Re: [Vo]:Off Topic: Wisconsin Republican Senators create an unprecedented outrage, history being made
http://www.youtube.com/user/OrionworksVideos?feature=mhum#p/u In the dark of the night, without notice to the public, without any debate, without even printing copies of the bill, 18 Republicans used procedural trickery to strip hundreds of thousands of workers in Wisconsin of their collective bargaining rights. The picture of the democrats abandoning their place in the legislature and hiding out in another state makes them look irresponsible it seems to me. I am pleased the Republicans found a way to put the will of the people into effect despite the worst efforts of the democrats.
RE: [Vo]:Off Topic: Wisconsin Republican Senators create an unprecedented outrage, history being made
From Peatbog: http://www.youtube.com/user/OrionworksVideos?feature=mhum#p/u In the dark of the night, without notice to the public, without any debate, without even printing copies of the bill, 18 Republicans used procedural trickery to strip hundreds of thousands of workers in Wisconsin of their collective bargaining rights. The picture of the democrats abandoning their place in the legislature and hiding out in another state makes them look irresponsible it seems to me. I am pleased the Republicans found a way to put the will of the people into effect despite the worst efforts of the democrats. An astute observer sent me the following bing link: Rachel Maddow reports on the passage of a Michigan bill that allows the governor to dissolve democratic institutions in the event of a fiscal emergency. http://www.bing.com/videos/watch/video/gop-strategy-disaster-capitalism/6iz4 kh2 http://tinyurl.com/6dqnsqz Let's be clear about what's happening in our nation. This is not just Wisconsin's fight, though we are currently ground zero for the Republic agenda financed by Koch Industries and their followers. This is what many states and perhaps our nation may soon be fighting against - the destruction of democracy, especially democracy in the workplace. Too many people have gotten apathetic about protecting their democratic rights. And now they must either wake up fight back and restore their democratic rights - or we will soon be headed for Roller Ball. A corporate monopoly state. What the Wisconsin republican senators did yesterday was a travesty of democracy. They performed their trickery without proper notice and democratic debate. Keep in mind, weeks ago our public unions had agreed to ALL the fiscal financial constraints our governor had demanded. Then, the republican senators behind the public's back through procedural trickery separated out the collective bargaining point from the governor's budget repair bill (which was the only part of the budget repair bill which unions objected to) AND PASSED IT! NOW, THINK ABOUT THAT FOR A SECOND. The republican senators passed the portion of the budget repair bill that has nothing to do with balancing the budget. They trashed the right to bargain collectively, a democratic right that had been in place in Wisconsin for 50 years. This fight is no longer about balancing the budget. It never was, though it SHOULD BE. THE REPUBLICANS HAVE SHOWN US THEY WERE NEVER FIGHTING TO SAVE THE STATE'S BUDGET though they claim getting rid of collective bargaining will somehow make it easier to balance the state's coffers. This fight is about saving democracy - democracy in the workplace, and soon it may be a fight the entire nation is going to get embroiled in. One can either fight this travesty, an onslaught against the rights of democracy in the workplace and stop it here in Wisconsin, Ground Zero, or start fighting in across the entire nation as if a masticating cancerous growth was taking hold. I'd prefer to stop it here in Wisconsin. This republican action is going to the courts. Recall efforts to remove Governor Walker and especially the republican senators responsible for chopping up the budget repair bill and attempting to destroy the democratic right to bargain collective as a pretext to help balance the budget are well under way. There will be huge demonstrations today, Thursday. And Saturday. Regards, Steven Vincent Johnson www.OrionWorks.com www.zazzle.com/orionworks
Re: [Vo]:Off Topic: Wisconsin Republican Senators create an unprecedented outrage, history being made
Steven: Don't fret about it too much. There will be another election. That which is done legislatively can be undone. - Jed
Re: [Vo]:Off Topic: Wisconsin Republican Senators create an unprecedented out...
Yeah, its the communist way or the Hi-way for America. Don't worry tho, because the day is approaching when your kind pay the ultimate price for letting this country be turned into a Dictator Ruled enslaved hellhole. Good riddens. /HTML
[Vo]:New paper from Cardone
http://arxiv.org/abs/1103.1153 If you thought Rossi was the only wild-eyed Italian on the fringes of physics with an earth shattering discovery, think again. These guys even have mainstream credentials, no? Their earlier paper was roundly criticized for technique, but not disproved. This one will be even more divisive, so to speak. Is this related in any way to Rossi? Maybe it was premature to write-off an ultrasound input in the Rossi E-cat (especially if thermistors are being used). After all, I have been told that ultrasound in a gas-filled powder would not be audible, as it would be if there was a liquid fill. The now Italian Renaissance . il rinascimento seconda parte !?!
