Re: [Wikimedia-l] De-recognition of Wikimedia user groups in Brazil

[Vi to]

Given Teles' insight I must admit *I was wrong* in using the adjective
"fair", not so much right with "reasonable", while I expected something
like this. My apologies.

I may have an incomplete view of the situation but parties didn't deserve
the same treatment.

Vito

2018-04-08 21:32 GMT+02:00 Vi to :

> Sad outcome though fair, reasonable and expected.
> I hope some new group will arise from these ruins.
>
> Vito
>
> 2018-04-08 20:19 GMT+02:00 Kirill Lokshin :
>
>> Hello everyone,
>>
>> Recognition as a Wikimedia movement affiliate — a chapter, thematic
>> organization, or user group — is a privilege that allows an independent
>> group to officially use the Wikimedia trademarks to further the Wikimedia
>> mission. To receive and maintain their status as recognized Wikimedia
>> affiliates, groups are required to comply with certain requirements, which
>> are identified in each group's individual chapter, thematic organization,
>> or user group agreement.  In particular, the terms of the Wikimedia User
>> Group Agreement and Code of Conduct prohibit user groups from engaging in
>> activity that poses significant risk to other Wikimedia organizations or
>> Wikimedia projects.
>>
>> As many of you doubtlessly know, the two Wikimedia user groups based in
>> Brazil — Wikimedia Community User Group Brasil and Wiki Education Brazil —
>> have been engaged in a severe and protracted conflict, which has resulted
>> in significant harm to past, ongoing, and planned Wikimedia movement
>> activities in Brazil.  As all reasonable attempts to resolve the conflict
>> have failed, the Affiliations Committee is left with no choice but to
>> withdraw the groups' recognition as Wikimedia affiliates.
>>
>> Consequently, the recognition of Wikimedia Community User Group Brasil and
>> Wiki Education Brazil as Wikimedia user groups has been revoked, and the
>> Wikimedia Foundation's legal department has been requested to formally
>> terminate their respective user group agreements as soon as practicable.
>> Further, the specific individuals who served as the primary contacts for
>> these user groups will be prohibited from serving as primary contacts for
>> any user group application or existing user group for a period of one
>> year.
>>
>> The Affiliations Committee recognizes that this is an unprecedented and
>> unfortunate development. However, we hope that this step will allow the
>> Wikimedia community in Brazil to work towards a new organizational
>> structure and model that will better serve the needs of movement
>> participants and stakeholders in the country.
>>
>> Any questions regarding this matter should be addressed directly to the
>> Affiliations Committee.
>>
>> Regards,
>> Kirill Lokshin
>> Chair, Affiliations Committee
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Re: [Wikimedia-l] De-recognition of Wikimedia user groups in Brazil

[Mardetanha]

I wonder if we could turn this to one learning pattern, from what went
wrong at first place and what solution you propose to solve it. I think it
would help a lot of projects if we could learn from each other's mistake.

Mardetanha

On Mon, Apr 9, 2018 at 1:22 AM, Lucas Teles  wrote:

