.
> 
> Marty Knapp
>> I have a need for users to enter a start and end time of an event and I'm  
>> trying to come up with a graphical way for them to do that to ensure that 
>> the time is in the correct format.
>> 
>> What appeals to me the most is to use some sort of slider that would 
>> increment/decrement the time of day in 15 minute intervals.  I was hoping 
>> the rev slider control would be the answer to it but it only seems to deal 
>> with whole numbers on its scale, haven't been able to figure out how to deal 
>> with time-based numbers.
>> 
>> Any recommendations on how to set about implementing this?
>> 
>> Pete Haworth
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
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Re: How to enter a time of day

[stephen barncard]

There's some very useful code in Marty's stack - I modified it slightly so
as to use a behavior and put the slider components into a group rather than
putting the scripts in the buttons, so I could use the same code with any
number of sliders.
-
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On 20 February 2010 09:35, Marty Knapp  wrote:

> Hi Peter,
>
> I don't know if it would help, but I have a stack at RevOnline called
> "Marty's Sliders" that would give you more flexibility and could perhaps be
> adapted for your use.
>
> At the end of the mouseMove handler there's a line that computes a value
> and puts it into a field to in effect show the thumbPosition of the slider.
>
> Marty Knapp
>
>  I have a need for users to enter a start and end time of an event and I'm
>>  trying to come up with a graphical way for them to do that to ensure that
>> the time is in the correct format.
>>
>> What appeals to me the most is to use some sort of slider that would
>> increment/decrement the time of day in 15 minute intervals.  I was hoping
>> the rev slider control would be the answer to it but it only seems to deal
>> with whole numbers on its scale, haven't been able to figure out how to deal
>> with time-based numbers.
>>
>> Any recommendations on how to set about implementing this?
>>
>> Pete Haworth
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
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Re: Displaying stack images in revBrowser?

[Jeffrey Massung]

What full path name?

To be clear: I know I can use file:// and ship the image along with the app as 
a resource. I'd prefer not to do that and just use the image that's already 
embedded in the stack file (if possible).

Jeff M.


On Feb 20, 2010, at 11:22 AM, stephen barncard wrote:

> try using full pathnames

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Re: How to enter a time of day

[Marty Knapp]

Hi Peter,

I don't know if it would help, but I have a stack at RevOnline called 
"Marty's Sliders" that would give you more flexibility and could perhaps 
be adapted for your use.


At the end of the mouseMove handler there's a line that computes a value 
and puts it into a field to in effect show the thumbPosition of the slider.


Marty Knapp
I have a need for users to enter a start and end time of an event and 
I'm  trying to come up with a graphical way for them to do that to 
ensure that the time is in the correct format.


What appeals to me the most is to use some sort of slider that would 
increment/decrement the time of day in 15 minute intervals.  I was 
hoping the rev slider control would be the answer to it but it only 
seems to deal with whole numbers on its scale, haven't been able to 
figure out how to deal with time-based numbers.


Any recommendations on how to set about implementing this?

Pete Haworth









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Re: peoples choice

[Rick Rice]

On Feb 20, 2010, at 5:08 AM, Bernard Devlin wrote:

BTW, I visited Bath for the first time last year.  It is a very
beautiful city -- got to be in the top 3 places in the UK.  You're a
lucky man to live there :-)

Bernard


John:
	I definitely agree. Bath is an absolutely beautiful city. We visited  
from Canada in the summer of 08.
Which brings me a way off topic for this list. We will be visiting  
France in October. Are there any Revers in France who would be  
willing to communicate, off list, to give a non-bilingual Canadian  
suggestions as to what to see, do, or avoid particularly in the Vimy- 
Ridge and Normandy areas?

Rick

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Re: Displaying stack images in revBrowser?

