Re: [libreoffice-users] parallel text in side by side pages
Hi :) +1 That seems the most sensible. Regards from Tom :) On 15 October 2014 20:59, Kevin O'Brien wrote: > I think using Frames that are linked would do what Marc wants. > > Regards, > > > > On Wed, Oct 15, 2014 at 11:26 AM, Tom Davies wrote: > >> Hi :) >> Actually i kinda like the idea of using Calc as Joe Conner suggested. My >> idea was to use Draw or Writer. >> Regards from >> Tom :) >> >> On 15 October 2014 16:24, Tom Davies wrote: >> >> > Hi :) >> > I think text-boxes linked together might do the trick. Text boxes on >> > odd-numbered pages or to the right-hand side of the page would only >> link to >> > other odd-numbered pages or to the right-hand side on subsequent pages. >> > Similarly with even-numbered or left-hand boxes. >> > >> > I still haven't figured this out for myself and only have a very minor >> > quarterly case where it might be useful. >> > Regards from >> > Tom :) >> > >> > On 15 October 2014 16:23, Joe Conner wrote: >> > >> >> Have you considered using Calc for this, you can adjust the formatting >> to >> >> have text roll into a new line automatically. Then you can copy/paste >> into >> >> a word document if you find it necessary. >> >> >> >> Blessings, Joe Conner: Poulsbo, WA USA >> >> >> >> >> >> On 10/15/2014 07:29 AM, Marc Grober wrote: >> >> >> >>> Sorry Dan, but I really don't understand where you are going with >> this. >> >>> I have two streams of text. I would like to have one stream on one >> >>> side, and the other stream on the other side of facing pages. That >> way I >> >>> can break the flow of either without having to alternate text (which >> how >> >>> it is done now) >> >>> >> >>> On 10/15/14 4:58 AM, Dan Lewis wrote: >> >>> >> On 10/15/2014 08:26 AM, Ginterak wrote: >> >> > Dan, >> > If I place 1000 words in the left page, the words are still going to >> > overflow onto the right page - I am not sure what your idea is >> > actually accomplishing. >> > >> In my reply, I keyed on having the original on the left page >> and >> the translation on the right page. By having these appear side by >> side, one can see both at the same time and compare them if desired. >> What seems to be obvious to me is that the number of words >> required for a given thought in different languages can be different. >> So what would be a full page for one language may be less than or >> more >> than a page. So there is no guarantee that the the same thoughts will >> be contained in side by side pages. So, what purpose does having >> original and translation being side by side? It is quite possible >> that >> in a rather long article, some of the side by side pages may not have >> any thoughts in common. >> My thoughts came from how a Bible program handles this >> situation. >> For example, I have German and English translations of the Bible side >> by side. There the same verses are shown for them. Sometimes there >> are >> extra spaces on the German side, and sometimes there are extra on the >> English side. I also have a German-English New Testament from the >> 1800's. It also has the same print layout. >> A very important question is: What is the purpose of having the >> original and the translation side by side? This should determine the >> layout. >> >> Dan >> >> > On Oct 14, 2014, at 9:22 AM, Dan Lewis >> > wrote: >> > >> >> On 10/14/2014 12:15 PM, Marc Grober wrote: >> >>> Is there is technical solution to running parallel text in side by >> >>> side >> >>> pages (the best example would be a text with a translation where >> you >> >>> have the original on one page and the translation on the facing >> page. >> >>> This is done easily enough in columns, but there must be some way >> to >> >>> pass two threads of raw text to a section in which one thread is >> >>> passed >> >>> only to odd pages and the other only to even pages, or are we >> stuck >> >>> with alternating the text manually and inserting a gazillion page >> >>> breaks? >> >>> >> >> I think that page styles will do it. Open an untitled >> document >> >> in Writer. Use the F4 key to open the Styles and Formating Window. >> >> Click the "Page Styles" icon at the top of this window. Double >> click >> >> "First Page" from the lists of page styles to apply this style to >> >> the page. Then right click "First Page" and select Modify from the >> >> context menu. Change the "Next Style" property to "Left Page". >> Click >> >> OK. >> >> This should do it. Enter the original text on the left pages >> >> and the translations on the right pages. >> >> The reason this works is because of styles. They insure that >> >> each left page is followed by a right page which is followed by a >> >> left page... Writer is designed to
Re: [libreoffice-users] parallel text in side by side pages
