Re: [Wikimediaau-l] Australian Higher Education Supplement today - Wikipedia story

[larsen.thomas.h]

Hi all,

Personally, I now consider myself a critic of Wikipedia, and I no
longer support the project. (Do not take this to mean, however, that I
do not support the wiki model or some sectors of Wikipedia; I do.) The
article written in AHES, though, seemed inaccurate on a few
points—most obviously, perhaps, the statement that "[certain
controversial pages will need to be] ... scrutinised by arbitrators
chosen from Wikipedia's most active volunteer contributors". The
wording is badly chosen, and creates a false impression of an elite
group of arbitrators.

In fact, it's more likely to be a group of long-standing pseudonymous
editors, most of them high-school and undergraduate students, who
determine what is included and what is not included in Wikipedia. I
personally support Flagged Revisions—_if_, and only _if_, those people
actually reviewing diffs are accountable to the community and to the
public and are at least minimally mature.

—Thomas Larsen

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Re: [Wikimediaau-l] Australian Higher Education Supplement today - Wikipedia story

[YellowMonkey]

oh, that guy, ah yes, the block regarding his article

A fashion writer.


On Wed, Feb 11, 2009 at 3:18 PM, Stephen Bain wrote:

> 2009/2/11 Kimberlee Weatherall :
> > Rather negative Wikipedia story in The Australian higher education
> > supplement (page 1, also here:
> >
> http://www.theaustralian.news.com.au/story/0,25197,25037270-12332,00.html
> ).
>
> At least they edited out the glaring error in the original Sunday
> Times copy (that there was vandalism about the author in the Wikipedia
> article on him; in fact at the time no such article existed).
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Re: [Wikimediaau-l] Australian Higher Education Supplement today - Wikipedia story

[Stephen Bain]

2009/2/11 Kimberlee Weatherall :
> Rather negative Wikipedia story in The Australian higher education
> supplement (page 1, also here:
> http://www.theaustralian.news.com.au/story/0,25197,25037270-12332,00.html).

At least they edited out the glaring error in the original Sunday
Times copy (that there was vandalism about the author in the Wikipedia
article on him; in fact at the time no such article existed).

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Re: [Wikimediaau-l] Australian Higher Education Supplement today - Wikipedia story

[YellowMonkey]

Is the Sunday Times, of the "Times" of UK?

One of their journos bludged his Keith Miller blog post off my article about
Miller.

On Wed, Feb 11, 2009 at 3:10 PM, YellowMonkey wrote:

> I think that if people read the article (and haven't already made up their
> mind) then they will notice the pundit has already made up his mind before
> he did the interview...
>
> 2009/2/11 Kimberlee Weatherall 
>
>>  Rather negative Wikipedia story in *The Australian *higher education
>> supplement (page 1, also here:
>> http://www.theaustralian.news.com.au/story/0,25197,25037270-12332,00.html
>> ).
>>
>>
>>
>> Kim
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> Kimberlee Weatherall
>>
>> Senior Lecturer
>>
>> TC Beirne School of Law
>>
>> The University of Queensland
>>
>> St Lucia, Queensland, 4072
>>
>> Work Telephone: +61 7 3346 7503
>>
>> Mobile: +61 403 762 544
>>
>>
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Re: [Wikimediaau-l] Australian Higher Education Supplement today - Wikipedia story

[YellowMonkey]

I think that if people read the article (and haven't already made up their
mind) then they will notice the pundit has already made up his mind before
he did the interview...

2009/2/11 Kimberlee Weatherall 

>  Rather negative Wikipedia story in *The Australian *higher education
> supplement (page 1, also here:
> http://www.theaustralian.news.com.au/story/0,25197,25037270-12332,00.html
> ).
>
>
>
> Kim
>
>
>
>
>
> Kimberlee Weatherall
>
> Senior Lecturer
>
> TC Beirne School of Law
>
> The University of Queensland
>
> St Lucia, Queensland, 4072
>
> Work Telephone: +61 7 3346 7503
>
> Mobile: +61 403 762 544
>
>
>
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[Wikimediaau-l] Australian Higher Education Supplement today - Wikipedia story

[Kimberlee Weatherall]

Rather negative Wikipedia story in The Australian higher education
supplement (page 1, also here:
http://www.theaustralian.news.com.au/story/0,25197,25037270-12332,00.htm
l).