[stephen barncard]

try using full pathnames
-
Stephen Barncard
San Francisco
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On 20 February 2010 09:14, Jeffrey Massung  wrote:

> Is this possible? I'm never loading an external page as opposed to
> generating the HTML I want to display. I'd like to put an  src="My_Image"> in the HTML, but it doesn't work. Any clues?
>
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Re: How to enter a time of day

[stephen barncard]

use the slider to manipulate the seconds, and convert to time steps on the
fly. Don't use the scale of the slider, instead make your own scale
alongside. You might find a lookup table faster than conversion.
-
Stephen Barncard
San Francisco
http://houseofcubes.com/disco.irev


On 20 February 2010 09:12, Peter Haworth  wrote:

> I have a need for users to enter a start and end time of an event and I'm
>  trying to come up with a graphical way for them to do that to ensure that
> the time is in the correct format.
>
> What appeals to me the most is to use some sort of slider that would
> increment/decrement the time of day in 15 minute intervals.  I was hoping
> the rev slider control would be the answer to it but it only seems to deal
> with whole numbers on its scale, haven't been able to figure out how to deal
> with time-based numbers.
>
> Any recommendations on how to set about implementing this?
>
> Pete Haworth
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
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Displaying stack images in revBrowser?

[Jeffrey Massung]

Is this possible? I'm never loading an external page as opposed to generating 
the HTML I want to display. I'd like to put an  in the 
HTML, but it doesn't work. Any clues?

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How to enter a time of day

[Peter Haworth]

I have a need for users to enter a start and end time of an event and  
I'm  trying to come up with a graphical way for them to do that to  
ensure that the time is in the correct format.


What appeals to me the most is to use some sort of slider that would  
increment/decrement the time of day in 15 minute intervals.  I was  
hoping the rev slider control would be the answer to it but it only  
seems to deal with whole numbers on its scale, haven't been able to  
figure out how to deal with time-based numbers.


Any recommendations on how to set about implementing this?

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Re: Search / replace

[Jim Ault]

On Feb 20, 2010, at 8:29 AM, Jim Bufalini wrote:


Jim Ault wrote:


---
Just in case there is a line ending in a number and the first char of
the next line is '['
 and you did not want that specific conversion
 change is back to a '[' char

   replace (cr & "_") with (cr & "[") in newVersion


Since, in the end, you shouldn't end up with any brackets and, since  
the
bracket is at the beginning of a line and therefore not "preceded"  
by a
number, it was just mistakenly converted to an "_" instead of empty  
when the

line endings were brackets. So, wouldn't the line be?:


I made the note because I did not know if a '[' was a legal char that  
was outside the parsing rules, and Glen should be aware that my  
routine would need this tweak depending on his final goal.  I made the  
assumption that it might be that all instances of '[' should not be  
removed, thus Glen can make the choice.




replace (cr & "_") with (cr) in newVersion

I think we both shouldn't type more than a couple of lines of code  
freehand

into emails. ;-)


Actually, I *always* run my code, then make a copy for the email  
(without color formatting)
It is too easy to dash of lines of code that become confusing, then  
have to send more emails as corrections.
This list is archived and used by new users who don't always know how  
to spot typos.


Such a great list of willing, clever contributors who show their  
creative solutions for all.


Jim Ault
Las Vegas



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Strange menubar problem

[Peter Haworth]

I've set up the standard app/file/edit/help menus to be displayed in  
the OSX menu bar of my app.  The menubars property is correctly set to  
the name of the group containing the menu definitions and the  
editMenus property is set to false.  The menus appear correctly in the  
OSX menu bar.


However, every time I run my app, the main stack window grows in  
height by a few pixels added to the bottom of the window.  This is a  
cumulative effect so each time the app runs, the the main stack window  
gets progressively taller.  If I manually resize the main stack window  
then rerun my app, it appears with the height as it was before I  
manually resized it.


I can't find any scripts that would affect the size of the main stack  
window.  The main stack is displayed as a pallette.  I'm running rev  
4.0 on OSX 10.5.

Any clues?