RE: [Vo]:Off Topic: Wisconsin Republican Senators create an unprecedented outrage, history being made
From Jed: Steven: Don't fret about it too much. There will be another election. That which is done legislatively can be undone. That is what we aim to do, Jed. The sooner the better. Recall efforts are now underway. BTW, I'm reminded of something Peatbog recently stated: I am pleased the Republicans found a way to put the will of the people into effect despite the worst efforts of the democrats. Yes, let's do talk about ...the will of the people. First, a little history. Wisconsin's apathetic voter turnout (a 48% turnout) in 2010 resulted in the election of a republican governor, Scott Walker. Walker won the election by a slim 52% of those who actually voted. Statistics show that 1,128,941 voters voted for Walker out of a total of 4,360,000 potential votes. This means less that 26% of total eligible Wisconsin voters, 26% of the will of the people actually voted to elect Scott Walker. The other 74% voted for Tom Barrett the Democratic choice, or didn't vote at all because they were undecided, or they were simply apathetic about the whole voting thing. Of the many posters seen down at the capital was the following: I voted for Scott Walker, and I'm sorry Let this be a lesson to everyone on the matter that when voter turnout becomes apathetic we open the door for the installation of dictators and puppet regimes. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Scott_Walker_%28politician%29 http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wisconsin_gubernatorial_election,_2010 Regards, Steven Vincent Johnson www.OrionWorks.com www.zazzle.com/orionworks
Re: [Vo]:Off Topic: Wisconsin Republican Senators create an unprecedented outrage, history being made
On Thu, Mar 10, 2011 at 11:38 AM, OrionWorks - Steven Vincent Johnson orionwo...@charter.net wrote: Let this be a lesson to everyone on the matter that when voter turnout becomes apathetic we open the door for the installation of dictators and puppet regimes. Amen, Steven. I have always voted. I don't always vote for someone. I sometimes vote against another. T
RE: [Vo]:extending the Puthoff atomic model
Hi Francis! Could you e-mail me a copy or link to Hal's paper that you are referring to. Date: Wed, 9 Mar 2011 14:02:54 -0500 From: francis.x.roa...@lmco.com To: vortex-l@eskimo.com Subject: [Vo]:extending the Puthoff atomic model In off line collaboration and discussions with Scott Smith we are considering nuclei as consisting of very small subatomic cavities with high suppression (opposition to flux). It is still the Puthoff model but inverted such that the nucleus is pushed much harder than the orbitals which act like tethered balls behind the nucleus. the electrons find their ground state as an equilibrium point between their electrical attraction and this constant vacuum pressure differential. Some of our arguments made me think long and hard regarding the “relative” size/length of our VP/flux wavelength. The missing point in our extension of the Puthoff model may be this “suppression” at the atomic level. The VP can not “pass through” the nuclei in the Present AND they can not deviate around the nuclei on the spatial plane so they push the nuclei into a relativistic well. The vacuum flux wavelengths in this well would appear shorter from our perspective or you could also say the canvas which the nuclei is drawn upon becomes stretched such that it allows these wavelengths to push through on their perpendicular trajectory. Puthoff hinted at this ”pressure” being different for every element in the periodic table and suppression geometry as a tool toward vacuum engineering. I do agree the physical properties of elements in the periodic chart already reflect this opposition (pressure) to streaming VP but there also accumulates SOME random unbalanced momentum that is imparted to matter on the spatial plane. For the most part this pressure accumulates to push the nucleus into the past on the time axis while stretching the fabric of space into a micro well but In the case of free floating gas atoms any imbalance of these accumulating pressure points can lead to the random motion in gas or the alignment of hydrogen bonds in water (another potential source of ZPE). I think these imbalances cancel out quickly in solids and even in the cases where these forces persist into our macro scale you still need a Heisenburg trap or Maxwells demon to exploit them. In a circus arcade contest you shoot at a target with an air powered bb machine gun – the target is on a line so the operator can pull it forward to examine and replace the target. If he didn’t send it back into position and left it nearby you could use your gun to shoot it with such force that it would “push” the target away to some equilibrium point (think ground state). If you happen to randomly target one side more than the other you could accumulate a left or right force on the target- in a solid where all the targets are connected these random forces would probably cancel out but in a gas where the targets are free floating the random force can persist. If the targets were drawn on stretchable fabric and both the projectile and target were unbreakable then you could stretch the fabric and allow the projectiles to “push through” the fabric if you concentrated enough fire power “pressure” to stretch the fabric – from our stretched fabric perspective the projectiles would appear to get smaller (up convert) and squeeze through the nucleus. RegardsFran
Re: [Vo]:Off Topic: Wisconsin Republican Senators create an unprecedented ou...