> That’s very unexpected. I actually have been trying to talk with WMF plenty
> of times and waiting and waiting for a word from you. Though you probably
> received lots of emails from me and others, I don’t think I have a single
> email from you guys about this in my inbox
>
> I have literally implored you to provide me and answer for a few cases
> opened has been a while in order to have any instruction or advice on how
> to act in many situations. But that never came.
>
> This is probably the first time I hear from you, Kirill, and I respectfully
> disagree that one can consider that you did well on it. You just let it all
> happen and watched this escalate without any help. We were working on our
> mistakes, we were building our code of conduct, accepted mediation with
> Millos and others, but the feeling is that we were totally alone on that.
> Sadly, your actions were always directed to both groups as if you were
> avoiding to take any side or decision, like you are doing now, taking a
> general action and not addressing any issue specifically.
>
> I hope this change is for the best, but also hope that you can recognize
> your own mistakes here as others from WMF did. Just like I don’t think we
> did well every single moment and try to learn from it, you can’t really
> believe that you did a good job here. If you do (and that is the impression
> we have from your message), that is worrying. Then again, I hear from you,
> after so much time of silence and what I hear is punishment. You can’t
> probably think that you are being any educational on the matter. Sorry if
> there is any harsh word above, but that is sincerely unintentional.
>
> Have a good day.
>
> Teles
>
>
> Em dom, 8 de abr de 2018 às 16:32, Vi to 
> escreveu:
>
> > Sad outcome though fair, reasonable and expected.
> > I hope some new group will arise from these ruins.
> >
> > Vito
> >
> > 2018-04-08 20:19 GMT+02:00 Kirill Lokshin :
> >
> > > Hello everyone,
> > >
> > > Recognition as a Wikimedia movement affiliate — a chapter, thematic
> > > organization, or user group — is a privilege that allows an independent
> > > group to officially use the Wikimedia trademarks to further the
> Wikimedia
> > > mission. To receive and maintain their status as recognized Wikimedia
> > > affiliates, groups are required to comply with certain requirements,
> > which
> > > are identified in each group's individual chapter, thematic
> organization,
> > > or user group agreement.  In particular, the terms of the Wikimedia
> User
> > > Group Agreement and Code of Conduct prohibit user groups from engaging
> in
> > > activity that poses significant risk to other Wikimedia organizations
> or
> > > Wikimedia projects.
> > >
> > > As many of you doubtlessly know, the two Wikimedia user groups based in
> > > Brazil — Wikimedia Community User Group Brasil and Wiki Education
> Brazil
> > —
> > > have been engaged in a severe and protracted conflict, which has
> resulted
> > > in significant harm to past, ongoing, and planned Wikimedia movement
> > > activities in Brazil.  As all reasonable attempts to resolve the
> conflict
> > > have failed, the Affiliations Committee is left with no choice but to
> > > withdraw the groups' recognition as Wikimedia affiliates.
> > >
> > > Consequently, the recognition of Wikimedia Community User Group Brasil
> > and
> > > Wiki Education Brazil as Wikimedia user groups has been revoked, and
> the
> > > Wikimedia Foundation's legal department has been requested to formally
> > > terminate their respective user group agreements as soon as
> practicable.
> > > Further, the specific individuals who served as the primary contacts
> for
> > > these user groups will be prohibited from serving as primary contacts
> for
> > > any user group application or existing user group for a period of one
> > year.
> > >
> > > The Affiliations Committee recognizes that this is an unprecedented and
> > > unfortunate development. However, we hope that this step will allow the
> > > Wikimedia community in Brazil to work towards a new organizational
> > > structure and model that will better serve the needs of movement
> > > participants and stakeholders in the country.
> > >
> > > Any questions regarding this matter should be addressed directly to the
> > > Affiliations Committee.
> > >
> > > Regards,
> > > Kirill Lokshin
> > > Chair, Affiliations Committee
> > > ___
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[Wikimedia-l] ما الذي يمنحك السعادة هذا الأسبوع؟ / What's making you happy this week? (Week of 8 April 2018)

[Pine W]

*Wikipedia humor*

Here is an amusing meme from Wikimedia UK employee Stuart Prior. You may
want to zoom in on the image so that you can read the text.

https://twitter.com/wikimediauk/status/981889915217698816


*Enterprise MediaWiki Conference*

Here are photos and video recordings from the 2018 Enterprise MediaWiki
Conference, including photos of a visit to NASA's Johnson Space Center
:

* https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/EMWCon_Spring_2018

* https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Category:EMWCon_Spring_2018


*From the WMF Blog*:

* "Join the Wikimedia Foundation as an Open Web Fellow"
https://blog.wikimedia.org/2018/04/04/open-web-fellow/

* "The Initiative for Open Citations celebrates its first birthday"
https://blog.wikimedia.org/2018/04/02/initiative-for-open-citations-birthday/


*A note of gratitude*:

I would like to express gratitude to Tighe Flanagan
, WMF's Wikipedia
Education Program Senior Manager, who announced

his upcoming departure from WMF. Tighe was the WMF liaison to education
programs in Africa and the Middle East. In 2014 I interviewed him for the
second part of a *Signpost *article which is available here
.
He has a volunteer Wikimedia account, User:Tighef
, from which we might continue
to see him contribute. أشكركم على خدمتكم.