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RE: Search / replace

[Jim Bufalini]

Jim Ault wrote:

> ---
> Just in case there is a line ending in a number and the first char of
> the next line is '['
>   and you did not want that specific conversion
>   change is back to a '[' char
> 
> replace (cr & "_") with (cr & "[") in newVersion

Since, in the end, you shouldn't end up with any brackets and, since the
bracket is at the beginning of a line and therefore not "preceded" by a
number, it was just mistakenly converted to an "_" instead of empty when the
line endings were brackets. So, wouldn't the line be?:

replace (cr & "_") with (cr) in newVersion

I think we both shouldn't type more than a couple of lines of code freehand
into emails. ;-) Last night I had the additional excuses of being at the end
of my day, I hadn't eaten, and I was tired. But, even fresh, I know I
shouldn't do it. ;-)

To slightly change the topic. Isn't Rev grand? A simple text parse (thanks
to Rev chuncks), and Kay and I immediately thought of *offset*, Jacque
thought of *replaceText* and regex, you thought of *linedel* and there are
probably several other totally different ways to do it, all equally
efficient. Ya gotta LOVE  RevTalk! :-)

Aloha from Hawaii,

Jim Bufalini







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Re: Search / replace

[Glen Bojsza]

Yes, I discovered that no sleep (5 hours / two days)  and trying to solve
this was a disaster.

It also was a good reminder how good and responsive this list is!

I just got some sleep and saw the responses this morning.

thanks to everyone,

Glen

On Sat, Feb 20, 2010 at 6:53 AM, Jim Bufalini  wrote:

> Jacque wrote:
>
> > This sounds like a perfect job for the replacetext command...
> > ...there's a way to do that but I'm not sure how.
> >
> > At any rate, once you get the right regex figured out, it's a one-liner
> > to do what you want.
>
> Glen, while Jacque works on a regex and after getting some sleep, ;-) here
> is the correct way to do what you want in a "readable" Rev loop (replace
> *FieldName* with the name of your actual field and put this code into a
> button):
>
> on mouseUp pMouseBtnNo
>put replaceChar("[", the text of fld "FieldName") into fld "FieldName"
> end mouseUp
>
> function replaceChar pCharToReplace, pString
>local tOffset
>
>repeat
>put offset(pCharToReplace,pString) into tOffset
> if tOffset = 0 then exit repeat
> if char (tOffset - 1) of pString is an integer then
>put "_" into char tOffset of pString
>else
>put empty into char tOffset of pString
>end if
>end repeat
>return pString
> end replaceChar
>
> Aloha from Hawaii,
>
> Jim Bufalini
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Re: Decode in tRev

[Jerry Daniels]

Mark,

I happen to agree with you, objectively speaking—even though I wrote  
the tool you are praising. We have some improvements to Decoder in the  
works that will make it even more useful.


Since we opened up the tRev API, I'm happy to also report that others  
are working on plugins to broaden tRev's capabilities.


1. There is a third party modal debugger under construction that will  
work with tRev (and Rev without tRev).
2. Also under development, a plugin for tRev that will let you write,  
check syntax, decode and deploy On-Rev CGI scripts.


Best,

Jerry Daniels

The latest Rev Editor Video:
http://reveditor.com/background-tabs-open-a-tab-without-going-ther

On Feb 19, 2010, at 9:27 PM, Mark Swindell wrote:

The more I get familiar with this feature of tRev the more I like  
it.  It's quite a brilliant implementation.  Set all the breakpoints  
you want, and then, after your script has run, go back and step  
forward and backwards through each breakpoint snapshot, looking into  
each set of conditions/states just as they occurred at every point  
along the journey.  Just an excellent tool.


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Re: Search / replace

[Jim Ault]

On Feb 19, 2010, at 6:57 PM, Glen Bojsza wrote:


I have a field which has hundreds of lines.

For all [ in the field I need to check to see if the character to it's
immediate left is a number.

If it is a number then the [ is to be converted into an _.

If it is not a number then the [ is to be removed (no substitution or
spaces).

I need to be able to cycle through the entire field which each line  
may

contain several [.