To the Liberally Unstable. You,,, yes you! the so-called people of this country, who continually construe and/or have lost the meaning of what True Freedom is... listen up!. Over the many years, you have allowed yourself into believing you should have your cake and eat it too, and are entitled to everyone elses. Over the years, you have allowed yourself to be dragged into the abyss of the far-left, who's only wish is to see this country pilaged, plundered, looted, despised, protested-against, and/or hopefully destroyed all in the name of freedom... suckers!!!). Soon, you will all bow-down to the wannabe dictator that now owns, uhh, er, I mean occupies the (ill-faded) White House. Yes, with all of your die-hard devotion and/or claims to those certain inalienable rights, you will soon learn the true meaning of freedom once again. For too long, you have enjoyed that which you were not entitled-to in the first place, and are now so dependent-on it, that you are spoiled. You now think you have the right to lie, cheat, steal, protest, fight, and/or do whatever it takes to keep that which does not belong to you,,, but sadly, this effort (of which you are totally committed-to) can only work against you. As you gather protest in ever-overwhelming numbers, you can only hope to impose the opposite result upon yourselves, thereby defeating your purpose altogether There's an 'ol saying that goes, what goes around, comes around,,, and/or, you don't know what you got, until it's gone and/or all good things must come to an end. Now please listen to me, my long-since mixed-up presumptuous assuming (un) american foes, u, er, I mean friends True Freedom can sometime enable (not necessarily entitle) prosperity to flourish, and can allow many people to get a taste of what it's like to be rich,,, however, it usually comes with a price! The way I see it is, you might want to consider accepting some new (un)certain terms, in order to maintain a modicum of your prersent so-called (entitled) livelyhood,,, because if you don't, then you may not know the difference. By at least considering stepping-down off the high-horse you rode-in on (by which you honestly believe no-one can touch), you just may avoid encountering the rather treacherous road ahead thus enabling you to survive, and possibly even thrive. If you honestly 'think' that you're entitled to 'having it made off of everyone elses blood, sweat, tears, hard work, and/or taxes,,, then you're not dealing with reality, and are sure to have a 'great'fall', of which you welll-know humpty dumpty did NOT get back together again. Now, I am by no-means making threats, but rather am simply trying to inform you of the more-than highly likely predictable outcome of your (in)actions. You know that for every Action, there is an opposite equal Reaction, and/or what goes around, come around and so, you have to deal with it in the only logical manner, you can. There presently are fiendishly diabolical clever efforts w/ ill-intentions, at work in this country, that are attempting to undermine and/or destroy our very way-of life, and the sooner you address this matter (with expedience, I might add) then the sooner you can begin to develkpe a sense of confidence in any plans you might have for the future. You unwittingly wholeheartedly have been supporting these full-time fanatic extremist worshippers of a stoned-age, of which are in the initial phase of perpetrating the downfall of this country. Surely, you have at least thought, sometime along the way that the money you so-deserve is just 'easy-money' and can as easily be lost,,, AND, if you knew what you were trading (and/or bribed) in-return for it, you most certainly would reevaluate the situation, and/or at least try, if not succeed at doing what is vital to our survvial. I suggest that, if you were planning-on retiring with a nice little nestegg, you keep a VERY sharp eye on it , because as long as you continue to suppport and/or fund those efforts that seek to destory us, AND/OR as long as you think you have a right to not only what is yours, AND especially mine,,, then you (we) can look forward to losing everything you (we) have. If OTH you can allow yourselves to come back down to earth and face reality, then you just might at least begin to realize that your efforts will only end-up NOT having worked to your advantage.Bye now. Your friend (always?)Loren /HTML
Re: [Vo]:Off Topic: Wisconsin Republican Senators create an unprecedented out...