I think using Frames that are linked would do what Marc wants. Regards, On Wed, Oct 15, 2014 at 11:26 AM, Tom Davies wrote: > Hi :) > Actually i kinda like the idea of using Calc as Joe Conner suggested. My > idea was to use Draw or Writer. > Regards from > Tom :) > > On 15 October 2014 16:24, Tom Davies wrote: > > > Hi :) > > I think text-boxes linked together might do the trick. Text boxes on > > odd-numbered pages or to the right-hand side of the page would only link > to > > other odd-numbered pages or to the right-hand side on subsequent pages. > > Similarly with even-numbered or left-hand boxes. > > > > I still haven't figured this out for myself and only have a very minor > > quarterly case where it might be useful. > > Regards from > > Tom :) > > > > On 15 October 2014 16:23, Joe Conner wrote: > > > >> Have you considered using Calc for this, you can adjust the formatting > to > >> have text roll into a new line automatically. Then you can copy/paste > into > >> a word document if you find it necessary. > >> > >> Blessings, Joe Conner: Poulsbo, WA USA > >> > >> > >> On 10/15/2014 07:29 AM, Marc Grober wrote: > >> > >>> Sorry Dan, but I really don't understand where you are going with > this. > >>> I have two streams of text. I would like to have one stream on one > >>> side, and the other stream on the other side of facing pages. That way > I > >>> can break the flow of either without having to alternate text (which > how > >>> it is done now) > >>> > >>> On 10/15/14 4:58 AM, Dan Lewis wrote: > >>> > On 10/15/2014 08:26 AM, Ginterak wrote: > > > Dan, > > If I place 1000 words in the left page, the words are still going to > > overflow onto the right page - I am not sure what your idea is > > actually accomplishing. > > > In my reply, I keyed on having the original on the left page and > the translation on the right page. By having these appear side by > side, one can see both at the same time and compare them if desired. > What seems to be obvious to me is that the number of words > required for a given thought in different languages can be different. > So what would be a full page for one language may be less than or more > than a page. So there is no guarantee that the the same thoughts will > be contained in side by side pages. So, what purpose does having > original and translation being side by side? It is quite possible that > in a rather long article, some of the side by side pages may not have > any thoughts in common. > My thoughts came from how a Bible program handles this > situation. > For example, I have German and English translations of the Bible side > by side. There the same verses are shown for them. Sometimes there are > extra spaces on the German side, and sometimes there are extra on the > English side. I also have a German-English New Testament from the > 1800's. It also has the same print layout. > A very important question is: What is the purpose of having the > original and the translation side by side? This should determine the > layout. > > Dan > > > On Oct 14, 2014, at 9:22 AM, Dan Lewis > > wrote: > > > >> On 10/14/2014 12:15 PM, Marc Grober wrote: > >>> Is there is technical solution to running parallel text in side by > >>> side > >>> pages (the best example would be a text with a translation where > you > >>> have the original on one page and the translation on the facing > page. > >>> This is done easily enough in columns, but there must be some way > to > >>> pass two threads of raw text to a section in which one thread is > >>> passed > >>> only to odd pages and the other only to even pages, or are we > stuck > >>> with alternating the text manually and inserting a gazillion page > >>> breaks? > >>> > >> I think that page styles will do it. Open an untitled document > >> in Writer. Use the F4 key to open the Styles and Formating Window. > >> Click the "Page Styles" icon at the top of this window. Double click > >> "First Page" from the lists of page styles to apply this style to > >> the page. Then right click "First Page" and select Modify from the > >> context menu. Change the "Next Style" property to "Left Page". Click > >> OK. > >> This should do it. Enter the original text on the left pages > >> and the translations on the right pages. > >> The reason this works is because of styles. They insure that > >> each left page is followed by a right page which is followed by a > >> left page... Writer is designed to begin with the first page on the > >> right, so you need the "First Page" to fulfill this need. From then > >> on the left and right pages will follow correctly. (No page breaks > >> are needed.) > >> In the bottom right corner
Re: [libreoffice-users] parallel text in side by side pages
Marc Grober wrote: Intriguing idea, but it would still require the use of anchored linked frames, and if I am going to use anchored linked frames, I don;t need Calc. I think the idea with Calc would be to start with the text for one language in cell A1, and the text for the other language in cell B1. Where you want to break the text and re-synchronise the translations, just move on to using cells A2 and B2, etc. Set the cells to automatically wrap (Format > Cells > Alignment > Wrap text automatically). You should be able to set the column widths so that you either get both columns side by side on the same page (this effect would be similar to using a two-column table with appropriate text flow settings, so may not be suitable given your comments on that option below). Alternatively, you could set each column to be the whole width of a page and then set the print ordering so that they print alternately (Format > Page > Sheet > Page order: Left to right, then down. If printing double sided you'd probably need to get a blank page inserted first, otherwise the two languages for each bit of text would end up on opposite sides of the same page rather than facing pages; not sure off the top of my head how to go about that... One option may be to use something like PDF