Any thoughts would be appreciated as I have tried using a  
combination of

find characters and foundchunk on the field without success.




assuming that the line cr char does not really matter
solution without RegEx

   put fld 1 into originalTextBlock
   set the linedel to "["
   repeat for each line LNN in originalTextBlock
  if word -1 of LNN is a number then
 put LNN & "_" after newVersion
  else
 put LNN  after newVersion
  end if
   end repeat
   set the linedel to cr
   -- see note below
   replace (cr & "_") with (cr & "[") in newVersion
   put newVersion into fld 2

---
Just in case there is a line ending in a number and the first char of  
the next line is '['

 and you did not want that specific conversion
 change is back to a '[' char

   replace (cr & "_") with (cr & "[") in newVersion

Brain dead + RegEx = disaster
I like and use RegEx, but know that you must be fresh to get it right  
in less than a fortnight :-)


Jim Ault
Las Vegas



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Re: [OT] Languages and cultures (was Re: survey)

[Kay C Lan]

Classic :-)

On Sat, Feb 20, 2010 at 8:03 PM, Martin Baxter
 wrote:
>
> In Wales, signs have to be bilingual. Quality control is not all it
> might be though...
>
> 
>
> --
> I am Not a Number, I am a free NaN
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RE: Search / replace

[Jim Bufalini]

Jacque wrote:

> This sounds like a perfect job for the replacetext command...
> ...there's a way to do that but I'm not sure how.
> 
> At any rate, once you get the right regex figured out, it's a one-liner
> to do what you want.

Glen, while Jacque works on a regex and after getting some sleep, ;-) here
is the correct way to do what you want in a "readable" Rev loop (replace
*FieldName* with the name of your actual field and put this code into a
button):

on mouseUp pMouseBtnNo
put replaceChar("[", the text of fld "FieldName") into fld "FieldName"
end mouseUp

function replaceChar pCharToReplace, pString
local tOffset

repeat
put offset(pCharToReplace,pString) into tOffset
if tOffset = 0 then exit repeat
if char (tOffset - 1) of pString is an integer then
put "_" into char tOffset of pString 
else
put empty into char tOffset of pString 
end if
end repeat
return pString
end replaceChar

Aloha from Hawaii,

Jim Bufalini

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Re: peoples choice

[Bernard Devlin]

Hi John,  welcome back to xTalk.  Despite what you might think (seeing
all the options such as web plugin, web server, database connections,
video grabber, etc) Rev is fundamentally still HyperCard.  If you can
dredge up your old knowledge, I'd guess 80% of it is still useful.  Of
course, that 80% that still applies with Rev is probably only 40% of
what can be done with Rev.

I don't know if you've looked through the RevOnline Browser that comes
installed with Rev.  It's 3rd from the right on the standard menu in
the IDE.

There are various sample stacks - the left-hand list is the categories
under which the stacks were submitted.  If you have a look under the
"media" category you will see there is a sample of a slideshow stack
there.  That might give you some ideas.

There was also a stack that was being used recently to demonstrate the
capabilities of the web plugin comminicating with the server.  I
believe the code for that stack was freely available, but I can't find
any references to it right now.

Have you found the User Guide that comes installed with the IDE?
Also, under the Resource Center (2nd from right on IDE menu) there is
a heading "Sample Projects" which contains a "Multiple Choice
Questionaire" stack.

BTW, I visited Bath for the first time last year.  It is a very
beautiful city -- got to be in the top 3 places in the UK.  You're a
lucky man to live there :-)

Bernard
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Re: peoples choice

[zryip theSlug]

2010/2/20 john law :
> Hello World
> In an attempt to reawaken my long dormant hypertalk skills I'm trying to 
> build a Runrev stack that allows visitors to an exhibition to vote for a 
> numbered photograph, store the choice and give a 'current votes' result.
> I expect there is a Peoples Choice stack somewhere in the archive and would 
> be grateful for pointers to it.

Hi John,

Have a look to the Multi Choice Questionaire. You can find this stack
in the "Sample projects" section of the Revolution Resource Center.
To access to the Resource Center when you are in Runrev, use the
Resource center button in the toolbar, or go to the submenu Resource
Center in the Help menu.