Please, forward to the Liberally Unstable. You,,, yes you! the so-called people of this country, who continually construe and/or have lost the meaning of what True Freedom is... listen up!. Over the many years, you have allowed yourself into believing you should have your cake and eat it too, and are entitled to everyone elses. Over the years, you have allowed yourself to be dragged into the abyss of the far-left, who's only wish is to see this country pilaged, plundered, looted, despised, protested-against, and/or hopefully destroyed all in the name of freedom... suckers!!!). Soon, you will all bow-down to the wannabe dictator that now owns, uhh, er, I mean occupies the (ill-faded) White House. Yes, with all of your die-hard devotion and/or claims to those certain inalienable rights, you will soon learn the true meaning of freedom once again. For too long, you have enjoyed that which you were not entitled-to in the first place, and are now so dependent-on it, that you are spoiled. You now think you have the right to lie, cheat, steal, protest, fight, and/or do whatever it takes to keep that which does not belong to you,,, but sadly, this effort (of which you are totally committed-to) can only work against you. As you gather protest in ever-overwhelming numbers, you can only hope to impose the opposite result upon yourselves, thereby defeating your purpose altogether There's an 'ol saying that goes, what goes around, comes around,,, and/or, you don't know what you got, until it's gone and/or all good things must come to an end. Now please listen to me, my long-since mixed-up presumptuous assuming (un) american foes, u, er, I mean friends True Freedom can sometime enable (not necessarily entitle) prosperity to flourish, and can allow many people to get a taste of what it's like to be rich,,, however, it usually comes with a price! The way I see it is, you might want to consider accepting some new (un)certain terms, in order to maintain a modicum of your prersent so-called (entitled) livelyhood,,, because if you don't, then you may not know the difference. By at least considering stepping-down off the high-horse you rode-in on (by which you honestly believe no-one can touch), you just may avoid encountering the rather treacherous road ahead thus enabling you to survive, and possibly even thrive. If you honestly 'think' that you're entitled to 'having it made off of everyone elses blood, sweat, tears, hard work, and/or taxes,,, then you're not dealing with reality, and are sure to have a 'great'fall', of which you welll-know humpty dumpty did NOT get back together again. Now, I am by no-means making threats, but rather am simply trying to inform you of the more-than highly likely predictable outcome of your (in)actions. You know that for every Action, there is an opposite equal Reaction, and/or what goes around, come around and so, you have to deal with it in the only logical manner, you can. There presently are fiendishly diabolical clever efforts w/ ill-intentions, at work in this country, that are attempting to undermine and/or destroy our very way-of life, and the sooner you address this matter (with expedience, I might add) then the sooner you can begin to develkpe a sense of confidence in any plans you might have for the future. You unwittingly wholeheartedly have been supporting these full-time fanatic extremist worshippers of a stoned-age, of which are in the initial phase of perpetrating the downfall of this country. Surely, you have at least thought, sometime along the way that the money you so-deserve is just 'easy-money' and can as easily be lost,,, AND, if you knew what you were trading (and/or bribed) in-return for it, you most certainly would reevaluate the situation, and/or at least try, if not succeed at doing what is vital to our survvial. I suggest that, if you were planning-on retiring with a nice little nestegg, you keep a VERY sharp eye on it , because as long as you continue to suppport and/or fund those efforts that seek to destory us, AND/OR as long as you think you have a right to not only what is yours, AND especially mine,,, then you (we) can look forward to losing everything you (we) have. If OTH you can allow yourselves to come back down to earth and face reality, then you just might at least begin to realize that your efforts will only end-up NOT having worked to your advantage.Bye now. Your friend (always?)Loren /HTML
Re: [Vo]:New paper from Cardone
Here is a slide showing of some their earlier work showing how crushing granite produces neutrons. Some nice graphs which plot neutron counts against mechanical loading. http://files.splinder.com/4ae1443c64aa2e0faf9cdca00d8e7148.pdf The crushing load is coincident with a momentary spike in neutrons. harry From: Jones Beene jone...@pacbell.net To: vortex-l@eskimo.com Sent: Thu, March 10, 2011 11:11:00 AM Subject: [Vo]:New paper from Cardone http://arxiv.org/abs/1103.1153 If you thought Rossi was the only wild-eyed Italian on the fringes of physicswith an earth shattering discovery, think again. These guys even have mainstream credentials, no? Their earlier paper was roundly criticizedfor technique,but not disproved. This one will be even moredivisive, so to speak. Is this related in any way to Rossi?Maybe it was premature to write-off an ultrasound input intheRossiE-cat(especially ifthermistorsare being used). After all, I have been told that ultrasound in a gas-filled powder would not be audible,as it would be if there was a liquid fill. ThenowItalian Renaissance… il rinascimentoseconda parte!?!
Re: [Vo]:Off Topic: Wisconsin Republican Senators create an unprecedented out...
All we need is for him to tout a new Free Energy invention donated to him by The Dwellers of The Fifth Density and channeled to him by The Cosmic Christ-Energy. On Thu, Mar 10, 2011 at 8:39 PM, lorenhe...@aol.com wrote: Please, forward to the Liberally Unstable. You,,, yes you! the Your friend (always?)Loren /HTML
Re: [Vo]:Off Topic: Wisconsin Republican Senators create an unprecedented out...