What's making you happy this week? You are welcome to comment in any
language.


Pine
( https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/User:Pine )
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Re: [Wikimedia-l] De-recognition of Wikimedia user groups in Brazil

[Lucas Teles]

That’s very unexpected. I actually have been trying to talk with WMF plenty
of times and waiting and waiting for a word from you. Though you probably
received lots of emails from me and others, I don’t think I have a single
email from you guys about this in my inbox

I have literally implored you to provide me and answer for a few cases
opened has been a while in order to have any instruction or advice on how
to act in many situations. But that never came.

This is probably the first time I hear from you, Kirill, and I respectfully
disagree that one can consider that you did well on it. You just let it all
happen and watched this escalate without any help. We were working on our
mistakes, we were building our code of conduct, accepted mediation with
Millos and others, but the feeling is that we were totally alone on that.
Sadly, your actions were always directed to both groups as if you were
avoiding to take any side or decision, like you are doing now, taking a
general action and not addressing any issue specifically.

I hope this change is for the best, but also hope that you can recognize
your own mistakes here as others from WMF did. Just like I don’t think we
did well every single moment and try to learn from it, you can’t really
believe that you did a good job here. If you do (and that is the impression
we have from your message), that is worrying. Then again, I hear from you,
after so much time of silence and what I hear is punishment. You can’t
probably think that you are being any educational on the matter. Sorry if
there is any harsh word above, but that is sincerely unintentional.

Have a good day.

Teles


Em dom, 8 de abr de 2018 às 16:32, Vi to  escreveu:

> Sad outcome though fair, reasonable and expected.
> I hope some new group will arise from these ruins.
>
> Vito
>
> 2018-04-08 20:19 GMT+02:00 Kirill Lokshin :
>
> > Hello everyone,
> >
> > Recognition as a Wikimedia movement affiliate — a chapter, thematic
> > organization, or user group — is a privilege that allows an independent
> > group to officially use the Wikimedia trademarks to further the Wikimedia
> > mission. To receive and maintain their status as recognized Wikimedia
> > affiliates, groups are required to comply with certain requirements,
> which
> > are identified in each group's individual chapter, thematic organization,
> > or user group agreement.  In particular, the terms of the Wikimedia User
> > Group Agreement and Code of Conduct prohibit user groups from engaging in
> > activity that poses significant risk to other Wikimedia organizations or
> > Wikimedia projects.
> >
> > As many of you doubtlessly know, the two Wikimedia user groups based in
> > Brazil — Wikimedia Community User Group Brasil and Wiki Education Brazil
> —
> > have been engaged in a severe and protracted conflict, which has resulted
> > in significant harm to past, ongoing, and planned Wikimedia movement
> > activities in Brazil.  As all reasonable attempts to resolve the conflict
> > have failed, the Affiliations Committee is left with no choice but to
> > withdraw the groups' recognition as Wikimedia affiliates.
> >
> > Consequently, the recognition of Wikimedia Community User Group Brasil
> and
> > Wiki Education Brazil as Wikimedia user groups has been revoked, and the
> > Wikimedia Foundation's legal department has been requested to formally
> > terminate their respective user group agreements as soon as practicable.
> > Further, the specific individuals who served as the primary contacts for
> > these user groups will be prohibited from serving as primary contacts for
> > any user group application or existing user group for a period of one
> year.
> >
> > The Affiliations Committee recognizes that this is an unprecedented and
> > unfortunate development. However, we hope that this step will allow the
> > Wikimedia community in Brazil to work towards a new organizational
> > structure and model that will better serve the needs of movement
> > participants and stakeholders in the country.
> >
> > Any questions regarding this matter should be addressed directly to the
> > Affiliations Committee.
> >
> > Regards,
> > Kirill Lokshin
> > Chair, Affiliations Committee
> > ___
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Re: [Wikimedia-l] De-recognition of Wikimedia user groups in Brazil

[Vi to]

Sad outcome though fair, reasonable and expected.
I hope some new group will arise from these ruins.