HTH,

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Re: [OT] Languages and cultures (was Re: survey)

[Richmond Mathewson]

On 20/02/2010 12:21, Bernard Devlin wrote:


Having married a man recently, I certainly feel less than outré than
in my youth.

   

You know, that is rather odd; I am married, and I certainly don't think
I ever conceived of myself as getting "married to a woman" -
rather; I got married to Snezha (that is my wife's name), Getting
"married to a woman" and "getting married to a man" should
stop, forthwith, as it degrades the person one loves to some sort
of biological entity. Getting married to the person one loves,
regardless of their gender, is a serious statement of love and
commitment - and I salute Bernard as well as all others who
have entered that sacred state . . .  :)

Nowadays, just getting married, in and of itself, is plain outré,
as nowadays, instead of always saying "I do like a bit of butter
on my bread" many people are saying;

"Now, you can butter your bread roll however you want."

http://www.princessoftheworld.com/2009/08/05/nobody-my-darling-could-call-me-a-fussy-man/
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Re: Search / replace

[Igor de Oliveira Couto]

On 20/02/2010, at 10:47 PM, Bernard Devlin wrote:

> Jacques, that was my memory too... but I went back to the dictionary
> to check, and it appears that the positionVars no longer need to be
> pre-declared.  I did a quick check and it is true.

I did pre-declare them, and pre-populated them - just in case - and still no 
luck... :(

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Re: [OT] Languages and cultures (was Re: survey)

[Martin Baxter]

Kay C Lan wrote:
> On a slightly different note, it's always good to see when someone
> tries to do the right thing and translate their signs into a foreign
> language to help tourists. Of course it would help a lot more if they
> actually used a native speaker, rather than the www:
> 
> http://www.kirainet.com/images/errortranslate.jpg
> 
> The correct translation would be Dining Room, or maybe Restaurant,
> depending on the actual establishment.

In Wales, signs have to be bilingual. Quality control is not all it
might be though...



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Re: Search / replace

[Bernard Devlin]

On Sat, Feb 20, 2010 at 11:24 AM, Jacques Hausser
 wrote:
>
> Le 20 févr. 2010 à 10:28, Igor de Oliveira Couto a écrit :
>
>>
>> I came across problems with matchChunk, too, but for a different reason. I 
>> wanted to use it in a loop, so I could delete the required parts of each 
>> match. Unfortunately, even though it was returning 'true' to my regex - it 
>> *was* finding matches - it refused to populate my 'positionvars', so it was 
>> useless.
>>
>
> if I remember well, to get the 'positionvars' populated, they must be 
> initialized before (put 0 in...) and the regex must be in parentheses.

Jacques, that was my memory too... but I went back to the dictionary
to check, and it appears that the positionVars no longer need to be
pre-declared.  I did a quick check and it is true.

Bernard
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Re: Search / replace

[Jacques Hausser]

Le 20 févr. 2010 à 10:28, Igor de Oliveira Couto a écrit :

> 
> I came across problems with matchChunk, too, but for a different reason. I 
> wanted to use it in a loop, so I could delete the required parts of each 
> match. Unfortunately, even though it was returning 'true' to my regex - it 
> *was* finding matches - it refused to populate my 'positionvars', so it was 
> useless. 
> 

if I remember well, to get the 'positionvars' populated, they must be 
initialized before (put 0 in...) and the regex must be in parentheses. 