Please, forward to the Liberally Unstable. You,,, yes you! the so-called people of this country, who continually construe CALLING BILL BEATTY!! This OT stuff is getting out of hand.
Re: [Vo]:Off Topic: Wisconsin Republican Senators create an unprecedented out...
Loren, I bet you're a huge fan of tea. Methinks you have stumbled into the wrong group here. Perhaps the blinders are not allowing you to see the very well-marked door. Debbie On Thu, Mar 10, 2011 at 1:39 PM, lorenhe...@aol.com wrote: Please, forward to the Liberally Unstable. snip Bye now. Your friend (always?)Loren /HTML
Re: [Vo]:New paper from Cardone
Harry Veeder wrote: Here is a slide showing of some their earlier work showing how crushing granite produces neutrons. Steve Jones (BYU) did experiments looking for neutrons while Portland cement made with heavy water set (dried). I think I recall they or someone else tried crushing it, too. - Jed
Re: [Vo]:Off Topic: Wisconsin Republican Senators create an unprecedented out...
I totally agree. On Mar 10, 2011 2:10 PM, peatbog peat...@teksavvy.com wrote: Please, forward to the Liberally Unstable. You,,, yes you! the so-called people of this country, who continually construe CALLING BILL BEATTY!! This OT stuff is getting out of hand.
Re: [Vo]:New paper from Cardone
By the way, Carpinteri (Cardone's colleague) was at ICCF15 and 16. Here is the abstract from ICCF-16: Neutron Emission Measurements During Loading Tests on Solid Specimens and Confirmations by EDS Analysis A.Carpinteri1, G. Lacidogna1, A. Manuello1 and O. Borla,2 1Politecnico di Torino, Department of Structural Engineering Geotechnics, Corso Duca degli, Abruzzi 24, 10129 Torino, Italy 2 N.F.N. National Inst. of Nuclear Physics, Via P. Giuria 1, 10125 Torino, Italy Neutron emission measurements, by means of He3 devices and neutron bubble detectors, were performed during three different kinds of loading tests on natural and artificial materials: (i) under displacement control, (ii) under cyclic loading, and (iii) by ultrasonic vibration. The materials used in compression tests under displacement control were marble, granite and concrete, selected in that they present a different brittleness index [1,2]. For natural materials, such as granite and basalt were also conducted cyclic and vibrational loading tests in the frequency range comprised between 2 and 2x104 Hz. Since the analyzed material contains iron, our conjecture is that piezonuclear fission reactions involving fission of iron into aluminum, or into magnesium and silicon, should have occurred during compression damage and failure. This hypothesis is confirmed by Energy Dispersive X-ray Spectroscopy (EDS) analysis performed on external and fracture surfaces belonging to specimens used in the tests.[3] These laboratory evidences appear to be strictly connected with recent neutron emission detections in correspondence to seismic activity and appreciable earthquakes at the scale of the Earth’s crust [4,5] and led to consider that the present natural abundances of aluminum (~8%), silicon (28%) and scarcity of iron (~4%) in the continental crust should be possibly due to piezonuclear fission reactions[6]. Kidwell told he suspects these results might be caused from vibration when the block of marble fractured. Neutron detectors are sensitive and tend to be triggered by various artifacts such as vibrations. He recommended they try hitting the floor with a sledge hammer while the detector is on. - Jed
RE: [Vo]:New paper from Cardone
If I recall Frank Grimer’s calculations of the Casimir force, it can amount to much higher loading than what is applied to the granite in this paper. The neutron level is over 6 time background on failure according to Cardone. The results are hard to argue with. The problem I have with this experiment is that did not mention the fact that granite and marble can contain substantial amounts of thorium and uranium and the ‘daughters’ (or decay chain) going back millions of years. Are the neutrons seen coming from those elements when stressed, or from silicon/calcium/etc when stressed, or only from the ‘daughters’? There are implications. Rossi is seeing no neutrons. We can be pretty sure of that as a sensitive meter was used. Rossi has probably recognized the need for a dielectric support for what he calls “nanometric nickel” which he thinks is the active material. The support used in almost 100% of recent LENR experiments, thanks to Arata, is zirconia. That does not meant that Rossi used it, but there is an indication. We do not know for sure that there are Casimir cavities involved in the support material however. That is where my views depart from almost everyone else. I think that there are “unplanned” cavities, for several reasons. Zirconia undergoes catastrophic failure at phase change unless ‘doped’ usually with yttria. Neutrons would apparently be expected in the Rossi device - if there were both Casimir cavities and thorium, and Cardone’s results applied. Therefore, one important implication of all of these clues, taken together, is: does this lack of neutrons in Bologna eliminate thorium as the best candidate for the ‘support’ dielectric ? If it were not for that problem, it would be the best candidate. Yes, we are still grasping at straws, but in the end, there will be new physics – so why not unburden oneself of the excess baggage? Jones From: Harry Veeder Subject: Re: [Vo]:New paper from Cardone Here is a slide showing of some their earlier work showing how crushing granite produces neutrons. Some nice graphs which plot neutron counts against mechanical loading. http://files.splinder.com/4ae1443c64aa2e0faf9cdca00d8e7148.pdf The crushing load is coincident with a momentary spike in neutrons. harry From: Jones Beene jone...