Vito

2018-04-08 20:19 GMT+02:00 Kirill Lokshin :

> Hello everyone,
>
> Recognition as a Wikimedia movement affiliate — a chapter, thematic
> organization, or user group — is a privilege that allows an independent
> group to officially use the Wikimedia trademarks to further the Wikimedia
> mission. To receive and maintain their status as recognized Wikimedia
> affiliates, groups are required to comply with certain requirements, which
> are identified in each group's individual chapter, thematic organization,
> or user group agreement.  In particular, the terms of the Wikimedia User
> Group Agreement and Code of Conduct prohibit user groups from engaging in
> activity that poses significant risk to other Wikimedia organizations or
> Wikimedia projects.
>
> As many of you doubtlessly know, the two Wikimedia user groups based in
> Brazil — Wikimedia Community User Group Brasil and Wiki Education Brazil —
> have been engaged in a severe and protracted conflict, which has resulted
> in significant harm to past, ongoing, and planned Wikimedia movement
> activities in Brazil.  As all reasonable attempts to resolve the conflict
> have failed, the Affiliations Committee is left with no choice but to
> withdraw the groups' recognition as Wikimedia affiliates.
>
> Consequently, the recognition of Wikimedia Community User Group Brasil and
> Wiki Education Brazil as Wikimedia user groups has been revoked, and the
> Wikimedia Foundation's legal department has been requested to formally
> terminate their respective user group agreements as soon as practicable.
> Further, the specific individuals who served as the primary contacts for
> these user groups will be prohibited from serving as primary contacts for
> any user group application or existing user group for a period of one year.
>
> The Affiliations Committee recognizes that this is an unprecedented and
> unfortunate development. However, we hope that this step will allow the
> Wikimedia community in Brazil to work towards a new organizational
> structure and model that will better serve the needs of movement
> participants and stakeholders in the country.
>
> Any questions regarding this matter should be addressed directly to the
> Affiliations Committee.
>
> Regards,
> Kirill Lokshin
> Chair, Affiliations Committee
> ___
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[Wikimedia-l] De-recognition of Wikimedia user groups in Brazil

[Kirill Lokshin]

Hello everyone,

Recognition as a Wikimedia movement affiliate — a chapter, thematic
organization, or user group — is a privilege that allows an independent
group to officially use the Wikimedia trademarks to further the Wikimedia
mission. To receive and maintain their status as recognized Wikimedia
affiliates, groups are required to comply with certain requirements, which
are identified in each group's individual chapter, thematic organization,
or user group agreement.  In particular, the terms of the Wikimedia User
Group Agreement and Code of Conduct prohibit user groups from engaging in
activity that poses significant risk to other Wikimedia organizations or
Wikimedia projects.

As many of you doubtlessly know, the two Wikimedia user groups based in
Brazil — Wikimedia Community User Group Brasil and Wiki Education Brazil —
have been engaged in a severe and protracted conflict, which has resulted
in significant harm to past, ongoing, and planned Wikimedia movement
activities in Brazil.  As all reasonable attempts to resolve the conflict
have failed, the Affiliations Committee is left with no choice but to
withdraw the groups' recognition as Wikimedia affiliates.

Consequently, the recognition of Wikimedia Community User Group Brasil and
Wiki Education Brazil as Wikimedia user groups has been revoked, and the
Wikimedia Foundation's legal department has been requested to formally
terminate their respective user group agreements as soon as practicable.
Further, the specific individuals who served as the primary contacts for
these user groups will be prohibited from serving as primary contacts for
any user group application or existing user group for a period of one year.

The Affiliations Committee recognizes that this is an unprecedented and
unfortunate development. However, we hope that this step will allow the
Wikimedia community in Brazil to work towards a new organizational
structure and model that will better serve the needs of movement
participants and stakeholders in the country.

Any questions regarding this matter should be addressed directly to the
Affiliations Committee.

Regards,
Kirill Lokshin
Chair, Affiliations Committee
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