Jacques
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peoples choice

[john law]

Hello World
In an attempt to reawaken my long dormant hypertalk skills I'm trying to build 
a Runrev stack that allows visitors to an exhibition to vote for a numbered 
photograph, store the choice and give a 'current votes' result.
I expect there is a Peoples Choice stack somewhere in the archive and would be 
grateful for pointers to it.

bw from Bath UK

JL


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Re: from htmlText to rawtext

[Jacques Hausser]

Hi Martin,

As I suggested yesterday:

put the text of fld "X" into fld "X"

HTH

Jacques

Le 20 févr. 2010 à 11:17, Martin Meili a écrit :

> How can I change the text in a field from htmltext to rawtext?
> Martin
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Re: [OT] Languages and cultures (was Re: survey)

[Bernard Devlin]

On Sat, Feb 20, 2010 at 9:14 AM, Sarah Reichelt
 wrote:
> I think it is changing again. My teenage sons refer to anything they
> don't like as being "gay".
> So a difficult assignment is "gay"; missing the bus is "gay"; a
> teacher who growls at them is "gay".
>
> It doesn't have to be a person, and while it has certainly not
> reverted to it's original meaning, it is losing it's homosexual
> connotations. But maybe that is just here in Australia.

Not just limited to Australia, I've heard that usage on South Park for
years.  I've no idea if South Park was creating or following a trend.

Clearly we've now lost the use of that charming little word.  Although
in all truth, I think homos had been feeling 'gay' was a rather 70s
word and was now as unfashionable as flared corduroy trousers.   (Hang
on, I think they came back in and went out again a few years ago...)

Anyway, homos have got a variety of other epithets (hostile and/or
clinical) by which they can described.  Now that the majority of
people describe themselves as 'straight' or 'heterosexual', we are in
a different world from the late 1960s when gay people (along with
black people) started to declare terms they wanted the majority to use
to describe these minorities.  I still have some old manifestos of the
Gay Liberation Front -- they are hilarious.  But I think the world I
grew up in was already quite different from the world where those were
written.

Back then straight people would describe themselves as normal i.e.
they didn't have a term for themselves.  There's even videos from the
1980s of people being interviewed on the streets of London, and when
asked "are you heterosexual" they would reply "no, I'm married".
Since then we've had metrosexuals, transexuals ('men giving birth'?),
gay coming to mean 'naff''.  I doubt there's anyone left in the UK who
doesn't know the difference between heterosexual/homosexual.

Personally I've always thought queer was suitable for gay people --
I've always found people who wanted to be normal to be rather creepy.
Being oneself I can understand, but suppressing individuality to go
with the crowd seems to reduce us to sheep.  Mind you, queer would
then become an inclusive term that meant 'those who resist being
normalized'.  I'm sure there's more than a few people on this list who
would describe themselves as 'queer'.

Having married a man recently, I certainly feel less than outré than
in my youth.

Bernard
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from htmlText to rawtext

[Martin Meili]

How can I change the text in a field from htmltext to rawtext?
Martin
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Re: [OT] Languages and cultures (was Re: survey)

[Jacques Hausser]

We should definitively start a new list dedicated to linguistic questions ! 
Sorry for falling in it too...

To come back to the french equivalent of fortnight (quinze jours, quinzaine). I 
realised it's quite logical, despite the opinion of Francis (or at least it was 
logical till the sixties when they were 6 working days in the week). If you 
have two weeks holidays, you are "free" for fifteen days, counting the sundays 
before and after the working weeks. The same for "huit jours, huitaine".
To Richmond: the etymology of french pigs, "cochon", is strictly unknown... 
some people suggest the farmers called them "cosh,cosh" when feeding them.
To Richmond and Jacque: in french, a gay is often called a "tante" (rather 
pejorative) - what to do with our poor aunts ? And "gai" firmly keeps it's 
"jolly" meaning, as we are using the english spelling for the other meaning.

Jacques


Le 20 févr. 2010 à 10:14, Sarah Reichelt a écrit :

 OK, I wasn't going to say anything, but seeings you are stumped, just
 think of the other benefits the Gay family enjoys... Divorces must be
 cheap, all you need do is move to a State where Gay marriages aren't
 recognized ;-)
>>> 
>>> I'll keep that in mind. :) So far we still like each other though.
>>> 
>> All I can say is that, despite being boringly monogamous and heterosexual
>> I am almost continually "Happy, Bright and Gay"
>> 
>> AND . . .
>> 
>> How a word that 500 years ago meant heterosexually loose managed to go
>> via "Jolly" to what it means now entirely escapes me - 'tis very queer . . .
>>  :)
> 
> I think it is changing again. My teenage sons refer to anything they
> don't like as being "gay".
> So a difficult assignment is "gay"; missing the bus is "gay"; a
> teacher who growls at them is "gay".
> 
> It doesn't have to be a person, and while it has certainly not
> reverted to it's original meaning, it is losing it's homosexual
> connotations. But maybe that is just here in Australia.
> 
> Cheers,
> Sarah
> 
> P.S. Sorry Jacque - I'm sure they wouldn't think that you were "gay" :-)
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Re: Search / replace