@pacbell.net To: vortex-l@eskimo.com Sent: Thu, March 10, 2011 11:11:00 AM Subject: [Vo]:New paper from Cardone http://arxiv.org/abs/1103.1153 http://arxiv.org/abs/1103.1153 If you thought Rossi was the only wild-eyed Italian on the fringes of physics with an earth shattering discovery, think again. These guys even have mainstream credentials, no? Their earlier paper was roundly criticized for technique, but not disproved. This one will be even more divisive, so to speak. Is this related in any way to Rossi? Maybe it was premature to write-off an ultrasound input in the Rossi E-cat (especially if thermistors are being used). After all, I have been told that ultrasound in a gas-filled powder would not be audible, as it would be if there was a liquid fill. The now Italian Renaissance … il rinascimento seconda parte !?!
Re: [Vo]:Anticipating skeptical objections to a 1 MW demonstration
In reply to Jones Beene's message of Fri, 4 Mar 2011 06:55:09 -0800: Hi, [snip] In trying to look at it from Rossi's POV, the cascade was the only rationale which made logical sense to me - as to why he would go 100+ modular units. [snip] Multiple reports exist of varying power output from the device. Such variability wouldn't be acceptable in a commercial device. By ganging a hundred units together, the variability tends to average out resulting in a much smoother output. Regards, Robin van Spaandonk http://rvanspaa.freehostia.com/Project.html
Re: [Vo]:Anticipating skeptical objections to a 1 MW demonstration
In reply to Dennis's message of Fri, 4 Mar 2011 08:57:50 -0700: Hi, [snip] I had the feeling that the heating was by directly passing the current through the metal bed - that would make for very fast transfer. I doubt it because there are 5 controllers for the device. If the current were passed directly through the metal bed, they would short one another out. Regards, Robin van Spaandonk http://rvanspaa.freehostia.com/Project.html
Re: [Vo]:Off Topic: Wisconsin Republican Senators create an unprecedented out...
My suggestion to the unions is to shift their focus and support broader efforts like this: http://robinhoodtax.org/latest/good-news-meps-back-robin-hood-tax#comment-673 Harry From: albedo5 albe...@gmail.com To: vortex-l@eskimo.com Sent: Thu, March 10, 2011 2:09:12 PM Subject: Re: [Vo]:Off Topic: Wisconsin Republican Senators create an unprecedented out... Loren, I bet you're a huge fan of tea. Methinks you have stumbled into the wrong group here. Perhaps the blinders are not allowing you to see the very well-marked door. Debbie On Thu, Mar 10, 2011 at 1:39 PM, lorenhe...@aol.com wrote: Please, forward to the Liberally Unstable. snip Bye now. Your friend (always?) Loren /HTML
Re: [Vo]:New paper from Cardone
Kidwell told he suspects these results might be caused from vibration when the block of marble fractured. Neutron detectors are sensitive and tend to be triggered by various artifacts such as vibrations. He recommended they try hitting the floor with a sledge hammer while the detector is on. - Jed Essentially they did do that. When marble was crushed no spike in neutrons was seen. If it was just due to vibrations in the detector then crushing marble would have produced a spike in neutrons too. Harry
RE: [Vo]:Anticipating skeptical objections to a 1 MW demonstration
-Original Message- From: mix...@bigpond.com In reply to Jones Beene's message In trying to look at it from Rossi's POV, the cascade was the only rationale which made logical sense to me - as to why he would go 100+ modular units. Multiple reports exist of varying power output from the device. Such variability wouldn't be acceptable in a commercial device. By ganging a hundred units together, the variability tends to average out resulting in a much smoother output. Hi Robin, Well yes, that's a decent reason ... but if it were only for the purpose of 'smoothing,' isn't having 100 a bit of overkill? 3 would have been fine for that purpose. There must be more to it. Jones Of course, has anyone mentioned that he could have already tried to double the size of the unit, and discovered a reverse economy of scale? Or else he found a high failure rate (when he goes to higher power levels). Consequently, the 10-15 kW unit may be optimal. Why is it that we are so accustomed to positive economy of scale, that we often fail to notice that 'scale' can operate in a reverse way, as well. This is probably giving Rossi too much credit. I doubt if had the funds to try very many variables.