 

Kim

 

 

Kimberlee Weatherall

Senior Lecturer

TC Beirne School of Law

The University of Queensland

St Lucia, Queensland, 4072

Work Telephone: +61 7 3346 7503

Mobile: +61 403 762 544

 

 

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Re: [Wikimediaau-l] Pd-Australia

[Gnangarra]

Under the FTA copyright in the US is extinguished if the copyright in the
originating country was already extinguished at the time of FTA being
implimented

2009/2/11 Stephen Bain 

> 2009/2/10 Liam Wyatt :
> >
> > According to the reading by the Copyright Council of Australia (who are
> the
> > most conservative in these matters) the rules are that the image is PD if
> > the photographer *died* before 1955 - not whether the photograph was
> > *published* before 1955. So, in the case of Anon photographers this gets
> > even trickier.
> > http://www.copyright.org.au/information/introduction/intro-5.htm
>
> Photos are a special case. Prior to the FTA changes, the rule was 50
> years after the photo was *taken*. Any photo taken in Australia before
> 1 Jan 1955 is in the public domain in Australia.
>
> After the FTA changes, the rule became life of the author plus 70,
> just like for other types of works. This applies to any photo taken
> after 1 Jan 2005, or any photo still in copyright as at 1 Jan 2005.
>
> That's only Australian copyright though, things can be under copyright
> still in the US even if they are out of copyright elsewhere, thanks to
> stupid American copyright law.
>
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Re: [Wikimediaau-l] Chapters meeting

[Sarah Ewart]

2009/2/11 Liam Wyatt 

> we've said that we're requesting a spot for the Prez, and that in the event
> that there is funding and all the stars align then we'd like to send the
> Vice Prez too. There is discussion about whether 1 or 2 people from the
> various chapters will be going but I think it unlikely given the costs -
> especially for WM-Au.
>
> We've not discussed fundraising or the allocation of funds to this as yet.
>

Yes, I don't think there's much hope for us getting two funded spots,
especially because our costs are so expensive -  several times the costs of
the other chapters. Also, I felt it was made quite clear in the chapters-l
discussions that they really only wanted one person from each chapter and
were discouraging chapters sending more than one person as they were
concerned about the numbers as well as costs. But we can always hope. :)
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Re: [Wikimediaau-l] Chapters meeting

[Liam Wyatt]

we've said that we're requesting a spot for the Prez, and that in the event
that there is funding and all the stars align then we'd like to send the
Vice Prez too. There is discussion about whether 1 or 2 people from the
various chapters will be going but I think it unlikely given the costs -
especially for WM-Au.

We've not discussed fundraising or the allocation of funds to this as yet.

-Liam

On 2/11/09, private musings  wrote:
>
> coolio! - I'd missed the detail in the minutes (sorry);
>
> http://wikimedia.org.au/wiki/Meeting:Committee_(2009_January_15)
>
> - is there any call for a bit of AU fundraising at this stage? - the
> minutes indicate we've requested subsidy, and presumably the WMF and the
> German Chapter are kicking in with some financial support - is this covering
> enough? - Presumably those interested in bringing Wikimania to these shores
> are aware of how useful some 'face time' might be with various chapter types
> - and I wonder if we've considered sending our VP along too? (if he's
> available, for example?)
>
> cheers,
>
> Peter,
> PM.
>
> 2009/2/11 Sarah Ewart 
>
>>
>>
>> 2009/2/11 private musings 
>>
>>> G'day all,
>>>
>>> I just thought I'd ask the committee (and anyone else) if they've heard
>>> anything about possible attendance at an 'all chapters' meeting in
>>> Berlin in April... in particular if fund-raising is being considered, or
>>> maybe just to check that we're 'on the radar' down here :-)
>>>
>>
>> Yes, it was mentioned in the minutes I posted last week. Brianna, as
>> President, will be going to represent us and we have requested funding.
>>
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Re: [Wikimediaau-l] Chapters meeting

[private musings]

coolio! - I'd missed the detail in the minutes (sorry);

http://wikimedia.org.au/wiki/Meeting:Committee_(2009_January_15)

- is there any call for a bit of AU fundraising at this stage? - the minutes
indicate we've requested subsidy, and presumably the WMF and the German
Chapter are kicking in with some financial support - is this covering
enough? - Presumably those interested in bringing Wikimania to these shores
are aware of how useful some 'face time' might be with various chapter types
- and I wonder if we've considered sending our VP along too? (if he's
available, for example?)

cheers,

Peter,
PM.