[Igor de Oliveira Couto]

This sounded like a fun puzzle to solve:

On 20/02/2010, at 7:17 PM, J. Landman Gay wrote:

> Glen Bojsza wrote:
>> Sorry to bother everyone but either I'm tired or brain dead.
>> I have a field which has hundreds of lines.
>> For all [ in the field I need to check to see if the character to it's
>> immediate left is a number.
>> If it is a number then the [ is to be converted into an _.
>> If it is not a number then the [ is to be removed (no substitution or
>> spaces).
>> I need to be able to cycle through the entire field which each line may
>> contain several [.
>> Any thoughts would be appreciated as I have tried using a combination of
>> find characters and foundchunk on the field without success.
> 
> This sounds like a perfect job for the replacetext command; regular 
> expressions are ideal for this kind of problem. You won't need any loops, 
> though you may need to run it twice, once to get all the brackets followed by 
> numbers, and a second time to remove the single brackets. If Alex or Ken or 
> someone else doesn't step in first, I'll see if I can get the regex worked up 
> for you tomorrow. Maybe someone even knows how to test for both situations 
> and replacements in the same expression. I know there's a way to do that but 
> I'm not sure how.
> 
> At any rate, once you get the right regex figured out, it's a one-liner to do 
> what you want.

I tried using replaceText(), but the problem is that it replaces the *entire* 
text which is 'recognised' by the regex. That would cause problems here. For 
instance, pinpointing all the "[" characters that are not preceded by a number 
is easy via regex - the regex is "[^0-9]\[". But the problem is that the 
'replaceText' command will identify and replace *everything* in my expression, 
not just part of it. So, if in this case I ask it to:

replaceText( field "sourceField", "[^0-9]\[", empty)

... it not only deletes the '[', but also the number preceding it.

I came across problems with matchChunk, too, but for a different reason. I 
wanted to use it in a loop, so I could delete the required parts of each match. 
Unfortunately, even though it was returning 'true' to my regex - it *was* 
finding matches - it refused to populate my 'positionvars', so it was useless. 

I ended up writing a simple repeat loop, which seems to have done the trick:

repeat with x = number of chars in field "sourceField" down to 1
  if char x of field "sourceField" is not "[" then next repeat
  if char (x-1) of field "sourceField" is a number then put "_" into char x 
of field "sourceField"
  else put empty into char x of field "sourceField"
 end repeat

I hope this helps!


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Re: [OT] Languages and cultures (was Re: survey)

[Sarah Reichelt]

>>> OK, I wasn't going to say anything, but seeings you are stumped, just
>>> think of the other benefits the Gay family enjoys... Divorces must be
>>> cheap, all you need do is move to a State where Gay marriages aren't
>>> recognized ;-)
>>
>> I'll keep that in mind. :) So far we still like each other though.
>>
> All I can say is that, despite being boringly monogamous and heterosexual
> I am almost continually "Happy, Bright and Gay"
>
> AND . . .
>
> How a word that 500 years ago meant heterosexually loose managed to go
> via "Jolly" to what it means now entirely escapes me - 'tis very queer . . .
>  :)

I think it is changing again. My teenage sons refer to anything they
don't like as being "gay".
So a difficult assignment is "gay"; missing the bus is "gay"; a
teacher who growls at them is "gay".

It doesn't have to be a person, and while it has certainly not
reverted to it's original meaning, it is losing it's homosexual
connotations. But maybe that is just here in Australia.