Re: [Vo]:New paper from Cardone
Harry Veeder wrote: Essentially they did do that. When marble was crushed no spike in neutrons was seen. If it was just due to vibrations in the detector then crushing marble would have produced a spike in neutrons too. Marble was the control? So I should have said when the block of granite fractured. I do not recall if they discussed the controls during the ICCF-16 presentation. If they did, then Kidwell was off the mark. He sometimes jumps to conclusions, especially negative conclusions. - Jed
[Vo]:This is how Rossi is financing his E-cat
This is how Rossi is financing his E-cat http://www.nyteknik.se/nyheter/energi_miljo/energi/article3123849.ece link from New Energy Times portal on Rossi's ECat. Harry
Re: [Vo]:This is how Rossi is financing his E-cat
On Thu, Mar 10, 2011 at 6:10 PM, Harry Veeder hlvee...@yahoo.com wrote: This is how Rossi is financing his E-cat http://www.nyteknik.se/nyheter/energi_miljo/energi/article3123849.ece link from New Energy Times portal on Rossi's ECat. He also claims that more than a thousand reactors have been built and destroyed during the development. Edisonian and serendipity do appear to be correct descriptive terms, n'est-ce pas? T
Re: [Vo]:This is how Rossi is financing his E-cat
Harry Veeder wrote: This is how Rossi is financing his E-cat http://www.nyteknik.se/nyheter/energi_miljo/energi/article3123849.ece link from New Energy Times portal on Rossi's ECat. Wow. He is paying his last 500,000 Euros to U. Bologna. He could get all the venture capital in the world for a small fraction of his invention! Krivit is right on the ball. I think I will add this Portal address to LENR-CANR.org. (http://newenergytimes.com/v2/sr/RossiECat/RossiECatPortal.shtml) - Jed
RE: EXTERNAL: [Vo]:New paper from Cardone
Both snips below from the Cardone paper seem to support a relativistic
interpretation. The odd property of radiation measured and these bubbles of
gas that take 40- 50 minutes to scale down into these tiny Zones of deformed
space time would as a result appear fractional to us in normal space-time.
Fran
[snip] Among all of them it is worth noting that some
teams detected a strange radiation showing unknown features and behaviour [8,
9] which,
from our point of view, could be put beside the strange lack of gamma rays
which, at
least from hydrogen neutron capture, should be emitted.[/snip]
[snip] The conjecture is that, the collapse of the bubble concentrates energy in
a smaller and smaller region of space (which is actually spacetime), making the
energy
density higher and higher. In this region of spacetime nuclear species are
forced. The
overcoming of the threshold is achieved by the complementary contributions of
the exter-
nal energy (ultrasounds) and internal energy, i.e. that of the nuclides taking
part in the
collapse. The first preliminary clue is that the higher the atomic mass the
less external
energy and the shorter time interval it takes to deform locally the
spacetime.{/snip]
From: Jones Beene [mailto:jone...@pacbell.net]
Sent: Thursday, March 10, 2011 11:11 AM
To: vortex-l@eskimo.com
Subject: EXTERNAL: [Vo]:New paper from Cardone
http://arxiv.org/abs/1103.1153
If you thought Rossi was the only wild-eyed Italian on the fringes of physics
with an earth shattering discovery, think again.
These guys even have mainstream credentials, no?
Their earlier paper was roundly criticized for technique, but not disproved.
This one will be even more divisive, so to speak.
Is this related in any way to Rossi? Maybe it was premature to write-off an
ultrasound input in the Rossi E-cat (especially if thermistors are being used).
After all, I have been told that ultrasound in a gas-filled powder would not be
audible, as it would be if there was a liquid fill.
The now Italian Renaissance ... il rinascimento seconda parte !?!