Creator (a virtual printer which creates PDFs of the "printed" content) to combine a blank page followed by the document "printout" into a single PDF file, then print that file. I still am thinking that there should be some way to do this from a master document, so that subdocuments can interleave by way of how the subdocument is styled. I'm not sure that master documents can do that. They're more for combining several documents one after another (e.g. if you have each chapter of a book in a separate chapter). The other option seems to be to treat the two facing pages as one two column page, but that creates so much trouble when it comes to dealing with everything else it becomes a case of the tail wagging the dog. On 10/15/14 7:23 AM, Joe Conner wrote: Have you considered using Calc for this, you can adjust the formatting to have text roll into a new line automatically. Then you can copy/paste into a word document if you find it necessary. Blessings, Joe Conner: Poulsbo, WA USA -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: users+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-users] parallel text in side by side pages
Hi :) Actually i kinda like the idea of using Calc as Joe Conner suggested. My idea was to use Draw or Writer. Regards from Tom :) On 15 October 2014 16:24, Tom Davies wrote: > Hi :) > I think text-boxes linked together might do the trick. Text boxes on > odd-numbered pages or to the right-hand side of the page would only link to > other odd-numbered pages or to the right-hand side on subsequent pages. > Similarly with even-numbered or left-hand boxes. > > I still haven't figured this out for myself and only have a very minor > quarterly case where it might be useful. > Regards from > Tom :) > > On 15 October 2014 16:23, Joe Conner wrote: > >> Have you considered using Calc for this, you can adjust the formatting to >> have text roll into a new line automatically. Then you can copy/paste into >> a word document if you find it necessary. >> >> Blessings, Joe Conner: Poulsbo, WA USA >> >> >> On 10/15/2014 07:29 AM, Marc Grober wrote: >> >>> Sorry Dan, but I really don't understand where you are going with this. >>> I have two streams of text. I would like to have one stream on one >>> side, and the other stream on the other side of facing pages. That way I >>> can break the flow of either without having to alternate text (which how >>> it is done now) >>> >>> On 10/15/14 4:58 AM, Dan Lewis wrote: >>> On 10/15/2014 08:26 AM, Ginterak wrote: > Dan, > If I place 1000 words in the left page, the words are still going to > overflow onto the right page - I am not sure what your idea is > actually accomplishing. > In my reply, I keyed on having the original on the left page and the translation on the right page. By having these appear side by side, one can see both at the same time and compare them if desired. What seems to be obvious to me is that the number of words required for a given thought in different languages can be different. So what would be a full page for one language may be less than or more than a page. So there is no guarantee that the the same thoughts will be contained in side by side pages. So, what purpose does having original and translation being side by side? It is quite possible that in a rather long article, some of the side by side pages may not have any thoughts in common. My thoughts came from how a Bible program handles this situation. For example, I have German and English translations of the Bible side by side. There the same verses are shown for them. Sometimes there are extra spaces on the German side, and sometimes there are extra on the English side. I also have a German-English New Testament from the 1800's. It also has the same print layout. A very important question is: What is the purpose of having the original and the translation side by side? This should determine the layout. Dan > On Oct 14, 2014, at 9:22 AM, Dan Lewis > wrote: > >> On 10/14/2014 12:15 PM, Marc Grober wrote: >>> Is there is technical solution to running parallel text in side by >>> side >>> pages (the best example would be a text with a translation where you >>> have the original on one page and the translation on the facing page. >>> This is done easily enough in columns, but there must be some way to >>> pass two threads of raw text to a section in which one thread is >>> passed >>> only to odd pages and the other only to even pages, or are we stuck >>> with alternating the text manually and inserting a gazillion page >>> breaks? >>> >> I think that page styles will do it. Open an untitled document >> in Writer. Use the F4 key to open the Styles and Formating Window. >> Click the "Page Styles" icon at the top of this window. Double click >> "First Page" from the lists of page styles to apply this style to >> the page. Then right click "First Page" and select Modify from the >> context menu. Change the "Next Style" property to "Left Page". Click >> OK. >> This should do it. Enter the original text on the left pages >> and the translations on the right pages. >> The reason this works is because of styles. They insure that >> each left page is followed by a right page which is followed by a >> left page... Writer is designed to begin with the first page on the >> right, so you need the "First Page" to fulfill this need. From then >> on the left and right pages will follow correctly. (No page breaks >> are needed.) >> In the bottom right corner of the Writer window are three icons >> of pages. The one of the right is the one you should click if it is >> not highlighted. This places two pages in the window beginning with >> a right page first followed by a left right page combination. >> >> Dan >> >> -- >> To unsubscribe e-mail to: users+unsubscr...@global