2009/2/11 Sarah Ewart 

>
>
> 2009/2/11 private musings 
>
>> G'day all,
>>
>> I just thought I'd ask the committee (and anyone else) if they've heard
>> anything about possible attendance at an 'all chapters' meeting in Berlin
>> in April... in particular if fund-raising is being considered, or maybe just
>> to check that we're 'on the radar' down here :-)
>>
>
> Yes, it was mentioned in the minutes I posted last week. Brianna, as
> President, will be going to represent us and we have requested funding.
>
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Re: [Wikimediaau-l] Chapters meeting

[Sarah Ewart]

2009/2/11 private musings 

> G'day all,
>
> I just thought I'd ask the committee (and anyone else) if they've heard
> anything about possible attendance at an 'all chapters' meeting in Berlin
> in April... in particular if fund-raising is being considered, or maybe just
> to check that we're 'on the radar' down here :-)
>

Yes, it was mentioned in the minutes I posted last week. Brianna, as
President, will be going to represent us and we have requested funding.
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Re: [Wikimediaau-l] Pd-Australia

[Stephen Bain]

2009/2/10 Liam Wyatt :
>
> According to the reading by the Copyright Council of Australia (who are the
> most conservative in these matters) the rules are that the image is PD if
> the photographer *died* before 1955 - not whether the photograph was
> *published* before 1955. So, in the case of Anon photographers this gets
> even trickier.
> http://www.copyright.org.au/information/introduction/intro-5.htm

Photos are a special case. Prior to the FTA changes, the rule was 50
years after the photo was *taken*. Any photo taken in Australia before
1 Jan 1955 is in the public domain in Australia.

After the FTA changes, the rule became life of the author plus 70,
just like for other types of works. This applies to any photo taken
after 1 Jan 2005, or any photo still in copyright as at 1 Jan 2005.

That's only Australian copyright though, things can be under copyright
still in the US even if they are out of copyright elsewhere, thanks to
stupid American copyright law.

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[Wikimediaau-l] Chapters meeting

[private musings]

G'day all,

I just thought I'd ask the committee (and anyone else) if they've heard
anything about possible attendance at an 'all chapters' meeting in Berlin in
April... in particular if fund-raising is being considered, or maybe just to
check that we're 'on the radar' down here :-)

cheers.

Peter.
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Re: [Wikimediaau-l] Pd-Australia

[Gnangarra]

The duration of copyright in photographs was significantly extended as a
result of implementing Australia's
obligations under the AUSFTA. This made protection for photographs
consistent with protection for other types of
artistic works. For photographs in which copyrights still subsisted on 1
January 2005, or which are created on or
after that date, copyright lasts until 70 years from the end of the year in
which the photographer died.

Prior to this phototgraphs were PD after 50 years they were taken not after
the death of the photographer,

Painting etc have always been after the artists death, there was a window of
opportunity to copyrighted works in other countries that werent covered by
US copyright that the owner could register the work in the US and get
copyright reinstate in the US though it *did not & could not *be applied if
copyright had been extinguished in the originating country, the target group
of works for this was some cinamatic and all music where copyright in the US
was 20-25 years for foreign works, though it could have been applied to
photographs I havent seen any images that have been registered..

It is common practise for Australian institutions to claim copyright on PD
images where they dont actually have that right but they can reasonable
expect a fee for providing high quality large format copies for reuse so I
presume they use the copyright claim as the way of ensuring they get the
fee.

The image is already used in the FA
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Donald_Bradman and was on the main page
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Today%27s_featured_article/August_27,_2008I'd
say theres very little doubt given the scrutiny and usage that the
image
has already had in the last 6 months that its PD


2009/2/10 Liam Wyatt 

> Oh I hate this stuff
>
> According to the reading by the Copyright Council of Australia (who are the
> most conservative in these matters) the rules are that the image is PD if
> the photographer *died* before 1955 - not whether the photograph was
> *published* before 1955. So, in the case of Anon photographers this gets
> even trickier.
> http://www.copyright.org.au/information/introduction/intro-5.htm
>
> I don't know if we want to take their advice, but on that reading it is
> *likely* that a 1946 photographer probably lived 'till 1955 and therefore
> the image is *likely* still copyrighted. However, this is NOT the practice
> on WP to-date and it is not an uncontested reading.
>
> -Liam
>
> On 2/10/09, YellowMonkey  wrote:
>
>> Can anyone who understands PD-Australia look at
>>
>>
>> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Featured_article_candidates/Donald_Bradman_with_the_Australian_cricket_team_in_England_in_1948
>>
>> please
>>
>> The 1955 rule seems to being challenged again
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