Re: [Vo]:This is how Rossi is financing his E-cat
He needs 100 of them and he has built and destroyed more than a thousand. Does this mean that his successful reproducibility is less than 10% D2 -- From: Terry Blanton hohlr...@gmail.com Subject: Re: [Vo]:This is how Rossi is financing his E-cat He also claims that more than a thousand reactors have been built and destroyed during the development. Edisonian and serendipity do appear to be correct descriptive terms, n'est-ce pas? T
Re: [Vo]:This is how Rossi is financing his E-cat
On Thu, Mar 10, 2011 at 7:14 PM, Dennis den...@netmdc.com wrote: He needs 100 of them and he has built and destroyed more than a thousand. Does this mean that his successful reproducibility is less than 10% Dennis, I think that it took that many iterations to find the correct combination to have a controlled reaction. My opinion. I could be wrong. T
RE: [Vo]:This is how Rossi is financing his E-cat
Leading one to wonder if he has caught the Mark LeClair syndrome ... -Original Message- From: Dennis He needs 100 of them and he has built and destroyed more than a thousand. Does this mean that his successful reproducibility is less than 10% D2 -- From: Terry Blanton He also claims that more than a thousand reactors have been Built and destroyed during the development. Edisonian and serendipity do appear to be correct descriptive terms, n'est-ce pas?
Re: [Vo]:This is how Rossi is financing his E-cat
At 03:24 PM 3/10/2011, Jed Rothwell wrote: Wow. He is paying his last 500,000 Euros to U. Bologna. He could get all the venture capital in the world for a small fraction of his invention! That's curious : in there he says I am assuming all the risks. No one is risking any money except me, said the Italian engineer Andrea Rossi, the inventor and developer of the energy catalyzer, possibly based on cold fusion. But in the latest Krivit link L'incredibile Hulk contro l'ingegner Rossi http://22passi.blogspot.com/2011/03/lincredibile-hulk-contro-lingegner.html Google/translate: http://translate.google.com/translate?js=nprev=_thl=enie=UTF-8layout=2eotf=1sl=autotl=enu=http%3A%2F%2F22passi.blogspot.com%2F2011%2F03%2Flincredibile-hulk-contro-lingegner.html he says : Rossi may have wanted to patent - just an example - only one part of the machine and the method while maintaining a part secreted by private business arrangements. D'altronde lui stesso ha detto che è vincolato al segreto industriale da accordi con i suoi finanziatori. Besides, he said that he is bound to secrecy agreements with its lenders. Lenders might just mean Financial Institutions or Backers
RE: EXTERNAL: [Vo]:New paper from Cardone
I also liked his final sentence - call it tidal fission? [snip]Since these transmutations are thought to be brought about by spacetime deformation, it is possible that a heavy nuclide be ripped apart into lighter nuclides by tidal forces i.e., in more picturesque way, as an astronaut would be as he were falling into a blackhole. [/snip] Fran From: Jones Beene [mailto:jone...@pacbell.net] Sent: Thursday, March 10, 2011 11:11 AM To: vortex-l@eskimo.com Subject: EXTERNAL: [Vo]:New paper from Cardone http://arxiv.org/abs/1103.1153 If you thought Rossi was the only wild-eyed Italian on the fringes of physics with an earth shattering discovery, think again. These guys even have mainstream credentials, no? Their earlier paper was roundly criticized for technique, but not disproved. This one will be even more divisive, so to speak. Is this related in any way to Rossi? Maybe it was premature to write-off an ultrasound input in the Rossi E-cat (especially if thermistors are being used). After all, I have been told that ultrasound in a gas-filled powder would not be audible, as it would be if there was a liquid fill. The now Italian Renaissance ... il rinascimento seconda parte !?!
[Vo]:nucleosynthesis is a more general term then fusion
I think the second footnote in the Cardone paper http://arxiv.org/abs/1103.1153 ,which Jones cited, provides a solution to the kerfuffle around the proper use of the term fusion: 2The words fission and fusion have been used here. However, it is becoming evident that the outcomes of these piezonuclear reactions experiments, along with those involving low energy nuclear reactions, have nothing to do with the established definitions of fission and fusion. In this sense, these two words have to be interpreted as disgragation [disaggregation?] of nuclei and union of nuclei respectively. In the following other words will be used like nucleolysis and nucleosynthesis Harry
Re: [Vo]:Latest Rossi news at PESN
In reply to Nick Palmer's message of Wed, 9 Mar 2011 11:27:09 -: Hi Nick, [snip] Robin wrote: ..Well maybe not quite. The problem with this is that the general public only understands one kind of nuclear. I'm afraid that educating them in the subtleties is going to take a while. Do we know what, if any, radiation is created by this process? Specifically, are any long lived radioactive isotopes made and if so to what degree are they beta/alpha emitters or give off gamma rays? No long lived radioisotopes AFAIK with the possible exception of Ni59. Possibly some very short lived ones while the process is actually running, but these are contained and you can wait for them to decay before opening it up. Rossi has said that there aren't any (which is also quite possible). In truth however more testing has to be done to determine whether or not any are produced over longer runs. [snip] Regards, Robin van Spaandonk http://rvanspaa.freehostia.com/Project.html