Re: [libreoffice-users] parallel text in side by side pages
Hi :) I think text-boxes linked together might do the trick. Text boxes on odd-numbered pages or to the right-hand side of the page would only link to other odd-numbered pages or to the right-hand side on subsequent pages. Similarly with even-numbered or left-hand boxes. I still haven't figured this out for myself and only have a very minor quarterly case where it might be useful. Regards from Tom :) On 15 October 2014 16:23, Joe Conner wrote: > Have you considered using Calc for this, you can adjust the formatting to > have text roll into a new line automatically. Then you can copy/paste into > a word document if you find it necessary. > > Blessings, Joe Conner: Poulsbo, WA USA > > > On 10/15/2014 07:29 AM, Marc Grober wrote: > >> Sorry Dan, but I really don't understand where you are going with this. >> I have two streams of text. I would like to have one stream on one >> side, and the other stream on the other side of facing pages. That way I >> can break the flow of either without having to alternate text (which how >> it is done now) >> >> On 10/15/14 4:58 AM, Dan Lewis wrote: >> >>> On 10/15/2014 08:26 AM, Ginterak wrote: >>> Dan, If I place 1000 words in the left page, the words are still going to overflow onto the right page - I am not sure what your idea is actually accomplishing. >>> In my reply, I keyed on having the original on the left page and >>> the translation on the right page. By having these appear side by >>> side, one can see both at the same time and compare them if desired. >>> What seems to be obvious to me is that the number of words >>> required for a given thought in different languages can be different. >>> So what would be a full page for one language may be less than or more >>> than a page. So there is no guarantee that the the same thoughts will >>> be contained in side by side pages. So, what purpose does having >>> original and translation being side by side? It is quite possible that >>> in a rather long article, some of the side by side pages may not have >>> any thoughts in common. >>> My thoughts came from how a Bible program handles this situation. >>> For example, I have German and English translations of the Bible side >>> by side. There the same verses are shown for them. Sometimes there are >>> extra spaces on the German side, and sometimes there are extra on the >>> English side. I also have a German-English New Testament from the >>> 1800's. It also has the same print layout. >>> A very important question is: What is the purpose of having the >>> original and the translation side by side? This should determine the >>> layout. >>> >>> Dan >>> On Oct 14, 2014, at 9:22 AM, Dan Lewis wrote: > On 10/14/2014 12:15 PM, Marc Grober wrote: >> Is there is technical solution to running parallel text in side by >> side >> pages (the best example would be a text with a translation where you >> have the original on one page and the translation on the facing page. >> This is done easily enough in columns, but there must be some way to >> pass two threads of raw text to a section in which one thread is >> passed >> only to odd pages and the other only to even pages, or are we stuck >> with alternating the text manually and inserting a gazillion page >> breaks? >> > I think that page styles will do it. Open an untitled document > in Writer. Use the F4 key to open the Styles and Formating Window. > Click the "Page Styles" icon at the top of this window. Double click > "First Page" from the lists of page styles to apply this style to > the page. Then right click "First Page" and select Modify from the > context menu. Change the "Next Style" property to "Left Page". Click > OK. > This should do it. Enter the original text on the left pages > and the translations on the right pages. > The reason this works is because of styles. They insure that > each left page is followed by a right page which is followed by a > left page... Writer is designed to begin with the first page on the > right, so you need the "First Page" to fulfill this need. From then > on the left and right pages will follow correctly. (No page breaks > are needed.) > In the bottom right corner of the Writer window are three icons > of pages. The one of the right is the one you should click if it is > not highlighted. This places two pages in the window beginning with > a right page first followed by a left right page combination. > > Dan > > -- > To unsubscribe e-mail to: users+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org > Problems? > http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ > Posting guidelines + more: > http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette > List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ > All messages sent to th
Re: [libreoffice-users] parallel text in side by side pages