Cheers,
Sarah

P.S. Sorry Jacque - I'm sure they wouldn't think that you were "gay" :-)
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Re: [OT] Languages and cultures (was Re: survey)

[Richmond Mathewson]

On 20/02/2010 10:23, J. Landman Gay wrote:

Kay C Lan wrote:


OK, I wasn't going to say anything, but seeings you are stumped, just
think of the other benefits the Gay family enjoys... Divorces must be
cheap, all you need do is move to a State where Gay marriages aren't
recognized ;-)


I'll keep that in mind. :) So far we still like each other though.


All I can say is that, despite being boringly monogamous and heterosexual
I am almost continually "Happy, Bright and Gay"

AND . . .

How a word that 500 years ago meant heterosexually loose managed to go
via "Jolly" to what it means now entirely escapes me - 'tis very queer . 
. .  :)


---

Currently I am working on a paper for a Linguistics conference that will be
held in Bucharest in June. It largely revolves about a diachronic analysis
of meanings of the English word 'pig' (or, homonyms thereof) in comparison
with the Bulgarian word 'prase' (= 'pig'); so we can say that for the next
few months I will be pigging it.

--

Back to the word 'Gay' . . .

from a diachronic perspective it looks as though there has been one word 
whose

meaning has changed over time; in fact in certain dialect regions of England
the earlier sense of 'jolly' coexists beside its current 'homosexual' 
meaning.

Now the question/problem is whether users of 'gay' in those areas where the
2 senses are used actually perceive them as 2 senses of the same word 
(Polysemy)
or whether they perceive them as 2 separate words that sound the same 
(Homonymy)
- should they be unaware of the diachronic history of 'gay' they may be 
inclined to

see 'gay' & 'gay' as 2 distinct words.

Certainly it would be quite difficult to work out the semantic step from 
'jolly' to
'homosexual' unless, of course, there was an awareness of the even 
earlier sense

of 'heterosexual looseness'.

A cognitive radial category diagram for 'gay' would probably not work as 
there do
not seem to be speech communities that have or had concepts that somehow 
connected

jollity with being homosexual.

Neither polysemy nor homonyny exist as external 'things', being 
psychological

categories that came about as there was a perceived need to make language
as efficient as possible; polysemy being concerned with efficiency in 
regard to

conceptualisation, homonymy in regard to formality. This is probably more
easily understood if we fall back on the ideas of FUNCTION versus FORM.



Sorry, chaps, wearing one of my other hats for a bit there . . .  :)
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Re: [OT] Languages and cultures (was Re: survey)

[J. Landman Gay]

Kay C Lan wrote:


OK, I wasn't going to say anything, but seeings you are stumped, just
think of the other benefits the Gay family enjoys... Divorces must be
cheap, all you need do is move to a State where Gay marriages aren't
recognized ;-)


I'll keep that in mind. :) So far we still like each other though.

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Re: Search / replace

[J. Landman Gay]

Glen Bojsza wrote:

Sorry to bother everyone but either I'm tired or brain dead.

I have a field which has hundreds of lines.

For all [ in the field I need to check to see if the character to it's
immediate left is a number.

If it is a number then the [ is to be converted into an _.

If it is not a number then the [ is to be removed (no substitution or
spaces).

I need to be able to cycle through the entire field which each line may
contain several [.

Any thoughts would be appreciated as I have tried using a combination of
find characters and foundchunk on the field without success.


This sounds like a perfect job for the replacetext command; regular 
expressions are ideal for this kind of problem. You won't need any 
loops, though you may need to run it twice, once to get all the brackets 
followed by numbers, and a second time to remove the single brackets. If 
Alex or Ken or someone else doesn't step in first, I'll see if I can get 
the regex worked up for you tomorrow. Maybe someone even knows how to 
test for both situations and replacements in the same expression. I know 
there's a way to do that but I'm not sure how.


At any rate, once you get the right regex figured out, it's a one-liner 
to do what you want.


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HyperActive Software   | http://www.hyperactivesw.com
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