Intriguing idea, but it would still require the use of anchored linked frames, and if I am going to use anchored linked frames, I don;t need Calc. I still am thinking that there should be some way to do this from a master document, so that subdocuments can interleave by way of how the subdocument is styled. The other option seems to be to treat the two facing pages as one two column page, but that creates so much trouble when it comes to dealing with everything else it becomes a case of the tail wagging the dog. On 10/15/14 7:23 AM, Joe Conner wrote: > Have you considered using Calc for this, you can adjust the formatting > to have text roll into a new line automatically. Then you can > copy/paste into a word document if you find it necessary. > > Blessings, Joe Conner: Poulsbo, WA USA > -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: users+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-users] parallel text in side by side pages
Have you considered using Calc for this, you can adjust the formatting to have text roll into a new line automatically. Then you can copy/paste into a word document if you find it necessary. Blessings, Joe Conner: Poulsbo, WA USA On 10/15/2014 07:29 AM, Marc Grober wrote: Sorry Dan, but I really don't understand where you are going with this. I have two streams of text. I would like to have one stream on one side, and the other stream on the other side of facing pages. That way I can break the flow of either without having to alternate text (which how it is done now) On 10/15/14 4:58 AM, Dan Lewis wrote: On 10/15/2014 08:26 AM, Ginterak wrote: Dan, If I place 1000 words in the left page, the words are still going to overflow onto the right page - I am not sure what your idea is actually accomplishing. In my reply, I keyed on having the original on the left page and the translation on the right page. By having these appear side by side, one can see both at the same time and compare them if desired. What seems to be obvious to me is that the number of words required for a given thought in different languages can be different. So what would be a full page for one language may be less than or more than a page. So there is no guarantee that the the same thoughts will be contained in side by side pages. So, what purpose does having original and translation being side by side? It is quite possible that in a rather long article, some of the side by side pages may not have any thoughts in common. My thoughts came from how a Bible program handles this situation. For example, I have German and English translations of the Bible side by side. There the same verses are shown for them. Sometimes there are extra spaces on the German side, and sometimes there are extra on the English side. I also have a German-English New Testament from the 1800's. It also has the same print layout. A very important question is: What is the purpose of having the original and the translation side by side? This should determine the layout. Dan On Oct 14, 2014, at 9:22 AM, Dan Lewis wrote: On 10/14/2014 12:15 PM, Marc Grober wrote: Is there is technical solution to running parallel text in side by side pages (the best example would be a text with a translation where you have the original on one page and the translation on the facing page. This is done easily enough in columns, but there must be some way to pass two threads of raw text to a section in which one thread is passed only to odd pages and the other only to even pages, or are we stuck with alternating the text manually and inserting a gazillion page breaks? I think that page styles will do it. Open an untitled document in Writer. Use the F4 key to open the Styles and Formating Window. Click the "Page Styles" icon at the top of this window. Double click "First Page" from the lists of page styles to apply this style to the page. Then right click "First Page" and select Modify from the context menu. Change the "Next Style" property to "Left Page". Click OK. This should do it. Enter the original text on the left pages and the translations on the right pages. The reason this works is because of styles. They insure that each left page is followed by a right page which is followed by a left page... Writer is designed to begin with the first page on the right, so you need the "First Page" to fulfill this need. From then on the left and right pages will follow correctly. (No page breaks are needed.) In the bottom right corner of the Writer window are three icons of pages. The one of the right is the one you should click if it is not highlighted. This places two pages in the window beginning with a right page first followed by a left right page combination. Dan -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: users+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: users+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-users] parallel text in side by side pages
Sorry Dan, but I really don't understand where you are going with this. I have two streams of text. I would like to have one stream on one side, and the other stream on the other side of facing pages. That way I can break the flow of either without having to alternate text (which how it is done now) On 10/15/14 4:58 AM, Dan Lewis wrote: > On 10/15/2014 08:26 AM, Ginterak wrote: >> Dan, >> If I place 1000 words in the left page, the words are still going to >> overflow onto the right page - I am not sure what your idea is >> actually accomplishing. > In my reply, I keyed on having the original on the left page and > the translation on the right page. By having these appear side by > side, one can see both at the same time and compare them if desired. > What seems to be obvious to me is that the number of words > required for a given thought in different languages can be different. > So what would be a full page for one language may be less than or more > than a page. So there is no guarantee that the the same thoughts will > be contained in side by side pages. So, what purpose does having > original and translation being side by side? It is quite possible that > in a rather long article, some of the side by side pages may not have > any thoughts in common. > My thoughts came from how a Bible program handles this situation. > For example, I have German and English translations of the Bible side > by side. There the same verses are shown for them. Sometimes there are > extra spaces on the German side, and sometimes there are extra on the > English side. I also have a German-English New Testament from the > 1800's. It also has the same print layout. > A very important question is: What is the purpose of having the > original and the translation side by side? This should determine the > layout. > > Dan >> On Oct 14, 2014, at 9:22 AM, Dan Lewis wrote: On 10/14/2014 12:15 PM, Marc Grober wrote: Is there is technical solution to running parallel text in side by side pages (the best example would be a text with a translation where you have the original on one page and the translation on the facing page. This is done easily enough in columns, but there must be some way to pass two threads of raw text to a section in which one thread is passed only to odd pages and the other only to even pages, or are we stuck with alternating the text manually and inserting a gazillion page breaks? >>> I think that page styles will do it. Open an untitled document >>> in Writer. Use the F4 key to open the Styles and Formating Window. >>> Click the "Page Styles" icon at the top of this window. Double click >>> "First Page" from the lists of page styles to apply this style to >>> the page. Then right click "First Page" and select Modify from the >>> context menu. Change the "Next Style" property to "Left Page". Click >>> OK. >>> This should do it. Enter the original text on the left pages >>> and the translations on the right pages. >>> The reason this works is because of styles. They insure that >>> each left page is followed by a right page which is followed by a >>> left page... Writer is designed to begin with the first page on the >>> right, so you need the "First Page" to fulfill this need. From then >>> on the left and right pages will follow correctly. (No page breaks >>> are needed.) >>> In the bottom right corner of the Writer window are three icons >>> of pages. The one of the right is the one you should click if it is >>> not highlighted. This places two pages in the window beginning with >>> a right page first followed by a left right page combination. >>> >>> Dan >>> >>> -- >>> To unsubscribe e-mail to: users+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org >>> Problems? >>> http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ >>> Posting guidelines + more: >>> http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette >>> List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ >>> All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot >>> be deleted > > -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: users+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-users] parallel text in side by side pages
On 10/15/2014 08:26 AM, Ginterak wrote: Dan, If I place 1000 words in the left page, the words are still going to overflow onto the right page - I am not sure what your idea is actually accomplishing. In my reply, I keyed on having the original on the left page and the translation on the right page. By having these appear side by side, one can see both at the same time and compare them if desired. What seems to be obvious to me is that the number of words required for a given thought in different languages can be different. So what would be a full page for one language may be less than or more than a page. So there is no guarantee that the the same thoughts will be contained in side by side pages. So, what purpose does having original and translation being side by side? It is quite possible that in a rather long article, some of the side by side pages may not have any thoughts in common. My thoughts came from how a Bible program handles this situation. For example, I have German and English translations of the Bible side by side. There the same verses are shown for them. Sometimes there are extra spaces on the German side, and sometimes there are extra on the English side. I also have a German-English New Testament from the 1800's. It also has the same print layout. A very important question is: What is the purpose of having the original and the translation side by side? This should determine the layout. Dan On Oct 14, 2014, at 9:22 AM, Dan Lewis wrote: On 10/14/2014 12:15 PM, Marc Grober wrote: Is there is technical solution to running parallel text in side by side pages (the best example would be a text with a translation where you have the original on one page and the translation on the facing page. This is done easily enough in columns, but there must be some way to pass two threads of raw text to a section in which one thread is passed only to odd pages and the other only to even pages, or are we stuck with alternating the text manually and inserting a gazillion page breaks? I think that page styles will do it. Open an untitled document in Writer. Use the F4 key to open the Styles and Formating Window. Click the "Page Styles" icon at the top of this window. Double click "First Page" from the lists of page styles to apply this style to the page. Then right click "First Page" and select Modify from the context menu. Change the "Next Style" property to "Left Page". Click OK. This should do it. Enter the original text on the left pages and the translations on the right pages. The reason this works is because of styles. They insure that each left page is followed by a right page which is followed by a left page... Writer is designed to begin with the first page on the right, so you need the "First Page" to fulfill this need. From then on the left and right pages will follow correctly. (No page breaks are needed.) In the bottom right corner of the Writer window are three icons of pages. The one of the right is the one you should click if it is not highlighted. This places two pages in the window beginning with a right page first followed by a left right page combination. Dan -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: users+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: users+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-users] parallel text in side by side pages
Dan, If I place 1000 words in the left page, the words are still going to overflow onto the right page - I am not sure what your idea is actually accomplishing. > On Oct 14, 2014, at 9:22 AM, Dan Lewis wrote: > >> On 10/14/2014 12:15 PM, Marc Grober wrote: >> Is there is technical solution to running parallel text in side by side >> pages (the best example would be a text with a translation where you >> have the original on one page and the translation on the facing page. >> This is done easily enough in columns, but there must be some way to >> pass two threads of raw text to a section in which one thread is passed >> only to odd pages and the other only to even pages, or are we stuck >> with alternating the text manually and inserting a gazillion page breaks? > I think that page styles will do it. Open an untitled document in Writer. > Use the F4 key to open the Styles and Formating Window. Click the "Page > Styles" icon at the top of this window. Double click "First Page" from the > lists of page styles to apply this style to the page. Then right click "First > Page" and select Modify from the context menu. Change the "Next Style" > property to "Left Page". Click OK. > This should do it. Enter the original text on the left pages and the > translations on the right pages. > The reason this works is because of styles. They insure that each left > page is followed by a right page which is followed by a left page... Writer > is designed to begin with the first page on the right, so you need the "First > Page" to fulfill this need. From then on the left and right pages will follow > correctly. (No page breaks are needed.) > In the bottom right corner of the Writer window are three icons of pages. > The one of the right is the one you should click if it is not highlighted. > This places two pages in the window beginning with a right page first > followed by a left right page combination. > > Dan > > -- > To unsubscribe e-mail to: users+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org > Problems? > http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ > Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette > List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ > All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: users+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-users] parallel text in side by side pages
a quick top note ... yes, being able to use a Master Doc such that two files can be displayed at the same time on facing pages might well solve my problem, but frankly I can't figure out how to manage that > I don't think columns works for this, as text in the first column > flows to the next column on the same page, not to the same column on > another page. You'd use a two-column table to display parallel > material on single pages, I think. (I do.) They can -- you can run columns in parallel and then just pour the two different sets of text into two different columns and then just break the flow as necessary. > > One possible technique is to use linked frames. You could put a > page-sized frame into each page (anchored to the page) and then link > appropriate frames together. In fact, you could get away with doing > this for just one set of pages, perhaps putting frames into all the > right pages and linking them all together in a chain. Your left and > right page text would then flow as you need. You might find this as > tedious as having all those manual page breaks, but it has the > advantage that as you edit the text, the two streams will flow > naturally between their respective pages. That is an intriguing idea -- unfortunately the docs suggest that the linked frames have to all be manually created and anchored, so yes, this is almost as much trouble as alternating the text, though it does offer the benefits... I guess I might want to do the same thing on the facing page though it would not be necessary just to maintain style consistency between the treatments. I there a way to automate an anchorage frame in a new page by a page style? That way I could create a new subdoc with that style, add pages, link frame and pour in the text files into their respect frames > Here's another thought. How about creating two separate documents and > printing them both single-sided as separate print runs on the same > stack of paper? You could display both documents together on the > screen whilst you were editing them. Not happening > There may be neater solutions. I'm thinking vaguely of setting a page > size to represent a double-page spread, using a two-column table, and > somehow getting it to print across two pages - so one column appears > on each page. But I'm not sure how ... That is something I think could be done with a master document (but I am not sure how) which is really what I was looking for when I posted the question in the first place ;-) I was thinking that two sub docs could be place on side by side pages in the master doc, with one sub doc only appearing on odd pages, and the other appearing on even pages... BUT the documentation on Master Docs is not all that helpful, there is only one template on the LO site which is not all that explanatory, and what is present makes it look like a project of such complexity that one would not want to bother, lol Anyone have enough expertise with Master Documents to address this? -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: users+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-users] parallel text in side by side pages
On 10/14/2014 12:15 PM, Marc Grober wrote: Is there is technical solution to running parallel text in side by side pages (the best example would be a text with a translation where you have the original on one page and the translation on the facing page. This is done easily enough in columns, but there must be some way to pass two threads of raw text to a section in which one thread is passed only to odd pages and the other only to even pages, or are we stuck with alternating the text manually and inserting a gazillion page breaks? I think that page styles will do it. Open an untitled document in Writer. Use the F4 key to open the Styles and Formating Window. Click the "Page Styles" icon at the top of this window. Double click "First Page" from the lists of page styles to apply this style to the page. Then right click "First Page" and select Modify from the context menu. Change the "Next Style" property to "Left Page". Click OK. This should do it. Enter the original text on the left pages and the translations on the right pages. The reason this works is because of styles. They insure that each left page is followed by a right page which is followed by a left page... Writer is designed to begin with the first page on the right, so you need the "First Page" to fulfill this need. From then on the left and right pages will follow correctly. (No page breaks are needed.) In the bottom right corner of the Writer window are three icons of pages. The one of the right is the one you should click if it is not highlighted. This places two pages in the window beginning with a right page first followed by a left right page combination. Dan -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: users+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-users] parallel text in side by side pages
At 08:15 14/10/2014 -0800, Marc Grober wrote: Is there is technical solution to running parallel text in side by side pages (the best example would be a text with a translation where you have the original on one page and the translation on the facing page. This is done easily enough in columns, but there must be some way to pass two threads of raw text to a section in which one thread is passed only to odd pages and the other only to even pages, or are we stuck with alternating the text manually and inserting a gazillion page breaks? I don't think columns works for this, as text in the first column flows to the next column on the same page, not to the same column on another page. You'd use a two-column table to display parallel material on single pages, I think. (I do.) One possible technique is to use linked frames. You could put a page-sized frame into each page (anchored to the page) and then link appropriate frames together. In fact, you could get away with doing this for just one set of pages, perhaps putting frames into all the right pages and linking them all together in a chain. Your left and right page text would then flow as you need. You might find this as tedious as having all those manual page breaks, but it has the advantage that as you edit the text, the two streams will flow naturally between their respective pages. Here's another thought. How about creating two separate documents and printing them both single-sided as separate print runs on the same stack of paper? You could display both documents together on the screen whilst you were editing them. There may be neater solutions. I'm thinking vaguely of setting a page size to represent a double-page spread, using a two-column table, and somehow getting it to print across two pages - so one column appears on each page. But I'm not sure how ... I trust this helps. Brian Barker -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: users+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
